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From: Johannes von Ebersdorf 
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:07:04 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article ,
>I'll Always Be Here  wrote:
>
>> 3) Where are the bodies for the supposed Eisenhower Death Camps?
>
>Good one.  And these alleged camps for German POWs had no
>crematoriums,  so the "corpses" should be much easier to
>find,  right?

There are still American bases in Germany, and nobody has dug there.
The victims were generally taken away by dumptruck each morning.


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On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:48:07 -0700 (PDT), george 
wrote:

>On Jul 30, 7:39 am, "I'll Always Be Here"
> wrote:
>
>> 1) So what? 800 dump truck loads is easily accomplished in under 100 days
>> with one truck. Of course there are trucks that can carry up to a total
>> load of 80,000 lbs (including the truck)http://www.truckpaper.com/listings/detail.aspx?OHID=1798358&guid=
>> 955B72545B
>> 304A5F919EB0DD3F332645
>>
>> Easily a 10 ton load capability.
>>
>> 2) During the period when the fires were kept continously burning without
>> a break, the ashes fell through the grates and were constantly removed and
>> crushed to powder. The ashes were taken by truck to the Vistula [River],
>> where they immediately dissolved and drifted away. The ashes taken from
>> the burning pits near Bunker II and from Crematory V were handled in the
>> same way.
>>
>> 3) Where are the bodies for the supposed Eisenhower Death Camps?
>
>Nowhere as they didn't exist.

They most certainly did exist. The wives and children of the inmates
were threatened with execution if they brought any food or water to
their starving relatives.

It is crap like your "Nowhere as they didn't exist" line that makes me
doubt what you say about the alleged "holocaust™. Your air-headed line
makes it clear that you understand nothing about anything of this
period, so why should what you babble about the holocaust™ be any
different?

>However to reply to the holocaust denier 

LOL

I'm hardly a "denier". I'm a non-believer, and the two are not the
same at all. I know for certain how German men and young boys were
treated in the allied camps and when you cavalierly dismiss and
dispute that, then I know that the rest of what you are saying
consists of lies also.





>who measured his 'fathers'
>net ash remains to the murdered millions I post the following:
>
>An example of how the cremated remains were handled.
>I -could- search out the way they were handled at the mentioned site
>but it would be exactly the same procedure !
>
>Quoted:
>From Nuremberg Trial Proceedings Vol. 7
>
>FIFTY-EIGHTH DAY
>
>Wednesday, 13 February 1946
>Morning Session
>Witnesses Manussevitch, Ash, and Khamaydes worked for some time in the
>detachment which cremated the dead bodies of men shot by the Germans
>in the region of Lvov and particularly in the Lissenitzky camps.
>Witness Manussevitch states-I quote, beginning with Line 20 at the
>bottom of Page 2 of our Number 6(c), and on Page 129 of your document
>book:
>
>"When we (the Brigade of Death) had completed the cremation of the
>corpses, we were conveyed at night in cars to the Lissenitzky forest,
>opposite the yeast factory at Lvov. There were about 45 pits in this
>forest, containing the bodies of people previously shot in 1941-42.
>There were between 500 and 3,500 bodies in the pits. These were not
>only the bodies of soldiers of the Italian, French, Belgian, and
>Russian armies, that is, of prisoners of war, but of peaceful
>inhabitants as well. All the prisoners of war were buried in their
>clothes. Therefore, when digging them out of the pits, I could
>recognize the dead by their uniforms, insignia, buttons, medals, and
>decorations, as well as by their spoons and mess cups. All these were
>burned once the corpses had been exhumed. As in the camp at Yanovsky,
>grass was sown on the site of the pits, and trees and dead tree trunks
>were planted so as to erase any trace of the crimes, which are
>certainly unprecedented in the history of mankind."


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From: Johannes von Ebersdorf 
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:08:25 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
wrote:

>Ambrose is on the holocaust industries Payroll. What do you expect he would 
>say. On the other hand if the survivors of IK'S death camp would have been 
>allowed to write their experience into German news papers we would not be 
>here arguing about it.
>Kurt Knoll.
>
>kk
>
>
>"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
>news:Y8GdnTyDJ7H-sxLVnZ2dnUVZ_v_inZ2d@vex.net...
>> In article <1c5u841st1s38pakm54dindbm5eku401vk@4ax.com>,
>> Leading Revisionist Scholar Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>Bacque's books are well written and well researched. He is not a paid
>>>propagandist for anybody, unlike McVay, McFee, and many of the rest
>>>here. Bacque is consistent with the experiences of people who lived
>>>through that time.
>>
>> http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/b/bacque-james/ambrose-001.html
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> With regard to another of Mr. Bacque's conclusions, he arrives at his
>> sensational figure of one million dead through a system of analysis that
>> has left almost everyone who has tried to check his statistics and methods
>> befuddled. He did make one mistake because of a typing error by a clerk.
>> He saw a figure of 70,000 prisoners in an Army medical report and then
>> calculated the total death rate for all prisoners in American hands on the
>> basis of that number and the 21,000 deaths also mentioned in the report.
>> That is, he arrived at his most basic conclusion, a death rate in all
>> camps of 30 percent, by dividing the 21,000 deaths by the 70,000
>> prisoners. However, the 70,000 figure should have been 10 times higher.
>> All other figures in the document make it clear that the correct number of
>> prisoners was 700,000. This would make the death rate not 30 percent but 3
>> percent.
>>
>>
>> In fact, as Albert Cowdrey of the Department of the Army's Center of
>> Military History reported to the conference, the overall death rate among
>> German prisoners was 1 percent.

I take it that this guy was another one of Ike's hagiographers. 
>>
>>
>> Mr. Cowdrey's conclusion, strongly supported by another conference
>> participant, Maj. Ruediger Overmans of the German Office of Military
>> History in Freiburg (who is writing the final volume of the official
>> Germany history of the war), is that the total death by all causes of
>> German prisoners in American hands could not have been greater than
>> 56,000.

This is the same kind of nonsense as the allied claim of 35,000
fatalities at Dresden. Keep in mind that the government of modern
Germany is an allied puppet regime that will dutifully parrot whatever
the allies want them to parrot.
b
>>
>>
>> Finally, there is the matter of the column of figures in the weekly
>> reports of the United States Army Theater Provost Marshal entitled "Other
>> Losses." It is here that Mr. Bacque finds his "missing million."
>>
>>
>> What were the "other losses?" Mr. Bacque interviewed Philip S. Lauben, a
>> retired Army colonel who was a member of the German Affairs Branch of
>> Eisenhower's headquarters in 1945. He writes that Colonel Lauben told him
>> "other losses" meant "deaths and escapes."
>>
>>
>> "How many escapes?" Mr. Bacque asked.
>>
>>
>> "Very, very minor," Colonel Lauben replied. Mr. Bacque says they were less
>> than one-tenth of 1 percent, with no explanation of how he arrived at such
>> a figure.
>>
>>
>> Neil Cameron, the producer of the BBC documentary about "Other Losses,"
>> told the conference that he had obtained from Mr. Bacque the tape of the
>> interview. It seemed clear to Mr. Cameron that Mr. Bacque had got an old
>> man to agree with words that Mr. Bacque used and then put in his mouth.
>> Mr. Cameron did his own on-camera interview with Colonel Lauben; in it,
>> Colonel Lauben said he was misled by Mr. Bacque and was wrong about the
>> meaning of the term "other losses."
>>
>>
>> David Hawkins of CNN wanted to do an interview with Colonel Lauben.
>> Colonel Lauben turned him down, explaining in a letter "I'm not being
>> difficult. I am 91 years old, legally blind, and my memory has lapsed to a
>> point where it is quite unreliable. Furthermore I am under regular medical
>> care. Often during my talk with Mr. Bacque I reminded him that my memory
>> had deteriorated badly during the 40 odd years since 1945.
>>
>>
>> "Mr. Bacque read to me figures...It seemed to me that, after accounting
>> for transfers and discharges, there was nothing left to make up the grand
>> total except deaths and escapes, i.e. the term 'Other Losses.' I was
>> mistaken."
>>
>>
>> Thus, Mr. Bacque's only witness for the charge that "other losses" was a
>> cover-up term for deaths has twice repudiated what Mr. Bacque maintains
>> that he said.
>>
>> -- 
>> "Streicher commit suicide while in the Nuremberg Jail But you
>> people did hang him after that"
>> (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Moron)
>> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/ 
>


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On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:58:32 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
wrote:

>Kenneth is it not amazing paper is very forgiving and you can write anything 
>on it and it will not talk back. How can one verify what you are posting 
>here. Are you sure you are not lying.
>Kurt Knoll.

McVay's response is the usual American whitewashing and apologetics
for their crimes. If the facilities in the American whitewash existed,
they were clearly not the target and were not damaged in the attack.
The attack was against the medieval city core and against the 400,000
refugees fleeing the Soviet forces in the east.

It was not a class act except in demented McVay-think.

>
>"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
>news:s9idnbTKVqnxyxLVnZ2dnUVZ_v_inZ2d@vex.net...
>> In article ,
>> Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>
>>>That is not what the Hague Convention says or implies. Two conditions
>>>have to be met for a bombardment to be legitimate:
>>>
>>>1. There has to be an army on the ground in a position to capture the
>>>city.
>>>
>>>2. There has to be armed opposition trying to prevent the capture of
>>>the city by the enemy army on the ground.
>>>
>>>A few AA batteries do not constitute a "defended city". The first
>>>allied army on the ground close enough to capture the city arrived on
>>>08-May-45, whereas the terrorist attack occurred in mid February of
>>>1945.
>>
>> Which article in The Hague Convention defines "defended?"
>>
>> SII, Article 25 prohibits bombardment of "not defended" sites, but I
>> cannot locate a definition of "defended."
>>
>> According to Wikipedia:
>>
>> The U.S. Air Force Historical Division wrote a report in response to the
>> international concern about the bombing, which was classified until
>> December 1978.[27] This said that there were 110 factories and 50,000
>> workers in the city supporting the German war effort at the time of the
>> raid.[28] According to the report, there were aircraft components
>> factories; a poison gas factory (Chemische Fabric Goye and Company); an
>> anti-aircraft and field gun factory (Lehman); an optical goods factory
>> (Zeiss Ikon AG); as well as factories producing electrical and X-ray
>> apparatus (Koch and Sterzel AG); gears and differentials (Saxoniswerke);
>> and electric gauges (Gebruder Bassler). It also said there were barracks,
>> and hutted camps, and a munitions storage depot.[29]
>>
>> The USAF report also states that two of Dresden's traffic routes were of
>> military importance: north-south from Germany to Czechoslovakia, and
>> east-west along the central European uplands.[30] The city was at the
>> junction of the Berlin-Prague-Vienna railway line, as well as
>> Munich-Breslau, and Hamburg-Leipzig.[30] Colonel Harold E. Cook, an
>> American POW held in the Friedrichstadt marshaling yard the night before
>> the attacks, later said that "I saw with my own eyes that Dresden was an
>> armed camp: thousands of German troops, tanks and artillery and miles of
>> freight cars loaded with supplies supporting and transporting German
>> logistics towards the east to meet the Russians."
>>
>> ... and later adds that the city was largely undefended, excepting a force
>> of 10 Messerschmitt night fighters.
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> "We all know it but they will have us believe they have absolutely no
>> influence on governments. Not believing it would be anti emetic."
>> (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Scholar)
>> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/ 
>


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On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:28:29 -0400, ccrider64@webtv.net (Curly Howard)
wrote:

>When Hitler came to power, the country was completely, hopelessly broke.
>The Treaty of Versailles had imposed crushing reparations payments on
>the German people, who were expected to reimburse the costs of the war
>for all participants — costs totaling three times the value of all
>the property in the country.. People were living in hovels and starving.
>Nothing quite like it had ever happened before - the total destruction
>of the national currency, wiping out people's savings, their businesses,
>and the economy generally. Making matters worse, at the end of the
>decade global depression hit. Germany had no choice but to succumb to
>debt slavery to international lenders.
>Or so it seemed. Hitler and the National Socialists, who came to power
>in 1933, thwarted the international banking cartel by issuing their own
>money.

That is one of the reasons that the American east-coast money-clique
was gunning for the guy. Somebody had freed the German people from
slavery to the international money lenders, and that was obviously the
supreme crime.



> In this they took their cue from Abraham Lincoln, who funded the
>American Civil War with government-issued paper money called
>"Greenbacks." Hitler began his national credit program by devising a
>plan of public works. Projects earmarked for funding included flood
>control, repair of public buildings and private residences, and
>construction of new buildings, roads, bridges, canals, and port
>facilities. The projected cost of the various programs was fixed at one
>billion units of the national currency.
>One billion non-inflationary bills of exchange, called Labor Treasury
>Certificates, were then issued against this cost. Millions of people
>were put to work on these projects, and the workers were paid with the
>Treasury Certificates. This government-issued money wasn't backed by
>gold, but it was backed by something of real value. It was essentially a
>receipt for labor and materials delivered to the government. Hitler
>said, "for every mark that was issued we required the equivalent of a
>mark's worth of work done or goods produced." The workers then spent the
>Certificates on other goods and services, creating more jobs for more
>people.
>Within two years, the unemployment problem had been solved and the
>country was back on its feet. It had a solid, stable currency, no debt,
>and no inflation, at a time when millions of people in the United States
>and other Western countries were still out of work and living on
>welfare. Germany even managed to restore foreign trade, although it was
>denied foreign credit and was faced with an economic boycott abroad. It
>did this by using a barter system: equipment and commodities were
>exchanged directly with other countries, circumventing the international
>banks. This system of direct exchange occurred without debt and without
>trade deficits.
>Germany's economic experiment, like Lincoln's, was short-lived; but it
>left some lasting monuments to its success, including the famous
>Autobahn, the world's first extensive superhighway. Hjalmar Schacht, who
>was then head of the German central bank, is quoted in a bit of wit that
>sums up the German version of the "Greenback" miracle. 
>An American banker had commented, "Dr. Schacht, you should come to
>America. We've lots of money and that's real banking." Schacht replied,
>"You should come to Berlin. We don't have money. That's real banking."
>In Billions for the Bankers, Debts for the People (1984), Sheldon Emry
>commented: Germany issued debt-free and interest-free money from 1935
>and on, accounting for its startling rise from the depression to a world
>power in 5 years. Germany financed its entire government and war
>operation from 1935 to 1945 without gold and without debt, and it took
>the whole Capitalist and Communist world to destroy the German power
>over Europe and bring Europe back under the heel of the Bankers. Such
>history of money does not even appear in the textbooks of public
>(government) schools today.
>According to Schacht, then, not only did the government not cause the
>Weimar hyperinflation, but it was the government that got it under
>control. The Reichsbank was put under strict government regulation, and
>prompt corrective measures were taken to eliminate foreign speculation,
>by eliminating easy access to loans of bank-created money. Hitler then
>got the country back on its feet with his Treasury Certificates issued
>Greenback-style by the government


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On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:33:43 -0700 (PDT), osugeography
 wrote:

>On Jul 29, 12:04?pm, Michael  wrote:
>> On Jul 29, 9:07?am, Joe Bruno  wrote:
>>
>> > On Jul 29, 5:10?am, Michael  wrote:
>>
>> > > cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=69530&rendTypeId=4
>>
>> > > htttp://www.cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=69530&rendType=4
>>
>> > The website is busted, you idiot.
>>
>> It doesn't matter anyway; remember your comment about not being a
>> "revelation."
>> In other words for your benefit don't worry about it. I hope you and
>> Sam Suckland
>> just naturally fizzle away gradually over time,
>>
>> Michael Ragland
>
>Hello Michael.
>
>Try this link, which is working at the time I post this:
>http://original.britannica.com/eb/art-58227/Clandestine-photo-of-women-being-driven-to-the-gas-chambers
>
>Regards,
>Marvin
>
>Marvin Sebourn
>osugeography@aol.com

The photograph is pretty much meaningless. It shows nothing, and it is
the caption that contains all the inferences.

It is typical of holocaust™ crap. It is a valid photograph of
something, but with a false or misleading caption.


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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:38:34 +1000, "B. H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Michael"  wrote in message 
>news:ed07a16e-bee0-4dd5-991a-29d42f712b71@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>> http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/1689539.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=CFE42CD446739A488CD33C1927F73832A55A1E4F32AD3138
>
>How do you know they are jews, Michael m'Dear?
>
>
>
>
>> 
It looks more like "execution of captured partisans" than what Michael
is claiming. Hungarian units, and various others, wore similar
uniforms, so it isn't even clear that the executioners were German.


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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:37:57 +1000, "B. H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Michael"  wrote in message 
>news:13dcee0e-c420-4abe-8d0f-66bff1ecac7e@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/06qyfiTd177S8/610x.jpg
>
>You idiot Michael m'Dear.
>
>Russian uniforms, and Russian weapons.
>
>What a wanker you are.
>
>
Whoever these people were, they were definitely wearing Soviet
uniforms. This is another photographic misrepresentation so typical of
the holocaust™ cult.


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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:29:58 +1000, "B. H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Michael"  wrote in message 
>news:dc182a72-6cba-4cd6-9f02-aacb916e5df6@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> www.zwoje-scrolls.com/shoah/towns.html
>
>The last photo says it all, Micheal m'Dear.
>
>There have not been ANY bones found at Babi Yar. Nothing. When asked why, 
>the yids suggest there was a huge flood which washed everything away.
>
>What HAS been found there, are RUSSIAN cartridge cases.
>
>
>> 
It wouldn't be the first time that allied atrocities, in this case
Soviet, were fobbed off on German units.


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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:26:35 +1000, "B. H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Joe Bruno"  wrote in message 
>news:cf787a29-e362-4e8b-b8e4-a13240b0fa44@q28g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>On Jul 29, 5:37 am, Michael  wrote:
>> http://www.einsatzgruppenarchives.com/images/eg-07.jpg
>
>
>>Your link doesn't work, psycho.
>
>Yes it fucking does, b'luto. 

It looks as if the "corpses" were drawn in. This is a fabrication.


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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:40:10 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:l83u84psddiv2pum0nchf7d8qmvognl7r9@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:24:03 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message
>>>news:oocjk.140790$gc5.107787@pd7urf2no...
>>>> So you say where is your proof. No fabrications please.
>>>
>>>Please try to learn to read, Kurt.
>>>
>>>> lying is your domain and not ours.
>>>
>>>Excuse me, but aren't you the one who just claimed that I think all 
>>>Germans
>>>are war criminals, and aren't you the one promoting the Bacque 
>>>fabrications?
>>
>> Bacque is a Canadian, and he has zero reason to fabricate anything.
>
>He may be and you may think that, but the fact remains that his data are 
>wrong and his conclusions based on false data.
>
>His errors have been well-documented and have been brought to his attention.

His figures ring true to me, and he isn't by any means the only author
to have written along the same lines. You're just a holocaust™ shill
trying to obfuscate and confuse. 

>
>Where is his retraction, or explanation?

There isn't one because he doesn't need one.



>
>> I
>> have read his books, and they ring true to the recollections of my
>> parents about that period.
>
>Are you sure that they aren't lying to you?  Or just wrong?   It wasn't an 
>easy time for anyone, but that's what happens when you start a war that 
>causes massive devastation.
>
>Or perhaps you are lying to us.
>
>> Your stuff, by contrast, does have the ring
>> of total fabrication about it.
>
>This from the guy who claims that Germany did not participate in the Spanish 
>civil war!
>
>That's really pretty funny.
>
>-pk
>
> 


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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:07:06 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:07:04 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
>>  wrote:
>
>>> In article ,
>>> I'll Always Be Here  wrote:
>
>>>> 3) Where are the bodies for the supposed Eisenhower Death Camps?
>
>>> Good one.  And these alleged camps for German POWs had no
>>> crematoriums,  so the "corpses" should be much easier to
>>> find,  right?
>
>> There are still American bases in Germany, and nobody has dug there.
>
>Were the alleged "camps for German POWs" inside these bases?

You don't need "camps" for corpses.

>
>> The victims were generally taken away by dumptruck each morning.
>
>I assume you have some tangible evidence to support this?  Also,
>where were they taken to?  I think you're lying.
>
>What about the corpses of those allegedly killed in the Dresden
>raid?  Were any of them found?

Yes. They are buried in mass graves in and around the city. There are
numerous monuments in their memory.
  
>
>Not to mention the corpses of the "2-3 million Germans" who
>allegedly died after the war...  what rubbish.

Unlike the holocaust™ fable designed to rake in other people's money,
the German losses in the east involve real people with real property
and with living relatives. Of the 14 million residents of the eastern
provinces, only 10 million were able to save themselves through flight
to rump Germany further west. 




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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:15:47 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
wrote:

>Here is what Richard Bolschneider who was in IK'S death camp. Every morning 
>the picked up the death German Prisoners of by Truck. One day the did pile 
>all the death German death prisoners into a pile. A film grew came and took 
>movies. He latter on seen the movie clip with the death striped and nacked 
>German POW in some holocaust movie.
>Kurt Knoll.

That kind of fraud is pretty much par for the course for the allies.
I've seen pictures of Dresden fobbed off as holocaust™ victims as
well. Murdered German boys (some as young as 14) and young men would
be ideal for this macabre allied deception.

>
>; "please"  wrote in message 
>news:g6qaka$1hf$1@pcls6.std.com...
>> In article ,
>> Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:07:04 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
>>>  wrote:
>>
>>>> In article ,
>>>> I'll Always Be Here  wrote:
>>
>>>>> 3) Where are the bodies for the supposed Eisenhower Death Camps?
>>
>>>> Good one.  And these alleged camps for German POWs had no
>>>> crematoriums,  so the "corpses" should be much easier to
>>>> find,  right?
>>
>>> There are still American bases in Germany, and nobody has dug there.
>>
>> Were the alleged "camps for German POWs" inside these bases?
>>
>>> The victims were generally taken away by dumptruck each morning.
>>
>> I assume you have some tangible evidence to support this?  Also,
>> where were they taken to?  I think you're lying.
>>
>> What about the corpses of those allegedly killed in the Dresden
>> raid?  Were any of them found?
>>
>> Not to mention the corpses of the "2-3 million Germans" who
>> allegedly died after the war...  what rubbish. 
>


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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:35:36 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:pv7v84dqbt4kd4ltth2lj442210uh6r182@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:48:07 -0700 (PDT), george 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Jul 30, 7:39 am, "I'll Always Be Here"
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 1) So what? 800 dump truck loads is easily accomplished in under 100 
>>>> days
>>>> with one truck. Of course there are trucks that can carry up to a total
>>>> load of 80,000 lbs (including the 
>>>> truck)http://www.truckpaper.com/listings/detail.aspx?OHID=1798358&guid=
>>>> 955B72545B
>>>> 304A5F919EB0DD3F332645
>>>>
>>>> Easily a 10 ton load capability.
>>>>
>>>> 2) During the period when the fires were kept continously burning 
>>>> without
>>>> a break, the ashes fell through the grates and were constantly removed 
>>>> and
>>>> crushed to powder. The ashes were taken by truck to the Vistula [River],
>>>> where they immediately dissolved and drifted away. The ashes taken from
>>>> the burning pits near Bunker II and from Crematory V were handled in the
>>>> same way.
>>>>
>>>> 3) Where are the bodies for the supposed Eisenhower Death Camps?
>>>
>>>Nowhere as they didn't exist.
>>
>> They most certainly did exist. The wives and children of the inmates
>> were threatened with execution if they brought any food or water to
>> their starving relatives.
>>
>> It is crap like your "Nowhere as they didn't exist" line that makes me
>> doubt what you say about the alleged "holocaustT. Your air-headed line
>> makes it clear that you understand nothing about anything of this
>> period, so why should what you babble about the holocaustT be any
>> different?
>
>Speaking of people who "understand nothing about anything of this 
>period"....
>
>Why are you so willing to deny Germany's extensive participation in the 
>Spanish civil war?

Did the aircraft attacking Guernica have German sovereignty markings?
>
>You claim that Germany had no participation, conveniently but foolishly 
>ignoring the bombers, fighters, transports, 15,000+ troops and the 16 
>million kilos of bombs German planes with German pilots dropped on Spain, 
>with the full knowledge and support of the German government, in support of 
>Franco.

Nonsense. German mercenaries do not equal German participation. Unless
the planes were marked with German sovereignty symbols and the alleged
foot soldiers were wearing German uniforms there was no German
participation.




>
>How, exactly, is that not participation?
>
>Perhaps you understand a lot less of this period than you pretend.
>
>
>-pk
> 


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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:03:01 -0700 (PDT), pekingcat@hushmail.com
wrote:

>On Jul 29, 1:13 pm, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>> In article ,
>> The Poster Boy of Holocaust Revisionism, Kurt Knoll,
>> the reigning Village Idiot of Kitimat, polished
>> his Pikelhaube, fluffed his Coal Black SS Totenkopf
>> Tutu with Ehrenkreuz der Deutschen Mutter and  wrote:
>>
>> >Ambrose is on the holocaust industries Payroll. What do you expect he would
>>
>> Translation: "I, Leading Revisionist Scholar Kurt Knoll, the Village Idiot
>> of Kitimat, cannot refute the evidence presented. I cannot refute
>> revelation of Bacque's errors, nor the German government's denouncement of
>> Bacque's conclusions as nonsense. I will therefore change the subject and
>> avoid the issue entirely."
>
>What 'evidence' presented?  Because the German government denounced
>Bacque's research?  That's not evidence.  That is the German state
>complying with the current world view of 'America the good'.  Look at
>the firebombings and nuclear bombings you moron.  That news they
>couldn't suppress.  'Oh we barbecued Hiroshima but we would never
>treat our German DEF's with malice.'  Oh.  That's nice.  Then why did
>they change the designation from POW to DEF?  Why is there relatively
>small outrage concerning the firebombings and nuclear barbecues?  Why
>is the holocaust slammed over our heads again and again and again?
>Don't you ask yourself any questions oh Mr. politically correct?  You
>should.  That's how you get at the truth.  But then I doubt that you
>can handle the truth.

LOL

The same German puppet regime that McVay looks to for "proof" also
claimed that German units were responsible for Katyn, so how much
credibility can one give to their "denunciations"?

>
>> `
>>
>> >say. On the other hand if the survivors of IK'S death camp would have been
>> >allowed to write their experience into German news papers we would not be
>> >here arguing about it.
>>
>> There were no Allied "death camps," Frau Pikelhaube, so there were no
>> "survivors" of "Ike's death camps."
>>
>> YOU have yet to prove that "Gussen was a regional crematorium
>> and therefore also included civilian death from this area," as you
>> claimed on July 3, 2008.
>>
>> YOU have yet to prove that "the Germans killed more Jews
>> that were ever alive" as you claimed on June 28, 2008
>>
>> YOU have yet to prove that reporters or photographers carried
>> "5 or 6" striped inmate uniforms from concentration camp to
>> concentration camp just to photograph people wearing them,
>> as you have claimed.
>>
>> YOU have yet to prove that (1) human fat will not combust, and
>> (2) contribute to the heat of the cremation process, as you
>> have claimed.
>>
>> YOU have failed to prove the existence of a single "Eisenhower
>> death camp," as you have claimed, and you have ignored the fact
>> that the German Government itself has said that Bacque's
>> assertions about hundreds of thousands of German soldiers being
>> deliberately starved to death is absolute rubbish.
>>
>> YOU have failed to document that concentration camp guards -
>> ANY concentration camp guards - were ever placed under any
>> sort of "gag order" by anyone, as you have claimed, nor have you
>> been able to produce this alleged "gag order," or point to any
>> archive, anywhere in the world, where it might be found.
>>
>> YOU have failed to prove your incredibly stupid assertion that
>> 45,000 people died during the bombing of Nurnberg as you have claimed.
>>
>> YOU have failed to prove your bizarre assertion that someone,
>> somewhere, said that the Germans killed prisoners at Mauthausen
>> as soon as they arrived by train, as you have claimed.
>>
>> YOU have yet to show which clause of the Versailles Treaty, exactly,
>> prohibits the construction of Polish military installations along
>> the Polish Corridor, even though you claim such a prohibition exists
>> within the treaty.
>>
>> YOU have failed to produce any "agreement" between the Allies and the
>> post-war German government that banned "butting" the Allies in "a bad
>> light" as you have claimed.
>>
>> YOU have not contacted European universities to determine whether or not
>> materials you claim are "banned," as you have claimed, are available.
>>
>> YOU have not documented a single law that banned publication of newspapers
>> printed between 1918 and 1939, as you have claimed.
>>
>> YOU have not contacted the IFZ to ask them to document their claim about
>> gassings at Dachau.
>>
>> YOU cannot produce a shred of documentation proving that a plaque exists
>> outside the Dachau camp which states that no one was ever gassed there,
>> as you have claimed.
>>
>> YOU have not documented a single law which bans "discussion of the
>> Holocaust," or "asking questions about the Holocaust," as you have
>> claimed.
>>
>> THAT is why your claim that you are here to "find out the truth" is so
>> easily revealed as a blatant lie.
>>
>> YOU have not documented or identified a single law which forbids
>> "dissection" of Holocaust historiography, as you have claimed.
>>
>> --
>> "Fritz is making of himself the Brittany Spears of the
>> revisionist world..." (Bradley Smith of Friedrich Paul
>> Berg, Leading Revisionist Scholars both, on Bradley
>> Smith's Mailing List, Jan. 18, 2008)


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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:18:53 -0700 (PDT), pekingcat@hushmail.com
wrote:

>On Jul 30, 6:10 pm, "I'll Always Be Here"
> wrote:
>> peking...@hushmail.com wrote in news:84fd5d4c-1a37-4e30-9959-174355238e50
>> @x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Jul 29, 1:13 pm, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>> >> In article ,
>> >> The Poster Boy of Holocaust Revisionism, Kurt Knoll,
>> >> the reigning Village Idiot of Kitimat, polished
>> >> his Pikelhaube, fluffed his Coal Black SS Totenkopf
>> >> Tutu with Ehrenkreuz der Deutschen Mutter and 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >> >Ambrose is on the holocaust industries Payroll. What do you expect he
>> wo
>> > uld
>>
>> >> Translation: "I, Leading Revisionist Scholar Kurt Knoll, the Village
>> Idio
>> > t
>> >> of Kitimat, cannot refute the evidence presented. I cannot refute
>> >> revelation of Bacque's errors, nor the German government's denouncement
>> o
>> > f
>> >> Bacque's conclusions as nonsense. I will therefore change the subject
>> and
>> >> avoid the issue entirely."
>>
>> > What 'evidence' presented?  Because the German government denounced
>> > Bacque's research?  That's not evidence.  That is the German state
>> > complying with the current world view of 'America the good'.  Look at
>> > the firebombings and nuclear bombings you moron.  That news they
>> > couldn't suppress.  'Oh we barbecued Hiroshima but we would never
>> > treat our German DEF's with malice.'  Oh.  That's nice.  Then why did
>> > they change the designation from POW to DEF?
>>
>> You know why. That's been answered repeatedly.
>>
>>   Why is there relatively
>>
>> > small outrage concerning the firebombings and nuclear barbecues?
>>
>> Where is your outrage over Coventry and Bath?
>>
>I'm not saying that the German bombing of civilians was the right
>thing to do.  It's all a ghastly business.  That' includes what the
>allies did.

Coventry was the site the the Rolls Royce aircraft-engine plant, and
the number of civilian casualties was very small, as compared to
Anglo-American attacks in Germany where the civilians were the actual
target. The holocaustorians are deceptively trying to compare apples
and oranges.

>
>> >  Why is the holocaust slammed over our heads again and again and again?
>>
>> So that you good guys don't do it again.
>>
>
>I sure as heck don't want to start a holocaust of any people Mr.
>autumn squash head.
>
>> > Don't you ask yourself any questions oh Mr. politically correct?  You
>> > should.  That's how you get at the truth.  But then I doubt that you
>> > can handle the truth.
>>
>> Here's a question for you to answer. Concerning the purported "Eisenhower
>> Death Camps", where are the bodies? Not one body, not any proof, no death
>> camps.
>>
>Oh. I'm sure they looked real hard.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >> `
>>
>> >> >say. On the other hand if the survivors of IK'S death camp would have
>> be
>> > en
>> >> >allowed to write their experience into German news papers we would not
>> b
>> > e
>> >> >here arguing about it.
>>
>> >> There were no Allied "death camps," Frau Pikelhaube, so there were no
>> >> "survivors" of "Ike's death camps."
>>
>> >> YOU have yet to prove that "Gussen was a regional crematorium
>> >> and therefore also included civilian death from this area," as you
>> >> claimed on July 3, 2008.
>>
>> >> YOU have yet to prove that "the Germans killed more Jews
>> >> that were ever alive" as you claimed on June 28, 2008
>>
>> >> YOU have yet to prove that reporters or photographers carried
>> >> "5 or 6" striped inmate uniforms from concentration camp to
>> >> concentration camp just to photograph people wearing them,
>> >> as you have claimed.
>>
>> >> YOU have yet to prove that (1) human fat will not combust, and
>> >> (2) contribute to the heat of the cremation process, as you
>> >> have claimed.
>>
>> >> YOU have failed to prove the existence of a single "Eisenhower
>> >> death camp," as you have claimed, and you have ignored the fact
>> >> that the German Government itself has said that Bacque's
>> >> assertions about hundreds of thousands of German soldiers being
>> >> deliberately starved to death is absolute rubbish.
>>
>> >> YOU have failed to document that concentration camp guards -
>> >> ANY concentration camp guards - were ever placed under any
>> >> sort of "gag order" by anyone, as you have claimed, nor have you
>> >> been able to produce this alleged "gag order," or point to any
>> >> archive, anywhere in the world, where it might be found.
>>
>> >> YOU have failed to prove your incredibly stupid assertion that
>> >> 45,000 people died during the bombing of Nurnberg as you have claimed.
>>
>> >> YOU have failed to prove your bizarre assertion that someone,
>> >> somewhere, said that the Germans killed prisoners at Mauthausen
>> >> as soon as they arrived by train, as you have claimed.
>>
>> >> YOU have yet to show which clause of the Versailles Treaty, exactly,
>> >> prohibits the construction of Polish military installations along
>> >> the Polish Corridor, even though you claim such a prohibition exists
>> >> within the treaty.
>>
>> >> YOU have failed to produce any "agreement" between the Allies and the
>> >> post-war German government that banned "butting" the Allies in "a bad
>> >> light" as you have claimed.
>>
>> >> YOU have not contacted European universities to determine whether or
>> not
>> >> materials you claim are "banned," as you have claimed, are available.
>>
>> >> YOU have not documented a single law that banned publication of
>> newspaper
>> > s
>> >> printed between 1918 and 1939, as you have claimed.
>>
>> >> YOU have not contacted the IFZ to ask them to document their claim
>> about
>> >> gassings at Dachau.
>>
>> >> YOU cannot produce a shred of documentation proving that a plaque
>> exists
>> >> outside the Dachau camp which states that no one was ever gassed there,
>> >> as you have claimed.
>>
>> >> YOU have not documented a single law which bans "discussion of the
>> >> Holocaust," or "asking questions about the Holocaust," as you have
>> >> claimed.
>>
>> >> THAT is why your claim that you are here to "find out the truth" is so
>> >> easily revealed as a blatant lie.
>>
>> >> YOU have not documented or identified a single law which forbids
>> >> "dissection" of Holocaust historiography, as you have claimed.
>>
>> >> --
>> >> "Fritz is making of himself the Brittany Spears of the
>> >> revisionist world..." (Bradley Smith of Friedrich Paul
>> >> Berg, Leading Revisionist Scholars both, on Bradley
>> >> Smith's Mailing List, Jan. 18, 2008)
>>
>>


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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:27:04 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:un5u841jggsumi85bstuqe33lm7khtru5l@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:02:29 -0700 (PDT), pekingcat@hushmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Jul 28, 1:08 pm, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>>>> In article 
>>>> ,
>>>> Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >Our govt has been telling us for 60 years about how much we helped the
>>>> >german people after the war!! I read a book last year about Hamburg,
>>>> >the city that was obliterated by the allies and their terror bombing.
>>>> >It said that the people suffered most AFTER the war when the allies
>>>> >tried to run the city and caused mass famine.
>>>>
>>>> Please spare us the crocodile tears for the poor Germans who were bombed
>>>> as a direct result of their having started a war of aggression.
>>>
>>>You are saying that Germans that were murdered were somehow guilty?
>>>Of what McVay?
>>>Why focus on places that you want us to focus at?  Your heart bleeds
>>>not for innocent Germans does it you hateful bitch?
>>
>> McVay continues to pound the propaganda drum on relatively trivial
>> events such as Guernica, Rotterdam, and Warsaw. In the case of
>> Guernica, it had nothing to do with Germany. The incident in question
>> happened during the Spanish civil war, and Germany was not a
>> participant in the Spanish civil war.
>
>Thanks for demonstrating, so clearly, the brain-dead ignorance required for 
>Holocaust Denial and "Revisionism"!
>
>The German Nazi Government sent many planes, tanks, much materiel, and 
>15,000 troops at the start of the war, to support Franco.
>
>German planes, piloted by Germans,  dropped 16,953,700 kilos of bombs during 
>the Spanish Civil War.    This is where "carpet bombing" was developed.
>
>Yes, Germany was most certainly a participant in the Spanish civil war.
>
>Are you actually trying look this uninformed?   Please try to learn 
>something before posting!

No units of the Reichswehr were ever involved in Spain, either on the
ground or in the air. American aircraft get used all over the world,
but that hardly makes the American state, let alone the American
public, responsible for whatever carnage they may have wrought.

The Spanish civil war was the business of Spaniards, and they take
responsibility for whatever took place.

