Subject: [13texan] Re: Belzec investigation - mass graves found
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 00:12:45 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

David Griffin wrote:

> >What would you concsider "proof," David? Tell us what your standards of
> >evidence are.
>
> One shread of evidence....One written communication from one German officer
> to another...in a country of 60 million people, that should be very easy to
> produce....The Germans are very careful record-keepers....And it is not
> practical to believe that everything was done word-of-mouth......Only
> children believe in the holocaust....adults need proof.....Jews were
> traitors that were concentrated...nothing more, nothing less...You still
> have not proved that there was a concerted effort on the part of the Third
> Riech to kill Jews.....and you have had over 50 years to do it...Time is
> running out.

Thank you for your kind response. I am pleased to see that you will accept one
written communication "from one German officer to another," because there are a
good many of those. How many of these would you like to see, David?

Does this suggest anything to you, David:

"Bezüglich der Judenfrage ist der Führer entschlossen, reinen Tisch zu machen.
Er hat den Juden prophezeit, daß, wenn sie noch einmal einen Weltkrieg
herbeiführen würden, sie dabei ihre Vernichtung erleben würden. Das ist keine
Phrase gewesen. Der Weltkrieg ist da, die Vernichtung des Judentums muß die
notwendige Folge sein"

"With respect of the Jewish Question, the Führer has decided to make a clean
sweep. He prophesied to the Jews that if they again brought about a world war,
they would live to see their annihilation in it. That wasn't just a catch-word.
The world war is here, and the annihilation of the Jews must be the necessary
consequence." (Joseph Goebbels, diary entry, Dec. 12, 1941)

On Dec. 18, 1941, Reichsfuehrer SS Himmler wrote, in his notes regarding a
meeting with Hitler at the Wolfsschanze,

"Judenfrage / als Partisanen auszurotten"

"Jewish Question / to be exterminated like the partisans"

Perhaps you would find the testimony of German officers of interest, David. The
most recent examples can be found in thr trial of Eichmann - nizkor has the
complete transcripts, at
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/e/eichmann-adolf/transcripts/ - Erich Von Dem
Bach Zelewski had this to say (among other things):

"At that time I also heard of illegal activity on the part of these Operations
Units. I believe that all generals in the East knew about this. By illegal
activity, I mean shootings by the Operations Units, which took place without
any basis in law. I was not informed as to the complete extent of this
activity. Only after the end of the War did I become aware of that. I should
also like to stress that both the Generals and I did not approve of this
illegal activity and were critical of it.

"As far as I know, for supply purposes the Operations Units were subordinate to
the Army Groups or Armies. From conversations I had with Nebe and his successor
Naumann, when I met them in Russia - both of whom led Operations Units - I got
to know that they received their operational orders directly from the Head
Office for Reich Security. I do not know any details as to how the orders were
transmitted, nor do I know any details about the actual orders. At the time I
understood the assignment of the Operations Units to be the liquidation of
underground movements and the extermination of Jews."

His last rank, by the way, was SS Obergruppenfuehrer and General of the
Waffen-SS and Police.

You might also want to read the Franke-Gricksch Report, which nizkor has, at
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/auschwitz/crematoria/franke-gricksche.html -
there's an image of the German original.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: The Institut Fuer Zeitgeschicthe On Nazi Gass
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 05:29:04 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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Charles wrote:

> Phil
>
> How do you cremate bodys in a over where no fire tuches the
> body ? Do you know how much heat it take to cremate a body?

Yes. The temperature usually must reach 1500 degress F. The crematory
ovens built by the Nazis were more than capable of this. It should be
noted that very few deniers deny that cremation of bodies occurred at
various camps. The physical evidence and documentation are too
extensive.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: "Big Lie": Herb
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 05:34:13 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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Eddie Kadach wrote:

> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> The only thinking warped is yours and that of your filthy
> >talmud.....you are
> >> an enemy of Christ, and that is obvious to all who have read what
> >what you
> >> have written...you and your lot will suffer the same fate you have
> >> experienced in every other country which you have fled.
> >
> >
> >It is your thinking that is warped. No true Christian would
coutenance
> >it for a minute. The only thing filthy about the Talmud are the lies
> >and distortion told about it. You should be more concerned with your
> >own fate on judgment day.
> >
> >Philip Mathews
>
>
>
> Mathews, I don't believe for one minute that besides you, that there
> is anyone on this list that doesn't know the filth that resides in
> your Talmud.

What they think they know, or are more than willing to believe, is
neither here nor there. Like you, they probably know next to nothing
about it, except what is fed to them by antisemites, often website
based.

 It's common knowledge what is contained within the pages
> of it. It is anti-christ just like you apparently are.

It's is common ignorance, based on the lies and distortions of those
who seek a reason to denigrate Jews.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: The Institut Fuer Zeitgeschicthe On Nazi Gass
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 05:36:42 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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Michael Snead wrote:

> In a message dated 8/31/99 11:44:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> philnancy@aol.com writes:
>
> << And you're a Jew hater.
>
>  Philip Mathews
>   >>
> Thank You

Your welcome. Now explain it to the Lord.

Philip Mathews

> Michael Snead
> 14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: over 60 million Christians
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 05:40:04 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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Eddie Kadach wrote:

> >Charles wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> >original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=624
> >> Mr. Mathews it may intrest you to know that, Russian
> >> Jews killed over 60 million WHITE Christians during
> >> the Russian revolution. It is also a historical fact!
> >
> >How do you know they were all Christians? How do you know it was 60
> >million?  Where are all the bodies and what was the cause of death?
> >Have you seen 60 million autopsy reports? What evidence do you have
for
> >this historical fact?
> >>
> >> Now ask one of the White Christian victims or their
> >> families if they love the jews who killed them .
> >
> >They were not killed by Jews, they were killed by Soviet Communists,
>
>
> Same people!

Nonsense. I note you avoided answering the questions!

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: "Big Lie": Herb
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 08:22:11 CDT
From: "David Griffin" 
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

>From: philnancy@aol.com
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>philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
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> >
> >
> >
> > >From: philnancy@aol.com
> > >Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
> > >To: 13texan@eGroups.com
> > >Subject: [13texan] Re: "Big Lie": Herb
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> > >philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> > >original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=531
> > > > In a message dated 8/30/99 9:48:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > > philnancy@aol.com writes:
> > > >
> > > > << The fact that Karl Marx was a non practicing Jew doesn't mean
> > >Communism
> > > >  is a Jewish political system. I very much doubt your contention
>about
> > > >  1935 and the Politboro composition. Any source for it?
> > > >
> > > >  Philip Mathews >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My Awakening by David Duke 1998...This book will give you more
> > >references
> > > > than you would care to read.
> > >
> > >David Duke is bereft of any knowledge, education, or insight that
>would
> > >interest me. Mr. Duke is hardly an expert on communism or political
> > >philosophy.  His opinions are based on his racism and hatred, not
> > >learning.
> >
> >
> > And when the talmud states that it is ok for Jews to have sex with 3
>year
> > old little girls, what is that based
> > on?...education?...learning?...knowledge?..
>
>Believing that is based on gross ignorance and hate. You might as well
>quote me passages on the existence of UFO's and body snatching..........
>
>Philip Mathews

You're ranting....Here is what your dirty book states, as I'm sure you know
very well....but for the sake of Jesus' followers, I'll post it:

Sanhedrin 55b . A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three
years "and a day" old)

David

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Subject: [13texan] Re: What is really going on here.
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 08:35:25 CDT
From: "David Griffin" 
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>From: Charles 
>Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
>To: 13texan@egroups.com
>Subject: [13texan] Re: What is really going on here.
>Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:08:36 -0400
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>Phil the jew lie I am speaking of is the lie that
>the KHAZAR jew are the people who were written about
>in the Bible.
>
>Now go argue with the jews at khazaria.com please!
>
>I will have no more...........
>
>Charles

So true, Charles...I believe that the jews really know that they are not
Israel; but neither do they care...it justs suits their interests to keep
this jew lie going....even the apostle Paul said that the jews were
"contrary to all men".....but someday the lie will be uncovered, and the
jews will again have to find another land to flee to; as they have had to so
many times in their dirty history.

David

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Belzec investigation - mass graves found
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 08:43:14 CDT
From: "David Griffin" 
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>From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
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>In a message dated 8/31/99 3:00:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>gormanh@home.com
>writes:
>
><< David, what about the other 5,500,000 Jews murdered by the Nazis? Were
>they also
>  "bent on destroying their own country?" >>
>
>Herb,
>     As a matter of fact the Jews were bent on destroying Germany It wasn't
>"their"
>own country to begin with. Once the leaches finish with their host country
>they move on. Remember 1933 Jews world wide declared war on Germany even
>those in that country.....
>Michael Snead

Exactly, Michael....The German Jews declared war on Germany in 1933; not the
other way around....And I think it was very kind of Herr Hitler to allow the
Jews to keep their children with them in prison...Can you imagine how the
Jews would be screaming now, if Herr Hitler had ripped the little Jewish
babies out of their mother's arms?.....Some people are so hard to please,
Michael.

David

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Burden of Proof
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 08:49:16 CDT
From: "David Griffin" 
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>From: philnancy@aol.com
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>David Griffin wrote:
>
>
>
>
>philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
>original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=597
>
> >
> > I believe Mr. Snead asked you what what religion you adheared
>to....did I
> > miss your answer?
>
>You did not.
>
>
>...your tone is defineately Jewish...which would account
> > for your support of His enemies.
>
>Your assumption is ignorant and antisemitic. I suspect He thinks you
>are an ass. I'm sure He disavows your non Christian values.
>
>Philip Mathews

You're ranting, Philip :)

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Subject: [13texan] Re: The Institut Fuer Zeitgeschicthe On Nazi Gass
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 09:00:30 CDT
From: "David Griffin" 
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>From: Charles 
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>Phil
>
>How do you cremate bodys in a over where no fire tuches the
>body ? Do you know how much heat it take to cremate a body?
>I do ! I was once offered the opportunity to attend a school
>to learn the art of cremation for a hospital where I worked.
>
>This is my last message to this list... God Bless and Keep
>His Sheep untill the time we all meet in His Kindom .
>
>Charles
>

Don't let them get to you, Charles...Just delete every message with "Herb
Gorman" or "philnancy" before you open it up...that will get rid of most of
the jewish trash.....hang in there, bro...we need ya'.

Hail Jesus' Victory!
David

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Subject: [13texan] Be it know as for me !
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 10:23:29 -0400
From: Charles 
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

> Don't let them get to you, Charles...Just delete every message with "Herb
> Gorman" or "philnancy" before you open it up...that will get rid of most of
> the jewish trash.....hang in there, bro...we need ya'.
>
> Hail Jesus' Victory!
> David

   I really have no intrest in all this Who gassed jews etc... talk , I
am
mostly interested in Bible and Ealry Church History and fellowshiping
with
other Christian Identity people to learn views and share opinions about
these
subjects.

If anyone wants to talk about these subjects, I will welcome their input
into
this area of conversation... However I refuse to be drawn into this
Pro-Jewish
Pro-Communist propaganda.

1. I believe Adam was the first white man.
2. Eve had sex with the evil one.
3. Christ Kingdom is hear and no as well as in His Fathers House
[Heaven]
that it is a spiritual place where flesh and blood can not enter into.
4. When we who are saved die we go to live with Christ in His Kindom and
that His Kindom is not and nor will it ever be part of this earth.

If someone comment does not address these issues I care not to readdress
them!

