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From: Johannes von Ebersdorf 
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On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:54:07 -0500, Gord McFee 
wrote:

>On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:36:25 -0500, in
><23adq4lakd1vsetj21jnrvtrra1edcdrfe@4ax.com>, Johannes von Ebersdorf
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:29:42 -0500, Gord McFee 
>> wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>> >> Besides, there isn't much point to giving German-language sources to 
>> >> this illiterate clown. It would just be a waste of my time. The
>> >> timing of both laws is a matter of public record, as are the gross
>> >> allied excesses in postwar Germany. People were sick and tired of
>> >> being exposed to allied caprice and of having no rights in their own 
>> >> country.
>> >
>> >Then why are you terrified to post the German language sources?
>> 
>> I'm not terrified of anything.
>
>You are terrified to post the German language sources that you claim
>exist.  Of course, we know why that is.  They don't exist.

Yawn.

>> I just have better ways to spend my
>> time than scanning book pages that will simply be snipped or rejected
>> by opponents who are after all here to disrupt, and not to discuss
>> anything. Everything I have said is a matter of public record, so you
>> are free to do your own searching. Try to use original sources rather
>> than the dreck from nizkor.
>
>Evasion noted.


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On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:28:16 -0500, Gord McFee 
wrote:

>On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:07:34 +1000, in
>, "B. Cramer"
> wrote:
>
>> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message 
>> news:obopl.230315$9i5.64579@en-nntp-07.dc1.easynews.com...
>> > On 2/22/2009 9:45 PM, Patrick Keenan wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Neil Harrington"  wrote in message 
>> >> news:BaadnZjXj98zEDzUnZ2dnUVZ_sninZ2d@giganews.com...
>> >>> Gord McFee wrote:
>> >>>> On 2/20/2009 12:59 PM, Neil Harrington wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> "Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message 
>> >>>>> news:TvSdnbXWv6QR7wHUnZ2dnUVZ_j-WnZ2d@supernews.com...
>> >>>>>> "Neil Harrington"  wrote in message 
>> >>>>>> news:GPudnc-DKMloiAHUnZ2dnUVZ_gCWnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> >>>>>>> "Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message 
>> >>>>>>> news:BMydnd0q6pq8kgbUnZ2dnUVZ_qHinZ2d@supernews.com...
>> >>>>>>>> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message 
>> >>>>>>>> news:gt5kp4930smol8nuhemehabgrhls46kamu@4ax.com...
>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:52:17 -0500, in 
>> >>>>>>>>> , "Neil Harrington" 
>> >>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Gord McFee wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2/15/2009 1:45 PM, in 
>> >>>>>>>>>>> ,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Neil Harrington wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Gord McFee"  wrote in
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> message news:40lgp41s1rn8ibtbiaiqj36k8vnpfhrp8b@4ax.com...
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:00:36 +1000, in 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "B. Cramer" 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Gord McFee"  wrote in
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> message 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:NYLll.266249$NN4.48494@en-nntp-08.dc1.easynews.com...
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/14/2009 9:34 PM, B. Cramer wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did he elaborate on the "danger" Zundel
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posed?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes.  In the section below that you
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignored.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't ignore it. There is nothing of any
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequence there which would lead me to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> think Zundel was a threat to Canadian
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> society.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You ignored it because it does exactly what you
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> say it doesn't. It explains why Mr Justice
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Blais found that Zündel was a "threat to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Canada's national security".
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Amongst others:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> - his support of right-wing extremism
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Is "right-wing extremism" a real threat in
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Canada? What have "right-wing extremists" done
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> there, for example, that had any connection with
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Zundel?
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ask the judge, Neil.  He wrote the decision and had
>> >>>>>>>>>>> the evidence.
>> >>>>>>>>>> And you're perfectly willing to accept that that list
>> >>>>>>>>>> of vague, non-specific accusations and insinuations
>> >>>>>>>>>> was enough to throw Zundel in prison -- and solitary
>> >>>>>>>>>> confinement at that -- for about two years.
>> >>>>>>>>> That list, that was not vague and was quite sepcifi9c,
>> >>>>>>>>> had nothing to do with his being in jail for two years.
>> >>>>>>>>> He was in jail because he refused to give up his claim
>> >>>>>>>>> of refugee status, although he had lived in Canada for
>> >>>>>>>>> almost 50 years.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> To an American, that seems extraordinarily harsh to
>> >>>>>>>>>> say the least. What you have there sounds more like
>> >>>>>>>>>> the classic communist system of "criminal justice"
>> >>>>>>>>>> than the way such things are done in North America.
>> >>>>>>>>> Then you don't understand, or refuse to try to
>> >>>>>>>>> understand, the facts.
>> >>>>>>>> One notes that the US treats refugee claimants in
>> >>>>>>>> *exactly the same way*.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> The way it's done in Canada *is* the way it's done
>> >>>>>>>> throughout North America.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> This is just an example of Mr. Harrington's ignorance of
>> >>>>>>>> his own country's practices and history.
>> >>>>>>> Please provide just one example of an alien who had lived a
>> >>>>>>>  peaceful, law-abiding life in this country for 40 years,
>> >>>>>>> left it temporarily, and then was thrown into prison
>> >>>>>>> (solitary confinement at that) simply for returning to it.
>> >>>>>> Do you have a cognitive disability?   Is that why you don't 
>> >>>>>> understand what was written, or are you just pretending?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Your example does not describe Zundel's circumstance.
>> >>>>> He didn't live in Canada for 40 years?
>> >>>> No.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> He didn't leave it temporarily?
>> >>>> No.  He said he was leaving forever.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> He wasn't thrown in prison for returning to it?
>> >>>> No.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> See how easy this is?
>> >>> Yes indeed, replying "No" to everything must be one of the easiest
>> >>> things there is.
>> >>
>> >> Especially when that's all it takes to communicate the truth.
>> >>
>> >> You did, after all, phrase your questions in a yes/no format, so why
>> >>  complain when you get what you requested?
>> >
>> > That's easy.  He didn't realize the answers would be "no", so he is
>> > trying to deflect attention away from it.
>> 
>> Silly old fart. That's a keenan tactic.
>
>Funny.  Keenan is wiping the floor with you bunch.

What have you been drinking. Keenan is a clueless jackass whose
ignorance would fill huge libraries.



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On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 04:49:25 -0800 (PST), CLAUS VON STAUFFENBERG
 wrote:

>On 25 Feb, 10:07, Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>> On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:20:36 -0800 (PST), Chris Larson
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Feb 23, 8:21 pm, "Kurt Knoll"  wrote:
>> >> "I'll Always Be 23-02-09"  wrote in messagenews:Xns9BBBB21A468E4Theonlyonethatcares@87.106.137.111...
>>
>> >> > StarDust  wrote in news:57bbd6df-e4da-4c2b-a00e-
>> >> > 228efa9d9...@l39g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> >> >> On Feb 23, 8:10 am, "Chris C. Larson" 
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>> Another nail in the coffin has been driven against denier's Holocaust
>> >> >>> arguments. For those of you who missed this last
>> >> > night,http://www.youtube
>> >> >> .com/watch?v=i3cxZtVYvuI
>>
>> >> >>> Shall we turn to "Holocaust Scholar" Mark Weber for a rebuttal????
>>
>> >> >> Did he live with the  wolfs, that's how he survived?
>>
>> >> > No, don't you understand the English language
>>
>> >> >> or
>> >> >> In this ABC News interview, Herman Rosenblatt explains why he lied
>> >> >> about his experiences as a concentration camp inmate during World War
>> >> >> II.
>>
>> >> > But he isn't Herman Rosenblatt...and the nazi's documented his story.
>>
>> >> How is your friend Benjamin Wilkomirsky. Any more new stories let us know we
>> >> all will be very exited.
>> >> Kurt Knoll
>>
>> >I've never heard of Benjamin Wilkomirsky. I doubt no one else has
>> >either.
>>
>> It would seem that you're not as much an expert on that period of
>> history as you like to imagine.
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>yur a bozo. It must piss you off that ICQ has block you on your very
>own bored. hahahahahahahaha
>
>doesn't matter if you delete this thread cause it can be read  on FOS
>where people don't delete stuff they don't like,, like your bullshit
>posts. ;-))))
>
>OH and,, have you ever thought that ICQ is even worse tha ever because
>you are on it??? ;-))) You dumber than dogshit bozo.

What are you babbling about "truecristian"?



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On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:01:20 -0500, Gord McFee 
wrote:

>On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 10:09:10 -0500, in
>, Johannes von Ebersdorf
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:54:07 -0500, Gord McFee 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:36:25 -0500, in
>> ><23adq4lakd1vsetj21jnrvtrra1edcdrfe@4ax.com>, Johannes von Ebersdorf
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:29:42 -0500, Gord McFee 
>> >> wrote:
>> >
>> >[...]
>> >
>> >> >> Besides, there isn't much point to giving German-language sources to 
>> >> >> this illiterate clown. It would just be a waste of my time. The
>> >> >> timing of both laws is a matter of public record, as are the gross
>> >> >> allied excesses in postwar Germany. People were sick and tired of
>> >> >> being exposed to allied caprice and of having no rights in their own 
>> >> >> country.
>> >> >
>> >> >Then why are you terrified to post the German language sources?
>> >> 
>> >> I'm not terrified of anything.
>> >
>> >You are terrified to post the German language sources that you claim
>> >exist.  Of course, we know why that is.  They don't exist.
>> 
>> Yawn.
>
>Like I said.  Thanks for providing the proof that your assertions are
>not supported by fact.

I don't care what you believe. I'm not involved in a debate with you.
I know what I have said and written is true, and that is ultimately
all that matters. Your belief or non-belief is irrelevant.

If you disagree that the earth orbits the sun for example, it makes no
difference. The earth orbits the sun regardless of your protestations
and rhetoric. It is the same with the various historical topics
discussed here. The people to whom I'm speaking have enough knowledge
to know that what I said was true.

>
>> >> I just have better ways to spend my
>> >> time than scanning book pages that will simply be snipped or rejected
>> >> by opponents who are after all here to disrupt, and not to discuss
>> >> anything. Everything I have said is a matter of public record, so you
>> >> are free to do your own searching. Try to use original sources rather
>> >> than the dreck from nizkor.
>> >
>> >Evasion noted.
>
>Evasion noted again.


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On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 15:49:22 -0500, Gord McFee 
wrote:

>On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 10:10:42 -0500, in
><4a9lq41do3bcbp91ocma0bt3k3cum6s0pr@4ax.com>, Johannes von Ebersdorf
> wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>> >Funny.  Keenan is wiping the floor with you bunch.
>> 
>> What have you been drinking. Keenan is a clueless jackass whose
>> ignorance would fill huge libraries.
>
>Ah yes, you are also terrified of him.

LOL

Really? I laugh at him, but why should I be afraid?



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On Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:41:38 +1000, "B. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Gord McFee"  wrote in message 
>news:06tlq4hsbv3bhupnj1qsrmbb6ckq3i015g@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 10:10:42 -0500, in
>> <4a9lq41do3bcbp91ocma0bt3k3cum6s0pr@4ax.com>, Johannes von Ebersdorf
>>  wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> >Funny.  Keenan is wiping the floor with you bunch.
>>>
>>> What have you been drinking. Keenan is a clueless jackass whose
>>> ignorance would fill huge libraries.
>>
>> Ah yes, you are also terrified of him.
>
>Shut up, gourd. You're making a total fool of yourself.
>
>Keenan is a deceitful, lying turd. All but you seem to acknowledge that.

That is probably an undeserved insult to turds. Turds serve a useful
function, whereas Keenan is totally 100.0% useless.


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>>
>> -- 
>> Gord McFee
>> I'll write no line before its time
>>
>> Visit the Holocaust History Project
>> http://www.holocaust-history.org
>> 


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On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 21:44:57 -0500, Gord McFee 
wrote:

>On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 22:27:27 -0500, in
>, Johannes von Ebersdorf
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:01:20 -0500, Gord McFee 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 10:09:10 -0500, in
>> >, Johannes von Ebersdorf
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:54:07 -0500, Gord McFee 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> >On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:36:25 -0500, in
>> >> ><23adq4lakd1vsetj21jnrvtrra1edcdrfe@4ax.com>, Johannes von Ebersdorf
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:29:42 -0500, Gord McFee 
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >[...]
>> >> >
>> >> >> >> Besides, there isn't much point to giving German-language sources to 
>> >> >> >> this illiterate clown. It would just be a waste of my time. The
>> >> >> >> timing of both laws is a matter of public record, as are the gross
>> >> >> >> allied excesses in postwar Germany. People were sick and tired of
>> >> >> >> being exposed to allied caprice and of having no rights in their own 
>> >> >> >> country.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Then why are you terrified to post the German language sources?
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> I'm not terrified of anything.
>> >> >
>> >> >You are terrified to post the German language sources that you claim
>> >> >exist.  Of course, we know why that is.  They don't exist.
>> >> 
>> >> Yawn.
>> >
>> >Like I said.  Thanks for providing the proof that your assertions are
>> >not supported by fact.
>> 
>> I don't care what you believe. I'm not involved in a debate with you.
>> I know what I have said and written is true, and that is ultimately
>> all that matters. Your belief or non-belief is irrelevant.
>
>Sorry, you have it wrong.  If you make a claim such as that there are
>German language sources , you are expected to support it with proof of
>some kind.  If you are unable to do so, your claim is worthless.  If
>all you are trying to do here is convince yourself, carry on, but you
>look very stupid.

You make up your "history" on the fly and never provide "proof", since
what you say is mostly false, so "proof" is impossible by definition.

>
>[troll deleted]


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On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 21:19:05 -0500, Gord McFee 
wrote:

>On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 22:28:45 -0500, in
>, Johannes von Ebersdorf
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 15:49:22 -0500, Gord McFee 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 10:10:42 -0500, in
>> ><4a9lq41do3bcbp91ocma0bt3k3cum6s0pr@4ax.com>, Johannes von Ebersdorf
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >[...]
>> >
>> >> >Funny.  Keenan is wiping the floor with you bunch.
>> >> 
>> >> What have you been drinking. Keenan is a clueless jackass whose
>> >> ignorance would fill huge libraries.
>> >
>> >Ah yes, you are also terrified of him.
>> 
>> LOL
>
>Laughing will not change the facts.
> 
>> Really? I laugh at him, but why should I be afraid?
>
>Because he wipes the floor with you.

Not in this century...



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On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:17:43 +0100, "Heinrich" 
wrote:

>The German Schaeffler auto parts manufacturer used the hair of Auschwitz 
>inmates in order to make fabrics and textile products during the Second 
>World War, according to Polish researchers.

Polish researchers???   LOL


> In an interview with the German 
>Spiegel TV, Dr. Jacek Lachendro, the deputy head of the Auschwitz Museum 
>research department, stated that part (1.95 tons) of the hair on display in 
>Auschwitz was found at the Schaeffler factory in Kietrz at the end of the 
>Second World War.
>
>He also mentioned transcripts of interrogated former factory workers who 
>stated that in 1943, two train wagon loads of hair were delivered to the 
>Kietrz factory, a three-hour ride by car from Auschwitz. Polish authorities 
>later tested the hair and found traces of Zyklon B, the poisonous gas used 
>to murder over a million Jews in the Auschwitz gas chambers.
>
>The Schaeffler textile factory's Kietrz branch, which is in ruins, was 
>originally the site of the Jewish-owned Davistan Company. The Kietrz branch 
>formed the basis of the Schaeffler Group. After the war, Wilhelm and Georg 
>Scaheffler moved the company operations to Bavaria.
>
>Two years ago, historian Prof. Gregor Schollgen was asked by the Schaeffler 
>family to research the company's history during the Nazi era. While 
>confirming that the company used forced laborers in Kietrz, he did not find 
>evidence linking the company to the processing of human hair from Auschwitz


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On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 21:30:03 +0100, Zulu
 wrote:

>Kenneth McVay OBC escribió:
>> In article ,
>> Truthseeker  wrote:
>>> There are many way to look at it. First you torture the accused into 
>>> submission to confess what you want to hear. Then you issue a gag order 
>>> where he is not allowed to talk. And then you make sure the other remaining 
>>> camp guards are never allowed to talk about it to anyone else. Is this not 
>>> the way your stem has worked for the past 60 years or more. I personally 
>>> would not trust you if you were to pay me for it. Honesty is something your 
>>> society has never known.
>> 
>> 1. Document your assertion that someone was tortured.
>
>McVay and Nizkor want to appear as a reliable "serious historian" concerning the 
>"holocost" information among interested people.
>
>What one connected with that forum can observe is that McVay sends a lot of similar 
>posts which constitute an appreciable propagandistic job seen by the holkostian side.
>
>However, as most of my inquiries related with specific facts or documents have been 
>remained without any ANSWER or even consideration I can assume that McVay and his 
>collaborators on the Nizkor site are a COMPLETE FRAUD.

The guy is not qualified in any way as either an historian or an
archivist. Nizkor is a simple-minded propaganda site that has
collected all the fables and misconceptions of the period in one
place.

>
>Why?
>
>Because they failed to:
>
>1- give the coke and wood consumption at Auschwitz during its existence or even only 
>the years 1943 and 1944.
>
>2- give the consumption of Zyclon B at Auschwitz during its existence.
>
>3a- to name who were the deniers who have debunked the homicidal "steam chambers"[1] 
>and "electrical floor"[2] which were supported by usual "eyewitness testimonies" and 
>convenient "proofs" by the Russian prosecution at Nuremberg.
>
>3b- to give which arguments were used in order to borrow those hoaxes from the DOGMA.
>
>4- to put on line the drawing that Pressac has hidden on his book, namely the Huta's 
>drawing
>
>22/10/42...109/6...7015/IV Bew. der Decke über dem Keller I/Reinforcement for the 
>ceiling over Leichenkeller 1.
>
>mentioned on that list
>
>http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/pressac/technique-and-operation/pressac0317.shtml
>
>That drawing is interesting because on it we should see how the supposed "vents" were
>planned on the roof of Leichenkeller 1. On it, the reinforcement made of steel bars 
>is supposed to be framed in order to leave "reserves" on the poured concrete as well 
>as some bars must be conveniently bent around the square openings.
>
>It is so much interesting that Pressac doesn't dare to show it.
>
>So. to resume, why doesn't McVay make the job is paid for, especially by giving 
>actual and accurate information concerning the holokost?
>
>[1] Document 3311-PS
>
>The official Polish Government Commissioner Report on the Investigation of German 
>crimes in Poland describes the concentration camp at Treblinka in these terms:
>
>"In March 1942, the Germans began to erect another camp, Treblinka B, in the 
>neighborhood of Treblinka A, intended to become a place of torment for Jews.
>
>"The erection of this camp was closely connected with the German plans aiming at a 
>complete destruction of the Jewish population in Poland which necessitated the 
>creation of a machinery by means of which the Polish Jews could be killed in large 
>numbers. Late in April 1942, the erection of the first three chambers was finished in 
>which these general massacres were to be performed by means of steam. Somewhat later 
>the erection of the real death building was finished, which contains ten death 
>chambers. It was opened for wholesale murders early in autumn 1942 * * *." (3311-PS)
>
>The report of the commission describes graphically the procedure for extermination 
>within the camp:
>
>"The average number of Jews dealt with at the camp in summer 1942 was about two 
>railway transports daily, but there were days of much higher efficiency. From autumn 
>1942 this number was falling.
>
>"After unloading in the siding all victims were assembled in one place where men were 
>separated from women and children. In the first days of the existence of the camp the 
>victims were made to believe that after a short stay in the camp, necessary for 
>bathing and disinfection, they would be sent farther east, for work. Explanations of 
>this sort were given by SS men who assisted at the unloading of the transports and 
>further explanations could be read in notices stuck up on the walls of the barracks. 
>But later, when more transports had to be dealt with, the Germans dropped all 
>pretenses and only tried to accelerate the procedure.
>
>"All victims had to strip off their clothes and shoes, which were collected 
>afterwards, whereupon all victims. women and children first, were driven into the 
>death chambers. Those too slow or too weak to move quickly were driven on by rifle 
>butts, by whipping and kicking, often by Sauer himself. Many slipped and fell, the 
>next victims pressed forward and stumbled over them. Small children were simply 
>thrown inside. After being filled up to capacity the chambers were hermetically 
>closed and steam was let in. In a few minutes all was over. The Jewish menial workers 
>had to remove the bodies from the platform and to bury them in mass graves. By and 
>by, as new transports arrived, the cemetery grew, extending in eastern direction.
>
>"From reports received, it may be assumed that several hundred thousands of Jews have 
>been exterminated in Treblinka." (3311-PS)
>
>http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/document/nca_vol1/chap_12.htm
>
>[2] The official Polish Government Commissioner Report on the Investigation of German 
>crimes in Poland (Document 3311-PS )
>
>MR. COUNSELLOR SMIRNOV:
>
>.../
>
>I beg to draw the attention of the Tribunal to the fact that at the end of 1941 and 
>in 1942 the scale of German fascist crimes committed in concentration camps reached 
>vast proportions. In particular, I refer to the report of the Polish Government in 
>confirmation of this statement. On Page 138 of the document book the members of the 
>Tribunal will find the testimony to the effect that in 1942 one of the most 
>terrifying extermination camps, the Treblinka Camp Number 2, was in rapid process of 
>erection. The Germans called this "Treblinka B." Further, I refer to the report of 
>the extraordinary State Commission on Auschwitz. The members of the Tribunal will 
>find the extract which I am going to quote on Page 353 in the document book, Volume 
>II, second column of the text, Paragraph 2. I quote a short excerpt from Page 257:
>
>"In 1941 the first crematorium for burning the corpses of murdered people was built 
>in the Auschwitz Camp. This crematorium had three ovens. Attached to the crematorium 
>was a so-called 'special purpose bath-house.' That was a gas chamber for asphyxiating 
>people."
>
>I draw the attention of the Tribunal to the following sentence:
>
>"In the summer of 1942 the Reichsfuehrer SS Himmler inspected Auschwitz Camp and 
>ordered it to be greatly enlarged and technically perfected."
>
>I end my quotation here, and I call the attention of the Tribunal to Page 136 on the 
>reverse side of the document book; this is from a report of the Polish Government, 
>which shows that the Camp Sobibur was founded during the first and second liquidation 
>of the Jewish ghetto. But the extermination on a large scale in this camp really 
>started at the beginning of 1943. In this same report, in the last paragraph on Page 
>136 of the document book, we may read that Camp Belsen was founded in 1940; but it 
>was in 1942 that the special electrical appliances were built in for mass 
>extermination of people. Under the pretext that the people were being led to the
>
>576
>
>19 Feb. 46
>
>bath-house, the doomed were undressed and then driven to the building where the floor 
>was electrified in a special way; there they were killed.
>
>http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/proc/02-19-46.htm
>


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On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 21:20:19 -0500, Gord McFee 
wrote:

>On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 10:45:35 -0500, in
>, Johannes von Ebersdorf
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 21:44:57 -0500, Gord McFee 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 22:27:27 -0500, in
>> >, Johannes von Ebersdorf
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:01:20 -0500, Gord McFee 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> >On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 10:09:10 -0500, in
>> >> >, Johannes von Ebersdorf
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:54:07 -0500, Gord McFee 
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> >On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:36:25 -0500, in
>> >> >> ><23adq4lakd1vsetj21jnrvtrra1edcdrfe@4ax.com>, Johannes von Ebersdorf
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:29:42 -0500, Gord McFee 
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >[...]
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> Besides, there isn't much point to giving German-language sources to 
>> >> >> >> >> this illiterate clown. It would just be a waste of my time. The
>> >> >> >> >> timing of both laws is a matter of public record, as are the gross
>> >> >> >> >> allied excesses in postwar Germany. People were sick and tired of
>> >> >> >> >> being exposed to allied caprice and of having no rights in their own 
>> >> >> >> >> country.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Then why are you terrified to post the German language sources?
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> I'm not terrified of anything.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >You are terrified to post the German language sources that you claim
>> >> >> >exist.  Of course, we know why that is.  They don't exist.
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> Yawn.
>> >> >
>> >> >Like I said.  Thanks for providing the proof that your assertions are
>> >> >not supported by fact.
>> >> 
>> >> I don't care what you believe. I'm not involved in a debate with you.
>> >> I know what I have said and written is true, and that is ultimately
>> >> all that matters. Your belief or non-belief is irrelevant.
>> >
>> >Sorry, you have it wrong.  If you make a claim such as that there are
>> >German language sources , you are expected to support it with proof of
>> >some kind.  If you are unable to do so, your claim is worthless.  If
>> >all you are trying to do here is convince yourself, carry on, but you
>> >look very stupid.
>> 
>> You make up your "history" on the fly and never provide "proof", since
>> what you say is mostly false, so "proof" is impossible by definition.
>
>Still running, I see.  Still afraid to post the German language
>sources.  You'd better send for Ben to defend you.

That silly line of yours is wearing pretty thin. I'm not about to go
to any trouble or effort to scan material for the likes of you, only
to have it swept aside anyway. I know how your scam works and I'm not
falling for it.


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On Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:44:01 +1000, "B. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Gord McFee"  wrote in message 
>news:6iorq41i4vhskg4tigv5p892rcohahs8ni@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:41:56 +1000, in
>> , "B. Cramer"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message
>>> news:hm4pq4t5g71ljc6a859v4o9437nb5lvp75@4ax.com...
>>> > On Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:43:04 +1000, in
>>> > , "B. Cramer"
>>> >  wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message
>>> >> news:p1tlq45ouvm3sl3vqo7kjkj7aesgjv64jh@4ax.com...
>>> >> > On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:17:25 +1000, in
>>> >> > , "B. Cramer"
>>> >> >  wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > [...]
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> >> > That's easy.  He didn't realize the answers would be "no", so 
>>> >> >> >> > he
>>> >> >> >> > is
>>> >> >> >> > trying to deflect attention away from it.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> Silly old fart. That's a keenan tactic.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Funny.  Keenan is wiping the floor with you bunch.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> No he is not.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Oh but he is.  He has completely gotten to you, to the point that 
>>> >> > you
>>> >> > follow him around like a little puppy dog and bark and fart at
>>> >> > everything he says.  He obviously scares you completely shitless.
>>> >>
>>> >> Ferfuckssake, gourd. Keenan is 'owt but a gobshite. He twists and
>>> >> distorts,
>>> >> takes subjects away from the original and lies through his goddamned
>>> >> teeth
>>> >> at every twist.
>>> >>
>>> >> He does NOT scare anyone. He sickens quite a few of us.
>>> >
>>> > He sickens you the same way Eugene Holman does.  He takes the time to
>>> > patiently and convincingly rebut your bullshit and you hate him for
>>> > it.
>>>
>>> No he doesn't. Holmanstein does not sicken me normally, whereas the 
>>> keenan
>>> kunt sickens me constantly.
>>
>> Nice try, but unconvincing.  You treat them virtually identically.
>>
>>> They're a bit like peas in a pod. Shit loads of words sprayed by them, 
>>> but
>>> bugger all of substance ever said. Keenan is a far more accomplished liar
>>> than yougenie is.
>>> >
>>> >> >> He is making it easier for us by providing details of the
>>> >> >> methods he uses to lie and distort.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > He make statements and supports them, unlike you pathetic bunch.  I
>>> >> > can see why eh scares you so much.
>>> >>
>>> >> He does NOT support his statements. EVER.
>>> >
>>> > He does constantly.  The champion of "Because I said so" is you.
>>>
>>> No he does not. It's the keenan clown who makes with the "because I say 
>>> so"
>>> constantly.
>>
>> No, he provides support for what he says.  You don't.
>
>Balls he provides support for what he says. It's mostly all "because I say 
>so" with that lying arsehold.

Gourd and Keenan both resort to "proof by assertion". Neither one has
ever presented a rational argument for anything. The specialty is
meaningless labels and name-calling.

>>
>>> Do please get a grip.
>>
>> I have a grip.  You appear to have lost yours.
>
>It's not working, gourd. You're becoming more and more pathetic by the day.
>


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On Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:46:14 -0500, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:gckqq45rjutps5n7na9g072dporor1v69k@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:17:43 +0100, "Heinrich" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>The German Schaeffler auto parts manufacturer used the hair of Auschwitz
>>>inmates in order to make fabrics and textile products during the Second
>>>World War, according to Polish researchers.
>>
>> Polish researchers???   LOL
>
>So, are we to take from your comment that you feel that Poles are somehow an 
>inferior people?
>
>Perhaps in the same way that you feel Germans are unable to speak, think or 
>act for themselves?
>
>One might note that the people who first broke the German Enigma encryption 
>systems were Poles.
>
>One might note that Copernicus was Polish.

Was that the fellow who lived in the city of Thorn, and who never
spoke a word of Polish and didn't publish in Polish either, or am I
thinking of a different person the Poles like to claim as Polish?

>
>Anyway, thanks for making clear your views, as if it was necessary.
>
>-pk
>
>
> 
>


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On Thu, 5 Mar 2009 17:16:57 -0500, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:r9kmq4d7st2nghks58nigevosm3cpos30q@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:01:20 -0500, Gord McFee 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 10:09:10 -0500, in
>>>, Johannes von Ebersdorf
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:54:07 -0500, Gord McFee 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:36:25 -0500, in
>>>> ><23adq4lakd1vsetj21jnrvtrra1edcdrfe@4ax.com>, Johannes von Ebersdorf
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:29:42 -0500, Gord McFee 
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >[...]
>>>> >
>>>> >> >> Besides, there isn't much point to giving German-language sources 
>>>> >> >> to
>>>> >> >> this illiterate clown. It would just be a waste of my time. The
>>>> >> >> timing of both laws is a matter of public record, as are the gross
>>>> >> >> allied excesses in postwar Germany. People were sick and tired of
>>>> >> >> being exposed to allied caprice and of having no rights in their 
>>>> >> >> own
>>>> >> >> country.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >Then why are you terrified to post the German language sources?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I'm not terrified of anything.
>>>> >
>>>> >You are terrified to post the German language sources that you claim
>>>> >exist.  Of course, we know why that is.  They don't exist.
>>>>
>>>> Yawn.
>>>
>>>Like I said.  Thanks for providing the proof that your assertions are
>>>not supported by fact.
>>
>> I don't care what you believe. I'm not involved in a debate with you.
>> I know what I have said and written is true,
>
>Except that in many cases, it isn't, and is easily shown to not be true.

You have yet to show that anything I have written is untrue, only that
it is at variance with allied propaganda. Allied propaganda is not the
anchor or reference point for truth.

>
>> and that is ultimately
>> all that matters. Your belief or non-belief is irrelevant.
>
>Interestingly, all the protestations of "belief" are coming from you, whose 
>pronouncements have been shown several times now to not be based on facts.
>
>Your position seems to be that people have told you things, and you hold 
>them to be true.   You won't provide sources to allow others to check.
>
>
>> If you disagree that the earth orbits the sun for example, it makes no
>> difference. The earth orbits the sun regardless of your protestations
>> and rhetoric. It is the same with the various historical topics
>> discussed here.
>
>Well, no, it isn't.   You are presenting some assertions as facts, and you 
>are misusing numbers to do this.
>
>If you assert that one number is higher than another, when the reverse is 
>clearly shown to be true, your assertion is not factually correct.
>
>If you assert that the number of legally sanctioned executions in Nazi 
>Germany was low, by excluding the numbers from the courts that issued the 
>largest number of capital sentences, your assertions will likewise not be 
>factually correct.
>
>
>> The people to whom I'm speaking have enough knowledge
>> to know that what I said was true.
>
>And then there are those who checked the sources, and who know that it 
>wasn't.
>
>Here's a hint: You're caught.  What you are presenting as true sometimes 
>isn't, and in a number of cases it's been very easy to show this.
>
>By the way, Mr. McFee's German is rather more than adequate.
>
>So let's have your sources.
>
>-pk
>
>
>>>
>>>> >> I just have better ways to spend my
>>>> >> time than scanning book pages that will simply be snipped or rejected
>>>> >> by opponents who are after all here to disrupt, and not to discuss
>>>> >> anything. Everything I have said is a matter of public record, so you
>>>> >> are free to do your own searching. Try to use original sources rather
>>>> >> than the dreck from nizkor.
>>>> >
>>>> >Evasion noted.
>>>
>>>Evasion noted again. 
>


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On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 09:38:03 -0500, Gord McFee 
wrote:

>On 3/5/2009 1:33 AM, B. Cramer wrote:
>
>> "Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
>> news:Y56dnZYzE7vRZzPUnZ2dnUVZ_rrinZ2d@vex.net...
>>> In article , Neil
>>> Harrington  wrote:
>>>> "Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:Armdnb7cA_TcczPUnZ2dnUVZ_tfinZ2d@vex.net...
>>>>> In article , Al Smith
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> In article 
>>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>>  The Sun Tribe  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> general62
>>>>>>> Gee, they only killed 1.1 million instead of 4 million.
>>>>>>> Well, in that case let's just forget about it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It is an important difference, for many reasons, one of them
>>>>>> being that if we cannot trust the claimed numbers of dead
>>>>>> more than this -- the difference between 4 million and 1
>>>>>> million is pretty large -- then, what can we trust in the
>>>>>> Holocaust dogma?
>>>>> It's a meaningless difference, because the 4 million figure was
>>>>> never accurate,
>>>> Nor is the "1.1 million" figure, of course, though at least it's
>>>> an adjustment in the right direction.
>>>>> nor accepted by Western scholars.
>>>> Funny that the general public never heard a word about the "4
>>>> million figure" being not "accepted by Western scholars" for all
>>>> those years, isn't it?
>>> No, given that the number was only used in the Soviet Bloc, and no
>>> Western scholars either accepted it or included it as a part of the
>>> estimated Jewish death toll.
>> 
>> You goddamned liar, mcFey. The 4m number was taught in Australian
>> schools until quite recently.
>
>Prove it.

He doesn't have to prove anything. The same stuff was in Canadian
school history texts. I personally was taught that exact number in
Canadian schools, and all hell would have broken loose if anybody had
dared to dispute it. It was dogma.

>
>> Almost every documentary on the Holocaust(tm) mentions the 4m.
>
>Cite one.
>
>> You are a rotten liar of the worst kind.
>
>Look who's talking.
>
>>>> Even funnier that the difference between 4 million and 1.1
>>>> million can be subtracted from the famous "6 million" and still
>>>> leave 6 million. Oy vey, another Holocaust miracle.
>>> See above. What's really funny is that Holocaust deniers have been
>>> trying this one on for more than ten years, and have been
>>> thoroughly debunked in return.
>> 
>> Nope. You turds lie about the fact the 4m figure has been taught and
>> jammed down our throats for decades.
>
>Nothing has been jammed down anyone's throat.
>
>> That's a fact, Jack.
>>> That is, of course, why deniers are thought of as morons from the
>>> shallow end of the gene pool.
>> 
>> That would be you mcFey. You, who has sold his soul to evil and
>> darkness, to profit from a goddamned myth.
>> 
>> 
>>> http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial/four-million-01.html
>>> 
>> 
>> Oh, that's cute. Using your own website to back up your own specious
>>  b'ullshit.
>
>What's even cuter is your complete inability to do anything but attack
>the messenger.


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On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:22:41 +1000, "B. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Gord McFee"  wrote in message 
>news:8nZrl.16668$UQ6.12658@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com...
>> On 3/4/2009 4:26 PM, Neil Harrington wrote:
>>
>>> "Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
>>> news:Armdnb7cA_TcczPUnZ2dnUVZ_tfinZ2d@vex.net...
>>>> In article , Al Smith 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> In article 
>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>  The Sun Tribe  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> general62
>>>>>> Gee, they only killed 1.1 million instead of 4 million. Well, in that 
>>>>>> case let's just forget about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is an important difference, for many reasons, one of them being that 
>>>>> if we cannot trust the claimed numbers of dead more than this -- the 
>>>>> difference between 4 million and 1 million is pretty large -- then, 
>>>>> what can we trust in the Holocaust dogma?
>>>> It's a meaningless difference, because the 4 million figure was never 
>>>> accurate,
>>>
>>> Nor is the "1.1 million" figure, of course, though at least it's an 
>>> adjustment in the right direction.
>>
>> It's pretty close.  It may be understated a bit.
>
>Proof by assertion doesn't cut it, gourd.

Until gourd comes up with something more convincing, I will take the
camp records released a few years ago by the Russians as
authoritative. Since these records were never intended to fall into
enemy hands, there is no reason for them to be falsified. False
records are essentially worthless and not worth the effort of creating
them.