>
>-pk
>
>
>
> 


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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:49:38 -0700 (PDT), Michael
 wrote:

>On Jul 30, 3:13 pm, "Truth Will Out" 
>wrote:
>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in messagenews:77k094524d1ia5l87cib0gaf25c9oefals@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:37:57 +1000, "B. H. Cramer"
>> >  wrote:
>>
>> >>"Michael"  wrote in message
>> >>news:13dcee0e-c420-4abe-8d0f-66bff1ecac7e@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> >>>http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/06qyfiTd177S8/610x.jpg
>>
>> >>You idiot Michael m'Dear.
>>
>> >>Russian uniforms, and Russian weapons.
>>
>> >>What a wanker you are.
>>
>> > Whoever these people were, they were definitely wearing Soviet
>> > uniforms. This is another photographic misrepresentation so typical of
>> > the holocaustT cult.
>>
>> I notice that Ragland has not commented on the discrepancy.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>
>They're German weapons and uniforms. the Germans had many uniforms.

You can tell all that from this extremely grainy photograph? What make
were the weapons, and how can you tell from the photograph?

Which German units had uniforms that looked exactly like Soviet
uniforms? When were these uniforms issued?

>
>Michael Ragland


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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:40:18 +1000, "B. H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:cak094lu85k61gop9tuh8sd9qvpm9porgf@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:29:58 +1000, "B. H. Cramer"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Michael"  wrote in message
>>>news:dc182a72-6cba-4cd6-9f02-aacb916e5df6@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>>> www.zwoje-scrolls.com/shoah/towns.html
>>>
>>>The last photo says it all, Micheal m'Dear.
>>>
>>>There have not been ANY bones found at Babi Yar. Nothing. When asked why,
>>>the yids suggest there was a huge flood which washed everything away.
>>>
>>>What HAS been found there, are RUSSIAN cartridge cases.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>> It wouldn't be the first time that allied atrocities, in this case
>> Soviet, were fobbed off on German units.
>
>This entire Holocaust(tm) thing is a fabrication by the Soviets, designed to 
>blacken the Germans. It really didn't get any leverage internationally until 
>the American yids picked up and ran with it.

Obviously they quickly sized up the financial potential of this story.

>
>For posting what I did now, and about the Russian cartridge cases being 
>found at Babi Yar, I could go to jail in Germany.
>
>Such a protection racket already.
>


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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:37:06 -0700 (PDT), Michael
 wrote:

>On Jul 30, 11:12 am, a-little-sanity,  please 
>wrote:
>> In article ,
>> B. H. Cramer  wrote:
>>
>> > What death camps, Michael m'Dear?
>>
>> The death camps which *you* wrote about,  you silly old thing:
>>
>> In Message-ID:
>>  you wrote
>> the following:
>>
>> "Kurt Schlesinger walked the tightrope of a survivor. He was the
>> type of person who left the impression that he possessed deplorable
>> mentality.  After all, he was prepared to sacrifice the lives of over
>> one hundred thousand fellow prisoners, sending them to certain death
>> in the camps of Auschwitz/Birkenau and Sobibor in order to safe his
>> own and that of some of the German alte Lagerinsassen".
>>
>> If you deny the Holocaust,  can you explain why you believe
>> that sending these people (over one hundred thousand of them)
>> to Sobibor and Birkenau meant certain death for them?
>
>It is well known that at some point "Resettlement to the East" meant
>extermination of European Jewry by Nazi Germany; all so-called plans
>at deportation were not possible because of the war and most of
>countries unwilling to accept European Jews. "Resettlement of the
>Jews" became a euphemism" just like "special treatment". All you can
>do is deny, deny, deny, deny, deny. You are completely useless in this
>regard.

Why would Nazi officials bother with nebulous euphemisms for their
intentions? They didn't do so for partisans and other irregulars, so
why would they do this here? None of this documentation was ever
intended to fall into allied hands. The Soviets meticulously told the
truth in their archives, since if some enemy was reading the contents,
then the regime must be history and secrecy would no longer be an
issue.

I don't see anybody here denying anything. People just don't find your
fables very convincing, and that is YOUR problem, not theirs.

>
>Michael Ragland


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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:25:34 -0700 (PDT), william hubbard
 wrote:

>On Jul 29, 2:28 pm, ccride...@webtv.net (Curly Howard) wrote:
>> When Hitler came to power, the country was completely, hopelessly broke.
>> The Treaty of Versailles had imposed crushing reparations payments on
>> the German people, who were expected to reimburse the costs of the war
>> for all participants — costs totaling three times the value of all
>> the property in the country.. People were living in hovels and starving.
>> Nothing quite like it had ever happened before - the total destruction
>> of the national currency, wiping out people's savings, their businesses,
>> and the economy generally. Making matters worse, at the end of the
>> decade global depression hit. Germany had no choice but to succumb to
>> debt slavery to international lenders.
>> Or so it seemed. Hitler and the National Socialists, who came to power
>> in 1933, thwarted the international banking cartel by issuing their own
>> money. In this they took their cue from Abraham Lincoln, who funded the
>> American Civil War with government-issued paper money called
>> "Greenbacks." Hitler began his national credit program by devising a
>> plan of public works. Projects earmarked for funding included flood
>> control, repair of public buildings and private residences, and
>> construction of new buildings, roads, bridges, canals, and port
>> facilities. The projected cost of the various programs was fixed at one
>> billion units of the national currency.
>> One billion non-inflationary bills of exchange, called Labor Treasury
>> Certificates, were then issued against this cost. Millions of people
>> were put to work on these projects, and the workers were paid with the
>> Treasury Certificates. This government-issued money wasn't backed by
>> gold, but it was backed by something of real value. It was essentially a
>> receipt for labor and materials delivered to the government. Hitler
>> said, "for every mark that was issued we required the equivalent of a
>> mark's worth of work done or goods produced." The workers then spent the
>> Certificates on other goods and services, creating more jobs for more
>> people.
>> Within two years, the unemployment problem had been solved and the
>> country was back on its feet. It had a solid, stable currency, no debt,
>> and no inflation, at a time when millions of people in the United States
>> and other Western countries were still out of work and living on
>> welfare. Germany even managed to restore foreign trade, although it was
>> denied foreign credit and was faced with an economic boycott abroad. It
>> did this by using a barter system: equipment and commodities were
>> exchanged directly with other countries, circumventing the international
>> banks. This system of direct exchange occurred without debt and without
>> trade deficits.
>> Germany's economic experiment, like Lincoln's, was short-lived; but it
>> left some lasting monuments to its success, including the famous
>> Autobahn, the world's first extensive superhighway. Hjalmar Schacht, who
>> was then head of the German central bank, is quoted in a bit of wit that
>> sums up the German version of the "Greenback" miracle.
>> An American banker had commented, "Dr. Schacht, you should come to
>> America. We've lots of money and that's real banking." Schacht replied,
>> "You should come to Berlin. We don't have money. That's real banking."
>> In Billions for the Bankers, Debts for the People (1984), Sheldon Emry
>> commented: Germany issued debt-free and interest-free money from 1935
>> and on, accounting for its startling rise from the depression to a world
>> power in 5 years. Germany financed its entire government and war
>> operation from 1935 to 1945 without gold and without debt, and it took
>> the whole Capitalist and Communist world to destroy the German power
>> over Europe and bring Europe back under the heel of the Bankers. Such
>> history of money does not even appear in the textbooks of public
>> (government) schools today.
>> According to Schacht, then, not only did the government not cause the
>> Weimar hyperinflation, but it was the government that got it under
>> control. The Reichsbank was put under strict government regulation, and
>> prompt corrective measures were taken to eliminate foreign speculation,
>> by eliminating easy access to loans of bank-created money. Hitler then
>> got the country back on its feet with his Treasury Certificates issued
>> Greenback-style by the government
>
>  he should have stopped with the Vdub and the autobahn..

It would have made no difference what Hitler did or didn't do. 

The allies had been preparing for a new war against Germany since the
late twenties, long before Hitler and his NSDAP even came to power.
When Versailles failed to destroy Germany, then more classical methods
needed to be employed.

Britain, after all, held the world record for the sheer number of
wars, including such pearls as the War of Jenkin's Ear and the Opium
War against China. There is nothing benign or moral about Britain and
its efforts to hang onto world domination at all costs.

They saw Germany as a dangerous economic and political rival on the
European continent and they were determined to eliminate that rival.
It would have made no difference whatsoever who was in power in
Germany when they finally figured they were ready.


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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:06:20 +0300, "halle" 
wrote:

>Can't name a single one. No proof, no 6 million dead. 
>
The USA autopsied thousands of corpses, but not one died of the toxic
effects of HCN or similar poisons.


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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:10:22 GMT, "Truth Will Out"
 wrote:

>
>"halle"  wrote in message 
>news:KYXjk.42143$_03.22295@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
>> Can't name a single one. No proof, no 6 million dead.
>
>Yad Vashem can only come up with less than 3 million names. And that is only 
>achieved by counting many of the names more than once.
>
>This entire Holocaust thing is a giant confidence trick.
>
>
>
>
>>
>> 
>
My personal rule of thumb, using the Rotterdam example of 30,000
victims according to allied propaganda and 850 victims according to
the city administration, is that when faced with an allied claim of X
victims, the truth will fall somewhere in the 3% to 7% range of their
claims.


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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:24:52 -0700 (PDT), I AM A TRUE CHRISTIAN
 wrote:

>On 30 jul, 13:05, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>> In article <829v84hjha1cmosh1dkoa8tc00n8pgt...@4ax.com>,
>> Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>>
>> >On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:58:32 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
>> >wrote:
>>
>> >>Kenneth is it not amazing paper is very forgiving and you can write anything
>> >>on it and it will not talk back. How can one verify what you are posting
>> >>here. Are you sure you are not lying.
>> >>Kurt Knoll.
>>
>> >McVay's response is the usual American whitewashing and apologetics
>> >for their crimes. If the facilities in the American whitewash existed,
>> >they were clearly not the target and were not damaged in the attack.
>> >The attack was against the medieval city core and against the 400,000
>> >refugees fleeing the Soviet forces in the east.
>>
>> >It was not a class act except in demented McVay-think.
>>
>> Translation: "I, Leading Revisionist Scholar v. Ebersdorf, cannot refute
>> the evidence presented. Hell, I'm not even going to try."

You haven't presented any evidence, so what is there to refute? 

>>
>> You cannot show where, in either Hague Convention, the word "defended" is
>> defined.

Yawn. International Law is quite clear on the topic. All you need to
do is to look up the agreement. The convention is pre-WW1, so a few AA
positions would NOT have been there as an exception or have been
defined as a "defended city".


>>
>> You cannot provide a single shred of documentation which refutes the
>> American report that "110 factories and 50,000 workers in the city
>> supporting the German war effort at the time of the raid."

There is nothing to refute. A few porcelain factories that were not
even damaged proves nothing. Even if the allied paper were true, it
does not justify a terrorist attack against 400,000 refugees from the
east. 

>>
>> Nor can you refute the report's contention regarding the importance
>> of the two military routes in use, or the eyewitness report that there
>> were thousands of German troops in the city, i.e. it was defended.

There was no allied army on the ground prepared to capture the city,
so the attack was a terrorist attack on an open city.

>>
>> As usual, v. Ebersdorf, you're knolling.
>>
>> You have not proven your assertion that American bases in Germany may
>> contain graves of the "victims" of the "Eisenhower death camps," and
>> you have yet to document your claim that "The victims were generally
>> taken away by dumptruck each morning."

Are you really stupid enough to believe that your blizzard of allied
paper is actually "proof" of anything other than that the allies were
in the position to produce that paper?

>>
>> Please support your claim that, "The Poles have always been dramatically
>> more anti-Semitic than Germans ever were" by providing academic source
>> studies.

Read some Polish history. There is a reason that so many Polish Jews
moved west into Germany, and it wasn't because Poland was
heaven-on-earth for them.

>>
>> Which "Dachau story" was it that "collapsed in 1946," as you
>> claimed on July 22, 2008?

Initial American claims were 26 million for this camp, accompanied by
all kinds of fantastic fables about "events" at the camp. When reality
struck, the total death roll was 18 thousand, which is a mite fewer
than 26 million.

>>
>> For instance, can you tell us, using documentary citations, who
>> made the "suggestions" you referenced on July 19th when you wrote,
>> "Eye witness testimony is so unreliable that there have been
>> suggestions that it should not be used in a trial in the absence
>> of physical evidence such as DNA, fingerprints, etc."
>>
>> We're still waiting for your documentation about those
>> documents introduced into evidence at Nurnberg which you claim were
>> available in English long before they were available in German.

Take your pick. ALL the documents were available in English before
they were available in German.

>>
>> We're also still waiting for your documentary evidence that most of
>> the Nurnberg evidenciary documents were forgeries.

The allied "copies" were simply defined as "correct", since there was
nobody to oppose this travesty. There is no evidence that originals
ever existed.

>>
>> You have yet to prove that "The allies were the authors of Terror
>> Bombing," as you claimed on July 18, 2008.

Britain launched its campaign against the Rhineland towns and villages
>from the first day of the war, and the German government did not
respond for over six months.

>>
>> --
>>  "No, I myself am not anti-Semitic, I just don't like Jews!"
>>  (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Scholar)
>>  The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/
>
>http://groups.icq.com/groups/index.php?act=view_topic&group_id=545&topic_id=121528&forum_page=1
>
>SEE EBERSDORF  Spanish court rules out jail sentences for Holocaust
>denial

Spain is in Europe, but Spain does not equal Europe. In Germany, it is
a crime to question the allied version of WW2. The German government
knows very well what it is doing, since it knows that its lies will
not stand up to scrutiny, so the solution is to shield the lies from
scrutiny by promises of five-years imprisonment.

>
>
>By Assaf Uni, Haaretz Correspondent in Berlin
>
>
>Spain's Constitutional Court ruled Thursday that Holocaust denial
>will
>not be punishable by imprisonment, saying it falls within freedom of
>speech.
>
>
>Spanish law had mandated a sentence of up to two years in prison for
>Holocaust denial. But the court, which deliberated on the case
>following the trial of a neo-Nazi activist, ruled that such a
>punishment was unconstitutional.
>
>
>


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:27:28 GMT, "Truth Will Out"
 wrote:

>
>"Michael"  wrote in message 
>news:2fd54c34-f3ef-4436-8d40-f20a72e408bd@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>On Jul 28, 8:04 pm, "The Quantum Shaman" 
>wrote:
>> http://domarisociety.googlepages.com/aboutthedomaricommunitycenter
>>
>> My people (forefathers) have lived in the Old City of Jerusalem and the 
>> West
>> Bank for over 100 years, and yet, in many ways, during these 100 years our
>> standard of living and status of life has not changed. Many of my people
>> still live without electricity, many do not have indoor plumbing, and many
>> cannot read or write.
>>
>> What are the goals of this new organization, Domari: the Society of 
>> Gypsies
>> in Israel?
>>
>> We would like to raise our standard of living through education and health
>> care.
>>
>> Many of the Gypsy children do not attend school because they are
>> discriminated against by the teachers and other students. Many are ashamed
>> to go to school because they do not have clothes or backpacks like the 
>> other
>> children. Because their parents did not attend school they are unable to 
>> get
>> good jobs and don't have the money needed to buy the books and school
>> supplies.
>>
>> If the children were to attend school, they would be able to get better 
>> jobs
>> and raise their standard of living.
>>
>> Health care is another concern of our organization. We need to teach the
>> women how to care for the health of their children and family. We need to
>> look at how we can help the disabled in our community. Currently there is 
>> no
>> health care available in our community. This needs to be changed.
>>
>> --
>> +
>>
>> Pucker your lips for the Apocalypse!
>>
>> Johnny Asia, Guitarist from the Future
>>
>> http://music.download.com/johnnyasia
>>
>> http://johnnyasia.info/
>>
>> "If you want to know what the future of
>> music sounds like..listen to Johnny Asia,
>> then you'll know!" - Jazz Guitarist Dom Minasi
>>
>> +
>>
>> ** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**
>
>
>>The Nazi's exterminated Roma and Sinti.
>
>How did he manage that? They still exist.
>
>
>
Obviously those survivors have no pull, since the German government
refused to give them a single red Pfennig, since the Roma don't have
the backing of the USA. 

The only reason that Israel got any money is because the USA was their
enforcer in this extortion racket.


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:53:28 +1000, "B. H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Eli Grubman"  wrote in message 
>news:gfk294lcq72p59b8ilam9cujhkdma76ufh@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:21:22 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Re Gypsys. They are no differend than we are. There aregood an bad once in
>>>every race.
>>>Kurt Knoll.
>>
>> They certainly are different.  They're all thieves.  Just like jews.
>>
>> Eli
>>
>>>"Eli Grubman"  wrote in message
>>>news:b5h294lokgvmlikoa9rq5op3sindtlkt55@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:57:15 GMT, flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On 30-Jul-2008, holman@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article , "Truth
>>>>>> Will
>>>>>> Out"  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > "Michael"  wrote in message
>>>>>> > news:2fd54c34-f3ef-4436-8d40-f20a72e408bd@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >The Nazi's exterminated Roma and Sinti.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > How did he manage that? They still exist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do tell. My parents once had the termites in their front yard
>>>>>> exterminated. Needless to say, termites still exist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most genocides in history have been partial. The Herero, Namaqua,
>>>>>> Tasmanians, Armenians, Jews, Roma, Sinti, Hutus, and Bosnian Muslims,
>>>>>> among others, have all been the objects of partially successful
>>>>>> genocides.
>>>>>
>>>>>Proportionally speaking, they probably killed as many Roma as Jews.
>>>>>It's harder to get population figures on Roma, of course.
>>>>>
>>>>>Susan
>>>>
>>>> "Roma"?  They're gypsy scum, you thick Irish cunt.
>
>How does the song go again "Gypsies, tramps and jews" or something like that 
>;-)
>
Even in English, "gyped" or "jewed" is a synonym for defrauded. Where
there is smoke, there is probably some fire. There is a reason that
these terms came to be part of the English language.



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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:00:49 -0700 (PDT), Michael
 wrote:

>On Jul 30, 4:43 pm, ZULU  wrote:
>> osugeography wrote:
>> > On Jul 29, 12:04 pm, Michael  wrote:
>>
>> >>On Jul 29, 9:07 am, Joe Bruno  wrote:
>>
>> >>>On Jul 29, 5:10 am, Michael  wrote:
>>
>> >>>>cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=69530&rendTypeId=4
>>
>> >>>>htttp://www.cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=69530&rendType=4
>>
>> >>>The website is busted, you idiot.
>>
>> >>It doesn't matter anyway; remember your comment about not being a
>> >>"revelation."
>> >>In other words for your benefit don't worry about it. I hope you and
>> >>Sam Suckland
>> >>just naturally fizzle away gradually over time,
>>
>> >>Michael Ragland
>>
>> > Hello Michael.
>>
>> > Try this link, which is working at the time I post this:
>> >http://original.britannica.com/eb/art-58227/Clandestine-photo-of-wome...
>>
>> LOL. Pressac shows that photo also.
>> According with the visible trees and the chimney of Krema IV or V on bottom left, that
>> photo seems to have been taken near Zentral Sauna and Kanada.
>>
>> Any savage SS guard to force them to go to any part. The group appears as peaceful.
>> The direction they take is NOT toward ANY Krema but likely to Zentral Sauna.
>> They can go there to take a shower while their effect would be treated.
>>
>> ON that plan, the group can be located on the left of the label "Canada", between the
>> perimeter fence and the main road.
>>
>> http://holocaust-info.dk/auschwitz/Auschwitz/map.jpghttp://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/library/imint/images/auschwitz19...- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>What is that over towering structure accopanying the "naked women".
>You people are so purposefully deluded and in denial but your
>instincts are fully aware of the Holocaust...that it occurred.

Nonsense. The event that you try to float as the holocaust™ did not
occur. There is no doubt that Jews were persecuted by the Nazis, and
very few dispute that, but the total death toll would be under 0.5
million with no gassings. 

There are just too many loose ends in your story that make no sense.

>
>Michael Ragland


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:00:04 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:nbi3945kk5j1hnv9gesai0vst2phtklmh4@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:40:10 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>news:l83u84psddiv2pum0nchf7d8qmvognl7r9@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:24:03 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message
>>>>>news:oocjk.140790$gc5.107787@pd7urf2no...
>>>>>> So you say where is your proof. No fabrications please.
>>>>>
>>>>>Please try to learn to read, Kurt.
>>>>>
>>>>>> lying is your domain and not ours.
>>>>>
>>>>>Excuse me, but aren't you the one who just claimed that I think all
>>>>>Germans
>>>>>are war criminals, and aren't you the one promoting the Bacque
>>>>>fabrications?
>>>>
>>>> Bacque is a Canadian, and he has zero reason to fabricate anything.
>>>
>>>He may be and you may think that, but the fact remains that his data are
>>>wrong and his conclusions based on false data.
>>>
>>>His errors have been well-documented and have been brought to his 
>>>attention.
>>
>> His figures ring true to me,
>
>Then you should actually check them.

We saw what formerly healthy relatives looked like after they came
home from the American camps. I just won't buy into any airheaded
lectures from you. You don't know what you're babbling about.

>
>-pk 


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:48:44 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:p1j394tq91ojglmfq5ddk0rvb5fu33bgia@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:35:36 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>news:pv7v84dqbt4kd4ltth2lj442210uh6r182@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:48:07 -0700 (PDT), george 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Jul 30, 7:39 am, "I'll Always Be Here"
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) So what? 800 dump truck loads is easily accomplished in under 100
>>>>>> days
>>>>>> with one truck. Of course there are trucks that can carry up to a 
>>>>>> total
>>>>>> load of 80,000 lbs (including the
>>>>>> truck)http://www.truckpaper.com/listings/detail.aspx?OHID=1798358&guid=
>>>>>> 955B72545B
>>>>>> 304A5F919EB0DD3F332645
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Easily a 10 ton load capability.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) During the period when the fires were kept continously burning
>>>>>> without
>>>>>> a break, the ashes fell through the grates and were constantly removed
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> crushed to powder. The ashes were taken by truck to the Vistula 
>>>>>> [River],
>>>>>> where they immediately dissolved and drifted away. The ashes taken 
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> the burning pits near Bunker II and from Crematory V were handled in 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> same way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3) Where are the bodies for the supposed Eisenhower Death Camps?
>>>>>
>>>>>Nowhere as they didn't exist.
>>>>
>>>> They most certainly did exist. The wives and children of the inmates
>>>> were threatened with execution if they brought any food or water to
>>>> their starving relatives.
>>>>
>>>> It is crap like your "Nowhere as they didn't exist" line that makes me
>>>> doubt what you say about the alleged "holocaustT. Your air-headed line
>>>> makes it clear that you understand nothing about anything of this
>>>> period, so why should what you babble about the holocaustT be any
>>>> different?
>>>
>>>Speaking of people who "understand nothing about anything of this
>>>period"....
>>>
>>>Why are you so willing to deny Germany's extensive participation in the
>>>Spanish civil war?
>>
>> Did the aircraft attacking Guernica have German sovereignty markings?
>
>Were the planes and their munitions supplied for money by the German 
>Government, were they from the German Air Force, were the pilots Germans 
>there under direction by the German Government?
>
>Yes, or no?
>
>All this materiel didn't just show up in Spain.   It was officially 
>requested and officially supplied.
>
>The markings mean nothing in respect to official German involvement.
>
>
>>>
>>>You claim that Germany had no participation, conveniently but foolishly
>>>ignoring the bombers, fighters, transports, 15,000+ troops and the 16
>>>million kilos of bombs German planes with German pilots dropped on Spain,
>>>with the full knowledge and support of the German government, in support 
>>>of
>>>Franco.
>>
>> Nonsense.
>
>Your pretend argument certainly is.   It's embarrasingly lame, really.
>
>> German mercenaries do not
>
>"German mercenaries" do not bring with them large amounts of hardware and 
>munitions that happen to be the property of the German Government, without 
>the active and knowing participation of the German Government.
>
>> equal German participation.
>
>What an incredibly lame excuse for an an excuse.
>
>The payments for all these military material and services were paid *to the 
>German Government*, who this participated in the Spanish civil war.
>
>
>> Unless
>> the planes were marked with German sovereignty symbols
>
>No, not unless.   The very fact that these planes were there,  with the full 
>support of the German Government, demonstrates their full and knowing 
>participation.
>
>You're caught here.   You are wrong, and your excuse just does not wash.
>
>> and the alleged
>> foot soldiers were wearing German uniforms there was no German
>> participation.
>
>Oh, yes there was.   Franco requested this material and these services *from 
>the German Government*, for money.   The German Government as the Government 
>of Germany, accepted.
>
>He asked, he offered money to the German Government, they accepted,  they 
>waded in.
>
>It's completely clear, no matter how much you pretend.   The German 
>Government was thoroughly involved in the Spanish Civil War, on Franco's 
>side.
>
>You really aren't very good at this.   In fact you're embarassingly bad.
>
>Please consider education.

LOL

You're an airhead with nothing to say and no points to make.
My education would easily exceed anything you have to offer.
What a pompous jerk you are.


>
>HTH
>-pk
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>How, exactly, is that not participation?
>>>
>>>Perhaps you understand a lot less of this period than you pretend.
>>>
>>>
>>>-pk
>>> 


From ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca Fri Aug 22 11:15:38 EDT 2008
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From: Johannes von Ebersdorf 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Nazi's shoot Jews
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:24:35 -0700 (PDT), Michael
 wrote:

>On Jul 31, 7:59 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:49:38 -0700 (PDT), Michael
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Jul 30, 3:13 pm, "Truth Will Out" 
>> >wrote:
>> >> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in messagenews:77k094524d1ia5l87cib0gaf25c9oefals@4ax.com...
>>
>> >> > On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:37:57 +1000, "B. H. Cramer"
>> >> >  wrote:
>>
>> >> >>"Michael"  wrote in message
>> >> >>news:13dcee0e-c420-4abe-8d0f-66bff1ecac7e@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >>>http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/06qyfiTd177S8/610x.jpg
>>
>> >> >>You idiot Michael m'Dear.
>>
>> >> >>Russian uniforms, and Russian weapons.
>>
>> >> >>What a wanker you are.
>>
>> >> > Whoever these people were, they were definitely wearing Soviet
>> >> > uniforms. This is another photographic misrepresentation so typical of
>> >> > the holocaustT cult.
>>
>> >> I notice that Ragland has not commented on the discrepancy.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >They're German weapons and uniforms. the Germans had many uniforms.
>>
>> You can tell all that from this extremely grainy photograph? What make
>> were the weapons, and how can you tell from the photograph?
>>
>> Which German units had uniforms that looked exactly like Soviet
>> uniforms? When were these uniforms issued?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >Michael Ragland- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Looks like an Einsatzgruppen killing to me; maybe Nazi sympathizing
>partisans did it such as in Lithuania. Yes, the photo is grainy but
>not so grainy that there is a boatload of dead naked people and
>soldiers with guns.

That much I saw also, but you claim to have been able to identify the
weapons as "German". You didn't answer any of my questions, so I have
to conclude that you can't.

You are speculating wildly after having been called on the questions
of uniforms and weapons. Even the corpses look rather odd. The whole
"photograph" has the looks of a fabrication.

>
>Michael Ragland


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Subject: Re: Why would the Nazis limit Zyklon B to just Auschwitz?
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:00:14 -0700 (PDT), Michael
 wrote:

>On Jul 31, 10:50 am, ZULU  wrote:
>> Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>> > On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:37:06 -0700 (PDT), Michael
>> >  wrote:
>>
>> >>On Jul 30, 11:12 am, a-little-sanity,  please 
>> >>wrote:
>>
>> >>>In article ,
>> >>>B. H. Cramer  wrote:
>>
>> >>>>What death camps, Michael m'Dear?
>>
>> >>>The death camps which *you* wrote about,  you silly old thing:
>>
>> >>>In Message-ID:
>> >>> you wrote
>> >>>the following:
>>
>> >>>"Kurt Schlesinger walked the tightrope of a survivor. He was the
>> >>>type of person who left the impression that he possessed deplorable
>> >>>mentality.  After all, he was prepared to sacrifice the lives of over
>> >>>one hundred thousand fellow prisoners, sending them to certain death
>> >>>in the camps of Auschwitz/Birkenau and Sobibor in order to safe his
>> >>>own and that of some of the German alte Lagerinsassen".
>>
>> >>>If you deny the Holocaust,  can you explain why you believe
>> >>>that sending these people (over one hundred thousand of them)
>> >>>to Sobibor and Birkenau meant certain death for them?
>>
>> >>It is well known that at some point "Resettlement to the East" meant
>> >>extermination of European Jewry by Nazi Germany; all so-called plans
>> >>at deportation were not possible because of the war and most of
>> >>countries unwilling to accept European Jews. "Resettlement of the
>> >>Jews" became a euphemism" just like "special treatment". All you can
>> >>do is deny, deny, deny, deny, deny. You are completely useless in this
>> >>regard.
>>
>> > Why would Nazi officials bother with nebulous euphemisms for their
>> > intentions? They didn't do so for partisans and other irregulars, so
>> > why would they do this here? None of this documentation was ever
>> > intended to fall into allied hands. The Soviets meticulously told the
>> > truth in their archives, since if some enemy was reading the contents,
>> > then the regime must be history and secrecy would no longer be an
>> > issue.
>>
>> > I don't see anybody here denying anything. People just don't find your
>> > fables very convincing, and that is YOUR problem, not theirs.
>>
>> Why would they have communicated with *euphemisms* through their Enigma coding machine if
>> they thought the code was inviolable?
>>
>> The Brits intercepted all their secret communications with Enigma and decoded them.
>>
>> AND THEY HAD NOTHING ABOUT A SUPPOSED RUNNING *EXTERMINATION PLAN*.
>>
>> To resume, any secret document, any intercepted *ultra top secret* communication can
>> support that *plan*.
>>
>> THUS; That *extermination plan* must have been implemented by TELEPATHY,
>> that is the only explanation possible.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Nonsense. The British knew that European Jews were being exterminated
>just as President Franklin Roosevelt and certain people in the state
>department knew. 

Why did the principal participants, such as Churchill in his
six-volume memoirs, or DeGaulle, or Montgomery not mention the
holocaust™ with so much as a single sentence?



>The shitting Pope knew. It was not necessary to rely
>exclusively on enigma to obtain information and know that European
>Jews were being exterminated wholesale.
>
>Michael Ragland


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:19:54 -0700 (PDT), Michael
 wrote:

>On Jul 31, 8:58 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:53:28 +1000, "B. H. Cramer"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>> >"Eli Grubman"  wrote in message
>> >news:gfk294lcq72p59b8ilam9cujhkdma76ufh@4ax.com...
>> >> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:21:22 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >>>Re Gypsys. They are no differend than we are. There aregood an bad once in
>> >>>every race.
>> >>>Kurt Knoll.
>>
>> >> They certainly are different.  They're all thieves.  Just like jews.
>>
>> >> Eli
>>
>> >>>"Eli Grubman"  wrote in message
>> >>>news:b5h294lokgvmlikoa9rq5op3sindtlkt55@4ax.com...
>> >>>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:57:15 GMT, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>On 30-Jul-2008, hol...@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>> In article , "Truth
>> >>>>>> Will
>> >>>>>> Out"  wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>> > "Michael"  wrote in message
>> >>>>>> >news:2fd54c34-f3ef-4436-8d40-f20a72e408bd@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> >>>>>> 
>>
>> >>>>>> > >The Nazi's exterminated Roma and Sinti.
>>
>> >>>>>> > How did he manage that? They still exist.
>>
>> >>>>>> Do tell. My parents once had the termites in their front yard
>> >>>>>> exterminated. Needless to say, termites still exist.
>>
>> >>>>>> Most genocides in history have been partial. The Herero, Namaqua,
>> >>>>>> Tasmanians, Armenians, Jews, Roma, Sinti, Hutus, and Bosnian Muslims,
>> >>>>>> among others, have all been the objects of partially successful
>> >>>>>> genocides.
>>
>> >>>>>Proportionally speaking, they probably killed as many Roma as Jews.
>> >>>>>It's harder to get population figures on Roma, of course.
>>
>> >>>>>Susan
>>
>> >>>> "Roma"?  They're gypsy scum, you thick Irish cunt.
>>
>> >How does the song go again "Gypsies, tramps and jews" or something like that
>> >;-)
>>
>> Even in English, "gyped" or "jewed" is a synonym for defrauded. Where
>> there is smoke, there is probably some fire. There is a reason that
>> these terms came to be part of the English language.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Prejudice, stereotypes, and hatred of a particular culture(s) is not
>unique. It occurs in every society today; whether it be against
>Blacks, Hispanics, Jews, Asians, Gypsies etc. .The human brain is
>simple and it naturally seeks simplified distorted dumbed down answers
>to complex subjects. Even some of the so-called anti-revisionists on
>this NG resort to such behavior.
>
>Michael Ragland

Well Michael, the German word for Gypsy is Zigeuner, literally
"wandering swindler". Isn't it odd that British and German prejudices
match, even though the Saxons that reside in Britain left Germany
around AD600.


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Subject: Re: Clandestine photo of women being led to Auschwitz Gas Chamber.  Another fallacious label.
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:13:35 -0700 (PDT), Michael
 wrote:

>On Jul 31, 9:05 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:00:49 -0700 (PDT), Michael
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Jul 30, 4:43 pm, ZULU  wrote:
>> >> osugeography wrote:
>> >> > On Jul 29, 12:04 pm, Michael  wrote:
>>
>> >> >>On Jul 29, 9:07 am, Joe Bruno  wrote:
>>
>> >> >>>On Jul 29, 5:10 am, Michael  wrote:
>>
>> >> >>>>cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=69530&rendTypeId=4
>>
>> >> >>>>htttp://www.cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=69530&rendType=4
>>
>> >> >>>The website is busted, you idiot.
>>
>> >> >>It doesn't matter anyway; remember your comment about not being a
>> >> >>"revelation."
>> >> >>In other words for your benefit don't worry about it. I hope you and
>> >> >>Sam Suckland
>> >> >>just naturally fizzle away gradually over time,
>>
>> >> >>Michael Ragland
>>
>> >> > Hello Michael.
>>
>> >> > Try this link, which is working at the time I post this:
>> >> >http://original.britannica.com/eb/art-58227/Clandestine-photo-of-wome...
>>
>> >> LOL. Pressac shows that photo also.
>> >> According with the visible trees and the chimney of Krema IV or V on bottom left, that
>> >> photo seems to have been taken near Zentral Sauna and Kanada.
>>
>> >> Any savage SS guard to force them to go to any part. The group appears as peaceful.
>> >> The direction they take is NOT toward ANY Krema but likely to Zentral Sauna.
>> >> They can go there to take a shower while their effect would be treated.
>>
>> >> ON that plan, the group can be located on the left of the label "Canada", between the
>> >> perimeter fence and the main road.
>>
>> >>http://holocaust-info.dk/auschwitz/Auschwitz/map.jpghttp://www.global...Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >What is that over towering structure accopanying the "naked women".
>> >You people are so purposefully deluded and in denial but your
>> >instincts are fully aware of the Holocaust...that it occurred.
>>
>> Nonsense. The event that you try to float as the holocaust™ did not
>> occur. There is no doubt that Jews were persecuted by the Nazis, and
>> very few dispute that, but the total death toll would be under 0.5
>> million with no gassings.
>>
>> There are just too many loose ends in your story that make no sense.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >Michael Ragland- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>The "loose mental" ends are on your side. There is so much different
>types of documentary proof, much from Nazi Germany itself as well as
>elsewhere, that your assertion no more than 0.5 million died is
>absurd. So is your claim of no gassings. There were carbon monoxide
>gassings, Zyklon B gassings. And there was the mobile killing squads
>the Einsatzgruppen.

Your blizzard of allied paper proves very little, except that the
allies had the power to create the blizzard of paper and they did.
There isn't a single autopsy that gives Zyklon B as the cause of
death, and the allies autopsied thousands of corpses from the camps.

>
>Michael Ragland


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:17:07 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>"Daniel Bernard"  wrote in message 
>news:t7e394hih6g2rlvh8lq49ok88lanoqg94p@4ax.com...
>> Germany has replaced Christianity with a pernicious cult: "Holocaust
>> religion." In 1994, the parliament of the defunct "Bundesrepublik
>> Deutschland" (BRD) - the post re-unification Federal Republic of
>> Germany - treasonously mandated imposed Zionist legislation making it
>> a criminal offense to deny or even play down the so-called "Jewish
>> Holocaust."
>
>So, in short, you hate Germans.

That is a non sequitur.

>
>You believe that Germans do not have the mental abilities or the strength of 
>will to think for themselves.

They think extremely well for themselves, but their beliefs need to
remain in thought form. If they speak the thoughts, or write the
thoughts they will be imprisoned.

The old song from the 1820s still is true: "Die Gedanken sind frei",
but that is all that is free in Germany.