Charles

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Subject: [13texan] Re: "Big Lie": Herb
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 10:08:34 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

David Griffin wrote:

> > > >
> > > >philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> > > >original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=531
> > > > > In a message dated 8/30/99 9:48:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > > > philnancy@aol.com writes:
> > > > >
> > > > > << The fact that Karl Marx was a non practicing Jew doesn't
mean
> > > >Communism
> > > > >  is a Jewish political system. I very much doubt your
contention
> >about
> > > > >  1935 and the Politboro composition. Any source for it?
> > > > >
> > > > >  Philip Mathews >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > My Awakening by David Duke 1998...This book will give you more
> > > >references
> > > > > than you would care to read.
> > > >
> > > >David Duke is bereft of any knowledge, education, or insight that
> >would
> > > >interest me. Mr. Duke is hardly an expert on communism or
political
> > > >philosophy.  His opinions are based on his racism and hatred, not
> > > >learning.
> > >
> > >
> > > And when the talmud states that it is ok for Jews to have sex
with 3
> >year
> > > old little girls, what is that based
> > > on?...education?...learning?...knowledge?..
> >
> >Believing that is based on gross ignorance and hate. You might as
well
> >quote me passages on the existence of UFO's and body
snatching..........
> >
> >Philip Mathews
>
> You're ranting....Here is what your dirty book states, as I'm sure
you know
> very well....but for the sake of Jesus' followers, I'll post it:
>
> Sanhedrin 55b . A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically,
three
> years "and a day" old)

It is the manner of the Talmud to examine extreme theoretical cases in
order to precisely define and delineate legal concepts.
Such study is mandated because the laws are part of the Written and
Oral Torah, not necessarily because they have practical
application.

There are different legal consequences arising from an act of
intercourse (related to personal status, punishment for rape,
property rights etc.) and the Talmud investigates whether such an act
committed on a baby girl has the status of intercourse or
not. There is an ancient tradition that states that if the girl is
older than the age of three then an act of intercourse was
committed; before that age, such an act does not have the status of
sexual intercourse for legal purposes (it may be an act of
assault, of course).

The passage in question states as follows: "A girl of three years and a
day is [capable of being] married by an act of intercourse
..." and the Talmud continues to list further legal consequences of an
act of intercourse (laws of personal status, property etc.).

The reference to marriage refers to a case in which the father of the
girl delivers his daughter to a man with the intention that he
create a marriage bond with his daughter by having relations with her.
>From a legal point of view this procedure creates a
marriage with all the legal consequences that flow therefrom. This is a
legal conclusion which has nothing to do with rabbinic
endorsement of such practices or with the number of such occurrences in
history.

In fact the rabbis strongly opposed formation of the marriage bond by
intercourse (at any age) and punished those who acted
in such manner (Kidushin 12b). They further taught that the father's
right to marry off his daughter was to be used for her
benefit. The age and manner of marriage is to a large extent a societal
variable but at Kidushin 41a the rabbis taught: "It is
forbidden for a man to betroth his daughter while she is young [but
rather he should wait] till she has grown and says 'This is
the one I want [to marry]" and this teaching is repeated elsewhere in
the Talmud.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Belzec investigation - mass graves found
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 10:22:15 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

David Griffin wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=659
>
>
>
> >From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
> >Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
> >To: 13texan@egroups.com
> >Subject: [13texan] Re: Belzec investigation - mass graves found
> >Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:15:43 EDT
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> >aIMVxYd5__ (3963) for <13texan@egroups.com>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999
23:15:43
> >-0400 (EDT)
> >Message-ID: 
> >X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10
> >
> >In a message dated 8/31/99 3:00:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> >gormanh@home.com
> >writes:
> >
> ><< David, what about the other 5,500,000 Jews murdered by the Nazis?
Were
> >they also
> >  "bent on destroying their own country?" >>
> >
> >Herb,
> >     As a matter of fact the Jews were bent on destroying Germany It
wasn't
> >"their"
> >own country to begin with. Once the leaches finish with their host
country
> >they move on. Remember 1933 Jews world wide declared war on Germany
even
> >those in that country.....
> >Michael Snead
>
>
> Exactly, Michael....The German Jews declared war on Germany in 1933;
not the
> other way around....And I think it was very kind of Herr Hitler to
allow the
> Jews to keep their children with them in prison...Can you imagine how
the
> Jews would be screaming now, if Herr Hitler had ripped the little
Jewish
> babies out of their mother's arms?.....Some people are so hard to
please,
> Michael.

You've mangled the facts, unfortunately. First, German Jews as a group
made no declaration at all. You are referring to the announcement by
the World Jewish Congress that it would support the democracies in the
imminent war. Nazi apologists have labled this a declaration of war in
an attempt to fabricated some excuse for the Nazi treatment of Jews.
The World Jewish Congess did not speak for all Jews, and it did not
declare war. Nations with governmental powers and standing armies
declare and wage war and European Jews had neither.

You've also got the year wrong. The announcement was made in 1939.
During the years prior to this Jews were removed from many professions,
property confiscated, beaten, killed and their businesses confiscated.
The passage of the Nuremberg laws in 1935, stripping Jews of
citizenship among other things, and the widespread destruction of
Jewish businesses and Temples during Kristallnacht, highlighted the
years of repression leading up to the brink of war. So the
pronouncement by the World Jewish Congress was a response to many years
of outright repression of Jews by the Nazis, not the other way around.

These actions against Jews in the 1930's were mere prelude to the
deadly Final Solution attempted beginning in 1941.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Burden of Proof
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 10:24:05 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

David Griffin wrote:

> >
> >David Griffin wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> >original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=597
> >
> > >
> > > I believe Mr. Snead asked you what what religion you adheared
> >to....did I
> > > miss your answer?
> >
> >You did not.
> >
> >
> >...your tone is defineately Jewish...which would account
> > > for your support of His enemies.
> >
> >Your assumption is ignorant and antisemitic. I suspect He thinks you
> >are an ass. I'm sure He disavows your non Christian values.
> >
> >Philip Mathews
>
>
> You're ranting, Philip :)

Nope, a proper assessment of the situation.

Philip Mathews
>
> ______________________________________________________

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Subject: [13texan] Re: The Institut Fuer Zeitgeschicthe On Nazi Gass
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 10:25:49 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

David Griffin wrote:

> >Phil
> >
> >How do you cremate bodys in a over where no fire tuches the
> >body ? Do you know how much heat it take to cremate a body?
> >I do ! I was once offered the opportunity to attend a school
> >to learn the art of cremation for a hospital where I worked.
> >
> >This is my last message to this list... God Bless and Keep
> >His Sheep untill the time we all meet in His Kindom .
> >
> >Charles
> >
>
> Don't let them get to you, Charles...Just delete every message with
"Herb
> Gorman" or "philnancy" before you open it up...that will get rid of
most of
> the jewish trash.....hang in there, bro...we need ya'.

Ah, so you think Jews are trash?

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: The Institut Fuer Zeitgeschicthe On Nazi Gass
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:00:09 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Phil,
    At 2500 degrees it takes about 8 minutes to cremate a body so with the
1500 degrees being a 60% reduction in heat then it would of course take 60%
longer to cremate a body. In other words at 1500 degrees it would take 12
minutes 48 seconds. Lets say these imaginary ovens held ten bodies and the
600,000 that supposedly were cremated (excluding your babies of the breast)
in the one camp there would have had to of been 60,000 burns at 12 minutes 48
seconds.
    Without stopping for cleanup of the human and coal ashes it would take
534 burn days to accomplish that feat. No aerial photographs were taken with
billows of black smoke pouring from the smoke stacks taken by allied forces.
[Why would the allied forces touch up photos to eliminate the smoke, if
anything they would have added smoke to make their case strong in the
Nuremberg kangaroo courts]. There would have been tons of ash from both human
and coal. Also we all know that Jews don't burn well, i.e. Shadrach Meshach
and Abednego.
Michael Snead
14-88

In a message dated 9/1/99 8:31:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, philnancy@aol.com
writes:

<< Yes. The temperature usually must reach 1500 degress F. The crematory
 ovens built by the Nazis were more than capable of this. It should be
 noted that very few deniers deny that cremation of bodies occurred at
 various camps. The physical evidence and documentation are too
 extensive. >>

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Subject: [13texan] Re: "Big Lie": Herb
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:05:10 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Phil,
    It's is real common ignorance, based on the lies and distortions of those
who seek a reason to vindicate the Jews.

Michael Snead
14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: The Institut Fuer Zeitgeschicthe On Nazi Gass
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 11:18:56 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Michael Sneed wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=668
> Phil,
>     At 2500 degrees it takes about 8 minutes to cremate a body so
with the
> 1500 degrees being a 60% reduction in heat then it would of course
take 60%
> longer to cremate a body. In other words at 1500 degrees it would
take 12
> minutes 48 seconds.

You've made an erroneous assumption. I was asked a temperature for
cremation. Approx. 1500 is the minimum temperature target, the ovens at
Auschwitz ran much hotter. But this is irrlevant since your following
assumptions are also in error.

 Lets say these imaginary ovens held ten bodies and the
> 600,000 that supposedly were cremated (excluding your babies of the
breast)
> in the one camp there would have had to of been 60,000 burns at 12
minutes 48
> seconds.

Actually based on testimony and the operating manual of the
manufacturer, the time was about twice this long at Auschwitz. But you
assume individual body cremations, such as you would find in a
commercial crematory. The Nazis put 2, 3 and occasionally more bodies
into a retort at a single time.  Auschwitz-Birkenau had 46 retorts when
in full operation.  Try the math with that data!

>     Without stopping for cleanup of the human and coal ashes it would
take
> 534 burn days to accomplish that feat.

Incorrect assumptions, as noted above. By the way, they didn't use coal.

 No aerial photographs were taken with
> billows of black smoke pouring from the smoke stacks taken by allied
forces.

There are allied photographs ( a few) for only Auschwitz-Birkenau
during operation, so your contention is incorrect. Even for A-B there
are only a few photos taken over a few days. Your point is meaningless
in any event, no one denies the existence of crematory ovens at Nazi
camps.


> [Why would the allied forces touch up photos to eliminate the smoke,
if
> anything they would have added smoke to make their case strong in the
> Nuremberg kangaroo courts].

You've just answered your silly, and unsupported conspiracy theory.
They didn't. The trials involving the activities at the individual
camps are seperate from Nuremberg, which was not a kangaroo court.

> There would have been tons of ash from both human
> and coal.

Ash was buried, scattered in fields, and dissolved in the water of
lakes, ponds and at Auschwitz, the Vistula. Not a difficult process, as
the Nazi perpetrators told us.

 Also we all know that Jews don't burn well, i.e. Shadrach Meshach
> and Abednego.

Neither do your cremation theories!

Philip Mathews

> Michael Snead
> 14-88
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 9/1/99 8:31:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
philnancy@aol.com
> writes:
>
> << Yes. The temperature usually must reach 1500 degress F. The
crematory
>  ovens built by the Nazis were more than capable of this. It should be
>  noted that very few deniers deny that cremation of bodies occurred at
>  various camps. The physical evidence and documentation are too
>  extensive. >>

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Subject: [13texan] Re: over 60 million Christians
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:43:48 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Philip,
    Your rhetoric is amusing.  When Charles wrote,"Jews killed over 60
million WHITE Christians during the Russian revolution. It is also a
historical fact!" You and I both know that he meant that they were of the
Christian persuasion. Now I have given you the title of this book once and
here it is again. THE WOLF OF THE KREMLIN written by the the nephew of Lazar
M. Kaganovich, Stuart Kahan. This murdering Jew, Kaganovich was responsible
for the death of 20 million Russians and even tells about it in the book.
Lenin was a Jew and Stalin was married to a Jew twice! His third wife was the
sister of Lazar M. Kaganovich. Trotsky was a Jew and the leaders of the
Bolshevik Revolution were all Jews. If you want proof start your research I
do not care to waste much time with you.