>


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On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 16:18:34 -0500, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:fef2r41vuaocoposc9r7ajto6etr5tm3hd@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 5 Mar 2009 17:16:57 -0500, "Patrick Keenan" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>news:r9kmq4d7st2nghks58nigevosm3cpos30q@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:01:20 -0500, Gord McFee 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 10:09:10 -0500, in
>>>>>, Johannes von Ebersdorf
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:54:07 -0500, Gord McFee 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:36:25 -0500, in
>>>>>> ><23adq4lakd1vsetj21jnrvtrra1edcdrfe@4ax.com>, Johannes von Ebersdorf
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:29:42 -0500, Gord McFee
>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >[...]
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> >> Besides, there isn't much point to giving German-language 
>>>>>> >> >> sources
>>>>>> >> >> to
>>>>>> >> >> this illiterate clown. It would just be a waste of my time. The
>>>>>> >> >> timing of both laws is a matter of public record, as are the 
>>>>>> >> >> gross
>>>>>> >> >> allied excesses in postwar Germany. People were sick and tired 
>>>>>> >> >> of
>>>>>> >> >> being exposed to allied caprice and of having no rights in their
>>>>>> >> >> own
>>>>>> >> >> country.
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >Then why are you terrified to post the German language sources?
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I'm not terrified of anything.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >You are terrified to post the German language sources that you claim
>>>>>> >exist.  Of course, we know why that is.  They don't exist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yawn.
>>>>>
>>>>>Like I said.  Thanks for providing the proof that your assertions are
>>>>>not supported by fact.
>>>>
>>>> I don't care what you believe. I'm not involved in a debate with you.
>>>> I know what I have said and written is true,
>>>
>>>Except that in many cases, it isn't, and is easily shown to not be true.
>>
>> You have yet to show that anything I have written is untrue,
>
>Yes,  I have done this.
>
>>  only that
>> it is at variance with allied propaganda. Allied propaganda is not the
>> anchor or reference point for truth.
>
>I showed, using British statistics that are in no way British propaganda, 
>that what you posted about British bomb vs. traffic deaths was untrue.

You were playing word games to deflect attention away from the fact
that British bombing fatalities were an order of magnitude lower than
those in Germany, suggesting that allied efforts were directed against
people and not against military facilities as they like to claim.

The British bombing deaths were of the same order of magnitude as the
traffic total for the same period.

>
>And it's clear that you decided to pretend that a lot fewer people were 
>executed under color of law in Nazi Germany by deciding to ignore the 
>People's Courts and their practice of judicial executions.

As far as I know, there was exactly ONE "People's Court" and that was
the one headed by Justice Freisler in Berlin and was essentially the
supreme court under a different name.

>
>So yes, I have certainly shown that you have written things that were 
>untrue.
>
>Further, you now claim that I haven't done so, and I have shown that that 
>claim is also untrue.
>
>
>Now, about those sources you are so reluctant to bring forth?
>
>-pk
>
>
>>
>>>
>>>> and that is ultimately
>>>> all that matters. Your belief or non-belief is irrelevant.
>>>
>>>Interestingly, all the protestations of "belief" are coming from you, 
>>>whose
>>>pronouncements have been shown several times now to not be based on facts.
>>>
>>>Your position seems to be that people have told you things, and you hold
>>>them to be true.   You won't provide sources to allow others to check.
>>>
>>>
>>>> If you disagree that the earth orbits the sun for example, it makes no
>>>> difference. The earth orbits the sun regardless of your protestations
>>>> and rhetoric. It is the same with the various historical topics
>>>> discussed here.
>>>
>>>Well, no, it isn't.   You are presenting some assertions as facts, and you
>>>are misusing numbers to do this.
>>>
>>>If you assert that one number is higher than another, when the reverse is
>>>clearly shown to be true, your assertion is not factually correct.
>>>
>>>If you assert that the number of legally sanctioned executions in Nazi
>>>Germany was low, by excluding the numbers from the courts that issued the
>>>largest number of capital sentences, your assertions will likewise not be
>>>factually correct.
>>>
>>>
>>>> The people to whom I'm speaking have enough knowledge
>>>> to know that what I said was true.
>>>
>>>And then there are those who checked the sources, and who know that it
>>>wasn't.
>>>
>>>Here's a hint: You're caught.  What you are presenting as true sometimes
>>>isn't, and in a number of cases it's been very easy to show this.
>>>
>>>By the way, Mr. McFee's German is rather more than adequate.
>>>
>>>So let's have your sources.
>>>
>>>-pk
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> >> I just have better ways to spend my
>>>>>> >> time than scanning book pages that will simply be snipped or 
>>>>>> >> rejected
>>>>>> >> by opponents who are after all here to disrupt, and not to discuss
>>>>>> >> anything. Everything I have said is a matter of public record, so 
>>>>>> >> you
>>>>>> >> are free to do your own searching. Try to use original sources 
>>>>>> >> rather
>>>>>> >> than the dreck from nizkor.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Evasion noted.
>>>>>
>>>>>Evasion noted again.
>>> 
>


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On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 21:55:59 -0500, Gord McFee 
wrote:

>On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 16:17:01 -0500, in
><7NidnfjmnPZ-DyzUnZ2dnUVZ_jeWnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Neil Harrington"
> wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>> And on and on it goes. Zundel was "determined to be a national security 
>> risk" solely on grounds of his being "likely to incite hatred against an 
>> identifiable group" -- which of course means nothing more than that he 
>> offended powerful Canadian Jewish groups by disputing parts of the Holocaust 
>> mythology.
>
>That isn't what the article says.  It says that he "he was detained
>for two years on a Security Certificate for being a foreign national
>alleged to be a threat to national security pending a court decision
>on the validity of the certificate."

Security Certificates make a mockery of our alleged "democracy". This
tool of tyranny needs to be abolished.

> 
>> That much is clear from the article. That was his one and only 
>> "crime" -- annoying Jews by questioning the Holocaust hoax, which as we know 
>> is of paramount importance to Jewish and Zionist interests.
>
>The very article you cite contradicts that.
> 
>> > Hope this helps.
>> 
>> Sure did. It made me look more closely into the Zundel issue and, if you'll 
>> pardon my saying so, satisfy myself that what you're saying is mostly a 
>> rather mediocre grade of baloney.
>
>I would not have expected you to say anything else.  You cannot admit
>the truth about Zündel because that would force you to stop lying
>about Jews.


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On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:09:45 -0500, Gord McFee 
wrote:

>On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:08:13 +1000, in
>, "B. Cramer"
> wrote:
>
>> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message 
>> news:YmZrl.16657$UQ6.16296@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com...
>> > On 3/3/2009 in Message ,
>> > B. Cramer  wrote:
>> >
>> > [...]
>> >
>> >>> read more »
>> >>
>> >>> Hitler went to war with the 3 greatest military powers on Earth, invaded 
>> >>> and occupied all of mainland Europe and North Africa. The Allies were 
>> >>> protecting themselves, you fucking idiot.
>> >>
>> >> It was Britain and France who declared war on Germany you fucking idiot.
>> >
>> > After Germany invaded Poland unprovoked, in the full knowledge that
>> > Britain and France had non-aggression pacts with Poland and would have
>> > to declare war if Germany invaded.

Obviously Uncle Stalin was entitled to as much Polish territory as he
wished, but Germany was castigated by the hypocritical Brits for
recovering stolen property in the form of the corridor lands.

Your allied "history" makes no sense, especially given that all of
Poland was haned to Stalin as a gift in 1945. All of a sudden, Polish
"independence" was no longer an issue for the allies.

>> 
>> Really?
>
>Yes.
>
>> Is that so.
>
>Yes.
>
>> You can now read Hitler's mind, huh?
>
>That is not necessary.  Why are you off on tangents?
> 
>> Britain and France had been threatening all manner of actions against 
>> Germany prior to the attack on Poland and nothing came of it.
>
>Bullshit.  Name just one.
>
>> Why would 
>> Hitler have suddenly "known" the Brits and France would now declare war on 
>> him.
>
>Because, unlike you, he was not an idiot.


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On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:54:25 -0800 (PST), "B. Cramer"
 wrote:

>Listen, I KNOW the Holocaust happened. Its probably the most heavily
>documented tragedy ever.  But I chirp into this newsgroup because I
>hate Jews. When I was growing up Jews in the neighborhood used to beat
>me up and I've vowed to get back at them. There is not a Holocaust
>denier that does not hates Jews (none that have yet to come forward).
>The bulk of the "Holocaust deniers" know that the Holocaust happened,
>as well.

The foregoing is a pretty clumsy forgery and shows the sheer abject
desperation of Ben's opponents. Ben is obviously being effective if
they go to the trouble of forging material under his name in a futile
effort to achieve debating points.



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On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 20:34:52 -0500, Gord McFee 
wrote:

>On 3/6/2009 10:10 PM, B. Cramer wrote:
>
>> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message 
>> news:cro3r4l3845m3omv51opf4ftoifm2nh7v3@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:13:20 +1000, in 
>>> , "B. Cramer" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:WmZrl.16655$UQ6.10680@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com...
>>>>> On 3/3/2009 in Message 
>>>>> , B. Cramer 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message 
>>>>>> news:l8prq4d2t014ai8261vobmrqm06hp0phk4@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:48:27 +1000, in 
>>>>>>> <2KGdnVgl3oB2WTHUnZ2dnVY3go-dnZ2d@giganews.com>, "B. 
>>>>>>> Cramer"  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>> news:g06pq4psg1thkb9l1rgfisghkgpm5bvl92@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 22:27:27 -0500, in 
>>>>>>>>> , Johannes 
>>>>>>>>> von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:01:20 -0500, Gord McFee 
>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 10:09:10 -0500, in 
>>>>>>>>>>> , 
>>>>>>>>>>> Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:54:07 -0500, Gord McFee 
>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:36:25 -0500, in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <23adq4lakd1vsetj21jnrvtrra1edcdrfe@4ax.com>, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Johannes von Ebersdorf  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:29:42 -0500, Gord 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> McFee  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Besides, there isn't much point to giving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  German-language sources to this 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> illiterate clown. It would just be a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waste of my time. The timing of both laws
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  is a matter of public record, as are the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  gross allied excesses in postwar 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Germany. People were sick and tired of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being exposed to allied caprice and of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having no rights in their own country.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then why are you terrified to post the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> German language sources?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not terrified of anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are terrified to post the German language 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sources that you claim exist.  Of course, we 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> know why that is. They don't exist.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yawn.
>>>>>>>>>>> Like I said.  Thanks for providing the proof that 
>>>>>>>>>>> your assertions are not supported by fact.
>>>>>>>>>> I don't care what you believe. I'm not involved in a 
>>>>>>>>>> debate with you. I know what I have said and written 
>>>>>>>>>> is true, and that is ultimately all that matters. 
>>>>>>>>>> Your belief or non-belief is irrelevant.
>>>>>>>>> Sorry, you have it wrong.  If you make a claim such as 
>>>>>>>>> that there are German language sources , you are 
>>>>>>>>> expected to support it with proof of some kind.  If you
>>>>>>>>>  are unable to do so, your claim is worthless.  If all 
>>>>>>>>> you are trying to do here is convince yourself, carry 
>>>>>>>>> on, but you look very stupid.
>>>>>>>> Rightoh.
>>>>>>> You got it.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Provide some proof the Nazis were involved in the 
>>>>>>>> massacre of jews at Babi Yar. Proof, please - none of 
>>>>>>>> your usual nizkor or holocaust(tm) history hosted shite.
>>>>>>> When we need you, we will send for you.
>>>>>> Fleeing again, old feller? Unable to provide answers, old 
>>>>>> feller?
>>>>> No, I'm here.  This is between Johannes and me, unless you are 
>>>>> prepared to provide the proof he is running away from.  If you 
>>>>> are, go for it.
>>>> I believe it's you who is fleeing, again, old feller. Why can't 
>>>> you provide the information he seeks?
>>> 
>>> So you can't provide the proof he is running from.
>> 
>> He's not running from anything.
>
>Oh but he is.  I said to him:
>
>"If you make a claim such as that there are German language sources ,
>you are expected to support it with proof of some kind.  If you are
>unable to do so, your claim is worthless.  If all you are trying to do
>here is convince yourself, carry on, but you look very stupid."
>
>Rather than do that, he pulled the old denier deflection gambit and said:
>
>"Provide some proof the Nazis were involved in the massacre of jews at
>Babi Yar."

I never made that statement. You have just established yourself as an
arsehole, a liar, or both.

>
>The runner therefore is your friend Johannes.
>
>> You, though, are most certainly being deceptive.
>
>Funny you say that after the lie you just posted a fe wlines above.
>
>> Why do you lie, old feller? Have you got yid blood in you?
>
>I don't lie, since I am not a denier and have no need to lie.


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On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 20:44:50 -0500, Gord McFee 
wrote:

>On 3/7/2009 10:55 AM, Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>> As far as I know, there was exactly ONE "People's Court" and that was
>>  the one headed by Justice Freisler in Berlin and was essentially the
>>  supreme court under a different name.
>
>It wasn't the Supreme Court under a different name.  It was outside the
>normal court system as near as I can tell.

Can you come up with something more substantial than Wikipedia for
your assertion? Technically, everything that was done was legal since
the Enabling Act gave the Chancellor and President the power to govern
by proclamation. Anything that was said was law the moment it was
published in the Reichstag record. The Volksgericht was as legal as
any other court during the period. Obviously many of their verdicts
were purely political, but that certainly wasn't unique to them. The
postwar allied kangaroo courts were no better when it came to
political "justice".

>
>http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volksgerichtshof


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On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 19:24:22 +0100, Zulu
 wrote:

>Johannes von Ebersdorf escribió:
>> On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:09:45 -0500, Gord McFee 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:08:13 +1000, in
>>> , "B. Cramer"
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:YmZrl.16657$UQ6.16296@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com...
>>>>> On 3/3/2009 in Message ,
>>>>> B. Cramer  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>>>> read more »
>>>>>>> Hitler went to war with the 3 greatest military powers on Earth, invaded 
>>>>>>> and occupied all of mainland Europe and North Africa. The Allies were 
>>>>>>> protecting themselves, you fucking idiot.
>>>>>> It was Britain and France who declared war on Germany you fucking idiot.
>>>>> After Germany invaded Poland unprovoked, in the full knowledge that
>>>>> Britain and France had non-aggression pacts with Poland and would have
>>>>> to declare war if Germany invaded.
>> 
>> Obviously Uncle Stalin was entitled to as much Polish territory as he
>> wished, but Germany was castigated by the hypocritical Brits for
>> recovering stolen property in the form of the corridor lands.
>> 
>> Your allied "history" makes no sense, especially given that all of
>> Poland was haned to Stalin as a gift in 1945. All of a sudden, Polish
>> "independence" was no longer an issue for the allies.
>> 
>
>Amazing fact: it existed a post war Polish government-in-exile until 1990.
>
><>
>
>The Polish government-in-exile ("Government of the Republic of Poland in Exile") was 
>the government of Poland after the country had been occupied by Germany and the 
>Soviet Union at the start of World War II (September and October 1939). Thereafter, 
>for the remainder of the war, it commanded Polish armed forces operating outside Poland.
>
>Though largely unrecognized and without effective power after the end of World War 
>II, it remained in existence until the end of Communist rule in Poland in 1990, when 
>it formally passed on its responsibilities to the new government.

Amazing. Thank you for the information.

>
><>
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_government_in_exile


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On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:09:14 +0100, Zulu
 wrote:

>I'll Always Be 06-03-09 escribió:
>> Zulu  wrote in
>> news:49b199ca@news.x-privat.org: 
>> 
>>> I'll Always Be 04-03-09 escribió:
>>>> Zulu  wrote in
>>>> news:49aeb22f$1@news.x-privat.org: 
>>>>
>>>>> I'll Always Be 03-03-09 escribió:
>>>>>> Zulu  wrote in
>>>>>> news:49ad85b5@news.x-privat.org: 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Toivo Kottarainen escribió:
>>>>>>>> "Zulu"  kirjoitti 
>>>>>>>> viestissä:49ad7d7a$1@news.x-privat.org...
>>>>>>>>> Toivo Kottarainen escribió:
>> http://faculty.berea.edu/gowlers/remembering/majdanek/pages/gas_chambe
>>>>>>>>>> r_jpg.htm 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There´s a door to one of Majdaneks gas chambers, It´s made of
>>>>>>>>>> steel, with tree hinges, a peephole and a handle. There are towo
>>>>>>>>>> locks that cannot be winded from the inside and outside a latch
>>>>>>>>>> on the wall, propably for an extra secure bar with a hook.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How many jews were actually killed at Majdanek?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.majdanek.pl/?lng=1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From the very beginning of their stay at the camp, the prisoners
>>>>>>>> were inevitably accompanied by hunger, fear, backbreaking work and
>>>>>>>> diseases. For all real and imagined offences prisoners were
>>>>>>>> severely punished and persecuted. Prisoners’ lives were constantly
>>>>>>>> threatened. They died in the aftermath of wretched living
>>>>>>>> conditions, they were executed and murdered in gas chambers. Among
>>>>>>>> an estimated 150,000 prisoners who entered Majdanek, 80,000 people,
>>>>>>>> including 60,000 Jews, were killed according to the most recent
>>>>>>>> research. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Proofs?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Proof of "gassing operations"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Proof of making a bar of soap from chicken fat?
>>>>> Basic chemistry MORON.
>>>>>
>>>>> fat or oil + alkali --> soap + glycerin
>>>>>
>>>>> Fat
>>>>>
>>>>> Soap is derived from either vegetable or animal fats. Sodium
>>>>> tallowate, a common ingredient in many soaps, is derived from rendered
>>>>> beef fat. Soap can also be made of vegetable oils, such as palm oil,
>>>>> and the product is typically softer. If soap is made from pure olive
>>>>> oil it may be called Castile soap or Marseille soap. Castile is also
>>>>> sometimes applied to soaps with a mix of oils, but a high percentage
>>>>> of olive oil. 
>>>>>
>>>>> An array of oils and butters are used in the process such as olive,
>>>>> coconut, palm, cocoa butter, hemp oil and shea butter to provide
>>>>> different qualities. For example, olive oil provides mildness in soap;
>>>>> coconut oil provides lots of lather; while coconut and palm oils
>>>>> provide hardness. Sometimes castor oil can also be used as an
>>>>> ebullient. Most common, though, is a combination of coconut, palm, and
>>>>> olive oils. 
>>>>>
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soap
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Saponification
>>>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Saponification is commonly used to refer to the reaction of a metallic
>>>>> alkali (base) with a fat or oil to form soap. Saponifiable substances
>>>>> are those that can be converted into soap.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sodium hydroxide (NaOH) is a caustic base. If NaOH is used a hard soap
>>>>> is formed, whereas when potassium hydroxide (KOH) is used, a soft soap
>>>>> is formed. Vegetable oils and animal fats are fatty esters in the form
>>>>> of triglycerides. The alkali breaks the ester bond and releases the
>>>>> fatty acid salt and glycerol. If necessary, soaps may be precipitated
>>>>> by salting it out with saturated sodium chloride. The saponification
>>>>> value is the amount of base required to saponify a fat sample. 
>>>>>
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saponification
>>>>>
>>>> Nice theory, but you still can't prove that you can make a bar of soap 
>>>> from chicken fat.
>>> I have not received your $300 to do that simple experiment.
>>> Are you pretending that I would make it for you free of charge?
>> 
>> 
>> Why would anyone pay YOU to prove YOUR DOGMA?
>> 
>
>Science is not dogma. Go back to school moron.

Very little of their stuff stands up to scientific scrutiny.



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On Sun, 8 Mar 2009 12:34:56 +1000, "B.H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Gord McFee"  wrote in message 
>news:JPFsl.25184$UQ6.19232@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com...
>> On 3/6/2009 10:28 PM, B. Cramer wrote:
>>
>>> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message 
>>> news:2vp3r41rdra08sl1q4qf02timcsnb7cfnt@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:02:37 +1000, in
>>>> <_Jidnft0C78yey3UnZ2dnVY3gomdnZ2d@giganews.com>, "B. Cramer"
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:1nZrl.16661$UQ6.2443@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com...
>>>>>> On 3/3/2009 9:15 PM, z wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 7:00 pm, "B. Cramer"  wrote:
>>>>>>>> The 'Gas Chambers' of Auschwitz and Majdanek
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> by Germar Rudolf
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. Introduction
>>>>>>> Dr. Germar Rudolf; aka Ernst Gauss, aka Dipl.-Ing. Manfred Gerner,
>>>>>>> aka Dr. Ch. Konrad, Historiker, aka Dr. jur. Werner Kretschmer, aka
>>>>>>> Dr. Lennard Rose, aka Dr.Dr. R. Scholz, Chemiker und Pharmakologe,
>>>>>>> aka H.K. Westphal, Dipl.-Ingenieur. OK, for the sake of argument,
>>>>>>> let's say that perhaps Rudolf has very good reasons for using all
>>>>>>> these aliases (although they do bring up the interesting question; if
>>>>>>> a person earns a doctoral degree, do their aliases also earn the same
>>>>>>>  degree?)
>>>>>> Interesting.  You would almost think he was trying to pretend he is
>>>>>> someone he isn't.  Especially when he uses purported writing from one
>>>>>> alias to support the statements of another alias.  Some people would
>>>>>> call that dishonest.
>>>>> It's what you cunts do all the time, old feller. mcFey uses his own 
>>>>> site for
>>>>> reference, you use his site, he uses your site - it's a merry-go-round 
>>>>> of
>>>>> deceit, lies and treachery.
>>>> I realize it is hard for you to keep up, especially with the beating
>>>> Keenan is giving you, but the issue is Rudolf's dishonesty.
>>>
>>> BBBBWWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>>
>>> You are goddamned pathetic, old feller.
>>>
>>> More of your lies about the effectivness of the arch liar, keenan and 
>>> more unfortunate blather from you about Rudolf.
>>
>> He has you completely unhinged, it is clear.
>
>You keep spraying that, yet are unable to support  your claim with anything 
>but your usual hot air.

Hot air he has in abundance, but little else.

>
>
>>
>> -- 
>> Gord McFee
>> I'll write no line before its time
>>
>> Visit the Holocaust History Project
>> http://www.holocaust-history.org
>> 


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On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 21:24:57 -0400, Gord McFee 
wrote:

>On 3/8/2009 5:31 PM, Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 20:44:50 -0500, Gord McFee
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> On 3/7/2009 10:55 AM, Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>>> 
>>> [...]
>>> 
>>>> As far as I know, there was exactly ONE "People's Court" and that
>>>> was the one headed by Justice Freisler in Berlin and was
>>>> essentially the supreme court under a different name.
>>> It wasn't the Supreme Court under a different name.  It was outside
>>> the normal court system as near as I can tell.
>> 
>> Can you come up with something more substantial than Wikipedia for 
>> your assertion? Technically, everything that was done was legal since
>>  the Enabling Act gave the Chancellor and President the power to
>> govern by proclamation. Anything that was said was law the moment it
>> was published in the Reichstag record. The Volksgericht was as legal
>> as any other court during the period. Obviously many of their
>> verdicts were purely political, but that certainly wasn't unique to
>> them. The postwar allied kangaroo courts were no better when it came
>> to political "justice".
>
>I wasn't trying to say that the Volksgerichtshof was illegal, just that
>it wasn't the Supreme Court.

Article 105 of the German Constitution states: Extraordinary Courts
are prohibited.

The Enabling Act allowed the President/Chancellor to enact laws
deviating from the constitution, but only if they did not impact the
powers of the Reichstag and Reichsrat. The courts are the business of
the Reichstag and the Reichsrat.

>
>http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volksgerichtshof


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On Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:19:51 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:l165r4psmsr08bhb3fq5k179athnkambec@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 16:18:34 -0500, "Patrick Keenan" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>news:fef2r41vuaocoposc9r7ajto6etr5tm3hd@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 5 Mar 2009 17:16:57 -0500, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>>news:r9kmq4d7st2nghks58nigevosm3cpos30q@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:01:20 -0500, Gord McFee 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 10:09:10 -0500, in
>>>>>>>, Johannes von Ebersdorf
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:54:07 -0500, Gord McFee 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:36:25 -0500, in
>>>>>>>> ><23adq4lakd1vsetj21jnrvtrra1edcdrfe@4ax.com>, Johannes von 
>>>>>>>> >Ebersdorf
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:29:42 -0500, Gord McFee
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >[...]
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >> >> Besides, there isn't much point to giving German-language
>>>>>>>> >> >> sources
>>>>>>>> >> >> to
>>>>>>>> >> >> this illiterate clown. It would just be a waste of my time. 
>>>>>>>> >> >> The
>>>>>>>> >> >> timing of both laws is a matter of public record, as are the
>>>>>>>> >> >> gross
>>>>>>>> >> >> allied excesses in postwar Germany. People were sick and tired
>>>>>>>> >> >> of
>>>>>>>> >> >> being exposed to allied caprice and of having no rights in 
>>>>>>>> >> >> their
>>>>>>>> >> >> own
>>>>>>>> >> >> country.
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >Then why are you terrified to post the German language sources?
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> I'm not terrified of anything.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >You are terrified to post the German language sources that you 
>>>>>>>> >claim
>>>>>>>> >exist.  Of course, we know why that is.  They don't exist.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yawn.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Like I said.  Thanks for providing the proof that your assertions are
>>>>>>>not supported by fact.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't care what you believe. I'm not involved in a debate with you.
>>>>>> I know what I have said and written is true,
>>>>>
>>>>>Except that in many cases, it isn't, and is easily shown to not be true.
>>>>
>>>> You have yet to show that anything I have written is untrue,
>>>
>>>Yes,  I have done this.
>>>
>>>>  only that
>>>> it is at variance with allied propaganda. Allied propaganda is not the
>>>> anchor or reference point for truth.
>>>
>>>I showed, using British statistics that are in no way British propaganda,
>>>that what you posted about British bomb vs. traffic deaths was untrue.
>>
>> You were playing word games
>
>No, I am showing that the figures you presented are false.
>
>You didn't check them, and now pretend that the fact that you got it 
>completely backwards is inconsequential.
>
>And it isn't, because when you proceed to do exactly the same thing again, 
>we can begin to perceive a pattern.
>
>> to deflect attention away from the fact
>> that British bombing fatalities were an order of magnitude lower than
>> those in Germany,
>
>That is not related in any way to the claim you made.
>
>But it's not surprising that you seek to alter the terms, given how wrong 
>you turned out to be.
>
>> suggesting that allied efforts were directed against
>> people  and not against military facilities as they like to claim.
>>
>> The British bombing deaths were of the same order of magnitude as the
>> traffic total for the same period.
>
>This is a complete change from what your original claim, and has nothing 
>whatsoever to do with what you originally suggested.
>
>Your original claim was simply that more people were killed in GB by traffic 
>than by bombs.
>
>Your claim, which was then shown to be wrong, is simply a comparison of two 
>numbers.
>
>In addition to being a completely unfounded and easily disproven claim, it 
>refers in no way to the statistics in other countries.
>
>>>And it's clear that you decided to pretend that a lot fewer people were
>>>executed under color of law in Nazi Germany by deciding to ignore the
>>>People's Courts and their practice of judicial executions.
>>
>> As far as I know, there was exactly ONE "People's Court" and that was
>> the one headed by Justice Freisler in Berlin
>
>Friesler was the head of the Volksgerichtshof for three years, from 1942 to 
>1945.   The Volksgerichtshof, however, was created in 1934.
>
>The Volksgerichtshof ran for eight years before Friesler was appointed. 
>The preceding Judge-Presidents were Fritz Rehn (who died a few weeks after 
>his appointment) and Otto Thierack (who ran it from 1936 to 1942, when he 
>was appointed Reich Minister of Justice).
>
>The one following Friesler, who was killed in an air raid,  was Harry 
>Haffner.   Haffner ran it from 12 March 1945 to 24 April 1945, two weeks 
>before the Germans surrendered.
>
>So here, we see you again trying to manipulate the numbers and the history 
>in the most blatant and obvious way, by excluding data you don't like.
>
>It's almost like you don't care if you get caught making things up.   And 
>yet, you express a complete distrust for the historical record.
>
>> and was essentially the
>> supreme court under a different name.
>
>We'll come back to that odd suggestion later, because by acknowledging 
>Friesler and claiming that it was "essentially the supreme court", you 
>acknowledge that your original premise is false.
>
>Let's recap, shall we?
>
>In response to the suggestion that the Nazis had issued perhaps 30,000 death 
>sentences under colour of law (and that this is the reason that the postwar 
>German state outlawed capital punishment), you put forward the idea that the 
>Supreme Court issued only *240 death sentences*, and that *only the Supreme 
>Court could issue death sentences* under color of law.
>
>Now you realize you have to include the Volksgerichtshof, because their 
>existence was pointed out to you.
>
>However, during only the *three year* that Friesler was head of the 
>Volksgerichtshof,  it issued more than *five thousand* death sentences.
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Freisler
>
>Again, we see you being unable to determine which of two numbers, which 
>happen to be thousands apart, is the larger.
>
>We are faced with two options here   Either:
>
>1) the People's Courts were part of the Supreme Court, in which case your 
>suggestion of 240 death sentences is wrong by a very large degree, or
>
>2) they were not part of the Supreme Court and your suggestion that only the 
>Supreme Court could issue death sentences under colour of law is patently 
>false.
>
>Which will you choose?
>
>Regardless of which one you pick, the numbers you presented are wrong and 
>your original premise is shown to be unfounded.

It is EXACTLY what I said earlier. The book I had seen posted the
traffic deaths as slightly higher than the bombing deaths. The
difference between the two is not large, so my point stands. Your
sophistry does not alter the fact that allied bombings were
essentially terrorist in nature while the German bombings were
primarily military in nature.

>
>Again.
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>-pk
>
>
>>>
>>>So yes, I have certainly shown that you have written things that were
>>>untrue.
>>>
>>>Further, you now claim that I haven't done so, and I have shown that that
>>>claim is also untrue.
>>>
>>>
>>>Now, about those sources you are so reluctant to bring forth?
>>>
>>>-pk
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> and that is ultimately
>>>>>> all that matters. Your belief or non-belief is irrelevant.
>>>>>
>>>>>Interestingly, all the protestations of "belief" are coming from you,
>>>>>whose
>>>>>pronouncements have been shown several times now to not be based on 
>>>>>facts.
>>>>>
>>>>>Your position seems to be that people have told you things, and you hold
>>>>>them to be true.   You won't provide sources to allow others to check.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you disagree that the earth orbits the sun for example, it makes no
>>>>>> difference. The earth orbits the sun regardless of your protestations
>>>>>> and rhetoric. It is the same with the various historical topics
>>>>>> discussed here.
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, no, it isn't.   You are presenting some assertions as facts, and 
>>>>>you
>>>>>are misusing numbers to do this.
>>>>>
>>>>>If you assert that one number is higher than another, when the reverse 
>>>>>is
>>>>>clearly shown to be true, your assertion is not factually correct.
>>>>>
>>>>>If you assert that the number of legally sanctioned executions in Nazi
>>>>>Germany was low, by excluding the numbers from the courts that issued 
>>>>>the
>>>>>largest number of capital sentences, your assertions will likewise not 
>>>>>be
>>>>>factually correct.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The people to whom I'm speaking have enough knowledge
>>>>>> to know that what I said was true.
>>>>>
>>>>>And then there are those who checked the sources, and who know that it
>>>>>wasn't.
>>>>>
>>>>>Here's a hint: You're caught.  What you are presenting as true sometimes
>>>>>isn't, and in a number of cases it's been very easy to show this.
>>>>>
>>>>>By the way, Mr. McFee's German is rather more than adequate.
>>>>>
>>>>>So let's have your sources.
>>>>>
>>>>>-pk
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >> I just have better ways to spend my
>>>>>>>> >> time than scanning book pages that will simply be snipped or
>>>>>>>> >> rejected
>>>>>>>> >> by opponents who are after all here to disrupt, and not to 
>>>>>>>> >> discuss
>>>>>>>> >> anything. Everything I have said is a matter of public record, so
>>>>>>>> >> you
>>>>>>>> >> are free to do your own searching. Try to use original sources
>>>>>>>> >> rather
>>>>>>>> >> than the dreck from nizkor.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >Evasion noted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Evasion noted again.
>>>>>
>>> 
>


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On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:43:07 +0200, holman@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene
Holman) wrote:

>In article , "B.H. Cramer"
> wrote:
>
>> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message 
>> news:CZZsl.28452$UQ6.11601@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com...
>
>
>> Exactly. WHAT about the 6 million? That is what we've been asking for, old 
>> feller. You're beginning to get it.
>> >
>> > And what were they fleeing from?
>> 
>> They should have thought of the consequences of their having declared they 
>> were going to destroy Germany.
>
>A Jewish organization, one that not all Jews belonged to, "declared war"
>on Germany in retaliation for Germany having effectively declared war on
>Jews by passing harsh anti-Semitic. legislation and engaging in such
>activities as boycotting Jewish businesses and burning books written by
>Jews.

You're being awfully loose with the time-line here, Eugene. You seem
to be deliberately blurring the distinction between provocation and
reaction. The anti-German actions occurred BEFORE most of the
anti-Jewish actions.



> The important difference is that Germany had a military, the Jews of
>Germany and other countries did not.
>
>> Sensible people would have done so.
>> 
>> Loyal citizens would not have declared war on their host nation in the first 
>> instance.
>
>The Nuremberg Laws deprived German Jews of their citizenship. They could
>no longer be loyal citizens, even if they wanted to be.
>
>Neither does your position explain why the Germans were not content simply
>to off German Jews, but rather combed the continent from Norway to Estonia
>and from France to Ukraine, seeking out and destroying Jews. The widely
>accepted statistics for the Holocaust indicate that only 3% of the
>Holocaust victims were German Jews. Additionally, Germany encouraged its
>Jews to emigrate, and about half of them had done so before the war broke
>out in 1939. Many of them migrated to neighboring countries, particularly
>Belgium, the Netherlands, France, Denmark, Poland, Czechoslovakia, and
>Austria. Unfortunately for them, Nazi Gerany invaded all of these and many
>other countries, and after having established an occupation government,
>made ferreting out and killing Jews a top priority.
>
>Certain Jews may have symblically declared war on Germany as a justified
>response to Nazi anti-Jewish legislation, but the Jews as an entity never
>fired a single shot in their "war". All of the initiative came from the
>Germans and the Jews had no resources to fight back other than as
>partisans in Eastern Europe, who, like their Soviet, Polish, and Yugoslav
>compatriots, were defending their homelands, families, and property
>against marauding invaders.
>
>Regards,
>Eugene Holman


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On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:57:34 +1000, "B.H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:g97ar4l8102v5efkhk855re55d05bb6kp0@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 21:24:57 -0400, Gord McFee 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 3/8/2009 5:31 PM, Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 20:44:50 -0500, Gord McFee
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/7/2009 10:55 AM, Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as I know, there was exactly ONE "People's Court" and that
>>>>>> was the one headed by Justice Freisler in Berlin and was
>>>>>> essentially the supreme court under a different name.
>>>>> It wasn't the Supreme Court under a different name.  It was outside
>>>>> the normal court system as near as I can tell.
>>>>
>>>> Can you come up with something more substantial than Wikipedia for
>>>> your assertion? Technically, everything that was done was legal since
>>>>  the Enabling Act gave the Chancellor and President the power to
>>>> govern by proclamation. Anything that was said was law the moment it
>>>> was published in the Reichstag record. The Volksgericht was as legal
>>>> as any other court during the period. Obviously many of their
>>>> verdicts were purely political, but that certainly wasn't unique to
>>>> them. The postwar allied kangaroo courts were no better when it came
>>>> to political "justice".
>>>
>>>I wasn't trying to say that the Volksgerichtshof was illegal, just that
>>>it wasn't the Supreme Court.
>>
>> Article 105 of the German Constitution states: Extraordinary Courts
>> are prohibited.
>>
>> The Enabling Act allowed the President/Chancellor to enact laws
>> deviating from the constitution, but only if they did not impact the
>> powers of the Reichstag and Reichsrat. The courts are the business of
>> the Reichstag and the Reichsrat.
>
>You're wasting your time, Johannes.
>
>They do not want truth nor will they ever admit they are wrong. They are 
>contractually obliged to lie through their teeth.

It certainly does seem that way. They are here primarily to obstruct
and to intimidate.