>
>Thanks for making that clear.
>
>
>>
>> Anyone in Germany who publicly denies the propagandistic narrative
>> upon which the terrorist state of Israel was established or questions
>> any one of the many anomalies extant in the doctrine of official
>> "history," faces a maximum penalty of five years in jail.
>
>This is also false.   If you believe it to be true, you will have to explain 
>why the functionalist vs.intentionalist debate ran for years, in Germany, 
>with none of the participants being censured in any way, let alone jailed.
>
>> Indeed, two German scholars, Ernst Zundel and Germar Rudolf
>
>
>You are lying.  Neither of these men are scholars.   Zundel is a 
>profiteering wannabe Nazi, who made millions from suckers like you, 
>pretending that the Holocaust didn't happen.
>
>Rudolph was canned from a plush job for misrepresenting his side activities 
>as being on behalf of the Planck institute.   Many of his papers are written 
>using pseudonyms so that he can cite *himself* and make it look like there 
>is support for his views.    It doesn't work.
>
>> were
>> illegally abducted from the United States
>
>That is just a flat-out lie.
>
>Both were, fully legally, ejected from the USA for breaking US immigration 
>laws, and their ejection has nothing to do with their beliefs or statements.
>
>It has everything to do with their demonstrated contempt for US law.
>
>There was nothing illegal, at all, about their ejection  from the USA. 
>Both men were in the USA illegally.
>
>Apparently, it is your position that the USA should not enforce its 
>immigration laws or protect its borders.
>
>
>> and imprisoned for
>
>Crimes as defined by the country they are citizens of,  which they committed 
>IN the country they are citizens of, and of which they were convicted.
>
>> presenting scientific evidence that a phenomenal hoax called the
>> "Jewish Holocaust" had taken place.
>
>Neither have presented any kind of worthwhile evidence.
>
>Hope this helps.
>-pk
>
>
> 


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:35:11 -0700 (PDT), Michael
 wrote:

>On Jul 31, 10:06 am, ZULU  wrote:
>> Michael wrote:
>>
>> > Considering how effective Zyklon B was at Auschwitz and how the
>> > freeing up of trucks and fuel for the war effort why didn't Nazi
>> > Germany use Zyklon B in other death camps? Why exlusively at
>> > Auschwitz?
>>
>> What a moron you are. WE have bills of lading which prove that the same quantities were
>> sent at Auschwitz and Oranienburg during a same period of time.
>>
>> 
>>
>> M. DUBOST: I thank you, A/fr. President. The Tribunal will certainly remember that this
>> morning Document Number 1553-PS was set aside, which includes in it bills for gas destined
>> for Oranienburg and Auschwitz. I believe that, after the explanation given by Sir David,
>> this Document 1553-PS may now be admitted by the Tribunal since it has already been certified.
>>
>> THE PRESIDENT: Was it read, M. Dubost?
>>
>> M. DUBOST: Yes, Mr. President. I was in the process of reading it this morning. It is the
>> 27th document in the second document book of this morning, but the Tribunal rejected it,
>> with the demand that I furnish an affidavit. The intervention of Sir David constitutes
>> this affidavit. I beg the Tribunal to forgive my making this request, but I should be
>> grateful if it would accept the document which was refused this morning.
>> .../
>>
>> THE PRESIDENT: M. Dubost, if you attach importance to it, would it not be possible for you
>> to give us the figures from these other bills of lading? I mean the amount of the gas.
>>
>> M. DUBOST: Certainly, Mr. President.
>>
>> THE PRESIDENT: Just in order that it may be upon the shorthand note.
>>
>> 363
>>
>> 30 Jan. 46
>>
>> M. DUBOST: 14 February 1944, gross weight 832 kilos, net weight 555 kilos (destination
>> Auschwitz); 16 February 1944, gross weight 832 kilos, net weight 555 kilos (destination
>> Oranienburg); 13 March 1944, gross weight 896 kilos, net weight 598 kilos (destination
>> Auschwitz); 13 March 1944, gross weight 896 kilos, net weight 598 kilos (destination
>> Oranienburg); 30 April 1944, gross weight 832 kilos, net weight 555 kilos (destination
>> Auschwitz); 30 April 1944, gross weight 832 kilos, net weight 555 kilos (destination
>> Oranienburg); 18 May 1944, gross weight 832 kilos, net weight 555 kilos (destination
>> Oranienburg); 31 May 1944, gross weight 832 kilos, net weight 555 kilos (destination
>> Auschwitz). This appears to me to be all.
>>
>> To Document 1553-PS is added the statement by Gerstein, and also the statement by the
>> chief of the American service who collected this document.
>>
>> 
>>
>> http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/proc/01-30-46.htm
>>
>> So, What do we have?
>>
>> -> To simplify I will only note the net weight of ZB pellets, the "murder agent".
>>
>> BOL Destination Auschwitz
>>
>> 14 February 1944: 555 kg
>> 13 March 1944: 598 kg
>> 30 April 1944: 555 kg
>> 31 May 1944: 555 kg
>>
>> Total BOL to Auschwitz:  2263 kg
>>
>> BOL Destination Oranienburg
>>
>> 16 February 1944: 555 kg
>> 13 March 1944:  598 kg
>> 30 April 1944:  555 kg
>> 18 May 1944:  555 kg
>>
>> Total BOL to Oranienburg:  2263 kg
>>
>> We observe that amazingly the orders for Zyclon B B are the same at both camps.
>
>
>
>From your link Zulu:
>
>M. DUBOST: I will request my colleagues of the American Prosecution to
>furnish this affidavit. I did not think it possible that this
>document, which was classified in their archives, could be ruled out.
>
>This purpose of extermination, moreover, does not need to be proved by
>this document. It is sufficiently established by the testimony which
>we have submitted to the Tribunal. The witness, Boix, spoke these
>words: "No one is allowed to leave this camp alive.... There is only
>one exit, -and that is the chimney of the crematorium."

More paper and mindless babble that apparently trumps physical science
in the very shallow mind of Michael R.


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:47:19 -0700 (PDT), Michael
 wrote:

>
>"Vergasungsapparate" - "Gassing Devices"

Vergasungsapparat would be properly translated as a "vaporization
device", something that changes solids/liquids into vapours (gasses).
Your is a tendentious translation. "Ein Vergaser" is a carburetor and
its job is to change liquid gasoline into gasoline vapour for an
engine. There is nothing sinister about the term.

This sort of thing is typical of allied "translations". Allied
translations are just another form of propaganda.









>Viktor Brack was a civil servant in the "euthanasia" program who had
>served in 1930 and 1931 as Heinrich Himmler's driver. In 1934 he was
>appointed the head of Central Office II of the Chancellery of the
>Führer, where he oversaw the murder by gas of thousands of mentally
>and physically handicapped victims. The jurisdiction of the Central
>Office II was "State and Party Affairs," under which Brack created a
>bureaucracy for the "euthanasia" to be imposed on Germany's
>undesirable citizens. Together with his deputy, he oversaw many of the
>details of the T4 program. [1]
>
>The extermination effort would soon spread to the concentration
>camps:
>
>In April 1941, by order of Himmler and under the code name "14 f 13,"
>132 the "euthanasia" of prisoners - the "special treatment of sick or
>infirm prisoners" - began. 133 [2]
>
>In 1942, Brack would head to the front as a major in the Waffen SS,
>leaving T4 behind.
>
>But while in mid-1941 the "science" of murder by gas had been well-
>nigh perfected by the operatives in the euthanasia program, these
>lessons had not been learned by the different bureaucracies
>responsible for overseeing the extermination of the Jews. "On July 17,
>1941, seven hundred Jewish hostages from Vilna were shot at the train
>station in Ponary (Punar)." [3] Such displays were obviously
>undesirable.
>
>The document below describes Brack as a man who can help put a stop to
>bloody, very public executions such as that in Vilna.
>
>Hinrich Lohse was the Reich Commissar for the East - for the combined
>Baltic States and Russia. In 1941 he moved into his offices in Kovno,
>and then Riga. "With his ludicrous walrus-like appearance the former
>Gauleiter of Schleswig-Holstein looked like a small-town party boss
>and acted the part." [4]
>
>In Kovno, on July 29, two weeks after the massacre in the train
>station, Lohse took a firm stand against the Jews, telling his men
>"that the [Jewish] ghettoes would receive only as much food as the
>rest of the population could do without...." [5]
>
>More drastic steps were to follow. On October 4, 1941, Lohse sent a
>letter from Riga to court judge and Adviser on Jewish Affairs Dr.
>Erhard Wetzel, "re: the solution of the Jewish question."
>
>Three weeks later, on October 25, Wetzel replied to Lohse - and now we
>have come to the document which is reproduced below. In this reply,
>Wetzel noted that Brack had agreed to set up the "gassing devices" -
>probably gas vans which killed using poisonous engine exhaust - and
>that this would help put a stop to the unfortunate public displays.
>[6]
>
>This letter, marked Secret, is thus one of the important links in the
>chain leading directly from the murder by gas of mentally and
>physically handicapped German citizens to the murder by gas of Jews
>behind the Eastern Front. It is especially valuable because, unlike
>most communications regarding the Final Solution, it refers to gassing
>using that word, rather than a euphemism.
>
>
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Translation:
>
>Draft
>
>The Reich Ministry
>for the Occupied Eastern Territories
>  Berlin, October 25, 1941
>
>
>Expert AGR Dr. Wetzel
>
>Secret!
>
>Re: Solution of the Jewish Question
>
>1. To the Reich Commissar for the East
>
>Re: Your report of October 4, 1941 in respect to the Solution of the
>Jewish Question
>
>With reference to my letter of October 18, 1941, this is to inform you
>that Oberdienstleiter Brack of the Führer Chancellery has agreed to
>collaborate in the production of the required shelters and gassing
>devices. At this time, the envisaged devices are not available in
>sufficient quantity; they will first have to be manufactured. Since in
>Brack's opinion, the manufacture of the devices in the Reich will
>cause much greater difficulties than doing it on the spot, Brack
>considers it most expedient to send his people to Riga, especially his
>chemist Dr. Kallmeyer, who will effect all further steps there.
>Oberdienstleiter Brack points out that the procedure in question is
>not without danger, so that special protective measures are necessary.
>In these circumstances, I request that you address yourself to
>Oberdienstleiter Brack in the Führer Chancellery through your Higher
>SS and Police Leader and request the dispatch of the chemist Kallmeyer
>and other assistants. I should inform you that Sturmbannführer
>Eichmann, the expert for the Jewish Question in the RSHA is entirely
>in agreement with this process. According to information from
>Sturmbannführer Eichmann, camps for Jews are to be set up in Riga and
>Minsk, to which Jews from the Old Reich territory may also come. At
>this time, Jews are being evacuated out of the Old Reich to
>Litzmannstadt (Lodz), and also other camps, to then later be used for
>labour in the east insofar as they are capable of work.
>
>As things now are, there are no objections if the Jews who are not
>capable of work, are eliminated with the Brackian remedy. In this way,
>events such as those that, according to a report in front of me, took
>place on the occasion of the shootings of the Jews in Vilna, and
>which, considering that the shootings were carried out in public, can
>hardly be excused, will no longer be possible. On the other hand,
>those capable of work will be transported for labour in the east. It
>goes without saying that the male and female Jews capable of work will
>be kept apart.
>
>I request a report on your further measures.
>
>Transcription:
>
>Entwurf
>
>Der Reichsminister
>für die besetzten Ostgebiete
>  Berlin, den 25. Oktober 1941.
>
>
>Sachbearbeiter AGR Dr. Wetzel
>
>Geheim!
>
>Betr.: Lösung der Judenfrage.
>
>1. An den Reichskommissar für den Ostland
>
>Betr.: Ihren Bericht vom 4.10.1941 bezüglich Lösung der Judenfrage
>
>Unter Bezugnahme auf mein Schreiben vom 18.Okt. 1941 teile ich Ihnen
>mit, daß sich Oberdienstleiter Brack von der Kanzlei des Führers
>bereit erklärt hat, bei der Herstellung der erforderlichen Unterkünfte
>sowie der Vergasungsapparate mitzuwirken. Zur Zeit sind die in
>Betracht kommenden Apparate in genügender Anzahl nicht vorhanden, sie
>müssen erst hergestellt werden. Da nach Aufassung Bracks die
>Herstellung der Apparate im Reich viel größere Schwierigkeiten
>bereitet als am Ort und Stelle, hält es Brack für am zweckmäßigsten,
>wenn er umgehend seine Leute, insbesondere sein Chemiker Dr. Kallmayer
>nach Riga sendet, der dort alles weitere veranlassen wird.
>Oberdienstleiter Brack weist darauf hin, daß das in Betracht kommende
>Verfahren nicht ungefährlich ist, so daß insbesondere Schutzmaßnahmen
>erforderlich seien. Unter diesen Umständen bitte ich Sie, sich über
>Ihren Höheren SS- und Polizeiführer an Oberdienstleiter Brack in der
>Kanzlei des Führers zu wenden und um die Entsendung des Chemikers
>Kallmeyer sowie weitere Hilfskräfte zu bitten. Ich darf darauf
>hinweisen, daß Sturmbannführer Eichmann, der Sachbearbeiter für
>Judenfragen im RSHA durchaus mit diesem Verfahren einverstanden ist.
>Nach Mitteilung von Sturmbannführer Eichmann sollen in Riga und in
>Minsk Lager für Juden geschaffen werden, in die evtl. auch Juden aus
>dem Altreichgebeit kommen. Es werden zur Zeit aus dem Altreich Juden
>evakuiert, die nach Litzmannstadt, aber auch nach anderen Lagern
>kommen sollen, um dann später im Osten, soweit arbeitsfähig, in
>Arbeiteinsatz zu kommen.
>
>Nach Sachlage bestehen keine Bedanken, wenn diejenigen Juden, die
>nicht arbeitsfähig sind, mit den Brackschen Hilfsmitteln beseitigt
>werden. Auf diese Weise dürften dann auch die Vorgänge, wie sie sich
>bei den Erschießungen der Juden in Wilna nach einem mir vorliegenden
>Bericht ergeben haben, und die auch im Hinblick darauf, daß die
>Erschießungen öffentlich vorgenommen wurden, kaum gebilligt werden
>können, nicht mehr möglich sein. Die Arbeitsfähigen dagegen werden zum
>Arbeitseinsatz nach Osten abtransportiert. Daß bei den arbeitsfähigen
>Juden Männer und Frauen getrennt zu halten sind, dürfte
>selbstverständlich sein.
>
>Über Ihre weiteren maßnahmen erbitte ich Bericht.
>
>
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>Source: provided to Prof. John Zimmerman by the U.S. National
>Archives, Washington, D.C.
>
>The translation above is by Holocaust History Project volunteer Gord
>McFee. The U.S. Chief of Counsel translation is included; the
>interested reader is invited to compare them.
>
>This document is cited in the essay How Reliable are the Hoess
>Memoirs?
>
>The Holocaust-denier "Samuel Crowell" has published his
>misinterpretation of this document; we have analyzed his errors.
>
>
>
>Notes
>1. Friedlander, Henry, The Origins of Nazi Genocide: From Euthanasia
>to Final Solution, 1995, pp. 40ff, 68ff. See also pp. 86ff, 198ff.
>
>2. Kogon, Eugen, Germann Langbein, and Adalbert Rückerl, Nazi Mass
>Murder: A Documentary History of the Use of Poison Gas, 1993, p. 40.
>See also p. 24. Footnotes:
>
>132. Generalstaatsanwaltschaft Frankfurt a/Main AZ: Ks 1/69, judgment
>of 27 May 1970 (Zentralstelle der Landesjustizverwaltungen (ZSL),
>Ludwigsburg, collection 435, p. 50).
>
>133. Staatsanwaltschaft Wiedbaden AZ: 3 Js 46/61, indictment, p. 63
>(ZSL: archive number: 419 AR 381/60).
>
>3. Gerald Reitlinger, The Final Solution, 3rd ed., 1971, p. 228, as
>cited by Gerald Fleming, Hitler and the Final Solution, 1984, p. 71n.
>Ponary is just a few miles southwest of Vilna.
>
>4. Gerald Reitlinger, The Final Solution, 1st ed., 1953, p. 202.
>
>5. Ibid.
>
>6. Fleming, op. cit., p. 70.
>
>
>    Last modified: February 20, 1999
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:23:44 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> We saw what formerly healthy relatives looked like after they came
>> home from the American camps.
>
>So eyewitness testimony counts as evidence?  Yes or no?

It isn't quite the same when you nurse somebody back to health over a
period of many months or even years. It is quite different than some
so-called holocaust witness who sees a young man of 20 from a range of
500 metres for a period of three seconds and then 60 years later
claims in a court that the guy of 80 is the same twenty-year-old who
served as a camp guard.

There were many times when I met former students at a shopping mall
only ten years after a whole year of daily interactions and failed to
recognize them because their appearance had changed so significantly.
Many others of my acquaintance had similar experiences, but holocaust
witnesses are unique in being able to finger people they met only
briefly six decades earlier.


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:45:18 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
wrote:

>Patrick Keenan is a standard holocaust issue. Is it not amazing how they are 
>trying and selling and forcing others to accept as their part of histories. 
>Why is it the why the victimize anyone who dares to question their 
>holocaust. There is no other version I histories where there force others to 
>only believe in their version.
>Kurt Knoll.

That is what I find a bit of a mystery. I don't give a flying shit
about Keenan's beliefs, and yet he seems to be obsessed with the fact
that he is unable to convince me of the validity of his fables. Why
should he care about my beliefs or lack of them?

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:je7494d49hn421jafq7nho4ma76k9bvbkf@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:00:04 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>news:nbi3945kk5j1hnv9gesai0vst2phtklmh4@4ax.com...
>>>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:40:10 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>>news:l83u84psddiv2pum0nchf7d8qmvognl7r9@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:24:03 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:oocjk.140790$gc5.107787@pd7urf2no...
>>>>>>>> So you say where is your proof. No fabrications please.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Please try to learn to read, Kurt.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> lying is your domain and not ours.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Excuse me, but aren't you the one who just claimed that I think all
>>>>>>>Germans
>>>>>>>are war criminals, and aren't you the one promoting the Bacque
>>>>>>>fabrications?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bacque is a Canadian, and he has zero reason to fabricate anything.
>>>>>
>>>>>He may be and you may think that, but the fact remains that his data are
>>>>>wrong and his conclusions based on false data.
>>>>>
>>>>>His errors have been well-documented and have been brought to his
>>>>>attention.
>>>>
>>>> His figures ring true to me,
>>>
>>>Then you should actually check them.
>>
>> We saw what formerly healthy relatives looked like after they came
>> home from the American camps. I just won't buy into any airheaded
>> lectures from you. You don't know what you're babbling about.
>>
>>>
>>>-pk 
>


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:27:36 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> You're an airhead with nothing to say and no points to make.
>> My education would easily exceed anything you have to offer.
>
>Did you find out who Veesenmayer was,  oh educated one?

The name looks Dutch. Should I know who this is? 


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Subject: Re: Nazi's shoot Jews
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:44:15 -0700 (PDT), Michael
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>On Jul 31, 1:28 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:24:35 -0700 (PDT), Michael
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Jul 31, 7:59 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>> >wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:49:38 -0700 (PDT), Michael
>>
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> >On Jul 30, 3:13 pm, "Truth Will Out" 
>> >> >wrote:
>> >> >> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in messagenews:77k094524d1ia5l87cib0gaf25c9oefals@4ax.com...
>>
>> >> >> > On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:37:57 +1000, "B. H. Cramer"
>> >> >> >  wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >>"Michael"  wrote in message
>> >> >> >>news:13dcee0e-c420-4abe-8d0f-66bff1ecac7e@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >> >>>http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/06qyfiTd177S8/610x.jpg
>>
>> >> >> >>You idiot Michael m'Dear.
>>
>> >> >> >>Russian uniforms, and Russian weapons.
>>
>> >> >> >>What a wanker you are.
>>
>> >> >> > Whoever these people were, they were definitely wearing Soviet
>> >> >> > uniforms. This is another photographic misrepresentation so typical of
>> >> >> > the holocaustT cult.
>>
>> >> >> I notice that Ragland has not commented on the discrepancy.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >> >They're German weapons and uniforms. the Germans had many uniforms.
>>
>> >> You can tell all that from this extremely grainy photograph? What make
>> >> were the weapons, and how can you tell from the photograph?
>>
>> >> Which German units had uniforms that looked exactly like Soviet
>> >> uniforms? When were these uniforms issued?
>>
>> >> >Michael Ragland- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >Looks like an Einsatzgruppen killing to me; maybe Nazi sympathizing
>> >partisans did it such as in Lithuania. Yes, the photo is grainy but
>> >not so grainy that there is a boatload of dead naked people and
>> >soldiers with guns.
>>
>> That much I saw also, but you claim to have been able to identify the
>> weapons as "German". You didn't answer any of my questions, so I have
>> to conclude that you can't.
>>
>> You are speculating wildly after having been called on the questions
>> of uniforms and weapons. Even the corpses look rather odd. The whole
>> "photograph" has the looks of a fabrication.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> >Michael Ragland- Hide quoted text -
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>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
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>Hardly. Again, a photogragh, even the best, is an interpretation of
>reality and not reality itself. I know. I took photograghy and that is
>one of the first things you learn. Doesn't mean necessarily its a
>fabrication. The photo is not a microscope here. No telling make or
>serial number. The uniforms look just like military uniforms. However,
>considering the "setting" it looks like an Einsatzgruppen photo.

What you're saying is that ANY group with weapons next to a pile of
corpses must be Einsatzgruppen. You are clearly obsessed with this
topic. The physical evidence is irrelevant and your preconceived
notions trump everything. I've had this conversation already with a
bunch of brain-dead creationists. Reality and physical evidence mean
little to them either. For them, the scriptures trump reality and for
you your dogma trumps reality.

>
>Michael Ragland


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From: Johannes von Ebersdorf 
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Subject: Re: Why would the Nazis limit Zyklon B to just Auschwitz?
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:38:53 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> Why did the principal participants, such as Churchill in his
>> six-volume memoirs, or DeGaulle, or Montgomery not mention the
>> holocaust™ with so much as a single sentence?
>
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/genocide/churchill_holocaust_03.shtml
>
>Reading in July 1944 the first detailed account of Auschwitz,
>Churchill wrote:
>
>    'There is no doubt this is the most horrible crime ever committed
>in the whole history of the world, and it has been done by scientific
>machinery by nominally civilised men in the name of a great State and
>one of the leading races of Europe. It is quite clear that all
>concerned in this crime who may fall into our hands, including the
>people who only obeyed orders by carrying out the butcheries, should
>be put to death after their association with the murders has been
>proved.'
>
>   

The first mention of Auschwitz was postwar. Where did Churchill
allegedly write this? This paragraph did not appear in his memoirs.


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Subject: Re: Clandestine photo of women being led to Auschwitz Gas Chamber.  Another fallacious label.
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:46:07 -0700 (PDT), Michael
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>On Jul 31, 1:40 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:13:35 -0700 (PDT), Michael
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Jul 31, 9:05 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>> >wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:00:49 -0700 (PDT), Michael
>>
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> >On Jul 30, 4:43 pm, ZULU  wrote:
>> >> >> osugeography wrote:
>> >> >> > On Jul 29, 12:04 pm, Michael  wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >>On Jul 29, 9:07 am, Joe Bruno  wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >>>On Jul 29, 5:10 am, Michael  wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >>>>cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=69530&rendTypeId=4
>>
>> >> >> >>>>htttp://www.cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=69530&rendType=4
>>
>> >> >> >>>The website is busted, you idiot.
>>
>> >> >> >>It doesn't matter anyway; remember your comment about not being a
>> >> >> >>"revelation."
>> >> >> >>In other words for your benefit don't worry about it. I hope you and
>> >> >> >>Sam Suckland
>> >> >> >>just naturally fizzle away gradually over time,
>>
>> >> >> >>Michael Ragland
>>
>> >> >> > Hello Michael.
>>
>> >> >> > Try this link, which is working at the time I post this:
>> >> >> >http://original.britannica.com/eb/art-58227/Clandestine-photo-of-wome...
>>
>> >> >> LOL. Pressac shows that photo also.
>> >> >> According with the visible trees and the chimney of Krema IV or V on bottom left, that
>> >> >> photo seems to have been taken near Zentral Sauna and Kanada.
>>
>> >> >> Any savage SS guard to force them to go to any part. The group appears as peaceful.
>> >> >> The direction they take is NOT toward ANY Krema but likely to Zentral Sauna.
>> >> >> They can go there to take a shower while their effect would be treated.
>>
>> >> >> ON that plan, the group can be located on the left of the label "Canada", between the
>> >> >> perimeter fence and the main road.
>>
>> >> >>http://holocaust-info.dk/auschwitz/Auschwitz/map.jpghttp://www.global...quoted text -
>>
>> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >> >What is that over towering structure accopanying the "naked women".
>> >> >You people are so purposefully deluded and in denial but your
>> >> >instincts are fully aware of the Holocaust...that it occurred.
>>
>> >> Nonsense. The event that you try to float as the holocaust™ did not
>> >> occur. There is no doubt that Jews were persecuted by the Nazis, and
>> >> very few dispute that, but the total death toll would be under 0.5
>> >> million with no gassings.
>>
>> >> There are just too many loose ends in your story that make no sense.
>>
>> >> >Michael Ragland- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >The "loose mental" ends are on your side. There is so much different
>> >types of documentary proof, much from Nazi Germany itself as well as
>> >elsewhere, that your assertion no more than 0.5 million died is
>> >absurd. So is your claim of no gassings. There were carbon monoxide
>> >gassings, Zyklon B gassings. And there was the mobile killing squads
>> >the Einsatzgruppen.
>>
>> Your blizzard of allied paper proves very little, except that the
>> allies had the power to create the blizzard of paper and they did.
>> There isn't a single autopsy that gives Zyklon B as the cause of
>> death, and the allies autopsied thousands of corpses from the camps.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >Michael Ragland- Hide quoted text -
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>
>There weren't autopsied moron; the German know what they died from and
>they were to be incinerated as quickly as possible to prepare for the
>next batch coming in.

The Americans autopsied thousands of corpses that were apparently not
burned. Not a single case of poisoning was found.

>
>Michael Ragland


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Subject: Re: Why would the Nazis limit Zyklon B to just Auschwitz? Oranienburg  received the same quantities.
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:51:26 -0700 (PDT), Michael
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>On Jul 31, 1:46 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:35:11 -0700 (PDT), Michael
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Jul 31, 10:06 am, ZULU  wrote:
>> >> Michael wrote:
>>
>> >> > Considering how effective Zyklon B was at Auschwitz and how the
>> >> > freeing up of trucks and fuel for the war effort why didn't Nazi
>> >> > Germany use Zyklon B in other death camps? Why exlusively at
>> >> > Auschwitz?
>>
>> >> What a moron you are. WE have bills of lading which prove that the same quantities were
>> >> sent at Auschwitz and Oranienburg during a same period of time.
>>
>> >> 
>>
>> >> M. DUBOST: I thank you, A/fr. President. The Tribunal will certainly remember that this
>> >> morning Document Number 1553-PS was set aside, which includes in it bills for gas destined
>> >> for Oranienburg and Auschwitz. I believe that, after the explanation given by Sir David,
>> >> this Document 1553-PS may now be admitted by the Tribunal since it has already been certified.
>>
>> >> THE PRESIDENT: Was it read, M. Dubost?
>>
>> >> M. DUBOST: Yes, Mr. President. I was in the process of reading it this morning. It is the
>> >> 27th document in the second document book of this morning, but the Tribunal rejected it,
>> >> with the demand that I furnish an affidavit. The intervention of Sir David constitutes
>> >> this affidavit. I beg the Tribunal to forgive my making this request, but I should be
>> >> grateful if it would accept the document which was refused this morning.
>> >> .../
>>
>> >> THE PRESIDENT: M. Dubost, if you attach importance to it, would it not be possible for you
>> >> to give us the figures from these other bills of lading? I mean the amount of the gas.
>>
>> >> M. DUBOST: Certainly, Mr. President.
>>
>> >> THE PRESIDENT: Just in order that it may be upon the shorthand note.
>>
>> >> 363
>>
>> >> 30 Jan. 46
>>
>> >> M. DUBOST: 14 February 1944, gross weight 832 kilos, net weight 555 kilos (destination
>> >> Auschwitz); 16 February 1944, gross weight 832 kilos, net weight 555 kilos (destination
>> >> Oranienburg); 13 March 1944, gross weight 896 kilos, net weight 598 kilos (destination
>> >> Auschwitz); 13 March 1944, gross weight 896 kilos, net weight 598 kilos (destination
>> >> Oranienburg); 30 April 1944, gross weight 832 kilos, net weight 555 kilos (destination
>> >> Auschwitz); 30 April 1944, gross weight 832 kilos, net weight 555 kilos (destination
>> >> Oranienburg); 18 May 1944, gross weight 832 kilos, net weight 555 kilos (destination
>> >> Oranienburg); 31 May 1944, gross weight 832 kilos, net weight 555 kilos (destination
>> >> Auschwitz). This appears to me to be all.
>>
>> >> To Document 1553-PS is added the statement by Gerstein, and also the statement by the
>> >> chief of the American service who collected this document.
>>
>> >> 
>>
>> >>http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/proc/01-30-46.htm
>>
>> >> So, What do we have?
>>
>> >> -> To simplify I will only note the net weight of ZB pellets, the "murder agent".
>>
>> >> BOL Destination Auschwitz
>>
>> >> 14 February 1944: 555 kg
>> >> 13 March 1944: 598 kg
>> >> 30 April 1944: 555 kg
>> >> 31 May 1944: 555 kg
>>
>> >> Total BOL to Auschwitz:  2263 kg
>>
>> >> BOL Destination Oranienburg
>>
>> >> 16 February 1944: 555 kg
>> >> 13 March 1944:  598 kg
>> >> 30 April 1944:  555 kg
>> >> 18 May 1944:  555 kg
>>
>> >> Total BOL to Oranienburg:  2263 kg
>>
>> >> We observe that amazingly the orders for Zyclon B B are the same at both camps.
>>
>> >From your link Zulu:
>>
>> >M. DUBOST: I will request my colleagues of the American Prosecution to
>> >furnish this affidavit. I did not think it possible that this
>> >document, which was classified in their archives, could be ruled out.
>>
>> >This purpose of extermination, moreover, does not need to be proved by
>> >this document. It is sufficiently established by the testimony which
>> >we have submitted to the Tribunal. The witness, Boix, spoke these
>> >words: "No one is allowed to leave this camp alive.... There is only
>> >one exit, -and that is the chimney of the crematorium."
>>
>> More paper and mindless babble that apparently trumps physical science
>> in the very shallow mind of Michael R.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Just quoting Dubost. Does he have a shallow mind?

I don't know the person but his statements are nonsense.

>
>Michael Ragland


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:58:11 -0700 (PDT), Michael
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>On Jul 31, 1:52 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:47:19 -0700 (PDT), Michael
>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>> >"Vergasungsapparate" - "Gassing Devices"
>>
>> Vergasungsapparat would be properly translated as a "vaporization
>> device", something that changes solids/liquids into vapours (gasses).
>> Your is a tendentious translation. "Ein Vergaser" is a carburetor and
>> its job is to change liquid gasoline into gasoline vapour for an
>> engine. There is nothing sinister about the term.
>>
>> This sort of thing is typical of allied "translations". Allied
>> translations are just another form of propaganda.
>>
>>
>>
>> >Viktor Brack was a civil servant in the "euthanasia" program who had
>> >served in 1930 and 1931 as Heinrich Himmler's driver. In 1934 he was
>> >appointed the head of Central Office II of the Chancellery of the
>> >Führer, where he oversaw the murder by gas of thousands of mentally
>> >and physically handicapped victims. The jurisdiction of the Central
>> >Office II was "State and Party Affairs," under which Brack created a
>> >bureaucracy for the "euthanasia" to be imposed on Germany's
>> >undesirable citizens. Together with his deputy, he oversaw many of the
>> >details of the T4 program. [1]
>>
>> >The extermination effort would soon spread to the concentration
>> >camps:
>>
>> >In April 1941, by order of Himmler and under the code name "14 f 13,"
>> >132 the "euthanasia" of prisoners - the "special treatment of sick or
>> >infirm prisoners" - began. 133 [2]
>>
>> >In 1942, Brack would head to the front as a major in the Waffen SS,
>> >leaving T4 behind.
>>
>> >But while in mid-1941 the "science" of murder by gas had been well-
>> >nigh perfected by the operatives in the euthanasia program, these
>> >lessons had not been learned by the different bureaucracies
>> >responsible for overseeing the extermination of the Jews. "On July 17,
>> >1941, seven hundred Jewish hostages from Vilna were shot at the train
>> >station in Ponary (Punar)." [3] Such displays were obviously
>> >undesirable.
>>
>> >The document below describes Brack as a man who can help put a stop to
>> >bloody, very public executions such as that in Vilna.
>>
>> >Hinrich Lohse was the Reich Commissar for the East - for the combined
>> >Baltic States and Russia. In 1941 he moved into his offices in Kovno,
>> >and then Riga. "With his ludicrous walrus-like appearance the former
>> >Gauleiter of Schleswig-Holstein looked like a small-town party boss
>> >and acted the part." [4]
>>
>> >In Kovno, on July 29, two weeks after the massacre in the train
>> >station, Lohse took a firm stand against the Jews, telling his men
>> >"that the [Jewish] ghettoes would receive only as much food as the
>> >rest of the population could do without...." [5]
>>
>> >More drastic steps were to follow. On October 4, 1941, Lohse sent a
>> >letter from Riga to court judge and Adviser on Jewish Affairs Dr.
>> >Erhard Wetzel, "re: the solution of the Jewish question."
>>
>> >Three weeks later, on October 25, Wetzel replied to Lohse - and now we
>> >have come to the document which is reproduced below. In this reply,
>> >Wetzel noted that Brack had agreed to set up the "gassing devices" -
>> >probably gas vans which killed using poisonous engine exhaust - and
>> >that this would help put a stop to the unfortunate public displays.
>> >[6]
>>
>> >This letter, marked Secret, is thus one of the important links in the
>> >chain leading directly from the murder by gas of mentally and
>> >physically handicapped German citizens to the murder by gas of Jews
>> >behind the Eastern Front. It is especially valuable because, unlike
>> >most communications regarding the Final Solution, it refers to gassing
>> >using that word, rather than a euphemism.
>>
>> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------­------
>>
>> >Translation:
>>
>> >Draft
>>
>> >The Reich Ministry
>> >for the Occupied Eastern Territories
>> >  Berlin, October 25, 1941
>>
>> >Expert AGR Dr. Wetzel
>>
>> >Secret!
>>
>> >Re: Solution of the Jewish Question
>>
>> >1. To the Reich Commissar for the East
>>
>> >Re: Your report of October 4, 1941 in respect to the Solution of the
>> >Jewish Question
>>
>> >With reference to my letter of October 18, 1941, this is to inform you
>> >that Oberdienstleiter Brack of the Führer Chancellery has agreed to
>> >collaborate in the production of the required shelters and gassing
>> >devices. At this time, the envisaged devices are not available in
>> >sufficient quantity; they will first have to be manufactured. Since in
>> >Brack's opinion, the manufacture of the devices in the Reich will
>> >cause much greater difficulties than doing it on the spot, Brack
>> >considers it most expedient to send his people to Riga, especially his
>> >chemist Dr. Kallmeyer, who will effect all further steps there.
>> >Oberdienstleiter Brack points out that the procedure in question is
>> >not without danger, so that special protective measures are necessary.
>> >In these circumstances, I request that you address yourself to
>> >Oberdienstleiter Brack in the Führer Chancellery through your Higher
>> >SS and Police Leader and request the dispatch of the chemist Kallmeyer
>> >and other assistants. I should inform you that Sturmbannführer
>> >Eichmann, the expert for the Jewish Question in the RSHA is entirely
>> >in agreement with this process. According to information from
>> >Sturmbannführer Eichmann, camps for Jews are to be set up in Riga and
>> >Minsk, to which Jews from the Old Reich territory may also come. At
>> >this time, Jews are being evacuated out of the Old Reich to
>> >Litzmannstadt (Lodz), and also other camps, to then later be used for
>> >labour in the east insofar as they are capable of work.
>>
>> >As things now are, there are no objections if the Jews who are not
>> >capable of work, are eliminated with the Brackian remedy. In this way,
>> >events such as those that, according to a report in front of me, took
>> >place on the occasion of the shootings of the Jews in Vilna, and
>> >which, considering that the shootings were carried out in public, can
>> >hardly be excused, will no longer be possible. On the other hand,
>> >those capable of work will be transported for labour in the east. It
>> >goes without saying that the male and female Jews capable of work will
>> >be kept apart.
>>
>> >I request a report on your further measures.
>>
>> >Transcription:
>>
>> >Entwurf
>>
>> >Der Reichsminister
>> >für die besetzten Ostgebiete
>> >  Berlin, den 25. Oktober 1941.
>>
>> >Sachbearbeiter AGR Dr. Wetzel
>>
>> >Geheim!
>>
>> >Betr.: Lösung der Judenfrage.
>>
>> >1. An den Reichskommissar für den Ostland
>>
>> >Betr.: Ihren Bericht vom 4.10.1941 bezüglich Lösung der Judenfrage
>>
>> >Unter Bezugnahme auf mein Schreiben vom 18.Okt. 1941 teile ich Ihnen
>> >mit, daß sich Oberdienstleiter Brack von der Kanzlei des Führers
>> >bereit erklärt hat, bei der Herstellung der erforderlichen Unterkünfte
>> >sowie der Vergasungsapparate mitzuwirken. Zur Zeit sind die in
>> >Betracht kommenden Apparate in genügender Anzahl nicht vorhanden, sie
>> >müssen erst hergestellt werden. Da nach Aufassung Bracks die
>> >Herstellung der Apparate im Reich viel größere Schwierigkeiten
>> >bereitet als am Ort und Stelle, hält es Brack für am zweckmäßigsten,
>> >wenn er umgehend seine Leute, insbesondere sein Chemiker Dr. Kallmayer
>> >nach Riga sendet, der dort alles weitere veranlassen wird.
>> >Oberdienstleiter Brack weist darauf hin, daß das in Betracht kommende
>> >Verfahren nicht ungefährlich ist, so daß insbesondere Schutzmaßnahmen
>> >erforderlich seien. Unter diesen Umständen bitte ich Sie, sich über
>> >Ihren Höheren SS- und Polizeiführer an Oberdienstleiter Brack in der
>> >Kanzlei des Führers zu wenden und um die Entsendung des Chemikers
>> >Kallmeyer sowie weitere Hilfskräfte zu bitten. Ich darf darauf
>> >hinweisen, daß Sturmbannführer Eichmann, der Sachbearbeiter für
>> >Judenfragen im RSHA durchaus mit diesem Verfahren einverstanden ist.
>> >Nach Mitteilung von Sturmbannführer Eichmann sollen in Riga und in
>> >Minsk Lager für Juden geschaffen werden, in die evtl. auch Juden aus
>> >dem Altreichgebeit kommen. Es werden zur Zeit aus dem Altreich Juden
>> >evakuiert, die nach Litzmannstadt, aber auch nach anderen Lagern
>> >kommen sollen, um dann später im Osten, soweit arbeitsfähig, in
>> >Arbeiteinsatz zu kommen.
>>
>> >Nach Sachlage bestehen keine Bedanken, wenn diejenigen Juden, die
>> >nicht arbeitsfähig sind, mit den Brackschen Hilfsmitteln beseitigt
>> >werden. Auf diese Weise dürften dann auch die Vorgänge, wie sie sich
>> >bei den Erschießungen der Juden in Wilna nach einem mir vorliegenden
>> >Bericht ergeben haben, und die auch im Hinblick darauf, daß die
>> >Erschießungen öffentlich vorgenommen wurden, kaum gebilligt werden
>> >können, nicht mehr möglich sein. Die Arbeitsfähigen dagegen werden zum
>> >Arbeitseinsatz nach Osten abtransportiert. Daß bei den arbeitsfähigen
>> >Juden Männer und Frauen getrennt zu halten sind, dürfte
>> >selbstverständlich sein.
>>
>> >Über Ihre weiteren maßnahmen erbitte ich Bericht.
>>
>> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------­------
>>
>> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------­------
>>
>> >Source: provided to Prof. John Zimmerman by the U.S. National
>> >Archives, Washington, D.C.
>>
>> >The translation above is by Holocaust History Project volunteer Gord
>> >McFee. The U.S. Chief of Counsel translation is included; the
>> >interested reader is invited to compare them.
>>
>> >This document is cited in the essay How Reliable are the Hoess
>> >Memoirs?
>>
>> >The Holocaust-denier "Samuel Crowell" has published his
>> >misinterpretation of this document; we have analyzed his errors.
>>
>> >Notes
>> >1. Friedlander, Henry, The Origins of Nazi Genocide: From Euthanasia
>> >to Final Solution, 1995, pp. 40ff, 68ff. See also pp. 86ff, 198ff.
>>
>> >2. Kogon, Eugen, Germann Langbein, and Adalbert Rückerl, Nazi Mass
>> >Murder: A Documentary History of the Use of Poison Gas, 1993, p. 40.
>> >See also p. 24. Footnotes:
>>
>> >132. Generalstaatsanwaltschaft Frankfurt a/Main AZ: Ks 1/69, judgment
>> >of 27 May 1970 (Zentralstelle der Landesjustizverwaltungen (ZSL),
>> >Ludwigsburg, collection 435, p. 50).
>>
>> >133. Staatsanwaltschaft Wiedbaden AZ: 3 Js 46/61, indictment, p. 63
>> >(ZSL: archive number: 419 AR 381/60).
>>
>> >3.
>>
>> ...
>>
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>
>Where do you come from Ebersdorf? Germany, U.S., etc. Obviously you're
>a part of so-called "Western Civilization".