> >>
Philip wrote:
 >How do you know they were all Christians?

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Belzec investigation - mass graves found
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:06:15 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Philip,
    I HAVE THE ORIGINAL DAILY EXPRESS THAT IS A JEWISH NEWSPAPER THAT PLAINLY
HEADLINES,"JEWISH 'DECLARATION OF WAR' AGAINST GERMANY. DATED: FRIDAY MARCH
26, 1933!  I HAVE THE BOOK ,  AMERICA FACES THE NEXT WAR BY JEW FRANK H.
SIMONDS.
Michael Snead
14/88

In a message dated 9/1/99 1:26:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, philnancy@aol.com
writes:

<< The World Jewish Congess did not speak for all Jews, and it did not
 declare war. Nations with governmental powers and standing armies
 declare and wage war and European Jews had neither.
  >>

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Subject: [13texan] Re: The Institut Fuer Zeitgeschicthe On Nazi Gass
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:12:57 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

In a message dated 9/1/99 2:21:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, philnancy@aol.com
writes:

<<  Auschwitz-Birkenau had 46 retorts when
 in full operation.  Try the math with that data!
  >>
I won't have to try the math for the simple fact that the coal was not
availabe for the burns and nor was the rail system always intact for the
Barbecuing meat and fuel. highly impossible. The Jews have in my life time
tried to stroke the pity pockets of the masses and it is about to come to an
abrupt halt.
Michael Snead
14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: over 60 million Christians
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 15:27:54 -0400
From: Charles 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Michael,

Do like me and just don't respond to Philip. It is clear to
see that, it does not matter to him how many whites or Christians
died at the hands of the jews in past or present history for to
him anyone other that a jew is just goy [cattle]. He can't defend
the jew for his evil acts, can't prove any jews are related to
Israel of the bible or that the jews don't control world banks
and world goverments.

We on the other hand know these facts because they are written and
recorded in history books printed by the jews themseleves. I like
only one thing about jews, that being they have been unable to
hide any of the thing they have done in all history they like to
recordes it so very well for us to read as though they are proud
of it and fly it in our faces because the goy sleep for now.

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Subject: [13texan] Clinton and WWIII
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 16:33:10 -0400
From: Charles 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Subject:        NewsMax.com: Bill Clinton's "Third Term"
        Date:    Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:48:51 -0600
       From:    spiker 
    Reply-To:  texas_net@egroups.com
 Organization N/A

There are already three resolutions (all the same, but with different
numbers and various sponsors) to repeal the 22nd Amendment relating to
presidential term limitations.  All three bills have been referred to
the House
Committee on the Judiciary, and subsequently the Subcommittee on the
Constitution.

H.J. Res. 17 (introduced 1/6/99)
sponsors: Rep. Serrano, Jose
 Rep. Shays, Christopher

H.J. Res. 24 (introduced 2/28/99)
sponsors: Rep. Frank, Barney

H.J. Res. 38 (introduced 3/11/99)
sponsors: Rep. Hoyer, Steny H.
 Rep Hyde, Henry J.
 Rep Frank, Barney
 Rep Berman, Howard L,
 Rep Sensenbrenner, James, Jr.
 Rep Sabo, Martin Olav
 Rep Pallone, Frank, Jr.
 Rep Shays, Christopher

http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=1999/8/29/171120

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          Inside Cover
   Bill Clinton's "Third Term"

      With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

         For the story behind the story...

  Sunday August 29, 6:03 PM

  Bill Clinton's "Third Term"

  Sean David Morton is a futurologist. He says he can predict the
  future.

  Morton, no doubt, has many friends in Hollywood that like such
  new age stuff. A NewsMax reader sent us a copy of Morton's The
  Delphi Associates Newsletter. The following caught Inside
  Cover's eye:

  "I have now heard confirmation from three different sources who
  are very close to the Clintons that Bill has no intention of
  leaving the White House! At first I thought it was just
  right-wing paranoia. But a powerful woman friend of mine in
  entertainment (who must remain nameless!), who is a friend of
  Hillary's 'special friends,' was at the White House recently for
  a holiday. She said that Clinton spoke openly about finding a
  way to circumvent the Congress and the Constitution and find a
  way to stay on for another term, or stay president indefinitely.
  Incredulously, she asked how he was going to swing this feat of
  magic, and she said he got the most chilling, evil, demonic look
  in his eye that she had ever seen come from a human being, and
  he said, 'World War III.'"

  "This same story I heard from my lady friend, and another
  relation of the Clintons, was recently confirmed in an article
  by Ralph Forbes. It seems Clinton has been running this scheme
  past a number of his inner circle, and is actively seeking ways
  to implement his goal."

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Subject: [13texan] Re: over 60 million Christians
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:49:23 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Charles, my brother you are right. Ignoring. Deleting and read what willie
has for us to absorb.
Michael Snead
14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: "Big Lie": Herb
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 14:08:13 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Michael Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=669
> Phil,
>     It's is real common ignorance, based on the lies and distortions
of those
> who seek a reason to vindicate the Jews.

I'm afraid you'll have to try that again in English.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: over 60 million Christians
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 14:16:52 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=671
> Philip,
>     Your rhetoric is amusing.  When Charles wrote,"Jews killed over
60
> million WHITE Christians during the Russian revolution.

Is there a conclusion to this sentence fragment?

 It is also a
> historical fact!" You and I both know that he meant that they were of
the
> Christian persuasion.

What is the evidence that each of the 60 million was Christian?

Now I have given you the title of this book once and
> here it is again. THE WOLF OF THE KREMLIN written by the the nephew
of Lazar
> M. Kaganovich, Stuart Kahan.

A single book is hardly sufficient for a charge of this sort. In fact,
it is highly suspicious, because such an event should have dozens of
histories concerning it, written by qualified historians, not Jew
haters. So however many time you cite this one book, you will have
presented no convincing evidence.

 This murdering Jew, Kaganovich was responsible
> for the death of 20 million Russians and even tells about it in the
book.

So you claim.


> Lenin was a Jew and Stalin was married to a Jew twice!

Yeah, and his mistress was a Catholic, I guess that means Catholics
killed 60 million Christians!

 His third wife was the
> sister of Lazar M. Kaganovich. Trotsky was a Jew and the leaders of
the
> Bolshevik Revolution were all Jews. If you want proof start your
research I
> do not care to waste much time with you.

Your not offering proof that Jews are responsible for the charge. Your
saying that  some Jews were involved in Communism, which did such and
such. Well, many other kinds of groups were involved as well. The vast
majority of Jews worldwide had nothing to do with Soviet Communism.
Your inability to understand this basic distinction stems from your
hatred of Jews and your mindless desire to find reasons, lacking a
factual basis though they may be, for your feelings.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: over 60 million Christians
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 17:21:19 -0400
From: Charles 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

BTW...

Even in these days the fastest they can cremate a body
of a weight if 140 lbs, is 30 min at 2,000 degrese using
gass with 3 burners acording to "From Death To Dust"

Charles

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Belzec investigation - mass graves found
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 14:39:50 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Michael Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=672
> Philip,
>     I HAVE THE ORIGINAL DAILY EXPRESS THAT IS A JEWISH NEWSPAPER THAT
PLAINLY
> HEADLINES,"JEWISH 'DECLARATION OF WAR' AGAINST GERMANY. DATED: FRIDAY
MARCH
> 26, 1933!

No you don't. You're getting desperate now.

 I HAVE THE BOOK ,  AMERICA FACES THE NEXT WAR BY JEW FRANK H.
> SIMONDS.

I have lots of books.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: over 60 million Christians
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:41:44 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
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Charles,
     As we all knew it was impossible to have torched the Jews to dust. No
one likes the smell of burning dung anyway.
Michael Snead

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Subject: [13texan] 50 Jews
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 15:53:51 PDT
From: "Jeanne-Marie Zimmerman" 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Michael Snead said:
Charles,
      As we all knew it was impossible to have torched the Jews to dust. No
one likes the smell of burning dung anyway.
Michael Snead
~~~~~~~
Me: Michael, have you heard how you put 50 Jews in a Volkswagon? You put
them in the ashtray.

JM

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Subject: [13texan] "Anti-Shemitic"
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 16:14:14 PDT
From: "Jeanne-Marie Zimmerman" 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Phil Mathews wrote:

Your assumption is ignorant and antisemitic. I suspect He thinks you
are an ass. I'm sure He disavows your non Christian values.

Philip Mathews
~~~~~~~
Me: This is hilarious. Philip calls another on this list "anti-'Semitic,"
and yet I doubt Philip is a true Shemite with little if any Shemitic blood
in him. In fact, I probably have more Shemitic blood than Philip, so that
makes him "anti-Shemitic" because Arsareth, or Germany, is the Germanus, or
germ, or core of the wheat of where ancient Israel landed after Assyrian
captivity and blended in with the indigneous Europeans. That means the Jews'
war against Germany during WWI and WWII were anti-Shemitic, and God's curse
of natural law retribution is upon the Jews, or the Edomites. It's Shemite
anyway, not Semite, as the Yids pronounce stuff. Just like they change
history, and dictionaries, and control so much of everything like nosey
little useless bastards, they change languages, just like little perverts.
JM

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Subject: [13texan] Edom, Quote
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 16:43:51 PDT
From: "Jeanne-Marie Zimmerman" 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

I said:

The Encyclopedia Judaica as well as the Jewish Encyclopedias
state, "Edom is in modern Jewry." Therefore, Jews of today have no
link to this scripture. It was also Rabbi Stephen Wise who said that
Communism is Jewish. Of course, telling the truth is hate, but truth is
always hate to those who hate the truth.
~~~~~~~
Philip Mathews:
I don't suppose you have a citation for Rabbi Wise making that
statement? And saying hateful things about Jews has nothing to do with
truth.
~~~~~~~
Me: Mathews, what about the part from your own encyclopedia which says that
"Edom is modern Jewry?" Of course, you will avoid it, or go around it with
your slime-bait tactics. Rabbi Stephen Wise said that Communism and Judaism
were the same, so go do your own research for once.
JM

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Subject: [13texan] Re: who/what shemite/semitic
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 16:49:49 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Ed Kadach wrote:

> Just like the myth of the 4.5 million jews being gassed
> was invented.

Ed, can you point us to a source which says 4.5 million Jews were gassed? I would
like to read it. The material I've seen is more like 3 - 3.5 million gassed, 1
million murdered by the Einsatzgruppen, and another million or more dying from
other causes. Where did you find this figure?

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Subject: [13texan] Re: who's minding the list !
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 16:52:48 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Charles wrote:

> phil
>
> I don't have control over this list... but if it were
> mine I would have already blocked and removed your
> address from it :)

That's the classic fascist response to unwelcome realities... if you are
uncomfortable with what some people say, why censor them!

I guess that is ok for some people...me, I prefer polite conversation, but
if it works for you, go for it. I suppose it is a lot easier than dealing
with reality.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Burden of Proof
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 16:59:05 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

SNEADSTER@aol.com wrote:

>        Let's just say for the sake of this Holohoax argument that The Nazis
> did kill 6 million Jews.....No let's give them ( those who even give a hoot)
> a benefit of a doubt and make it 15 million Jews.

Let's not, Michael. The figure 15 million is, and always has been, utter nonsense
- and I've yet to see a single credible source to support it, so let's stick with
6 million.