>
>


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rOn Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:30:48 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:cq7ar4548n4c6h0h1uq2850gqp8daisi4o@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:19:51 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>news:l165r4psmsr08bhb3fq5k179athnkambec@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 16:18:34 -0500, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>>news:fef2r41vuaocoposc9r7ajto6etr5tm3hd@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Thu, 5 Mar 2009 17:16:57 -0500, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:r9kmq4d7st2nghks58nigevosm3cpos30q@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:01:20 -0500, Gord McFee 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 10:09:10 -0500, in
>>>>>>>>>, Johannes von Ebersdorf
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:54:07 -0500, Gord McFee
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:36:25 -0500, in
>>>>>>>>>> ><23adq4lakd1vsetj21jnrvtrra1edcdrfe@4ax.com>, Johannes von
>>>>>>>>>> >Ebersdorf
>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:29:42 -0500, Gord McFee
>>>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >[...]
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> Besides, there isn't much point to giving German-language
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> sources
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> to
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> this illiterate clown. It would just be a waste of my time.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> The
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> timing of both laws is a matter of public record, as are the
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> gross
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> allied excesses in postwar Germany. People were sick and 
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> tired
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> of
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> being exposed to allied caprice and of having no rights in
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> their
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> own
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> country.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >Then why are you terrified to post the German language 
>>>>>>>>>> >> >sources?
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> I'm not terrified of anything.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >You are terrified to post the German language sources that you
>>>>>>>>>> >claim
>>>>>>>>>> >exist.  Of course, we know why that is.  They don't exist.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yawn.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Like I said.  Thanks for providing the proof that your assertions 
>>>>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>>not supported by fact.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't care what you believe. I'm not involved in a debate with 
>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>> I know what I have said and written is true,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Except that in many cases, it isn't, and is easily shown to not be 
>>>>>>>true.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have yet to show that anything I have written is untrue,
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes,  I have done this.
>>>>>
>>>>>>  only that
>>>>>> it is at variance with allied propaganda. Allied propaganda is not the
>>>>>> anchor or reference point for truth.
>>>>>
>>>>>I showed, using British statistics that are in no way British 
>>>>>propaganda,
>>>>>that what you posted about British bomb vs. traffic deaths was untrue.
>>>>
>>>> You were playing word games
>>>
>>>No, I am showing that the figures you presented are false.
>>>
>>>You didn't check them, and now pretend that the fact that you got it
>>>completely backwards is inconsequential.
>>>
>>>And it isn't, because when you proceed to do exactly the same thing again,
>>>we can begin to perceive a pattern.
>>>
>>>> to deflect attention away from the fact
>>>> that British bombing fatalities were an order of magnitude lower than
>>>> those in Germany,
>>>
>>>That is not related in any way to the claim you made.
>>>
>>>But it's not surprising that you seek to alter the terms, given how wrong
>>>you turned out to be.
>>>
>>>> suggesting that allied efforts were directed against
>>>> people  and not against military facilities as they like to claim.
>>>>
>>>> The British bombing deaths were of the same order of magnitude as the
>>>> traffic total for the same period.
>>>
>>>This is a complete change from what your original claim, and has nothing
>>>whatsoever to do with what you originally suggested.
>>>
>>>Your original claim was simply that more people were killed in GB by 
>>>traffic
>>>than by bombs.
>>>
>>>Your claim, which was then shown to be wrong, is simply a comparison of 
>>>two
>>>numbers.
>>>
>>>In addition to being a completely unfounded and easily disproven claim, it
>>>refers in no way to the statistics in other countries.
>>>
>>>>>And it's clear that you decided to pretend that a lot fewer people were
>>>>>executed under color of law in Nazi Germany by deciding to ignore the
>>>>>People's Courts and their practice of judicial executions.
>>>>
>>>> As far as I know, there was exactly ONE "People's Court" and that was
>>>> the one headed by Justice Freisler in Berlin
>>>
>>>Friesler was the head of the Volksgerichtshof for three years, from 1942 
>>>to
>>>1945.   The Volksgerichtshof, however, was created in 1934.
>>>
>>>The Volksgerichtshof ran for eight years before Friesler was appointed.
>>>The preceding Judge-Presidents were Fritz Rehn (who died a few weeks after
>>>his appointment) and Otto Thierack (who ran it from 1936 to 1942, when he
>>>was appointed Reich Minister of Justice).
>>>
>>>The one following Friesler, who was killed in an air raid,  was Harry
>>>Haffner.   Haffner ran it from 12 March 1945 to 24 April 1945, two weeks
>>>before the Germans surrendered.
>>>
>>>So here, we see you again trying to manipulate the numbers and the history
>>>in the most blatant and obvious way, by excluding data you don't like.
>>>
>>>It's almost like you don't care if you get caught making things up.   And
>>>yet, you express a complete distrust for the historical record.
>>>
>>>> and was essentially the
>>>> supreme court under a different name.
>>>
>>>We'll come back to that odd suggestion later, because by acknowledging
>>>Friesler and claiming that it was "essentially the supreme court", you
>>>acknowledge that your original premise is false.
>>>
>>>Let's recap, shall we?
>>>
>>>In response to the suggestion that the Nazis had issued perhaps 30,000 
>>>death
>>>sentences under colour of law (and that this is the reason that the 
>>>postwar
>>>German state outlawed capital punishment), you put forward the idea that 
>>>the
>>>Supreme Court issued only *240 death sentences*, and that *only the 
>>>Supreme
>>>Court could issue death sentences* under color of law.
>>>
>>>Now you realize you have to include the Volksgerichtshof, because their
>>>existence was pointed out to you.
>>>
>>>However, during only the *three year* that Friesler was head of the
>>>Volksgerichtshof,  it issued more than *five thousand* death sentences.
>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Freisler
>>>
>>>Again, we see you being unable to determine which of two numbers, which
>>>happen to be thousands apart, is the larger.
>>>
>>>We are faced with two options here   Either:
>>>
>>>1) the People's Courts were part of the Supreme Court, in which case your
>>>suggestion of 240 death sentences is wrong by a very large degree, or
>>>
>>>2) they were not part of the Supreme Court and your suggestion that only 
>>>the
>>>Supreme Court could issue death sentences under colour of law is patently
>>>false.
>>>
>>>Which will you choose?
>>>
>>>Regardless of which one you pick, the numbers you presented are wrong and
>>>your original premise is shown to be unfounded.
>>
>> It is EXACTLY what I said earlier. The book I had seen posted the
>
>What book is this?
>
>> traffic deaths as slightly higher than the bombing deaths.
>
>It is wrong.   The traffic deaths are lower, by IIRC at least ten thousand.
>
>> The
>> difference between the two is not large,
>
>The difference is between 10 and 20 %.   It is significant.
>
>> so my point stands.
>
>Only in a world where a 5 is more than 6.
>
>Your "point" was allegedly that more British were killed in traffic than by 
>bombs, and British statistics show that this is not the case.
>
>Your point, and premise, are unfounded.
>
>> Your sophistry
>
>Do you even know what that word means?

Yes, I know exactly what it means, you illiterate buffoon.

>
>I am using facts.  You are not.
>
>> does not alter the fact that allied bombings were
>> essentially terrorist in nature
>
>That is your opinion.   And it is *only* an opinion.
>
>> while the German bombings were
>> primarily military in nature.
>
>That is an opinion, not a fact, and while it may be your opinion now, it in 
>no way supports your original claim - a claim that has been shown to be 
>wrong.
>
>In addition, it does not in any way support your claim that *only* the 
>German Supreme Court could issue death sentences, or that only 250 or so 
>were issued during the 12-year Reich.    Those claims have also been shown 
>to be very, very wrong.
>
>Instead, many thousands of death sentences were issued and executed by other 
>courts (including courts you had to admit existed)  under colour of law, and 
>it's most likely that it was *this* abuse of the German population *by its 
>own government* that caused the German population to choose to discard the 
>death penalty as soon as the Nazis were gone from power.

That is false. There were thousands of executions between 1945 and
1949. Capital punishment was abolished once the allies gave control
back to the German authorities in 1949. Nothing much changed on the
execution front between NS rule and allied rule.

>
>Your points, and premises, are shown to be unfounded.
>
>Again.
>
>-pk
>
>
>>
>>>
>>>Again.
>>>
>>>Hope this helps.
>>>
>>>-pk
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>So yes, I have certainly shown that you have written things that were
>>>>>untrue.
>>>>>
>>>>>Further, you now claim that I haven't done so, and I have shown that 
>>>>>that
>>>>>claim is also untrue.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Now, about those sources you are so reluctant to bring forth?
>>>>>
>>>>>-pk
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and that is ultimately
>>>>>>>> all that matters. Your belief or non-belief is irrelevant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Interestingly, all the protestations of "belief" are coming from you,
>>>>>>>whose
>>>>>>>pronouncements have been shown several times now to not be based on
>>>>>>>facts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Your position seems to be that people have told you things, and you 
>>>>>>>hold
>>>>>>>them to be true.   You won't provide sources to allow others to check.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you disagree that the earth orbits the sun for example, it makes 
>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>> difference. The earth orbits the sun regardless of your 
>>>>>>>> protestations
>>>>>>>> and rhetoric. It is the same with the various historical topics
>>>>>>>> discussed here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well, no, it isn't.   You are presenting some assertions as facts, and
>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>are misusing numbers to do this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If you assert that one number is higher than another, when the reverse
>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>clearly shown to be true, your assertion is not factually correct.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If you assert that the number of legally sanctioned executions in Nazi
>>>>>>>Germany was low, by excluding the numbers from the courts that issued
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>largest number of capital sentences, your assertions will likewise not
>>>>>>>be
>>>>>>>factually correct.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The people to whom I'm speaking have enough knowledge
>>>>>>>> to know that what I said was true.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And then there are those who checked the sources, and who know that it
>>>>>>>wasn't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Here's a hint: You're caught.  What you are presenting as true 
>>>>>>>sometimes
>>>>>>>isn't, and in a number of cases it's been very easy to show this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>By the way, Mr. McFee's German is rather more than adequate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So let's have your sources.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-pk
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >> I just have better ways to spend my
>>>>>>>>>> >> time than scanning book pages that will simply be snipped or
>>>>>>>>>> >> rejected
>>>>>>>>>> >> by opponents who are after all here to disrupt, and not to
>>>>>>>>>> >> discuss
>>>>>>>>>> >> anything. Everything I have said is a matter of public record, 
>>>>>>>>>> >> so
>>>>>>>>>> >> you
>>>>>>>>>> >> are free to do your own searching. Try to use original sources
>>>>>>>>>> >> rather
>>>>>>>>>> >> than the dreck from nizkor.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >Evasion noted.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Evasion noted again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> 
>


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On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:25:17 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:tuncr4pfo2b1020t7chsk2e7gg2in2624f@4ax.com...
>> rOn Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:30:48 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>news:cq7ar4548n4c6h0h1uq2850gqp8daisi4o@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:19:51 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>>news:l165r4psmsr08bhb3fq5k179athnkambec@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 16:18:34 -0500, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:fef2r41vuaocoposc9r7ajto6etr5tm3hd@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 5 Mar 2009 17:16:57 -0500, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>news:r9kmq4d7st2nghks58nigevosm3cpos30q@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:01:20 -0500, Gord McFee
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 10:09:10 -0500, in
>>>>>>>>>>>, Johannes von 
>>>>>>>>>>>Ebersdorf
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:54:07 -0500, Gord McFee
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:36:25 -0500, in
>>>>>>>>>>>> ><23adq4lakd1vsetj21jnrvtrra1edcdrfe@4ax.com>, Johannes von
>>>>>>>>>>>> >Ebersdorf
>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:29:42 -0500, Gord McFee
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >[...]
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> Besides, there isn't much point to giving German-language
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> sources
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> this illiterate clown. It would just be a waste of my 
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> time.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> The
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> timing of both laws is a matter of public record, as are 
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> gross
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> allied excesses in postwar Germany. People were sick and
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> tired
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> being exposed to allied caprice and of having no rights in
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> their
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> own
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> country.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >Then why are you terrified to post the German language
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >sources?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> I'm not terrified of anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >You are terrified to post the German language sources that you
>>>>>>>>>>>> >claim
>>>>>>>>>>>> >exist.  Of course, we know why that is.  They don't exist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yawn.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Like I said.  Thanks for providing the proof that your assertions
>>>>>>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>>>>not supported by fact.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't care what you believe. I'm not involved in a debate with
>>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>>> I know what I have said and written is true,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Except that in many cases, it isn't, and is easily shown to not be
>>>>>>>>>true.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You have yet to show that anything I have written is untrue,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes,  I have done this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  only that
>>>>>>>> it is at variance with allied propaganda. Allied propaganda is not 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> anchor or reference point for truth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I showed, using British statistics that are in no way British
>>>>>>>propaganda,
>>>>>>>that what you posted about British bomb vs. traffic deaths was untrue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You were playing word games
>>>>>
>>>>>No, I am showing that the figures you presented are false.
>>>>>
>>>>>You didn't check them, and now pretend that the fact that you got it
>>>>>completely backwards is inconsequential.
>>>>>
>>>>>And it isn't, because when you proceed to do exactly the same thing 
>>>>>again,
>>>>>we can begin to perceive a pattern.
>>>>>
>>>>>> to deflect attention away from the fact
>>>>>> that British bombing fatalities were an order of magnitude lower than
>>>>>> those in Germany,
>>>>>
>>>>>That is not related in any way to the claim you made.
>>>>>
>>>>>But it's not surprising that you seek to alter the terms, given how 
>>>>>wrong
>>>>>you turned out to be.
>>>>>
>>>>>> suggesting that allied efforts were directed against
>>>>>> people  and not against military facilities as they like to claim.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The British bombing deaths were of the same order of magnitude as the
>>>>>> traffic total for the same period.
>>>>>
>>>>>This is a complete change from what your original claim, and has nothing
>>>>>whatsoever to do with what you originally suggested.
>>>>>
>>>>>Your original claim was simply that more people were killed in GB by
>>>>>traffic
>>>>>than by bombs.
>>>>>
>>>>>Your claim, which was then shown to be wrong, is simply a comparison of
>>>>>two
>>>>>numbers.
>>>>>
>>>>>In addition to being a completely unfounded and easily disproven claim, 
>>>>>it
>>>>>refers in no way to the statistics in other countries.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>And it's clear that you decided to pretend that a lot fewer people 
>>>>>>>were
>>>>>>>executed under color of law in Nazi Germany by deciding to ignore the
>>>>>>>People's Courts and their practice of judicial executions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as I know, there was exactly ONE "People's Court" and that was
>>>>>> the one headed by Justice Freisler in Berlin
>>>>>
>>>>>Friesler was the head of the Volksgerichtshof for three years, from 1942
>>>>>to
>>>>>1945.   The Volksgerichtshof, however, was created in 1934.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Volksgerichtshof ran for eight years before Friesler was appointed.
>>>>>The preceding Judge-Presidents were Fritz Rehn (who died a few weeks 
>>>>>after
>>>>>his appointment) and Otto Thierack (who ran it from 1936 to 1942, when 
>>>>>he
>>>>>was appointed Reich Minister of Justice).
>>>>>
>>>>>The one following Friesler, who was killed in an air raid,  was Harry
>>>>>Haffner.   Haffner ran it from 12 March 1945 to 24 April 1945, two weeks
>>>>>before the Germans surrendered.
>>>>>
>>>>>So here, we see you again trying to manipulate the numbers and the 
>>>>>history
>>>>>in the most blatant and obvious way, by excluding data you don't like.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's almost like you don't care if you get caught making things up. 
>>>>>And
>>>>>yet, you express a complete distrust for the historical record.
>>>>>
>>>>>> and was essentially the
>>>>>> supreme court under a different name.
>>>>>
>>>>>We'll come back to that odd suggestion later, because by acknowledging
>>>>>Friesler and claiming that it was "essentially the supreme court", you
>>>>>acknowledge that your original premise is false.
>>>>>
>>>>>Let's recap, shall we?
>>>>>
>>>>>In response to the suggestion that the Nazis had issued perhaps 30,000
>>>>>death
>>>>>sentences under colour of law (and that this is the reason that the
>>>>>postwar
>>>>>German state outlawed capital punishment), you put forward the idea that
>>>>>the
>>>>>Supreme Court issued only *240 death sentences*, and that *only the
>>>>>Supreme
>>>>>Court could issue death sentences* under color of law.
>>>>>
>>>>>Now you realize you have to include the Volksgerichtshof, because their
>>>>>existence was pointed out to you.
>>>>>
>>>>>However, during only the *three year* that Friesler was head of the
>>>>>Volksgerichtshof,  it issued more than *five thousand* death sentences.
>>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Freisler
>>>>>
>>>>>Again, we see you being unable to determine which of two numbers, which
>>>>>happen to be thousands apart, is the larger.
>>>>>
>>>>>We are faced with two options here   Either:
>>>>>
>>>>>1) the People's Courts were part of the Supreme Court, in which case 
>>>>>your
>>>>>suggestion of 240 death sentences is wrong by a very large degree, or
>>>>>
>>>>>2) they were not part of the Supreme Court and your suggestion that only
>>>>>the
>>>>>Supreme Court could issue death sentences under colour of law is 
>>>>>patently
>>>>>false.
>>>>>
>>>>>Which will you choose?
>>>>>
>>>>>Regardless of which one you pick, the numbers you presented are wrong 
>>>>>and
>>>>>your original premise is shown to be unfounded.
>>>>
>>>> It is EXACTLY what I said earlier. The book I had seen posted the
>>>
>>>What book is this?
>>>
>>>> traffic deaths as slightly higher than the bombing deaths.
>>>
>>>It is wrong.   The traffic deaths are lower, by IIRC at least ten 
>>>thousand.
>>>
>>>> The
>>>> difference between the two is not large,
>>>
>>>The difference is between 10 and 20 %.   It is significant.
>>>
>>>> so my point stands.
>>>
>>>Only in a world where a 5 is more than 6.
>>>
>>>Your "point" was allegedly that more British were killed in traffic than 
>>>by
>>>bombs, and British statistics show that this is not the case.
>>>
>>>Your point, and premise, are unfounded.
>>>
>>>> Your sophistry
>>>
>>>Do you even know what that word means?
>>
>> Yes, I know exactly what it means, you illiterate buffoon.
>
>Then you should be aware that you are misusing it.
>
>
>>>I am using facts.  You are not.
>>>
>>>> does not alter the fact that allied bombings were
>>>> essentially terrorist in nature
>>>
>>>That is your opinion.   And it is *only* an opinion.
>>>
>>>> while the German bombings were
>>>> primarily military in nature.
>>>
>>>That is an opinion, not a fact, and while it may be your opinion now, it 
>>>in
>>>no way supports your original claim - a claim that has been shown to be
>>>wrong.
>>>
>>>In addition, it does not in any way support your claim that *only* the
>>>German Supreme Court could issue death sentences, or that only 250 or so
>>>were issued during the 12-year Reich.    Those claims have also been shown
>>>to be very, very wrong.
>>>
>>>Instead, many thousands of death sentences were issued and executed by 
>>>other
>>>courts (including courts you had to admit existed)  under colour of law, 
>>>and
>>>it's most likely that it was *this* abuse of the German population *by its
>>>own government* that caused the German population to choose to discard the
>>>death penalty as soon as the Nazis were gone from power.
>>
>> That is false. There were thousands of executions between 1945 and
>> 1949. Capital punishment was abolished once the allies gave control
>> back to the German authorities in 1949. Nothing much changed on the
>> execution front between NS rule and allied rule.
>
>Ah, so *now*, you aver that your initial claim was false.
>
>You had claimed that there were *not* thousands of executions under Nazi 
>rule, that there were only 250 or so.
>
>Now you claim that there were *thousands*.

Not at all, since the National Socialists were not in power during the
period 1945 to 1949. The allied hordes controlled the government.

>
>And so we finally see you admitting that this claim was not founded in 
>anything factual.
>
>Was that so hard?
>
>-pk
>
> 
>


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On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:08:56 +0200, holman@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene
Holman) wrote:

>In article ,
>ebersdorf@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:43:07 +0200, holman@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene
>> Holman) wrote:
>> 
>
>> >
>> >A Jewish organization, one that not all Jews belonged to, "declared war"
>> >on Germany in retaliation for Germany having effectively declared war on
>> >Jews by passing harsh anti-Semitic. legislation and engaging in such
>> >activities as boycotting Jewish businesses and burning books written by
>> >Jews.
>> 
>> You're being awfully loose with the time-line here, Eugene. 
>
>No I'm not. Hitler had built a career on anti-Semitism dating back more
>than a decade before actually comiong to power. The Jewish call to boycott
>Germany was a response to almost two months of having to live under
>Hitlerite governance.
>
>> You seem
>> to be deliberately blurring the distinction between provocation and
>> reaction. The anti-German actions occurred BEFORE most of the
>> anti-Jewish actions.
>
>Hitler had been publicly ranting and raving against Jews at least since
>his conversation with Josef Hell in 1922 and the publication of his *Mein
>Kampf* in 1925:
>
>A. Hitler's Conversation with Josef Hell, 1922:
>
>When Hell asked Hitler what he intended doing if he ever had full freedom
>of action against the Jews, his response was:
>
>"If I am ever really in power, the destruction of the Jews will be my
>first and most important job. As soon as I have power, I shall have
>gallows after gallows erected, for example, in Munich on the
>Marienplatz-as many of them as traffic allows. Then the Jews will be
>hanged one after another, and they will stay hanging until they stink.
>They will stay hanging as long as hygienically possible. As soon as they
>are untied, then the next group will follow and that will continue until
>the last Jew in Munich is exterminated. Exactly the same procedure will be
>followed in other cities until Germany is cleansed of the last Jew!"
>(quoted in John Toland, Adolf Hitler. London: Book Club Associates, 1977,
>p.116) Source:http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/genocide/statements.htm).
>
>B. Hitler in *Mein Kampf*:
>
>"If at the beginning of the War and during the War twelve or fifteen
>thousand of these Hebrew corrupters of the people had been held under
>poison gas, as happened to hundreds of thousands of our very best German
>workers in the field, th sacrifice of millions at the front would not have
>been in vain. On the contrary: twelve thousand scoundrels eliminated in
>time might have saved the lives of a million real Germans, valuable for
>the future." -- Vol. 2,
>chapter 15 of Hitler's "Mein Kampf",  1925. Source:
>http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv2ch15.html.
>
>Hitler assumed power on January 30, 1933. This was immediately followed by
>increased persection of Jews in Germany, speeches by Hitler and other Nazi
>leaders appealing to German patriotism and racial pride emphasizing that
>the Jews were parasites who were the source of all that was wrong in
>Germany, as well as by the beefing up of the SA and SS, police structures
>used to harass and persecute Jews. The Reichstag fire of February 27
>srrved as a pretext for measures to be taken giving Hitler dicatorial
>powers, a political change that began to be implemented immediately, being
>finalized with the passing of the Enabling Act of March 24, 1933.
>
>The "declaration of war", actually a call to the world to boycott German
>goods and services as a response to Nazi excesses, was announced on March
>24, 1933
>(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/09/DailyExpress_March1933_judeafrontpage.jpg),
>nearly two months after Hitler had assumed power and focused a significant
>amount of state power on the scapegoating and persecution of Jews. This
>alleged "declaration of war" by the Jews was actually a journalistic
>exaggeration that appears to have been limited to a single newspaper, the
>British Daily Express. The call was a ctually for an anti-German boycott.
>It was a reasonable response to more than a decade of anti-Jewish rantings
>by Adolf Hitler as well as to the fact that he had consolidated a position
>for himself that would actually enable him to implement the anti-Semitic
>agenda that he had long been threatening.
>
>Regards,
>Eugene Holman

Eugene, no government anywhere does very much during its first two
months in office because it doesn not have the means to do so.
Governments translate their agenda into action via the civil service,
and in the case of extremist regimes, the civil service must first be
brought on-side. That doesn't happen in two months.


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On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:54:26 +0200, holman@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene
Holman) wrote:

>In article , "B.H. Cramer"
> wrote:
>
>> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message 
>> news:Z9Etl.39677$9j5.14062@en-nntp-01.dc1.easynews.com...
>
>
>> > No, only a very few.  Most stayed, because they were unable to bugger
>> > off and were slaughtered by your Nazi heroes.
>> 
>> Horseshit. How many were left in Germany at war's commencement, old feller?
>
>About half of the roughly 650,000 Jews who had been living in Germany when
>Hitler came to power on January 30, 1933 succeeded in leaving that
>country. Most, however, settled in neighboring countries, such as France,
>the Netherlands, Belgium, Poland, Denmark, Czechoslovakia(!), and
>Austria(!!). Some 300 of them even found refuge in Finland. All of the
>countries listed above wound up being partially or totally absorbed by
>Germany, occupied by Germany, or militarily allied with Germany. Thus,
>dutifully leaving Germany before the war was not sufficient to avoid the
>Holocaust.

Actually Eugene, there were only about 200,000 Jews still resident in
Germany in January of 1939. The high point was not 650,000 but 100,000
fewer than your figure.

>
>A relatively small number of the Jews who were in Germany when WW II
>started fell victims to the Holocaust, the number given being usually in
>the range of 40,000 of the approximately 350,000 Jews still in Germany
>proper in September 1939. The figure is tricky to pin down more precisely,
>since tens of thousands of Jews had emigrated from Germany to Austria and
>Czechoslovakia between 1933 and 1939, but all of Austria and part of
>Czechoslovakia were absorbed into Germany in 1938, thus effectively
>neutralizing the emigration that those German Jews who had settled in the
>two countries had undergone.
>
>In any case, despite the fact that roughly half of the Jews who had been
>in Germany when Hitler and the Nazis came to power emigrated, extremely
>few of them succeeded in emigrating to a place as distant as Palestine,
>South Africa, China, Japan, Australia, or the Americas. To do so would
>have required extraordinary contacts, resources, and luck, since the Nazis
>confiscated virtually all of the property and assets of Jewish emigrants,
>sending them out ito the world virtually penniless with little more than
>the clothes they were wearing. The cost of travel and the vetting process
>for visas would have excluded all but those with extraordinary connections
>and resources from intercontinental travel. Palestine, immigration to
>which was regulated by an agreement reached between Nazi Germany and the
>British autorities, was seemingly the one exception, but the British
>favored young, healthy Jews willing to till the soil and the immigration
>quota was kept low for political reasons. Resistance to Jewish immigration
>from Germany to Palestine came from both within Palestine as well as from
>within German anti-Zionist Jewish circles. The Arab population in
>Palestine was increasingly concerned about its position as the number of
>Jewish immigrants increased, while anti-Zionist Jewish circles in Germany
>regarded giving in to Nazi pressure to rid Germany of Jews as morally
>indefensible. A worsening of the British-German relations upon which an
>ordered flow of Jews from Germany to Palestine depended during the 1930s
>eventually cut the flow off altogether. The increasing perception that
>Germany was a pariah nation, this becoming the widely held opinion after
>the nation-wide pogrom of November 9-10, 1938, the Night of Broken Glass,
>had the consequence that most countries refused to accept any more German
>Jews, while many of those Jews in Germany who, up until then, had been
>willing to give the Nazis the benefit of the doubt decided that it was
>imperative that they leave as soon as possible. This dilemma is aptly
>symbolized by the plight of the 936 mostly Jewish refugees on the SS St.
>Louis in May, 1939 in their effort to reach Cuba or the United States. All
>wanted to leave Germany, but none of the countries that they sought to
>enter would accept them. The ship wound up returning to Europe, and with
>the exception of the 288 refugees accepted by the UK, all wound up,
>despite their efforts to emigrate to a new continent, in countries
>occupied by or allied with Germany
>(http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?ModuleId=10005267).
>
>Most of the Jews who left Germany wound up settling in culturally familiar
>neighboring countries, hoping that Nazis would either disappear or evolve
>into something more tolerant. One of the reasons that the Holocaust
>continues to be such a controversial subject is that Germany went out of
>its way to gain access to territory that it had no legal right to occupy
>or ethnically cleanse in order to hunt down Jews, both those who had
>dutifully heeded the words of the Nazi government and left Germany as well
>as those who had nothing whatsoever to do with Germany but found
>themselves, like several thousand members of the Roman Catholic clergy and
>orders in Hungary, defined as Jews by race and/or ancestry according to
>Nazi doctrines and treated accordingly.
>
>
>
>Regards,
>Eugene Holman


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On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:43:06 +0200, holman@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene
Holman) wrote:

>In article , "B.H. Cramer"
> wrote:
>
>> "Eugene Holman"  wrote in message 
>> news:holman-1103091140310001@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...
>> > In article , "B.H. Cramer"
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Eugene Holman"  wrote in message
>> >> news:holman-1103091054260001@ke-hupnet61-27.hupnet.helsinki.fi...
>> >
>> > 
>> >>
>> >> Such a Holocaust(tm) already. The Nazis couldn't even rid Germany of 
>> >> theme.
>> >
>> > They had other things to do. Like fight an all-fronts war. You really
>> > ought to review your history before making such a fool of yourself.
>> 
>> But, but, but, but - the yids would have use believe that the ONLY reason 
>> for war was the Germans wanted to off all the yids of Europe.
>
>What nonsense!
>
>> YOU need to review history, sunschein.
>
>Most historians of WW II, whether Jews or not, agree that it was a
>continuation of and attempted payback for WW I. Germany thought that it
>had had victory in WW I snatched from its clutches by underhanded means,
>suffered humiliating and unacceptable terrtortial losses, and been saddled
>with onerous reparations. WW II was an attempt to undo the damage and
>restore Germany to what it thought was its rightful place as the premier
>European power. 

It still is the principal European power. Not that much has changed
since 1900. The two world wars failed to destroy Germany, the same as
the French-managed Thirty Years War failed to destroy Germany.

>
>This is not to say that the Jews were not an issue. Hitler's rhetoric
>claimed that the Jews were the ultimate cause of Germany's WW I defeat
>because they had convinced the US to enter the war at a crucial phase,
>injecting fresh blood into a conflict whose opponents had become
>war-weary. They were also blamed for war profiteering, the Treaty of
>Versailles, the social unrest and attempted communist takeovers in Germany
>immediately after the war, the Weimar Constitution, the hyperinflation of
>1923 and the subsequent collapse of the mark with the loss of most
>people's life savings, a disproportionately high representation in modern
>urban professions such as medicine, dentistry, law, financing, and
>education, domination and corruption of entertainment and the arts with
>pornography, sentimentality, and modernism. Hitler also blamed the Jews
>for capitalism, communism, and Christianity, the latter being a wily
>Jewish scam that encouraged Aryans to worship a Jewish god and a
>dysfunctional Jewish faily with a fatherless child and abandon the
>traditional Aryan values of ruthlessness, tenfold revenge, and maximum
>exploitation of the weak for compassion, forgiveness, and mercy.
>Paradoxically, Hitler viewed the USSR, Germany's most important trading
>partner during the late 1930s, as a Jewish vehicle for the racial and
>cultural undermining of the West.
>
>Hitler certainly had it in for the Jews. But nobody familiar with the
>events that led up to the outbreak of WW II, present company excepted, of
>course, would be so simpleminded as to claim that the reason for the war
>was to kill all the Jews in Europe. Restoration of German's great power
>status, revenge for the humiliation and territorial defeats suffered
>consequernt to WW I, and the effort to contain or even destroy Soviet
>communism were the primary reasons, even if Nazi race war propaganda
>taught that if the Jews were not killed first they would kill off their
>Aryan racial enemies in an Armageddon-like racial struggle for survival,
>der Überlebungskampf der arischen Rasse.
>
>
>
>Regards,
>Eugene Holman


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On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:09:27 -0400, Gord McFee 
wrote:

>On 3/10/2009 8:35 AM, B.H. Cramer wrote:
>
>> "Sara Salzman"  wrote in message 
>> news:catamont-F5C3FC.06553710032009@news-40.giganews.com...
>>> In article ,
>>> "B.H. Cramer"  wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Sara Salzman"  wrote in message
>>>> news:catamont-AD8FE7.23155807032009@news-40.giganews.com...
>>>>> In article ,
>>>>> "B.H. Cramer"  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:vOFsl.25183$UQ6.21710@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com...
>>>>>>> On 3/6/2009 10:27 PM, B. Cramer wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:mpp3r41sienmqjdesbclgvshrqkvt44lpr@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:03:13 +1000, in
>>>>>>>>> , "B. Cramer"
>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:2nZrl.16662$UQ6.4780@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com...
>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/3/2009 10:42 PM, B. Cramer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "z"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:1c19fef3-c0ab-4b53-8260-66086c1de61d@p11g2000yqe.googlegroups.c
>>>>>>>>>>>> om.
>>>>>>>>>>>> ..
>>>>>>>>>>>>  On Mar 3, 7:00 pm, "B. Cramer" 
>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why did you snip the content, deceitful little jew cunt?
>>>>>>>>>>> Because it is a complete fraud.
>>>>>>>>>> No it is not. You are a lying old turd.
>>>>>>>>> Rudolf is a complete fraud, right down to his names.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.holocaust-history.org/denial/nym.shtml
>>>>>>>> Idiot. He changed his names to try to keep ahead of the yids. He 
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>  very well aware they were bent on destroying him.
>>>>>>> He changed his name a lot so he could use one name as a scholarly
>>>>>>> source
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> support the writing of another name.  He was a complete fraud.
>>>>>> Hahahahahahahahaha.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why does it surprise me to see you create "facts" about this to 
>>>>>> support
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> nonsense. I guess it's part of the contractual obligations, huh?
>>>>>
>>>>> Then perhaps you will explain how taking the name of ANOTHER moronic
>>>>> denier was going to keep him from being "destroyed" by the yids?
>>>> No I can't. Unlike judges and jew lawyers, I'm unable to read people's
>>>> minds.
>>>>
>>>> Whatever Rudolf did wasn't effective, given he's now languishing in a 
>>>> German
>>>> gaol.
>>>>
>>> Very true. Rudolph broke the law, and went to jail.
>> 
>> He broke an unjust law. A law that protects a myth.
>
>Pretty stupid, wasn't he?

Not at all, since it is our civic duty to break unjust laws and
eventually sweep them away.


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On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:50:27 +1000, "B.H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Gord McFee"  wrote in message 
>news:fhEtl.33822$rp7.21020@en-nntp-02.dc1.easynews.com...
>> On 3/10/2009 2:36 AM, B.H. Cramer wrote:
>>
>>> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message 
>>> news:Iojtl.29778$UQ6.5406@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com...
>>>> On 3/9/2009 4:54 AM, B.H. Cramer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:CxZsl.31398$9j5.30890@en-nntp-01.dc1.easynews.com...
>>>>>> On 3/7/2009 9:42 PM, B.H. Cramer wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>> news:3%Fsl.27718$PS5.12572@en-nntp-07.dc1.easynews.com...
>>>>>>>> On 3/6/2009 10:42 PM, B. Cramer wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>>> news:r7q3r49vgbsgpgv79dcpls1ovddndspqqa@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 5 Mar 2009 23:03:48 -0800 (PST), in 
>>>>>>>>>> <2f7e39db-5d82-4be9-9e5b-180904ed1389@x13g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>  Warhol  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 5, 8:20 pm, RJ11  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> In article ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> B. Cramer  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (snip "Holocaust revisionism" drivel)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Deal with the facts, doper.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//bergen-belsen/image...http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//bergen-belsen/image...http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//ohrdruf/images/ohrd...http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//nordhausen/images/n...http://isurvived.org/Pictures_iSurvived-4/dachau-corpses.GIFhttp://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//buchenwald/images/b...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1673471.stm
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mass graves found at Nazi camp Researchers have discovered
>>>>>>>>>>>> seven mass graves at the Sobibor Nazi death camp in
>>>>>>>>>>>> north-eastern Poland.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The research team, which began its government-sponsored
>>>>>>>>>>>> investigation in the summer, said the graves -- the largest
>>>>>>>>>>>> of which is about half the size of a football pitch --
>>>>>>>>>>>> contain charred remains.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> RJ.
>>>>>>>>>>> The death camps Treblinka, Sobibor, and Belzec
>>>>>>>>>> [Rubbish deleted.]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.holocaust-history.org/operation-reinhard/
>>>>>>>>> Wow!  Using your own reference site as reference for your words,
>>>>>>>>> old feller.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Says the man incapable of even discussing the article, let alone 
>>>>>>>> disproving a single word in it
>>>>>>> Huh?  I've suggested you watch a particular documentary which puts
>>>>>>> paid to most of your Reinhard camps nonsense.
>>>>>> So you can't do it.  Why didn't you just say so?
>>>>> Why are you flapping around and floundering? Why are you being stupid?
>>>> So you can't do it.  Fine.  Dismissed.
>>>
>>> Still flapping. Still floundering. You're pathetic, old feller. Very, 
>>> very pathetic.
>>
>> I said, "dismissed".
>
>Who are you to give orders, old feller?
>
>You're just an old flapper.