The USA is not a part of the European civilization and it never has
been. It is a barbarous colonial outpost of that civilization, and
nothing more. "The West" is an American rhetorical construct to
insinuate itself into a civilization where it doesn't belong. The USA
is probably the most evil political entity in the history of humanity
and it has brought nothing but misery to the world since 1776.

On a few occasions, I have had the misfortune of having to visit the
disgusting degeneracy known as the USA because of commitments and
promises I have made to people, but I always feel dirty and defiled
when I set foot on the mother of whores and of every evil on earth.


>
>Michael Ragland


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:09:08 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> Vergasungsapparat would be properly translated as a "vaporization
>> device", something that changes solids/liquids into vapours (gasses).
>
>But the document speaks of "eliminating Jews unfit for work".  What
>does that have to do with "vaporization device"?

Does the document even exist, or are we looking at another one of
those copies-of-a-copy-of-a-copy in which allied propaganda
specializes?


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:48:30 -0400, "127.0.0.1" 
wrote:

>On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:43:27 +0000 (UTC)
>RJ11  wrote:
>
>> In article ,
>> 127.0.0.1  wrote:
>> 
>> > On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:30:58 +0000 (UTC)
>> > RJ11  wrote:
>> 
>> >>    A document which mentions a 'gassing cellar' in an
>> >> Auschwitz-Birkenau crematorium:
>> >> http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/Vergasungkeller.shtml
>> >> 
>> >>    A document requesting cyanide gas detectors for an
>> >> Auschwitz-Birkenau crematorium:
>> >> http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/Gas-Detector.shtml
>> >> 
>> >>    A study of the cyanide compounds in the Auschwitz gas chambers:
>> >> http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/iffr/report.shtml
>> 
>> > Trot out all of the Bolshevik propaganda you like -
>> 
>>    "Bolshevik propaganda"?  Do you bother to think before you write?
>
>Yep.
> 
>> > the fact is that Zyklon-B wasn't suitable for mass-murder. 
>> 
>>    Why?
>
>Do you really believe that if the Germans had concocted this vast
>conspiracy to exterminate Europe's jews they would have used flea
>pellets? Get real.. If the goal was mass-murder the Germans had gas for
>that purpose.
>
There were also all the nerve gases such as "Tabun" that would have
been vastly more efficient, if killing people was the intent.


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:03:26 -0400, "127.0.0.1" 
wrote:

>On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:53:28 +0000 (UTC)
>RJ11  wrote:
>
>> In article ,
>> 127.0.0.1  wrote:
>> 
>> > On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:43:27 +0000 (UTC)
>> > RJ11  wrote:
>> 
>> >>    "Bolshevik propaganda"?  Do you bother to think before you
>> >> write?
>> 
>> > Yep.
>> 
>>    Then your condition is even worse than I suspected.
>
>
>Who liberated these so-called death camps?
>
>
>> >>> the fact is that Zyklon-B wasn't suitable for mass-murder. 
>>  
>> >>    Why?
>> 
>> > Do you really believe that if the Germans had concocted this vast
>> > conspiracy to exterminate Europe's jews they would have used flea
>> > pellets?
>> 
>>    The "flea pellets" release HCN gas.  Do you know what HCN is?
>
>Indeed I do.
> 
>> > Get real.. If the goal was mass-murder the Germans had gas for
>> > that purpose.
>> 
>>    They used gas.  It's called HCN.
>> 
>
>A more effective way of using HCN would have been to drop a cyanide egg
>into an acid bath to disperse the gas quickly and efficiently - not
>drop flea pellets from a hole in the roof, wouldn't you agree?

That is what the Yankees used in their gas chambers.


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:47:22 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:23:44 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
>>  wrote:
>
>>> So eyewitness testimony counts as evidence?  Yes or no?
>
>> It isn't quite the same when you nurse somebody back to health over a
>> period of many months or even years. It is quite different than some
>> so-called holocaust witness who sees a young man of 20 from a range of
>> 500 metres for a period of three seconds and then 60 years later
>> claims in a court that the guy of 80 is the same twenty-year-old who
>> served as a camp guard.
>
>Are you referring to Demjanjuk?  Did any witness state
>that he saw him "from a range of 500 metres for a period of
>three seconds"?  What about the German Otto Horn,  who
>served in Treblinka,  and who also identified Demjanjuk?

The Demjanuk case was a fraud from A to Z. The senile witnesses were
being coached from the audience. It seems that Ivan the Terrible was
bald, and the rap sheet shown to the senile witnesses showed only ONE
bald man, Demjanuk. Naturally, the senile witnesses picked Jemjanuk as
Ivan the Terrible.

>
>And what about the acts that these people witnessed,
>regardless of who committed them? 
>
>Is the Demjanjuk case a typical one?  No.  His trial took
>place far after the large majority of the trials,  and most
>of the accused in the other trials never denied what they
>did.  You seem to suffer from a chronic inability to understand
>the general picture.


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:56:17 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:27:36 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
>>  wrote:
>
>>> Did you find out who Veesenmayer was,  oh educated one?
>
>> The name looks Dutch. Should I know who this is? 
>
>Yes,  you should know who he is.
>
>His name came up during a discussion on the deportations
>to Auschwitz.  You had no idea who he was,  and you still
>have no idea.  Ergo,  you're an ignorant asshole who does
>not possess even the most basic knowledge on the topic at
>hand.
>
>At least David Irving was honest enough to admit that he
>barely knows anything about the Holocaust.  You seem to
>know even less than he does.

Well Jacobson, in those topics where I am 100% certain of what took
place, it seems that you and your pack are telling lies, so there is
no reason for me to believe that what you say in areas where I am less
familiar is any different.


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:46:28 -0700 (PDT), Michael
 wrote:

>On Jul 31, 2:36 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:44:15 -0700 (PDT), Michael
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Jul 31, 1:28 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>> >wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:24:35 -0700 (PDT), Michael
>>
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> >On Jul 31, 7:59 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>> >> >wrote:
>> >> >> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:49:38 -0700 (PDT), Michael
>>
>> >> >>  wrote:
>> >> >> >On Jul 30, 3:13 pm, "Truth Will Out" 
>> >> >> >wrote:
>> >> >> >> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in messagenews:77k094524d1ia5l87cib0gaf25c9oefals@4ax.com...
>>
>> >> >> >> > On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:37:57 +1000, "B. H. Cramer"
>> >> >> >> >  wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >>"Michael"  wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >>news:13dcee0e-c420-4abe-8d0f-66bff1ecac7e@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >> >> >>>http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/06qyfiTd177S8/610x.jpg
>>
>> >> >> >> >>You idiot Michael m'Dear.
>>
>> >> >> >> >>Russian uniforms, and Russian weapons.
>>
>> >> >> >> >>What a wanker you are.
>>
>> >> >> >> > Whoever these people were, they were definitely wearing Soviet
>> >> >> >> > uniforms. This is another photographic misrepresentation so typical of
>> >> >> >> > the holocaustT cult.
>>
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>>
>> >> >> >They're German weapons and uniforms. the Germans had many uniforms.
>>
>> >> >> You can tell all that from this extremely grainy photograph? What make
>> >> >> were the weapons, and how can you tell from the photograph?
>>
>> >> >> Which German units had uniforms that looked exactly like Soviet
>> >> >> uniforms? When were these uniforms issued?
>>
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>> >> >Looks like an Einsatzgruppen killing to me; maybe Nazi sympathizing
>> >> >partisans did it such as in Lithuania. Yes, the photo is grainy but
>> >> >not so grainy that there is a boatload of dead naked people and
>> >> >soldiers with guns.
>>
>> >> That much I saw also, but you claim to have been able to identify the
>> >> weapons as "German". You didn't answer any of my questions, so I have
>> >> to conclude that you can't.
>>
>> >> You are speculating wildly after having been called on the questions
>> >> of uniforms and weapons. Even the corpses look rather odd. The whole
>> >> "photograph" has the looks of a fabrication.
>>
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>> >Hardly. Again, a photogragh, even the best, is an interpretation of
>> >reality and not reality itself. I know. I took photograghy and that is
>> >one of the first things you learn. Doesn't mean necessarily its a
>> >fabrication. The photo is not a microscope here. No telling make or
>> >serial number. The uniforms look just like military uniforms. However,
>> >considering the "setting" it looks like an Einsatzgruppen photo.
>>
>> What you're saying is that ANY group with weapons next to a pile of
>> corpses must be Einsatzgruppen. You are clearly obsessed with this
>> topic. The physical evidence is irrelevant and your preconceived
>> notions trump everything. I've had this conversation already with a
>> bunch of brain-dead creationists. Reality and physical evidence mean
>> little to them either. For them, the scriptures trump reality and for
>> you your dogma trumps reality.
>
>Ragland:Well I'm glad you don't believe in Creationism. There is no
>such thing as "believe or faith" in real science. Einstein said "God
>don't roll dice" yet every observation is that "he" does. Einstein
>admitted he spent his latter career on a wild goose chase; he never
>"bellieved" in quantum mechanics.

>It's just a horrific picture plucked off a Holocaust site.

A few fraudulent pictures go a long way towards discrediting the whole
story.


> I don't
>know the details. I can assure you I can find bonafide Einsatzgruppen
>killing pictures.

It is no secret that the Einsatzgruppen killed people, as did numerous
allied units. It doesn't constitute proof or even evidence of the
six-million story. The current government of German seems set in the
mindset that any bullshit is fine as long as it is anti-Nazi. That
isn't good scientific history, and it will eventually be swept aside.

When I read about Napoleon, for example, I don't want to see the man
or the period of history as seen through self-serving British lenses
where they are always right and everybody else is always wrong. I want
to know what actually took place, why the various players did what
they did, and I don't want it obfuscated with silly British
moralizing. Moralizing has no place in a scientific study of history.
Moralizing is the stock-in-trade of a propaganda exercise.





> Would you like to see that.
>
>Michael Ragland
>
>
>
>
>>
>> >Michael Ragland- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -


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On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 11:50:52 +0100, Daniel Bernard
 wrote:

>On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:17:07 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>wrote:
>
>>"Daniel Bernard"  wrote in message 
>>news:t7e394hih6g2rlvh8lq49ok88lanoqg94p@4ax.com...
>>> Germany has replaced Christianity with a pernicious cult: "Holocaust
>>> religion." In 1994, the parliament of the defunct "Bundesrepublik
>>> Deutschland" (BRD) - the post re-unification Federal Republic of
>>> Germany - treasonously mandated imposed Zionist legislation making it
>>> a criminal offense to deny or even play down the so-called "Jewish
>>> Holocaust."
>>
>>So, in short, you hate Germans.
>>
>''I love Germany so much that I'm glad there are two of them.'' 

At no point was there more than one Germany. The artificial allied
division is now history. The events of 08-May-1945 did not extinguish
the Second Empire founded in 1871. Legally, all authority wielded by
the BRD is on behalf of the Second Empire as its legal trustee.

>
>François Mauriac


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:24:34 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:09:08 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
>>  wrote:
>
>>> But the document speaks of "eliminating Jews unfit for work".  What
>>> does that have to do with "vaporization device"?
>
>> Does the document even exist, or are we looking at another one of
>> those copies-of-a-copy-of-a-copy in which allied propaganda
>> specializes?
>
>It's funny.  You first try to misrepresent it,  you fail,
>and then you start with the "forgery" crap.  It's a
>pattern you follow.
>
>Yes,  it exists.  Nurnberg Document NO-365.  So many new
>things you learned today,  eh?

All the Nürnberg documents presented by the allies are copies of a
copy and none of the originals have ever been found.



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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:17:37 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"a-little-sanity"; "please"  wrote in message 
>news:g6t9lk$v6h$1@pcls6.std.com...
>> In article ,
>> Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>>
>>> Vergasungsapparat would be properly translated as a "vaporization
>>> device", something that changes solids/liquids into vapours (gasses).
>>
>> But the document speaks of "eliminating Jews unfit for work".  What
>> does that have to do with "vaporization device"?
>
>Well, a Zyklon-B pellet *is* a "vaporization device".   Until it's exposed 
>to air, the pellet is an inert block of fiber.   When the can is opened, the 
>HCN embedded in it - and the irritant - vaporize.
>
>So our little Johannes is actually agreeing.

The translation was still wrong and misleading. The term
Vergasungsapparat is of itself not at all sinister. 

>
>HTH
>-pk 


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:32:58 -0400, "127.0.0.1" 
wrote:

>On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:15:22 +0000 (UTC)
>RJ11  wrote:
>
>> In article ,
>> 127.0.0.1  wrote:
>> 
>> > A more effective way of using HCN would have been to drop a cyanide
>> > egg into an acid bath to disperse the gas quickly and efficiently -
>> > not drop flea pellets from a hole in the roof, wouldn't you agree?
>> 
>>    NO.  Zyklon was invented *because* it is a much easier to
>> use/transport/store source of HCN gas.  Open the can,  pour
>> out the pellets,  and that's it.  
>
>You would like us to believe **THAT'S IT** What about temperature,
>heating etc of these so-called death chambers. 
>
>>Why mess with a "cyanide egg"
>> and an acid bath?
>
>Come on man' we're talking about a conspiracy here to liquidate
>millions of people - do you really BELIEVE the Germans couldn't up with
>a better way than dropping pellets down a hole in a roof to accomplish
>this? So much for that famous German engineering, eh RJ? 

This was at the time the world's number ONE country in chemistry. The
poor choice of poison, the Mickey-mouse "gas chambers" that are only
one step up from having been built from random twigs and branches
scattered about the forests all lead me to severely doubt this story.


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:19:37 -0400, "127.0.0.1" 
wrote:

>On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:05:40 -0400
>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:48:30 -0400, "127.0.0.1" 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:43:27 +0000 (UTC)
>> >RJ11  wrote:
>> >
>> >> In article ,
>> >> 127.0.0.1  wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> > On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:30:58 +0000 (UTC)
>> >> > RJ11  wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> >>    A document which mentions a 'gassing cellar' in an
>> >> >> Auschwitz-Birkenau crematorium:
>> >> >> http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/Vergasungkeller.shtml
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>    A document requesting cyanide gas detectors for an
>> >> >> Auschwitz-Birkenau crematorium:
>> >> >> http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/Gas-Detector.shtml
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>    A study of the cyanide compounds in the Auschwitz gas
>> >> >> chambers:
>> >> >> http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/iffr/report.shtml
>> >> 
>> >> > Trot out all of the Bolshevik propaganda you like -
>> >> 
>> >>    "Bolshevik propaganda"?  Do you bother to think before you
>> >> write?
>> >
>> >Yep.
>> > 
>> >> > the fact is that Zyklon-B wasn't suitable for mass-murder. 
>> >> 
>> >>    Why?
>> >
>> >Do you really believe that if the Germans had concocted this vast
>> >conspiracy to exterminate Europe's jews they would have used flea
>> >pellets? Get real.. If the goal was mass-murder the Germans had gas
>> >for that purpose.
>> >
>> There were also all the nerve gases such as "Tabun" that would have
>> been vastly more efficient, if killing people was the intent.
>
>Exactly! Not to mention the fact that Jews were basically concentrated
>into ghettos, why not bomb the ghettos? 

The allied bombers tended to focus on the densely populated inner
cities where the Jewish ghettos were. Large numbers of dead Jews would
have been generated by the allies themselves.


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:31:07 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:7od494h3u5rjoh8a57ca0fsft9egvoi5uo@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:48:30 -0400, "127.0.0.1" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:43:27 +0000 (UTC)
>>>RJ11  wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article ,
>>>> 127.0.0.1  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:30:58 +0000 (UTC)
>>>> > RJ11  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >>    A document which mentions a 'gassing cellar' in an
>>>> >> Auschwitz-Birkenau crematorium:
>>>> >> http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/Vergasungkeller.shtml
>>>> >>
>>>> >>    A document requesting cyanide gas detectors for an
>>>> >> Auschwitz-Birkenau crematorium:
>>>> >> http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/Gas-Detector.shtml
>>>> >>
>>>> >>    A study of the cyanide compounds in the Auschwitz gas chambers:
>>>> >> http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/iffr/report.shtml
>>>>
>>>> > Trot out all of the Bolshevik propaganda you like -
>>>>
>>>>    "Bolshevik propaganda"?  Do you bother to think before you write?
>>>
>>>Yep.
>>>
>>>> > the fact is that Zyklon-B wasn't suitable for mass-murder.
>>>>
>>>>    Why?
>>>
>>>Do you really believe that if the Germans had concocted this vast
>>>conspiracy to exterminate Europe's jews they would have used flea
>>>pellets? Get real.. If the goal was mass-murder the Germans had gas for
>>>that purpose.
>>>
>> There were also all the nerve gases such as "Tabun" that would have
>> been vastly more efficient, if killing people was the intent.
>
>I'm sure that these murderers would have appreciated your suggestions.
>
>However, gases such as Tabun are not common or inexpensive or at hand and 
>aren't a weapon that's easily masked as a shipment of a substance with a 
>legitimate use.

Tabun is sufficiently toxic that a few µg causes paralysis and death
in under ten seconds. Properly distributed, 1 kg of Tabun would be
sufficient to kill 500,000,000 people.

I doubt that a few kg of Tabun would be more expensive than thousands
of kg of flea pellets.

>
>You really should consider education.
>-pk


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:13:56 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"Truth Will Out"  wrote in message 
>news:3crkk.24474$IK1.10637@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>> "Michael"  wrote in message 
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>> On Jul 31, 1:24 pm, "127.0.0.1"  wrote:
>>> It has escaped the notice of most people that stories of a "Nazi
>>> Holocaust" during World War II are actually impossible as regards the
>>> chemistry of poisons. This can be verified by calling or writing the
>>> American Cyanamid Co., Box 31, Linden, NJ 07036, telephone (201)
>>> 862-6000, or by consulting standard reference works such as the various
>>> editions (in particular the 11th) of the Encyclopedia Britannica under
>>> "Hydrocyanic Acid", "Prussic Acid", "Poisons", Gleason's Clinical
>>> Toxicology of Commercial Products, or Legal Medicine and Toxicology by
>>> Peterson, Haines and Webster (2nd edition). One might be permitted to
>>> ask:
>>>
>>> (a) whether there is any such thing as an "amethyst-blue crystal of
>>> hydrogen cyanide" (Reitlinger, The Final Solution, p. 160; Shirer, Rise
>>> and Fall of the Third Reich, p. 970);
>>>
>>> (b) whether hydrogen cyanide can be solidified at room temperature in
>>> an ordinary tin can (Hilberg, The Destruction of the European Jews, p.
>>> 566, "The hydrogen cyanide, solidified into pellets, immediately passed
>>> into the gaseous state");
>>>
>>> (c) whether hydrogen cyanide can be made to crystallize in a vacuum and
>>> become gaseous upon exposure to air ("I used Zyklon B, which was a
>>> crystallized prussic acid", Rudolf Hoess at Nuremberg, quoted in
>>> Shirer, p. 968); (1)
>>>
>>> (d) whether potassium cyanide becomes immediately gaseous upon exposure
>>> to air '"The use of special chemicals, such as Zyklon B [potassium
>>> cyanide] ...... from a special opening in the ceiling, Zyklon B
>>> crystals were introduced, becoming immediately gaseous". Moshe
>>> Pearlmann, The Capture and Trial of Adolph Eichmann, pp. 375, 385)
>>> (Note: Is potassium cyanide a crystal?);
>>>
>>> (e) whether any salt of cyanide in the absence of an acid could release
>>> lethal quantities of poisonous gas in 30 seconds ("He gave me a bottle
>>> containing about half a pint of salts. I think they were salts of
>>> cyanide... I introduced a certain quantity of salt through a tube...
>>> they breathed for about half a minute before they fell to the floor".
>>> Joseph Kramer at the Belsen Trial, quoted in Shirer, p. 981);
>>>
>>> (f) whether humidity is an antidote to cyanide poisoning ("The subject,
>>> a girl aged 15, was saved by contact with the humidity of the cement
>>> floor", Reitlinger, p. 157;
>>>
>>> (g) whether victims of cyanide poisoning retain consciousness ("We knew
>>> when the people were dead, because their screaming stopped". Rudolf
>>> Hoess, former Auschwitz commander, at Nuremberg, quoted in Rise and
>>> Fall of the Third Reich, p. 968); (1) This is medically impossible. The
>>> Merck Index of Dangerous Properties of Industrial Chemicals (p. 623)
>>> describes the symptoms of cyanide poisoning as "unconsciousness,
>>> convulsions and respiratory arrest". Clinical Toxicology of Commercial
>>> Products (Gleason, p. 76) lists them as "unconsciousness followed
>>> promptly by violent convulsions". The Encyclopedia Britannica ("Prussic
>>> Acid", 1911) says, "The patient is quite unconscious". Legal Medicine
>>> and Toxicology (Peterson, Haines and Webster, 2nd Edition) remarks
>>> (Vol. 2, p. 678), "The patient falls to the ground insensible", and
>>> mentions a case history in which the victim was unconscious for six
>>> hours! The same standard reference work contains numerous case
>>> histories of accidental or suicidal cyanide poisoning. P. 682: "...
>>> fell to the ground insensible... died quietly without any further
>>> struggle 15 or 20 minutes after taking the poison... he did not
>>> scream... fell to the ground completely insensible, he died in about 10
>>> minutes"; p. 681: "... loss of consciousness... complete
>>> insensibility... signs of returning consciousness in two hours after
>>> admission..."; p. 679: ... "a healthy woman... died in 15 to 20
>>> minutes. ... in another case a man took a similar dose and was
>>> insensible for four hours, but recovered"; p. 677: "In some cases the
>>> patient staggers a few steps, and then falls down and dies in five
>>> minutes or less without sound or convulsion".
>>>
>>> Hoess could only ascertain death by entering the chamber and taking
>>> pulse or heartbeat. Cyanide is not practical for mass killing in
>>> concentrations less than that required to cause instant death ("Poison
>>> Gas Warfare", 1922 Supplement, Encyclopedia Britannica). (2) The
>>> concentrations required to kill quickly are extremely high and must be
>>> exactly known - not guessed at by listening to unconscious people.
>>>
>>> (h) whether anything can be a crystal, a pellet, a "gas crystal" (?)
>>> (Shirer, p. 971), a salt and a gas all at the same time, as well as two
>>> different chemicals at once ("this dangerous gas", etc, "these tins of
>>> gas". Rudolf Hoess in Poland six months later, according to the
>>> Communist ghost-written autobiography, Commandant at Auschwitz, p. 208);
>>>
>>> (i) whether any solid of cyanide intended to kill fleas and lice would
>>> be an efficient instrument for purposes of mass murder, compared to the
>>> ethyl cyanide or cyanic acid used in the manufacture of fulminate of
>>> mercury (Leschke, Clinical Toxicology, p. 56) or the acrylonitrile used
>>> to make Buna nitrile (GBR) rubber ("Organically bound cyanides, i.e.,
>>> acrylonitrile, are sometimes used as fumigant gases, especially for
>>> grains", Clinical Toxicology of Commercial Products, p. 74; "Also
>>> developed by the Germans (GBR) ... manufactured in large tonnage during
>>> the war... copolymerized with acrylonitrile... up to 40% acrylonitrile
>>> by volume". Colliers Encyclopedia, "Rubber", 1965);
>>>
>>> Please note: the Monowitz Rubber Plant at Auschwitz was one of the
>>> largest in the world, established by I.G. Farben. Farben held the
>>> patient for Zyklon B, and was supposedly cooperating in the mass
>>> gassings. Krupp established a huge munitions plant at Auschwitz.
>>> Fulminate of mercury is a primary explosive related chemically to the
>>> cyanides (Encyclopedia Britannica, "Fulminic Acid"). Hydrocyanic acid
>>> is explosive (Sax, Dangerous Properties of Industrial Chemicals, p.
>>> 764);
>>>
>>> (j) whether cyanide gas is heavier than air, since it was supposedly
>>> released from the ceiling, ("... looking up at the shower heads, from
>>> which no water came... realized the gas was coming out of the vents..."
>>> Shirer, p. 970).
>>>
>>> (k) whether "powerful fans" are a smart way to get rid of cyanide gas
>>> in an industrial complex housing 200,000 people, etc. (3) Needless to
>>> say, the answer to every one of these questions is "No". Zyklon B was a
>>> commercially manufactured fumigant intended for fleas and lice packed
>>> in a 200-gram tin can. Since 200 grams of pure hydrocyanic acid could
>>> kill at least 2,000 people, it was evidently highly diluted (4).
>>> Hydrocyanic acid "in the pure state is said to kill with a
>>> lightning-like rapidity. It is met with in commerce only in a diluted
>>> state..." (Encyclopedia Britannica, 11th edition, "Poisons"). "A stout,
>>> muscular man, aged 40, drank by mistake half an ounce of 1.48 percent
>>> solution of hydrocyanic acid... fell suddenly, completely insensible...
>>> he died... in about ten minutes" (Legal Medicine and Toxicology, Vol.
>>> 2, p. 682).
>>>
>>> At the rate of 60-100 milligrams per person, the manufacture of 1,000
>>> tons of nitrile rubber could require enough pure hydrocyanic acid for
>>> the preparation of acrylonitrile to "gas" the entire world! (Note: In
>>> practice, as opposed to theory, "mass gassings" require huge amounts of
>>> poison, because the air acts as a dilutant and filter. The liquid must
>>> evaporate and fill the entire chamber to an extremely high
>>> concentration, which takes time. To kill 2000 people in 2 minutes would
>>> probably require a ton of pure cyanide).
>>>
>>> (5) According to pre-Nuremberg technical literature, the active
>>> ingredient in Zyklon B was a liquid "absorbed in granular
>>> diatomite" (Encyclopedia Britannica, "Hydrocyanic Acid", 1943). A
>>> single inhalation of pure hydrocyanic acid (60 milligrams) produces
>>> near instantaneous unconsciousness followed by death in several
>>> minutes. Zyklon B (which the "Holocaust experts" claim was used to gas
>>> the Jews), in contrast, was so fantastically weak that to kill clothes
>>> moths with Zyklon required 16 grams per cubic meter over a 24-hour
>>> exposure. (Source: Document NI-9912, Office of the Chief Counsel for
>>> War Crimes, 1947, a translation of directions issued by the Health
>>> Institute of the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia in Prague, p. 6).
>>> A Polish Communist, Pelagia Lewinska (Twenty Months at Auschwitz, p.
>>> 55), has remarked: "The gas [Zyklon] was too weak, did not always kill
>>> the lice and did no harm whatsoever against the nits".
>>>
>>> According to post-Nuremberg Jewish "historians", Zyklon B was a
>>> commercial bug-bomb packed in a tin can which apparently no one ever
>>> opened, containing non-existent crystals, salts or pellets compressed
>>> to kill fleas, reacting in an impossible way and releasing fumes which
>>> went down instead of up, producing impossible symptoms, and that this
>>> dilute mixture was used in preference to tons of an extremely powerful
>>> poison which was readily available! THE OVENS The German edition of
>>> Shirer's Rise and Fall (p. 1025 in the Knaur paperback edition)
>>> contains a footnote which is apparently the result of a legal action
>>> brought against the German publishers by the manufacturer of the
>>> crematory ovens at Belgrade (the Didier-Werke). The note observes that
>>> the "dimensions are those which are standard for crematory ovens of a
>>> not-very-modern design intended for smaller cemeteries, and would be
>>> unsuitable for mass burnings". Anyone who has ever tried to burn
>>> magazines in a trash can will immediately recognize that the technical
>>> problems involved in designing a crematory oven capable of burning
>>> several thousand corpses a day would be practically insurmountable.
>>> Such an oven would have to be equipped with giant mechanical arms to
>>> keep the bodies stirred up as well as an apparatus to keep the fuel and
>>> air evenly distributed. Photographs of German ovens taken immediately
>>> after the war show 18-inch doors about two feet off the floor. Those at
>>> Buchenwald have even been photographed with the doors open, showing
>>> back and side walls, grid and grate, very clearly. The story according
>>> to Hilberg, Shirer and others is that the ovens proved "inefficient",
>>> and the bodies were finally burned in the open using wood and petroleum
>>> for fuel. The buildings were razed and the landscape altered by
>>> planting trees (!) thus conveniently destroying all real evidence.
>>> (Source of "information": The Soviet Union at Nuremberg). Legal
>>> Medicine and Toxicology observes (Vol. 2, pp. 881-883) that it requires
>>> 40 hours to burn a human body using wood as fuel.
>>>
>>> "A body of ordinary size is completely cremated when gas is used as a
>>> fuel in one hour; when petroleum is used, from one and a half to two
>>> hours are required. The ash which remains, which consists entirely of
>>> mineral substances, all organic compounds having been destroyed, weighs
>>> from five to nine pounds, depending on the size of the body".
>>>
>>> This means 15,000 to 27,000 tons of ashes for six million people. Where
>>> is it? As usual, we are left with only the Communists to tell us how it
>>> all came to disappear. The cremation of 16,000 bodies a day (according
>>> to Rudolf Hoess) using petroleum as fuel would require over 1,000
>>> ovens. Where are they? The larger camps have four or five; the smaller
>>> camps have one or two; and they are coal-fired. What kind of murder
>>> program is this?
>>>
>>> When one considers that there are
>>> no oversize ovens;
>>> no "gas chambers" which have not repeatedly been proven to be merely
>>> shower baths, which is what they were supposed to have been in the
>>> first place ("See those shower heads? This is a gas chamber. Two
>>> dollars, please".); no significant quantity of ashes or skeletons; no
>>> documents which are not Zionist or Communist forgeries; that the
>>> chemical reactions, symptoms and crematory processes described are
>>> impossible; and that Jews have never cooperated with a census at any
>>> time in history (see I Chronicles: 21 and II Samuel: 24),
>>>
>>> one is tempted to ask: if millions of them really disappeared during
>>> the war, how would we know it? By believing what we see on TV? Surely
>>> not.
>>>
>>> The slaughter of 1.5 million Cambodians by the Communists was given an
>>> average of 20-seconds evening network-news coverage per month. By
>>> contrast an imaginary atrocity involving Jews 40 years ago gets nine
>>> and one-half hours in one week! Is this lack of proportion coincidental?
>>>
>>> Notes:
>>> (1) The "confession" referred to in (c) and (g) was written entirely in
>>> English by Lt. Col. Smith W. Brookhart Jr. (reportedly still living at
>>> 18 Hillside Drive, Denver, Colorado USA 80215). There is no proof that
>>> Hoess understood English. The translation into German dated 3 days
>>> later was never signed. Brookhart was the son of a Senator from
>>> Washington, Iowa. A person who knows the family well is Rev. George
>>> McDaniel of St. Ambrose University, 518 Locust St., Davenport, Iowa.
>>> (2) What the article actually says is: "A gas is classed as immediately
>>> fatal when death follows exposure for a period of two minutes to a
>>> certain concentration (i.e., a certain proportion of the air breathed).
>>> A higher concentration may cause instantaneous death. The only known
>>> compounds which, in concentrations practically obtainable, produce
>>> immediate death are those containing cyanogen. The chief disadvantage
>>> of these compounds is that when the concentration is not sufficient to
>>> cause death, they have no effect at all... the specific lethal gases
>>> will only produce their effect in very high concentrations, which means
>>> that a large number of shells must be used simultaneously over a
>>> certain area..." (3) These fans never existed. See the Leuchter Report.
>>> (4) This is an error. See the Leuchter Report. (5) American prisons
>>> have been known use up to 2 pounds of cyanide salt in acid to generate
>>> the gas required to kill one convict in a very small chamber in much
>>> longer than 2 minutes. The convict is unconscious in 40 seconds, but
>>> may take 15 minutes to die. See "Until You Are Dead: Executions in
>>> America" by Frederick Drimmer, pp. 57-59. See also page 12, column 1 of
>>> the Leuchter Report, Focal Point edition. This essay was written in
>>> 1978 and revised in 1985. It has been rendered obsolete by the Leuchter
>>> Report published in 1988.
>>>
>>> I continue to make the essay available despite its shortcomings because
>>> it was only the impossibility of the chemical reactions which first
>>> convinced me that the Holocaust was a lie.http://www.cwporter.com/c1.htm
>>
>>>Why do some of these creeps not archive their messages? Are they
>>>paranoid or don't want to
>>>be archived shit for years. Is it illegal in their country?
>>
>>>Michael Ragland
>>
>> I'm not sure "creeps" is a politically correct term to describe people who 
>> question, Michael, but questioning the Holocaust certainly is fraught with 
>> all types of danger to life, wellbeing and liberty.
>>
>> The Holocaust is the only historical event I am aware of that is protected 
>> from investigation by legislation.
>
>Well then, you're about to learn something new.
>
>First, the Holocaust is not "protected from investigation by legislation", 
>anywhere in the world.   This is why it is investigated in universities 
>every day, in many countries.

If that is the case, then why do you rely on "proofs" from a judicial
farce such as Nürnberg and its coerced bogus confessions if more
modern research is available?

The fact is, that such modern physical research as has been done, in
the camps within Germany for example, does not support the exaggerated
postwar claims of the allies. That is why you continuously trot out
old stuff from the forties that can charitably be dismissed as
self-serving allied propaganda assembled for political purposes.

>
>What is illegal, in perhaps 13 countries, is denying, justifying, or 
>minimizing it.    These are not remotely the same as investigating it.
>
>Second, in a number of countries, every event in the Q'uran is protected 
>from questioning, by legislation that is considerably harsher than anything 
>related to the Holocaust.   It can carry the death penalty.
>
>Third, in Turkey, investigating the Turkish role in the Armenian massacres 
>is illegal.
>
>>
>> Truth needs no such protection.
>
>And that's why libel and slander laws don't exist, right?
>
>-pk 


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:59:40 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"127.0.0.1"  wrote in message 
>news:Lxqkk.5324$LF2.232@newsfe09.iad...
>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:45:10 -0400
>> "Patrick Keenan"  wrote:
>>
>>> "127.0.0.1"  wrote in message
>>> news:Ubpkk.5305$LF2.932@newsfe09.iad...
>>> > It has escaped the notice of most people that stories of a "Nazi
>>> > Holocaust" during World War II are actually impossible as regards
>>> > the chemistry of poisons. This can be verified by calling or
>>> > writing the American Cyanamid Co., Box 31, Linden, NJ 07036,
>>> > telephone (201) 862-6000, or by consulting standard reference works
>>> > such as the various editions (in particular the 11th) of the
>>> > Encyclopedia Britannica under "Hydrocyanic Acid", "Prussic Acid",
>>> > "Poisons", Gleason's Clinical Toxicology of Commercial Products, or
>>> > Legal Medicine and Toxicology by Peterson, Haines and Webster (2nd
>>> > edition). One might be permitted to ask:
>>>
>>> One might be permitted to ask what information or expertise the ACC
>>> has on the use of cyanide, particularly in the form of Zyklon, as a
>>> murder agent.
>>
>> Since Zyklon-B has never been used as a murder agent, that question
>> would be difficult to answer.
>
>In fact it has.
>
>Your very clumsy and ill-informed attempts at denial don't change either 
>reality or history.
>
>>> One might be permitted to ask why, if Porter thinks that Zyklon works
>>> as advertised and is not as dangerous as its manufacturer and it
>>> label said it was,  why Degesch and the German Government required
>>> users to undergo special training and wear protective clothing and
>>> masks and so clearly marked the tins as deadly poison.
>>
>>
>> One might ask how jews claimed to have went in and removed the people
>> who were gassed without the use of gas-mask and protective clothing.
>
>It's called ventilation, and gas masks were provided.