>     Now let's go back to Friday, March 26, 1933, The World Jewish Congress
> declared war on Germany and demanded a world wide ban on German product. That
> group alone bears a heavy responsibility on the deaths of  the Holohoax.

Oh, I love it when the "It was your fault you got murdered" routine comes out...
blaming the victims - an absolute classic, Michael! I guess what you are saying
is that if I ask my friends not to buy your products, you then have the right to
murder me. That works for you? Interesting.

Hey, Michael, how many divisions were there in the World Jewish Congress military
machine? Can you tell us that, or, say, how many ships they had in their navy?

While you're at it, Michael, perhaps you could explain *why* Jews were calling
for a boycott of German products... you (inadvertantly, I'm sure!) left that part
out...

> For six years these sick bastards exacerbated every national grievance
> and paranoia. They used their great financial power. They ran inflammatory
> articles about Germany. They used their powerful political and media
> influence to agitate for war and to feed the fires of hate, a fire still
> stroked by the media almost 60 years after the fact.

And this is all you need to start murdering them, is that right, Michael? Tell
me, Michael, was there some reason the world's Jews were upset with the Nazis?

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Subject: [13texan] "Hate and Intolerance"
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 16:59:57 PDT
From: "Jeanne-Marie Zimmerman" 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Philip, the "Care Bear" said:
What right do you have to defined who his enemies are? People should
worry about their own relationships with God, rather than the fostering of
hate and intolerance.

Philip Mathews
~~~~~~~
Me: I think this is fun with little Philip. He has been squirming like a
little worm ever since he threatened Ed Kadach and said his wife would "get
ripped."
    Little Philip talks about my Aryan brothers and sisters as fostering
"hate and intolerance." Now, let's take the first part, "hate." Telling the
truth to pore little Philip is "hate," unless he's saying that the Germans
gassed 6 million of his brethren. To say it didn't happened is also "denial"
as if it was ever a fact to begin with. "Intolerance" is another little gem
of the Jew. While we are to "resist" the devil and flee from him, little
Philip tells us to "tolerate." But to "tolerate" means to let all kinds of
bad things in which is the point of little Philip's diatribe. We are to
"tolerate" homosexuals which the Jew promotes as normal because so many of
them are sexual deviants themselves. Their own Talmud says it's okay to have
sex with a 3-year-old child. Philip would regard that as "tolerance," of
course, because he denies it's in the Talmud although so many of us here
have read that degenerate filth for ourselves.
    It's no where in scripture anywhere to tolerate, and it is the
anti-thesis of what Christ and St. Paul taught to "resist." So, the
resistance is right, and they're more right for going underground and doing
their work which bothers little Philip that such a thing really exists. So,
in desperation, the Jew cries for all kinds of "hate" crimes legislation as
if that will do a thing to stop the underground from doing their work like
all of the Eric's out there.
    One last point: "political correctness" and "tolerance" are the
opposites of each other. One cannot preach "political correctness" and
"tolerance" in the same breath because they are diametrically opposed to one
another. To demand "political correctness" is simply not "tolerant" of
little Philip. Boo-Hoo.
JM

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Belzec investigation - mass graves found
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 17:01:54 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

SNEADSTER@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 8/31/99 3:00:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gormanh@home.com
> writes:
>
> << David, what about the other 5,500,000 Jews murdered by the Nazis? Were
> they also
>  "bent on destroying their own country?" >>
>
> Herb,
>     As a matter of fact the Jews were bent on destroying Germany It wasn't
> "their" own country to begin with. Once the leaches finish with their host
> country
> they move on. Remember 1933 Jews world wide declared war on Germany even
> those in that country.....

So, if I may clarify your position, Michael.... would it be accurate to say that
you justify the murder of an infant-at-breast, in Latvia, for instance, because
Germany wasn't "their country to begin with?" Is that about right?

It was ok, in your mind, to murder 3 million Polish Jews because Western Jews
were boycotting bratwurst?

Interesting...

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Subject: [13texan] Re: over 60 million Christians
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 17:03:37 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Charles wrote:

> Mr. Mathews it may intrest you to know that, Russian
> Jews killed over 60 million WHITE Christians during
> the Russian revolution. It is also a historical fact!

I don't think so, Charles, but I could be wrong. Where can I find history
books that use this figure? (Personally, I think 20-25 million is about right,
but it was Stalin that ordered the famine, and he wasn't a Jew, but hey, who's
counting?)

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Subject: [13texan] Re: The Institut Fuer Zeitgeschicthe On Nazi Gassing
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 17:05:19 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Ed Kadach wrote:

> >The Institut Fuer Zeitgeschicthe is considered an authority on
> >this issue (Dimensions of the Holocaust With Emphasis on Gassing) in
> >Germany, and has been used as a source of information on the Holocaust
> >in various trials of Nazi war criminals there.

> Keren, just another member of Nizkook. Real last name is Kerensky- a
> Zionist jew.

So, Ed, you have nothing to say about Germany's leading historical
institute's findings? After all, they have absolutely nothing to do with
Keren - he just wrote 'em a letter, right? I was hoping you'd want to talk
about what *they* had to say... I guess not.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Belzec investigation - mass graves found
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 17:07:03 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

SNEADSTER@aol.com wrote:

> Herbie,
>           1933 comes long before 1941 and like I said, I feel sorry for no
> one who self-inflicts anything upon themselves.

Well, I'm glad to see that you aren't denying it any longer. That's progress,
isn't it?

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Burden of Proof
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 17:09:24 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Ed Kadach wrote:

> You know Herb, I'd pay attention to Michael here. From what I've read of you
> I believe that there is hope for you. Seek out and research all the facts of
> this issue before you start looking only to Nizkor for all your answers.
> They have their agenda in place and I know it to be one of deception, the
> site is full of contradictions.

It archives thousands upon thousands of documents - of course there are
contradictions. But the material I've seen there is very well documented, so I
can always go the library and confirm what they're claiming, and make up my own
mind. Their agenda doesn't interest me at all, any more than yours does. Everyone
has one, Ed.

I prefer concerntrating on the FACTS, whatever they may be.  Try it some time.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Belzec investigation - mass graves found
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 17:13:32 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
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David Griffin wrote:

> Exactly, Michael....The German Jews declared war on Germany in 1933; not the
> other way around....And I think it was very kind of Herr Hitler to allow the

How many bombers were there in this "German Jews" military, David? How many
fighter aircraft did they have, that they had poor Fat Hermann worried?

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Subject: [13texan] Re: The Institut Fuer Zeitgeschicthe On Nazi Gass
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 17:16:42 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

SNEADSTER@aol.com wrote:

>     At 2500 degrees it takes about 8 minutes to cremate a body so with the
> 1500 degrees being a 60% reduction in heat then it would of course take 60%
> longer to cremate a body. In other words at 1500 degrees it would take 12
> minutes 48 seconds. Lets say these imaginary ovens held ten bodies and the
> 600,000 that supposedly were cremated (excluding your babies of the breast)
> in the one camp there would have had to of been 60,000 burns at 12 minutes 48
> seconds.

For concise information about the process, see
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/auschwitz/crematoria. If the 600,000 you refer
to are the Belzec victims, then crematoria data is not relevant, since most of
those bodies were burned in pits. As we now know, there are thick layers of
blackened human fat and ash in many of these pits, confirming the means of
disposal beyond any doubt whatsoever.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Belzec investigation - mass graves found
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 17:21:26 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
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SNEADSTER@aol.com wrote:

>     I HAVE THE ORIGINAL DAILY EXPRESS THAT IS A JEWISH NEWSPAPER THAT PLAINLY
> HEADLINES,"JEWISH 'DECLARATION OF WAR' AGAINST GERMANY.

I have it, too, Michael... one of the interesting things you've forgotten to
mention, of course, is this text:

http://www.nizkor.org/features/qar/qar11.html

"A strange and unfortunate sequel has emerged from the stories of German
Jew-baiting.
"The whole of Israel throughout the world is uniting to declare an economic and
financial war on Germany.
"Hirtherto the cry has gone up: 'Germany is persecuting the Jews.' If the present
plans are carried out, the Hitlerite cry will be: 'The Jews are persecuting
Germany.'

Prophetic, weren't they, Michael? I am so glad that you brought it up! Here's the
whole article, as found at
http://www.nizkor.org/features/qar/qar11.html

Daily Express. London, March 24, 1933, pp. 1-2.

  J U D E A   D E C L A R E S   W A R   O N   G E R M A N Y

  [A composite photo with Hitler before a presumably Jewish court]

  JEWS OF ALL THE WORLD UNITE

  BOYCOTT OF GERMAN GOODS

  MASS DEMONSTRATIONS

  "Daily Express" Special Political Correspondent.

  A strange and unforeseen sequel has emerged from the stories of
  German Jew-baiting.

  The whole of Israel throughout the world is uniting to declare
  an economic and financial war on Germany.

  Hitherto the cry has gone up: "Germany is persecuting the Jews."
  If the present plans are carried out, the Hitlerite cry will be:
  "The Jews are persecuting Germany."

    All Israel is rising in wrath against the Nazi onslaught on
    the Jews. Adolf Hitler, swept into power by an appeal of
    elemental patriotism, is making history of a kind he least
    expected. Thinking to unite only the German nation to race
    consciousness, he has roused the whole Jewish people to
    national renascence.

  The appearance of the Swastika symbol of a new Germany has
  called forth the Lion of Judah, the old battle symbol of
  Jewish defiance.

  Fourteen million Jews, dispersed throughout the world, have
  banded together as one man to declare war on the German
  persecutors of their co-religionists. Sectional differences
  and antagonisms

  [strip-shaped drawing with alternating swastikas and lions]

  have been submerged in one common aim - to stand by the
  600,000 Jews of Germany who are terrorised by Hitlerite
  anti-Semitism and to compel Fascist Germany to end its
  campaign of violence and suppression directed against its
  Jewish minority.

--------------------------------------------------------------------
  P l a n s   F o r   A c t i o n   M a t u r i n g

                      I n   E u r o p e   A n d   A m e r i c a
--------------------------------------------------------------------

  World Jewry has made up its mind not to rest quiescent in
  face of this revival of medieval Jew-baiting.

  Germany may be called on to pay a heavy price for Hitler's
  antagonism to the Jews. She is faced with an international
  boycott in commerce, finance, and industry.

  The Jewish merchant prince is leaving his counting-house,
  the banker his board-room, the shopkeeper his store, and
  the pedlar his humble barrow, to join together in what has
  become a holy war to combat the Hitlerite enemies of the Jew.

  Plans for concerted Jewish action are being matured in Europe
  and America to strike back in reprisal at Hitlerite Germany.

  In London, New York, Paris, and Warsaw Jewish merchants are
  waiting for a commercial crusade.

  Resolutions are being taken throughout the Jewish business

--------------------------------------------------------------------
  B R I T I S H   J E W S   P R O T E S T
        A T   N A Z I   T A C T I C S

  MERCHANTS AND FINANCIERS RALLY TO MOVEMENT

  GERMAN LINERS AFFECTED?
--------------------------------------------------------------------

  world to sever trade relations with Germany.

  Large numbers of merchants in London have resolved to stop
  buying German goods, even at the cost of suffering heavy loss.

  A meeting of the Jewish textile trade in London has been called
  for Monday to consider the situation and to determine what steps
  should be taken.

  Germany is a heavy borrower in foreign money markets, where
  Jewish influence is considerable. Continued anti-Semitism in
  Germany is likely to react seriously against her. A move is on
  foot on the part of Jewish financiers to exert pressure to force
  anti-Jewish action to stop.

  The Organisation of Jewish Youth in Britain are organizing
  demonstrations in London and the provinces during the weekend.

  The Board of Deputies of British Jews, representing the entire
  Jewish community of Great Britain, are meeting in special
  session on Sunday to discuss the German situation, and to decide
  on what action should be taken to counteract the attacks on
  their German fellow-Jews.

  World-wide preparations are being made to organise demonstrations
  of protest.

  EMBARGO IN POLAND

  A concerted boycott by Jewish buyers is likely to involve grave
  damage to the German export trade. Jewish merchants all over the
  world are large buyers of German manufactured goods, chiefly
  cotton goods, silks, toys, electrical fittings, and furniture.

  In Poland, the trade embargo on Germany is already in operation.
  In France, a proposed ban on German imports is being widely
  canvassed in Jewish circles.

  German Transatlantic shipping traffic is likewise threatened.
  The Bremen and the Europa, the German crack liners, may suffer
  heavily from a Jewish anti-German boycott. Jewish trans-ocean
  travellers form an important part of the patrons of these liners
  because of their extensive part in international trade. The loss
  of their patronage would be a heavy blow to Germany's Atlantic
  trade.

  In New York yesterday 10,000 Jewish ex-soldiers marched to the
  City Hall to hold a protest demonstration.

  Large crowds watched the men, some of whom wore old British
  uniforms, petition the mayor to support them in a boycott of
  German goods.

  Another petition was handed in at the British Consulate-General
  requesting that Palestine should receive refugees from Germany
  without restriction.

  Members of the American House of Representatives are introducing
  resolutions protesting against the anti-Jewish excesses in
  Germany. The American trade unions, representing 3,000,000
  workers, have also decided to join in the protest.

  A rabbinical decree in New York has made the next Monday a day
  of fasting and prayer over the Hitler campaign.

  Fasting will begin on Sunday at sunset and finish at sunset on
  Monday.

  All Jewish shops in New York will be closed on Monday during a
  parade.

  Apart from a monster meeting in Madison-square Garden, meetings
  are to be held in 300 American cities.

  Madison-square Garden will see the remarkable sight of Bishop
  Manning speaking from a Jewish platform appealing for an end of
  the Hitler "terror."

  DAY OF SERMONS

  It had been arranged to charge a shilling admission and 5 s.
  for box seats, but a public-spirited Jew, Frank Cohen, an
  insurance broker, gove [sic] a personal cheque for L 1,000 to
  cover all expenses, so admission will be free.

  Every rabbi in the city of New York has been placed under a
  sacred obligation by rabbinical decree to devote Saturday's
  sermon to the plight of Jews in Germany.

  Representative Jewish organisations in the European capitals
  are understood to be making representations to their various
  Governments to use influence with the Hitler Cabinet to induce
  it to call a halt in the oppression of the German Jews.

  The old and reunited people of Israel are rising with new
  and modern weapons to fight their age-old battle with their
  persecutors.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: JM: Mathews
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 18:22:40 -0600
From: Ed Kadach 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

At 10:03 AM 8/29/99 PDT, you wrote:
>Philip Mathews said:
> > You should take his advice, or your wife will really get ripped!

> > Philip Mathews
> > ~~~~~~~

Is this some kind of a warning or an incitement to harass my family and
I, Phil? Much like the ones that the Nazihunter frequently posts to
alt.revisionism.

Subject:
                         NEW TELEPHONE NUMBERS FOR THE NAZI PIG
                         KADACH
                   Date:
                         1999/08/08
                   Author:
                         nazihunter 
                           Posting History

                    FRESH NUMBERS TO CONTACT THE NAZI PIG KADACH AND HIS
                    FAMILY.
                    WHY NOT GIVE A CALL AND TELL THEM WHAT A SCUMBAG ED IS?

                    Ed Kadach
                    XXX St NW XXXX
                    Edmonton, AB T6H 2Z7 Phone: 780-XXX-XXXXX, : 780-XXX-XXXX

>I said:
>Willie, will you kindly unsubscribe this stupid bastard from off
>of this list? This psycho sounds like Jack the Ripper. Look at the threats
>they're making to Ed Kadach. For now, this pig slime hides behind the laws
>his ilk helped put into place in Canada, but I'm sure there will be more
>Eric's out there taking care of things their own way. The resistance is
>growing and underground, and it's only a matter of time before the evil
>empire goes down.
>~~~~~~~
>Mathews said:
>I've made no threats to Ed. He understands the reference.

Oh indeed I do and it has been duly noted as JM states.

>
>also:
>
>I made no threat. And the laws referred to are slander and libel, laws
>which all civilized nations have in one form or another. This has
>nothing to do with misguided hate laws. I suspect Ms. Zimmerman's
>actual problem rests in having her erroneous opinions exposed. So much
>for her supposed belief in free speech!
>~~~~~~~
>Me: You did too make a threat. Everyone saw it, and by now, the resistance
>has it.
>JM

"All truth passes through three stages. First,
it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
---Schopenhauer

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Subject: [13texan] "German Jew Baiting"/Herbie
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 17:33:25 PDT
From: "Jeanne-Marie Zimmerman" 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Nizkor liars said:
"A strange and unfortunate sequel has emerged from the stories of German
Jew-baiting. "The whole of Israel throughout the world is uniting to declare
an economic and financial war on Germany.
"Hirtherto the cry has gone up: 'Germany is persecuting the Jews.' If the
present plans are carried out, the Hitlerite cry will be: 'The Jews are
persecuting Germany.'
~~~~~~~
Herb:
Prophetic, weren't they, Michael? I am so glad that you brought it up!
Here's the whole article, as found at
http://www.nizkor.org/features/qar/qar11.html