Poor Gord is getting practice trying to command the ocean waves to
stop crashing onto the shore.

>
>
>
>>
>> -- 
>> Gord McFee
>> I'll write no line before its time
>>
>> Visit the Holocaust History Project
>> http://www.holocaust-history.org
>> 


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On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:27:00 +0200, holman@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene
Holman) wrote:

>In article <6e7gr4l9lo12sjla8pppv931kvccd2j4fg@4ax.com>,
>ebersdorf@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>> 
>> Eugene, no government anywhere does very much during its first two
>> months in office because it doesn not have the means to do so.
>
>Hitler's government was the exception that proves the rule. Within two
>months of coming into office, it had changed Germany from a functioning if
>flawed parliamentary democracy to a one-party dictatorship. He had
>elevated virulent anti-Semitism from the marginal realm of street thuggery
>and political fanaticism to a central element of state policy. This is the
>reason that a world Jewish organization was reported to have called for
>what was described in the media as an international boycott of Germany,
>exaggeratedly and sensationally reported in some newspapers, as  "Judea's
>declaration of war on Germany".  In actual fact, no such boycott was ever
>declared, much less implemented, nor did the "Jewish Board of Deputies",
>an organization representing the interests of British Jews and supposedly
>behind this "declaration", have the authority or resources to speak for
>all Jews or declare war or boycotts on any state. For details, see
>http://www.h-ref.de/feindbilder/juedische-kriegserklaerungen/daily-express.php.
>
>> Governments translate their agenda into action via the civil service,
>> and in the case of extremist regimes, the civil service must first be
>> brought on-side. That doesn't happen in two months.
>
>Nazi Germany was the exception. The Enabling Act (Ermächtigungsgesetz),
>the political call for which was a consequence of the February 27th fire
>at the Reichstag, was finally passed on March 23, 1933, after Hitler and
>his government had been in power for 52 days, completely changed the
>manner in which Germany was governed. It elevated Hitler from cancellor to
>Führer, allowing him to enact laws, even laws clearly in violation of the
>German constitution, by decree rather than subject proposals for them to
>parliamentary consent or control. For details, see e.g.

Wake up, Eugene. When Trudeau had the War Measures Act passed in 1972,
the government of Canada had the same powers as did Hitler after the
passing of the Enabling Act. Trudeau was entitled to govern by
proclamation, although the actual implementation was limited to
Quebec. All the parties in the Reichstag voted FOR the legislation,
except for the Social Democrats and the Communists, because they
believed that Germany was in the throes of an apprehended insurrection
and that emergency powers were needed. Up until the point, Hitler had
no dicatatorial powers.

>http://web.jjay.cuny.edu/~jobrien/reference/ob60.html.
>
>Summa summarum. Anyione familiar with the first two months of Hitler's
>government knows that fudamental and irreversible changes were made then
>in the manner in which the country was governed. A multiparty democracy
>was replaced by a one-party dictatorship that ruled by decree, had
>declared all other parties to be illegal, and passed legislation to ensure
>that it could not be removed from office. It is no wonder that Jewish
>organizations brought the attention of the world to these developments,
>which would obviously affect the Jews of Germany more than any other group
>in the country, and called for urgent international measures to constrain
>Hitlerite Germany immediately after its consolidation as an instrument for
>implementing the Hitler's agenda, expressed in the most general terms to
>journalist Josef Hell as early as 1922:
>
>"If I am ever really in power, the destruction of the Jews will be my
>first and most important job. As soon as I have power, I shall have
>gallows after gallows erected, for example, in Munich on the
>Marienplatz-as many of them as traffic allows. Then the Jews will be
>hanged one after another, and they will stay hanging until they stink.
>They will stay hanging as long as hygienically possible. As soon as they
>are untied, then the next group will follow and that will continue until
>the last Jew in Munich is exterminated. Exactly the same procedure will be
>followed in other cities until Germany is cleansed of the last Jew!"
>(quoted in John Toland, Adolf Hitler. London: Book Club Associates, 1977,
>p.116) Source:http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/genocide/statements.htm).
>
>Regards,
>Eugene Holman


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On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:25:48 +0200, holman@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene
Holman) wrote:

>In article , "B.H. Cramer"
> wrote:
>
>> "Eugene Holman"  wrote in message 
>> news:holman-1203091213090001@ke-hupnet61-27.hupnet.helsinki.fi...
>> > In article , "B.H. Cramer"
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Eugene Holman"  wrote in message
>> >> news:holman-1103091614150001@ke-hupnet61-27.hupnet.helsinki.fi...
>> > 
>> >
>> >> What death camps?
>> >
>> > The ones erected in Poland for the sole purpose of implementing the Final
>> > Solution of the Jewish Question in Europe discretely and with industrial
>> > efficiency.
>> 
>> Ah!  Those old things? The "death camps" none of you clods has ever been 
>> able to prove existed.
>> 
>> Those "death camps" associated with the "final solution" you clods have 
>> never been able to prove existed.
>
>Given that hundreds of people have been tried and sentenced for the work
>that they carried ut at these death factories, their existence has been
>demonstrate to the extent that neither the perpetrators nor the survivors
>ever challenged their existence in court.

Even larger numbers of people have been convicted of witchcraft in the
past, but that fact hardly establishes the existence of witches.

> 
>> > Specifically Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibor, and Trebinka. The ones
>> > that have been the subjects of numerous trials leadig to convictions since
>> > the 1940s.
>> 
>> Sure have. With all the "evidence" for the yids' side taken on judicial 
>> notice.
>
>The concept of "judicial notice" isirrelevant when talking about the
>trials held in the German Federal Republic. A facility planned, designed,
>constructed, maintained, staffed, administered, and supplied by one state
>bureaucracy, the RSHA, and provided with victims by another, the *Deutsche
>Reichsbahn*, while contributing a profit to yet a third one, the
>*Reichsbank*,  is going to leave a colossal paper trail, particularly
>considering the fact that all four of the *Aktion Reinhard* camps
>"processed" several hundred thousands of people. The German government,
>which has been the most vigorous entity to try the people who ran these
>facilities, has the archival evidence providing detailed information about
>the day-to-day operations of these places.
>
>> > One of them, Sobibor, is particularly well known due to the
>> > massive and well docuented prisoner-led revolt that took place there on
>> > October 14, 1943.
>
>> Which in now way proves it was a "death camp."
>
>The revolt allowed hundreds of people to escape, several of whom were
>fortunate enough to survive the war. Lieutenant Aleksander Pechersy
>(http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/revolt/pechersky.html), who
>planned and led the successful revolt at Sobibor, was in a position to
>know what the camp was and what was going on there. He survived the war
>and testified at several Sobibor-related trials. So did Toivi Blatt
>(http://www.sobibor.info/), who wrote a book and served as a consultant
>for a film about the camp and the revolt .
>
>The existence of the Sobibor death camp and the historicity of the massive
>and unprecedented revolt there that left its SS staff and most of the
>Ukrainian guards there dead, and allowed more than five hundred people to
>escape, is not a matter of "judicial notice". For more information, see
>http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocaust/aa042699.htm.
>
>Regards,
>Eugene Holman


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On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:40:36 +1000, "B.H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message 
>news:qtSdnX1a_vFb4yXUnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@supernews.com...
>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>> news:5v7gr4hqosi7sfvupdrndjrfemrq12f393@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:09:27 -0400, Gord McFee 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 3/10/2009 8:35 AM, B.H. Cramer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Sara Salzman"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:catamont-F5C3FC.06553710032009@news-40.giganews.com...
>>>>>> In article ,
>>>>>> "B.H. Cramer"  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Sara Salzman"  wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:catamont-AD8FE7.23155807032009@news-40.giganews.com...
>>>>>>>> In article ,
>>>>>>>> "B.H. Cramer"  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:vOFsl.25183$UQ6.21710@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com...
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/6/2009 10:27 PM, B. Cramer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:mpp3r41sienmqjdesbclgvshrqkvt44lpr@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:03:13 +1000, in
>>>>>>>>>>>> , "B. Cramer"
>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:2nZrl.16662$UQ6.4780@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/3/2009 10:42 PM, B. Cramer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "z"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:1c19fef3-c0ab-4b53-8260-66086c1de61d@p11g2000yqe.googlegroups.c
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> om.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On Mar 3, 7:00 pm, "B. Cramer" 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why did you snip the content, deceitful little jew cunt?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because it is a complete fraud.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No it is not. You are a lying old turd.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rudolf is a complete fraud, right down to his names.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.holocaust-history.org/denial/nym.shtml
>>>>>>>>>>> Idiot. He changed his names to try to keep ahead of the yids. He
>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>  very well aware they were bent on destroying him.
>>>>>>>>>> He changed his name a lot so he could use one name as a scholarly
>>>>>>>>>> source
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> support the writing of another name.  He was a complete fraud.
>>>>>>>>> Hahahahahahahahaha.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why does it surprise me to see you create "facts" about this to
>>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> nonsense. I guess it's part of the contractual obligations, huh?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then perhaps you will explain how taking the name of ANOTHER moronic
>>>>>>>> denier was going to keep him from being "destroyed" by the yids?
>>>>>>> No I can't. Unlike judges and jew lawyers, I'm unable to read 
>>>>>>> people's
>>>>>>> minds.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whatever Rudolf did wasn't effective, given he's now languishing in a
>>>>>>> German
>>>>>>> gaol.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Very true. Rudolph broke the law, and went to jail.
>>>>>
>>>>> He broke an unjust law. A law that protects a myth.
>>>>
>>>>Pretty stupid, wasn't he?
>>>
>>> Not at all, since it is our civic duty to break unjust laws and
>>> eventually sweep them away.
>>
>> That would be more convincing if Rudolph hadn't fled the few months 
>> penalty, and then promptly demonstrated that he didn't have any regard for 
>> the laws of the US, either.
>
>
>What has this to do with the fact he was yarded because the yids found him 
>troublesome, keenan?
>
>Why do you continuously move the goal posts, you despicable cunt?

She has no choice, since otherwise she has no argument.

>


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On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 21:37:25 +0100, ZuLu  wrote:

>Eugene Holman escribió:
>> In article <49b94331@news.x-privat.org>, ZuLu  wrote:
>> 
>>> Kenneth McVay OBC escribió:
>>>> In article <4rStl.17476$PH1.3288@edtnps82>,
>>>> Truthseeker  wrote:
>>>>> Who will they attack or victimize next to keep the holosaga alive.
>> All they 
>>>>> have to do is finger someone and start their propaganda machine.
>>>> If by "they" you mean the Government of Germany, "they" will arrest and
>>>> charge anyone the evidence says is a mass murderer.
>>> Evidences or, as usual, convenient "eyewitnesses testimonies"?
>>>
>>> It seems that to find that kind of "eyewitnesses" who are ready to swear
>> anything 
>>> under oath is not a big issue to the Wiesenthal Center.
>>>
>>> An exemplary case where a poor innocent man can have his life ruined by
>>> hate and false testimonies.
>> 
>> Not even Demjanjuk has argued that he is "a poor innocent man". He has
>> never had difficulty admitting that he was a soldiuer in the Red Army,
>> became a POW, and, in German captivity, volunteered to work as a so-called
>> Ukrainian guard at concentration camps.
>> 
>> His defense has always been based on the premise that the only way that he
>> could have survived would have been to dutifully carry out the orders
>> given to him. The degree to which carrying out obviously criminal orders
>> as the only alternative to being killed has been a controversial issue
>> ever since the first war crimes trials. Given Demjanjuk's age and what he
>> has already been through, I regard harassing him any longer as
>> unnecessary. Nevertheless, he påovides us with one of the last
>> opportunities to see the kind of moral dilemmas men of his generation were
>> forced to live with.
>> 
>> I see no need to try and sentence him yet again. But I do think he could
>> do us all a favor by testifying in detail about where he was and what he
>> was forced to do.
>> 
>> 
>
>So, he admitted to have been a guard in a concentration camp, so, what more?
>
>Will Germany put in trial all former US guards at Eisenhower' camps also?
>
>Will all US people who worked at Guantanamo be brought to an International Court?

Americans can do whatever they wish. They are exempt from
international law and from war crimes provisions. They are truly
exceptional, and only ordinary mortals need to be concerned about such
details as laws and fundamental decency.



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On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:58:33 -0400, Don  wrote:

>ZuLu wrote
>> See "GAS CHAMBERS WHICH SECRET ??? BWAAAAAH !!!!!" by zulu.
>> 
>
>Why do you like Hitler? 

Have you stopped molesting your children?



>  Is it because he was a "winner"?
>
>My father, my mother and all of my uncles, cousins fought him.   And when they 
>were 30.  Many of their friends from high school were already dead because 
>they fought Hitler.
>
>What have you done for Hitler lately?


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On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 13:07:48 -0400, Don  wrote:

>TallHenry wrote
>>        If someone spends his life knowingly telling lies in
>> order to make Hitler appear better,  he must be doing it because
>> he likes Hitler.
>> 
>
>I get a blast from guys like Neil Harrington who get their backs up when 
>people bad mouth Hitler!


You seem to be totally irrational. Nobody except you has even
mentioned Hitler.

>
>I suppose that it's not fashionable in his circle of friends.


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On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 21:22:54 -0700, Greg Carr 
wrote:

>On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:09:49 -0400, Scott Bradshit
> wrote:
>
>>B.H. Cramer wrote
>>> 
>>> They welcome  zionazis. Strange, innit?
>>> 
>>> 
>>
>>Look at the little Zhid whine.
>>
>>Heil Hitler!
>>
>>
>>Why can't you be white like Hitler?
>
>Hitler wasn't even German and fathered no children for the Reichland.
>Oddly enough neither did any of his siblings.

Austria was a part of Germany (Heiliges Römisches Reich Deutscher
Nation) since the 9th century. There is no fundamental difference
between Austrians and Germans. Ethnically, the Austrians are
Bavarians, the area from which they settled what is today Austria.
Incidentally, illiterate buffoon, the term Reich has nothing to do
with Nazis or the period from 1933 to 1945. It has been in use since
AD 768 to refer to Germany.




>----------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>The following is my sig file updated as of 14th of Kislev, 5769:
>
>
>We are awaiting the return of our JHVH in the flesh or his Son. His Son Yu'shua died on the cross for our sins, was resurrected and walked the earth for awhile then ascended unto Heaven. We await the Third Coming not the Second.
>
>Scottish Quaker Robert Barclay-"The weighty Truths of God were neglected, and, as it were, went into Desuetude. ...
>
>Who will be the last Coalition soldier to be maimed in Iraq?
>
>Canadian troops out of Afghanistan and into Darfur.http://www.amnesty.ca/instantkarma/petition.php
>
>Good luck to anyone trying to learn Hebrew. I am looking for a Hebrew-Gregorian calendar in both Hebrew and English lettering.
>
>I am looking for my missing automobile. Left in the care of Low's Tire (Firestone) on King George Hwy which has since gone out of business. A man who claimed to be a tow truck driver named Jerry (sounded Black) called me and said he had it
>but when I called him back he denied it. JVD-298 "89 Plymouth Reliant white with red interior. Devellis in lettering on the rear trunk. Contact me by email or the GRC if you are one of those ppl. Am looking for the address of Dave Reynolds and any info about him. He used to run Low's Tires and since he refuses to answer his email lowstire@telus.net I can only assume he is the person who stole my vehicle and the contents in it. I have talked to the new owners and they claim to know nothing.
>3P3BK41D9KT921716 is the vin number. Dave Reynolds still has a valid email lowstire@telus.net but refuses to return my inquiries.Any info about this thief is appreciated.
>
>I am also looking for various books and CD's that I have discovered missing. All are marked Greg Carr on the inside cover or somewhere in the CD booklet. $5 reward for each CD and for each book. Will pay $200 for info regarding how they disappeared because I honestly don't know.
>
>u8m854p98su072q3l8chiss3t0lcr0­5fo0@4ax.com is a post of mine about the liar and police agent Gordon Sauck. It has been censored by Google Groups.
>
>Jonathon Gregory and Craig Wong are thieves and liars and smokers.They live at 344 E.Hastings St. They call and lie to Vancouver Police and the Landlord-Tenancy Branch.
>
>Mike Poirier is HA and works at DPS at 817 Denman St. This company is such a bunch of liars that besides stealing from ppl they claim to be 100% Cdn owned on their signs when in fact they are owned by a rich man in Seattle. You anti-semitic types might like to know the man is a Jew. Poirier is a liar and perjurer and he attacks ppl for no reason and then calls Vancouver Police if he loses. 
>
>DPS 817 Denman St
>V6G 2L7 Canada
>(604) 681-8797 
>(604) 684-0329 Fax
>vanbc@diamondparking.com
>
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>P.O. Box 3055
>Vancouver, BC V6B 3X5 Canada
>Canada
>
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>mike.poirier@diamondparking.com
>
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>
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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:17:10 +1000, "B.H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Eugene Holman"  wrote in message 
>news:holman-1503091237530001@ke-hupnet52-26.hupnet.helsinki.fi...
>> In article , "B.H. Cramer"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> "Eugene Holman"  wrote in message
>>> news:holman-1503090938450001@ke-hupnet52-26.hupnet.helsinki.fi...
>> 
>>> >
>>> > And what, pray tell, is difficult accepting Karl Frenzel's and Hans
>>> > Münch's independent statements that during WW II while working at 
>>> > Sobibor
>>> > and Auschwitz-Birkenau, respectively, they were involved in the
>>> > implementation of a state-sponsored program, the objective of which was
>>> > the extermination of the Jews of Europe, with priority given to women 
>>> > with
>>> > children, children, and elderly people unable to contribute to the 
>>> > German
>>> > war effort, this including capturing, killing, and disposing of the 
>>> > bodies
>>> > of even more Jews?
>>>
>>> Because it's b'ollocks. None of this shit has ever been proved.
>>
>> ...to your impossibly high and selectively applied standards. It was
>> certainly proved to such a high standard that SS-Oberscharfuhrer Karl
>> Frenzel sat sixteen years for it and never claimed that he had been
>> imprisoned on trumped up charges.
>
>Had he whined he would have been hanged.

That is no doubt what he feared. The allies had instituted a veritable
reign of terror in postwar Germany.
>
>
>>
>>> > Source:
>>> >
>> http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/m/muench-hans/swedish-television-interview.html
>>> >
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > ST: What was the ideology?
>>> >
>>> > M: Simply National Socialism, as expounded by [Alfred] Rosenberg. The
>>> > Germanic race was the future of the world and a guarantee against
>>> > corruption and mismanagement and for keeping our Europe pure. The root
>>> > cause of every evil in culture, of every degeneracy was the Jews, which 
>>> > is
>>> > clear from the fact that the Jews weren't tolerated already in the 
>>> > Middle
>>> > Ages. There must have been good reasons to put them into ghettos. There
>>> > were constant pogroms, not only in Germany, in the whole of Europe. 
>>> > That
>>> > is because the Jewish race is a destructive factor. There is no
>>> > development, no peace, nothing worth living for when the Jews have a
>>> > finger in the pie.
>>> >
>>> > ST: Therefore they must be exterminated?
>>> >
>>> > M: Because it hasn't succeeded so far in spite of all the severe 
>>> > measures,
>>> > but they continually take hold of decisive posts in the economy, in the
>>> > state, in cultural life. It has to be stopped. That can be done only by
>>> > total physical extermination.
>>>
>>> Blah blah blah blah. All waffle, yougenie.
>>
>> Not waffle, Benjie, but meat and potatoes.
>
>Nope. Meat and potatoes is a man thing, yougenie. You don't qualify.
>
>
>


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On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 15:13:23 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
 wrote:

>On Mar 14, 5:59 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 21:37:25 +0100, ZuLu  wrote:
>> >Eugene Holman escribió:
>> >> In article <49b94...@news.x-privat.org>, ZuLu  wrote:
>>
>> >>> Kenneth McVay OBC escribió:
>> >>>> In article <4rStl.17476$PH1.3288@edtnps82>,
>> >>>> Truthseeker  wrote:
>> >>>>> Who will they attack or victimize next to keep the holosaga alive.
>> >> All they
>> >>>>> have to do is finger someone and start their propaganda machine.
>> >>>> If by "they" you mean the Government of Germany, "they" will arrest and
>> >>>> charge anyone the evidence says is a mass murderer.
>> >>> Evidences or, as usual, convenient "eyewitnesses testimonies"?
>>
>> >>> It seems that to find that kind of "eyewitnesses" who are ready to swear
>> >> anything
>> >>> under oath is not a big issue to the Wiesenthal Center.
>>
>> >>> An exemplary case where a poor innocent man can have his life ruined by
>> >>> hate and false testimonies.
>>
>> >> Not even Demjanjuk has argued that he is "a poor innocent man". He has
>> >> never had difficulty admitting that he was a soldiuer in the Red Army,
>> >> became a POW, and, in German captivity, volunteered to work as a so-called
>> >> Ukrainian guard at concentration camps.
>>
>> >> His defense has always been based on the premise that the only way that he
>> >> could have survived would have been to dutifully carry out the orders
>> >> given to him. The degree to which carrying out obviously criminal orders
>> >> as the only alternative to being killed has been a controversial issue
>> >> ever since the first war crimes trials. Given Demjanjuk's age and what he
>> >> has already been through, I regard harassing him any longer as
>> >> unnecessary. Nevertheless, he påovides us with one of the last
>> >> opportunities to see the kind of moral dilemmas men of his generation were
>> >> forced to live with.
>>
>> >> I see no need to try and sentence him yet again. But I do think he could
>> >> do us all a favor by testifying in detail about where he was and what he
>> >> was forced to do.
>>
>> >> 
>>
>> >So, he admitted to have been a guard in a concentration camp, so, what more?
>>
>> >Will Germany put in trial all former US guards at Eisenhower' camps also?
>>
>> >Will all US people who worked at Guantanamo be brought to an International Court?
>>
>> Americans can do whatever they wish. They are exempt from
>> international law and from war crimes provisions. They are truly
>> exceptional, and only ordinary mortals need to be concerned about such
>> details as laws and fundamental decency.
>
>How many counts of murder should the former crew of the 'Enola Gay' be
>charged with?

That particular civilian atrocity has the support of the bulk of
brainwashed Americans. Had Germans done such a thing, then there would
have been no end to the outcry.


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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:05:26 +0100, ZuLu  wrote:

>RJ11 escribió:
>> In article <49bc2906$1@news.x-privat.org>, ZuLu   wrote:
>> 
>>> My family fought Hitler in the Resistance, moron, 
>> 
>>    Prove it,  nazi turd.
>> 
>
>The nazi is YOU there, and an IDIOT ONE, which is even worst.

RJ11 seldom has anything useful to say. He is best put on a filter so
that his nonsense stops cluttering your screen.


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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:15:03 -0400, "Neil Harrington" 
wrote:

>
>"Heinrich"  wrote in message 
>news:7248jgFnvovhU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "RJ11"  schreef in bericht 
>> news:gpiq1m$ao7$1@pcls6.std.com...
>>>
>>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//bergen-belsen/images/belsen01.jpg
>>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//bergen-belsen/images/belsen02.jpg
>>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//ohrdruf/images/ohrdruf-02.jpg
>>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//nordhausen/images/nordhausen-01.jpg
>>> http://isurvived.org/Pictures_iSurvived-4/dachau-corpses.GIF
>>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//buchenwald/images/buchenwald01.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>>   http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1673471.stm
>>>
>>>   Mass graves found at Nazi camp
>>> Researchers have discovered seven mass graves at the Sobibor Nazi
>>> death camp in north-eastern Poland.
>>>
>>>   The research team,  which began its government-sponsored investigation
>>> in the summer,  said the graves -- the largest of which is about half
>>> the size of a football pitch -- contain charred remains.
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>> RJ.
>>
>> get a life rj.
>
>RJ belongs in your killfile. That's where I have him and believe me, it 
>greatly reduces the amount of worthless trash cluttering up the newsgroup. 
>
RJ11 does indeed represent a huge amount of clutter on the computer
screen.


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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:23:57 +0000 (UTC), m-weber
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Neil Harrington  wrote:
>
>> RJ belongs in your killfile. That's where I have him and believe me, it 
>> greatly reduces the amount of worthless trash cluttering up the newsgroup. 
>
>Why do you consider physical evidence to the Holocaust "worthless trash"?
>
>Here is his post again.  Can you deal with it?

Looking for truth at Nizkor is rather like looking for a fair, factual
appraisal of Palestinians on a website organized by A. Sharon.

Nizkor is a partisan propaganda site where truth is seldom to be
found.

>
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//bergen-belsen/images/belsen01.jpg
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//bergen-belsen/images/belsen02.jpg
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//ohrdruf/images/ohrdruf-02.jpg
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//nordhausen/images/nordhausen-01.jpg
>http://isurvived.org/Pictures_iSurvived-4/dachau-corpses.GIF
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//buchenwald/images/buchenwald01.jpg
>
>
>   http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1673471.stm
>
>   Mass graves found at Nazi camp
>Researchers have discovered seven mass graves at the Sobibor Nazi
>death camp in north-eastern Poland.
>
>   The research team,  which began its government-sponsored investigation
>in the summer,  said the graves -- the largest of which is about half
>the size of a football pitch -- contain charred remains.
>
>   


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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:44:50 -0400, "Neil Harrington" 
wrote:

>
>"m-weber"  wrote in message 
>news:gpivhd$6od$1@pcls4.std.com...
>> In article ,
>> Neil Harrington  wrote:
>>
>>> RJ belongs in your killfile. That's where I have him and believe me, it
>>> greatly reduces the amount of worthless trash cluttering up the 
>>> newsgroup.
>>
>> Why do you consider physical evidence to the Holocaust "worthless trash"?
>
>The only "physical evidence" for the mythology is the "gas chamber" at 
>Auschwitz which is admitted by their director to be a fake. All the rest is 
>just fairy tales. Not a single functional gas chamber or a single gassed 
>corpse has ever been found, despite the enormous efforts expended to 
>discover an example of either. The "six million murdered Jews" fable of 
>course has already been thoroughly debunked as a mathematical impossibility.
>
The fact that no gassed corpse has ever been found sounds suspiciously
like the WW1 propaganda about the Belgian children whose hands were
allegedly cut off by German soldiers. Not one of them was ever found
either, in that case because the whole story was a British fable.


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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:54:35 +0000 (UTC), m-weber
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Neil Harrington  wrote:
>
>> "m-weber"  wrote in message 
>> news:gpivhd$6od$1@pcls4.std.com...
>
>>> In article ,
>>> Neil Harrington  wrote:
>
>>> Why do you consider physical evidence to the Holocaust "worthless trash"?
>
>> The only "physical evidence" for the mythology is the "gas chamber" 
>
>What about the mass graves?
>
>> at Auschwitz which is admitted by their director to be a fake. 
>
>Well,  no,  he never admitted that.  Plus,  there are cyanide
>compounds in the walls of the gas chambers.
>
>> All the rest is just fairy tales. 
>
>All the documents,  all the testimonies -- "just fairy tales"? 
>
>Why?
>
>> The "six million murdered Jews" fable of 
>> course has already been thoroughly debunked as a mathematical
>> impossibility.
>
>What "mathematical impossibility"?  Please elaborate.
>
>Don't you "revisionist" folks claim that "over a million" German
>POWs died in Allied camps?  Where is the physical evidence for
>that,  pray tell?

The last is fairly simple, since the Wehrmacht was aware of how many
of its members were alive on May 8, 1945 and how many were alive once
control was returned to German authorities in 1949. There is a
multiple-million person discrepancy. Some of it can be attributed to
Soviet crimes, but much of the rest to the USA and France.

The fate of German POWs has been extrensively treated by impartial
writers such as the Canadian, James Bacques, who has no axe to grind,
whereas his opponents tend to be hagiographers for D.W. Eisenhower in
particular and the American war effort in general. Sources such as
Nizkor I take with a grain of salt because it is obviously a partisan
site dedicated to spreading anti-German hate-propaganda.

It is interesting to note how inconsistent Americans rate the deaths
of 380 people at Coventry to be a war crime but the deaths of more
than 100,000 civilians at Hiroshima to be justified. It is a
combination of American racism and their pompous, sanctimonious
hypocrisy.



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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:34:19 +0000 (UTC), m-weber
 wrote:

>In article <724nc0Fms8kaU1@mid.individual.net>,
>Heinrich  wrote:
>
>> weber, a good advice for you: take a root beer and shut up 
>
>Can we compromise?  I'll take the root beer,  but I will
>not shut up.  Is that acceptable to you?

You can babble all you want, but you may shortly no longer have an
audience. That is the wonderful thing about filters in most Usenet
reading software.


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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:23:14 +0000 (UTC), m-weber
 wrote:

>In article <724r94Fo1i5oU1@mid.individual.net>,
>Heinrich  wrote:
>
>> "m-weber"  schreef in bericht 
>> news:gpjamb$35s$1@pcls4.std.com...
>
>>> Can we compromise?  I'll take the root beer,  but I will
>>> not shut up.  Is that acceptable to you?
>
>> oke as long as you refrain from posting links which already
>> have been posted by the clown rj 
>
>Why?  I don't understand the logic in this request.

The logic lies in the avoidance of unnecessary and irritating clutter
devoid of meaning.

I know how to get to Nizkor and I need neither RJ11 nor you to show me
the contents by posting links. I do not trust Nizkor as an historical
source because it is simply too blatantly partisan and it is managed
by somebody with no education in general and no training as either an
historian or an archivist. McVay comes across to me as a pro-Zionist
version of Julius Streicher or E. Ehrenburg of Stalinist infamy.



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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:20:07 +0000 (UTC), m-weber
 wrote:

>In article <724s8oFo2u8sU1@mid.individual.net>,
>Heinrich  wrote:
>
>> just do as you are requested. if you donot understand the logic this does 
>> not matter for as long as you obey orders. rj is a poor lonely son of a 
>> bitch who shos his frustration  on every ocassion and most posterts in this 
>> ng are fed up with his stupid urls. shalom 
>
>Can you provide an example of these URL's you're so afraid of?  This
>is downright fascinating.

Nobody is "afraid" of them, but we have all seen the junk before and
it just represents clutter that contributes nothing to the discussion.


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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 12:14:38 -0700 (PDT), drahcir
 wrote:

>On Mar 15, 11:44 am, "Neil Harrington"  wrote:
>> "m-weber"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:gpivhd$6od$1@pcls4.std.com...
>>
>> > In article ,
>> > Neil Harrington  wrote:
>>
>> >> RJ belongs in your killfile. That's where I have him and believe me, it
>> >> greatly reduces the amount of worthless trash cluttering up the
>> >> newsgroup.
>>
>> > Why do you consider physical evidence to the Holocaust "worthless trash"?
>>
>> The only "physical evidence" for the mythology is the "gas chamber" at
>> Auschwitz which is admitted by their director to be a fake. All the rest is
>> just fairy tales. Not a single functional gas chamber or a single gassed
>> corpse has ever been found, despite the enormous efforts expended to
>> discover an example of either. The "six million murdered Jews" fable of
>> course has already been thoroughly debunked as a mathematical impossibility.
>
>Everyone, even you, is entitled to be an idiot. No one cares what an
>idiot like you does or says. Any idiot can say anything on usenet -
>it's easy. Anyone living in a cave who actually needs proof that neil
>is an idiot need only see here:

LOL

If you actually believe what you have written, then there is no
logical reason for you to be here whining hysterically at Neil. Your
hysteria and personal insults show that you actually believe that Neil
might be too effective.



>http://tinyurl.com/cspl8e
>
>It speaks for itself.


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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 06:24:30 -0700 (PDT), mirjam@actcom.co.il wrote:

>On Mar 15, 12:19 pm, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>> Slowly ever so slowly, the Holocaust lie is beginning to crumble away. The
>> Jews may gloat over the imprisonment of best-selling author and historian,
>> David Irving for Holocaust Denial. Or their recent persecution of a Catholic
>> Bishop who dared to question the Holocaust. The Jews demanded that the pope
>> throw this Bishop out of the Church. (Talk about chutzpah.) The Jews keep
>> using the heavy hand of the tyrant against their opponents, not believing
>> that people will ever grow tired of political dissidents being prosecuted
>> for thought crimes. Mr. Irving is an historical scholar and he KNOWS that
>> the imprisonment of various great historical figures from St. Peter to Joan
>> of Arc to Galileo has always failed to stop whatever the authorities were
>> hoping to stop. These imprisonments often wake up people to governmental
>> tyranny.
>>
>> Within another generation these horrible laws outlawing speech, that the
>> Jews disapprove, will be quietly shelved in many European nations, and men
>> may speak the truth about the events of World War Two without fear of
>> prison.
>>
>> The independent researcher and web publisher Dr. Henry Makow has reported a
>> story completely ignored by the mainstream media. It seems that long-time
>> professional Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel is a fraud and an impostor, and
>> his accuser is not some Revisionist but a genuine Auschwitz survivor.
>>
>> On his website Dr. Makow tells us: "In May 1944 , when Miklos Gruner was 15,
>> he was deported from Hungary to Auschwitz-Birkenau with his mother, father
>> as well as a younger and an elder brother.He, his elder brother and their
>> father had an inmate number tattooed on their arms and were sent to perform
>> hard work in a synthetic fuel factory linked to IG Farben where the father
>> died six months later. After that, the elder brother was sent to Mauthausen
>> and, as the young Miklos was then alone, two elder Jewish inmates who were
>> also Hungarians and friends with his late father took him under their
>> protection. These two protectors of the young Miklos were the Lazar and
>> Abraham Wiesel brothers. In the following months, Miklos Gruner and Lazar
>> Wiesel became good friends. Lazar Wiesel was 31 years old in 1944. Miklos
>> never forgot the number Lazar was tattooed with by the Nazis: A-7713. In
>> January 1945, as the Russian army was coming, the inmates were transferred
>> to Buchenwald. During the three months this transfer took, partly by foot,
>> partly by train, more than half of the inmates died and amongst them was
>> Abraham, the elder brother of Lazar Wiesel. In April 8, 1945, the US army
>> liberated Buchenwald. Miklos and Lazar were amongst the survivors of the
>> camp. As Miklos had tuberculosis, he was sent in a Swiss clinic and
>> therefore was separated from Lazar. After recovering, Miklos emigrated to
>> Australia while his elder brother, who also survived the war, established
>> himself in Sweden."
>>
>> Here's where the article gets interesting: "Years later, in 1986, Miklos was
>> contacted in Australia by a Swedish journal and was invited to come in
>> Sweden in order to meet an 'old friend' named Elie Wiesel. As Miklos
>> answered that he doesn`t know anyone with this name, he was told Elie Wiesel
>> was the same person Miklos knew in the Nazi camps under the name Lazar
>> Wiesel and with the inmate number A-7713. Miklos still remembered that
>> number and he was therefore convinced at that point that he was going to
>> meet his old friend Lazar and happily accepted the invitation to fly to
>> Sweden in December 14, 1986. Miklos recalls: 'I was very happy at the idea
>> of meeting Lazar but when I got out of the plane, I was stunned to see a man
>> I didn`t recognize at all, who didn`t even speak Hungarian and who was
>> speaking English in a strong French accent. so, our meeting was over in
>> about ten minutes. As a goodbye gift, the man gave me a book titled Night of
>> which he claimed to be the author. I accepted the book I didn`t know at that
>> time but told everyone there that this man was not the person he pretended
>> to be.' "
>>
>> You'd think this would get a mention or some probing questions of Wiesel by
>> the Swedish journalists -unless they considered Mr. Wiesel a "sacred cow"
>> whose proclamations about the Holocaust were always to be take seriously for
>> fear of ending one's career as a journalist.
>>
>> The article continues "Miklos recalls that during this strange meeting, Elie
>> Wiesel refused to show him the tattooed number on his arm, saying he didn`t
>> want to exhibit his body. Miklos adds that Elie Wiesel showed his tattooed
>> number afterward to an Israeli journalist who Miklos met and this journalist
>> told Miklos that he didn`t have time to identify the number but was certain
>> it wasn`t a tattoo. Miklos says: 'After that meeting with Elie Wiesel, I did
>> research everywhere I could for twenty years and found out that the man
>> calling himself Elie Wiesel has never been in a Nazi camp since he doesn`t
>> figure on any official list of detainees.Elie Wiesel never wanted to meet me
>> again. He became very successful; he takes 25 thousand dollars for a 45
>> minutes speech on the Holocaust. 'I have officially reported to the FBI that
>> Elie Wiesel is an impostor but had no answer. I have also complained to the
>> Swedish Royal Academy of Sciences with no result. The American and the
>> Swedish media which I tried to contact were indifferent. I have received
>> anonymous calls telling me I could be shot if I don`t shut up, but I am not
>> afraid of death any more. I have deposited the whole dossier in four
>> different countries and, if I died suddenly, they would be made public. The
>> world must know that Elie Wiesel is an impostor and I am going to tell it, I
>> am going to publish the truth in a book called The Story of a Stolen Nobel
>> Prize Identity.' "
>>
>> Some day, there will be a tipping point. A straw that breaks the camel's
>> back. One of these bizarre and fraudulent stories about false Holocaust
>> memoirs, bogus "survivors" and their descendants raking in the cash, or some
>> ridiculous Holocaust story that is simply too outrageous for belief, is
>> going to suddenly "grow legs," possibly on the Internet which will trash the
>> credibility of the Holocaust for all time.
>>
>> The story will "grow legs" despite anything the Jews can do to suppress it,
>> and all of a sudden the entire world, with a collective gasp, will GET IT
>> about the so-called "Holocaust." The whole world will realize how terribly
>> and viciously and cynically we have been deceived for generations. The
>> Holocaust will suddenly be seen as yet another Jewish swindle of gigantic
>> proportions -much like the enormous financial swindle pulled off by the now
>> famous Bernie Madoff. Perhaps the role of Jewish swindlers in the current
>> financial collapse will make people more suspicious of Jews in general and
>> lead to a re-evaluation of the Holocaust.
>> __________________
>> .
>> .
>
>David Irving is NOT a historion , this was prroved in a British
>court .
>mirjam

Courts have NEVER "proven" anything, either now or over the last few
centuries. Convictions of people for witchcraft do not constitute
"proof" that witches actually exist anymore than Galileo's conviction
proves that the earth is flat or that the sun revolves around the
earth.