They wouldn't be much benefit. I handled KCN in my university
chemistry courses, and we were told that it is quickly absorbed
through the skin with rapidly lethal results. We were told that if
there is an accident, and somebody gets into contact with the KCN,
under NO CIRCUMSTANCES were we to touch the victim's clothing or the
victim, unless we wanted to join the victim on the floor.

The cleanup crews in your fable seemed to have been completely immune
to the effects of the poison.

>
>By the  the way, the Sonderkommando who were assigned to pull bodies out 
>were themselves expendable.
>
>You would have the answers to these questions if you bothered to do the 
>homework.
>
>Instead, you embrace your ignorance, as if it enhances your appearance.
>
>
>> (Or you could provide me with testimony where those who claimed to
>> have removed these gassed bodies were dressed in full chemical gear)
>>
>>
>>> One might be permitted to ask why people kept using a product that
>>> you and Porter claim didn't work as advertised.
>>
>> It worked for its intended purpose .i.e. a pesticide.
>
>And that means that you agree that it works to kill humans.
>
>Only a small fraction of what's necessary to kill lice in three days is 
>needed to kill humans in five minutes.
>
>You aren't nearly as smart as you pretend to be, Tommy.
>
>>> One might be permitted to ask why the Merck Index lists 300ppm of HCN
>>> as lethal to humans in 5 minutes.   Of course, fumigation requires
>>> 11,000 to 17,000 ppm maintained for up to 72 hours.
>>
>> You and the Nizkook crowd claim that 1600-ppm were used.
>
>No, I do not claim that.     It is 11,000 to 17,000ppm, for up to three 
>days, versus 300ppm for five minutes.
>
>1600ppm would not kill lice.
>
>>> Tommy, you really should go and talk to your Mum.   Tell her that you
>>> haven't learned anything, can't think for yourself, fall for the
>>> stupidest lies, and that you really do need special schooling.
>>
>> You really should look at the other side of the coin and stop believing
>> in old Soviet Bolshevik propaganda, it's been over half a century.
>
>Try looking at the science and the manufacturer and industry documenation, 
>Tommy.
>
>And do go have that talk with your Mum.   You're really not learning 
>anything and are just looking like a complete mark.
>
>Hope this helps.
>-pk


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:38:39 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"127.0.0.1"  wrote in message 
>news:wLrkk.2294$3l5.68@newsfe06.iad...
>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:59:40 -0400
>> "Patrick Keenan"  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "127.0.0.1"  wrote in message
>>> news:Lxqkk.5324$LF2.232@newsfe09.iad...
>>> > On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:45:10 -0400
>>> > "Patrick Keenan"  wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> "127.0.0.1"  wrote in message
>>> >> news:Ubpkk.5305$LF2.932@newsfe09.iad...
>>> >> > It has escaped the notice of most people that stories of a "Nazi
>>> >> > Holocaust" during World War II are actually impossible as regards
>>> >> > the chemistry of poisons. This can be verified by calling or
>>> >> > writing the American Cyanamid Co., Box 31, Linden, NJ 07036,
>>> >> > telephone (201) 862-6000, or by consulting standard reference
>>> >> > works such as the various editions (in particular the 11th) of
>>> >> > the Encyclopedia Britannica under "Hydrocyanic Acid", "Prussic
>>> >> > Acid", "Poisons", Gleason's Clinical Toxicology of Commercial
>>> >> > Products, or Legal Medicine and Toxicology by Peterson, Haines
>>> >> > and Webster (2nd edition). One might be permitted to ask:
>>> >>
>>> >> One might be permitted to ask what information or expertise the ACC
>>> >> has on the use of cyanide, particularly in the form of Zyklon, as a
>>> >> murder agent.
>>> >
>>> > Since Zyklon-B has never been used as a murder agent, that question
>>> > would be difficult to answer.
>>>
>>> In fact it has.
>>
>>
>> Not that you and the holocaust industry has been able to prove.
>
>Wrong, but you are afraid to do anything but deny it.
>
>And there are precisely zero valid technical objections to the use of 
>Zyklon-B as a murder agent, used in the manner described.
>
>
>>> >> One might be permitted to ask why, if Porter thinks that Zyklon
>>> >> works as advertised and is not as dangerous as its manufacturer
>>> >> and it label said it was,  why Degesch and the German Government
>>> >> required users to undergo special training and wear protective
>>> >> clothing and masks and so clearly marked the tins as deadly poison.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > One might ask how jews claimed to have went in and removed the
>>> > people who were gassed without the use of gas-mask and protective
>>> > clothing.
>>>
>>> It's called ventilation, and gas masks were provided.
>>
>>> By the  the way, the Sonderkommando who were assigned to pull bodies
>>> out were themselves expendable.
>>
>>
>> Who testified to using gas mask while removing bodies? Provide me with
>> the transcript's of this testimony.. Thanks...
>
>And Tommy demonstrates his inability to look things up for himself.
>
>
>>> > (Or you could provide me with testimony where those who claimed to
>>> > have removed these gassed bodies were dressed in full chemical gear)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> One might be permitted to ask why people kept using a product that
>>> >> you and Porter claim didn't work as advertised.
>>> >
>>> > It worked for its intended purpose .i.e. a pesticide.
>>>
>>> And that means that you agree that it works to kill humans.
>>
>>
>> The purpose of Zyklon-B wasn't to kill humans.
>
>Of course it wasn't its purpose.   Murder is illegal, and was illegal in 
>Germany too, 

Murder is a legal classification. The USA kills people all the time,
but it isn't murder because their laws don't define it as murder.
Americans tend to think that they are doing a good deed when they kill
people, especially non-Americans.

In any case, flea pellets are a cumbersome approach if
industrial-style liquidation of enemies of the state was the intent.



>which is another reason Zyklon was an excellent choice, there 
>being a legitimate reason to have it on hand.
>
>You pretend to not understand that if there is enough HCN to kill lice, 
>there is vastly more than enough to kill humans.
>
>But your pretending only makes you look slow.
>
>>
>>
>>> Only a small fraction of what's necessary to kill lice in three days
>>> is needed to kill humans in five minutes.
>>
>>
>> Five minutes?
>
>Yes.   Look it up.   An HCN concentration of 300ppm will kill humans in five 
>minutes or less.
>
>Even if they don't die instantly, victims are actively dying within 
>moments - a few breaths -  because their blood can no longer absorb oxygen.
>
>>> You aren't nearly as smart as you pretend to be, Tommy.
>>
>> Flattery will get you know where.
>
>Your schooling certainly isn't taking you anywhere.
>
>Perhaps the problem isn't with the school.
>
>You really should ask you Mum for help with this.
>
>>> >> One might be permitted to ask why the Merck Index lists 300ppm of
>>> >> HCN as lethal to humans in 5 minutes.   Of course, fumigation
>>> >> requires 11,000 to 17,000 ppm maintained for up to 72 hours.
>>> >
>>> > You and the Nizkook crowd claim that 1600-ppm were used.
>>>
>>> No, I do not claim that.     It is 11,000 to 17,000ppm, for up to
>>> three days, versus 300ppm for five minutes.
>>>
>>> 1600ppm would not kill lice.
>>
>> We're talking humans, not lice....
>
>Would you mind paying attention?
>
>One of the benchmark values for HCN toxicity is that 300ppm is lethal to 
>humans in five minutes.
>
>If 1600ppm were used on humans, they would be dead in a couple of minutes.
>
>I would not be surprised at all if 1600ppm were achieved, as Zyklon was 
>cheap and readily available in large amounts.   "Waste" was not an issue.
>
>But they did not test for the concentration, other than by observing the 
>results:   everyone died.
>
>Neither, for that matter, do US prisons when they execute prisoners using 
>gas.   This is why people like Berg cannot answer what the HCN concentration 
>was when gassings in US prisons take longer than expected.    We can, but 
>Berg won't, estimate the achieved concentration from the time to death as 
>being low, since the toxicity of HCN has been well established for many 
>decades.
>
>
>>> >> Tommy, you really should go and talk to your Mum.   Tell her that
>>> >> you haven't learned anything, can't think for yourself, fall for
>>> >> the stupidest lies, and that you really do need special schooling.
>>> >
>>> > You really should look at the other side of the coin and stop
>>> > believing in old Soviet Bolshevik propaganda, it's been over half a
>>> > century.
>>>
>>> Try looking at the science and the manufacturer and industry
>>> documenation, Tommy.
>>
>> See the original topic of this thread...
>
>I did.   You should.
>
>-pk


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On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:13:17 +1000, "B. H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message 
>news:Sb2dnZhkmef6rw_VnZ2dnUVZ_gOdnZ2d@supernews.com...
>> "127.0.0.1"  wrote in message 
>> news:Ubpkk.5305$LF2.932@newsfe09.iad...
>>> It has escaped the notice of most people that stories of a "Nazi
>>> Holocaust" during World War II are actually impossible as regards the
>>> chemistry of poisons. This can be verified by calling or writing the
>>> American Cyanamid Co., Box 31, Linden, NJ 07036, telephone (201)
>>> 862-6000, or by consulting standard reference works such as the various
>>> editions (in particular the 11th) of the Encyclopedia Britannica under
>>> "Hydrocyanic Acid", "Prussic Acid", "Poisons", Gleason's Clinical
>>> Toxicology of Commercial Products, or Legal Medicine and Toxicology by
>>> Peterson, Haines and Webster (2nd edition). One might be permitted to
>>> ask:
>>
>> One might be permitted to ask what information or expertise the ACC has on 
>> the use of cyanide, particularly in the form of Zyklon, as a murder agent.
>
>Idiot. What specific expertise do you posses?
>
>
I'm sure that even a cavalier American company has safety regulations
in the handling of its poisonous products. They generally know what
their stuff can or cannot do.


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:27:45 -0700 (PDT), Michael
 wrote:

>
>
>Because they we're concentrated strictly on winning WII?

No. Either they didn't know about the alleged holocaust™ or they
thought it unimportant.

They did in fact bomb some of the camps, I guess in the belief that
whatever the Nazis were doing there was too slow and inefficient.
Bombs are dramatically more efficient than flea pellets.

>
>Michael Ragland


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On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 15:10:56 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article <4o6694thk86vuhcg5cch7jb2t6mu62rs19@4ax.com>,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> Well Jacobson, 
>
>Yeh,  yeh (yaawn).
>
>> in those topics where I am 100% certain of what took
>> place, it seems that you and your pack are telling lies, so there is
>> no reason for me to believe that what you say in areas where I am less
>> familiar is any different.
>
>Yeh,  yeh (yaawn).
>
>Did you find out who Veesenmayer was,  you sad little thing?

Why should I care?


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On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 15:13:33 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> This was at the time the world's number ONE country in chemistry. The
>> poor choice of poison,
>
>Why was HCN a "poor choice"?

That has already been explained numerous times on this newsgroup.

The formula weight for HCN is 1+12+14 = 27, meaning that 22.4 litres
of this gas at STP has a mass of 27 grams.

Air is a solution of oxygen and nitrogen in a 20:80 proportion, so
that 22.4 litres of it at STP would have a mass of 29 grams.

Essentially, HCN will rise in air, not fall. Having ceiling holes to
add flea pellets would be the ultimate in bad design. That is only one
of the countless flaws in the stories surrounding the showers/gas
chambers.


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On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:11:39 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 15:10:56 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
>>  wrote:
>
>>> Did you find out who Veesenmayer was,  you sad little thing?
>
>> Why should I care?
>
>Because you entered a discussion about the number of Hungarian
>Jews deported to Auschwitz,  and he composed reports which
>provide the number of deportees.

How do you know that Veesenmayer was correct?


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On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:53:30 -0700 (PDT), pekingcat@hushmail.com wrote:

>On Aug 3, 5:57 am, Joe Bruno  wrote:
>> On Aug 3, 2:35 am, "B. H. Cramer" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Joe Bruno"  wrote in message
>>
>> >news:d7bab138-1555-4af0-b7c0-a289b8844276@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>> > On Aug 3, 2:15 am, "B. H. Cramer" 
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > > "Joe Bruno"  wrote in message
>>
>> > >news:d24d9447-66ff-4bd5-858e-f889d0667bf1@r35g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>> > > On Aug 3, 12:32 am, Joe Bruno  wrote:
>>
>> > > > On Jul 30, 9:03 pm, Jewdas  wrote:
>>
>> > > > > Joe Bruno wrote:
>> > > > > > On Jul 28, 8:04 pm, "The Quantum Shaman" 
>> > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > >>http://domarisociety.googlepages.com/aboutthedomaricommunitycenter
>>
>> > > > > >> My people (forefathers) have lived in the Old City of Jerusalem and
>> > > > > >> the West
>> > > > > >> Bank for over 100 years, and yet, in many ways, during these 100
>> > > > > >> years our
>> > > > > >> standard of living and status of life has not changed. Many of my
>> > > > > >> people
>> > > > > >> still live without electricity, many do not have indoor plumbing,
>> > > > > >> and
>> > > > > >> many
>> > > > > >> cannot read or write.
>>
>> > > > > >> What are the goals of this new organization, Domari: the Society of
>> > > > > >> Gypsies
>> > > > > >> in Israel?
>>
>> > > > > >> We would like to raise our standard of living through education and
>> > > > > >> health
>> > > > > >> care.
>>
>> > > > > >> Many of the Gypsy children do not attend school because they are
>> > > > > >> discriminated against by the teachers and other students. Many are
>> > > > > >> ashamed
>> > > > > >> to go to school because they do not have clothes or backpacks like
>> > > > > >> the other
>> > > > > >> children. Because their parents did not attend school they are
>> > > > > >> unable
>> > > > > >> to get
>> > > > > >> good jobs and don't have the money needed to buy the books and
>> > > > > >> school
>> > > > > >> supplies.
>>
>> > > > > >> If the children were to attend school, they would be able to get
>> > > > > >> better jobs
>> > > > > >> and raise their standard of living.
>>
>> > > > > >> Health care is another concern of our organization. We need to
>> > > > > >> teach
>> > > > > >> the
>> > > > > >> women how to care for the health of their children and family. We
>> > > > > >> need to
>> > > > > >> look at how we can help the disabled in our community. Currently
>> > > > > >> there is no
>> > > > > >> health care available in our community. This needs to be changed.
>>
>> > > > > >> --
>> > > > > >> +
>>
>> > > > > > The USA has numerous Constitutional amendments that forbid
>> > > > > > discrimination against minorities.
>> > > > > > Not every country has the Civil Rights protection for it's citizens
>> > > > > > that the USA has.
>>
>> > > > > > Most countries outside the USA have none at all.
>>
>> > > > > > This is a blinding revelation to you?
>>
>> > > > > Joey, Are you finally admitting that the Zionist Ersatz State of
>> > > > > Israel
>> > > > > is not a real Democracy after all?
>>
>> > > > ROTFL! A democracy is a country in which the majority makes the
>> > > > political decisions.
>> > > > This has nothing to do with civil rights, which protect the minoities.-
>> > > > Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > > > - Show quoted text -
>> > > > This has nothing to do with civil rights, which protect the
>> > > >minoities.-
>> > > >That should read "civil rights laws".
>>
>> > > Civli Rights laws are not democratic, b'luto. Most of these laws were
>> > > foist
>> > > upon the populance against their wishes.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > > - Show quoted text -
>> > >Horsedung. Our civil rights laws were voted into effect by Congress,
>> > >the representatives of the American voter.
>>
>> > But not by the citizens, b'luto. The laws were foist upon them.
>>
>> > In a real democracy, laws of this magnitude, would be taken to referendum.-
>>
>> That's your definition of democracy, not ours.
>> American politicians are always polling their constituents asking them
>> for their views on issues.
>> Stay in Australia and mind your own damn business.
>
>The US is supposed to be a republic, not a democracy.

Nazi Germany was also a republic, as was the former Soviet Union, so
what is your point?


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On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:21:42 -0700 (PDT), "Chris C. Larson"
 wrote:

>PLEASE stop shitting on Germany. And post something original. No one
>here reads cut and paste. This is for original thought only.
>
>Thank you

DDR-light deserves to take some shit. Modern Germany is no democracy.



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On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 18:19:40 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>You apparently don't realize that the HCN was not pumped into
>the chambers in gaseous form.  The SS used a solid carrier
>called Zyklon-B,  which was either lowered into the chambers
>or thrown on the floor.

I said that, didn't I? Flea pellets are usually solids, but these gave
off HCN.


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On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 07:38:16 +1000, "B. H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message 
>news:Cu6dnSa_nY0SHQ7VnZ2dnUVZ_qLinZ2d@supernews.com...
>> "a-little-sanity"; "please"  wrote in message 
>> news:g6vk3s$ff7$1@pcls4.std.com...
>>> In article ,
>>> Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 15:13:33 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
>>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Why was HCN a "poor choice"?
>>>
>>>> That has already been explained numerous times on this newsgroup.
>>>>
>>>> The formula weight for HCN is 1+12+14 = 27, meaning that 22.4 litres
>>>> of this gas at STP has a mass of 27 grams.
>>>>
>>>> Air is a solution of oxygen and nitrogen in a 20:80 proportion, so
>>>> that 22.4 litres of it at STP would have a mass of 29 grams.
>>>>
>>>> Essentially, HCN will rise in air, not fall. Having ceiling holes to
>>>> add flea pellets would be the ultimate in bad design.
>>>
>>> You apparently don't realize that the HCN was not pumped into
>>> the chambers in gaseous form.  The SS used a solid carrier
>>> called Zyklon-B,  which was either lowered into the chambers
>>> or thrown on the floor.
>>>
>>> Further,  gases have this amazing property -- they mix.  You may
>>> consider that HCN was used to fumigate barracks,  houses,  and
>>> factories against rodents,  which usually live at floor level.  If
>>> all the HCN would rise to the ceiling,  how would it accomplish
>>> its task?
>>>
>>> Do some reading,  for Christ's sake.  For example,  you may
>>> want to compare the weight of oxygen and nitrogen.
>>
>> One might also note that the Nazis took advantage of their victims in a 
>> number of ways, including making use of their body temperature and breath 
>> to cause the air to move in the chambers, aiding the release and 
>> distribution of the gas.   Any movement, any crying or shouting, would 
>> hasten death.
>
>
>BBBWWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>
>What a fucking idiot you are keenan. A complete and utter fuckwit.

Keenan also forgets that according to holocaust™ lore, there were ten
people per square metre in the execution chamber, so any movement was
pretty much impossible. They wouldn't be able to even fall over when
they died. At 10 /m², the people would not be able to expand their
chest cavities and would rapidly succumb to asphyxiation, so that
addition of poison to the environment would be totally superfluous.


>
>
>>
>> -pk
>> 


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On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 16:32:02 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>Again, please identify what it is you claim is exaggerated,  and identify 
>exactly what modern physical research you claim does not support it.

Early in the postwar period, the claim was that there were hundreds of
extermination sites in Germany, and huge fatality claims were posted
for each of the camps by the allied authorities.

After a time, all the sites in Germany were examinated, carefully, and
the death claims fell to generally under 5% of allied initial claims.
The holocaust™ story then abandoned Germany and moved to Poland, where
the sites were conveniently out of reach of researchers.


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On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:26:59 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:3t969496veb0vl2u2ejmkbhnpdc91uc1b2@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:59:40 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"127.0.0.1"  wrote in message
>>>news:Lxqkk.5324$LF2.232@newsfe09.iad...
>>>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:45:10 -0400
>>>> "Patrick Keenan"  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "127.0.0.1"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:Ubpkk.5305$LF2.932@newsfe09.iad...
>>>>> > It has escaped the notice of most people that stories of a "Nazi
>>>>> > Holocaust" during World War II are actually impossible as regards
>>>>> > the chemistry of poisons. This can be verified by calling or
>>>>> > writing the American Cyanamid Co., Box 31, Linden, NJ 07036,
>>>>> > telephone (201) 862-6000, or by consulting standard reference works
>>>>> > such as the various editions (in particular the 11th) of the
>>>>> > Encyclopedia Britannica under "Hydrocyanic Acid", "Prussic Acid",
>>>>> > "Poisons", Gleason's Clinical Toxicology of Commercial Products, or
>>>>> > Legal Medicine and Toxicology by Peterson, Haines and Webster (2nd
>>>>> > edition). One might be permitted to ask:
>>>>>
>>>>> One might be permitted to ask what information or expertise the ACC
>>>>> has on the use of cyanide, particularly in the form of Zyklon, as a
>>>>> murder agent.
>>>>
>>>> Since Zyklon-B has never been used as a murder agent, that question
>>>> would be difficult to answer.
>>>
>>>In fact it has.
>>>
>>>Your very clumsy and ill-informed attempts at denial don't change either
>>>reality or history.
>>>
>>>>> One might be permitted to ask why, if Porter thinks that Zyklon works
>>>>> as advertised and is not as dangerous as its manufacturer and it
>>>>> label said it was,  why Degesch and the German Government required
>>>>> users to undergo special training and wear protective clothing and
>>>>> masks and so clearly marked the tins as deadly poison.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> One might ask how jews claimed to have went in and removed the people
>>>> who were gassed without the use of gas-mask and protective clothing.
>>>
>>>It's called ventilation, and gas masks were provided.
>>
>> They wouldn't be much benefit.
>
>You'd be wanting to tell Degesch that, then.
>
>>  I handled KCN in my university
>> chemistry courses, and we were told that it is quickly absorbed
>> through the skin with rapidly lethal results.
>
>Yes, cyanide is rapidly lethal to humans.   That's why the Nazis took 
>advantage of the large stocks they had on hand.
>
>> We were told that if
>> there is an accident, and somebody gets into contact with the KCN,
>> under NO CIRCUMSTANCES were we to touch the victim's clothing or the
>> victim, unless we wanted to join the victim on the floor.
>
>You have assigned yourself a  fairly large task with the claim you try to 
>make by way of  this comparison.
>
>HCN as supplied via Zyklon-B was in very common, everyday use as a fumigant 
>throughout Germany.    In fact, the camps ordered tons of it to fumigate a 
>wide variety of materials and structures.    It was not uncommon for homes 
>to be fumigated, homes that contained things like curtains, furniture, and 
>carpets, things not easily removed.
>
>Note that the homes typically didn't have the forced ventilation systems 
>that the fumigation chambers did.
>
>So what you need to do now, is show exactly what all these thousands and 
>thousands of people did to regain access to and use of their homes, or 
>handle all of this material and clothing that passed through the fumigation 
>chambers.
>
>Shall we wait?

If the previous part of your post is correct, then you have shown
quite clearly that the flea pellets would not work as an execution
agent. My parents lived in Germany for decades, and they have never
heard of anybody fumigating a house with HCN. Sulphur dioxide is what
is most commonly used for that purpose.


>
>
>> The cleanup crews in your fable seemed to have been completely immune
>> to the effects of the poison.
>
>Or you just don't understand that, or why,  you are wrong.
>
>And the Sonderkommando  were competely expendable, a fact brought to their 
>attention regularly.

Replacing the sonderkommando every few seconds would be a major pain
in the ass, not to mention that not much cleanup would take place.

>
>-pk
>
> 


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On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 01:28:09 +1000, The_Endeavor
 wrote:

>> The Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki killed about 250.000 people
>> and became the most dreadful slaughter of civilians in modern history.
>> 
>
>Read this you might learn something
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Casualties_by_count
>ry
>
>** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

Unfortunately, Wikipedia articles are not that reliable. The
population of Germany at the start of WW2 was 84 million (According to
Goode's American atlas) and not 69,000,000 as claimed in the Wikipedia
article. It is fraudulent to include Austrian casualties in Germany's,
and yet not include Austria's population within the contry of which it
was a part. That error skews the % loss calculations.

Too many of the figures show all the hallmarks of having been made to
conform to somebody's propaganda needs, as opposed to historical
accuracy.


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On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:39:22 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
wrote:

>
>"Joe Bruno"  wrote in message 
>news:0cd90a2d-d7c2-49a6-81ac-5e4acab3b2ea@p31g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>On Aug 6, 9:33 am, "Kurt Knoll"  wrote:
>> What promise
>
>
>
>This one, which I already posted above, you fucking idiot.
>
>Well, he invaded Holland after guaranteeing her neutrality:
>
>How long did Holland stay neutral. The same as with France he know the 
>British would be right on Germany front steps.
>Kurt Knoll.

You are quite right, Kurt. There was no choice. Britain and France
could not attack Germany without violating the neutrality of Belgium
and the Netherlands. The accusations about violating Holland's
neutrality are simply sophistry. The British had no problem violating
Iran's neutrality during the same conflict, so why get bent out of
shape over Germany?

>
>
>
>http://www.ww2sites.com/?action=jump&page=nlnetherlands
>
>
>
>


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On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 00:20:48 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
wrote:

>And all we know is your explanation. You are writing the books for more than 
>60 years and expect us to believe in you.
>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"Joe Bruno"  wrote in message 
>news:e13d0ba7-b05b-432d-8729-020c25ff58fe@r35g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>On Aug 6, 11:39 am, "Kurt Knoll"  wrote:
>> "Joe Bruno"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:0cd90a2d-d7c2-49a6-81ac-5e4acab3b2ea@p31g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 6, 9:33 am, "Kurt Knoll"  wrote:
>>
>> > What promise
>>
>> This one, which I already posted above, you fucking idiot.
>>
>> Well, he invaded Holland after guaranteeing her neutrality:
>>
>> How long did Holland stay neutral. The same as with France he know the
>> British would be right on Germany front steps.
>> Kurt Knoll.
>>
>> http://www.ww2sites.com/?action=jump&page=nlnetherlands
>
>
>
>It's hard to stay neutral with the fucking Nazis occupying your
>country.
>The Geneva convention allows neutral countries to repel invaders.
>If the damn Nazis had left Holland alone, they'd have one less enemy
>to fight.

That is nonsense Joe. Germany was pretty much obliged to control the
channel coast to get advance warning of British bombers and to
discourage British landing attempts. Had Germany respected Holland's
"neutrality", then there is no doubt that Britain and France would
have violated it. There is no other way to get to Germany.

>Your Adolf was one stupid motherfucker. 
>


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On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 17:46:36 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz 
wrote:

>On Aug 6, 5:54 am, "B. H. Cramer" 
>wrote:
>> "Joe Bruno"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:5002dc4e-0453-41ae-a2cc-64b8b4c7f85c@w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 6, 12:22 am, "B. H. Cramer" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Joe Bruno"  wrote in message
>>
>> >news:e541f179-a0a4-4e64-970a-d1a3f7543c8e@u12g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>> > On Aug 4, 2:34 pm, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
>>
>> > > On 3-Aug-2008, Michael  wrote:
>>
>> > > > On Aug 3, 6:24 pm, Joe Bruno  wrote:
>> > > > > On Aug 3, 2:58 am, "B. H. Cramer" 
>> > > > > > Good stuff, b'luto. The Jewnited States is morally bankrupt and is
>> > > > > > all
>> > > > > > but
>> > > > > > financially bankrupt, thanks to their support for and sucking up
>> > > > > > to
>> > > > > > Ersatz
>> > > > > > israel.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > > > > Americans don't need the advice of a lying ignorant, sex-obsessed
>> > > > > bigot on anything.
>> > > > > Your approval is unnecessary.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > > > Wasn't asked for flaming troll asshole.
>>
>> > > I beg to differ - KKKramer was, indeed, asking for it &
>> > > was definitely the only flaming troll @$$hole in question.
>>
>> > > Susan
>> > >I'm beginning to think Ragland has a morning ritual. He bangs his head
>> > >against a concrete wall
>>
>> > That's what yids do, b'luto. Haven't you ever seen them in action at the
>> > whining wall?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > - Show quoted text -
>> >1.Ragland is not Jewish
>>
>> PPPRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFFFFFFF??????????????????????????????????????
>>
>> >2.They don't bang their heads on the Wailing Wall.
>>
>> B'ullshit. You've never been there, you stupid retard.<
>
>I have, you stupid Nazi fuck! I played handball there the last time.
>
>> Of course they bang their heads on the fucking rocks.<
>
>No they don't. But even if they did, so what? At least they don't
>flagellate themselves like the bloody Shiites. You see those guys
>whipping themselves with chains until their backs are  a bloody mess?
>No matter how crazy some of the Hereidim may be, they can't hold a
>candle to the blood Muzzies.
>
>> >You know what tradition is, don't you, or are you completely ignorant
>> >on that subject, too?
>>
>> Unlike you b'luto, I've seen the rag headed clowns belting their empty
>> noggins on the rocks.<
>
>You're full of fucking shit. And what are you doing desecrating our
>holy places? 

It's a wall, jgarbuz, nothing more. It may be religion to you but it's
just superstition to the rest of us.

I always laugh when driving through the Jewish section of Toronto and
seeing all the people with black clothes, black hats, and dyed black
hair scurrying along the sidewalks. My usual thought is "What a quaint
and silly superstition."

>Only I'm allowed to play handball there, not you, you
>fucking Nazi turd!


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On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 02:02:44 -0400, Eli Grubman
 wrote:

>On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 17:46:36 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz 
>wrote:
>
>>On Aug 6, 5:54 am, "B. H. Cramer" 
>>wrote:
>>> "Joe Bruno"  wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:5002dc4e-0453-41ae-a2cc-64b8b4c7f85c@w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Aug 6, 12:22 am, "B. H. Cramer" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > "Joe Bruno"  wrote in message
>>>
>>> >news:e541f179-a0a4-4e64-970a-d1a3f7543c8e@u12g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>>> > On Aug 4, 2:34 pm, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
>>>
>>> > > On 3-Aug-2008, Michael  wrote:
>>>
>>> > > > On Aug 3, 6:24 pm, Joe Bruno  wrote:
>>> > > > > On Aug 3, 2:58 am, "B. H. Cramer" 
>>> > > > > > Good stuff, b'luto. The Jewnited States is morally bankrupt and is
>>> > > > > > all
>>> > > > > > but
>>> > > > > > financially bankrupt, thanks to their support for and sucking up
>>> > > > > > to
>>> > > > > > Ersatz
>>> > > > > > israel.- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> > > > > Americans don't need the advice of a lying ignorant, sex-obsessed
>>> > > > > bigot on anything.
>>> > > > > Your approval is unnecessary.- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>>>
>>> > > > Wasn't asked for flaming troll asshole.
>>>
>>> > > I beg to differ - KKKramer was, indeed, asking for it &
>>> > > was definitely the only flaming troll @$$hole in question.
>>>
>>> > > Susan
>>> > >I'm beginning to think Ragland has a morning ritual. He bangs his head
>>> > >against a concrete wall
>>>
>>> > That's what yids do, b'luto. Haven't you ever seen them in action at the
>>> > whining wall?- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> > - Show quoted text -
>>> >1.Ragland is not Jewish
>>>
>>> PPPRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFFFFFFF??????????????????????????????????????
>>>
>>> >2.They don't bang their heads on the Wailing Wall.
>>>
>>> B'ullshit. You've never been there, you stupid retard.<
>>
>>I have, you stupid Nazi fuck! I played handball there the last time.
>
>You mean you had your hands in your pockets???

He plays pocket-pool, does he?

>
>Eli


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On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:32:45 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
wrote:

>You are an undereducated idiot and do not have the foggiest idea ho things 
>work. Take the situation of Norway as an example. One can see that Great 
>Britain and Germany did have the same intentions. And this was to cut of the 
>supply line for war material, Where in this instance it was about the iron 
>ore supply. The British came 2 hour latter than the German.  You can be rest 
>assured if the British landed first. Norway would have been occupied by the 
>British instead.

That is pretty much a certainty. Britain has violated the neutrality
of all kinds of countries over the years. Until eclipsed by the USA,
the UK held the world record for the number of military involvements.
Britain was the world's most warlike country until the Americans took
over in more recent decades.

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"I'll Always Be Here"  wrote in message 
>news:Xns9AF39A7E9259CTheonlyonethatcares@87.106.137.111...
>> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in
>> news:tjKmk.63142$nD.35747@pd7urf1no:
>>
>>> Apparently neutral means to stay out of an conflict.
>>
>> Apparently? You mean you don't know what the word neutrality means and yet
>> you are defending germanys abuse of Hollands neutrality? Why didn't
>> germany stay out of the conflict?
>>
>>
>>
>>> Certainly France and Holland did not have any intentions of being
>> neutral
>>
>>
>> France never intended to be neutral. Where have you been? Holland WAS
>> neutral, germany guaranteed their neutrality. How could germany guraantee
>> Hollands neutrality if Holland wasn't neutral?
>>
>>
>>> and we all know why. Kurt Knoll.
>>
>>
>> Why?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> "I'll Always Be Here"  wrote in message
>>> news:Xns9AF395EEAED9FTheonlyonethatcares@87.106.137.111...
>>>> Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in
>>>> news:03nm94p2b645rq5le1p5gultgpdb88ksck@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 00:20:48 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>And all we know is your explanation. You are writing the books for
>>>>>>more than 60 years and expect us to believe in you.
>>>>>>Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Joe Bruno"  wrote in message
>>>>>>news:e13d0ba7-b05b-432d-8729-
>>>> 020c25ff58fe@r35g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>On Aug 6, 11:39 am, "Kurt Knoll"  wrote:
>>>>>>> "Joe Bruno"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> news:0cd90a2d-d7c2-49a6-81ac-
>>>> 5e4acab3b2ea@p31g2000prf.googlegroups.com.
>>>>>>> .. On Aug 6, 9:33 am, "Kurt Knoll"  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > What promise
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This one, which I already posted above, you fucking idiot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, he invaded Holland after guaranteeing her neutrality:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How long did Holland stay neutral. The same as with France he know
>>>>>>> the British would be right on Germany front steps.
>>>>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.ww2sites.com/?action=jump&page=nlnetherlands
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's hard to stay neutral with the fucking Nazis occupying your
>>>>>>country.
>>>>>>The Geneva convention allows neutral countries to repel invaders.
>>>>>>If the damn Nazis had left Holland alone, they'd have one less enemy
>>>>>>to fight.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is nonsense Joe. Germany was pretty much obliged to control the
>>>>> channel coast to get advance warning of British bombers and to
>>>>> discourage British landing attempts. Had Germany respected Holland's
>>>>> "neutrality", then there is no doubt that Britain and France would
>>>>> have violated it. There is no other way to get to Germany.
>>>>
>>>> And had Britian and France violated Hollands neutrality, it would have
>>>> resulted in quite a debacle...what with being surrounded by germans.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Your Adolf was one stupid motherfucker.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> 
>


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On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:35:16 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
wrote:

>No go back to your kindergarten and get your lollypop.

The guy is an illiterate clown, which is exactly why I have the silly
bastard on a filter. He is a racist to boot.