Daily Express. London, March 24, 1933, pp. 1-2.

   J U D E A   D E C L A R E S   W A R   O N   G E R M A N Y

   [A composite photo with Hitler before a presumably Jewish court]

   JEWS OF ALL THE WORLD UNITE

   BOYCOTT OF GERMAN GOODS

   MASS DEMONSTRATIONS

   "Daily Express" Special Political Correspondent.

   A strange and unforeseen sequel has emerged from the stories of
   German Jew-baiting.

   The whole of Israel throughout the world is uniting to declare
   an economic and financial war on Germany.

   Hitherto the cry has gone up: "Germany is persecuting the Jews."
   If the present plans are carried out, the Hitlerite cry will be:
   "The Jews are persecuting Germany."
~~~~~~~
Me: As usual, this is what Jews do. They threaten with economic boycotts to
get their little hissy fits put into place. Then they claim they were, are,
or will be persecuted. They make the other guy the aggressor while it is
themselves. An interesting fact brought out by Hans Schmidt who served in
the German Waffen SS was that Jewish businesses were still in the German
phone books in 1941. So much for "German" persecution. Herbie, by the way,
is just a slug posing as a "misled" Gentile boy. He's just another Zionist.
JM

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Willie: Kick these Bastards Off
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 19:26:18 -0600
From: Ed Kadach 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

At 09:25 AM 8/29/99 PDT, you wrote:
>You should take his advice, or your wife will really get ripped!
>
>Philip Mathews

Perhaps you had this one in mind when you mentioned my wife.

>> Forum: alt.revisionism
                         >> Thread: GIVE ED KADACH A CALL
                           >> Message 1176 of 1282


                   Subject:
                          GIVE ED KADACH A CALL
                   Date:
                          1998/09/10
                   Author:
                          NAZIHUNTER 
                            Posting History

                    WHY NOT GIVE A CALL TO THE ANTI-SEMITIC PIG ED KADACH?

                    ED KADACH
                    XXXX-XXX ST NW
                    EDMONTON, ALBERTA
                    T6H 2Z7


                    403-XXX-XXXXX


                    IF HE IS NOT HOME, LET HIS WIFE KNOW WHAT A PIECE OF WORK
                    HER HUSBAND IS.

"All truth passes through three stages. First,
it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
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Subject: [13texan] Re: over 60 million Christians
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 01:49:34 -0400
From: Charles 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

20 million or 60 million , the poing be does it really matter
Herb ? Jews murdered more Christians than the Nazi's murdered
Jews and that was the point I was making.

Death is wrong it is always bad no matter who is killed! But I
choose life and it is not time to move away from the past and
into the now. Who is stealing from the sick and elderly today
who creates intrest and takes for the poor what little they have
so that they are totally dependent upon the socialist goverment?

I am not a Nazi, I have never hurt or mistreated anyone and I
refuse to take the blame for Nazi's because I am Christian Identity
just as I have never owned slaves and refuse white guilt!

If someone wants to call me what ever they will as long as they
can prove it in a court of law that is their choice in life.
I am free to think in American and express my opinions. I can legally

Some people are upset because I believe and I can prove I am an
Israelite. I can not only prove it by race, but by blood and name
as well! I can also LOVE or HATE and BELIEVE as I wish about anything
this is still American and I still have that right.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: A new list
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 05:41:20 -0500
From: "Teacher of YHVH" 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
Organization: Christian Soldiers
To: <13texan@egroups.com>

I just subscribed to it.  Thanks, I was really getting tired of the other
list.
Sherry

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 1:09 PM
Subject: [13texan] A new list

> I have set up a new email list if anyone wants to join.
>
> anyone who makes personal insults toward the list members
> will be removed. The is is for Christian Fellowship and
> anyone who is a TRUE believer in Christ is welcome (in my
> opinion) however some people lie to join a list and we will
> vote on other issues to remove or restrict trouble makers.
>
> Security:
>
> No arcives will be made public!
> No shared files directoty!
> No Public files directory!
>
> Community email addresses:
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Subject: [13texan] Re: over 60 million Christians
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 05:47:39 CDT
From: "David Griffin" 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

>From: Charles 
>Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
>To: 13texan@egroups.com
>Subject: [13texan] Re: over 60 million Christians
>Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 15:27:54 -0400
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>Michael,
>
>Do like me and just don't respond to Philip. It is clear to
>see that, it does not matter to him how many whites or Christians
>died at the hands of the jews in past or present history for to
>him anyone other that a jew is just goy [cattle]. He can't defend
>the jew for his evil acts, can't prove any jews are related to
>Israel of the bible or that the jews don't control world banks
>and world goverments.
>
>We on the other hand know these facts because they are written and
>recorded in history books printed by the jews themseleves. I like
>only one thing about jews, that being they have been unable to
>hide any of the thing they have done in all history they like to
>recordes it so very well for us to read as though they are proud
>of it and fly it in our faces because the goy sleep for now.

Good advice, Charles....Jews want to discuss....we are not here to
discuss....we are here to raise up the banner of the LORD Jesus Christ...and
to proclaim all that the the Bible says we are; nothing more, nothing
less...Christianity is a mystical religion....Jews are a Satanic breed, as
our LORD said....we have nothing to discuss with them; for they do not have
the mind of Christ as we do.

Any posts with Herb Gorman or philnancy should be deleted
immediately....it's just Jewish trash...there is nothing in there to help a
Christian; and nothing in there that praises the name of Jesus....so why
open it??

Just my 2 cents worth.

Hail Jesus' Victory!
David

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Subject: [13texan] Re: over 60 million Christians
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 05:53:52 CDT
From: "David Griffin" 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

>From: Charles 
>Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
>To: 13texan@egroups.com
>Subject: [13texan] Re: over 60 million Christians
>Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 17:21:19 -0400
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>BTW...
>
>Even in these days the fastest they can cremate a body
>of a weight if 140 lbs, is 30 min at 2,000 degrese using
>gass with 3 burners acording to "From Death To Dust"
>
>Charles

Exactly, Charles....there is no way the Germans could have cremated that
many bodies, even with today's technology....just more Jewish lies....It
would have taken something like 35 years to have cremated the number of
bodies the Jews claim were victims of the Third Reich....what utter
nonsense!...all we have to do, is to do the math....the figures don't add
up.

David

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Subject: [13texan] Re: "Anti-Shemitic"
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 06:04:14 CDT
From: "David Griffin" 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

>From: "Jeanne-Marie Zimmerman" 
>Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
>To: 13texan@egroups.com
>Subject: [13texan] "Anti-Shemitic"
>Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 16:14:14 PDT
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>Phil Mathews wrote:
>
>Your assumption is ignorant and antisemitic. I suspect He thinks you
>are an ass. I'm sure He disavows your non Christian values.
>
>Philip Mathews
>~~~~~~~
>Me: This is hilarious. Philip calls another on this list "anti-'Semitic,"
>and yet I doubt Philip is a true Shemite with little if any Shemitic blood
>in him. In fact, I probably have more Shemitic blood than Philip, so that
>makes him "anti-Shemitic" because Arsareth, or Germany, is the Germanus, or
>germ, or core of the wheat of where ancient Israel landed after Assyrian
>captivity and blended in with the indigneous Europeans. That means the
>Jews'
>war against Germany during WWI and WWII were anti-Shemitic, and God's curse
>of natural law retribution is upon the Jews, or the Edomites. It's Shemite
>anyway, not Semite, as the Yids pronounce stuff. Just like they change
>history, and dictionaries, and control so much of everything like nosey
>little useless bastards, they change languages, just like little perverts.
>JM

Very true, JM.....very true....we are the semites, not the Jews....they are
anti-Christ; contrary to all men, as the apostle Paul stated....they want to
claim our birthright, as Esau wanted Jacob's birthright, and as Satan wanted
Adam's birthright....but they can't have it.
The Anglo-Saxon people are true Israel....Jews are our enemies; they hate
true Israel, and they hate the name of Jesus....and they would hang the
Blessed Savior from the cross again, if they only could.

And who but a pervert would state that it is ok to marry a 3 year old
girl?....only a perverted Satanic mind would state such a thing....and this
is mild in comparison to the other perverted things in their dirty talmud.

I think Phil was referring to me in the statement he made about Christ
disavowing me....well, I take that as a badge of honor....for the servant is
not above his Master...and because they hate Jesus; they should hate us
also.

Hail Jesus' Victory
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Subject: [13texan] Re: Willie: Kick these Bastards Off WILLIE
     PLEASE READ.
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 08:14:05 -0400
From: americans@grove.net
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

WILLIE,
      Brother I would like to add my name to the list wishing to see these
people causing the problems removed. You are I know, well versed in the
word of YHVH ... may I as your brother remind you that we are told to"
mark" those that cause division and seperate from them... Willie , we as
the people of YHVH have a job to do... we should not allow those who would
detract us from our mission to continue to be a hinderence.

Your Brother,
Ramon Sparks

At 09:35 PM 8/30/99 -0500, you wrote:
>We would appriciate it if you did, Willie.
>Sherry & Oscar
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Ed Kadach 
>To: <13texan@egroups.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 8:26 PM
>Subject: [13texan] Re: Willie: Kick these Bastards Off
>
>
>> At 09:25 AM 8/29/99 PDT, you wrote:
>> >You should take his advice, or your wife will really get ripped!
>> >
>> >Philip Mathews
>>
>>
>>
>> Perhaps you had this one in mind when you mentioned my wife.
>>
>>
>> >> Forum: alt.revisionism
>>                          >> Thread: GIVE ED KADACH A CALL
>>                            >> Message 1176 of 1282
>>
>>
>>                    Subject:
>>                           GIVE ED KADACH A CALL
>>                    Date:
>>                           1998/09/10
>>                    Author:
>>                           NAZIHUNTER 
>>                             Posting History
>>
>>
>>                     WHY NOT GIVE A CALL TO THE ANTI-SEMITIC PIG ED KADACH?
>>
>>                     ED KADACH
>>                     XXXX-XXX ST NW
>>                     EDMONTON, ALBERTA
>>                     T6H 2Z7
>>
>>
>>                     403-XXX-XXXXX
>>
>>
>>                     IF HE IS NOT HOME, LET HIS WIFE KNOW WHAT A PIECE OF
>WORK
>>                     HER HUSBAND IS.
>>
>>
>> "All truth passes through three stages. First,
>> it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
>> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>> ---Schopenhauer
>>
>>
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"The Compromise of principals for peace results in SLAVERY"

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Subject: [13texan] Re: The Institut Fuer Zeitgeschicthe On Nazi Gass
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 05:27:20 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

Michael Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=673
> In a message dated 9/1/99 2:21:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
philnancy@aol.com
> writes:
>
> <<  Auschwitz-Birkenau had 46 retorts when
>  in full operation.  Try the math with that data!
>   >>
> I won't have to try the math for the simple fact that the coal was