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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:54:18 -0400, "Neil Harrington" 
wrote:

>mirjam@actcom.co.il wrote:
>
>>
>> David Irving is NOT a historion , this was prroved in a British
>> court .
>
>David Irving is one of the most famous of modern English historians, and has 
>an enormous body of published work which has been highly praised by other 
>eminent historians. I don't know how you think a court "proved" that a 
>historian isn't a historian, or even how any court could possibly do that. 
>
Courts tend to be an Alice-in-wonderland environment where all manner
of factors OTHER than truth can affect the outcome. We have numerous
cases currently in Canada where people have been convicted of murder
and where science later showed that the convictions were 100.0%
unjust. Courts are very imperfect human institutions where money,
influence, and politics can affect the outcomes.


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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:09:44 -0400, "Neil Harrington" 
wrote:

>Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>> In article <-v-dnb6pbrktuSDUnZ2dnUVZ_uOWnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>> Neil Harrington  wrote:
>>> mirjam@actcom.co.il wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> David Irving is NOT a historion , this was prroved in a British
>>>> court .
>>
>>> David Irving is one of the most famous of modern English historians,
>>> and has an enormous body of published work which has been highly
>>> praised by other eminent historians. I don't know how you think a
>>> court "proved" that a historian isn't a historian, or even how any
>>> court could possibly do that.
>>
>> In the libel trial wherein British faux historian
>> David Irving attempted to censor an American historian,
>
>David Irving is a historian. Deborah Lipstadt is a Holocaust promoter. The 
>latter occupation should not be confused with the former. 
>
McVay, the smear artist, is being hypocritical in the extreme when he
whines about the alleged censorship attempts of others, when that is
exactly his own modus operandi.


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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:52:03 -0700 (PDT), george 
wrote:

>On Mar 16, 10:09 am, "Neil Harrington"  wrote:
>
>> David Irving is a historian. Deborah Lipstadt is a Holocaust promoter. The
>> latter occupation should not be confused with the former.
>
>David Irving is history.
>He lied about the holocaust and about the history of the Second World
>War.
>He is a convicted criminal

Being convicted by a kangaroo court for thought crimes is actually an
honour rather than something of which to be ashamed. Most people just
don't have the guts to allow themselves to be martyred.

Nobody would allow themselves to be imprisoned for an idea that they
themselves thought was false. A person could obviously be mistaken,
but he was clearly not trying to deceive. 


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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 08:13:52 -0400, Mike Flannigan
 wrote:

>I am a sadistical sexual psychopath whose dream is of meeting Hitler, putting 
>a gun to his head, forcing headphones on him and sodomizing him with my large, 
>juicy, uncircumsized cock while blasting Die Walküre.
>
>
>Heil Hitler!

LOL

Well, I can certainly agree with your self-analysis as a psychopath.
In Canada you could get help, but clearly not in the
every-man-for-himself USA. 


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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 12:16:42 -0400, Goober 
wrote:

>ZuLu wrote
>> ABOUT THE GAS CHAMBERS HOAX
>> 
>> Which material proof of their existence?
>> ANY.
>> 
>
>There's no proof of the lunar landings either because it was a big money 
>making scam by Jewish scientists.   I hate people who bad mouth Hitler and 
>disparage his good name and reputation.
>
>
>Heil Hitler!

This seems to be another manifestation of the Mike Flannigan
psychopath that deposited some feces on the newsgroup a few messages
back.


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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:57:58 +0000 (UTC), m-weber
 wrote:

>In article <-v-dnb6pbrktuSDUnZ2dnUVZ_uOWnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>Neil Harrington  wrote:
>
>> mirjam@actcom.co.il wrote:
>
>>> David Irving is NOT a historion , this was prroved in a British
>>> court .
>
>> David Irving is one of the most famous of modern English historians,
>
>But he's most happy to state that he barely knows anything about
>the Holocaust:

The same thing could be said of most of his detractors. Much of what
the detractors claim would not stand up to scientific scrutiny, so
they seek to shield the story from anybody but partisan personnel
whose findings were available before the investigation even started,
something like the verdicts at Nuremberg that had been agreed to some
months before at Yalta, long before the trials occurred.

>
>
>   All the following are statements Irving made during
>the libel trial he initiated (and lost) against Lipstadt
>and Penguin:
>
>http://www.fpp.co.uk/Legal/Penguin/transcripts/day001.htm
>
>   "I have never held myself out to be a Holocaust expert, nor
>have I written books about what is now called the Holocaust."
>
>   "I have done my best to prepare the case that follows, but
>I respectfully submit that I do not have any duty to become an
>expert on the Holocaust, my Lord."
>
>   "I have never claimed to be a Holocaust historian. As I have
>said, I have no written no book about the Holocaust. I have written
>no article about it. If I have spoken about it, it is usually
>because somebody has asked me a question, I have been questioned
>about it. On such occasions I have emphasised my lack of expertise
>and I have expatiated only upon those areas with which I am familiar."
>
>http://www.fpp.co.uk/Legal/Penguin/transcripts/day002.htm:
>
>   "Now, you heard me say in my opening statement, Mr Rampton,
>that I am not an expert on the Holocaust. What I would now say
>would be a figure without any value whatsoever."
>
>   "Q. [Rampton] What you do you say about Sobibor, Treblinka,
>Belzec and Chelmno?"
>
>   "A. [Irving] Nothing at all. I am not an expert."


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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:12:48 -0400, Gord McFee 
wrote:

>On 3/12/2009 7:11 AM, B.H. Cramer wrote:
>
>> "Eugene Holman"  wrote in message 
>> news:holman-1203091213090001@ke-hupnet61-27.hupnet.helsinki.fi...
>>> In article , "B.H. 
>>> Cramer"  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> "Eugene Holman"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:holman-1103091614150001@ke-hupnet61-27.hupnet.helsinki.fi...
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> What death camps?
>>> The ones erected in Poland for the sole purpose of implementing the
>>>  Final Solution of the Jewish Question in Europe discretely and
>>> with industrial efficiency.
>> 
>> Ah!  Those old things? The "death camps" none of you clods has ever 
>> been able to prove existed.
>
>Their existence has been proved.

Your assertion does not constitute "proof". Obviously there is doubt,
or this newsgroup wouldn't exist and you wouldn't be going around
hysterically sliming and flaming anybody who asks questions or
expresses any doubt.

>
>> Those "death camps" associated with the "final solution" you clods 
>> have never been able to prove existed.
>
>The Final Solution has been proved.
>
>>> Specifically Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibor, and Trebinka. The ones that 
>>> have been the subjects of numerous trials leadig to convictions 
>>> since the 1940s.
>> 
>> Sure have. With all the "evidence" for the yids' side taken on 
>> judicial notice.
>
>Nope.  You are just a walking parrot of denier canards, aren't you?
>
>>> One of them, Sobibor, is particularly well known due to the massive
>>>  and well docuented prisoner-led revolt that took place there on 
>>> October 14, 1943.
>> 
>> Which in now way proves it was a "death camp."
>> 
>>> Another, Belzec, has been the subject of recent archeological 
>>> reserach. Sobibor was in the news today: the German government is 
>>> continuing the trial against former Sobibor John Demjanjuk,
>> 
>> Disgraceful, isn't it.
>
>Disgraceful he has gotten away with it so long.
>
>>> a former Ukrainian guard there (see below). Demjanjuk has never 
>>> challanged the existence of Sobibor. its functionality as a death 
>>> camp,
>> 
>> I do beg your pardon. Just when did he admit it was a "death camp?"
>
>When he lied and said he didn't work there.  He said the same about
>Treblinka.  It's funny how the people who worked in the camps are the
>very ones who do *not* deny that they were death camps.  It is only
>third-string trash like you bunch who deny it.
>
>[...]


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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:05:38 +0200, holman@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene
Holman) wrote:

>In article ,
>ebersdorf@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>> >How many counts of murder should the former crew of the 'Enola Gay' be
>> >charged with?
>> 
>> That particular civilian atrocity has the support of the bulk of
>> brainwashed Americans. 
>
>There is the matter of relativity here. The Japanese stated conclusively
>that they would never surrender. The US demonstrated that it had what at
>that time was the ultimate weapon, and more than one of them, causing the
>Japanese to rethink their options. They surrendered within a week.

You are putting together a cause-effect link that is probably not
there. Numerous American military types opposed the use of nuclear
weapons as being totally unnecessary. Nothing excuses civilian
atrocities. Everybody in Japan knew that the war was lost long before
the use of the nuclear bombs. Indeed, the big fear of the Americans
was that the Japanese would surrender before the bombs could be used.

>
>As far as I know, the crew of the 'Enola Gay' was not even given specific
>information about what they were dropping. They were just following the
>bits and pieces of the orders they had been issued, the overall results of
>which were not clear from the orders issuedto each individual, in a
>military situation in a war zone. The position of the crew of the Enola
>Gay' was in no way comparable to what Karl Frenzel, third in command, was
>doing at Sobibor: consigning all civilian deportees but those who were
>young, healthy, and had skills deperately needed by the Germans, to the
>gas chambers. 
>
>More than a hundred thousand people in the two atomic bombings and
>arguably another hundred thousand have died concsequent to them, but the
>alternative would have been an invasion of Japan by the US and the USSR,
>millions of deaths on both sides, the destruction of cities,
>infrastructure, cultural monuments, and territorial losses for Japan far
>greater than the Kurile Islands, lost to the Soviets, and Okinawa,
>captured and occupied by the Americans.
>
>> Had Germans done such a thing, then there would have been no end to 
>> the outcry.
>
>The Germans *did* do such a thing, firebombing London, Coventry,
>Manchester, and other British industrial centers, killing more than 27,000
>civilians during the Blitz of Britain, the dress rehearsal for this act
>being the German bombing of the Basque town of Guernica in 1937. 

London was bombed after British terrorist attacks on Berlin. The
target at Coventry was Rolls Royce and unfortunately 380 civilians
died as "collateral damage" as the Americans would put it. By
contrast, Anglo-American targets in German cities were the civilians.
Strategic bombing is essentially terrorist work, and the preparations
for this started in the early thirties, long before the NS regime in
Germany.



If
>Germany had been able to force the UK into submision on the basis of this
>campaign of terror bombing without having to implement an actual land
>invasion, these actions would be regarded as justified, prophylactic, and
>heroic for having achieved a new order in Europe with minimum bloodshed.
>As it was, though, Britain, aided by the US, which was not yet its ally at
>the time of the Battle of Britain, did not capitulate, eventually paying
>Germany back in kind by flattening most of its cities in retaliation.
>
>Regards,
>Eugene Holman


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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:49:24 +0200, holman@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene
Holman) wrote:

>In article <3b2dnYyMtJekhSPUnZ2dnVY3go2dnZ2d@giganews.com>, "B.H. Cramer"
> wrote:
>
>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>> news:slbrr4lp79vq09u1pn9ukbkfgfa2rj2bll@4ax.com...
>
>
>> >>How many counts of murder should the former crew of the 'Enola Gay' be
>> >>charged with?
>> >
>> > That particular civilian atrocity has the support of the bulk of
>> > brainwashed Americans. Had Germans done such a thing, then there would
>> > have been no end to the outcry.
>> 
>> It's typical of the type of "history" we are forced to endure when it's 
>> written by the victors.
>
>Yes. It would be interesting indeed to read a history of Australia written
>by the Aborigines. It would not make the criminals, scum, and misfits
>dumped there by the British look like the nice, resourceful, heroic people
>their descendants like to think of them as having been. It would make the
>crimes committed by Aborigines today look like a Sunday school picnic.

In much the same fashion, the much vaunted "Blitz" is pretty trivial
stuff compared to the Anglo-American mass murder campaign in Germany.
You are always comparing apples and oranges in a vain attempt to
white-wash allied crimes.

>
>Regards,
>Eugene Holman


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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:50:27 -0700 (PDT), Matt Wiser
 wrote:

>On Mar 14, 11:36 pm, "I'll Always Be 15-03-09"
> wrote:
>> "Matt Wiser"  wrote in news:iu0vl.63009$FI5.54467
>> @newsfe07.iad:
>>
>> > Typical apologist rant, wouldn't you agree?
>>
>> A typical cramer rant
>>
>One and the same, apparently. Why is this nut wailing about Germany's
>defeat, anyway? Pick a fight with the British, then the Soviets, and
>then the U.S.? And guess what happens when things don't go your way:
>total and complete defeat.

They didn't "pick a fight" with the British. The reality is quite the
reverse. Churchill and his bunch had planned for war with Germany
since the late twenties when they realized that WW1 had not destroyed
Germany.

Britain went from being the world's greatest power in 1914 to being a
relatively insignificant island off the French coast in 2009.

Germany was the principal European power in 1900 and is still the
principal European power in 2009. WW1 and WW2 killed almost 100
million people, but they failed to destroy Germany, much as the
French-engineered Thirty Years War from 1618 to 1648 failed to destroy
Germany.

WW2 was a complete failure in that it gave freedom to nobody and
handed over much of Europe to the Communists.


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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:06:48 -0800, "Matt Wiser"
 wrote:

>Which is typical of trolls, conspiro-nuts, and other similar types. When
>information is presented that contradicts their fantasies, they ignore it

LOL

Look in a mirror, Matt.



,
>or wail about "you've been brainwashed," or some other such nonsense. Such
>behavior indicates that they're usually off their rocker-and their meds,
>too.
>"I'll Always Be 16-03-09"  wrote in message
>news:Xns9BCFE5A12B6DFTheonlyonethatcares@87.106.137.111...
>> Dan  wrote in news:0dlvl.65691$Zp.303@newsfe21.iad:
>>
>> > I'll Always Be 15-03-09 wrote:
>> >> "Bent Attorney Esq."  wrote in
>> >> news:9748e10a-
>> >> 6bba-4ed1-94cb-8f73edca4177@v39g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>> >>
>> >>> On Mar 14, 8:01 pm, Dan  wrote:
>> >>>> Bent Attorney Esq. wrote:
>> >>>>> On Mar 14, 6:18 pm, "Keith Willshaw"
>> >>>>>  wrote:
>> >>>>>> "Bent Attorney Esq."  wrote in
>> >> messagenews
>> >>> :57f95edb-163a-49e2-b7de-f1812908d185@33g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>> >>>>>> On Mar 14, 2:37 pm, "Keith Willshaw"
>> >>>>>>  wrote:
>> >>>>>>> "Bent Attorney Esq."  wrote in
>> >>>>>>> messagenews:99945418-9b19-4208-ac10-dc4da04a4cd6
>> >> @s20g2000yqh.googlegr
>> >>> oups.com...
>> >>>>>>> On Mar 14, 1:52 am, "Matt Wiser"  wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>> I would submit that the inhabitants of Warsaw, Rotterdam,
>> >>>>>>>>> London, Coventry,
>> >>>>>>>>> Belgrade, and Stalingrad would beg to differ, old boy.
>> >>>>>>>> They can beg all they want old boy. None of those cities went
>> >> throug
>> >>> h
>> >>>>>>>> atomic explosion, or firebombing as did German and Japanese
>> >> cities.
>> >>>>>>> What utter tripe.
>> >>>>>> = Tripe is some weird kind of bovine stomach food invented by the
>> >>>>>> po
>> >>> or
>> >>>>>> = and eaten by the nouveau riche.
>> >>>>>> Says someone who has never eaten tripe, I have and its disgusting.
>> >>>>>>> 1) On Sept 1 1939 the Luftwaffe launched the first of a series of
>> >> mas
>> >>> sive
>> >>>>>>> air raids on Warsaw using a mixture of HE bombs to break open
>> >> buildin
>> >>> gs
>> >>>>>>> and incendiaries to set them on fire. The result was that the
>> >> centre
>> >>> of
>> >>>>>>> Warsaw
>> >>>>>>> was burnt out.
>> >>>>>>> 2) The bombing of Rotterdam on May 14th 1940 levelled almost 1
>> >> square
>> >>>  mile
>> >>>>>>> of the city. Using the tired and tested mixture of HE and
>> >> incendiarie
>> >>> s
>> >>>>>>> 24,978 homes,
>> >>>>>>> 24 churches, 2,320 stores, 775 warehouses and 62 schools were
>> >> destroy
>> >>> ed
>> >>>>>>> mostly
>> >>>>>>> by fire.
>> >>>>>>> 3) During the London Blitz which started in Sept 1940 London was
>> >> bomb
>> >>> ed
>> >>>>>>> for 57 consecutive nights. The death toll of 43,000 civilians
>> >>>>>>> would
>> >> h
>> >>> ave
>> >>>>>>> been
>> >>>>>>> much higher had the British not built an efficient civil defense
>> >> prog
>> >>> ram,
>> >>>>>>> as
>> >>>>>>> it
>> >>>>>>> was over a million houses were damaged or destroyed. Vacant sites
>> >> whe
>> >>> re
>> >>>>>>> buildings once stood could still be seen into the 1960's. One of
>> >> the
>> >>>>>>> reason
>> >>>>>>> the toll was not much higher was the heroic activities of
>> >> firefighter
>> >>> s and
>> >>>>>>> civilian fire watchers who attempted to stop the spread of the
>> >> blazes
>> >>> .
>> >>>>>>> They took heavy casualties from the Luftwaffe who introduced the
>> >>>>>>> practise of dropping anti-personnel weapons in follow on raids
>> >> timed
>> >>>>>>> to catch rescue workers and firemen responding to the main raid.
>> >>>>>>> 4) November 14 1940, the first of more than 500 bombers attacked
>> >>>>>>> Coventry. The first wave dropped HE bombs to crater the roads,
>> >>>>>>> break the water and gas mains and block the roads with rubble
>> >> making
>> >>>>>>> it hard for rescue workers to respond. The second wave used
>> >>>>>>> incendiaries to cause widespread fires. The raids continued all
>> >> night
>> >>>>>>> with german bombers returning to their bases in France to rearm
>> >>>>>>> flying multiple sorties. By 8PM the ancient cathedral was well
>> >> ablaze
>> >>> .
>> >>>>>>> Fire fighters managed to bring the fires under control until fresh
>> >> ra
>> >>> ids
>> >>>>>>> caused further damage and forced them to withdraw.
>> >>>>>>> This raid destroyed or damaged 60,000 buildings and wiped out
>> >>>>>>> the mediaeval city centre. The Germans were inordinately proud
>> >>>>>>> of this accomplishment and adopted the 'Coventriert' when
>> >> describing
>> >>>>>>> an attack aimed at destroying a target.
>> >>>>>>> In Nov 1940 the RAF was still operating under rules of engagement
>> >>>>>>> which limited them to bombing military targets only, even enemy
>> >> indus
>> >>> trial
>> >>>>>>> premises were off limits. As he stood on the Air Ministry roof
>> >> watchi
>> >>> ng
>> >>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>> city of London burn Air Vice Marshall Arthur Harris famously
>> >>>>>>> used a biblical quotation to his aide 'As they have sown the wind
>> >>>>>>> so shall they reap the whirlwind'
>> >>>>>>> The ultimate price of these raids was of course the destruction
>> >>>>>>> of Hamburg and Dresden by the RAF using the techniques so
>> >>>>>>> graphically taught by the Luftwaffe.
>> >>>>>>> Keith
>> >>>>>> = And to start it all off, the fools that forced the 'treaty of
>> >>>>>> = versailles' down the throat of Germany should have done some hard
>> >>>>>> = thinking before they tried to starve Germany.
>> >>>>>> Perhaps Germany would have done better to learn the lessons of
>> >>>>>> their Big Mistake No 1 rather than repeating them. Waging brutal
>> >>>>>> wars of conquest tends to make ones neighbours a little resentful.
>> >>>>>> Keith
>> >>>>> Trying to starve the German people makes them a tad resentful.
>> >>>>    Now you know how the Dutch felt when the Germans stole food from t
>> >>> hem
>> >>>> in WW1.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retread
>> >>> Well Dan, you've done and got yourself a very high stupidity rating.
>> >>> On a scale of 1 to 10 you get a 9.  Since you wish to get into the
>> >>> subject of theft then put on your gloves, some massive headgear and
>> >>> let's do the man dance.
>> >>> Theft 1:  The theft of Native American lands by the US.
>> >>
>> >> Don't forget Canada.
>> >>
>> >> Don't forget Australia.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>   Killing off
>> >>> the red skins not only with the tools of starvation, sabers,
>> >>> firearms.  But germ warfare!!!  Smallpox infected blankets!!!
>> >>> SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSssssssssssssssssssssss!!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> You will gladly provide cites proving that smallpox infected blankets
>> >> were actually used and that spreading smallpox by this method is
>> >> actually possible.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Theft 2:  The control of the people by the so called founding
>> >>> fathers.
>> >>> Theft 3:  Stealing the money of people; it's called taxation.
>> >>> Theft 4:  The English Crown got to where it be today by theft.  By the
>> >>> exploitation of peasants; the stealing of land etc.
>> >>> Theft 5:  The stealing of peaceful Indians by the Mayan Priest class
>> >>> for sacrificial purposes.
>> >>> Theft 6:  The stealing of South America by the Spaniards.
>> >>
>> >> Make that christians
>> >>
>> >
>> >     I guess Bent didn't notice Portugal got a significant portion of
>> > South America.
>> >
>> > Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>> >
>>
>> Bent has never let facts interfere with his demonstrations of how cowardly
>> he is.
>


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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:04:04 +1000, "B.H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:nbbrr4trs2lvs3qnv4o7icgsjka1dfihs8@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:17:10 +1000, "B.H. Cramer"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Eugene Holman"  wrote in message
>>>news:holman-1503091237530001@ke-hupnet52-26.hupnet.helsinki.fi...
>>>> In article , "B.H. 
>>>> Cramer"
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Eugene Holman"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:holman-1503090938450001@ke-hupnet52-26.hupnet.helsinki.fi...
>>>> 
>>>>> >
>>>>> > And what, pray tell, is difficult accepting Karl Frenzel's and Hans
>>>>> > Münch's independent statements that during WW II while working at
>>>>> > Sobibor
>>>>> > and Auschwitz-Birkenau, respectively, they were involved in the
>>>>> > implementation of a state-sponsored program, the objective of which 
>>>>> > was
>>>>> > the extermination of the Jews of Europe, with priority given to women
>>>>> > with
>>>>> > children, children, and elderly people unable to contribute to the
>>>>> > German
>>>>> > war effort, this including capturing, killing, and disposing of the
>>>>> > bodies
>>>>> > of even more Jews?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because it's b'ollocks. None of this shit has ever been proved.
>>>>
>>>> ...to your impossibly high and selectively applied standards. It was
>>>> certainly proved to such a high standard that SS-Oberscharfuhrer Karl
>>>> Frenzel sat sixteen years for it and never claimed that he had been
>>>> imprisoned on trumped up charges.
>>>
>>>Had he whined he would have been hanged.
>>
>> That is no doubt what he feared. The allies had instituted a veritable
>> reign of terror in postwar Germany.
>
>Too right. I thought Bacque might have been overdoing it a bit in his book, 
>but so much of his claims are now corroborated in MacDonogh's book.

Bacque's work is consistent with German people I know personally who
were there, and Bacque has no axe to grind as opposed to most of the
"court historians" who are employees of the holocaust industry and who
write as they are told to do.

>
>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> > Source:
>>>>> >
>>>> http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/m/muench-hans/swedish-television-interview.html
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > ST: What was the ideology?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > M: Simply National Socialism, as expounded by [Alfred] Rosenberg. The
>>>>> > Germanic race was the future of the world and a guarantee against
>>>>> > corruption and mismanagement and for keeping our Europe pure. The 
>>>>> > root
>>>>> > cause of every evil in culture, of every degeneracy was the Jews, 
>>>>> > which
>>>>> > is
>>>>> > clear from the fact that the Jews weren't tolerated already in the
>>>>> > Middle
>>>>> > Ages. There must have been good reasons to put them into ghettos. 
>>>>> > There
>>>>> > were constant pogroms, not only in Germany, in the whole of Europe.
>>>>> > That
>>>>> > is because the Jewish race is a destructive factor. There is no
>>>>> > development, no peace, nothing worth living for when the Jews have a
>>>>> > finger in the pie.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > ST: Therefore they must be exterminated?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > M: Because it hasn't succeeded so far in spite of all the severe
>>>>> > measures,
>>>>> > but they continually take hold of decisive posts in the economy, in 
>>>>> > the
>>>>> > state, in cultural life. It has to be stopped. That can be done only 
>>>>> > by
>>>>> > total physical extermination.
>>>>>
>>>>> Blah blah blah blah. All waffle, yougenie.
>>>>
>>>> Not waffle, Benjie, but meat and potatoes.
>>>
>>>Nope. Meat and potatoes is a man thing, yougenie. You don't qualify.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> 


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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:31:46 +1000, "B.H. Cramer"
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>
>"Bent Attorney Esq."  wrote in message 
>news:7f1f1b73-8628-464b-af2b-49ec85a839bb@p20g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
>On Mar 16, 7:59 am, "B.H. Cramer"  wrote:
>> "Bent Attorney Esq."  wrote in 
>> messagenews:f4c871b7-6229-493f-b74d-0ce33e70aa0d@l39g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>> On Mar 16, 2:06 am, "Matt Wiser"  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Which is typical of trolls, conspiro-nuts, and other similar types. When
>> > information is presented that contradicts their fantasies, they ignore 
>> > it,
>> > or wail about "you've been brainwashed," or some other such nonsense. 
>> > Such
>> > behavior indicates that they're usually off their rocker-and their meds,
>> > too.
>> > "I'll Always Be 16-03-09"  wrote in
>> > messagenews:Xns9BCFE5A12B6DFTheonlyonethatcares@87.106.137.111...
>>
>> > > Dan  wrote innews:0dlvl.65691$Zp.303@newsfe21.iad:
>>
>> > > > I'll Always Be 15-03-09 wrote:
>> > > >> "Bent Attorney Esq."  wrote in
>> > > >> news:9748e10a-
>> > > >> 6bba-4ed1-94cb-8f73edca4...@v39g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > > >>> On Mar 14, 8:01 pm, Dan  wrote:
>> > > >>>> Bent Attorney Esq. wrote:
>> > > >>>>> On Mar 14, 6:18 pm, "Keith Willshaw"
>> > > >>>>>  wrote:
>> > > >>>>>> "Bent Attorney Esq."  wrote in
>> > > >> messagenews
>> > > >>> :57f95edb-163a-49e2-b7de-f1812908d...@33g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>> > > >>>>>> On Mar 14, 2:37 pm, "Keith Willshaw"
>> > > >>>>>>  wrote:
>> > > >>>>>>> "Bent Attorney Esq."  wrote in
>> > > >>>>>>> messagenews:99945418-9b19-4208-ac10-dc4da04a4cd6
>> > > >> @s20g2000yqh.googlegr
>> > > >>> oups.com...
>> > > >>>>>>> On Mar 14, 1:52 am, "Matt Wiser"  
>> > > >>>>>>> wrote:
>> > > >>>>>>>>> I would submit that the inhabitants of Warsaw, Rotterdam,
>> > > >>>>>>>>> London, Coventry,
>> > > >>>>>>>>> Belgrade, and Stalingrad would beg to differ, old boy.
>> > > >>>>>>>> They can beg all they want old boy. None of those cities went
>> > > >> throug
>> > > >>> h
>> > > >>>>>>>> atomic explosion, or firebombing as did German and Japanese
>> > > >> cities.
>> > > >>>>>>> What utter tripe.
>> > > >>>>>> = Tripe is some weird kind of bovine stomach food invented by 
>> > > >>>>>> the
>> > > >>>>>> po
>> > > >>> or
>> > > >>>>>> = and eaten by the nouveau riche.
>> > > >>>>>> Says someone who has never eaten tripe, I have and its
>> > > >>>>>> disgusting.
>> > > >>>>>>> 1) On Sept 1 1939 the Luftwaffe launched the first of a series
>> > > >>>>>>> of
>> > > >> mas
>> > > >>> sive
>> > > >>>>>>> air raids on Warsaw using a mixture of HE bombs to break open
>> > > >> buildin
>> > > >>> gs
>> > > >>>>>>> and incendiaries to set them on fire. The result was that the
>> > > >> centre
>> > > >>> of
>> > > >>>>>>> Warsaw
>> > > >>>>>>> was burnt out.
>> > > >>>>>>> 2) The bombing of Rotterdam on May 14th 1940 levelled almost 1
>> > > >> square
>> > > >>> mile
>> > > >>>>>>> of the city. Using the tired and tested mixture of HE and
>> > > >> incendiarie
>> > > >>> s
>> > > >>>>>>> 24,978 homes,
>> > > >>>>>>> 24 churches, 2,320 stores, 775 warehouses and 62 schools were
>> > > >> destroy
>> > > >>> ed
>> > > >>>>>>> mostly
>> > > >>>>>>> by fire.
>> > > >>>>>>> 3) During the London Blitz which started in Sept 1940 London 
>> > > >>>>>>> was
>> > > >> bomb
>> > > >>> ed
>> > > >>>>>>> for 57 consecutive nights. The death toll of 43,000 civilians
>> > > >>>>>>> would
>> > > >> h
>> > > >>> ave
>> > > >>>>>>> been
>> > > >>>>>>> much higher had the British not built an efficient civil 
>> > > >>>>>>> defense
>> > > >> prog
>> > > >>> ram,
>> > > >>>>>>> as
>> > > >>>>>>> it
>> > > >>>>>>> was over a million houses were damaged or destroyed. Vacant
>> > > >>>>>>> sites
>> > > >> whe
>> > > >>> re
>> > > >>>>>>> buildings once stood could still be seen into the 1960's. One 
>> > > >>>>>>> of
>> > > >> the
>> > > >>>>>>> reason
>> > > >>>>>>> the toll was not much higher was the heroic activities of
>> > > >> firefighter
>> > > >>> s and
>> > > >>>>>>> civilian fire watchers who attempted to stop the spread of the
>> > > >> blazes
>> > > >>> .
>> > > >>>>>>> They took heavy casualties from the Luftwaffe who introduced 
>> > > >>>>>>> the
>> > > >>>>>>> practise of dropping anti-personnel weapons in follow on raids
>> > > >> timed
>> > > >>>>>>> to catch rescue workers and firemen responding to the main 
>> > > >>>>>>> raid.
>> > > >>>>>>> 4) November 14 1940, the first of more than 500 bombers 
>> > > >>>>>>> attacked
>> > > >>>>>>> Coventry. The first wave dropped HE bombs to crater the roads,
>> > > >>>>>>> break the water and gas mains and block the roads with rubble
>> > > >> making
>> > > >>>>>>> it hard for rescue workers to respond. The second wave used
>> > > >>>>>>> incendiaries to cause widespread fires. The raids continued 
>> > > >>>>>>> all
>> > > >> night
>> > > >>>>>>> with german bombers returning to their bases in France to 
>> > > >>>>>>> rearm
>> > > >>>>>>> flying multiple sorties. By 8PM the ancient cathedral was well
>> > > >> ablaze
>> > > >>> .
>> > > >>>>>>> Fire fighters managed to bring the fires under control until
>> > > >>>>>>> fresh
>> > > >> ra
>> > > >>> ids
>> > > >>>>>>> caused further damage and forced them to withdraw.
>> > > >>>>>>> This raid destroyed or damaged 60,000 buildings and wiped out
>> > > >>>>>>> the mediaeval city centre. The Germans were inordinately proud
>> > > >>>>>>> of this accomplishment and adopted the 'Coventriert' when
>> > > >> describing
>> > > >>>>>>> an attack aimed at destroying a target.
>> > > >>>>>>> In Nov 1940 the RAF was still operating under rules of
>> > > >>>>>>> engagement
>> > > >>>>>>> which limited them to bombing military targets only, even 
>> > > >>>>>>> enemy
>> > > >> indus
>> > > >>> trial
>> > > >>>>>>> premises were off limits. As he stood on the Air Ministry roof
>> > > >> watchi
>> > > >>> ng
>> > > >>>>>>> the
>> > > >>>>>>> city of London burn Air Vice Marshall Arthur Harris famously
>> > > >>>>>>> used a biblical quotation to his aide 'As they have sown the
>> > > >>>>>>> wind
>> > > >>>>>>> so shall they reap the whirlwind'
>> > > >>>>>>> The ultimate price of these raids was of course the 
>> > > >>>>>>> destruction
>> > > >>>>>>> of Hamburg and Dresden by the RAF using the techniques so
>> > > >>>>>>> graphically taught by the Luftwaffe.
>> > > >>>>>>> Keith
>> > > >>>>>> = And to start it all off, the fools that forced the 'treaty of
>> > > >>>>>> = versailles' down the throat of Germany should have done some
>> > > >>>>>> hard
>> > > >>>>>> = thinking before they tried to starve Germany.
>> > > >>>>>> Perhaps Germany would have done better to learn the lessons of
>> > > >>>>>> their Big Mistake No 1 rather than repeating them. Waging 
>> > > >>>>>> brutal
>> > > >>>>>> wars of conquest tends to make ones neighbours a little
>> > > >>>>>> resentful.
>> > > >>>>>> Keith
>> > > >>>>> Trying to starve the German people makes them a tad resentful.
>> > > >>>> Now you know how the Dutch felt when the Germans stole food from 
>> > > >>>> t
>> > > >>> hem
>> > > >>>> in WW1.
>>
>> > > >>>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retread
>> > > >>> Well Dan, you've done and got yourself a very high stupidity 
>> > > >>> rating.
>> > > >>> On a scale of 1 to 10 you get a 9. Since you wish to get into the
>> > > >>> subject of theft then put on your gloves, some massive headgear 
>> > > >>> and
>> > > >>> let's do the man dance.
>> > > >>> Theft 1: The theft of Native American lands by the US.
>>
>> > > >> Don't forget Canada.
>>
>> > > >> Don't forget Australia.
>>
>> > > >> Killing off
>> > > >>> the red skins not only with the tools of starvation, sabers,
>> > > >>> firearms. But germ warfare!!! Smallpox infected blankets!!!
>> > > >>> SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSssssssssssssssssssssss!!
>>
>> > > >> You will gladly provide cites proving that smallpox infected 
>> > > >> blankets
>> > > >> were actually used and that spreading smallpox by this method is
>> > > >> actually possible.
>>
>> > > >>> Theft 2: The control of the people by the so called founding
>> > > >>> fathers.
>> > > >>> Theft 3: Stealing the money of people; it's called taxation.
>> > > >>> Theft 4: The English Crown got to where it be today by theft. By 
>> > > >>> the
>> > > >>> exploitation of peasants; the stealing of land etc.
>> > > >>> Theft 5: The stealing of peaceful Indians by the Mayan Priest 
>> > > >>> class
>> > > >>> for sacrificial purposes.
>> > > >>> Theft 6: The stealing of South America by the Spaniards.
>>
>> > > >> Make that christians
>>
>> > > > I guess Bent didn't notice Portugal got a significant portion of
>> > > > South America.
>>
>> > > > Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>>
>> > > Bent has never let facts interfere with his demonstrations of how
>> > > cowardly
>> > > he is.
>> >You've nothing with which to refute my arguments. So you try and rely
>> >on petty insults. It's not working for you.
>>
>> This trio of jerks have now allegedly killfiled you and I. They don't like
>> it when they are challenged and are proved to be no more than shills for 
>> the
>> official version of history.
>>
>>> This airforce wanker, Dan, is obviously being used by the other pair. 
>>> He's
>>> so fucking stupid, and so damned pleased he's finally got some support,
>>> there is nothing he won't do to suck up to them.
>
>>LOL.  I wonder if any of this trio would find the courage to read
>>something a little bit different.
>
>Of course they wouldn't. That's their problem. They are brain-washed cretins 
>who don't accept their history is choreographed and sanitised.
>
>>The book that we have both read
>>'After the Reich' comes to mind.  Reading that will of course not give
>>a complete view of WWII, but it is a very good start.  After reading
>>that, I think most moral men/women would start to think differently
>>about the war; leading to them doing more research.  Uncovering things
>>which they didn't know had happened.  Putting pieces together.  etc.
>
>It was a real eye opener to me. I had read Bacque some time ago, but thought 
>some of his comments were a bit over the top. After having seen MacDonogh 
>corroborate Bacque's work, I have taken a different stance.
>
>>But that takes honesty, character.
>
>Those traits are obviously alien to these clods.
>
>>Don't your ostriches do something that this trio(not only them of
>>course)is doing.  The head in sand deal.  I know the reason for it.
>>They are so involved in their flag and patriotism(false patriotism;
>>the kind of patriotism that Mcain wrote about in PopMech)that to
>>glimpse/acknowledge  the truth would be damaging to their ego and self
>>esteem.
>>I had a problem too when my uncle told me of his experiences in Ike's
>>camps after he was captured.  It kind of set my world upside down a
>>little bit, because up until that time I had been thinking that only
>>the Soviet Union had treated their POW's horribly.  I always thought:
>>America = Good and apple pie and all of that.  Things have changed.
>
>For fifty years of my life I didn't give any thought to questioning the 
>Holocaust(tm) or the history of WWI or WWII as I had been taught them. 
>Didn't the subjects much thought at all, in fact.
>
>About 4 years ago, I posted a couple of very innocuous questions about the 
>Holocaust(tm) on this forum and was immediately set upon by the rabid, 
>baying mongrel pack, who spouted so much hatred, filth and sheer nastiness 
>it gave rise to the thoughts "Why are they so angry, why are they so 
>defensive, what are they hiding."