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"I'll Always Be Here"  wrote in message 
>news:Xns9AF39EF06E641Theonlyonethatcares@87.106.137.111...
>> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in
>> news:hKKmk.63164$nD.24391@pd7urf1no:
>>
>>> You are an undereducated idiot and do not have the foggiest idea ho
>>> things work.
>>
>>
>> What sort of education did you receive? Why do you always lie?
>>
>>
>> Take the situation of Norway as an example. One can see
>>> that Great Britain and Germany did have the same intentions. And this
>>> was to cut of the supply line for war material, Where in this instance
>>> it was about the iron ore supply. The British came 2 hour latter than
>>> the German.
>>
>> So, in fact germany did invade Norway and Britian didn't.
>>
>>
>>  You can be rest assured if the British landed first. Norway
>>> would have been occupied by the British instead.
>>
>> And if pigs flew they would be called knolls.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Now tell us more about how germany respected Hollands neutrality. Tell us
>> more about France intending to be neutral.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>
>>> "I'll Always Be Here"  wrote in message
>>> news:Xns9AF39A7E9259CTheonlyonethatcares@87.106.137.111...
>>>> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in
>>>> news:tjKmk.63142$nD.35747@pd7urf1no:
>>>>
>>>>> Apparently neutral means to stay out of an conflict.
>>>>
>>>> Apparently? You mean you don't know what the word neutrality means and
>>>> yet you are defending germanys abuse of Hollands neutrality? Why didn't
>>>> germany stay out of the conflict?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Certainly France and Holland did not have any intentions of being
>>>> neutral
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> France never intended to be neutral. Where have you been? Holland WAS
>>>> neutral, germany guaranteed their neutrality. How could germany
>>>> guraantee Hollands neutrality if Holland wasn't neutral?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> and we all know why. Kurt Knoll.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "I'll Always Be Here"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:Xns9AF395EEAED9FTheonlyonethatcares@87.106.137.111...
>>>>>> Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in
>>>>>> news:03nm94p2b645rq5le1p5gultgpdb88ksck@4ax.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 00:20:48 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And all we know is your explanation. You are writing the books for
>>>>>>>>more than 60 years and expect us to believe in you.
>>>>>>>>Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Joe Bruno"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:e13d0ba7-b05b-432d-8729-
>>>>>> 020c25ff58fe@r35g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>On Aug 6, 11:39 am, "Kurt Knoll"  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Joe Bruno"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> news:0cd90a2d-d7c2-49a6-81ac-
>>>>>> 5e4acab3b2ea@p31g2000prf.googlegroups.com.
>>>>>>>>> .. On Aug 6, 9:33 am, "Kurt Knoll"  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > What promise
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This one, which I already posted above, you fucking idiot.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, he invaded Holland after guaranteeing her neutrality:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How long did Holland stay neutral. The same as with France he know
>>>>>>>>> the British would be right on Germany front steps.
>>>>>>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.ww2sites.com/?action=jump&page=nlnetherlands
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It's hard to stay neutral with the fucking Nazis occupying your
>>>>>>>>country.
>>>>>>>>The Geneva convention allows neutral countries to repel invaders.
>>>>>>>>If the damn Nazis had left Holland alone, they'd have one less enemy
>>>>>>>>to fight.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is nonsense Joe. Germany was pretty much obliged to control the
>>>>>>> channel coast to get advance warning of British bombers and to
>>>>>>> discourage British landing attempts. Had Germany respected Holland's
>>>>>>> "neutrality", then there is no doubt that Britain and France would
>>>>>>> have violated it. There is no other way to get to Germany.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And had Britian and France violated Hollands neutrality, it would
>>>>>> have resulted in quite a debacle...what with being surrounded by
>>>>>> germans.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Your Adolf was one stupid motherfucker.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> 
>


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On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:00:05 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
wrote:

>Basically I would say they out of realty and education. They do indeed make 
>a lot of accusation without engaging their brain or logic. How many times 
>have we seen pictures of civilians killed by the Germans. What are the true 
>facts ? Under the Geneva conventions civilians who engage in shooting on the 
>enemy are not considered Civilians but are classified as Terrorists. Take 
>Klaus Barbie ?? as an example. He did kill terrorists indeed but was charged 
>with killing civilians. I call this circumventing the law an interpretation 
>to get an convictions. I have see many pictures her of what the Germans 
>apparently did. As for the captions below it I would say many of them are 
>ambiguous to create a distortion of the facts. PS the name calling from them 
>I would say is only an act of desperation

The Americans executed partisans in Vietnam, but then everything
Americans do is OK by definition.  LOL

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:7tmm949dmpocarqd2ejhum9st7v7ukrqfi@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:39:22 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Joe Bruno"  wrote in message
>>>news:0cd90a2d-d7c2-49a6-81ac-5e4acab3b2ea@p31g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>>On Aug 6, 9:33 am, "Kurt Knoll"  wrote:
>>>> What promise
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>This one, which I already posted above, you fucking idiot.
>>>
>>>Well, he invaded Holland after guaranteeing her neutrality:
>>>
>>>How long did Holland stay neutral. The same as with France he know the
>>>British would be right on Germany front steps.
>>>Kurt Knoll.
>>
>> You are quite right, Kurt. There was no choice. Britain and France
>> could not attack Germany without violating the neutrality of Belgium
>> and the Netherlands. The accusations about violating Holland's
>> neutrality are simply sophistry. The British had no problem violating
>> Iran's neutrality during the same conflict, so why get bent out of
>> shape over Germany?
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>http://www.ww2sites.com/?action=jump&page=nlnetherlands
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>


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On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:48:19 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
wrote:

>You mean there was no border between France and Germany, better think twice.

Naturally, but that would be the most difficult path to take. The only
flat, easily traversed land between Germany and France is via the
lowlands (Belgium and the Netherlands)

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
>news:EfmdnSQ3Y5crzgHVnZ2dnUVZ_rPinZ2d@vex.net...
>> In article <03nm94p2b645rq5le1p5gultgpdb88ksck@4ax.com>,
>> Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>That is nonsense Joe. Germany was pretty much obliged to control the
>>>channel coast to get advance warning of British bombers and to
>>>discourage British landing attempts. Had Germany respected Holland's
>>>"neutrality", then there is no doubt that Britain and France would
>>>have violated it. There is no other way to get to Germany.
>>
>> To get to Germany from France requires a trip through Holland, Leading
>> Revisionist Scholar v. Ebersdorf? That must come as a distinct shock to
>> the French.
>>
>> You have claimed that "All the Nürnberg documents presented by the
>> allies are copies of a copy and none of the originals have ever been
>> found," In fact, the originals are held in the Yale Law Library.
>>
>>
>> You have claimed that the Jewish death toll must have been under 500,000,
>> but have yet to provide supporting data, or show that scholars' estimates
>> of millions of casualties are deliberate fabrications.
>>
>> You have failed to document your assertion that some "German puppet
>> regime" accepted German responsibility for the Katyn massacre, which
>> is patent nonsense.
>>
>> You have not proven your assertion that American bases in Germany may
>> contain graves of the "victims" of the "Eisenhower death camps," and
>> you have yet to document your claim that "The victims were generally
>> taken away by dumptruck each morning" and "buried in mass graves in and
>> around the city."
>>
>> Please support your claim that, "The Poles have always been dramatically
>> more anti-Semitic than Germans ever were" by providing academic source
>> studies.
>>
>> Which "Dachau story" was it that "collapsed in 1946," as you
>> claimed on July 22, 2008?
>>
>> For instance, can you tell us, using documentary citations, who
>> made the "suggestions" you referenced on July 19th when you wrote,
>> "Eye witness testimony is so unreliable that there have been
>> suggestions that it should not be used in a trial in the absence
>> of physical evidence such as DNA, fingerprints, etc."
>>
>> We're still waiting for your documentation about those
>> documents introduced into evidence at Nurnberg which you claim were
>> available in English long before they were available in German.
>>
>> We're also still waiting for your documentary evidence that most of
>> the Nurnberg evidenciary documents were forgeries.
>>
>> You have yet to prove that "The allies were the authors of Terror
>> Bombing," as you claimed on July 18, 2008.
>>
>> -- 
>> "Fritz is making of himself the Brittany Spears of the
>> revisionist world..." (Bradley Smith of Friedrich Paul
>> Berg, Leading Revisionist Scholars both, on Bradley
>> Smith's Mailing List, Jan. 18, 2008) 
>


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On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 17:50:49 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
wrote:

>The Germans are no back shooters and next to no terrorists. In Germany they 
>were never allowed to have arms at home the exception was when thy did have 
>a hunting license.

The poor jerk "I'll Alway Be Here" is obviously out-to-lunch when it
comes to the history of the allied occupation. The allies regularly
murdered civilians, took hostages in towns and villages, raped people,
and generally behaved like complete louts.

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"I'll Always Be Here"  wrote in message 
>news:Xns9AF46D75BE73FTheonlyonethatcares@87.106.137.111...
>> Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in
>> news:qpho945406dv1lvhog9d415jnpn4ovmkfg@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:00:05 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Basically I would say they out of realty and education. They do indeed
>>>>make a lot of accusation without engaging their brain or logic. How many
>>>>times have we seen pictures of civilians killed by the Germans. What are
>>>>the true facts ? Under the Geneva conventions civilians who engage in
>>>>shooting on the enemy are not considered Civilians but are classified as
>>>>Terrorists. Take Klaus Barbie ?? as an example. He did kill terrorists
>>>>indeed but was charged with killing civilians. I call this circumventing
>>>>the law an interpretation to get an convictions. I have see many
>>>>pictures her of what the Germans apparently did. As for the captions
>>>>below it I would say many of them are ambiguous to create a distortion
>>>>of the facts. PS the name calling from them I would say is only an act
>>>>of desperation
>>>
>>> The Americans executed partisans in Vietnam, but then everything
>>> Americans do is OK by definition.  LOL
>>
>>
>> But they didn't execute partisans or civilians in germany.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>Kurt Knoll.
>>>>
>>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>news:7tmm949dmpocarqd2ejhum9st7v7ukrqfi@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:39:22 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Joe Bruno"  wrote in message
>>>>>>news:0cd90a2d-d7c2-49a6-81ac-
>> 5e4acab3b2ea@p31g2000prf.googlegroups.com.
>>>>>>.. On Aug 6, 9:33 am, "Kurt Knoll"  wrote:
>>>>>>> What promise
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This one, which I already posted above, you fucking idiot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, he invaded Holland after guaranteeing her neutrality:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>How long did Holland stay neutral. The same as with France he know the
>>>>>>British would be right on Germany front steps.
>>>>>>Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are quite right, Kurt. There was no choice. Britain and France
>>>>> could not attack Germany without violating the neutrality of Belgium
>>>>> and the Netherlands. The accusations about violating Holland's
>>>>> neutrality are simply sophistry. The British had no problem violating
>>>>> Iran's neutrality during the same conflict, so why get bent out of
>>>>> shape over Germany?
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.ww2sites.com/?action=jump&page=nlnetherlands
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> 
>


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On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 18:42:45 +0300, "halle"  wrote:

>heinrich (heinrich@ruhrgasnet.de) wrote:
>> The management of the Auschwitz death camp museum said Wednesday that
>> it needs millions of euros to maintain the vast site, saying that the
>> ruins of the gas chambers and the wooden barracks that held inmates
>> are under threat.
>
>Let the Russians rebuild everything, again. 
>

Walt Disney pays for its own fable sites, and so should the Russians.



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On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 15:28:55 -0400, "Jgarbuz" 
wrote:

>
>"halle"  wrote in message
>news:JRZmk.46519$_03.7613@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
>> heinrich (heinrich@ruhrgasnet.de) wrote:
>> > The management of the Auschwitz death camp museum said Wednesday that
>> > it needs millions of euros to maintain the vast site, saying that the
>> > ruins of the gas chambers and the wooden barracks that held inmates
>> > are under threat.
>>
>> Let the Russians rebuild everything, again. <
>
>Why not have the Germans rebuild it again? After all, they know best. THey
>have the experience.

It is a Soviet fable, so the story-tellers should bear the costs of
maintaining the fable. It is not the responsibility of the German
taxpayer.

>
>
>** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **


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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:00:40 +0200, ZULU  wrote:

>I'll Always Be Here wrote:
>
>> ZULU  wrote in news:g7ndoq$q3s$3@aioe.org:
>> 
>> 
>>>I'll Always Be Here wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>ZULU  wrote in news:g79jje$9m2$1@aioe.org:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I'll Always Be Here wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>ZULU  wrote in news:g77cjk$dnc$1@aioe.org:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'll Always Be Here wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>ZULU  wrote in news:g726la$ogm$2@aioe.org:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>100 people X 2400BTUs/person /60minutes/hr = 4KBTUs/minute
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>15 minutes would have created 60KBTUs or just under 20KW of heat
>>>>>>>>>>which is 10 times more than your heater.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Show your formula Room's Temp vs time, idiot, it's all I want, no
>>>>>>>>>speculations. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Where is the speculation. Can you provide proof that anything in my
>>>>>>>>formula is wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Which formula?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>100 people X 2400BTUs/person /60minutes/hr = 4KBTUs/minute
>>>>>
>>>>>And ?
>>>>>Is that what you call a function expressing Room's temperature versus
>>>>>Time? 
>>>>>
>>>>>For instance, In how many minutes can you reach 15ºC starting from -
>> 
>> 10ºC
>> 
>>>>>in a room of 509 m3 of volume ?
>>>>>
>>>>less than 15 minutes...when the bodies are struggling.
>>>
>>>Again speculation, show the formula which suppoerts your speculation.
>>> 
>> I have repeatedly.
>
>Bullshit you didn't give ANY FORMULA
>
>I repeat
>
>Room's T (ºC) = F(time)
>
>GIve F, idiot, that's what is the formula

Zulu, the guy clearly does not know the function of time involved.
Most of his crap is totally devoid of any intelligent content.


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On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:22:01 -0400, Jim 
wrote:

>ZULU  wrote: 
>> Furthermore, give us a *testimony* from a *sonderkommando* or any another convenient 
>> eyewitness which tells about a previous *gas testing* before entering the *gas chambers* 
>> after *killing* people there.
>> 
>The Nazis were typical Germans, they kept extensive and detailed records of 
>it all.
>
>We all know that Nazis are liars,

They were mere amateurs at deception compared to the allies.

> but why would they lie about something like 
>that stuff?


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On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 10:15:19 +1000, "B. H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Jgarbuz"  wrote in message 
>news:b38a9$489c9f25$1893@news.teranews.com...
>>
>> "Eli Grubman"  wrote in message
>> news:9fqo94tjbr5op6hbljlqm46pf8ab0vavsb@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:23:12 +0200, "heinrich" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>
>> ...
>>
>>> >The museum, set up in 1947, receives 10 million zlotys ($5 million)
>> annually

I guess that those most be new zlotys, since the last time I looked at
the exchange rate one could buy 20,000 zlotys for ONE Mark.

>>> >from the Polish government and earns another 10 million zlotys by
>> publishing
>>> >survivor accounts, screening documentaries to visitors and from guide
>> fees.
>>
>>> >Only some 750,000 zlotys ($370,000) per year come from private donations
>>> >from abroad.
>>>
>>> And nothing, presumably, from 'Israel'.<
>>
>> Why should they?  Did they send Palestinians to work and die there? Those
>> who were killing and robbing Jews should pay for the cemetary upkeep.
>> Anyhow, the Poles make money from tourists there.
>
>The Polish yids make money from tourists there, garbageguz.
>
>
>


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On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 02:18:42 -0700, "Protagonist" 
wrote:

>
>"B. H. Cramer"  wrote in message 
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>>
>> "Jgarbuz"  wrote in message 
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>>>
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>>> news:9fqo94tjbr5op6hbljlqm46pf8ab0vavsb@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:23:12 +0200, "heinrich" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> >The museum, set up in 1947, receives 10 million zlotys ($5 million)
>>> annually
>>>> >from the Polish government and earns another 10 million zlotys by
>>> publishing
>>>> >survivor accounts, screening documentaries to visitors and from guide
>>> fees.
>>>
>>>> >Only some 750,000 zlotys ($370,000) per year come from private 
>>>> >donations
>>>> >from abroad.
>>>>
>>>> And nothing, presumably, from 'Israel'.<
>>>
>>> Why should they?  Did they send Palestinians to work and die there? Those
>>> who were killing and robbing Jews should pay for the cemetary upkeep.
>>> Anyhow, the Poles make money from tourists there.
>>
>> The Polish yids make money from tourists there, garbageguz.
>
>No one can make money on Jews!!!!
>That's why the Auschwitz museum going bankrupt, Germany stopped paying.

I wish they would, but I'm not sure that the current allied stooges
administering Germany have the guts to do that.

>JS
>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>


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On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 10:24:42 +1000, "B. H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
>news:kdidnYp45d86xgHVnZ2dnUVZ_t7inZ2d@vex.net...
>> In article ,
>> Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>>>On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:35:16 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>No go back to your kindergarten and get your lollypop.
>>>
>>>The guy is an illiterate clown, which is exactly why I have the silly
>>>bastard on a filter. He is a racist to boot.
>>
>> 96 Statements Demonstrating Leading Revisionist Scholar Kurt Knoll's
>> strict adherence to the high intellectual standards of Holocaust denial:
>
>Your entire nizkor shite site is nothing but bullshit, faigelah.
>
The last time I looked at the site, that was my impression also. It is
just empty anti-German hate propaganda.


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On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 13:58:24 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
wrote:

>Very Interesting McVay  when he is 69 years old now how old was he when he 
>was a member of the SS.

It is that kind of nonsense that finally convinced me that the
holocaust™ was utter crap. If the guy is 69 years of age, then he was
born the year the war started and was six years of age when it ended.
You are quite right to ask what kind of an SS man he could possibly
have been at age three or four.

>
>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
>news:Lqadnf3_76JouADVnZ2dnUVZ_tfinZ2d@vex.net...
>> Here is a press release from the U.S. Department of Justice.
>>
>> Former Concentration Camp Guard Permanently Leaves U.S.
>> To: National Desk, Illinois Correspondent
>> Contact: U.S. Department of Justice, 202-514-2007
>>
>>   WASHINGTON, Jan. 28  -- The Department of Justice
>> announced today that an admitted SS guard at a Nazi concentration
>> camp in Germany in World War II, who earlier was stripped of his
>> United States citizenship by the federal government, has left the
>> United States and agreed never to return to this country.
>>   The department said that Michael Schmidt, 69, of Lincolnwood,
>> Ill., a retired janitor, went to Austria, en route to permanent
>> residence in Germany, following his admission to federal authorities
>> that he was legally deportable.
>>   Schmidt left the U.S. after signing an agreement with the Office
>> of Special Investigations (OSI) of the Criminal Division of the
>> department promising never to return to this country and stating that
>> he did not contest OSI allegations that he:
>>   1. Participated in the Nazi-sponsored persecution of civilians
>> while serving as an armed concentration camp guard and member of the
>> SS-Totenkopf Sturmbann (SS Death's Head Battalion) at Sachsenhausen
>> concentration camp in Germany.
>>   2. Misrepresented his wartime activities for the purpose of
>> gaining admission to the U.S.
>>   OSI Director Neal M. Sher said Schmidt signed the agreement in
>> order to avoid trial in a deportation action instituted against him
>> by OSI in December 1991.  In January 1990, Schmidt was stripped of
>> his U.S. citizenship by the U.S. District Court in Chicago.
>>   The court found that Schmidt assisted in the persecution of
>> Sachsenhausen prisoners on the basis of their race, religion, or
>> national origin.  The decision was upheld by the U.S. Court of
>> Appeals for the Seventh Circuit in January 1991.  The U.S. Supreme
>> Court subsequently refused Schmidt's request to review the case.
>>   The Sachsenhausen concentration camp was the scene of numerous
>> atrocities -- including shootings, hangings, gassings, whippings, and
>> a variety of grotesque medical experiments conducted on U.S.
>> prisoners of war, Jews, Gypsies, Jehovah's Witnesses, Eastern
>> European nationals and political prisoners.  Of the 200,000 prisoners
>> interned at Sachsenhausen, more than 100,000 died.
>>   The Schmidt case is a result of OSI's continuing investigation of
>> Nazi persecutors residing illegally in the United States, Sher said.
>> To date, 44 Nazi persecutors have been stripped of U.S. citizenship
>> as a result of OSI's investigations and prosecutions, and 34 persons
>> have been removed from the United States.  More than 500 persons
>> currently are under OSI investigation, Sher said.
>> -30-
>> -- 
>> Nigel Allen, Toronto, Ontario    ndallen@r-node.pci.on.ca
>>
>> -- 
>> "Streicher commit suicide while in the Nuremberg Jail But you
>> people did hang him after that"
>> (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Moron)
>> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/ 
>


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On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:13:24 +0200, ZULU  wrote:

>I'll Always Be Here wrote:
>
>> pekingcat@hushmail.com wrote in news:95aba8d8-73c3-412f-a8b7-38e1cad35755
>> @b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
>> 
>> 
>>>On Aug 9, 1:07 am, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Here is a press release from the U.S. Department of Justice.
>>>>
>>>> Former Concentration Camp Guard Permanently Leaves U.S.
>>>> To: National Desk, Illinois Correspondent
>>>> Contact: U.S. Department of Justice, 202-514-2007
>>>>
>>>>   WASHINGTON, Jan. 28  -- The Department of Justice
>>>>announced today that an admitted SS guard at a Nazi concentration
>>>>camp in Germany in World War II, who earlier was stripped of his
>>>>United States citizenship by the federal government, has left the
>>>>United States and agreed never to return to this country.
>>>>   The department said that Michael Schmidt, 69, of Lincolnwood,
>>>>Ill., a retired janitor, went to Austria, en route to permanent
>>>>residence in Germany, following his admission to federal authorities
>>>>that he was legally deportable.
>>>>   Schmidt left the U.S. after signing an agreement with the Office
>>>>of Special Investigations (OSI) of the Criminal Division of the
>>>>department promising never to return to this country and stating that
>>>>he did not contest OSI allegations that he:
>>>>   1. Participated in the Nazi-sponsored persecution of civilians
>>>>while serving as an armed concentration camp guard and member of the
>>>>SS-Totenkopf Sturmbann (SS Death's Head Battalion) at Sachsenhausen
>>>>concentration camp in Germany.
>>>>   2. Misrepresented his wartime activities for the purpose of
>>>>gaining admission to the U.S.
>>>>   OSI Director Neal M. Sher said Schmidt signed the agreement in
>>>>order to avoid trial in a deportation action instituted against him
>>>>by OSI in December 1991.  In January 1990, Schmidt was stripped of
>>>>his U.S. citizenship by the U.S. District Court in Chicago.
>>>>   The court found that Schmidt assisted in the persecution of
>>>>Sachsenhausen prisoners on the basis of their race, religion, or
>>>>national origin.  The decision was upheld by the U.S. Court of
>>>>Appeals for the Seventh Circuit in January 1991.  The U.S. Supreme
>>>>Court subsequently refused Schmidt's request to review the case.
>>>>   The Sachsenhausen concentration camp was the scene of numerous
>>>>atrocities -- including shootings, hangings, gassings, whippings, and
>>>>a variety of grotesque medical experiments conducted on U.S.
>>>>prisoners of war, Jews, Gypsies, Jehovah's Witnesses, Eastern
>>>>European nationals and political prisoners.  Of the 200,000 prisoners
>>>>interned at Sachsenhausen, more than 100,000 died.
>>>>   The Schmidt case is a result of OSI's continuing investigation of
>>>>Nazi persecutors residing illegally in the United States, Sher said.
>>>>To date, 44 Nazi persecutors have been stripped of U.S. citizenship
>>>>as a result of OSI's investigations and prosecutions, and 34 persons
>>>>have been removed from the United States.  More than 500 persons
>>>>currently are under OSI investigation, Sher said.
>>>> -30-
>>>>--
>>>>Nigel Allen, Toronto, Ontario    ndal...@r-node.pci.on.ca
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>"Streicher commit suicide while in the Nuremberg Jail But you
>>>>people did hang him after that"
>>>>(Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Moron)
>>>>The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.niz
>>>
>>>kor.org/
>>>
>>>Yeah and Ike's death camps were also scenes of numerous atrocities you
>>>PC moron.
>> 
>> 
>> Please, when propogating that lie, don't fail to mention the million dead 
>> POWs in the camp.
>> 
>> 
>
>Of course, everybody knows that ANY POW died at Ike's camps.
>There were the DEF who did.

The wonderful Americans changed the designation from POW to DEF for
the express purpose of avoiding Red Cross inspections and other
international oversight.


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On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:20:33 -0400, Suevian 
wrote:

>Joe Bruno wrote:
>> Lots of you deniers claim Ken McVay is lying in his material on the
>> Nizkor website.
>> Just for you, I've got another source for alot of the same
>> information.
>> Try Yale University's Avalon Project. Yale is one of the most
>> prestigious Ivy League Schools.

The illiterate cretin George W. Bush graduated from there, so
obviously the degrees can be purchased as well as earned. Having
George as a graduate pretty much wipes out the academic credentials of
this institution. It is just another corrupt, phony, American sewer.

>> Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>> From: "Joe Bruno" 
>> Date: 5 Mar 2005 11:42:30 -0800
>> Local: Sat, Mar 5 2005 12:42 pm
>> Subject: The Avalon Project on the Nuremberg Trials
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/imt.htm#proc
>
>The best source around for debunking Halocaustianity.


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On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:08:58 -0700 (PDT), pekingcat@hushmail.com
wrote:

>On Aug 10, 5:04 pm, Tim Miller 
>wrote:
>> peking...@hushmail.com wrote:
>> > On Aug 10, 4:32 pm, Tim Miller 
>> > wrote:
>> >> halle wrote:
>> >>> I still salute the Führer.
>> >> The cowardly fuck who shot himself and was burned in
>> >> a muddy ditch?
>>
>> >> Why??
>>
>> > I don't salute Hitler, but the man did possess balls of iron.  
>>
>> In his mouth. He was one bizarre mother (well, actually, cousin)
>> fucker.
>
>Bizarre?  He brought Germany out of the Versailles treaty gutter.

That, in allied eyes, was his principal crime. The allies would have
involved anybody who managed to revive Germany's fortunes in a ruinous
war. WW2 was launched by Britain and France in an attempt to make
Versailles stick.


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On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:10:46 -0400, Tim Miller
 wrote:

>pekingcat@hushmail.com wrote:
>> On Aug 10, 5:04 pm, Tim Miller 
>> wrote:
>>> peking...@hushmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Aug 10, 4:32 pm, Tim Miller 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> halle wrote:
>>>>>> I still salute the Führer.
>>>>> The cowardly fuck who shot himself and was burned in
>>>>> a muddy ditch?
>>>>> Why??
>>>> I don't salute Hitler, but the man did possess balls of iron.  
>>> In his mouth. He was one bizarre mother (well, actually, cousin)
>>> fucker.
>> 
>> Bizarre?  
>
>Yes. Bizarre. He was a homosexual half-jew that fucked his cousin
>and enjoyed pissing on his women.

It is extremely unlikely that Hitler was homosexual. The rest of your
diatribe doesn't strike me as very probable either.

>
>That pretty much covers "bizarre" among us normal
>folks. YOUR mileage may vary.


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On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:15:15 -0400, Tim Miller
 wrote:

>pekingcat@hushmail.com wrote:
>> On Aug 10, 5:10 pm, Tim Miller 
>> wrote:
>>> peking...@hushmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Aug 10, 5:04 pm, Tim Miller 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> peking...@hushmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Aug 10, 4:32 pm, Tim Miller 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> halle wrote:
>>>>>>>> I still salute the Führer.
>>>>>>> The cowardly fuck who shot himself and was burned in
>>>>>>> a muddy ditch?
>>>>>>> Why??
>>>>>> I don't salute Hitler, but the man did possess balls of iron.  
>>>>> In his mouth. He was one bizarre mother (well, actually, cousin)
>>>>> fucker.
>>>> Bizarre?  
>>> Yes. Bizarre. He was a homosexual half-jew that fucked his cousin
>>> and enjoyed pissing on his women.
>>>
>>> That pretty much covers "bizarre" among us normal
>>> folks. YOUR mileage may vary.
>> 
>> A little spice in a man's life is a good thing.
>
>Like I said, pervert, YOUR mileage may vary.

Well, Timmy, you are the one making the outrageous and unsubstantiated
claims. Please keep your demented fantasies to yourself.


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On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:01:23 -0400, Tim Miller
 wrote:

>pekingcat@hushmail.com wrote:
>> On Aug 10, 6:55 pm, Tim Miller 
>> wrote:
>>> peking...@hushmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Aug 10, 5:59 pm, Tim Miller 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> peking...@hushmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Aug 10, 5:44 pm, Tim Miller 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> peking...@hushmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Aug 10, 5:15 pm, Tim Miller 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> peking...@hushmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 10, 5:10 pm, Tim Miller 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> peking...@hushmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 10, 5:04 pm, Tim Miller 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> peking...@hushmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 10, 4:32 pm, Tim Miller 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> halle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I still salute the Führer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The cowardly fuck who shot himself and was burned in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a muddy ditch?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't salute Hitler, but the man did possess balls of iron.  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In his mouth. He was one bizarre mother (well, actually, cousin)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fucker.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bizarre?  
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. Bizarre. He was a homosexual half-jew that fucked his cousin
>>>>>>>>>>> and enjoyed pissing on his women.
>>>>>>>>>>> That pretty much covers "bizarre" among us normal
>>>>>>>>>>> folks. YOUR mileage may vary.
>>>>>>>>>> A little spice in a man's life is a good thing.
>>>>>>>>> Like I said, pervert, YOUR mileage may vary.
>>>>>>>> You are a missionary man.
>>>>>>> You're (obviously) an off-topic idiot.
>>>>>> It's not difficult being off topic when conversing
>>>>> You're not "conversing" sonny. You're avoiding the topic.
>>>>> No one is surprised.
>>>> I'll surprise you on Halloween when I turn into a pumpkin and go 'boo'
>>>> on your ass.
>>> No, cupcake, you won't.
>> 
>> Well what if I dressed up as Casper and said boo!  What that frighten
>> you?
>
>You're kind of an idiot, aren't you?

If you want to see an idiot, Timmy, look in a mirror.

>
>Never mind. That was a rhetorical question.


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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:40:04 +0300, "halle" 
wrote:

>Tim Miller (replytonewsgroup@invalid.invalid) wrote:
>> pekingcat@hushmail.com wrote:
>>> On Aug 10, 5:04 pm, Tim Miller 
>>> wrote:
>>>> peking...@hushmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Aug 10, 4:32 pm, Tim Miller 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> halle wrote:
>>>>>>> I still salute the Führer.
>>>>>> The cowardly fuck who shot himself and was burned in
>>>>>> a muddy ditch?
>>>>>> Why??
>>>>> I don't salute Hitler, but the man did possess balls of iron.
>>>> In his mouth. He was one bizarre mother (well, actually, cousin)
>>>> fucker.
>>>
>>> Bizarre?
>>
>> Yes. Bizarre. He was a homosexual half-jew that fucked his cousin
>> and enjoyed pissing on his women.
>
>The jews have wild imaginations. 
>
Timmy appears to be a few sandwiches short of a picnic.


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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 03:28:55 -0700 (PDT), LIBERATOR
 wrote:

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_0qZ6_wC8o
>
>Pat Buchanan attempts to shift history with his new book just
>published.
>
>"Churchill Hitler and the Un-necessary War".
>
There is a similar thesis published a number of years earlier by the
American historian David L. Hogan, entitled "Der Unnötige Krieg",
which is essentially the same title but in German.


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From: Johannes von Ebersdorf 
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Subject: Re: Pat Buchanan knows his Hitler, but says holocaust happened [?]
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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 04:05:16 -0700 (PDT), LIBERATOR
 wrote:

>Is Buchanan lying in saying he believes the holocaust happened in
>order to not get snubbed and ignored?
>
>He delivers great accurate facts regarding Hitler not wanting war, and
>the truth of political struggles that went on and how Hitler saw them.
>I figure he knows the holocaust didn't happen but it's best not to say
>that so people don't close their ears to him. He's truly trying to
>convert people -revise them.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7dW0-JaOsk

Another interesting book on the period leading up to WW2 is "The
Origins of the Second World War" by AJP Taylor. Taylor is no friend of
Germany, but he quite clearly shows who engineered WW2, and it wasn't
Germany.


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Subject: Re: The Avalon Project on the Nuremberg Trials
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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:08:21 -0400, Suevian 
wrote:

>Joe Bruno wrote:
>> On Aug 11, 9:26 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>>On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:20:33 -0400, Suevian 
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Joe Bruno wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Lots of you deniers claim Ken McVay is lying in his material on the
>>>>>Nizkor website.
>>>>>Just for you, I've got another source for alot of the same
>>>>>information.
>>>>>Try Yale University's Avalon Project. Yale is one of the most
>>>>>prestigious Ivy League Schools.
>>>
>>>The illiterate cretin George W. Bush graduated from there, so
>>>obviously the degrees can be purchased as well as earned. Having
>>>George as a graduate pretty much wipes out the academic credentials of
>>>this institution. It is just another corrupt, phony, American sewer.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Really? He is President of the United States 

It shows the essential worthlessness of THAT office. 

>and served two terms as
>> Governor of Texas.

It shows that Texans are mindlessly stupid.




>> Tell us how successful you've been.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO0QPswkICg
>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>>>>>From: "Joe Bruno" 
>>>>>Date: 5 Mar 2005 11:42:30 -0800
>>>>>Local: Sat, Mar 5 2005 12:42 pm
>>>>>Subject: The Avalon Project on the Nuremberg Trials
>>>
>>>>>http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/imt.htm#proc
>>>
>>>>The best source around for debunking Halocaustianity.- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>>- Show quoted text -
>> 
>> 


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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:12:17 -0700 (PDT), george 
wrote:

>On Aug 12, 5:02 am, Joe Bruno  wrote:
>
>> Really? He is President of the United States and served two terms as
>> Governor of Texas.
>> Tell us how successful you've been.
>>
>
>On the other hand why do we want to hear the waffling of a  loser nazi
>unemployable wannabe with mental problems?

LOL

Yes, poor George is a psychological and intellectual disaster. For
him, the term "gross incompetence" would be a compliment.


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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:52:03 -0700 (PDT), george 
wrote:

>On Aug 12, 11:03 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>
>>
>> Yes, poor George is a psychological and intellectual disaster. For
>> him, the term "gross incompetence" would be a compliment.
>
>So you are richer, have more power and are better known than the
>current US president?
>Riiiight.

Bush is famous for being the most stupid person ever to hold that
office. That isn't the sort of fame for which most people would
strive.


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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:32:31 -0700 (PDT), pekingcat@hushmail.com
wrote:

>On Aug 11, 12:35 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:40:04 +0300, "halle" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >Tim Miller (replytonewsgr...@invalid.invalid) wrote:
>> >> peking...@hushmail.com wrote:
>> >>> On Aug 10, 5:04 pm, Tim Miller 
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>> peking...@hushmail.com wrote:
>> >>>>> On Aug 10, 4:32 pm, Tim Miller 
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>> halle wrote:
>> >>>>>>> I still salute the Führer.
>> >>>>>> The cowardly fuck who shot himself and was burned in
>> >>>>>> a muddy ditch?
>> >>>>>> Why??
>> >>>>> I don't salute Hitler, but the man did possess balls of iron.
>> >>>> In his mouth. He was one bizarre mother (well, actually, cousin)
>> >>>> fucker.
>>
>> >>> Bizarre?
>>
>> >> Yes. Bizarre. He was a homosexual half-jew that fucked his cousin
>> >> and enjoyed pissing on his women.
>>
>> >The jews have wild imaginations.
>>
>> Timmy appears to be a few sandwiches short of a picnic.
>
>So does McVay.  I've never seen a hater like McVay.  I don't know if
>you've been following but a little while back he stated that the
>German recipients of the bombs(tossed by the allies)got what they
>deserved.  He said that's what they get for starting a war.
>This brings to mind a letter I read published in my newspaper a few
>years ago.

The whole idea of "collective punishment" is so typically asiatic and
totally at variance with European ideas of justice that it makes one
want to puke. It is exactly the concept that the morally bankrupt
Israelis apply to Palestinians. It is statements like the one you
mentioned that has made me doubt the integrity and honesty of the
holocaust™ mob.

>There is sometimes a debate whether or not to call my hometown of
>Kitchener, Berlin.  It used to be called that until 1916.

The Canadian government of the day used a reign of terror in the form
of an occupying garrison in the city to change that.

>  Then they
>renamed it after the war criminal Lord Kitchener.

Lord Kitchener was not a class act, it is true.

>  Anyway there was
>some support for calling our city hall square 'Berlin Square'.
>So this goof writes into the paper protesting the name Berlin, because
>he hates the name, because he flew bombing missions and dropped bombs
>on Berlin.  The anti-German hatred still exists hard.

There are certainly still some pockets of Germanophobia in Canada, and
it is simple-minded hate-mongers like McVay that push it. I guess your
newspaper "buddy" is disappointed because the bombing against Berlin
failed. Despite their best efforts, they were unable to set the city
on fire, since the streets are simply too wide to allow fire to spread
easily, and the buildings are too modern. The normal mortality in
pre-war Berlin was about 200 people per day (Sadly, people do get old
or sick) and that increased to 250 people per day during the years of
the bombing. While that is quite significant (an increase of 25%) it
pales before the mortality of 1000 people per day after the allied
"liberation". Today, the people of Iraq are enjoying an allied
"liberation" with similar results. Everywhere the Americans go, they
bring death, starvation, ruin, and economic devastation with them. The
world is a much worse place because of the American presence on it.


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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:32:31 -0700 (PDT), pekingcat@hushmail.com
wrote:

>On Aug 11, 12:35 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:40:04 +0300, "halle" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >Tim Miller (replytonewsgr...@invalid.invalid) wrote:
>> >> peking...@hushmail.com wrote:
>> >>> On Aug 10, 5:04 pm, Tim Miller 
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>> peking...@hushmail.com wrote:
>> >>>>> On Aug 10, 4:32 pm, Tim Miller 
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>> halle wrote:
>> >>>>>>> I still salute the Führer.
>> >>>>>> The cowardly fuck who shot himself and was burned in
>> >>>>>> a muddy ditch?
>> >>>>>> Why??
>> >>>>> I don't salute Hitler, but the man did possess balls of iron.
>> >>>> In his mouth. He was one bizarre mother (well, actually, cousin)
>> >>>> fucker.
>>
>> >>> Bizarre?
>>
>> >> Yes. Bizarre. He was a homosexual half-jew that fucked his cousin
>> >> and enjoyed pissing on his women.
>>
>> >The jews have wild imaginations.
>>
>> Timmy appears to be a few sandwiches short of a picnic.
>
>So does McVay.  I've never seen a hater like McVay.  I don't know if
>you've been following but a little while back he stated that the
>German recipients of the bombs(tossed by the allies)got what they
>deserved.  He said that's what they get for starting a war.
>This brings to mind a letter I read published in my newspaper a few
>years ago.
>There is sometimes a debate whether or not to call my hometown of
>Kitchener, Berlin.  It used to be called that until 1916.  Then they
>renamed it after the war criminal Lord Kitchener.  Anyway there was
>some support for calling our city hall square 'Berlin Square'.
>So this goof writes into the paper protesting the name Berlin, because
>he hates the name, because he flew bombing missions and dropped bombs
>on Berlin.  The anti-German hatred still exists hard.

The title of the thread is rather odd, given that new churches were
being built all through the 12 years of NS rule in Germany, whereas
that was definitely NOT the case in allied countries such as the USSR.