not
> availabe for the burns and nor was the rail system always intact for
the
> Barbecuing meat and fuel. highly impossible.

If you wish to deal in simple facts, you should start with facts. Coal
was not used as the fuel for the ovens. The rail lines were intact in
the areas of the death camps right up until the end of the war,
servicing camps which had been located near major rail spurs. The
transport records are extant recording the shipment of Jews from all
over Europe to the various camps.

Now try your math problem again.

The Jews have in my life time
> tried to stroke the pity pockets of the masses and it is about to
come to an
> abrupt halt.

False bravado and mindless antisemitism. In the end, that's what it
always comes down to with someone like you.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: over 60 million Christians
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 05:33:01 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Charles wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=679
> BTW...
>
> Even in these days the fastest they can cremate a body
> of a weight if 140 lbs, is 30 min at 2,000 degrese using
> gass with 3 burners acording to "From Death To Dust"
>
> Charles

You're comparing apple and oranges. Your scenario is for a commercial
crematory, incinerating a single body at a time, usually with coffin,
and usually incinerating the body down to a fine white ash suitable for
presentation to family. That hardly compares to the multiple and
continuous feeding system utilized by the Nazis, where coffins were not
used and the comingling of ashes was hardly a concern. The fuel source
is immaterial.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: over 60 million Christians
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 05:35:06 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Michael Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=681
> Charles,
>      As we all knew it was impossible to have torched the Jews to
dust. No
> one likes the smell of burning dung anyway.
> Michael Snead

Thank you for more evidence of your hateful antisemitsm. I note that
the "Christians" in the group say nothing about your decidedly
anti-Christian values.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: 50 Jews
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 05:36:25 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

JM wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=682
> Michael Snead said:
> Charles,
>       As we all knew it was impossible to have torched the Jews to
dust. No
> one likes the smell of burning dung anyway.
> Michael Snead
> ~~~~~~~
> Me: Michael, have you heard how you put 50 Jews in a Volkswagon? You
put
> them in the ashtray.
>
> JM

Another fine example of Christian values.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: "Anti-Shemitic"
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 06:18:02 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

JM wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=683
> Phil Mathews wrote:
>
> Your assumption is ignorant and antisemitic. I suspect He thinks you
> are an ass. I'm sure He disavows your non Christian values.
>
> Philip Mathews
> ~~~~~~~
> Me: This is hilarious. Philip calls another on this list
"anti-'Semitic,"
> and yet I doubt Philip is a true Shemite with little if any Shemitic
blood
> in him.

Which is wholly irrelevant. That you think this is hilarious is
interesting.

In fact, I probably have more Shemitic blood than Philip, so that
> makes him "anti-Shemitic" because Arsareth, or Germany, is the
Germanus, or
> germ, or core of the wheat of where ancient Israel landed after
Assyrian
> captivity and blended in with the indigneous Europeans.

More irrelevancies.  Do you always seek to justify antisemitism with
such nonsense?

 That means the Jews'
> war against Germany during WWI and WWII were anti-Shemitic,

There was no Jewish war against Germany. Do you really expect people to
accept such nonsense? Do you know what war is?

 and God's curse
> of natural law retribution is upon the Jews, or the Edomites.

Ah, now you're blaming God for the Holocaust?

It's Shemite
> anyway, not Semite, as the Yids pronounce stuff. Just like they
change
> history, and dictionaries, and control so much of everything like
nosey
> little useless bastards, they change languages, just like little
perverts.

And the antisemite emerges in full flower, for all to see. Nice
Christian values.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Edom, Quote
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 06:20:32 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

JM wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=684
> I said:
>
> The Encyclopedia Judaica as well as the Jewish Encyclopedias
> state, "Edom is in modern Jewry." Therefore, Jews of today have no
> link to this scripture. It was also Rabbi Stephen Wise who said that
> Communism is Jewish. Of course, telling the truth is hate, but truth
is
> always hate to those who hate the truth.
> ~~~~~~~
> Philip Mathews:
> I don't suppose you have a citation for Rabbi Wise making that
> statement? And saying hateful things about Jews has nothing to do with
> truth.
> ~~~~~~~
> Me: Mathews, what about the part from your own encyclopedia which
says that
> "Edom is modern Jewry?"

It's not my encyclopedia.

 Of course, you will avoid it, or go around it with
> your slime-bait tactics. Rabbi Stephen Wise said that Communism and
Judaism
> were the same, so go do your own research for once.
> JM

I note you've avoided anwering the question. Do you have a citation for
Rabbi Wise saying what you allege, or have you simply made it up and
your mindless desire to smear Jews.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] The List
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 06:32:15 -0700
From: "Andy" 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: <13texan@egroups.com>

When you wrestle with a kosher pig, the pig likes it, and you get dirty.
Quit wrestling with the Khazar crowd, ignore them. Anyone have trouble
understanding this should just use the delete key when the see Gorman or
Philnancy on the e-mail. It's not easy to say this, but I almost asked to be
taken off the list too. They are like static on the radio, tune them out.
Vaya Con Dios, Andy

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Subject: [13texan] Re: "Hate and Intolerance"
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 06:43:37 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

JM wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=687
> Philip, the "Care Bear" said:
> What right do you have to defined who his enemies are? People should
> worry about their own relationships with God, rather than the
fostering of
> hate and intolerance.
>
> Philip Mathews
> ~~~~~~~
> Me: I think this is fun with little Philip.

I'll bet you do. Hateful emoting seems to be your hobby.

 He has been squirming like a
> little worm ever since he threatened Ed Kadach and said his wife
would "get
> ripped."

You could have worked in the Nazi propoganda department.

>     Little Philip talks about my Aryan brothers and sisters as
fostering
> "hate and intolerance."

The evidence for you is manifest and on display almost daily.

 Now, let's take the first part, "hate." Telling the
> truth to pore little Philip is "hate," unless he's saying that the
Germans
> gassed 6 million of his brethren.

Hateful expressions don't have to be false, but often are with
antisemites, since the true facts don't offer enough opportunity to
vent the hatred.

To say it didn't happened is also "denial"
> as if it was ever a fact to begin with.

To deny an established fact of history is denial. Nothing difficult
there.

"Intolerance" is another little gem
> of the Jew. While we are to "resist" the devil and flee from him,
little
> Philip tells us to "tolerate."

I merely suggest you demonstrate some of the religious principles you
claim to follow.

 But to "tolerate" means to let all kinds of
> bad things in which is the point of little Philip's diatribe.

A rather strange interpretation. You are confusing the judgment to be
made about individuals based upon their character and conduct with the
mindless condemnation of entire groups, as if entire groups of people
manifest "bad things" merely because of an accident of birth or
religion or ethnicity. Most people learn this distinction in grade
school, certainly in Sunday School.

 We are to
> "tolerate" homosexuals which the Jew promotes as normal because so
many of
> them are sexual deviants themselves.

You are flying off on a tangent which hasn't been mentioned. I wonder
why?

 Their own Talmud says it's okay to have
> sex with a 3-year-old child.

A blatant and ignorant mis-characterization. Typical.

 Philip would regard that as "tolerance," of
> course, because he denies it's in the Talmud although so many of us
here
> have read that degenerate filth for ourselves.

You would do well to try to do a better job of defining your own
bizarre brand of situational ethics rather than trying to speak for me.
Hating people because they are Jews, and retailing well known lies
about them is intolerant and against the any sane understanding of
Christian values. Your need to wander of into other subjects reveals
the bankruptcy of your position.

>     It's no where in scripture anywhere to tolerate, and it is the
> anti-thesis of what Christ and St. Paul taught to "resist."

Hating people because of what they are instead of what they do as
individuals is not "resisting".

 So, the
> resistance is right, and they're more right for going underground and
doing
> their work which bothers little Philip that such a thing really
exists. So,
> in desperation, the Jew cries for all kinds of "hate" crimes
legislation as
> if that will do a thing to stop the underground from doing their work
like
> all of the Eric's out there.

They are right to go underground if their objective is to hurt people
or deprive them of their rights based on some racist theory which
mainstream culture rightfully finds repugnant.

>     One last point: "political correctness" and "tolerance" are the
> opposites of each other. One cannot preach "political correctness"
and
> "tolerance" in the same breath because they are diametrically opposed
to one
> another. To demand "political correctness" is simply not "tolerant"
of
> little Philip. Boo-Hoo.

Your inability to discuss an issue without confusing concepts and
venting about unrelated subjects is revealing. Political correctness
and antisemitism are two different things. You've done nothing but
confirm your antisemitism and demonstrate a typically mechanical
response to the discussion. Hating Jews because they are Jews is wrong,
and violates Christian beliefs and Humanist traditions. You should be
more faithful to your faith.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: JM: Mathews
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 06:57:13 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Ed Kadach wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=696
> At 10:03 AM 8/29/99 PDT, you wrote:
> >Philip Mathews said:
> > > You should take his advice, or your wife will really get ripped!
>
> > > Philip Mathews
> > > ~~~~~~~
>
> Is this some kind of a warning or an incitement to harass my family
and
> I, Phil? Much like the ones that the Nazihunter frequently posts to
> alt.revisionism.


Nope. If you were a more honest person, you would admit that I roundly
condemned those actions. And you would also admit that you told the
group at AR in a public posting announcing your departure that your
wife was upset with you and wanted to know what you had against Jews.
The getting ripped reference is to her getting angry, because your
hateful conduct caused disruption in her life. The Nazihunter is a
criminal and should be found and tried. I note that John Morris had
information on this fellow which he was willing to turn over to the
police, but you decided not to pursue it. It is difficult to stop such
activity when the victims refuse to cooperate.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Willie: Kick these Bastards Off
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 07:00:49 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Eddie Kadach wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=699
> At 09:25 AM 8/29/99 PDT, you wrote:
> >You should take his advice, or your wife will really get ripped!
> >
> >Philip Mathews
>
>
>
> Perhaps you had this one in mind when you mentioned my wife.
>
>
Already addressed in earlier post.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: over 60 million Christians
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 07:05:08 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

David Griffin wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=703

> >BTW...
> >
> >Even in these days the fastest they can cremate a body
> >of a weight if 140 lbs, is 30 min at 2,000 degrese using
> >gass with 3 burners acording to "From Death To Dust"
> >
> >Charles
>
> Exactly, Charles....there is no way the Germans could have cremated
that
> many bodies, even with today's technology....just more Jewish
lies....It