That is exactly the same feeling that I experienced when first
confronted with McVay, McFee, and consorts.

>
>It didn't take me too long to realise I'd been had by having been fed a diet 
>of sanitised, dishonest, "history" and horseshit for decades.
>


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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 05:50:14 -0700 (PDT), Zulu 
wrote:

>On 16 mar, 03:10, Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:54:35 +0000 (UTC), m-weber
>>
>...
>
>> >Don't you "revisionist" folks claim that "over a million" German
>> >POWs died in Allied camps?  Where is the physical evidence for
>> >that,  pray tell?
>
>> The last is fairly simple, since the Wehrmacht was aware of how many
>> of its members were alive on May 8, 1945 and how many were alive once
>> control was returned to German authorities in 1949. There is a
>> multiple-million person discrepancy. Some of it can be attributed to
>> Soviet crimes, but much of the rest to the USA and France.
>
>Is that published by German authorities?

I read stats in a number of books over the span of several years, but
I don't know if the German government, which is a creature of the
allied occupation authorities, has published something in one place on
this topic. Bacques had to do some forensic accounting to make sense
of the increases in MIA totals and KIA totals during the so-called
postwar peace. A number of German authors had done similar exercises,
but the authorities did not make it easy. The only data tables I have
seen were in a German language book by Werner Haupt where the eastern
front losses were given as follows for the period up to 31-Mar-1945:

Fallen:			985,316
Wounded:	          3,905,772
Missing in action:         1,281,285

Allied claims postwar are a multiple of these figures, leaving lots of
room for creative accounting.

>
>> The fate of German POWs has been extrensively treated by impartial
>> writers such as the Canadian, James Bacques, who has no axe to grind,
>> whereas his opponents tend to be hagiographers for D.W. Eisenhower in
>> particular and the American war effort in general. Sources such as
>> Nizkor I take with a grain of salt because it is obviously a partisan
>> site dedicated to spreading anti-German hate-propaganda.
>
>An extensive work carried out by German or European scholars is
>necessary to clear that question.
>However, by observing in which conditions German POWs were treated by
>allies in their camps, I am afraid that Bacque might be close to the
>true numbers with 30% of mortality rate.
>For instance, in soviets camps with shelters and minimum conditions of
>hygiene the average mortality rate was higher than 30% .
>One can imagine which rate can be expected in camps without neither
>shelters nor higiene and short food like the Ike's ones.
>
>General Russian statistics:
>
>122,671 persons arrested and interned between 1945 and 1950
>42,889 deaths
>
>General Mortality rate: 34,96 %
>
>"The mortality rates in the Soviet camps was higher than the rates
>shown by statistics in the Nazi camps. According to the camp records
>kept by the Soviet Union, there were 122,671 persons arrested and
>interned between 1945 and 1950 in the Soviet camp system in Germany,
>and 42,889 of them died. In addition, 756 persons were executed. The
>camp guidebook says that "This information has been questioned from
>various sides, requiring corroborative research."
>
>http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Buchenwald/SpecialCamp.html
>
>> It is interesting to note how inconsistent Americans rate the deaths
>> of 380 people at Coventry to be a war crime but the deaths of more
>> than 100,000 civilians at Hiroshima to be justified. It is a
>> combination of American racism and their pompous, sanctimonious
>> hypocrisy.
>
>That the way it is when winners judge losers after each war.
>Some acts are qualified as crimes and others "collateral damages" if
>not merely hidden.


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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:21:51 +0000 (UTC), m-weber
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:20:07 +0000 (UTC), m-weber
>>  wrote:
>
>>> Can you provide an example of these URL's you're so afraid of?  This
>>> is downright fascinating.
>
>> Nobody is "afraid" of them, but we have all seen the junk before and
>> it just represents clutter that contributes nothing to the discussion.
>
>Well,  "blow me down!" as Popeye The Sailor used to say,  but
>I thought that when debating whether people were killed or not,
>then piles of corpses and mass graves are important evidence,
>not "clutter"!?

Few dispute that people died and in fairly large numbers. That much
actually IS factual.

The dispute is about causes of death and about whether the event
constituted a deliberate policy or was simply a consequence of the
circumstances produced by the war. There is plenty of room for
variations in interpretation, except for people such as McVay for whom
the whole story is like a religious dogma where every line and comma
in the story is sacred.



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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 08:25:54 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
 wrote:

>If he would do some research and speak to those who were in Ike's
>death camps, he would see the truth.  However, he can't do that.
>Why?  Because if the camps(Ike's) existed and the government/
>mainstream media denied their existence, then the public would
>understand that they have been lied to.  And if they had been lied to
>about Ike's camps, then they would wonder as to whether they had been
>lied to concerning the NAZI death campls.

It is McVay's denial of Ike's camps and various other examples of
allied crimes that convinced me that he is quite insincere and that
his other historical claims are probably also bogus.



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Moslem cartoon character mohammed was a paedophile 6th century warlord 
and goat fucker who cooked up a false religion in order to supplement 
brutality as a means of bringing people under subjection wrote:
> Moslem cartoon character mohammed was a paedophile 6th century warlord 
> and goat fucker who cooked up a false religion in order to supplement 
> brutality as a means of bringing people under subjection wrote:
>> Yaako Warrior from AUZ, Germany, RSA, USA, Sweden, Hong Kong, Canada, 
>> Russia, China, Denmark, UK, .........., the slayer of fecal stained 
>> moslems wrote:
>>> Yaako Warrior from AUZ, Germany, RSA, USA, Sweden, Hong Kong, Canada, 
>>> Russia, China, Denmark, UK, .........., the slayer of fecal stained 
>>> moslems wrote:
>>>> Yaako Warrior from AUZ, Germany, RSA, USA, Sweden, Hong Kong, 
>>>> Canada, Russia, China, Denmark, UK, .........., the slayer of fecal 
>>>> stained moslems. wrote:
>>>>> Did you know? - bestiality is entrenched in the mozlim cult - even 
>>>>> the false profit mohammed had his harem of favourite goats and camels
>>>>>
>>>> HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN  MOSLEM - this is how: fuck goats, fuck 
>>>> your mother (nikomak), molest children, wear a beekeepers outfit all 
>>>> the time, never shower or bath, beat your wives, learn terrorist 
>>>> activities at a maddrassa, wipe your ass with stones, sell the 
>>>> donkey you fucked to a nearby village, marry a nine year-old , send 
>>>> your child off to an indoctrination camp, practice thighing with 
>>>> little kids, ............ Practice all those and you too could 
>>>> become a prophet !!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Elif air ab tizak mohammad !!!!
>>>>
>>>> helpinggaza@gmail.co.za
>>>> helpinggaza@gmail.com
>>>> nextsapresidents@gmail.com
>>>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or
>>>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>>>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>>>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>>>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>>>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>>>> fesack@wn.apc.org
>>>> arah1958@gmail.com
>>>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>>>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>>>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>>>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>>>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>>>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>>>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> ** Posted from LINKdotNET -Jordan  **
>>>> http://www.link.net
>>>>     Cybertrust Australia Pty Ltd
>>>> Fastlink, Jordan
>>>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>>>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                _
>>>>                              /'_/)
>>>>                            ,/_  /
>>>>                           /    /
>>>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>>>                  \      /
>>>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>>>                     \             (
>>>>                       \            \
>>>>
>>>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>>>
>>>> helpinggaza@gmail.co.za
>>>> helpinggaza@gmail.com
>>>> fesack@wn.apc.org
>>>> nextsapresidents@gmail.com
>>>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>>>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>>>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>>>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>>>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>>>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>>>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>>>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>>>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>>>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>>>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>>>> arah1958@gmail.com
>>>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>>>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>>>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>>>
>>>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>>>
>>>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>>>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                _
>>>>                              /'_/)
>>>>                            ,/_  /
>>>>                           /    /
>>>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>>>                  \      /
>>>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>>>                     \             (
>>>>                       \            \
>>>>
>>>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>>>
>>>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>>>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>>>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>>>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>>>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>>>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>>>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>>>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>>>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>>>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>>>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>>>> arah1958@gmail.com
>>>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>>>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>>>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>>>
>>>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>>>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                _
>>>>                              /'_/)
>>>>                            ,/_  /
>>>>                           /    /
>>>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>>>                  \      /
>>>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>>>                     \             (
>>>>                       \            \
>>>>
>>>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>>>
>>>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>>>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>>>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>>>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>>>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>>>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>>>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>>>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>>>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>>>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>>>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>>>> arah1958@gmail.com
>>>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>>>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>>>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>>>
>>>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>>>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                _
>>>>                              /'_/)
>>>>                            ,/_  /
>>>>                           /    /
>>>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>>>                  \      /
>>>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>>>                     \             (
>>>>                       \            \
>>>>
>>>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>>>
>>>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>>>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>>>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>>>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>>>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>>>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>>>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>>>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>>>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>>>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>>>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>>>> arah1958@gmail.com
>>>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>>>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>>>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>>>
>>>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>>>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                _
>>>>                              /'_/)
>>>>                            ,/_  /
>>>>                           /    /
>>>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>>>                  \      /
>>>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>>>                     \             (
>>>>                       \            \
>>>>
>>>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>>>
>>>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>>>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>>>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>>>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>>>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>>>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>>>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>>>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>>>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>>>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>>>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>>>> arah1958@gmail.com
>>>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>>>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>>>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>>>
>>>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>>>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                _
>>>>                              /'_/)
>>>>                            ,/_  /
>>>>                           /    /
>>>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>>>                  \      /
>>>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>>>                     \             (
>>>>                       \            \
>>>>
>>>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>>>
>>>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>>>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>>>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>>>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>>>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>>>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>>>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>>>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>>>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>>>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>>>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>>>> arah1958@gmail.com
>>>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>>>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>>>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>>>
>>>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>>>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                _
>>>>                              /'_/)
>>>>                            ,/_  /
>>>>                           /    /
>>>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>>>                  \      /
>>>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>>>                     \             (
>>>>                       \            \
>>>>
>>>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>>>
>>>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>>>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>>>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>>>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>>>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>>>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>>>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>>>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>>>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>>>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>>>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>>>> arah1958@gmail.com
>>>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>>>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>>>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>>>
>>>> ** Posted from LINKdotNET -Jordan  **
>>>> http://www.link.net
>>>>     Cybertrust Australia Pty Ltd
>>>> Fastlink, Jordan
>>> HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN  MOSLEM - this is how: fuck goats, fuck your 
>>> mother (nikomak), molest children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the 
>>> time, never shower or bath, beat your wives, learn terrorist 
>>> activities at a maddrassa, wipe your ass with stones, sell the donkey 
>>> you fucked to a nearby village, marry a nine year-old , send your 
>>> child off to an indoctrination camp, practice thighing with little 
>>> kids, ............ Practice all those and you too could become a 
>>> prophet !!
>>>
>>>
>>> Elif air ab tizak mohammad !!!!
>>>
>>> helpinggaza@gmail.co.za
>>> helpinggaza@gmail.com
>>> nextsapresidents@gmail.com
>>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or
>>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>>> fesack@wn.apc.org
>>> arah1958@gmail.com
>>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>>>
>>> ** Posted from LINKdotNET -Jordan  **
>>> http://www.link.net
>>>     Cybertrust Australia Pty Ltd
>>> Fastlink, Jordan
>>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>>
>>>
>>>                                _
>>>                              /'_/)
>>>                            ,/_  /
>>>                           /    /
>>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>>                  \      /
>>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>>                     \             (
>>>                       \            \
>>>
>>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>>
>>> helpinggaza@gmail.co.za
>>> helpinggaza@gmail.com
>>> fesack@wn.apc.org
>>> nextsapresidents@gmail.com
>>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>>> arah1958@gmail.com
>>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>>
>>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>>
>>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>>
>>>
>>>                                _
>>>                              /'_/)
>>>                            ,/_  /
>>>                           /    /
>>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>>                  \      /
>>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>>                     \             (
>>>                       \            \
>>>
>>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>>
>>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>>> arah1958@gmail.com
>>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>>
>>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>>
>>>
>>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>>
>>>
>>>                                _
>>>                              /'_/)
>>>                            ,/_  /
>>>                           /    /
>>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>>                  \      /
>>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>>                     \             (
>>>                       \            \
>>>
>>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>>
>>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>>> arah1958@gmail.com
>>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>>
>>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>>
>>>
>>>                                _
>>>                              /'_/)
>>>                            ,/_  /
>>>                           /    /
>>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>>                  \      /
>>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>>                     \             (
>>>                       \            \
>>>
>>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>>
>>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>>> arah1958@gmail.com
>>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>>
>>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>>
>>>
>>>                                _
>>>                              /'_/)
>>>                            ,/_  /
>>>                           /    /
>>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>>                  \      /
>>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>>                     \             (
>>>                       \            \
>>>
>>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>>
>>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>>> arah1958@gmail.com
>>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>>
>>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>>
>>>
>>>                                _
>>>                              /'_/)
>>>                            ,/_  /
>>>                           /    /
>>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>>                  \      /
>>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>>                     \             (
>>>                       \            \
>>>
>>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>>
>>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>>> arah1958@gmail.com
>>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>>
>>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>>
>>>
>>>                                _
>>>                              /'_/)
>>>                            ,/_  /
>>>                           /    /
>>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>>                  \      /
>>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>>                     \             (
>>>                       \            \
>>>
>>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>>
>>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>>> arah1958@gmail.com
>>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>>
>>> ** Posted from LINKdotNET -Jordan  **
>>> http://www.link.net
>>>     Cybertrust Australia Pty Ltd
>>> Fastlink, Jordan
>>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>>
>>>
>>>                                _
>>>                              /'_/)
>>>                            ,/_  /
>>>                           /    /
>>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>>                  \      /
>>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>>                     \             (
>>>                       \            \
>>>
>>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>>
>>> helpinggaza@gmail.co.za
>>> helpinggaza@gmail.com
>>> fesack@wn.apc.org
>>> nextsapresidents@gmail.com
>>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>>> arah1958@gmail.com
>>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>>
>>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>>
>>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>>
>>>
>>>                                _
>>>                              /'_/)
>>>                            ,/_  /
>>>                           /    /
>>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>>                  \      /
>>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>>                     \             (
>>>                       \            \
>>>
>>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>>
>>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>>> arah1958@gmail.com
>>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>>
>>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>>
>>>
>>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>>
>>>
>>>                                _
>>>                              /'_/)
>>>                            ,/_  /
>>>                           /    /
>>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>>                  \      /
>>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>>                     \             (
>>>                       \            \
>>>
>>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>>
>>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>>> arah1958@gmail.com
>>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>>
>>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>>
>>>
>>>                                _
>>>                              /'_/)
>>>                            ,/_  /
>>>                           /    /
>>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>>                  \      /
>>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>>                     \             (
>>>                       \            \
>>>
>>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>>
>>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>>> arah1958@gmail.com
>>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>>
>>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>>
>>>
>>>                                _
>>>                              /'_/)
>>>                            ,/_  /
>>>                           /    /
>>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>>                  \      /
>>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>>                     \             (
>>>                       \            \
>>>
>>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>>
>>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>>> arah1958@gmail.com
>>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>>
>>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>>
>>>
>>>                                _
>>>                              /'_/)
>>>                            ,/_  /
>>>                           /    /
>>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>>                  \      /
>>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>>                     \             (
>>>                       \            \
>>>
>>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>>
>>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>>> arah1958@gmail.com
>>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>>
>>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>>
>>>
>>>                                _
>>>                              /'_/)
>>>                            ,/_  /
>>>                           /    /
>>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>>                  \      /
>>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>>                     \             (
>>>                       \            \
>>>
>>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>>
>>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>>> arah1958@gmail.com
>>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>>
>>> ** Posted from LINKdotNET -Jordan  **
>>> http://www.link.net
>>>     Cybertrust Australia Pty Ltd
>>> Fastlink, Jordan
>> HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN  MOSLEM - this is how: fuck goats, fuck your 
>> mother (nikomak), molest children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the 
>> time, never shower or bath, beat your wives, learn terrorist 
>> activities at a maddrassa, wipe your ass with stones, sell the donkey 
>> you fucked to a nearby village, marry a nine year-old , send your 
>> child off to an indoctrination camp, practice thighing with little 
>> kids, ............ Practice all those and you too could become a 
>> prophet !!
>>
>>
>> Elif air ab tizak mohammad !!!!
>>
>> helpinggaza@gmail.co.za
>> helpinggaza@gmail.com
>> nextsapresidents@gmail.com
>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or
>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>> fesack@wn.apc.org
>> arah1958@gmail.com
>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>>
>> ** Posted from LINKdotNET -Jordan  **
>> http://www.link.net
>>     Cybertrust Australia Pty Ltd
>> Fastlink, Jordan
>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>
>>
>>                                _
>>                              /'_/)
>>                            ,/_  /
>>                           /    /
>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>                  \      /
>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>                     \             (
>>                       \            \
>>
>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>
>> helpinggaza@gmail.co.za
>> helpinggaza@gmail.com
>> fesack@wn.apc.org
>> nextsapresidents@gmail.com
>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>> arah1958@gmail.com
>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>
>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>
>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>
>>
>>                                _
>>                              /'_/)
>>                            ,/_  /
>>                           /    /
>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>                  \      /
>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>                     \             (
>>                       \            \
>>
>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>
>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>> arah1958@gmail.com
>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>
>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>
>>
>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>
>>
>>                                _
>>                              /'_/)
>>                            ,/_  /
>>                           /    /
>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>                  \      /
>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>                     \             (
>>                       \            \
>>
>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>
>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>> arah1958@gmail.com
>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>
>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>
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>>
>>
>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>
>>
>>                                _
>>                              /'_/)
>>                            ,/_  /
>>                           /    /
>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>                  \      /
>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>                     \             (
>>                       \            \
>>
>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>
>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>> arah1958@gmail.com
>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>
>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>
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>>
>>
>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>
>>
>>                                _
>>                              /'_/)
>>                            ,/_  /
>>                           /    /
>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>                  \      /
>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>                     \             (
>>                       \            \
>>
>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>
>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>> arah1958@gmail.com
>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>
>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>
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>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>
>>
>>                                _
>>                              /'_/)
>>                            ,/_  /
>>                           /    /
>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>                  \      /
>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>                     \             (
>>                       \            \
>>
>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>
>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>> arah1958@gmail.com
>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>
>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>
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>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>
>>
>>                                _
>>                              /'_/)
>>                            ,/_  /
>>                           /    /
>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>                  \      /
>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>                     \             (
>>                       \            \
>>
>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>
>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>> arah1958@gmail.com
>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>
>> ** Posted from LINKdotNET -Jordan  **
>> http://www.link.net
>>     Cybertrust Australia Pty Ltd
>> Fastlink, Jordan
>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>
>>
>>                                _
>>                              /'_/)
>>                            ,/_  /
>>                           /    /
>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>                  \      /
>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>                     \             (
>>                       \            \
>>
>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>
>> helpinggaza@gmail.co.za
>> helpinggaza@gmail.com
>> fesack@wn.apc.org
>> nextsapresidents@gmail.com
>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>> arah1958@gmail.com
>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>
>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>
>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>
>>
>>                                _
>>                              /'_/)
>>                            ,/_  /
>>                           /    /
>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>                  \      /
>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>                     \             (
>>                       \            \
>>
>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>
>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>> arah1958@gmail.com
>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>
>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>
>>
>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>
>>
>>                                _
>>                              /'_/)
>>                            ,/_  /
>>                           /    /
>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>                  \      /
>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>                     \             (
>>                       \            \
>>
>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>
>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>> arah1958@gmail.com
>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>
>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>
>>
>>                                _
>>                              /'_/)
>>                            ,/_  /
>>                           /    /
>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>                  \      /
>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>                     \             (
>>                       \            \
>>
>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>
>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>> arah1958@gmail.com
>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>
>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>
>>
>>                                _
>>                              /'_/)
>>                            ,/_  /
>>                           /    /
>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>                  \      /
>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>                     \             (
>>                       \            \
>>
>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>
>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>> arah1958@gmail.com
>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>
>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>
>>
>>                                _
>>                              /'_/)
>>                            ,/_  /
>>                           /    /
>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>                  \      /
>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>                     \             (
>>                       \            \
>>
>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>
>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>> arah1958@gmail.com
>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>
>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>
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>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>
>>
>>                                _
>>                              /'_/)
>>                            ,/_  /
>>                           /    /
>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>                  \      /
>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>                     \             (
>>                       \            \
>>
>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>
>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>> arah1958@gmail.com
>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>
>> ** Posted from LINKdotNET -Jordan  **
>> http://www.link.net
>>     Cybertrust Australia Pty Ltd
>> Fastlink, Jordan
>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>
>>
>>                                _
>>                              /'_/)
>>                            ,/_  /
>>                           /    /
>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>                  \      /
>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>                     \             (
>>                       \            \
>>
>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>
>> helpinggaza@gmail.co.za
>> helpinggaza@gmail.com
>> fesack@wn.apc.org
>> nextsapresidents@gmail.com
>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>> arah1958@gmail.com
>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>
>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>
>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>
>>
>>                                _
>>                              /'_/)
>>                            ,/_  /
>>                           /    /
>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>                  \      /
>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>                     \             (
>>                       \            \
>>
>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>
>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>> arah1958@gmail.com
>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>
>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>
>>
>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>
>>
>>                                _
>>                              /'_/)
>>                            ,/_  /
>>                           /    /
>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>                  \      /
>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>                     \             (
>>                       \            \
>>
>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>
>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>> arah1958@gmail.com
>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>
>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>
>>
>>                                _
>>                              /'_/)
>>                            ,/_  /
>>                           /    /
>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>                  \      /
>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>                     \             (
>>                       \            \
>>
>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>
>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>> arah1958@gmail.com
>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>
>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>
>>
>>                                _
>>                              /'_/)
>>                            ,/_  /
>>                           /    /
>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>                  \      /
>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>                     \             (
>>                       \            \
>>
>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>
>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>> arah1958@gmail.com
>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>
>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>
>>
>>                                _
>>                              /'_/)
>>                            ,/_  /
>>                           /    /
>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>                  \      /
>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>                     \             (
>>                       \            \
>>
>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>
>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>> arah1958@gmail.com
>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>
>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
>> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
>>
>>
>>                                _
>>                              /'_/)
>>                            ,/_  /
>>                           /    /
>>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>>                  \      /
>>                   '\'              _.7'
>>                     \             (
>>                       \            \
>>
>> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>>
>> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
>> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
>> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
>> fahmi@telkomsa.net
>> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
>> dsirc@mweb.co.za
>> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
>> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
>> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
>> helpline@sanha.org.za
>> arah1958@gmail.com
>> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
>> furtivo4000@gmail.com
>> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
>>
>> ** Posted from LINKdotNET -Jordan  **
>> http://www.link.net
>>     Cybertrust Australia Pty Ltd
>> Fastlink, Jordan
> HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN  MOSLEM - this is how: fuck goats, fuck your 
> mother (nikomak), molest children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the 
> time, never shower or bath, beat your wives, learn terrorist activities 
> at a maddrassa, wipe your ass with stones, sell the donkey you fucked to 
> a nearby village, marry a nine year-old , send your child off to an 
> indoctrination camp, practice thighing with little kids, ............ 
> Practice all those and you too could become a prophet !!
> 
> 
> Elif air ab tizak mohammad !!!!
> 
> helpinggaza@gmail.co.za
> helpinggaza@gmail.com
> nextsapresidents@gmail.com
> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or
> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
> fahmi@telkomsa.net
> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
> dsirc@mweb.co.za
> fesack@wn.apc.org
> arah1958@gmail.com
> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
> helpline@sanha.org.za
> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
> furtivo4000@gmail.com
> 
> ** Posted from LINKdotNET -Jordan  **
> http://www.link.net
>     Cybertrust Australia Pty Ltd
> Fastlink, Jordan
> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
> 
> 
>                                _
>                              /'_/)
>                            ,/_  /
>                           /    /
>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>                  \      /
>                   '\'              _.7'
>                     \             (
>                       \            \
> 
> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
> 
> helpinggaza@gmail.co.za
> helpinggaza@gmail.com
> fesack@wn.apc.org
> nextsapresidents@gmail.com
> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
> fahmi@telkomsa.net
> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
> dsirc@mweb.co.za
> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
> helpline@sanha.org.za
> arah1958@gmail.com
> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
> furtivo4000@gmail.com
> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
> 
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
> 
> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
> 
> 
>                                _
>                              /'_/)
>                            ,/_  /
>                           /    /
>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>                  \      /
>                   '\'              _.7'
>                     \             (
>                       \            \
> 
> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
> 
> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
> fahmi@telkomsa.net
> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
> dsirc@mweb.co.za
> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
> helpline@sanha.org.za
> arah1958@gmail.com
> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
> furtivo4000@gmail.com
> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
> 
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
> 
> 
> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
> 
> 
>                                _
>                              /'_/)
>                            ,/_  /
>                           /    /
>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>                  \      /
>                   '\'              _.7'
>                     \             (
>                       \            \
> 
> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
> 
> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
> fahmi@telkomsa.net
> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
> dsirc@mweb.co.za
> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
> helpline@sanha.org.za
> arah1958@gmail.com
> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
> furtivo4000@gmail.com
> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
> 
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
> 
> 
>                                _
>                              /'_/)
>                            ,/_  /
>                           /    /
>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>                  \      /
>                   '\'              _.7'
>                     \             (
>                       \            \
> 
> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
> 
> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
> fahmi@telkomsa.net
> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
> dsirc@mweb.co.za
> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
> helpline@sanha.org.za
> arah1958@gmail.com
> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
> furtivo4000@gmail.com
> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
> 
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
> 
> 
>                                _
>                              /'_/)
>                            ,/_  /
>                           /    /
>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>                  \      /
>                   '\'              _.7'
>                     \             (
>                       \            \
> 
> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
> 
> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
> fahmi@telkomsa.net
> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
> dsirc@mweb.co.za
> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
> helpline@sanha.org.za
> arah1958@gmail.com
> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
> furtivo4000@gmail.com
> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
> 
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
> 
> 
>                                _
>                              /'_/)
>                            ,/_  /
>                           /    /
>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>                  \      /
>                   '\'              _.7'
>                     \             (
>                       \            \
> 
> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
> 
> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
> fahmi@telkomsa.net
> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
> dsirc@mweb.co.za
> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
> helpline@sanha.org.za
> arah1958@gmail.com
> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
> furtivo4000@gmail.com
> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
> 
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
> 
> 
>                                _
>                              /'_/)
>                            ,/_  /
>                           /    /
>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>                  \      /
>                   '\'              _.7'
>                     \             (
>                       \            \
> 
> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
> 
> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
> fahmi@telkomsa.net
> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
> dsirc@mweb.co.za
> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
> helpline@sanha.org.za
> arah1958@gmail.com
> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
> furtivo4000@gmail.com
> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
> 
> ** Posted from LINKdotNET -Jordan  **
> http://www.link.net
>     Cybertrust Australia Pty Ltd
> Fastlink, Jordan
> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
> 
> 
>                                _
>                              /'_/)
>                            ,/_  /
>                           /    /
>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>                  \      /
>                   '\'              _.7'
>                     \             (
>                       \            \
> 
> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
> 
> helpinggaza@gmail.co.za
> helpinggaza@gmail.com
> fesack@wn.apc.org
> nextsapresidents@gmail.com
> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
> fahmi@telkomsa.net
> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
> dsirc@mweb.co.za
> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
> helpline@sanha.org.za
> arah1958@gmail.com
> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
> furtivo4000@gmail.com
> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
> 
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
> 
> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
> 
> 
>                                _
>                              /'_/)
>                            ,/_  /
>                           /    /
>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>                  \      /
>                   '\'              _.7'
>                     \             (
>                       \            \
> 
> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
> 
> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
> fahmi@telkomsa.net
> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
> dsirc@mweb.co.za
> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
> helpline@sanha.org.za
> arah1958@gmail.com
> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
> furtivo4000@gmail.com
> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
> 
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
> 
> 
> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
> 
> 
>                                _
>                              /'_/)
>                            ,/_  /
>                           /    /
>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>                  \      /
>                   '\'              _.7'
>                     \             (
>                       \            \
> 
> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
> 
> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
> fahmi@telkomsa.net
> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
> dsirc@mweb.co.za
> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
> helpline@sanha.org.za
> arah1958@gmail.com
> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
> furtivo4000@gmail.com
> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
> 
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
> 
> 
>                                _
>                              /'_/)
>                            ,/_  /
>                           /    /
>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>                  \      /
>                   '\'              _.7'
>                     \             (
>                       \            \
> 
> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
> 
> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
> fahmi@telkomsa.net
> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
> dsirc@mweb.co.za
> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
> helpline@sanha.org.za
> arah1958@gmail.com
> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
> furtivo4000@gmail.com
> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
> 
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
> 
> 
>                                _
>                              /'_/)
>                            ,/_  /
>                           /    /
>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>                  \      /
>                   '\'              _.7'
>                     \             (
>                       \            \
> 
> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
> 
> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
> fahmi@telkomsa.net
> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
> dsirc@mweb.co.za
> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
> helpline@sanha.org.za
> arah1958@gmail.com
> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
> furtivo4000@gmail.com
> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
> 
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
> 
> 
>                                _
>                              /'_/)
>                            ,/_  /
>                           /    /
>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>                  \      /
>                   '\'              _.7'
>                     \             (
>                       \            \
> 
> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
> 
> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
> fahmi@telkomsa.net
> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
> dsirc@mweb.co.za
> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
> helpline@sanha.org.za
> arah1958@gmail.com
> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
> furtivo4000@gmail.com
> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
> 
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
> 
> 
>                                _
>                              /'_/)
>                            ,/_  /
>                           /    /
>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>                  \      /
>                   '\'              _.7'
>                     \             (
>                       \            \
> 
> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
> 
> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
> fahmi@telkomsa.net
> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
> dsirc@mweb.co.za
> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
> helpline@sanha.org.za
> arah1958@gmail.com
> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
> furtivo4000@gmail.com
> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
> 
> ** Posted from LINKdotNET -Jordan  **
> http://www.link.net
>     Cybertrust Australia Pty Ltd
> Fastlink, Jordan
> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
> 
> 
>                                _
>                              /'_/)
>                            ,/_  /
>                           /    /
>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>                  \      /
>                   '\'              _.7'
>                     \             (
>                       \            \
> 
> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
> 
> helpinggaza@gmail.co.za
> helpinggaza@gmail.com
> fesack@wn.apc.org
> nextsapresidents@gmail.com
> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
> fahmi@telkomsa.net
> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
> dsirc@mweb.co.za
> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
> helpline@sanha.org.za
> arah1958@gmail.com
> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
> furtivo4000@gmail.com
> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
> 
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
> 
> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
> 
> 
>                                _
>                              /'_/)
>                            ,/_  /
>                           /    /
>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>                  \      /
>                   '\'              _.7'
>                     \             (
>                       \            \
> 
> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
> 
> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
> fahmi@telkomsa.net
> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
> dsirc@mweb.co.za
> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
> helpline@sanha.org.za
> arah1958@gmail.com
> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
> furtivo4000@gmail.com
> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
> 
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
> 
> 
> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
> 
> 
>                                _
>                              /'_/)
>                            ,/_  /
>                           /    /
>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>                  \      /
>                   '\'              _.7'
>                     \             (
>                       \            \
> 
> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
> 
> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
> fahmi@telkomsa.net
> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
> dsirc@mweb.co.za
> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
> helpline@sanha.org.za
> arah1958@gmail.com
> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
> furtivo4000@gmail.com
> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
> 
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
> 
> 
>                                _
>                              /'_/)
>                            ,/_  /
>                           /    /
>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>                  \      /
>                   '\'              _.7'
>                     \             (
>                       \            \
> 
> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
> 
> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
> fahmi@telkomsa.net
> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
> dsirc@mweb.co.za
> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
> helpline@sanha.org.za
> arah1958@gmail.com
> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
> furtivo4000@gmail.com
> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
> 
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
> 
> 
>                                _
>                              /'_/)
>                            ,/_  /
>                           /    /
>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>                  \      /
>                   '\'              _.7'
>                     \             (
>                       \            \
> 
> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
> 
> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
> fahmi@telkomsa.net
> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
> dsirc@mweb.co.za
> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
> helpline@sanha.org.za
> arah1958@gmail.com
> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
> furtivo4000@gmail.com
> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
> 
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
> 
> 
>                                _
>                              /'_/)
>                            ,/_  /
>                           /    /
>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>                  \      /
>                   '\'              _.7'
>                     \             (
>                       \            \
> 
> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
> 
> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
> fahmi@telkomsa.net
> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
> dsirc@mweb.co.za
> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
> helpline@sanha.org.za
> arah1958@gmail.com
> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
> furtivo4000@gmail.com
> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
> 
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
> 
> 
>                                _
>                              /'_/)
>                            ,/_  /
>                           /    /
>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>                  \      /
>                   '\'              _.7'
>                     \             (
>                       \            \
> 
> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
> 
> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
> fahmi@telkomsa.net
> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
> dsirc@mweb.co.za
> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
> helpline@sanha.org.za
> arah1958@gmail.com
> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
> furtivo4000@gmail.com
> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
> 
> ** Posted from LINKdotNET -Jordan  **
> http://www.link.net
>     Cybertrust Australia Pty Ltd
> Fastlink, Jordan
> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
> 
> 
>                                _
>                              /'_/)
>                            ,/_  /
>                           /    /
>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>                  \      /
>                   '\'              _.7'
>                     \             (
>                       \            \
> 
> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
> 
> helpinggaza@gmail.co.za
> helpinggaza@gmail.com
> fesack@wn.apc.org
> nextsapresidents@gmail.com
> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
> fahmi@telkomsa.net
> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
> dsirc@mweb.co.za
> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
> helpline@sanha.org.za
> arah1958@gmail.com
> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
> furtivo4000@gmail.com
> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
> 
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
> 
> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
> 
> 
>                                _
>                              /'_/)
>                            ,/_  /
>                           /    /
>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>                  \      /
>                   '\'              _.7'
>                     \             (
>                       \            \
> 
> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
> 
> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
> fahmi@telkomsa.net
> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
> dsirc@mweb.co.za
> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
> helpline@sanha.org.za
> arah1958@gmail.com
> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
> furtivo4000@gmail.com
> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
> 
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
> 
> 
> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
> 
> 
>                                _
>                              /'_/)
>                            ,/_  /
>                           /    /
>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>                  \      /
>                   '\'              _.7'
>                     \             (
>                       \            \
> 
> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
> 
> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
> fahmi@telkomsa.net
> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
> dsirc@mweb.co.za
> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
> helpline@sanha.org.za
> arah1958@gmail.com
> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
> furtivo4000@gmail.com
> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
> 
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
> 
> 
>                                _
>                              /'_/)
>                            ,/_  /
>                           /    /
>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>                  \      /
>                   '\'              _.7'
>                     \             (
>                       \            \
> 
> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
> 
> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
> fahmi@telkomsa.net
> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
> dsirc@mweb.co.za
> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
> helpline@sanha.org.za
> arah1958@gmail.com
> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
> furtivo4000@gmail.com
> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
> 
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
> 
> 
>                                _
>                              /'_/)
>                            ,/_  /
>                           /    /
>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>                  \      /
>                   '\'              _.7'
>                     \             (
>                       \            \
> 
> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
> 
> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
> fahmi@telkomsa.net
> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
> dsirc@mweb.co.za
> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
> helpline@sanha.org.za
> arah1958@gmail.com
> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
> furtivo4000@gmail.com
> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
> 
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
> 
> 
>                                _
>                              /'_/)
>                            ,/_  /
>                           /    /
>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>                  \      /
>                   '\'              _.7'
>                     \             (
>                       \            \
> 
> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
> 
> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
> fahmi@telkomsa.net
> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
> dsirc@mweb.co.za
> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
> helpline@sanha.org.za
> arah1958@gmail.com
> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
> furtivo4000@gmail.com
> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
> 
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
> 
> 
>                                _
>                              /'_/)
>                            ,/_  /
>                           /    /
>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>                  \      /
>                   '\'              _.7'
>                     \             (
>                       \            \
> 
> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
> 
> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
> Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
> fahmi@telkomsa.net
> jamiat@islamsa.org.za
> dsirc@mweb.co.za
> jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
> sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
> sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
> sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
> helpline@sanha.org.za
> arah1958@gmail.com
> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
> furtivo4000@gmail.com
> ipcisa@yebo.co.za
> 
> ** Posted from LINKdotNET -Jordan  **
> http://www.link.net
>     Cybertrust Australia Pty Ltd
> Fastlink, Jordan
HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN  MOSLEM - this is how: fuck goats, fuck your 
mother (nikomak), molest children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the 
time, never shower or bath, beat your wives, learn terrorist activities 
at a maddrassa, wipe your ass with stones, sell the donkey you fucked to 
a nearby village, marry a nine year-old , send your child off to an 
indoctrination camp, practice thighing with little kids, ............ 
Practice all those and you too could become a prophet !!