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On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:51:59 +1000, "B.H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"halle"  wrote in message 
>news:kJRnk.47907$_03.35655@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
>> Kenneth McVay OBC (kmcvay@shell.vex.net) wrote:
>>> Archive/File: camps/theresienstadt/terezin.002
>>> Last-Modified: 1994/01/25
>>>
>>>   "Some children arrived in Terezin without parents, packed into
>>>   trains manned by Reichsbahn (national railroad) civil servants, who
>>>   processed children as readily as freight. The SS with whom they
>>>   contracted this work was charged only half-fare for children, and
>>>   those under two went free of charge, as usual.<6>
>>>
>>>   Here is how an eyewitness described the arrival of a large
>>>   children's transport:
>>>
>>>      Transports of children from many countries came to
>>>      Theresienstadt.  So on August 24, 1943, 1260 children. They
>>>      were frightened and speechless, many barefoot, all in a
>>>      sorry state and half starved. Insofar as any had
>>>      possessions, they clutched their small suitcases or
>>>      prayerbooks. They were not received into the main camp but
>>>      were immediately separated from the other prisoners. They
>>>      were taken to the West barracks surrounded by barbed wire.
>>>      Police patrolled this children's quarters so as not to
>>>      permit anyone near. From the main camp a group of
>>>      caretakers and a doctor were appointed who from then on
>>>      were not to have anything more to do with the main camp.
>>>      These children had come from Bialystok* and had seen
>>>      everything that Jews could suffer. They were taken
>>>      immeidately in groups to a disinfection batch where they
>>>      made terrible scenes. These children knew of gas chambers
>>>      and would not set foot in the bath area. They screamed
>>>      desperately 'no, no, not gas!' They would not obey the SS
>>>      men. Consequently they were pushed in by force. They cried
>>>      and clung to each other. We who saw this were beside
>>>      outselves but we had been forbidden to speak to them under
>>>      threat of death.... Before their departure from Bialystok
>>>      they were lined up in a place and divided into three
>>>      groups: men, women and children up to age 14. Fathers,
>>>      mothers and older brothers and sisters were then shot
>>>      before their eyes.<7>
>>>
>>>   The fate of this same transport of children is reported by Kraus
>>>   and Kulka, survivors of Auschwitz.
>>>
>>>      After several weeks in Terezin the 1260 children who had
>>>      arrived from Bialystok in August, 1943, could be heard
>>>      singing in the West Barracks of the Terezin camp. Then a
>>>      rumor began to spread that they were being got ready for an
>>>      exchange with children from abroad. Sure enough after six
>>>      weeks, orders came that they were to leave. By now they
>>>      were thoroughly fit. Fifty-three men and women were
>>>      selected to accompany them, all of them required to give a
>>>      written statement that they would not spread any propaganda
>>>      hostile to the Nazis when they were abroad.
>>>
>>>      The inmates of Terezin saw them off with every good wish
>>>      for the future. They were convinced the children would soon
>>>      be at liberty.
>>>
>>>      The convoy left Terezin October 5, 1943. It went to
>>>      Auschwitz, where all the children and all the adults ended
>>>      up in the gas chamber.<8>
>>>
>>>   ...
>>>   Fifty-eight thousand people died in Terezin. Fifteen thousand
>>>   children had passed through the Terezin death funnel. ...one
>>>   hundred.... survived." (Moskovitz, 12-13)
>>>
>>> *  Deportation statistics for the Bialystok district are available
>>>   from the Holocaust archives at oneb.almanac.bc.ca.  To obtain a
>>>   list of relevant deportation files, send the command INDEX REINHARD
>>>   to listserv@oneb.almanac.bc.ca.
>>>
>>>   Yitzak Arad provides background information:
>>>
>>>   "The Bialystok General District ...  constituted an independent
>>>   administrative district within the German regime in occupied
>>>   Poland...
>>>
>>>   During the first months of the German occupation ...  the Jewish
>>>   population ...  suffered a wave of mass murders....  31,000 Jews,
>>>   mostly men, were shot by the Einsatzgruppen near their homes.  On
>>>   the eve of mass deportations to Treblinka and Auschwitz, in the
>>>   autumn of 1942, there were about 210,000 Jews in the district,
>>>   concentrated in ghettos.  ...
>>>
>>>   In the first half of October 1942, the Reich Security Main Office
>>>   issued an order to local SS authorities in the Bialystok General
>>>   District to liquidate all the ghettos in the district and deport
>>>   the Jews.  But after the intervention of the German army and German
>>>   civilian authorities that employed Jewish labor in war-economy
>>>   enterprises, it was decided that the liquidation of the Bialystok
>>>   ghetto would be postponed.  >>   Polityka Zaglady Zydow", Warszawa, 1961 pp.  457-459>
>>>
>>>   The deportation fo the Jews from the Bialystok district to
>>>   Treblinka and, in part, to Auschwitz commenced after the
>>>   deportation of most of the General Government Jews had been
>>>   completed.  It began in mid-October 1942, and continued until
>>>   mid-February 1943.  ...  At the end of this period, only 30,000
>>>   Jews from the entire General District remained in the Bialystok
>>>   ghetto." (Arad)
>>>
>>> Moskovitz' End Notes:
>>>
>>> <6> Raul Hilberg, "Confronting Moral Implications of the Holocaust,"
>>>    keynote address at the Holocaust Conference, Jewish Federation
>>>    Council, Los Angeles, Sunday, April 9, 1978.
>>> <7> H.G. Adler, 'Theresienstadt, 1941-1945. Das Antlitz einer
>>>    Zwangsgemeinschaft' (Tublingen: Verlag J. Mohr [Paul Siebeck],
>>>    1955).
>>> <8> O. Kraus and E. Kulka, "The Death Factory: Documents on Auschwitz
>>>    1966" (New York: Pergamon Press, 1966), pp. 116-17.
>>>
>>>
>>>                              Work Cited
>>>
>>> Arad, Yitzhak. BELZEC, SOBIBOR, TREBLINKA - the Operation Reinhard
>>> Death Camps. Indiana University Press, 1987. ISBN 0-253-3429-7
>>>
>>> Moskovitz, Sarah. Love Despite Hate: Child Survivors of the Holocaust
>>> and Their Adult Lives. New York: Schocken Books, 1983
>>
>> How much do you get paid by the yids every year?
>
>He's very silent about quantum.
>
>I know he had all his computer and networking equipment donated to him by 
>the yids, as I know he was proposed for his OBC by the yids.
>
>Poor old feller has sold his soul to the hebes.
>
>
>>
>> 
The OBC is drastically degraded by McVay and his hate-mongers.


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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:00:15 -0700 (PDT), LIBERATOR
 wrote:

>On Aug 11, 3:45 pm, "Jeffrey Hamilton"  wrote:
>> "Joe Bruno"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:2e45298a-16af-42eb-a74b-796c2144e46f@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 11, 6:08 am, "Vaughn Simon" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Joe Bruno"  wrote in message
>>
>> >news:3a7a7003-6758-4482-9efb-e6c2b2a91abf@n38g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
>> > On Aug 11, 5:39 am, "Vaughn Simon" 
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > > "Joe Bruno"  wrote in message
>> > >If you are too impressionable and too gullible to stand up and say to
>> > >yourself:"
>>
>> > By all means, say it "to yourself" Even fervently move your lips if you
>> > want,
>> > but don't assist a troll in his efforts to pollute the Internet.
>>
>> > Bye
>> > Vaughn
>>
>> He's not a troll. He believes the garbage he spews.
>> The issue is whether you believe it.
>
>Hey man you haven't disproven anything I've said. I'm still waiting
>for someone too.
>
>Can you please show me that the currency value of Nazi Germany was not
>higher and stable than all the other allied countries in 1934, 1935,
>1936, 1937, 1938, 1939? In those years the German Reichsmarq gained
>value, whilst all other countries depreciated severely, and suffered
>mass deficits, depressions set in, mass unemployment, mass chaos,
>whlst Germany was living in prosperity and happy times with no
>unemployment, no poverty, it was happy times!

That is exactly why Germany had to be destroyed. The existence of
Germany was a threat to the money clique in London and on the east
coast of the USA.

>
>>
>> ****Actually he is a troll. A Nazi troll !
>>
>> Get a clue or you can join him too.
>>
>> How's that for poetic justice ?
>>
>>   cheers.....Jeff


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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:46:57 -0700 (PDT), pekingcat@hushmail.com
wrote:

>On Aug 11, 3:18 pm, "I'll Always Be Here"
> wrote:
>> Doomsday Cultist  wrote in news:68ba1c23-5ca2-
>> 41f2-b127-1008ae234...@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>> >http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080811/ap_on_re_us/beyond_kosher_1
>>
>> > Slaughterhouse case fuels kosher justice movement
>>
>> > By RACHEL ZOLL, AP Religion Writer
>>
>> > NEW YORK - Very little goes unexamined in the kosher world.
>> > ADVERTISEMENT
>>
>> > From meat and poultry to the coating on vegetables and the ingredients
>> > in mouthwash, rabbis who determine whether a product meets Jewish
>> > dietary laws scrutinize the most minute details about all things
>> > consumed.
>>
>> > For religiously observant Jews, that concern has rarely extended
>> > beyond the product itself.
>>
>> > But now, allegations of worker abuse at the nation's biggest kosher
>> > slaughterhouse have some Jews demanding that food companies be judged
>> > not just by the purity of their products but by the way their treat
>> > their employees.
>>
>> > "How can you sit at your table and eat a product packaged by a
>> > pregnant woman has been standing on her feet all day?" asked Rabbi
>> > Morris Allen of Minnesota. He is developing a certification program
>> > that aims to protect workers and the environment in the kosher
>> > industry.
>>
>> > Interest in Allen's "hekhsher tzedek," or "certificate of
>> > righteousness," has ballooned since a May 12 immigration raid at
>> > Agriprocessors in Postville, Iowa.
>>
>> > Many Jews are embarrassed and angered by the allegations and, along
>> > with some religious leaders, are rethinking what it means to be
>> > certified kosher.
>>
>> > The "hekhsher tzedek" would be awarded to companies that pay fair
>> > wages, ensure workplace safety, follow government environmental rules
>> > and treat animals humanely, among other criteria.
>>
>> > The program, which could begin as soon as next year, would be separate
>> > from the traditional certification process that measures compliance
>> > with Jewish dietary law. A company that fails to obtain a "hekhsher
>> > tzedek" could still get its food certified as kosher.
>>
>> > The majority of kosher consumers and certifiers are Orthodox, and they
>> > drive the multibillion-dollar U.S. market. Kosher meat is more
>> > expensive than standard food, and since large families are the norm
>> > among the Orthodox, some fear any changes could increase the cost.
>>
>> > Rabbi Menachem Genack, chief kosher executive of the Orthodox Union,
>> > the largest kosher certifier in the U.S., called Allen's idea
>> > unreasonable and unenforceable. He said the Orthodox Union relies on
>> > federal and state agencies — "who have both the expertise and
>> > authority" — to monitor plant conditions.
>>
>> > Yet, pressure for change is coming from more than just Conservative
>> > Jewish leaders.
>>
>> > Within the Orthodox community, there are signs that Jews in their 20s
>> > and 30s are gaining interest in what the Torah says about social
>> > justice.
>>
>> > Last year, young Orthodox Jews in New York formed Uri L'Tzedek, an
>> > advocacy group on issues such as immigration and labor rights. Leaders
>> > of the group, whose name means Awaken to Justice, collected about
>> > 2,000 signatures in support of a boycott of Agriprocessors.
>>
>> > They suspended the action when the owners hired a former federal
>> > prosecutor as a compliance officer, but are still going ahead with a
>> > fact-finding tour of the plant this week, where they will also meet
>> > with immigrant workers.
>>
>> > "The younger generations of modern Orthodox Jews are seeking new
>> > meaning to their religious expression, going beyond survival and anti-
>> > assimilation and just text study," said Shmuly Yanklowitz, a
>> > rabbinical student and co-founder of Uri L'Tzedek. "There have been
>> > countless individuals who have felt estranged from the Orthodox
>> > community who have been in touch with us. We're getting hundreds of e-
>> > mails saying that this has filled a gap."
>>
>> > Despite sharing the ideals of the "hekhsher tzedek," Yanklowitz said
>> > his group does not support the proposal. He said any systemwide change
>> > in kosher production will have to come from within the Orthodox world
>> > because of its "overwhelming commitment" to following Jewish dietary
>> > law and the buying power that brings.
>>
>> Good, that ought to go a long way towards forcing christians to start
>> considering worker and animal welfare.
>>
>I don't consider myself a Christian, because I don't know what to
>believe concerning origins of the Universe, evolution etc.  But I was
>raised a Lutheran and learned some good values; i.e. live and let live
>and I do try to abide by by that simple statement.  So if a Christian
>truly practices Christianity, then it's a good thing.  The problem is
>that there are people who call themselves Christians who are anything
>but.

That is certainly the truth and an understatement!

>
>> > ___
>>
>> > On the Net:
>>
>> > Orthodox Union:http://www.ou.org
>>
>> > Hekhsher Tzedek:http://hekhshertzedek.org
>>
>> > Uri L'Tzedek:http://uriltzedek.webnode.com
>>
>> > --
>> > +
>>
>> > Pucker your lips for the Apocalypse!
>>
>> > Johnny Asia, Guitarist from the Future
>>
>> >http://music.download.com/johnnyasia
>>
>> >http://johnnyasia.net
>>
>> > +
>>
>>


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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:30:55 -0700 (PDT), pekingcat@hushmail.com
wrote:

>On Aug 11, 2:35 pm, "."  wrote:
>> Reopening Lithuania's old wounds
>>
>> By Tim Whewell
>> BBC Radio 4's Crossing Continents
>>
>> A judicial inquiry into the wartime activities of Jewish anti-Nazi
>> resistance fighters in Lithuania has led to accusations that the small
>> Baltic state is trying to distort the history of World War II.
>>
>> The row follows investigations by the country's prosecutor into
>> whether the former partisans - Holocaust survivors now in their 80s -
>> themselves committed war crimes.
>>
>
>Partisans fought out of uniform.  They should be executed.

Under the various conventions, partisans, and other irregulars, are
the same of pirates, bandits, and brigands. Summary execution is the
recommendation.

>
>> Fania Brantsovskaya was questioned about a 1944 massacre
>> Israel has denounced the inquiry as scandalous and refused to allow
>> one of the main potential witnesses to be questioned. Britain's
>> foremost World War II historian, Sir Martin Gilbert, told the BBC he
>> was "deeply shocked" by the investigation, which he called "perverse".
>>
>> The Simon Wiesenthal Centre, which works to track down Nazi war
>> criminals, claims it is part of an attempt to establish a "false
>> symmetry" between atrocities committed against Jews and atrocities
>> allegedly committed by them.
>>
>> And the dispute has now led to a tense meeting between the Lithuanian
>> prime minister Gediminas Kirkilas and American Jewish leaders.
>>
>> At least four former fighters have now been questioned or are being
>> sought for questioning. All deny any wrongdoing, and so far the main
>> evidence appears to be memoirs written by former partisans themselves.
>>
>> The row began to develop last September when the Lithuanian prosecutor
>> for war-crimes and crimes against humanity asked to talk to Israeli
>> historian Yitzhak Arad about his experiences as a 16-year-old boy,
>> after he had escaped from a Nazi-run ghetto in Lithuania and joined
>> the Soviet-led resistance force in the forest.
>>
>> The case has no basis. It is trying to falsify events. And I don't
>> want to be part of this play
>>
>> He was not informed what provoked the inquiry, but the prosecutor,
>> Rimvydas Valentukevicius, told the BBC he was investigating the
>> killing of at least one civilian in a raid by partisans on Girdenai, a
>> village in eastern Lithuania in 1944.
>>
>> In his book, The Partisan, first published in English in 1979, Dr Arad
>> described how his brigade was ordered to mount a "punitive action"
>> against villagers who, he wrote, were armed by the Germans and had
>> shot partisans attempting to requisition food.
>>
>> Dr Arad described how houses were burned. But he denies involvement in
>> the killing of any civilians.
>>
>> He has said he is willing to be interviewed by Lithuanian journalists,
>> but not by the police. "I don't trust them," he said. "The case has no
>> basis. It is trying to falsify events. And I don't want to be part of
>> this play."
>>
>> Rewriting history?
>>
>> Dr Arad, like other former partisans, insists that joining the Soviet-
>> led resistance force was effectively his only means of staying alive
>> in Nazi-occupied Lithuania.
>>
>> If we deny and lie about what occurred, we only risk of repeating the
>> same unspeakable horrors
>>
>> Historians say that about 95% of the country's Jews - 200,000 people -
>> were killed by the Germans and their Lithuanian collaborators. This is
>> probably the highest proportion in Europe.
>>
>> Under Lithuanian law, any citizen can initiate an inquiry into wartime
>> crimes, and Dr Arad believes the inquiry into his record is revenge
>> for expert evidence he gave at the trial in the United States of a
>> former Lithuanian Nazi collaborator accused of involvement in the
>> killing of Jews.
>>
>> "I think they use my case as a general intention to rewrite history,"
>> he said, "to show that Jews are not the only victims."
>>
>> Lithuania's deputy foreign minister Jaroslavas Neverovicas told the
>> BBC that Dr Arad was wanted as a witness, not a suspect.
>>
>> But the case has undone painstaking work by the government a few years
>> ago to establish an international commission of historians tasked with
>> examining the crimes of both the Nazi and Soviet regimes in Lithuania,
>> and attempting to draw up a definitive version of highly controversial
>> events.
>>
>> One aim was to reconcile differing assessments, inside and outside
>> Lithuania, of the extent of Lithuanian involvement in the Holocaust.
>>
>> Sabotage
>>
>> Dr Arad, seen as a key Israeli scholar, was originally persuaded to
>> join the Commission only after the personal intervention of
>> Lithuania's president. But he has now withdrawn, at least until the
>> case is dropped, as has Britain's representative, Sir Martin Gilbert.
>>
>> "The Commission was one of the best things that happened in post-
>> Soviet Lithuania," the deputy foreign minister, Mr Neverovicas, said.
>> "It's unfortunate that such an episode appeared. But when the
>> accusation happened, our prosecutor's office could not sit still, it
>> had to investigate."
>>
>> I think what is happening in Lithuania is far more serious than the
>> phenomenon of Holocaust denial which has never penetrated mainstream
>> European society
>>
>> The government-appointed head of the commission, however, believes
>> that its work has been deliberately sabotaged by nationalist forces
>> who want to lead Lithuania away from the European mainstream.
>>
>> Conservative member of parliament Emmanuelis Zingeris, Lithuania's
>> leading Jewish politician, who was one of those at the forefront of
>> the country's campaign to break away from the Soviet Union in the late
>> 1980s, said:
>>
>> "Someone has tried to dismantle this carefully-built bridge between
>> Lithuania, Israel, America and world historical opinion. And it's a
>> real tragedy.. a highly counter-productive move against Lithuanian
>> liberal values, against all our shared values with NATO and EU
>> countries."
>>
>> For the Simon Wiesenthal Centre, the world's main Nazi-hunting
>> organisation, the investigation of Jewish partisans is part of a wider
>> attempt by Lithuania to improve its international image by rewriting
>> the history of World War II.
>>
>> "The participation of so many Lithuanian volunteers in the mass murder
>> of Jews is a very sensitive subject," says Efraim Zuroff of the
>> centre's Jerusalem office. "However if it emerges that there were Jews
>> who committed crimes against Lithuanians, that would blunt the shame
>> that Lithuanians feel in response to their World War II crimes."
>>
>> "The Holocaust obfuscation, distortion and deflection going on in
>> Lithuania should be a very serious cause of concern in the EU and
>> Nato," he added.
>>
>> "I think what is happening in Lithuania and elsewhere throughout
>> Eastern Europe is far more serious than the phenomenon of Holocaust
>> denial which has never penetrated mainstream European society."
>>
>> Dr Zuroff describes independent Lithuania's record in prosecuting Nazi
>> war criminals as a "miserable failure". Since 1991, it has prosecuted
>> three Nazi collaborators - and 24 people accused of crimes against
>> humanity or genocide under the Soviet regime.
>>
>> Totalitarian
>>
>> The country has its own judicial definition of the word "genocide",
>> wider than that used by the United Nations.
>>
>> It includes attempts to wipe out particular social as well as ethnic
>> groups, and can therefore potentially be used to prosecute Soviet
>> crimes as well as Nazi ones.
>>
>> Former Soviet political prisoners mark the 1941 mass deportation of
>> Lithuanians to Siberia
>> Many non-Jewish Lithuanians argue they were subject to a form of
>> genocide because the Soviet Union attempted to destroy the nation's
>> intellectual elite through mass deportations to Siberia, the fight
>> against anti-Soviet guerrillas, and other forms of persecution.
>>
>> As for Nazi collaborators, the government says most were prosecuted in
>> Soviet times, whereas the task of finding Soviet collaborators could
>> only begin after independence.
>>
>> Deputy foreign minister Neverovicas says Lithuania is being even-
>> handed in investigating both totalitarian regimes and is right to be
>> spearheading efforts in the European Parliament to make Western
>> Europeans more aware of Soviet crimes.
>>
>> But his government is clearly embarrassed by the still-widening
>> investigation of the partisans.
>>
>> This spring prosecutors questioned 86-year-old Fania Brantsovskaya,
>> who still lives in Lithuania, about the role her partisan brigade
>> played in an alleged massacre of 38 civilians in the village of
>> Kaniukai in south-eastern Lithuania in January 1944.
>>
>> Mrs Brantsovskaya insists she was not present during the raid and has
>> now also been told that she is not a suspect.
>>
>> Nevertheless the prime minister Mr Kirkilas was so concerned about the
>> possible impact of the case on Lithuania's relations with America's
>> influential Jewish community that he invited her to tea before his
>> trip to New York.
>>
>> Lithuania insists, however, that the judiciary works independently of
>> the government, and the inquiry continues.
>>
>> Crossing Continents: The battle for memory was broadcast on BBC Radio
>> 4 on Thursday, 17 July at 1102 BST.
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/crossing_continents/7508375.stm


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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:41:57 -0700 (PDT), pekingcat@hushmail.com
wrote:

>A headline taken from Nizkor's main page:
>
>"The real purpose of holocaust revisionism is to make
>National Socialism an acceptable political alternative again."
>
>Yeah whatever.  The real purpose of holocaust revisionism is to get at
>the truth and engage in fruitful debate.  That is impossible these
>days what with the hate that revisionists have to put up with.  I'm no
>revisionist; frankly I don't know what happened, but I'm not inclined
>to believe the state/media just because they say it's so.  I'd like to
>hear both sides, involved in a decent rule abiding debate.  But the
>haters will not allow that to happen.  They need to stifle debate.
>Why is that?
>We have an award winning hater on this NG who actually hates people
>that had bombs dropped on them and says that 'they deserved it'.  That
>tells me a lot about the people that gave him his medal.

The Limeys did put up a statue in honour of "Butcher Harris" who
killed at least half a million children under 14. That would be the
same as German authorities putting up a statue in honour of Eichmann. 

Perhaps they gave the OBC to McVay in honour of similar dubious
"achievements" as Harris and Eichmann?



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Subject: Re: The lies at Nizkor
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:27:51 -0700 (PDT), george 
wrote:

>On Aug 13, 12:38 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>
>> The Limeys did put up a statue in honour of "Butcher Harris" who
>> killed at least half a million children under 14. That would be the
>> same as German authorities putting up a statue in honour of Eichmann.
>
>Oh?
>He flew all those bombers?
>Must have been a busy lad in the 'thousand bomber raids' eh
>
>Since 1945 the Germans haven't attacked any-one else so they've
>finally learnt how to live alongside the neighbours.

One could say the same thing about the Brits. They have been
dramatically more militaristic than the Germans have ever been.

The one good thing that came about from WW2 was the destruction of the
British and French empires.


From ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca Fri Aug 22 11:16:07 EDT 2008
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Subject: Re: Israel Is The Most Hated Entity
From: Johannes von Ebersdorf 
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On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:25:11 -0700 (PDT), NefeshYehudi
 wrote:

>On Aug 12, 6:38 pm, 4PeaceMirelle  wrote:
>> On Aug 10, 1:25 pm, mirelleal...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>
>> Zionist Forgery.
>> Internet identity theft.
>>
>> Israel is the world's most hated entity
>> The punishment fits the crime
>> Zionists have decimated Jewish identity
>> Sixty years of Ethnic Cleansing is a long time
>> The world now views Israel with utter enmity
>> The punishment fits the crime
>>
>> http://fourthreichisrael.wordpress.com/israel-is-the-most-hated-enity/
>>
>> Mirelle
>
>Your post above is wrong, because you think like a fascist. 

Israelis are indistinguishable from fascists. 



> The truth
>is there are more good people than bad on earth.  The good people love
>Israel and the Jews, the bad people hate us.  The weak self-centered
>criminals hate the Jews but the good peolle that love God and fear Him
>love the Jews.


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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:10:16 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"Suevian"  wrote in message 
>news:jaidna8lprQ-lj7VnZ2dnUVZ_rLinZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>> Patrick Keenan wrote:
>>>
>>> "Suevian"  wrote in message 
>>> news:roOdnf9ex-20Bz_VnZ2dnUVZ_uKdnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>>>
>>>> http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2008/07/31/germany_s_forbidden_words
>>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Indeed, two German scholars, Ernst Zundel and Germar Rudolf were 
>>>> illegally abducted from the United States and imprisoned for presenting 
>>>> scientific evidence that a phenomenal hoax called the “Jewish Holocaust” 
>>>> had taken place.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We can stop here, because you can't even get that part right.
>>>
>>> Neither EZ or GR are "German scholars".    That's just laughable.
>>>
>>
>> Zundel may not class as a "schollar",
>
>No kidding!  And by the way,  the word I quoted only has one l.
>
>> though he has done a lot of interesting and useful work.
>
>Only if you count fiction and Neo-Nazi propaganda "interesting and useful".
>
>It's worth noting that in EZ's "False News" trials in Canada, he failed - 
>twice - to convice juries that he actually beleived that the Holocaust 
>didn't happen as described.

Nonsense, it was the holocaust™ industry that failed to make their
case at the false news trials. Mr. Zundel was acquited.


>
>So there isn't a lot of reason to believe that he does believe it didn't 
>happen, but he sure did make money off the idea.   That's a big part of how 
>he became a millionaire.
>
>> Rudolf is indisputably a scholar of the first order.
>
>Well, guess what, that is indisputably disputed, so your assertion is false.
>
>GR *does* have degrees in chemisty, but this does *not* make him a "scholar 
>of the first order".   He may have been one at one time, but it's been a 
>long time since he walked away from being one.
>
>For one thing, real scholars do not write under false names and then cite 
>those false names,  in an attempt to give an impression of wider support for 
>their own assertions.   This shows a disdain for the peer-review system, 
>just as he showed disdain for the German and US legal systems.   And as he 
>showed towards the Planck Institute.
>
>He isn't associated with any university or institution - the last one fired 
>him for misrepresenting the institution.   He doesn't write for any 
>scholarly journals,  and his material doesn't pass peer review.
>
>And real scholars are generally smarter than GR, who was stupid enough to 
>walk into an INS office a few blocks from the courthouse that had ordered 
>him deported a few weeks earlier, and apply  for a green card.
>
>Apparently he assumed that US Immigration is dumber than he is, and he 
>quickly found this to be an incorrect assumption.
>
>If these guys are your intellectual role models, I suggest you give up now.
>
>HTH
>-pk
>


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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:55:37 +1000, "B.H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
>news:NpydnbaWupgokj7VnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@vex.net...
>> In article 
>> <190c2f20-4457-46d8-a340-9fea987a49a1@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>>  wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>What about Katyn? That really happened, and Soviet Jews tried to blame
>>>it on Germans. The Jews ran Soviet Union. I dont believe it.
>>
>> What about Katyn? By the way, would you please identify these
>> "Soviet Jews" who tried to blame the Germans?
>
>You fucking idiot, mcFey. You know damned well who they were.
>
McVay is just being his usual obnoxious self. His demand that I name
the half million children under 14 killed during the allied terror
bombing is typical of his obstructive style. Who the fuck does the
ignorant jackass think that the allies unloaded their bombs on, other
than women and children? Naturally, women and children make up the
bulk of the victims, since able-bodied males were generally on the
front. The attacks were generally on the densely built up medieval
"old cities", not on industrial targets like the allies like to claim.


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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:19:48 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
 wrote:

>On Aug 14, 2:09 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>wrote:
>> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:36d91548-4718-4c3e-9a7b-fc225be45234@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 13, 1:49 pm, "halle"  wrote:
>>
>> >jgarbuz(jgar...@netzero.com) wrote:
>> >> Your precious Jizzrael will be royally fucked when whites regain control
>> >> of
>> >> our governments which you treasonous oven dodgers have subverted.<
>> >I'm sorry for you that your Fuehrer lost, and your superior Aryan race
>> >feels a little downtrodden lately, but the fact is, that it's just a
>> >more equal world now than it was,
>>
>> Bullfuckingshit it's more equal, garbageguz.
>>
>> Were you born mentally retarded and lying or did you have to study for it?<
>
>Sorry, I don't cheat and I don't lie. You just can't handle the
>truth.

LOL

Garbageguz wouldn't recognize truth were it to fall on him.


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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:34:03 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
 wrote:

>On Aug 14, 6:36 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>wrote:
>> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:49a327ca-7f93-416a-9a06-54db627268ad@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 14, 2:09 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>> > wrote:
>> >> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:36d91548-4718-4c3e-9a7b-fc225be45234@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> >> On Aug 13, 1:49 pm, "halle"  wrote:
>>
>> >> >jgarbuz(jgar...@netzero.com) wrote:
>> >> >> Your precious Jizzrael will be royally fucked when whites regain
>> >> >> control
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> our governments which you treasonous oven dodgers have subverted.<
>> >> >I'm sorry for you that your Fuehrer lost, and your superior Aryan race
>> >> >feels a little downtrodden lately, but the fact is, that it's just a
>> >> >more equal world now than it was,
>>
>> >> Bullfuckingshit it's more equal, garbageguz.
>>
>> >> Were you born mentally retarded and lying or did you have to study for
>> >> it?<
>>
>> > Sorry, I don't cheat and I don't lie.
>>
>> Of course you do. You're a yid. It's genetic.
>>
>> >You just can't handle the truth.
>>
>> It's only the truth I'm interested in, garbageguz, hence my disaffection for
>> you stinky yids.<
>
>Yeah, I bet you get your "honest truth" from your Islamofascist
>friends.

There is no such critter as an "Islamofascist". That is simple-minded
Bush-speak.

> But then, you Nazis will deal with them after you think you
>can get rid of us.

None of the people participating on this newsgroup on either side of
the holocaust™ question are Nazis. You are simply devoid of rational
arguments and have resorted to name-calling as a substitute for
intelligent discussion.

>It's not going to happen, but I guess when you're
>not sucking renegade jew cock in Israel, there's plenty of Arab cock
>for you to suck on in Gaza and the West Bank. But those too are mostly
>circumcised so I'm sure you're always eager to get back to your
>uncircumcised gentile cock ASAP.

Yawn.


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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:08:06 +1000, "B.H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"jgarbuz"  wrote in message 
>news:76e9c38e-6cb1-433b-8b2c-f072e84cecdb@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
>On Aug 13, 5:32 am, "B.H. Cramer"  wrote:
>>> "ßDoüg±Ç"  wrote in message
>
>
>>> > Nuke Egypt, Syria, Iran, problem solved.
>>>
>>> Why? It's Ersatz israel who causes the problems.<
>
>>You mean, the existence of Jews causes the problems, right?
>
>No. I don't mean the existence of jews is the problem, garbageguz. Learn to 
>read, you fuckwit.
>
>
Neo-Israel does not speak for the world's Jews, and it never has. 


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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:17:12 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
 wrote:

>On Aug 14, 2:08 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>wrote:
>> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:76e9c38e-6cb1-433b-8b2c-f072e84cecdb@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 13, 5:32 am, "B.H. Cramer"  wrote:
>>
>> >> " Do g "  wrote in message
>> >> > Nuke Egypt, Syria, Iran, problem solved.
>>
>> >> Why? It's Ersatz israel who causes the problems.<
>> >You mean, the existence of Jews causes the problems, right?
>>
>> No. I don't mean the existence of jews is the problem, garbageguz. Learn to
>> read, you fuckwit.<
>
>The existence of Israel and the existence of Jews are one and the
>same.

That is complete nonsense. Israel endangers all the Jewish people on
the planet with its reckless militarism and general criminality. I
have no problem with the Jewish people who live down the street, but I
certainly have a major problem with Israel and its genocidal policies.

> The Holocaust proved what happens to Jews without an Israel.

That is a non sequitur. One idea does not follow from the other.
Israel does not produce a safe environment for Jews within Israel, let
alone in other countries around the world.

>With an Israel, Jews can fight back.

This is just your silly fantasy, not reality. Israel is a
postage-stamp kingdom of 20,000 km² without any world significance,
nuclear weapons or no.

> That bothers you and your
>Islamofascist colleagues. Tough.

Neo-Israel embodies the principles of fascism much better than do any
Islamic countries. Israel is an anachronism that does not belong in
the 21st century.


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Subject: Re: Temple of Zeus found in Israel, time to establish a pagan  homeland?
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:42:27 -0700 (PDT), DoD 
wrote:

>On Aug 14, 1:17 am, jgarbuz  wrote:
>> On Aug 14, 2:08 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> >news:76e9c38e-6cb1-433b-8b2c-f072e84cecdb@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
>> > On Aug 13, 5:32 am, "B.H. Cramer"  wrote:
>>
>> > >> " Do g "  wrote in message
>> > >> > Nuke Egypt, Syria, Iran, problem solved.
>>
>> > >> Why? It's Ersatz israel who causes the problems.<
>> > >You mean, the existence of Jews causes the problems, right?
>>
>> > No. I don't mean the existence of jews is the problem, garbageguz. Learn to
>> > read, you fuckwit.<
>>
>> The existence of Israel and the existence of Jews are one and the
>> same. The Holocaust proved what happens to Jews without an Israel.
>> With an Israel, Jews can fight back. That bothers you and your
>> Islamofascist colleagues. Tough.
>
>Why do you play with that fag?

I see that you share homophobia with the Nazis of old, DoD. You differ
only in the targets of your bigotry.



> Hardly anybody else does. All he is
>about is to
>get a negative reply from you.... Your knowledge would be useful so
>much better
>elsewhere... And I know that you are not about giving up a fight, but
>this fucking
>prick isn't even picking one...All it is doing is kicking a few bits
>of sand up in the
>air and just hoping someone will bite. That dick is just a gnat...
>Around these parts
>we call fuckheads like him pecker gnats. Those little bugs that fly
>around and bother
>you when you are trying to enjoy an outdoor event...


From ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca Fri Aug 22 11:16:09 EDT 2008
Article: 1931804 of alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Temple of Zeus found in Israel, time to establish a pagan  homeland?
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 06:12:41 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
 wrote:

>On Aug 14, 8:43 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>wrote:
>> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:1b9e02c2-23bb-46e9-86b4-b701aa962480@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 14, 3:48 am, Patriot  wrote:
>> >> DoD wrote:
>> >> > On Aug 14, 1:17 am,jgarbuz wrote:
>> >> >> On Aug 14, 2:08 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >>> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>> >> >>>news:76e9c38e-6cb1-433b-8b2c-f072e84cecdb@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >>> On Aug 13, 5:32 am, "B.H. Cramer"  wrote:
>> >> >>>>> " Do g "  wrote in message
>> >> >>>>>> Nuke Egypt, Syria, Iran, problem solved.
>> >> >>>>> Why? It's Ersatz israel who causes the problems.<
>>
>> >> >>>> You mean, the existence of Jews causes the problems, right?<
>>
>> >> >>> No. I don't mean the existence of jews is the problem, garbageguz.
>> >> >>> Learn to
>> >> >>> read, you fuckwit.<
>>
>> >> >> The existence of Israel and the existence of Jews are one and the
>> >> >> same. The Holocaust proved what happens to Jews without an Israel.
>> >> >> With an Israel, Jews can fight back. That bothers you and your
>> >> >> Islamofascist colleagues. Tough.
>>
>> >> > Why do you play with that fag? Hardly anybody else does. All he is
>> >> > about is to
>> >> > get a negative reply from you.... Your knowledge would be useful so
>> >> > much better
>> >> > elsewhere... <
>>
>> > Where would my knowledge be more useful? To the guy (Patriot) who
>> > posted this concern, I do this - and have been doing those for well
>> > over a decade - debating with these mostly same antisemites, because
>> > SOMEBODY HAS to do it! And if I and Debby and DoD don't, who will?
>>
>> Three of you - nearly 7 billion of us. How do you see your effectiveness,
>> garbageguz?<
>
>Pretty good.  SEven billion still haven't wiped out 7 million after
>generations of trying.

They didn't try. If your claim of an official German government scheme
to annihilate Jews were correct, then we wouldn't be having this
conversation because there would be no Jews.


> It's like a dam; ya gotta plug the dike.  It's
>quality, not quantity, that prevails.