> would have taken something like 35 years to have cremated the number
of
> bodies the Jews claim were victims of the Third Reich....what utter
> nonsense!...all we have to do, is to do the math....the figures don't
add
> up.

And your denial is based on what, your simple denial? Why don't you
show us the math which doesn't add up? I think I know why.

Philip Mathews

>
> David
>
> ______________________________________________________

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Willie: Kick these Bastards Off WILLIE PLEAS
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 07:08:24 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Ramon Sparks wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=705
> WILLIE,
>       Brother I would like to add my name to the list wishing to see
these
> people causing the problems removed.

I see, disagreeing with your unsupported pronouncements on Jews and the
history of the Holocaust is a problem, eh.

You are I know, well versed in the
> word of YHVH ... may I as your brother remind you that we are told to"
> mark" those that cause division and seperate from them... Willie , we
as
> the people of YHVH have a job to do... we should not allow those who
would
> detract us from our mission to continue to be a hinderence.

Your own unwillingness to defend you views is the major hinderance your
movement faces.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: The List
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 12:54:34 -0400
From: Charles 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Andy wrote:
>
> When you wrestle with a kosher pig, the pig likes it, and you get dirty.
> Quit wrestling with the Khazar crowd, ignore them. Anyone have trouble
> understanding this should just use the delete key when the see Gorman or
> Philnancy on the e-mail. It's not easy to say this, but I almost asked to be
> taken off the list too. They are like static on the radio, tune them out.
> Vaya Con Dios, Andy

  Works for me!!!!

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Subject: [13texan] Intolerance?
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 13:03:47 -0400
From: Charles 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Christians aren't told they have to tolerate anything
Christ said occupy untill I return... Luke 18:13 Jesus
also said "LUK 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would
not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay
them before me."

nuff said!

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Willie: Kick these Bastards Off WILLIE PLEAS
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 13:24:23 -0400
From: Charles 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Willie,

I am CI and I don't care who or how many or what ever about jews
and nazi's.... Can we move along to a new topic this one has ran
it corse and your trouble makers I see have been posting personal
information about your subscribers from what I have read.

I have been exchanging personal email with you for over two years
now and I have no intentions of stopping, but You need to have a
more secure egroups list. Personal attacks should be edited out
and the one who made it should be removed from the list.

Please do something about this soon.... I am stopping my mail
untill I hear something from you on this matter.

BTW this message is being send both public and private.

Charles

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Willie: Kick these Bastards Off WILLIE PLEAS
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 13:25:37 -0400
From: americans@grove.net
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

SWINE:
       No sir,  we are not at all afraid of facts ,you on the other hand
refute truth . The scripture tells me not to cast pearls before the
SWINE... The proof of your position is also defined in the word ...it tells
that the "SWINE" will trample the truth and then turn and rend the
messenger. We do not fear you , we despise you because you cause division
and you detract from the purpose we have been given. WE CHOOSE to not allow
you to detour us ,to give in and debate you is very well established as
allowing you to succeed.

Ramon

At 07:08 AM 9/2/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Ramon Sparks wrote:
>
>philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
>original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=705
>> WILLIE,
>>       Brother I would like to add my name to the list wishing to see
>these
>> people causing the problems removed.
>
>
>I see, disagreeing with your unsupported pronouncements on Jews and the
>history of the Holocaust is a problem, eh.
>
>
>You are I know, well versed in the
>> word of YHVH ... may I as your brother remind you that we are told to"
>> mark" those that cause division and seperate from them... Willie , we
>as
>> the people of YHVH have a job to do... we should not allow those who
>would
>> detract us from our mission to continue to be a hinderence.
>
>Your own unwillingness to defend you views is the major hinderance your
>movement faces.
>
>Philip Mathews
>
>
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>

Thought for the Day:

"The Compromise of principals for peace results in SLAVERY"

R. Sparks

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Willie: Kick these Bastards Off
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 13:31:27 -0400
From: Charles 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

BTW anyone interested in holding conversation
about CI related topics can send me email to
my address... or if anyone likes we can carry
this over to a new list. I will set one up
if others are interested and we will weed out
the ones who cause trouble via members vote.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Intolerance?
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 10:35:27 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Charles wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=719
> Christians aren't told they have to tolerate anything
> Christ said occupy untill I return... Luke 18:13 Jesus
> also said "LUK 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would
> not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay
> them before me."
>
> nuff said!

Nonsense. Jesus thought of enemies as individuals whose actions
revealed themselves to be so. This has nothing to do with mindless
categorizatons of entire peoples bases exclusively on their belonging
to the group. Christ and his teachings do not support your hate.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Willie: Kick these Bastards Off WILLIE PLEAS
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 12:40:26 -0500
From: Willie Martin 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: dogpatch@bellsouth.net
CC: 13texan@egroups.com

    Charles I send out a message go everyone, or at least, I thought I
had sent out a message to everyone. I HAVE NOT HAD CONTROL OF THE
EGROUPS LIST THAT I FORMED FOR OVER TWO WEEKS. They will not let me in
to do anything to delete it or anything else.

    I have contacted the egoups people several times to try and get some
answers about what they did with the list and why I am no longer
subscribed, nor why I cannot access it any more. And they do no
repspond. I don't know what else to do.

    You want me to take somebody off the list that I cannot even access.
I don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. Why you get so mad
without finding out the facts is beyond me. I am sorry if someone is
sending you stuff you don't like but there is absolutely nothing that I
can do about it.

    As for sending this message out to every one I don't care, I don't
try to hide anything that I do; I try to do what God wants me to do,
and that seems to upset a lot of folks even on my list. And several have
dropped off in the last few weeks, but more have taken their place.

    Charles I don't know why you stated that you were CI like you did,
do you question that I am CI? For I certainly know that I am an
Israelites a descendant of one or more of the ancient Israelite tribes.

    Now I have never posted, as far as I can remember, anything about
the personal life of anyone on my list; so I don't have a clue about
what you are saying about personal information.

    It seems that you are pointing everything that you are angry about
at me, and I don't know what you are talking about.

    If it is something that has been posted to the egoups list that I
started a few weeks ago, then I have not been privy to it, because like
I said they cut me off from having access to it, or to the members list,
or anything else. I can't even get to the messages section. So if you
want to be mad at me I guess that you will just have to be mad.

    I am sorry about the messages you don't like but I can't do anything
about them. I suspect that whoever took over the list is the one
controlling all the messeges now; and that they took it over to try to
destroy everything that I have worked and tried to tell all of you. The
only purpose that I am even on the web is to try to send our people some
information that will help them in their dealing with the enemy and
recognize who that enemy is. And to provide information on what the
enemy believes so they can understand why they act like they do, and
therefore be fore armed against them and can recognize their antics when
they begin.

       I remain Sincerely yours, In His Service, Willie Martin

Charles wrote:

> Willie,
>
> I am CI and I don't care who or how many or what ever about jews
> and nazi's.... Can we move along to a new topic this one has ran
> it corse and your trouble makers I see have been posting personal
> information about your subscribers from what I have read.
>
> I have been exchanging personal email with you for over two years
> now and I have no intentions of stopping, but You need to have a
> more secure egroups list. Personal attacks should be edited out
> and the one who made it should be removed from the list.
>
> Please do something about this soon.... I am stopping my mail
> untill I hear something from you on this matter.
>
> BTW this message is being send both public and private.
>
> Charles

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Willie: Kick these Bastards Off WILLIE PLEAS
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 10:41:00 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Ramon wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=720
> SWINE:
>        No sir,  we are not at all afraid of facts ,you on the other
hand
> refute truth .

Accept that you are unable to show that.

 >The scripture tells me not to cast pearls before the
> SWINE...

The scripture does not tell you to hate Jews just because they are
Jews. And the scripture also warns against those who would use
scripture for their own ends.

 The proof of your position is also defined in the word ...it tells
> that the "SWINE" will trample the truth and then turn and rend the
> messenger.

But who is to say you've identified who exactly is the swine?

 We do not fear you , we despise you because you cause division
> and you detract from the purpose we have been given.\

You despise me because I point out your hypocrisy and lies, and because
you know in your heart that this hatred which overflows from you is not
a Christian response. And you've been given no different purpose than
any of God's other creatures.

 WE CHOOSE to not allow
> you to detour us ,to give in and debate you is very well established
as
> allowing you to succeed.

I have no desire to affect your actions, just to rebut your lies and
hope that the power of God will open your eyes to the wasteful hate you
generate for false purposes which have nothing to do with Him.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Willie: Kick these Bastards Off WILLIE PLEAS
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 10:45:05 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Charles wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=721
> Willie,
>
> I am CI and I don't care who or how many or what ever about jews
> and nazi's.... Can we move along to a new topic this one has ran
> it corse and your trouble makers I see have been posting personal
> information about your subscribers from what I have read.

>
> I have been exchanging personal email with you for over two years
> now and I have no intentions of stopping, but You need to have a
> more secure egroups list. Personal attacks should be edited out
> and the one who made it should be removed from the list.

What about your personal attacks, and hateful words? Are you immune, or
just blind to your own unChristian actions?

>
> Please do something about this soon.... I am stopping my mail
> untill I hear something from you on this matter.

This intolerance for other views is one reason why the views you
express will never enjoy a wider currency than your small group. The
lack of strength in your own convictions are displayed by your desire
to muzzle all who disagree with you.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] A new list
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 14:09:08 -0400
From: Charles 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