Elif air ab tizak mohammad !!!!

helpinggaza@gmail.co.za
helpinggaza@gmail.com
nextsapresidents@gmail.com
info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or
Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
fahmi@telkomsa.net
ipcisa@yebo.co.za
politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
jamiat@islamsa.org.za
dsirc@mweb.co.za
fesack@wn.apc.org
arah1958@gmail.com
jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
helpline@sanha.org.za
islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
furtivo4000@gmail.com

** Posted from LINKdotNET -Jordan  **
http://www.link.net
	Cybertrust Australia Pty Ltd
Fastlink, Jordan
moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks


                                _
                              /'_/)
                            ,/_  /
                           /    /
                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
                 ('(    ' /'   ')
                  \      /
                   '\'              _.7'
                     \             (
                       \            \

Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!

helpinggaza@gmail.co.za
helpinggaza@gmail.com
fesack@wn.apc.org
nextsapresidents@gmail.com
info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
fahmi@telkomsa.net
jamiat@islamsa.org.za
dsirc@mweb.co.za
jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
helpline@sanha.org.za
arah1958@gmail.com
islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
furtivo4000@gmail.com
ipcisa@yebo.co.za

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks


                                _
                              /'_/)
                            ,/_  /
                           /    /
                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
                 ('(    ' /'   ')
                  \      /
                   '\'              _.7'
                     \             (
                       \            \

Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!

info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
fahmi@telkomsa.net
jamiat@islamsa.org.za
dsirc@mweb.co.za
jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
helpline@sanha.org.za
arah1958@gmail.com
islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
furtivo4000@gmail.com
ipcisa@yebo.co.za

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **


moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks


                                _
                              /'_/)
                            ,/_  /
                           /    /
                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
                 ('(    ' /'   ')
                  \      /
                   '\'              _.7'
                     \             (
                       \            \

Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!

info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
fahmi@telkomsa.net
jamiat@islamsa.org.za
dsirc@mweb.co.za
jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
helpline@sanha.org.za
arah1958@gmail.com
islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
furtivo4000@gmail.com
ipcisa@yebo.co.za

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **





moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks


                                _
                              /'_/)
                            ,/_  /
                           /    /
                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
                 ('(    ' /'   ')
                  \      /
                   '\'              _.7'
                     \             (
                       \            \

Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!

info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
fahmi@telkomsa.net
jamiat@islamsa.org.za
dsirc@mweb.co.za
jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
helpline@sanha.org.za
arah1958@gmail.com
islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
furtivo4000@gmail.com
ipcisa@yebo.co.za

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **







moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks


                                _
                              /'_/)
                            ,/_  /
                           /    /
                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
                 ('(    ' /'   ')
                  \      /
                   '\'              _.7'
                     \             (
                       \            \

Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!

info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
fahmi@telkomsa.net
jamiat@islamsa.org.za
dsirc@mweb.co.za
jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
helpline@sanha.org.za
arah1958@gmail.com
islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
furtivo4000@gmail.com
ipcisa@yebo.co.za

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **









moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks


                                _
                              /'_/)
                            ,/_  /
                           /    /
                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
                 ('(    ' /'   ')
                  \      /
                   '\'              _.7'
                     \             (
                       \            \

Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!

info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
fahmi@telkomsa.net
jamiat@islamsa.org.za
dsirc@mweb.co.za
jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
helpline@sanha.org.za
arah1958@gmail.com
islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
furtivo4000@gmail.com
ipcisa@yebo.co.za

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **










moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks


                                _
                              /'_/)
                            ,/_  /
                           /    /
                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
                 ('(    ' /'   ')
                  \      /
                   '\'              _.7'
                     \             (
                       \            \

Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!

info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
fahmi@telkomsa.net
jamiat@islamsa.org.za
dsirc@mweb.co.za
jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
helpline@sanha.org.za
arah1958@gmail.com
islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
furtivo4000@gmail.com
ipcisa@yebo.co.za

** Posted from LINKdotNET -Jordan  **
http://www.link.net
	Cybertrust Australia Pty Ltd
Fastlink, Jordan
moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks


                                _
                              /'_/)
                            ,/_  /
                           /    /
                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
                 ('(    ' /'   ')
                  \      /
                   '\'              _.7'
                     \             (
                       \            \

Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!

helpinggaza@gmail.co.za
helpinggaza@gmail.com
fesack@wn.apc.org
nextsapresidents@gmail.com
info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
Achmat.Samsodien@gmail.com
fahmi@telkomsa.net
jamiat@islamsa.org.za
dsirc@mweb.co.za
jamiatmp@lantic.co.za
sanha-kzn@sanha.org.za
sanha-gp@sanha.org.za
sanha-cpt@sanha.org.za
helpline@sanha.org.za
arah1958@gmail.com
islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
furtivo4000@gmail.com
ipcisa@yebo.co.za

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks


                                _
                              /'_/)
                            ,/_  /
                           /    /
                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
                 ('(    ' /'   ')
                  \      /
                   '\'              _.7'
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From ebersdorf@gmail.com Fri Apr 10 17:50:00 EDT 2009
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:56:15 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"Bent Attorney Esq."  wrote in message 
>news:bcc4476e-12e5-48b4-b76e-26dd4fbaf4f6@l39g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>> If he would do some research and speak to those who were in Ike's
>> death camps, he would see the truth.  However, he can't do that.
>> Why?  Because if the camps(Ike's) existed and the government/
>> mainstream media denied their existence, then the public would
>> understand that they have been lied to.  And if they had been lied to
>> about Ike's camps, then they would wonder as to whether they had been
>> lied to concerning the NAZI death campls.
>
>Perhaps it's you who are mistaken.
>
>What if you are wrong, if Mr. McVay has actually done the research and found 
>that the source materials are not convincing?

Mr. McVay has no education and is simply not qualified to do any
research.

>
>Bacque certainly isn't convincing, as anyone who understands the way he 
>misues figures can plainly see.

Why would Bacque do that, since he is an impartial Canadian with no
axe to grind on this subject? I understand why employees of the
holocaust™ industry would tend towards certain conclusions, the same
way as tobacco executives claimed for years that smoking cigarettes
was harmless or even beneficial. He who pays the piper calls the tune,
as the old saying goes. McVay is paid by the industry and he says
exactly what I would expect an employee of the industry to say.

>
>And where are the graves?    We know where many of the Nazi death camp 
>graves are, so where are the graves from these Allied camps you claim?
>
>
>


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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:22:15 -0700 (PDT), Matt Wiser
 wrote:

>On Mar 16, 12:01 pm, RJ11  wrote:
>> In article ,
>>
>> B.H. Cramer  wrote:
>>
>>    (snip)
>>
>>    Some typical rants from the Australian neo-Nazi activist posting
>> as "Cramer":
>>
>>    "You seem to think I am a backer of these Islamic monkeys. You
>> couldn't be further from the truth." --  Posted by "Ben Cramer",
>> Message-ID:
>>
>>    "Poofters should be fucked and burned." --  Posted by "Ben Cramer",
>> Message-ID:
>> <42942e83$0$247$61c65...@uq-127creek-reader-03.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au>
>>
>>    "Women like you and the cohen cunt should be treated like
>> gongs. Given a bloody good whack from time to time, to keep
>> you in tune." -- Posted by "Ben Cramer",  Message-ID:
>> <2JednRLNN48kYADYnZ2dnUVZ_oern...@giganews.com>.
>>
>>    "Yids are lice laddie" --  Posted by "Ben Cramer",  Message-ID
>> .
>>
>> RJ.
>
>No wonder he's wailing about his side losing WW II. I wonder if he
>knows that, had the Axis won, he'd be speaking Japanese now?

I rather doubt that we would be speaking Japanese, but why is that
such an obsessive fear for you? It is surely no worse than speaking
the American excuse for English.



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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:14:23 +1000, "B.H. Cramer"
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>
>"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
>news:GqadnSkNRfdtjiLUnZ2dnUVZ_gALAAAA@vex.net...
>> In article ,
>> I'll Always Be 16-03-09  wrote:
>>>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in
>>>news:n1vsr4h5lpmdudrdg09lte50rdi72bubah@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:56:15 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Bent Attorney Esq."  wrote in message
>>>>>news:bcc4476e-12e5-48b4-b76e-26dd4fbaf4f6
>>>@l39g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> If he would do some research and speak to those who were in Ike's
>>>>>> death camps, he would see the truth.  However, he can't do that.
>>>>>> Why?  Because if the camps(Ike's) existed and the government/
>>>>>> mainstream media denied their existence, then the public would
>>>>>> understand that they have been lied to.  And if they had been lied to
>>>>>> about Ike's camps, then they would wonder as to whether they had been
>>>>>> lied to concerning the NAZI death campls.
>>>>>
>>>>>Perhaps it's you who are mistaken.
>>>>>
>>>>>What if you are wrong, if Mr. McVay has actually done the research and
>>>>>found that the source materials are not convincing?
>>>>
>>>> Mr. McVay has no education and is simply not qualified to do any
>>>> research.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Bacque certainly isn't convincing, as anyone who understands the way he
>>>>>misues figures can plainly see.
>>>>
>>>> Why would Bacque do that, since he is an impartial Canadian with no
>>>> axe to grind on this subject? I understand why employees of the
>>>> holocaustT industry would tend towards certain conclusions, the same
>>>> way as tobacco executives claimed for years that smoking cigarettes
>>>> was harmless or even beneficial. He who pays the piper calls the tune,
>>>> as the old saying goes. McVay is paid by the industry and he says
>>>> exactly what I would expect an employee of the industry to say.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>And where are the graves?    We know where many of the Nazi death camp
>>>>>graves are, so where are the graves from these Allied camps you claim?
>>
>>>No answer to the question? What are you hiding?
>
>Lies and whining from the totally uneducated mcFey snipped. 

I see that the ignorant and uneducated McVay is still beating on his
skaliks drum despite having had no success with this nonsense in
months. Perhaps he believes that this dead horse will miraculously
resurrect? 


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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:39:51 +0100, ZuLu  wrote:

>m-weber escribió:
>> In article ,
>> Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>> 
>>>> Don't you "revisionist" folks claim that "over a million" German
>>>> POWs died in Allied camps?  Where is the physical evidence for
>>>> that,  pray tell?
>> 
>>> The last is fairly simple, since the Wehrmacht was aware of how many
>>> of its members were alive on May 8, 1945 and how many were alive once
>>> control was returned to German authorities in 1949. There is a
>>> multiple-million person discrepancy.
>> 
>> No there isn't.  Zero evidence.  No corpses,  no extermination
>> order,  no murder machinery,  nothing.  Zilch.  Nada. 
>> 
>>> The fate of German POWs has been extrensively treated by impartial
>>> writers such as the Canadian, James Bacques,
>> 
>> Who is a novelist,  not a historian,  and whose work lacks any
>> value whatsoever:
>> 
>> With regard to another of Mr. Bacque's conclusions, he arrives at his
>> sensational figure of one million dead through a system of analysis
>> that has left almost everyone who has tried to check his statistics
>> and methods befuddled. He did make one mistake because of a typing
>> error by a clerk. He saw a figure of 70,000 prisoners in an Army
>> medical report and then calculated the total death rate for all
>> prisoners in American hands on the basis of that number and the 21,000
>> deaths also mentioned in the report. That is, he arrived at his most
>> basic conclusion, a death rate in all camps of 30 percent, by dividing
>> the 21,000 deaths by the 70,000 prisoners. However, the 70,000 figure
>> should have been 10 times higher. All other figures in the document
>> make it clear that the correct number of prisoners was 700,000. This
>> would make the death rate not 30 percent but 3 percent.
>> 
>> In fact, as Albert Cowdrey of the Department of the Army's Center of
>> Military History reported to the conference, the overall death rate
>> among German prisoners was 1 percent.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>    But the greatest number of "other losses" is revealed in the August
>>    1945 Report of the Military Governor. (These monthly reports are in
>>    the Eisenhower Library in Abilene, Kan., in the National Archives
>>    in Washington and elsewhere; they are a basic source on every
>>    aspect of the occupation, including food shortages and prisoners.
>>    Mr. Bacque did not cite them and there is no evidence he examined
>>    them.) The August report lists the numbers of disarmed enemy forces
>>    discharged by American forces and those transferred to the British
>>    and French for forced labor.
>> 
>>    The report continues: "An additional group of 663,576 are listed as
>>    'other losses,' consisting largely of members of the Volksturm
>>    [Peoples' Militia], released without formal discharge."
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>
>Not only Bacque !
>
>This article implies that Bacque (and perhaps one or two others) is
>the only person making these claims against Eisenhower - this is
>incorrect. I am currently undertaking further research on this topic,
>and can already add the following people to the list :
>
>1. Martin Brech – he wrote the book “In Eisenhower's Death Camps: A
>U.S. Prison Guard's Story”, in which he describes his personal
>experiences in Germany after the war.
>
>2. Colonel Ernest F. Fisher, 101st Airborne Division, Senior
>Historian, United States Army – he wrote "Starting in April 1945, the
>United States Army and the French Army casually annihilated one
>million [German] men, most of them in American camps . . .
>Eisenhower's hatred, passed through the lens of a compliant military
>bureaucracy, produced the horror of death camps unequalled by anything
>in American history . . . an enormous war crime."
>
>3. General Robert Littlejohn - in a memorandum, he informed Eisenhower
>that 1,550,000 Germans who were supposed to be receiving U.S. army
>rations were getting nothing.
>
>4. Colonel James Mason and Colonel Charles Beasley, U.S. Army Medical
>Corps – they published a paper on the US prison camps in 1950,
>including the following description : "Huddled close together for
>warmth, behind the barbed wire was a most awesome sight; nearly
>100,000 haggard, apathetic, dirty, gaunt, blank-staring men clad in
>dirty gray uniforms, and standing ankle deep in mud."
>
>5. Max Huber, head of the International Red Cross – he wrote a letter
>to the U.S. State Department describing American interference in
>efforts to save starving Germans. Some months later he received a
>response, falsely claiming that giving Red Cross food to enemy
>personnel was forbidden.
>
>6. Jean-Pierre Pradervand, head of the International Red Cross
>delegations in France - in late 1945 he told Henry W. Dunning (an
>American Red Cross official) that conditions in the French camps were
>worse, in many instances, than anything seen in the former Nazi camps.
>
>And the list is still growing...
>
>It is quite disgraceful that there appears to be an on-going
>deliberate attempt to cover up the atrocities committed by the US army
>in Germany after the war. I welcome further discussion, after which I
>intend to add the above material (and more) to the
>article.Logicman1966 12:45, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
>
>GI testimony POW US Eisenhower's camps
>
>By Martin Brech
>
>  FORTY-FIVE years ago, I witnessed an atrocity: the deliberate
>  starvation of German POWs by our own army. History, written by the
>  victors, suppressed all news of this atrocity until James Bacque, a
>  Canadian author, published his brilliant expose, OTHER LOSSES. This
>  book is a best seller in Canada, a sensation in Europe, yet is
>  virtually unavailable (censored?) in the U.S. Our major booksellers
>  told me their distributors are not handling it. When I prevailed upon
>  a small, independent bookstore to order direct from Canada, the
>  publisher told them they would be the only store in New York State to
>  carry the book. This in 'the land of the free'?"
>
>  Fortunately, Pat Buchanan called attention to OTHER LOSSES in his
>  January 10, 1990 column. He wrote:
>
>    "Conclusion: the U.S. Army killed ten times as many Germans in POW
>  camps as we did on battlefields from Normandy to V.E. day. (German
>  POWs) had their rations cut below survival level until they were
>  dying at rates up to 30% of exposure, starvation and neglect... Red Cross
>  food trains were turned back and U.S. food shipments sat on the
>  docks...One French officer said the U.S. camps reminded him of Dachau
>  and Buchenwald...The book blames Eisenhower. 'The German is a beast,'
>  Ike had written... But that was not how the Canadians and British
>  felt, who treated their prisoners justly...It was not the view of
>  General Mark Clark, nor of Patton...Ignoring the book is not enough."
>
>  Pat Buchanan's courageous column inspired me to help end the cover-up
>  of the atrocity I had witnessed. I wrote letters to several
>  newspapers which were, of necessity, short and incomplete. Now I would like to
>  finally free more of my painful memories, hoping to be heard, so that
>  this will help us to acknowledge our share in the "banality of evil",
>  cleansing ourselves with the truth. Perhaps we as a nation may then
>  put this behind us with some integrity and with some hope for
>  redemption.
>
>  In October 1944, at age eighteen, I was drafted into the army while a
>  student at the NYS College of Forestry. Largely due to the "Battle of
>  the Bulge", my training was cut short, my furlough cut in half, and I
>  was then immediately sent overseas. Upon arrival in Le Havre, France,
>  we were quickly loaded into boxcars and shipped to the front. By the
>  time we reached it, I had developed mononucleosis severely enough to
>  be sent to a hospital in Belgium.
>
>  By the time I left the hospital, the unit I had trained with in
>  Spartenburg, South Carolina was so deeply into Germany that I warn
>  placed in a "repo depo" (a replacement depot) despite my protests. I
>  then lost interest in which units I was assigned to because
>  non-combat units were generally not respected. My separation qualification
>  record states that I served mostly with the 14th Infantry Regiment, during
>  which time I guarded prisoners of war and served as an interpreter.
>  During my seventeen month stay in Germany, I was transferred to other
>  outfits also.
>
>  In late March or early April 1945, I was assigned to help guard a POW
>  camp near Andernach along the Rhine. I had four years of high school
>  German, so I was able to talk to the prisoners, although this was
>  forbidden.
>
>  Gradually, however, I was used as an interpreter and asked to ferret
>  out the S.S. (I found none.)
>
>  In Andernach, between 50,000 and 65,000 prisoners, ranging in age
>  from very young teens to very old men, were crowded together in an open
>  field surrounded by barbed wire. The women were kept in a separate
>  enclosure which I did not see until later. The men I guarded had no
>  tents or other shelter, no blankets and many had no coats. Inadequate
>  numbers of slit trenches were provided for excrement, and so the men
>  lived and slept in the mud and increasing filth during a cold, wet
>  spring. Their misery from exposure alone was evident.
>
>  It was even more shocking to see them eating grass, sometimes
>  throwing it into a tin can containing a thin soup. They told me they did this
>  hoping to ease their hunger pains. Soon their emaciation was evident.
>  Dysentery raged and, too weak and crowded to reach the slit trenches,
>  they were increasingly sleeping in excrement. I saw no sign of
>  provision for water, so the thin soup was their food and water for
>  the day. Some days there was bread, less than a slice each. Other days
>  there was nothing.
>
>  The sight of so many men desperate for food and water, sickening and
>  dying before our eyes, is indescribable. Even now, I can only think
>  of it momentarily.
>
>  We had ample food and supplies that could have been shared more
>  humanely, and we could have offered some medical assistance, but did
>  nothing. Only the dead were quickly and efficiently taken care of:
>  hauled away to mass graves.
>
>  My outrage reached the point that I protested to my officers, but I
>  was met with hostility or bland indifference. When pressed, they
>  explained they were under strict orders from "higher up". No officer
>  would dare to systematically do this to over 50,000 prisoners if he
>  felt he was violating general policy and subject to court martial.
>  The term "war criminal" was just beginning to come into fashion.
>
>  Realizing my protests were useless, I asked a friend working in the
>  kitchen if he could slip me some extra food for the prisoners. He too
>  repeated that they were under strict orders to severely ration the
>  prisoners' food, and that these orders came from "higher up". But he
>  said they had more food than they knew what to do with and would
>  sneak me some.
>
>  When I threw this food over the barbed wires to the prisoners I was
>  caught and threatened with imprisonment. I repeated the "offense",
>  and one officer threatened to shoot me. I naturally assumed this was a
>  bluff, but I began to have some doubts after I encountered a captain
>  on a hill above the Rhine shooting down at a group of German civilian
>  women with his .45 caliber pistol. When I asked, "Why?" he mumbled,
>  "Target practice," and fired until his pistol was empty. I saw the
>  women running for cover, but, at that distance, couldn't tell if any
>  had been hit.
>
>  This is when I more fully realized I was dealing with some cold-
>  blooded killers filled with moralistic hatred. They considered the
>  Germans sub-human and worthy of extermination; another expression of
>  the downward spiral of racism. Articles in the G.I. newspaper, Stars
>  & Stripes, played up the Nazi concentration camps, complete with
>  photographs of emaciated bodies; this amplified our self-righteous
>  cruelty and made it easier to imitate behavior we were supposed to
>  oppose. Also, I think, soldiers not exposed to combat were trying to
>  prove how tough they were by taking it out on the prisoners and
>  civilians. At least, many combat soldiers told me later they would
>  not have tolerated this, for they combined hatred with respect for a
>  courageous enemy.
>
>  The prisoners I spoke to were mostly simple farmers and workingmen,
>  as ignorant, albeit nationalistic, as many of our own troops. I heard
>  many versions of "my country, right or wrong, my country," which we
>  still hear in our own country today.
>
>  As time went on, many of them lapsed into a Zombie-like state of
>  listlessness. Others, maddened by thirst, tried to escape in a
>  desperate or suicidal fashion, running through open fields in broad
>  daylight towards the Rhine to quench their thirst. They were mowed
>  down.
>
>  Some prisoners were extremely eager for cigarettes, saying they took
>  the edge off their hunger. Accordingly, some enterprising G.I.
>  "Yankee traders" were acquiring hordes of wrist watches and rings in exchange
>  for handfuls of cigarettes or less. When I began throwing cartons of
>  cigarettes to the prisoners to ruin this trade, I found myself
>  threatened by rank-and-file G.I.s also. At least this taught me an
>  indelible lesson: how wrong majorities and authorities can be.
>
>  A bright spot in this gloomy picture came, oddly enough, one night
>  when I was put on the "graveyard shift", from two to four A.M.
>  Actually, there was a graveyard on the uphill side of this enclosure,
>  not many yards away. My superiors had forgotten to give me a
>  flashlight and I hadn't bothered to ask, being disgusted with the
>  whole situation by that time. It was a fairly bright night and I soon
>  became aware of a prisoner crawling under the wires to the graveyard.
>  We were supposed to shoot escapees on sight, so I started to get up
>  to warn him to get back. Suddenly I noticed another prisoner crawling
>  from the graveyard back to the enclosure. They were risking their
>  lives to get to the graveyard for something; I had to investigate.
>
>  When I entered the gloom of this shrubby, tree-shaded cemetery, I
>  never felt more vulnerable, but somehow curiosity kept me going.
>  Despite my caution, I tripped over the legs of someone in a prone
>  position. Whipping my rifle around while stumbling and trying to
>  regain composure of mind and body, I soon was relieved I hadn't
>  reflexively fired. The figure sat up, moving erratically. Gradually I
>  could see the beautiful but terror-stricken face of a woman with a
>  picnic basket nearby. German civilians were not allowed to feed, nor
>  even come near, the prisoners, so I quickly assured her I approved of
>  what she was doing, not to be afraid, and that I would leave the
>  graveyard to get out of the way, telling no one.
>
>  I left the graveyard as quickly as possible and sat down, leaning
>  against a tree at the edge CF the cemetery to be inconspicuous and
>  not frighten the prisoners. I imagined then, and often since, what it
>  would be like to be a prisoner under those conditions and meet a
>  beautiful woman with a picnic basket. I never saw her again, but I
>  have never forgotten her face.
>
>  While I watched, more prisoners crawled to and from the enclosure. I
>  saw they were dragging food back to their comrades and could only
>  admire their courage and devotion. As I walked back to my quarters at
>  the end of my shift, a nightingale and I were singing -- both felt a
>  touch of spring.
>
>  (I originally did not intend to reveal the following incident, for it
>  moves into a realm termed "mystical". However, for me, it was an
>  extremely significant experience, changing my life, providing a light
>  no darkness can extinguish. It must be told, hoping it will foster
>  understanding.)
>
>  On May 8, V.E. day, I decided to celebrate with some prisoners I was
>  guarding who were baking bread, meager amounts of which the other
>  prisoners occasionally received. This group had all the bread they
>  could eat, and shared the jovial mood generated by the end of the
>  war. We all thought we would be going home soon, a pathetic hope on their
>  part. We were in what was to become the French zone, and I later
>  witnessed the brutality of the French soldiers when we transferred
>  our prisoners to them for their slave labor camps (see below).
>
>  However, on this day we were happy.
>
>  After chatting with them about the potentials of peace for the rest
>  of our lives, I decided to risk a gesture of trust that objectively
>  would seem foolish. I emptied my rifle and stood it in the corner. They
>  tested me further by asking to play with it, and I agreed.
>  Intuitively I felt I could rely on their sense of honor not to attack me, for
>  they knew they too were being tested. This thoroughly 'broke the ice', and
>  soon we were singing songs we taught each other or I had learned in
>  high school German ("Du, du, liegst mir im Herzen"). Out of
>  gratitude, they secretly baked a small sweet bread and insisted I take it,
>  explaining it was the only possible gift they had left to offer.
>  Expressing my gratitude with a lump in my throat, I put it in my
>  tight "Eisenhower jacket" so I could sneak it back to my barracks. I later
>  found an opportunity to eat it outside.
>
>  Never had bread tasted more delicious, nor conveyed to me a deeper
>  sense of communion while eating it. A wonderful feeling pervaded me,
>  gently opening me to an intimation of the Oneness of all Being.
>  Through those prisoners I sensed the ~cosmic presence of what has
>  been called the Christ, Buddha-nature, or, perhaps most aptly, the
>  Ineffable: cosmically present, but hidden and apparently separate,
>  until revealed in the wholeness of the giving of the self. Even
>  within the horror humans had created, I was taught a path to redemption may
>  open by taking a first, tentative step in the direction of love,
>  understanding and forgiveness. This above all the prisoners taught
>  me: not only are we all potentially humane humans, there is divinity
>  within us waiting for us to dissolve the defensive shield of ego. I
>  was pleased to discover later the words of Matthew 25:34-46,
>  expressing the potential within prisoners and all who are at our
>  mercy.
>
>  Shortly after this experience I was plunged into even greater horror.
>  Some of our weak and sickly prisoners were being marched off by
>  French soldiers to their camp. The truck we were on first passed another
>  truck picking up bodies along the side of the road, and then came up
>  behind a slowly moving column of men. Temporarily we slowed down and
>  remained behind, perhaps because the driver was as shocked as I was.
>  The French soldiers were apparently incensed at the poor condition of
>  our prisoners, not only for labor but for marching to another camp.
>  Whenever a prisoner staggered or dropped back, the French clubbed him
>  to death and then dragged him to the side of the road. For many, this
>  quick death might have been preferable to their prolonged suffering.
>  Even gas would have been more merciful than our murder by neglect in
>  our slow 'killing fields'...
>
>  Martin Brech
>  (Adjunct Professor, Philosophy & Religion, Mercy College;
>  Ex-G.I., Finally Free)

Naturally, all these people are wrong and the uneducated
gas-pump-jockey from Nanaimo is correct. 


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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:36:40 +0100, ZuLu  wrote:

>m-weber escribió:
>> In article ,
>> Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>> 
>>> The fact that no gassed corpse has ever been found sounds suspiciously
>>> like the WW1 propaganda about the Belgian children whose hands were
>>> allegedly cut off by German soldiers.
>> 
>> The corpses were cremated.  Don't you know that?

What are you babbling about? The children did not necessarily die and
besides, the story has been totally disproven as British war
propaganda.

>> 
>>    Two of the Birkenau crematoriums:
>> http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/krema3.shtml
>> http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/krema4.shtml
>> 
>>    Cremation furnaces:
>> http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/furnaces.shtml
>> 
>> See these things?  They're called cremation furnaces.  Corpses
>> are burned in them.  Capiche?
>> 
>
> >    Cremation furnaces:
> > http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/furnaces.shtml
>
>Those furnace were civilian models, nothing specific to criminal purpose.
>On the opposite there were not properly model to industrial burning because, as being
>civilian, they were tiny muffles planned to burn corpses by unit and to recuperate 
>ashes for the family into a receptacle placed below.
>
>Oranienburg, Dachau, Mauthausen or Buchenwald received the same equipment with little 
>variation on the combination furnaces x muffles. It can be observed that the ratio 
>applied to the number of muffles installed was 1 muffle per 4,500-5,000 inmates.
>
>Since the typhus epidemics occurrence after 1942, all corpses might be cremated at 
>the camps as a part of prophylactic measures.
>
>The same model of furnaces provided by the manufacturer Topf and Shone can be found 
>at Dachau, Oranienburg, Gusen or Buchenwald which are not labeled "extermination 
>camps" on the Dogma.
>
> > > Krone ordered more MUFFLES. That's all.
>
> >    And MUFFLES are used to burn CORPSES.  That's all.  Or is
> > that too difficult for you to understand?  Once you realize
> > this,  we can proceed.  Do you understand this?  That the
> > muffles were required in order to burn corpses?  Such a
> > huge number of corpses,  that a capacity of 2,650 corpses
> > a day wasn't enough?
>
>
>U'r Not very familiar with "sanitary standards", R'u?
>
>Again
>
>To you, are WC required at a local for producing shit, dark turd?
>
>If my local is planned to host 10,000 people and I must adapt it to receive
>15,000, I will need to install more WC because of SANITARY STANDARD OF BUILDING.
>
>Only idiots like you will say that I order more WC because I need to produce more shit.
>
>SS asked for more MUFFLES to respect the same sanitary standards applied at Dachau 
>and Oranienburg respecting cremation' installation.
>
>NOTHING EXTRAORDINARY AT AUSCHWITZ SINCE 230,000 INMATES WERE EXPECTED.
>Not to mention more than 40 sub-camps in the same zone of which only 2 had their
>particular muffles.
>
>We observe that the sanitary standard applied at Auschwitz-Birkenau, Dachau or 
>Oranienburg by the SS was about 1 muffle installed per 4500-5000 inmates at each camp.
>
>AND You just forget that, to respect their SANITARY STANDARDS, the SS didn't asked 
>only for more MUFFLES, they ordered also to build a BIG INSTALLATION named ZENTRAL SAUNA.
>
>
>
>THE BIRKENAU "ZENTRAL SAUNA" WITH ITS DISINFECTION AUTOCLAVES AND ITS TOPF
>DISINFESTATION OVENS
>
>.../
>
>The Zentral Sauna was the most comprehensive disinfection and disinfestation
>installation in KGL Birkenau. Designed after the “sanitary crisis” of August
>1942 (typhus epidemic), the first three drawings for it date from November 1942
>[Drawings 1, 2 and 3]. Its equipment was to include three disinfection
>autoclaves and four Topf disinfestation hot air chambers [Drawing 4].
>
>
>
>http://www.mazal.org/Pressac/Pressac0065.htm
>
>Not to mention evidently a big hospital, sport's fields, 30 barracks at Kanada and 
>many more barracks at Mexico's camp to complete basic installations.
>
>The defense of the DOGMA is really becoming a desperate combat.
>Just like a robotic parrot you still send things which have been rebated 1000 times.
>
>Why don't you put here valuable documents like, for instance, the coke's consumption 
>at Auschwitz during its existence or the time sheets of the crematoriae at Birkenau 
>like the one we have from Gusen?
>
>Be useful for once, send us really interesting data.
>
>
>
>The allegation that cremation's performance could have been improved by burning 
>several cadavers instead of one in a muffle's cavity designed to burn one corpse only 
>(civilian model by Topf & Sohne) is a major absurdity.
>
>In fact, by trying to put several corpses in a small cavity you will only reduce the 
>hot air circulation around the material to be burnt and actually reduce the speed of
>cremation, thus, obviously the productivity of the operation.
>
>We have good basis to state the actual cremation's capacity of the muffles built by 
>Topf as for instance the time sheet from Gusen which reports a real activity of the 
>oven during a period between 26-9-1941 and 12-11-1941.
>
>http://www.holocaust-history.org/gusen-cremation-timesheet/
>
>With a 2 muffles' oven at that camp, the time to burn a corpse is of an average of 24 
>min. However the more realistic and traceable parameter to evaluate the production is 
>the coke's consumption.
>In that kind of oven, an average of 28 kg of coke was used to burn one corpse.
>
>So, the design of the ovens built by the same firm Topf at Birkenau was similar to
>that of Gusen. The main difference was the construction of a battery of 5 ovens of 3 
>muffles x 2 furnaces at Krema II and III instead of the single 2 muffles x 2 furnaces 
>oven design built at Gusen.
>BY using a 3 muffles x 2 furnaces construction at Birkenau instead of 2 muffle x 2 
>furnaces in order to reduce the price, the only change that could be expected is 
>about a little increase of coke's consumption (due to more thermal losses). The time 
>of cremation remained similar because the temperature of operation was the same in 
>both cases.
>
>As consequence, a valuable estimation of actual cremation performance at Birkenau can 
>be made by using Gusen's data.
>
>Now, the only physical parameter relevant to make some calculation is the coke/wood
>consumption at that camp.
>
>Such data seem to be of high secrecy because any of holkostians asked wanted to 
>deliver the numbers.
>
>By chance I have a significant part of it, which was cited by Mattogno
>on page 135 of the book
>
>Auschwitz: Plain Facts
>A Response to Jean-Claude Pressac
>Edited by Germar Rudolf (September 2005)
>With Contributions by Robert Faurisson,
>Carlo Mattogno, Germar Rudolf, and Serge Thion
>
><< From March 15 to October 25, 1943, a total of 607 tons of coke was supplied
>to the crematories of Auschwitz-Birkenau. Furthermore, a total of 96 m3
>(3,390 cu. ft.) of wood was delivered in September and October 1943,[*] which
>correspond to about 21.5 metric tons of coke. In terms of energy, this amounts
>to a total of 628.5 tons of coke.
>
>[*] APMO, D-Au-I-4, segregator 22, 22a
>
>Based on Gusen's worksheet and on actual numbers of corpses cremated as well as
>the corresponding quantity of coke, I already calculated that the average of
>coke to burn a corpse was 28,72 kg in the 2 muffles oven of that camp (see
>previous posts).
>
>To be noticed that the calculation is based on real condition of 94 corpses
>burned on November 9, 1941 very near of hypothetical continuous condition which was 
>not recommended by Topf, the manufacturer. So, we are at the maximum potential capacity.
>
>http://www.holocaust-history.org/gusen-cremation-timesheet/
>
>So taking as basis an average coke consumption of 28 kg for a corpse and a total
>delivery of equivalent of coke of 628,5 MT at Auschwitz we can calculate the maximum 
>of corpses that could burn such quantity of combustible during the period considered.
>
>This means 628 500/28 = 22 446 corpses burned in 7,5 months during 1943 when all
>Krema at Birkenau were at work.
>
>That gives us an average of 35,914 corpses per year in  1943.
>
>Sure, some objection can be made about the conditions of coke delivery and the
>state of stocks (beginning-end of period) but that gives a good idea about the
>real conditions of work for the ovens at Birkenau and the actual magnitude of
>the numbers we have to count with.
>
>Furthermore, that rough estimation gives numbers probably higher than the reality 
>because not all the coke used at the camp was employed at the crematoria, especially 
>during winter time.
>
>However, such number estimated for 1943 would be pretty in accordance with the order 
>of magnitude of the figure coming from Arolsen concerning number of deaths
>officially registered at Auschwitz.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:43:46 -0400, Gord McFee 
wrote:

>On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:25:55 -0400, in
><8mdsr411i0pd3q6s1lloslj28ob8hl51bq@4ax.com>, Johannes von Ebersdorf
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:12:48 -0400, Gord McFee 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >On 3/12/2009 7:11 AM, B.H. Cramer wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Eugene Holman"  wrote in message 
>> >> news:holman-1203091213090001@ke-hupnet61-27.hupnet.helsinki.fi...
>> >>> In article , "B.H. 
>> >>> Cramer"  wrote:
>> >>> 
>> >>>> "Eugene Holman"  wrote in message 
>> >>>> news:holman-1103091614150001@ke-hupnet61-27.hupnet.helsinki.fi...
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> 
>> >>> 
>> >>> 
>> >>>> What death camps?
>> >>> The ones erected in Poland for the sole purpose of implementing the
>> >>>  Final Solution of the Jewish Question in Europe discretely and
>> >>> with industrial efficiency.
>> >> 
>> >> Ah!  Those old things? The "death camps" none of you clods has ever 
>> >> been able to prove existed.
>> >
>> >Their existence has been proved.
>> 
>> Your assertion does not constitute "proof". Obviously there is doubt,
>> or this newsgroup wouldn't exist and you wouldn't be going around
>> hysterically sliming and flaming anybody who asks questions or
>> expresses any doubt.
>
>This newsgroup has nothing to do with doubt, and never did.  This
>newsgroup has everything to do with a lunatic fringe of antisemitic,
>racist and generally stupid denier trash, and the decent people who
>refuse to let them get away with it.