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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 08:54:48 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
 wrote:

>On Aug 14, 9:17 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>wrote:
>> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:d5632807-0a06-41a6-b5e4-296ac2b497d4@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 14, 8:43 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>> > wrote:
>> >> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:1b9e02c2-23bb-46e9-86b4-b701aa962480@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> > On Aug 14, 3:48 am, Patriot  wrote:
>> >> >> DoD wrote:
>> >> >> > On Aug 14, 1:17 am,jgarbuz wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Aug 14, 2:08 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >>> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>> >> >> >>>news:76e9c38e-6cb1-433b-8b2c-f072e84cecdb@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >> >>> On Aug 13, 5:32 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>> >> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>> " Do g "  wrote in message
>> >> >> >>>>>> Nuke Egypt, Syria, Iran, problem solved.
>> >> >> >>>>> Why? It's Ersatz israel who causes the problems.<
>>
>> >> >> >>>> You mean, the existence of Jews causes the problems, right?<
>>
>> >> >> >>> No. I don't mean the existence of jews is the problem, garbageguz.
>> >> >> >>> Learn to
>> >> >> >>> read, you fuckwit.<
>>
>> >> >> >> The existence of Israel and the existence of Jews are one and the
>> >> >> >> same. The Holocaust proved what happens to Jews without an Israel.
>> >> >> >> With an Israel, Jews can fight back. That bothers you and your
>> >> >> >> Islamofascist colleagues. Tough.
>>
>> >> >> > Why do you play with that fag? Hardly anybody else does. All he is
>> >> >> > about is to
>> >> >> > get a negative reply from you.... Your knowledge would be useful so
>> >> >> > much better
>> >> >> > elsewhere... <
>>
>> >> > Where would my knowledge be more useful? To the guy (Patriot) who
>> >> > posted this concern, I do this - and have been doing those for well
>> >> > over a decade - debating with these mostly same antisemites, because
>> >> > SOMEBODY HAS to do it! And if I and Debby and DoD don't, who will?
>>
>> >> Three of you - nearly 7 billion of us. How do you see your effectiveness,
>> >> garbageguz?<
>>
>> > Pretty good.  SEven billion still haven't wiped out 7 million after
>> > generations of trying.
>>
>> It's never been tried, lying old turd.<
>
>Ask your father how many Jews he killed. I'm sure he told you long
>ago.

All the Jews my father knew in 1930 were back in Germany by 1948.
Miraculously, his sample of about three dozen all escaped the vaunted
holocaust™. All I've heard here from you or from hate-mongers like
McVay is warmed over WW1 propaganda. It was all disproven the first
time, and it isn't too fucking likely to be true the second time.


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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:46:13 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
 wrote:

>On Aug 14, 6:41 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>wrote:
>> "DoD"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:6e8e7433-1b0e-434f-9963-54c002b91883@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 14, 1:17 am,jgarbuz wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 14, 2:08 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > > "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> > >news:76e9c38e-6cb1-433b-8b2c-f072e84cecdb@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
>> > > On Aug 13, 5:32 am, "B.H. Cramer"  wrote:
>>
>> > > >> " Do g "  wrote in message
>> > > >> > Nuke Egypt, Syria, Iran, problem solved.
>>
>> > > >> Why? It's Ersatz israel who causes the problems.<
>> > > >You mean, the existence of Jews causes the problems, right?
>>
>> > > No. I don't mean the existence of jews is the problem, garbageguz. Learn
>> > > to
>> > > read, you fuckwit.<
>>
>> > The existence of Israel and the existence of Jews are one and the
>> > same. The Holocaust proved what happens to Jews without an Israel.
>> > With an Israel, Jews can fight back. That bothers you and your
>> > Islamofascist colleagues. Tough.
>> >Why do you play with that fag? Hardly anybody else does. All he is
>> >about is to
>> >get a negative reply from you....
>>
>> The reason garbageguz receives negative replies, doodoodumbkunt, is simply
>> due to the fact I do truth, and he does lies.<
>
>You "do" the same "truth" found  in  your Fuehrer's Mein Kampf and in
>your Islamofascists' Koran.

The Islamic  religious fables are not any less significant than yours.
Islam is rooted in Judaism, and its blood-thirsty excesses are also
rooted in Judaism, the religion that glorifies genocide. All you are
doing is showing rather clearly that you are a simple-minded bigot.

>
>>
>> >Your knowledge would be useful so
>> >much better
>> >elsewhere...
>>
>> What fucking knowledge?  All he's got are yid myths, fables and outright
>> lies, you traitorous little prick.<
>
>All you got are 1001 Arabian lies and your dead defeated Fuehrer's
>testament.
>
>
>
>>
>> >And I know that you are not about giving up a fight, but
>> >this fucking
>> >prick isn't even picking one...
>>
>> Dead right. I simply report truth and point out yid lies, you traitorous
>> little prick.<
>
>You're a droll Nazi troll. That's as succinctly as I can sum you up.


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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 02:44:08 -0400, Eli Grubman
 wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:17:12 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
> wrote:
>
>>On Aug 14, 2:08 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>>wrote:
>>> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:76e9c38e-6cb1-433b-8b2c-f072e84cecdb@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Aug 13, 5:32 am, "B.H. Cramer"  wrote:
>>>
>>> >> " Do g "  wrote in message
>>> >> > Nuke Egypt, Syria, Iran, problem solved.
>>>
>>> >> Why? It's Ersatz israel who causes the problems.<
>>> >You mean, the existence of Jews causes the problems, right?
>>>
>>> No. I don't mean the existence of jews is the problem, garbageguz. Learn to
>>> read, you fuckwit.<
>>
>>The existence of Israel and the existence of Jews are one and the
>>same. The Holocaust proved what happens to Jews without an Israel.
>>With an Israel, Jews can fight back. That bothers you and your
>>Islamofascist colleagues. Tough.
>
>So what's going to happen to you bastards when 'Israel' ceases to
>exist?

Nothing will happen to the Jews in Canada, for example, if Israel
ceases to exist. One status does not depend on the other.

>
>Eli


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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:43:20 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
 wrote:

>On Aug 14, 6:39 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>wrote:
>> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:fdc804f1-59a9-47f3-b7ef-c2661537e4fc@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 14, 2:08 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>> > wrote:
>> >> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:76e9c38e-6cb1-433b-8b2c-f072e84cecdb@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
>> >> On Aug 13, 5:32 am, "B.H. Cramer"  wrote:
>>
>> >> >> " Do g "  wrote in message
>> >> >> > Nuke Egypt, Syria, Iran, problem solved.
>>
>> >> >> Why? It's Ersatz israel who causes the problems.<
>> >> >You mean, the existence of Jews causes the problems, right?
>>
>> >> No. I don't mean the existence of jews is the problem, garbageguz. Learn
>> >> to
>> >> read, you fuckwit.<
>>
>> > The existence of Israel and the existence of Jews are one and the
>> > same.
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>> Very few jews can trace their roots back to what is now known as israel.<
>
>
>That's not what science says. I grant you that perhaps up to 50% of
>present day Jews are not genetically related to the Israelites of
>2000+ years ago, but the fact that at least 50% are after 2000 years
>of exile is quite amazing.

That still doesn't justify their theft of a "homeland" in the Middle
East.

>
>>
>> The rest of you turds are European with NO connection to the ME whatsoever.<
>
>You're chock full of Turd DNA. You're genetically related to all the
>shit in the world.
>
>> >The Holocaust proved what happens to Jews without an Israel.
>> <
>> What fucking holocaust?<
>
>You prove my point.
>
>> > With an Israel, Jews can fight back.
>>
>> Not terribly well. A couple thousand rag-tag, part time militia saw to that
>> in 2006.<
>
>The JEwish army still did better than your SS did against a few
>thousand barely armed Jews in Warsaw.  The fact is, that Hezbollah
>were well trained and very well armed by the Iranians, and even had
>Chinese missiles that even nearly sank an  Israeli boat. SHit, if the
>Jews in Warsaw had that kind training and arms, they probably could
>have fought your SS back to Berlin.
>
>> >That bothers you and your
>> > Islamofascist colleagues.
>>
>> Nope. What bothers me is the institutionalized lying, brutality and ongoing
>> terrorism perpetrated by the yids in Ersatz israel, garbageguz.<
>
>Problem was, we weren't brutal enough, to let 700,000 ragheads escape
>only to breed like vermin and fight us again and again.  Should have
>gassed them all back in '48.  We didn't learn our lessons from our
>German masters well enough. Damn Jewish bleeding hearts.


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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:11:13 +1000, "B.H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"jgarbuz"  wrote in message 
>news:1a262534-e749-49bf-a1da-0f0769492c3a@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>On Aug 13, 3:58 am, "ßDoüg±Ç"  wrote:
>
>
>>> Nuke Egypt, Syria, Iran, problem solved.<
>
>>It's what I have been saying right here for nearly two decades, Doug.
>>You haven't been around here that long, but if you had read my posts
>>here of more than a decade ago, I said that if Israel doesn't nuke the
>>bastards soon, it would be nukes instead. It's getting very close and
>>antsy Doug. The US is impotent now, and Russia is picking up its head,
>>so it might be time for Israel to start dusting off the nukes.
>
>Good show. I hope the izzie cunts do just that.
>
>Every izzie will then have to place his/her head between his/her legs and 
>kiss their arses goodbye.
>
>
The Israelis might be able to launch a few nukes in the direction of
the Russian Federation, but the response will be very rapid and
spectacular. Russia is not that vulnerable to nuclear attack since the
bulk of its population is still rural rather than concentrated in a
few large towns. Israel, by contrast, is extremely vulnerable to
nuclear devastation, not the least because it occupies only 20,000 km²
on the ground, whereas the Russian Federation is more than 20 Million
km², occupying about 15% of the earth's surface.

It would only take two or three of Russia's hydrogen bombs (they have
THOUSANDS) to turn all of Israel into fused glass. The Zionist project
would come to an abrupt end after rather less than a century.



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Subject: Re: Temple of Zeus found in Israel, time to establish a pagan  homeland?
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:23:15 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
 wrote:

>On Aug 14, 2:11 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>wrote:
>> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:1a262534-e749-49bf-a1da-0f0769492c3a@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 13, 3:58 am, "ßDoüg±Ç"  wrote:
>>
>> >> Nuke Egypt, Syria, Iran, problem solved.<
>> >It's what I have been saying right here for nearly two decades, Doug.
>> >You haven't been around here that long, but if you had read my posts
>> >here of more than a decade ago, I said that if Israel doesn't nuke the
>> >bastards soon, it would be nukes instead. It's getting very close and
>> >antsy Doug. The US is impotent now, and Russia is picking up its head,
>> >so it might be time for Israel to start dusting off the nukes.
>>
>> Good show. I hope the izzie cunts do just that.
>
>> Every izzie will then have to place his/her head between his/her legs and
>> kiss their arses goodbye.<
>
>At least it would be quick and not like the Holocaust. I'd launch and
>not give a fuck about the consequences. You only live once, so take
>down the enemy with you, is what I say.

You won't take down the Russian Federation. If Germany with its
considerable resources couldn't do it, then neither will some joke of
a mini-state in the Middle East called Israel. Even in the unlikely
event that you succeed in taking out Moscow and Petersburg, you still
will not survive the interaction. Russia has lost twenty million
people in wars before, and it hasn't disintegrated. Russia will
survive but Israel will not.


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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 08:49:30 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
 wrote:

>On Aug 14, 9:16 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>wrote:
>> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:19fc94eb-4232-4bcf-946d-b1c2bccc564c@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 14, 6:43 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>> > wrote:
>> >> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:0bc9f932-a7c8-492b-9695-8ada09ac476a@v57g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> > On Aug 14, 2:15 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> >> >>news:755383b8-9bbe-44a7-9518-9c098609d492@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >> On Aug 13, 3:23 am, "B.H. Cramer"  wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> BBWWWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>
>> >> >> >> The yids were fucked until Uncle Samstein came to their rescue in
>> >> >> >> '73,
>> >> >> >> dickhead.,
>> >> >> >Bullshit.
>>
>> >> >> Nope. Absolute fact, garbageguz.
>>
>> >> >> The yids threatened to use nukes if Uncle Samstein did not provide all
>> >> >> they
>> >> >> needed and wanted to fight the Arabs. Them's the facts, garbageguz.
>>
>> >> >> >First of all, the US airlifts didn't begin till around a
>> >> >> >week after the Soviet resupply airlifts began to Egypt.
>> >> >> >Second, despite the hysteria and despair that first struck the
>> >> >> >Israeli
>> >> >> >High Command, Sharon saved the day and was able to surround and
>> >> >> >defeat
>> >> >> >the Egyptians, and in fact, as it turned out in the end, Israel had
>> >> >> >just about enough to do the job without the additional US supplies.
>>
>> >> >> What a crock. Where do you dredge this shit up from, garbageguz.
>>
>> >> >> The yids were on the bones of their arses.<
>>
>> >> > Well,it's debatable.
>>
>> >> You still haven't got it have you, garbageguz. This is NOT a debate.
>>
>> >> Do you understand?<
>>
>> > Yes, it's a Nazi harangue on your part. I'm just one of those few
>> > uppity Jews that won't play sonderkommando for you. You've become too
>> > used to dealing with renegade "Jews" who pay you to suck them off.
>>
>> Nope. You're a whinging, lying, bitter old has been, who has nothing left
>> but whinging, lying and being bitter.<
>
>You got nothing, nuthin', nada, gar nicht. All you have left is your
>father's stories from the camps he used to lovingly kill Jews at. You
>just want to follow in his footsteps, and we're making it hard for
>you.
>Tough. As I advise you all the time, follow your Fuehrer...

LOL

Give it a fucking rest, garbageguz. You're batting zero.


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On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:47:13 +1000, The_Endeavor
 wrote:

>
>There is no concept in Judaism for racism. It does not exist.

The whole concept of "God's chosen people" is racism. All racists see
their own group as superior to others, and that fits the ancient
Hebrews perfectly.

>
>
>> 
>> "V"  wrote in message 
>> news:EqSdnSn8z8jEJT7VnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed0aoQa1vuU&feature=related
>> >
>> >
>> The shortest answer is that racist Jews do bad things to human beings.  It's 
>> normal, natural, as well as understandable for any human being to hate the 
>> racist Jews who do bad things to him/her.  It's also justified, legitimate, 
>> and proper for human beings to seek revenge against the racist Jews. 
>> 
>


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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:46:07 -0700 (PDT), rootless cosmopolitan
 wrote:

>On Aug 14, 9:31 am, "Kurt Knoll"  wrote:
>
>> > By Anneliese Fikentscher and Andreas Neumann
>> > Translation to English: Erik Appleby
>>
>> > [...]
>>
>> > Does Iran's President wants Israel wiped off the map?
>
>Yes, he does.
>
>Too bad for all the ones who like to defend the anti-semitic regime in
>Iran by saying the allegations against Ahmadinejad's are just
>inventions of evil "Zionists" and "US-imperialists". Ahmadinejad's
>threats and announcements that Israel will be wiped off the map or
>annihilated can be read directly at the source, e.g.:
>
>http://www.president.ir/en/print.php?ArtID=10114
>http://www.president.ir/en/print.php?ArtID=9722
>
>rc
That isn't what he said and it isn't what he meant. It IS possible to
eliminate the Jewish State (i.e. Jews having the power of life and
death over everybody else) without wiping out the Jewish inhabitants.

What was meant was that the "Jewish state" should be converted into an
ordinary state where one ethnic group does not have the power of life
or death over everybody else. I have no problem with Presbyterians,
for example, but I would strongly resist having my area turned into a
"Presbyterian state" where Presbyterians now had the power of life and
death over me and over my family. I would resist such a development
with armed force if needed, just as the Palestians are doing with a
"Jewish state".


From ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca Fri Aug 22 11:16:12 EDT 2008
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Subject: Re: VIDEO: For the six millionth time, the holocaust gas chamber  story is just war propaganda
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:34:44 -0400
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:16:16 -0700 (PDT), ex_liberal_voter
 wrote:

>On Aug 14, 6:04 pm, St Georges Day April 23rd
> wrote:
>> The Alternative Tour of Auschwitz: An Independent Investigation of the
>> Holocaust:
>>
>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5827739973918446637&hl=en
>>
>> www.adelaideinstitute.orgwww.ihr.org
>
>Sieg Heil!

LOL

You're living in the wrong century.


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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:07:06 GMT, "HD"  wrote:

>
>"."  wrote in message 
>news:df213a70-4e7f-4597-abd7-f36332c5c960@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>> 'Holocaust': The Means by Which the Richest Group in the World
>> Contrives to Cow and Milk the Rest of the Us in the Guise of Victims
>> who are Persecuted and Due Eternal Restitution.
>>
>> Reading through a thousand blog reactions to Duke v Blitzer on CNN, a
>> generalization crystallizes. People confuse being told something six
>> million times with knowing something. They are not the same. The
>> average man 'knows' the Holocaust exists because:
>>
>> 1) everybody uses the term;
>> 2) he has seen photos of stacked bodies;
>> 3) he has read Anne Frank's book;
>> 4) authorities agree that questioning any of this is 'hate.'
>>
>> In other words, the average man believes in the Holocaust for no
>> logical reason, but out ofsimple mammalian conformity.
>>
>> 'Holocaust' is a loaded, dishonest term. You can't debate with
>> undefined terms without making a joke of yourself, but the average man
>> does not realize this. It is the part of public school, reinforced by
>> mass media, to disable his thinking so that he's worse positioned to
>> defend himself because he can't understand how he is manipulated to
>> accept the illogical. Debate in the mass media of a democracy is
>> nothing but the shuffling of loaded terms.
>>
>> 'Holocaust' is no ordinary noun. Rather, it is a loaded gun leveled at
>> the head of the West and the rest. Give them their money and their
>> pride of place or get your head and reputation blown off. You will
>> notice that never, ever does debate in the captive media condescend to
>> deconstruct the Zionist Privilege embodied in and sanctified by the
>> designer label 'Holocaust.' Worship the Zionists and submit to their
>> demands - that is what the term Holocaust means.
>>
>> A demand for special privilege protected by a shell of pseudo-history;
>> that is an objective description of the term. The heart of the
>> 'Holocaust,' taking at face value the term's pretension to historical
>> designation, is the claim that six million Jews were murdered by Nazi
>> Germany, most of them by gassing. The evidence for the gassing is
>> never discussed. Photos of crematories and bodies stacked like cord
>> wood are shown. No context or explanation of the reason for showing
>> them is given. The connection is to be assumed. But never is any
>> ordinary evidence, let alone proof, of the gassing allegation
>> advanced. That Jews were gassed is treated as though it were already
>> proved and therefore unquestionable, save by the depraved. Thus, the
>> practical job of the media and the well intentioned everyman is to
>> smear and ostracize anybody who argues against settled truth. We all
>> know that Jews were gassed, and that those who say otherwise are
>> deniers driven by hate. But it ain't so just because "everybody knows"
>> it is.
>>
>> We are told repeatedly that the 'Holocaust' is both the worst thing
>> that ever happened and the best documented thing in human history. We
>> are to take these assertions on authority, since no genuine debate is
>> allowed.
>>
>> There are men who can prove the 'Holocaust' is a Big Lie
>
>
>You can find
>> them in jail. Their imprisonment is scarcely mentioned in the mass
>> media. Their imprisonment goes unlamented by the mass columnists. To
>> discuss these men and their work would endanger the Propa-sphere the
>> media construct. They must disappear. But we know, mass media. And
>> we're not going away. We're getting louder and stronger. And there's
>> nothing you can do to stop us.
>
>You are just a bunch of loud mouth despicable Nazi Idiots.
>
>
Yawn

There haven't been any Nazis, retarded or otherwise, for more than
half a century.

It is the usual irrational argument-by-invective technique.


From ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca Fri Aug 22 11:16:12 EDT 2008
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:00:03 -0400, "127.0.0.1" 
wrote:

>On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:54:42 -0500
>Topaz  wrote:
>
>> 
>> Heinrich Himmler (Reichsfuhrer SS) said in a speech in 1936 on the
>> subject of homosexuality and execution of Ernst Roehm (which he had
>> engineered): "Two years ago...when it became necessary, we did not
>> scruple to strike this plague with death, even within our own ranks."
>> Himmler closed with these words: "Just as we today have gone back to
>> the ancient Germanic view on the question of marriage mixing different
>> races, so too in our judgement of homosexuality,  a symptom of
>> degeneracy which could destroy our race,  we must return to the
>> guiding Nordic principle: extermination of degenerates"
>> 
>
>Cool!!
>Do you know they hang homo's in Iran? Its true, they don't hesitate to
>string them up.

It seems to be a feature of primitive cultures and primitive
religions. Homophobia is irrational superstition of the same sort that
gave Europe the witch trials of the middle ages.

I can understand Himmler's hangup on this topic, since that is what he
had been taught, but there isn't much excuse for a person in 2008 with
more than a grade-school education to believe such nonsense.


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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:56:43 -0500, Topaz 
wrote:

>By Walter Ruthard
>
>   I myself was brought up in a small village in the southwest of
>Germany. In 1939, when the war broke out, we left for the less exposed
>Odenwald area until the possible danger of a French invasion had
>passed. Shortly after that my father was transferred to the Ruhr
>region. He as requested work as a foreman for the Mauser arms factory.
>The government, true to their claims to be national and socialist,
>took their promises seriously and provided young people starting a
>family, as well as those who already had children, with affordable
>housing. The first child brought a reduction of the mortgage by 25
>percent, and when the fourth child arrived the mortgage was no more.
>My parents already had four children then and thus were eligible for a
>free newly built house from the government.
>
> This was but one of the many programs the government established in
>order to improve the quality of life for its citizens..
>
>  Then there was the "Kinderlandverschickung" program. It was started
>before the war and enabled mothers in need of recreation to spend some
>time in rural settings together with their children..
>
> Another very popular social program of the government was "Kraft
>durch Freude" (strength through joy). Here deserving workers could
>take all-inclusive tours on luxury liners that were built especially
>for this purpose. On these ships there was only one class and
>everybody was treated the same. They visited the Azores and
>Spitsbergen among other places. Those ships were not allowed to dock
>in and English port however. The reason was that the British
>government did not want it's citizens to see what it also could have
>done for them..
>
>  The most misinterpreted program in Germany was the so-called
>"Lebensborn". It was the exact opposite of what people are made to
>believe it was, or should I say, of what people like to believe..  The
>Lebensborn was the institution to help unwed mothers who did not know
>where to turn for help. They were taken care of during their
>pregnancies and afterward as well. This was the Lebensborn, and any
>other interpretation is plain hogwash..
>
>  My father was able to buy not one but three guns plus two pistols,
>together with plenty of ammunition. All it took him was proof that he
>was indeed a German citizen without a criminal record. Then in 1945,
>when the French "liberated" us, they disarmed him. I know that he was
>not  the only one to have guns at home, because I saw the many, many
>arms that were handed over to the French, and this was in a very small
>village..
>
>Then, after the war was over, we had our first experience with a real
>democracy. The French introduced it and gave us some shining examples;
>one was that the lived off the country and stole everything which
>wasn't nailed down..

All four of the occupying powers had really sticky fingers, not just
the French. The Americans cleaned out the bulk of the valuable stuff,
leaving mostly junk for the Russians. The Russians were the most
obvious thieves.

>
> It was not until many years later that I learned that Hitler held at
>least five plebiscites during the first half of his rule. In
>democratic Germany, from 1945 until today there has never been  a
>plebiscite. 
>
> There were foreign workers employed in Germany during WWII. I knew
>one of them. He worked on a farm and was treated exactly like the son
>who was in the army. After the war he stayed on and married the
>daughter of the house. He was a prisoner of war from Poland and I
>never saw him guarded by any policeman. This is how foreigners were
>treated in Germany. They earned the same wages as the Germans, they
>took part in the social insurance program, had paid-for holidays
>including free train fares, and many came back with friends who also
>wanted to work for these "horrible" Germans. Today they are called
>slave laborer.
>
> Not everyone was entitled to go on to a university. Only good marks
>and above-average performance in schools qualified. But good
>performers were promoted with all means available. Today we are much
>more democratic; everyone is entitled to a university education and if
>the parents are wealthy enough, the son or daughter can study until
>they are 35..
>
> Germany was also the country to introduce, in 1933, the first-ever
>comprehensive animal protection law. Farm animals had to be kept in
>strictly natural environments and no animal factories were allowed. Of
>course, no testing of products on animals was permitted, and no kosher
>slaughter.
>
>  If new industrial facilities were built they had to conform to the
>highest standards with adequate lighting and air inside, canteens
>where the workers were served nutritious meals at affordable prices,
>and beautiful lawns outside: all for the benefit of the workers.. In
>national socialist Germany, no child labor was allowed as it still was
>in other European countries. 
>
>  
>And finally, although I could still go on for a while, I would like to
>mention that on express orders from Hitler himself, it was strictly
>forbidden to use corporal punishment in the army. He was of the
>opinion that in was incompatible with the honor of a German to be
>punished by such degrading means. 
>
> That was the Germany I grew up in, and I am glad that I did.
>
>
>http://www.ihr.org/      http://www.natvan.com
>
>http://www.thebirdman.org     http://www.nsm88.org
>
>http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html     


From ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca Fri Aug 22 11:16:13 EDT 2008
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Subject: Re: Temple of Zeus found in Israel, time to establish a pagan  homeland?
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:05:28 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
 wrote:

>On Aug 14, 2:02 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 02:44:08 -0400, Eli Grubman
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:17:12 -0700 (PDT),jgarbuz
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >>On Aug 14, 2:08 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>> >>wrote:
>> >>> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> >>>news:76e9c38e-6cb1-433b-8b2c-f072e84cecdb@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
>> >>> On Aug 13, 5:32 am, "B.H. Cramer"  wrote:
>>
>> >>> >> " Do g "  wrote in message
>> >>> >> > Nuke Egypt, Syria, Iran, problem solved.
>>
>> >>> >> Why? It's Ersatz israel who causes the problems.<
>> >>> >You mean, the existence of Jews causes the problems, right?
>>
>> >>> No. I don't mean the existence of jews is the problem, garbageguz. Learn to
>> >>> read, you fuckwit.<
>>
>> >>The existence of Israel and the existence of Jews are one and the
>> >>same. The Holocaust proved what happens to Jews without an Israel.
>> >>With an Israel, Jews can fight back. That bothers you and your
>> >>Islamofascist colleagues. Tough.
>>
>> >So what's going to happen to you bastards when 'Israel' ceases to
>> >exist?
>>
>> Nothing will happen to the Jews in Canada, for example, if Israel
>> ceases to exist. One status does not depend on the other.<
>
>How do I know what will happen? I know what happened to Jews in
>Poland, Yugoslavia, France, Holland, Austria, Italy and other places
>where they had lived for centuries when things got tough. When after
>WWI, the German middle class was wiped out by hyperinflation and
>unemployment and  some guy Hitler came along, blamed the Jewish
>bolsheviks and promised the people work and prosperity and a return to
>"greatness" then bad things started happening to the Jews. In the US
>and Canada we still haven't had conditions that bad since the Great
>Depression. Personally, I think that as things get a lot worse,
>blaming the Jews always comes naturally. That is our history. When
>things are relatively good, people don't usually kill each other, even
>if they don't like other group. But when people are wiped out, lose
>their homes, their savings, and so on, the blaming the Jews or some
>other group is the most natural and easy thing to do. And it is no
>different in America or Canada than it was in Germany or France in the
>1930s. As my mother used to remind me, times may change but people
>don't.  JEws are a nation

Actually no, since Jews come in all shapes, sizes, and hide colours.
The only thing that the world's Jews have in common is their religion.
They don't even have a common language, let alone a common ethnicity.
You are talking empty Zionist nonsense.

>, and like every people have to have their
>homeland even if they don't personally live there. I'm sure that if
>Ireland came under attack by hordes of others promising to drive the
>Irish into the sea, that every American of Irish descent would come to
>Ireland's rescue, even if they prefer not to live there themselves. In
>times of danger, each group comes together. It's nature.

That isn't a very good example.

Canada is an immigration country, and lots of those immigrants come to
live in Ontario. I have no problem with any specific group coming here
simply to live. If, on the other hand, a certain ethnic or religious
group arrived in Ontario with the project of setting up an
ethnic/relgious state dedicated to their specific ethnicity/religion,
then I would oppose that even to the point of using armed force to
prevent it. There is no way that I am prepared to allow myself or my
family to be subjected to somebody else's power of life and death over
us. I have no problems with Presbyterians, for example, but I would
have a MAJOR problem with the concept of a Presbyterian State where
all the laws are framed to benefit Presbyterians and where
Presbyterians control the police and the armed services.


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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:56:33 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
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>On Aug 14, 8:48 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>wrote:
>> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:230ab622-bd4b-4831-a9aa-18a4d5c04f21@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 14, 6:39 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>> > wrote:
>> >> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:fdc804f1-59a9-47f3-b7ef-c2661537e4fc@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> > On Aug 14, 2:08 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> >> >>news:76e9c38e-6cb1-433b-8b2c-f072e84cecdb@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >> On Aug 13, 5:32 am, "B.H. Cramer"  wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> " Do g "  wrote in message
>> >> >> >> > Nuke Egypt, Syria, Iran, problem solved.
>>
>> >> >> >> Why? It's Ersatz israel who causes the problems.<
>> >> >> >You mean, the existence of Jews causes the problems, right?
>>
>> >> >> No. I don't mean the existence of jews is the problem, garbageguz.
>> >> >> Learn
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> read, you fuckwit.<
>>
>> >> > The existence of Israel and the existence of Jews are one and the
>> >> > same.
>>
>> >> Nope.
>>
>> >> Very few jews can trace their roots back to what is now known as israel.<
>>
>> > That's not what science says.
>>
>> It's exactly what science says, garbageguz. Apart from two yids who
>> committed academic fraud to distort their research outcomes.<
>
>You have not, and cannot provide a reference to any modern DNA
>research that refutes what I have stated. You can lie and deny all you
>want, but the truth cannot be suppressed forever.

Genuine Jews descended from the ancient Hebrews have the same DNA as
Arabs and other Semitic people in the region. There is no DNA test for
Jewishness.


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Subject: Re: Temple of Zeus found in Israel, time to establish a pagan  homeland?
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:12:14 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
 wrote:

>On Aug 14, 2:04 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:43:20 -0700 (PDT),jgarbuz
>> el.<
>>
>> >That's not what science says. I grant you that perhaps up to 50% of
>> >present day Jews are not genetically related to the Israelites of
>> >2000+ years ago, but the fact that at least 50% are after 2000 years
>> >of exile is quite amazing.
>>
>> That still doesn't justify their theft of a "homeland" in the Middle
>> East.<
>
>The Arabs were the thieves and squatters.

That is Zionist nonsense. The last independent Jewish state in the
area vanished in 586 BC or 2594 years ago. Jews as a group, have no
claim to the area. Jews as individuals should be able to live there,
but a "Jewish state" that gives Jews a monopoly on violence and allows
them to make laws to favour Jews at the expense of others is simply
not acceptable.


> The Jews just came home.
>It's as if tens of millions of American Indians came home from exile
>overseas. 

>If anyone tried to stop them with violence, they would have
>every right to respond with tenfold violence.

The Indians were entitled to use violence when the European "settlers"
first came with the view to setting up a European state that gives
special privileges to Europeans, but not now. 


> Especially if the League
>of Nations or the UN said they  had the right to return home.

The League of Nations had no right to give away the land of the
Palestinians. The League of Nations was just another allied artifice
to manipulate the world's population for the benefit of a few European
colonialist powers.


From ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca Fri Aug 22 11:16:14 EDT 2008
Article: 1931974 of alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Temple of Zeus found in Israel, time to establish a pagan  homeland?
From: Johannes von Ebersdorf 
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:01:48 -0400
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:50:25 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
 wrote:

>
>Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:17:12 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
>>  wrote:
>>
>
>> >
>> >The existence of Israel and the existence of Jews are one and the
>> >same.
>>
>> That is complete nonsense. Israel endangers all the Jewish people on
>> the planet with its reckless militarism and general criminality.<
>
>Don't be ridiculous. FIrst of all, had at least 1 million Jews come to
>"Palestine" from Europe in the 1930s and stayed, they would have
>outnumbered the Arabs and created the Jewish State before 1939, and
>there never would have been a Holocaust.

The Arabs are not stupid and recognized that the Jews were bogus
settlers that were coming to force themselves on the indigenous
population. The Arabs had and have every right to defend themselves
against this horde.


> I will agree, that we Jews
>are partially responsible for NOT coming and staying in Palestine in
>sufficient numbers to create the state before the world war began. And
>I agree with Reverend Hagee with his expression that the Holocaust was
>God's punishment for not going and establishing the Jewish state
>earlier on in the 1920s and '30s, instead of hanging around in Europe.
>Of course, the Arab terror against Jews in the '20s and '30s didn't
>help. My own mother wanted to go to Palestine in the early 1930s, but
>my grandmother stopped her from doing so, and so she later perished at
>the hands of your Nazi brethren.
>Israel is the JEwish homeland, and all Jews who don't support it are
>those who still trust Gentiles to protect them, which is as misplaced
>today as it was in the 1930s.
>
> I
>> have no problem with the Jewish people who live down the street, but I
>> certainly have a major problem with Israel and its genocidal policies.<
>
>I have a problem with you living up my street. I don't care about how
>you feel regarding us. Jews have as much right to live in America as
>do WASPs.

Why is that? According to you, Arabs have no rights to their own
areas. The rights of Jews don't trump the rights of anybody else. Jews
don't have a "right" to move to Canada. Canadians decide who is
allowed to settle in Canada. Jews didn't have a "right" to move into
Palestine and displace the local people.

> Jews have been here since 1654. However, since there are
>more of you than there are of me, obviously I need a Jewish homeland
>just in case you people go back to your old murderous ways.
>
>> > The Holocaust proved what happens to Jews without an Israel.
>>
>> That is a non sequitur. One idea does not follow from the other.
>> Israel does not produce a safe environment for Jews within Israel, let
>> alone in other countries around the world.<
>
>Israel is as safe as any country, including the US. The US has
>millions of illegals jumping the border every year. The reason I don't
>live in Israel anymore is because Jews don't get along very well with
>each other. But that's true of Arabs too. I don't deny the ARabs the
>right to their 22 countries, or the Muslims their 56, but they will
>not succeed in denying us our homeland.
>
>> >With an Israel, Jews can fight back.
>>
>> This is just your silly fantasy, not reality. Israel is a
>> postage-stamp kingdom of 20,000 km? without any world significance,
>> nuclear weapons or no.<
>
>What significance does it have to have? It doesn't have to have any
>significance. It just has to be left alone to live in peace within
>itself. The big countries like the US, RUssia, China, India, Japan,
>Germany, France, they all want to be big shots in the world. Israel
>doesn't want to be a big shot. It just wants to survive with a modicum
>of peace and prosperity. That's all. It wants to be like Switzerland
>or Sweden: small, prosperous and peaceful.

You gave that away when you stole land belonging to others. You will
never have peace as a result. Poland and the Czech republic have
likewise benefited from genocide and their countries sit on stolen
terrain. They will likewise never have lasting peace. Each year since
1945, the authorities in western Germany and now the authorities in
united Germany send a diplomatic note to both Poland and the Czech
republic reminding these jurisdictions that Germany does not regard
their frontiers with Germany as final.

>
>
>> > That bothers you and your
>> >Islamofascist colleagues. Tough.
>>
>> Neo-Israel embodies the principles of fascism much better than do any
>> Islamic countries. Israel is an anachronism that does not belong in
>> the 21st century.<
>
>The Islamofascists want to be big shots. They pine after some old Arab
>empire of the 10th century, and to recreate some Caliphate and bring
>all the "infidels" under their Koran and their Muhammad and their
>Allah. They are pissed at Israel because it dares to exist and defeat
>their aggression time after time,

The Zionists are the aggressors and the war criminals.

> and that just slays them
>emotionally. If they can't overcome little Israel, how can they
>overcome the big countries?

A handful of Lebanese gave them a run for their money just recently
and all that the "heroic" Israelis were able to do was massacre
civilians. There certainly isn't any glory or respectability in that.
It did make the world's people more aware of what an obscenity Israel
really is.

> Now their hope is infiltrate and
>overpopulate and try to take over demographically.

Why is swamping the local population an acceptable technique for
Zionists but not for others? You are being inconsistent and
irrational.

> But I think they
>are going to fail anyway. I know they will.


From ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca Fri Aug 22 11:16:15 EDT 2008
Article: 1931975 of alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Temple of Zeus found in Israel, time to establish a pagan  homeland?
From: Johannes von Ebersdorf 
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:05:06 -0400
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:23:31 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
 wrote:

>On Aug 14, 2:18 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:23:15 -0700 (PDT),jgarbuz
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Aug 14, 2:11 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>> >wrote:
>> >> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:1a262534-e749-49bf-a1da-0f0769492c3a@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>> >> On Aug 13, 3:58 am, "ßDoüg±Ç"  wrote:
>>
>> >> >> Nuke Egypt, Syria, Iran, problem solved.<
>> >> >It's what I have been saying right here for nearly two decades, Doug.
>> >> >You haven't been around here that long, but if you had read my posts
>> >> >here of more than a decade ago, I said that if Israel doesn't nuke the
>> >> >bastards soon, it would be nukes instead. It's getting very close and
>> >> >antsy Doug. The US is impotent now, and Russia is picking up its head,
>> >> >so it might be time for Israel to start dusting off the nukes.
>>
>> >> Good show. I hope the izzie cunts do just that.
>>
>> >> Every izzie will then have to place his/her head between his/her legs and
>> >> kiss their arses goodbye.<
>>
>> >At least it would be quick and not like the Holocaust. I'd launch and
>> >not give a fuck about the consequences. You only live once, so take
>> >down the enemy with you, is what I say.
>>
>> You won't take down the Russian Federation. <
>
>Why would we want to? But if any country tries to destroy Israel,
>Israel will do its darndest to destroy it first. Look, 400 nukes
>including 30 hydrogen bombs is nothing to sneeze at either.
>
>If Germany with its
>> considerable resources couldn't do it,<
>
>Germany didn't have atomic bombs, because its smart Jews went to
>America and built them for America.

How smart could they have been if they did something as stupid as
create nuclear bombs? All the American scientists did was apply
physical principles that were developed in Germany by German
physicists. Americans, like Russians, like to take credit for the work
of others.

>> then neither will some joke of
>> a mini-state in the Middle East called Israel. Even in the unlikely
>> event that you succeed in taking out Moscow and Petersburg, you still
>> will not survive the interaction. Russia has lost twenty million
>> people in wars before, and it hasn't disintegrated. Russia will
>> survive but Israel will not.<
>
>My father was in the Red Army

How many people did he rape? R