LOL

You're foaming at the mouth again, Gord.

> 
>> >> Those "death camps" associated with the "final solution" you clods 
>> >> have never been able to prove existed.
>> >
>> >The Final Solution has been proved.
>> >
>> >>> Specifically Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibor, and Trebinka. The ones that 
>> >>> have been the subjects of numerous trials leadig to convictions 
>> >>> since the 1940s.
>> >> 
>> >> Sure have. With all the "evidence" for the yids' side taken on 
>> >> judicial notice.
>> >
>> >Nope.  You are just a walking parrot of denier canards, aren't you?
>
>Obviously he is.
>
>> >>> One of them, Sobibor, is particularly well known due to the massive
>> >>>  and well docuented prisoner-led revolt that took place there on 
>> >>> October 14, 1943.
>> >> 
>> >> Which in now way proves it was a "death camp."
>> >> 
>> >>> Another, Belzec, has been the subject of recent archeological 
>> >>> reserach. Sobibor was in the news today: the German government is 
>> >>> continuing the trial against former Sobibor John Demjanjuk,
>> >> 
>> >> Disgraceful, isn't it.
>> >
>> >Disgraceful he has gotten away with it so long.
>> >
>> >>> a former Ukrainian guard there (see below). Demjanjuk has never 
>> >>> challanged the existence of Sobibor. its functionality as a death 
>> >>> camp,
>> >> 
>> >> I do beg your pardon. Just when did he admit it was a "death camp?"
>> >
>> >When he lied and said he didn't work there.  He said the same about
>> >Treblinka.  It's funny how the people who worked in the camps are the
>> >very ones who do *not* deny that they were death camps.  It is only
>> >third-string trash like you bunch who deny it.
>
>No answer from Ben.


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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:12:20 -0400, Gord McFee 
wrote:

>On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:47:27 +1000, in
>, "B.H. Cramer"
> wrote:
>
>> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message 
>> news:eUivl.44382$UR4.28408@en-nntp-09.dc1.easynews.com...
>> > On 3/11/2009 3:31 AM, B.H. Cramer wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message 
>> >> news:avEtl.33826$rp7.29149@en-nntp-02.dc1.easynews.com...
>> >>> On 3/10/2009 5:17 AM, B.H. Cramer wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> "StarDust"  wrote in message 
>> >>>> news:1e5692b2-5464-40f5-bc7c-3c4263a4404b@k19g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>> >>>>> Germany pledges €1M aid for Auschwitz
>> >>>>> Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:18:51 GMT
>> >>>>> Railway tracks are seen leading to the former Auschwitz-Birkenau Nazi
>> >>>>> concentration camp in southern Poland.
>> >>>>> Berlin announces plans to donate €1 million to restore the
>> >>>>> deteriorating structures at the former Nazi concentration camp of
>> >>>>> Auschwitz.
>> >>>>> German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier
>> >>>> "Steinmeier?"  Doesn't sound terribly Teutonic to me.
>> >>> That is because your German is non-existent.
>> >>
>> >> Que?
>> >>>> He wouldn't be a yid, perchance?
>> >>> Nope.  Evangelical Church in Germany.
>> >>
>> >> Hahahahahahahaha. Right!
>> >>> Are you ever right?
>> >>
>> >> Frequently.
>> >>
>> >> Only asked a question, silly old man. Didn't make any claims.
>> >>
>> >> Nice to see you had to introduce whines and totally unsubstantiated 
>> >> "facts" to counter my question though.
>> >>
>> >> Such a donkey, you.
>> >
>> > Your surrender is noted.
>> 
>> More lies and delusion from the silly old bugger.
>
>Nope.  You claimed a member of the Evangelical Church is a Jew and
>weren't man enough to admit your mistake.

You obviously don't know enough to realize that the "Evangelical
Church" in Germany is the Lutheran Church and not the "evangelical"
meaning current in the USA.



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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:05:12 -0400, "Neil Harrington"
 wrote:

>
>"Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message 
>news:K-6dnadt__k8NiDUnZ2dnUVZ_oiWnZ2d@supernews.com...
>> "Neil Harrington"  wrote in message 
>> news:8d-dnSlkTcgjwSDUnZ2dnUVZ_heWnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> Heinrich wrote:
>>>> Henrik Holappa: Affidavit - Political asylum application
>>
>> 
>>
>>>>
>>>> I left Finland by plane and flew via Iceland to the United States on
>>>> July 11, 2008. I came here as a bona fide tourist,
>>
>> That may be a questionable statement, given the descriptions of his 
>> activities.
>>
>>>> but decided toward
>>>> the end of my tourist stay that I loved America, its people, its
>>>> beauty and its freedom of speech and that I did not want to be
>>>> imprisoned and possibly murdered in Finland.
>>>
>>> This is really rotten. I've read about the Toeben arrest too.
>>
>> The Toben arrest was a completely different issue.
>>
>> Toben was arrested in response to an extradition request by Germany, which 
>> Britain felt it had to respond to.
>
>I don't see why Britain "had to" do anything to Toeben, who was not a 
>resident of Britain but was merely changing planes at Heathrow, isn't that 
>so? According to Wikipedia, the Westminster Magistrates' Court dismissed the 
>arrest warrant -- after four weeks. So as I understand it, he is now free 
>but with the German government waiting for the chance to get him extradited 
>from some more cooperative country. Is that it, or am I missing something?
>
>Germany today sounds at least as bad as it was under the Nazis, as far as 
>free speech is concerned. And without all the great pageantry, athletic 
>girls with hoops, etc. 
>
During the NS period in Germany you could get up on any stage and say
whatever you wanted, as long as it didn't contradict the opinions or
policies of the powers that were. Modern Germany is exactly the same
thing. Don't contradict the powers that be.


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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:40:23 -0400, "Neil Harrington"
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>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:t1frr49h2o415uc9hr19dijgf6pfk2ui9i@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 08:13:52 -0400, Mike Flannigan
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>I am a sadistical sexual psychopath whose dream is of meeting Hitler, 
>>>putting
>>>a gun to his head, forcing headphones on him and sodomizing him with my 
>>>large,
>>>juicy, uncircumsized cock while blasting Die Walküre.
>>>
>>>
>>>Heil Hitler!
>>
>> LOL
>>
>> Well, I can certainly agree with your self-analysis as a psychopath.
>> In Canada you could get help, but clearly not in the
>> every-man-for-himself USA.
>
>You can't help a psychopath; it's a waste of time, money and resources 
>trying to. But here in the U.S. we do waste the time, money and resources 
>trying to anyway. Better to just lock 'em up and throw away the key.
>
>Nowadays they are usually called sociopaths, which is really just a more 
>polite way of saying "psychopath." 
>
In either case, it seems fairly clear that Flannigan is a few
sandwiches short of a picnic.


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On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:15:52 +0100, Carla Schneider
 wrote:

>I'll Always Be 18-03-09 wrote:
>> 
>> "Truthseeker"  wrote in
>> news:6Q_vl.18576$PH1.14374@edtnps82:
>> 
>> > Lets face the facts fucker what I posted are the plain and simple facts.
>> 
>> You don't do facts.
>> 
>> > Can you give us an example in modern history where others can settle in
>> > a land where their ancestors did live once and claim it belong to them.
>> 
>> Germany invading Czechslovakia. 
>
>The Sudetenland had a more than 90% german Population in 1938.
>The Country Czechslovakia did not exist before 1918, it was part
>of the Austrian Empire.

Before that it, as well as Austria, was an integral part of the Holy
Roman Empire of the German Nation since the 9th century.

>
>> German anschlus of Austria. 
>
>----------
>Between 1918 and 1919, Austria was officially known as the Republic of German Austria (Republik
>Deutschösterreich). Not only did the Entente powers forbid German Austria to unite with Germany,
>they also forbade the name; it was therefore changed to the Republic of Austria.
>--------
>
>
>> Russian attack
>> on Georgia. Germans and Alsace-Lorraine.
>
>Did the Russians attack Georgia to settle there ?
>Alsace-Lorraine in 1870 had a 90% german speaking population.
>It was not annexed for German settlement there.
>
>
>
>> 
>> > From 1945 onwards I did listening to all the propaganda where the Jews
>> > claime the you have lived in Palestine all the time and the Palestinians
>> > are only nomad's.
>> 
>> But you yourself have proved that Jews always lived in Palestine
>> 
>
>They were a minority.


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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:08:48 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
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>> On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:56:15 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Bent Attorney Esq."  wrote in message
>>>news:bcc4476e-12e5-48b4-b76e-26dd4fbaf4f6@l39g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>>>> If he would do some research and speak to those who were in Ike's
>>>> death camps, he would see the truth.  However, he can't do that.
>>>> Why?  Because if the camps(Ike's) existed and the government/
>>>> mainstream media denied their existence, then the public would
>>>> understand that they have been lied to.  And if they had been lied to
>>>> about Ike's camps, then they would wonder as to whether they had been
>>>> lied to concerning the NAZI death campls.
>>>
>>>Perhaps it's you who are mistaken.
>>>
>>>What if you are wrong, if Mr. McVay has actually done the research and 
>>>found
>>>that the source materials are not convincing?
>>
>> Mr. McVay has no education and is simply not qualified to do any
>> research.
>>
>>>
>>>Bacque certainly isn't convincing, as anyone who understands the way he
>>>misues figures can plainly see.

I don't know what you've been drinking, but Bacque is consistent with
the experiences of German people alive at the time. Your stuff
generally isn't.

>>
>> Why would Bacque do that,
>
>Because he either doesn't know how to count, or is attempting to mislead.

He has no reason to mislead anybody and nothing to gain.

>
>> since he is an impartial Canadian with no
>> axe to grind on this subject?
>
>You're rather making an assumption there, aren't you?

Having read his books, all of which make perfectly good sense and are
consistent with the experiences of various German people I know, I
would have to disagree that there are any big assumptions here.

>
>> I understand why employees of the
>> holocaustT industry would tend towards certain conclusions, the same
>> way as tobacco executives claimed for years that smoking cigarettes
>> was harmless or even beneficial. He who pays the piper calls the tune,
>> as the old saying goes. McVay is paid by the industry and he says
>> exactly what I would expect an employee of the industry to say.
>
>So.   Where are the graves?
>
>How do you explain the problems with Bacque's arithmetic?    How to you 
>explain away his double-counting?
>
>And most importantly, where are the bodies?
>
>I suggest that if you caught a mainstream historian being as outrageously 
>sloppy or misleading as Bacque is,  you'd be screaming that the Holocaust 
>has no foundation.
>
>But, you seem more than willing to accept Bacque.    Why is that?
>
>-pk
>
>
>>
>>>
>>>And where are the graves?    We know where many of the Nazi death camp
>>>graves are, so where are the graves from these Allied camps you claim?
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>


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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:06:10 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
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>> On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 08:25:54 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>If he would do some research and speak to those who were in Ike's
>>>death camps, he would see the truth.  However, he can't do that.
>>>Why?  Because if the camps(Ike's) existed and the government/
>>>mainstream media denied their existence, then the public would
>>>understand that they have been lied to.  And if they had been lied to
>>>about Ike's camps, then they would wonder as to whether they had been
>>>lied to concerning the NAZI death campls.
>>
>> It is McVay's denial of Ike's camps and various other examples of
>> allied crimes that convinced me that he is quite insincere and that
>> his other historical claims are probably also bogus.
>
>
>What death camps?

There were numerous places along the banks of the Rhine where millions
were kept imprisoned on open meadows without shelter or food.
Relatives were threatened with execution if they brought any food for
the captives. The allegedly "noble" allies fall really far short of
the mark.

>
>Where are the bodies?

The Americans carted them off in dump trucks each morning and they are
very unlikely to have given them a decent burial where burial sites
could be found today.

>
>How do you explain the gross errors in Bacque's arithmetic and his refusal 
>to correct them?

What errors are those? His findings make sense and they are consistent
with the experiences of people who lived during that time. 

>
>
>
>


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On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:49:15 -0400, Gord McFee 
wrote:

>On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 07:14:36 -0400, in
>, Johannes von Ebersdorf
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:12:20 -0400, Gord McFee 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:47:27 +1000, in
>> >, "B.H. Cramer"
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message 
>> >> news:eUivl.44382$UR4.28408@en-nntp-09.dc1.easynews.com...
>> >> > On 3/11/2009 3:31 AM, B.H. Cramer wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message 
>> >> >> news:avEtl.33826$rp7.29149@en-nntp-02.dc1.easynews.com...
>> >> >>> On 3/10/2009 5:17 AM, B.H. Cramer wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> "StarDust"  wrote in message 
>> >> >>>> news:1e5692b2-5464-40f5-bc7c-3c4263a4404b@k19g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >>>>> Germany pledges €1M aid for Auschwitz
>> >> >>>>> Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:18:51 GMT
>> >> >>>>> Railway tracks are seen leading to the former Auschwitz-Birkenau Nazi
>> >> >>>>> concentration camp in southern Poland.
>> >> >>>>> Berlin announces plans to donate €1 million to restore the
>> >> >>>>> deteriorating structures at the former Nazi concentration camp of
>> >> >>>>> Auschwitz.
>> >> >>>>> German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier
>> >> >>>> "Steinmeier?"  Doesn't sound terribly Teutonic to me.
>> >> >>> That is because your German is non-existent.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Que?
>> >> >>>> He wouldn't be a yid, perchance?
>> >> >>> Nope.  Evangelical Church in Germany.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hahahahahahahaha. Right!
>> >> >>> Are you ever right?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Frequently.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Only asked a question, silly old man. Didn't make any claims.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Nice to see you had to introduce whines and totally unsubstantiated 
>> >> >> "facts" to counter my question though.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Such a donkey, you.
>> >> >
>> >> > Your surrender is noted.
>> >> 
>> >> More lies and delusion from the silly old bugger.
>> >
>> >Nope.  You claimed a member of the Evangelical Church is a Jew and
>> >weren't man enough to admit your mistake.
>> 
>> You obviously don't know enough to realize that the "Evangelical
>> Church" in Germany is the Lutheran Church and not the "evangelical"
>> meaning current in the USA.
>
>I never said any differently, moron.

LOL

Thus babbled the man who claims never to use ad hominems.




>  In fact, I never addressed the
>issue since it, like you, is completely irrelevant.


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rOn Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:53:18 -0700 (PDT), Hiroshima Facts
 wrote:

>On Mar 16, 1:27 pm, ZuLu  wrote:
>> Eugene Holman escribió:
>>
>> > In article ,
>> > ebersd...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > 
>>
>> >>> How many counts of murder should the former crew of the 'Enola Gay' be
>> >>> charged with?
>> >> That particular civilian atrocity has the support of the bulk of
>> >> brainwashed Americans.
>>
>> > There is the matter of relativity here. The Japanese stated conclusively
>> > that they would never surrender. The US demonstrated that it had what at
>> > that time was the ultimate weapon, and more than one of them, causing the
>> > Japanese to rethink their options. They surrendered within a week.
>>
>> > As far as I know, the crew of the 'Enola Gay' was not even given specific
>> > information about what they were dropping. They were just following the
>> > bits and pieces of the orders they had been issued, the overall results of
>> > which were not clear from the orders issuedto each individual, in a
>> > military situation in a war zone. The position of the crew of the Enola
>> > Gay' was in no way comparable to what Karl Frenzel, third in command, was
>> > doing at Sobibor: consigning all civilian deportees but those who were
>> > young, healthy, and had skills deperately needed by the Germans, to the
>> > gas chambers.
>>
>> > More than a hundred thousand people in the two atomic bombings and
>> > arguably another hundred thousand have died concsequent to them, but the
>> > alternative would have been an invasion of Japan by the US and the USSR,
>> > millions of deaths on both sides, the destruction of cities,
>> > infrastructure, cultural monuments, and territorial losses for Japan far
>> > greater than the Kurile Islands, lost to the Soviets, and Okinawa,
>> > captured and occupied by the Americans.
>>
>> Eugene, you need to study a bit more that question
>>
>> "The conventional arguments for dropping the bomb--to prevent an invasion and to
>> force Japan to surrender--are not the real reasons for dropping the atomic bomb on
>> Japan. The truth is that President Truman made a conscious and calculated decision to
>> drop the atomic bomb on Japan in order to intimidate the Soviet Union and force the
>> Russians to accept American leadership and domination of the post-war world."
>>
>> http://www.colorado.edu/AmStudies/lewis/2010/atomic.htm
>
>Nice bit of fiction, but the US government was actually quite
>concerned about the casualties we would suffer from an invasion.  The
>Soviets were at best an afterthought.
>
>And the notion that we were trying to establish "American domination"
>is fatuous.  The concern about the Soviets was the way they were
>systematically wiping out freedom and democracy around the world.
>
>
>
>
>> Official Bombing Order, July 25, 1945
>>
>> The written order for the use of the atomic bomb against Japanese cities was drafted
>> by General Groves. President Truman and Secretary of War Stimson approved the order
>> at Potsdam.
>>
>> The order made no mention of targetting military objectives or sparing civilians. The
>> cities themselves were the targets. The order was also open-ended. "Additional bombs"
>> could be dropped "as soon as made ready by the project staff."
>>
>> Source: U.S. National Archives, Record Group 77, Records of the Office of the Chief
>> of Engineers, Manhattan Engineer District, TS Manhattan Project File '42 to '46,
>> Folder 5B "(Directives, Memos, Etc. to and from C/S, S/W, etc.)."
>>
>> http://www.dannen.com/decision/handy.html
>
>That's nice.  Doesn't change the fact that the reason the cities were
>chosen was because of their overwhelming military significance though.

LOL

They were so significant that they had never been bombed up to that
point. The fact is that the Americans needed "virgin targets" for this
civilian atrocity, and that was the two cities' only significance.
Even if there were military installations, it would not justify what
was done. One could justify attacking the specific installations, but
not the indiscriminate mass murder that the Americans actually
perpetrated. The American government and the crew of the Enola Gay,
were as much war criminals, or more, than anybody who was put on trial
at Nuremberg.

>
>
>
>
>> Rethinking Hiroshima and Nagasaki
>>
>> by James R. Lawrence, III
>>
>> "...the bomb-or-boys myth is completely punctured by the conclusion of the US
>> government-sanctioned 1946 Strategic Bombing Survey, which – after conducting
>> interviews with US and Japanese military personnel – found that Japan would have
>> surrendered by the end of 1945 "even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.""
>>
>> http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/lawrence1.html
>
>The fact that someone concludes, in hindsight, that the A-bombs were
>unnecessary does not have any bearing on the fact that they seemed
>entirely necessary during the war when Japan was still refusing to
>surrender.


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On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:41:51 -0700 (PDT), Hiroshima Facts
 wrote:

>On Mar 19, 4:28 pm, ZuLu  wrote:
>> Hiroshima Facts escribió:
>>
>> > On Mar 16, 1:27 pm, ZuLu  wrote:
>>
>> >> Official Bombing Order, July 25, 1945
>>
>> >> The written order for the use of the atomic bomb against Japanese cities was drafted
>> >> by General Groves. President Truman and Secretary of War Stimson approved the order
>> >> at Potsdam.
>>
>> >> The order made no mention of targetting military objectives or sparing civilians. The
>> >> cities themselves were the targets. The order was also open-ended. "Additional bombs"
>> >> could be dropped "as soon as made ready by the project staff."
>>
>> >> Source: U.S. National Archives, Record Group 77, Records of the Office of the Chief
>> >> of Engineers, Manhattan Engineer District, TS Manhattan Project File '42 to '46,
>> >> Folder 5B "(Directives, Memos, Etc. to and from C/S, S/W, etc.)."
>>
>> >>http://www.dannen.com/decision/handy.html
>>
>> > That's nice.  Doesn't change the fact that the reason the cities were
>> > chosen was because of their overwhelming military significance though.
>>
>> Sure, that is clearly mentioned on the order of bombing.
>
>No, it is clearly mentioned in the target selection process.

If the cities were so significant, why were there no previous bombings
over several years of war in a war characterized by large-scale
bombings? Your model makes no sense, and is just simple-minded
justification for an American war crime. The fact is, the Americans
needed virgin targets to make sure that there were plenty of
combustibles on hand.

>
>All the order of bombing does is tell them to go ahead and drop the
>bombs.


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On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:54:28 +0200, holman@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene
Holman) wrote:

>In article
><47b6df08-3ae9-4c1f-b7a6-39f95d372e79@h5g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, Zulu
> wrote:
>
>> On 18 mar, 00:11, hol...@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
>> > In article <49bfe...@news.x-privat.org>, ZuLu  wrote:
>
>> 
>> Come on Eugene, are you assumind that Congoleses don't deserve our
>> consideration because they live in Africa?
>
>No. I am a human being and feel empathy for all fellow human beings. My
>point is that it is somewhat easier for most people to accept killing off
>human beings about whom you know nothing and who live far away than it is
>to accept killing neighbors who are linguistically, culturally, and
>racially similar. The British, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch,
>Belgians, Germans, and Italians pulled off this crap overseas and nobody
>really cared. The Soviets, Chinese, Japanese, Australians, Americans, and
>South Africans did it to their own people, or to indigenous people living
>on their territory, and few outsiders really cared. It was quite a
>different issue when Nazi Germany invaded Poland, the Netherlands,
>Belgium, and the Czech lands and started to round up and kill the local
>Jews, a considrable number of whom were German Jews who had dutifully
>emigrated at great personal expense a few years earlier.

The peak Jewish population in Germany was about 500,000. About 200,000
remained on the eve of WW2, but very few of the 300,000 who left would
have gone to primitive places like Poland or Czechoslovakia which had
never been particularly friendly towards Jews.
> 
>> And what about the genocides perpetrated by the Soviets?
>
>What about them? They were internal affairs, much like the American Civil
>War. Tragic, but not a matter of inviting yourself to ethnically cleanse
>your neighborhood.
>
>> How many including the 10 millions of starved  Ukrainians?
>
>That was a response to a rebellion. The food weapon has been used many
>times in history. It was used by the English to teach the Irish a lesson
>as well in the 19th century.
>
>> Ukraine remembers famine horror
>> By Laura Sheeter
>> BBC News, Kiev
>
>I have lived and worked (Freedom Support Act Orientation Camp, Kiev,
>Ukraine, August 1994) in Ukraine. I am more than passingly familiar with
>the issue.
>
>Regards,
>Eugene Holman


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On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:56:47 +0200, holman@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene
Holman) wrote:

>In article , "B.H. Cramer"
> wrote:
>
>> "Eugene Holman"  wrote in message 
>> news:holman-1803091321000001@ke-hupnet61-27.hupnet.helsinki.fi...
>
>
>> > Anyone who has taken the task of learning a foreign language and culture
>> > seriously knows the importance of cultural literacy. Since nobody has yet
>> > succeeded in modeling the encyclopedic knowledge about the aspects and
>> > references that an adult member of a culture can be assumed to know,
>> > computer translation only works for the driest and most decontextualized
>> > texts.
>> 
>> And how many people in the world really give a fuck about this feel-good 
>> nonsense, yougenie? Does it really matter?
>
>If you are accusing me of "lying" and "making it up as [I] go along" when
>talking about the connotations and history that *Sonderbehandlung* has had
>in German since the early 1940s, yes, it really does matter.

"Sonderbehandlung" is what a postal package containing glass or other
fragile material receives at the sorting offices of the Deutsche Post.
No hydrogen cyanide is involved in the process.

> 
>
>Regards,
>Eugene Holman


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On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:58:30 -0700 (PDT), Hiroshima Facts
 wrote:

>On Mar 17, 11:01 am, "Bent Attorney Esq." 
>wrote:
>> On Mar 17, 12:53 am, Michael Ejercito  wrote:
>>
>> > On Mar 14, 2:13 pm, "Bent Attorney Esq." 
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > > On Mar 14, 5:59 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> > > > On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 21:37:25 +0100, ZuLu  wrote:
>> > > > >Eugene Holman escribió:
>> > > > >> Not even Demjanjuk has argued that he is "a poor innocent man". He has
>> > > > >> never had difficulty admitting that he was a soldiuer in the Red Army,
>> > > > >> became a POW, and, in German captivity, volunteered to work as a so-called
>> > > > >> Ukrainian guard at concentration camps.
>>
>> > > > >> His defense has always been based on the premise that the only way that he
>> > > > >> could have survived would have been to dutifully carry out the orders
>> > > > >> given to him. The degree to which carrying out obviously criminal orders
>> > > > >> as the only alternative to being killed has been a controversial issue
>> > > > >> ever since the first war crimes trials. Given Demjanjuk's age and what he
>> > > > >> has already been through, I regard harassing him any longer as
>> > > > >> unnecessary. Nevertheless, he påovides us with one of the last
>> > > > >> opportunities to see the kind of moral dilemmas men of his generation were
>> > > > >> forced to live with.
>>
>> > > > >> I see no need to try and sentence him yet again. But I do think he could
>> > > > >> do us all a favor by testifying in detail about where he was and what he
>> > > > >> was forced to do.
>>
>> > > > >> 
>>
>> > > > >So, he admitted to have been a guard in a concentration camp, so, what more?
>>
>> > > > >Will Germany put in trial all former US guards at Eisenhower' camps also?
>>
>> > > > >Will all US people who worked at Guantanamo be brought to an International Court?
>>
>> > > > Americans can do whatever they wish. They are exempt from
>> > > > international law and from war crimes provisions. They are truly
>> > > > exceptional, and only ordinary mortals need to be concerned about such
>> > > > details as laws and fundamental decency.
>>
>> > > How many counts of murder should the former crew of the 'Enola Gay' be
>> > > charged with?
>>
>> >    None.
>>
>> >    Hiroshima was the site of a Japanese Army headquarters.
>>
>> >  Michael
>>
>> Why didn't they just bomb Jap Army Headquarters then?
>> Would you have had a problem had Washington been nuked?  Sheesh.  Que
>> Logic!  Me I'd have had a problem if either Ottawar or Warshington had
>> been nuked.  Or any civilian center for that matter.  But don't forget
>> my position.  My position is that the allies went civilian kill
>> crazy.  No honour there.  They(emphasis on the US and Britain) were
>> always kind of shitty in their military operations.
>> Would the Japs have nuked Warshington if they had had the capability
>> to do so is the next question.
>> The answer is to look at how many civlilians were targeted and killed
>> in Hawaii.
>> 68 civilians killed by the Japs?  That can't be right.  Weren't the
>> Japs a bunch of kill crazy morons?  All of youse take a lesson from
>> the Japs here.  This is how you attack a military target.  Simple eh?
>> You don't need to miss your targets and kill mostly civilians.  You
>> bomb valid military targets.http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_civilians_were_killed_in_the_Decem...
>>
>> Had the Japs nuclear capability at the time of WWII, they still would
>> have needed a delivery system.  How to get to Warshington?   Let's say
>> they could do so.  OK.  They are over Warshington and fly over the
>> Pentagon and drop not a nuke, but a series of TNT or other related
>> explosive ordinance.  After all, If a couple of Arabs could fly a
>> plane into the place, then it shouldn't be too fucking hard to bomb
>> it.  Using highly trained and experienced pilots I might add.  I might
>> also repeat the statement given by wili.answers:  The Japs only killed
>> 68 civies at Pearl.  Why?  Because they were after military targets.
>> It was an act of aggression.  Illegal?  I don't know.  They had not
>> declared war yet.  But their actions pale in comparison to the
>> monstrous atrocities committed by the US and its allies.  As do
>> Germany's.
>> Why would the Japs nuke Warshington if they could lessen civilian
>> casualties by dropping conventional weapons?
>> The attack at Pearl shows that they were not intent on killing
>> civilians.
>
>Pearl Harbor was indeed a crime due to the fact that it was attacked
>in peacetime.

One could say the same thing about Iraq or numerous other victims of
American aggression.

>
>And the way our POWs were treated was another horrible crime.

Given the way that you treated Japanese soldiers who were captured,
the correct Japanese response would have been instant mass execution
of all American service personnel who fell into their hands rather
than putting the people into camps.

>
>
>And the notion that Japan somehow was sparing of civilian casualties
>is ridiculous.  20 million dead Chinese civilians would like to beg to
>differ.  But they can't, because they were all brutally massacred by
>the Japanese Army.

Nobody is accusing the Japanese of being saints, but their excesses
don't excuse American crimes.



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On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:49:15 -0400, Gord McFee 
wrote:

>On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:14:12 +1000, in
><8uudnWqpcfb2Al3UnZ2dnVY3goSdnZ2d@giganews.com>, "B.H. Cramer"
> wrote:
>
>> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message 
>> news:aem0s45c08ce7o3g806qb8bq44oojbm964@4ax.com...
>> > On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:40:37 +1000, in
>> > , "B.H. Cramer"
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message
>> >> news:C2jvl.44384$UR4.32133@en-nntp-09.dc1.easynews.com...
>> >> > On 3/14/2009 11:43 AM, B.H. Cramer wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Confessions of SS Men who were at Auschwitz by Robert Faurisson
>> >> >
>> >> > Good Heavens, Ben, don't embarrass yourself by quoting that fraud.
>> >>
>> >> Good heavens, gourd. Don't embarrass yourself by showing your absolute
>> >> desperation.
>> >
>> > Of course, I forgot.  You only quote frauds.
>> 
>> I seem to have done that in this very thread, don't I.
>
>Exactly.  You quoted the fraud Faurisson.

Faurisson is not a fraud, but McFee definitely is.



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On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 06:05:50 -0700 (PDT), "B.H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>Only 17 Jews were killed in WWII in new data presented by revered and
>most respected Holocaust Historian, Mark Weber.  "We recently re-
>researched the numbers and found that only 17 died-  7 died in snow
>skiiing accidents, 6 died taking other sports related risks and the
>other 4 died of natural causes." Weber also added that WWII itself
>never happened nor did the US Civil War or 911.

LOL

A "Doc Tavish" forgery.


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On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:28:30 -0400, "Neil Harrington"
 wrote:

>
>"B.H. Cramer"  wrote in message 
>news:a8aa36e4-3c07-4915-8907-92bb3a647a23@q9g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>> Only 17 Jews were killed in WWII in new data [ . . . ]
>
>Well, that's sure a lot closer than 6 million, anyway.
>
>Why not post under your own name, though? 

If were to post as "Doc Tavish" he would be written off as a partisan
propagandist and ignored.

>


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From: Johannes von Ebersdorf 
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On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 17:53:53 +1000, "B.H. Cramer"
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>
>"Heinrich"  wrote in message 
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>> The Jewish Claims Conference said it won a promise Thursday from the 
>> German government to increase funding to elderly Holocaust survivors in 
>> eastern Europe.
>>
>> German officials promised to increase monthly payments from €178 ($235) to 
>> €240 ($315) for survivors in some of the poorest eastern European 
>> countries, such as Ukraine, said Roman Kent, a negotiator for the claims 
>> conference.
>>
>> Those in relatively wealthier eastern countries now in the European Union, 
>> such as Poland, will see their payments rise from €216 ($295) to €240 
>> ($328), he said.
>>
>> Kent said the breakthrough came Thursday during meetings with 
>> representatives of Germany's Finance Ministry.
>>
>> He called it a "measure of some justice" for a group that often lives 
>> mired in poverty.
>>
>> The goal, he said, is to make the lives of the Nazi victims, most of whom 
>> are now in their 80s or 90s "a little easier in the twilight of their 
>> lives."
>>
>> Those living in impoverished parts of eastern Europe often lack food, 
>> medicine and even coal, wood or gas to heat their homes. In many case, 
>> they lost siblings or other relatives in the Holocaust, and lack family 
>> support, he said.
>>
>> Attempts by The Associated Press to reach the Finance Ministry by phone 
>> for comment went unanswered late Thursday.
>
>Hahahahahahaha.
>
>They never give up, do they.
>
>The French have just told them to bugger off.

I wish that the German authorities had that much guts. Germany doesn't
owe these people a single Pfennig/cent.

>
>
>>
>>
>> 


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On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 01:56:06 -0700, "ÇDoügßT"  wrote:

>"Heinrich"  wrote in message 
>news:72gofaFq7ibdU1@mid.individual.net...
>> The Jewish Claims Conference said it won a promise Thursday from the 
>> German government to increase funding to elderly Holocaust survivors in 
>> eastern Europe.
>>
>> German officials promised to increase monthly payments from ?178 ($235) to 
>> ?240 ($315) for survivors in some of the poor