I have set up a new email list if anyone wants to join.

anyone who makes personal insults toward the list members
will be removed. The is is for Christian Fellowship and
anyone who is a TRUE believer in Christ is welcome (in my
opinion) however some people lie to join a list and we will
vote on other issues to remove or restrict trouble makers.

Security:

No arcives will be made public!
No shared files directoty!
No Public files directory!

Community email addresses:
Post message: thelostsheep@onelist.com
Subscribe: thelostsheep-subscribe@onelist.com
Unsubscribe: thelostsheep-unsubscribe@onelist.com

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Subject: [13texan] Re: "German Jew Baiting"/Herbie
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 11:18:35 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Jeanne-Marie Zimmerman wrote:

> Nizkor liars said:

No, that is what the story on the front page of the Daily Express said. Please
try to get the attributions right, Ms. Zimmerman.

> Me: As usual, this is what Jews do. They threaten with economic boycotts to
> get their little hissy fits put into place. Then they claim they were, are,
> or will be persecuted.

It is your position, then, Jeanne-Marie, that the German government was *not*
persecuting the Jews prior to the call for a boycott?

That the raids on synagogues prior to the call for an economic response were not
"persecution?"

That the disenfranchisement of Jewish citizens prior to the call for an economic
response was not "persecution?"

What an interesting viewpoint...

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Willie: Kick these Bastards Off WILLIE PLEAS
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 11:20:03 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Willie Martin wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=726
>     Charles I send out a message go everyone, or at least, I thought I
> had sent out a message to everyone. I HAVE NOT HAD CONTROL OF THE
> EGROUPS LIST THAT I FORMED FOR OVER TWO WEEKS. They will not let me in
> to do anything to delete it or anything else.
>
>     I have contacted the egoups people several times to try and get
some
> answers about what they did with the list and why I am no longer
> subscribed, nor why I cannot access it any more. And they do no
> repspond. I don't know what else to do.
>
>     You want me to take somebody off the list that I cannot even
access.
> I don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. Why you get so
mad
> without finding out the facts is beyond me. I am sorry if someone is
> sending you stuff you don't like but there is absolutely nothing that
I
> can do about it.

I think the more important question is why someone should be removed
from this list just because some members do not like to have their view
and prejudices challenged?  The description for this group is history
discussion. I've been trying to discuss history, but whenever the
subject gets beyond glib antisemitic allegations, people go into attack
mode and wish only to disparage Jews.

>
>     As for sending this message out to every one I don't care, I don't
> try to hide anything that I do; I try to do what God wants me to do,
> and that seems to upset a lot of folks even on my list. And several
have
> dropped off in the last few weeks, but more have taken their place.

And are you as sensitive to having your views discussed as so many of
the other list members?  I am frankly amazed at the inability and
unwillingness of list participants to defend their views. The ultimate
defense, usually reached very quickly, is to blame Jews for everthing,
accuse an opponent of being Jewish and concluding from that assumption
in antisemitic fashion that that makes their views somehow irrelevant.
These same folks will deny their antisemitsm (except for a few) or that
they are hate filled in their beliefs. What Christian faith teaches
such hate?

>
>     Charles I don't know why you stated that you were CI like you did,
> do you question that I am CI? For I certainly know that I am an
> Israelites a descendant of one or more of the ancient Israelite
tribes.
>
>     Now I have never posted, as far as I can remember, anything about
> the personal life of anyone on my list; so I don't have a clue about
> what you are saying about personal information.
>
>     It seems that you are pointing everything that you are angry about
> at me, and I don't know what you are talking about.
>
>     If it is something that has been posted to the egoups list that I
> started a few weeks ago, then I have not been privy to it, because
like
> I said they cut me off from having access to it, or to the members
list,
> or anything else. I can't even get to the messages section. So if you
> want to be mad at me I guess that you will just have to be mad.
>
>     I am sorry about the messages you don't like but I can't do
anything
> about them. I suspect that whoever took over the list is the one
> controlling all the messeges now; and that they took it over to try to
> destroy everything that I have worked and tried to tell all of you.
The
> only purpose that I am even on the web is to try to send our people
some
> information that will help them in their dealing with the enemy and
> recognize who that enemy is. And to provide information on what the
> enemy believes so they can understand why they act like they do, and
> therefore be fore armed against them and can recognize their antics
when
> they begin.

I'm sure there must be a technical reason for this. I've never heard of
an email list being taken over. I hope it gets solved soon, and I hope
that you will opt for the free expression of ideas which are on topic
for this group.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: over 60 million Christians
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 11:26:06 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Charles wrote:

> 20 million or 60 million , the poing be does it really matter
> Herb ? Jews murdered more Christians than the Nazi's murdered
> Jews and that was the point I was making.

Accuracy is important, particularly during this sort of acrimonious
discussion. It is easy to throw numbers around, and easier still if you
don't have to back up your claims with documentation.

I understand your point, and I agree with you - murder is murder. I would
not dream of trivializing the Stalinist terror any more than I would
trivialize the Holocaust. The difference, however, is that very few people
devote much time to claiming that Stalin did *not* cause the death of
millions, while a cohesive movement to deny the Nazi murder of Jews
obviously exists.

> Death is wrong it is always bad no matter who is killed! But I
> choose life and it is not time to move away from the past and
> into the now. Who is stealing from the sick and elderly today
> who creates intrest and takes for the poor what little they have
> so that they are totally dependent upon the socialist goverment?

That would be an intelligent thing to do, were it not for the presence of
people who appear to have devoted themselves to the hatred of Jews, and the
denial of the murders of the Jews. I do not believe that we should simply
ignore such moral bankruptcy when we observe it within our community. I
believe we should stand up and confront hatred wherever it may be found.

> I am not a Nazi, I have never hurt or mistreated anyone and I
> refuse to take the blame for Nazi's because I am Christian Identity
> just as I have never owned slaves and refuse white guilt!

I don't recall calling you a Nazi. Christian Identity, however, is openly
and happily in bed with modern nazis, and if you are not aware of this,
perhaps you should take a close look at such allegations, and the
associations commonly found among Identity leaders.

> If someone wants to call me what ever they will as long as they
> can prove it in a court of law that is their choice in life.
> I am free to think in American and express my opinions. I can legally

Of course you are free to express yourself - I would not argue that point at
all, beyond some obvious comments about libel, for instance, or inciting to
violence - that is, laws restricting speech which have been with us for
centuries.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: over 60 million Christians
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 11:28:46 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

David Griffin wrote:

> Good advice, Charles....Jews want to discuss....we are not here to
> discuss....we are here to raise up the banner of the LORD Jesus Christ...and
> to proclaim all that the the Bible says we are; nothing more, nothing
> less...Christianity is a mystical religion....Jews are a Satanic breed, as
> our LORD said....we have nothing to discuss with them; for they do not have
> the mind of Christ as we do.

Interesting - the "Group information" section says of this group:

"A History Discussion Group" ... which is why it seems strange that David does
not want to discuss history. I didn't see anything about religion in the
description, just history.

Curious.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Willie: Kick these Bastards Off WILLIE PLEAS
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 14:32:47 -0400
From: Charles 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: thelostsheep@onelist.com, 13texan@egroups.com

This will be my last message posted the this list
everyone who enjoys fellowship with willie can
subscribe onto the new list where he can have
control thelostsheep@onelist.com

I have unsubscribed to this list and will no longer
be getting mail from it.

May God Bless and Keep His Sheep Untill We Meet in His Kingdom

Charles
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Subject: [13texan] Re: over 60 million Christians
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 11:33:09 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

David Griffin wrote:

> Exactly, Charles....there is no way the Germans could have cremated that
> many bodies, even with today's technology....just more Jewish lies....It
> would have taken something like 35 years to have cremated the number of
> bodies the Jews claim were victims of the Third Reich....what utter
> nonsense!...all we have to do, is to do the math....the figures don't add
> up.

David, would you be kind enough to tell us how you determined that it would
take 35 years? I'd really like to see your source for this information.

It seems to me that modern technology has no bearing at all upon what the
Nazis did - modern technology is not designed to cremate thousands per day,
it's designed to cremate one body at a time. No comparison.

For some accurate data, consider
http://www3.ca.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/auschwitz/crematoria/furnace-capacity-analysis.html

"In 1965, Hydrokop, a chemical mining enterprise based in Krakow, was
commissioned by the Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum to carry out geological
tests at Birkenau aimed at determining the locations of incineration pits and
pyres. Specialists of Hydrokop bored 303 holes up to 3 m deep. Traces of human
ashes, bones, and hair turned up in 42 sites. Documentation of all the holes
and the diagrams of their distribution are preserved in the Conservation
Department of the Museum." (Franciszek Piper, Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death
Camp, p. 179n).

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Subject: [13texan] Re: "Anti-Shemitic"
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 11:34:34 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

David Griffin wrote:

> And who but a pervert would state that it is ok to marry a 3 year old
> girl?....only a perverted Satanic mind would state such a thing....and this
> is mild in comparison to the other perverted things in their dirty talmud.

I can not find anything in Talmud that states that it is ok to marry a 3 year
old girl. Can you tell me exactly where to find this statement, David?

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Subject: [13texan] Re: The List
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:13:30 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Andy,
    You are right. To delete them is the right thing to do. Even the Word
says not to cast your pearls before the swine....I would think that even
meant koshered swine.   Here is a little story that I want to share with
everyone on the list. Years ago I worked on some sound stages in  Hollywood
and two of my favorite sets was The Bionic Woman and the Hart to Hart sets.
As a young carpenter and eager to learn as much as possible I would ask a lot
of questions. I was telling the superintendent one day that after I finished
with the apprentice program I would like to go to Cal State Fullerton to
become a screen writer. As we spoke this elderly gentleman inched over to
where we were talking and it was obvious that he was eaves dropping.
    The boss and I were amused at this obvious action so  being as forward as
I am included him in the conversation. He revealed to us that he was one of
the writers and that he was by that day to observe. While we spoke he
informed us that he was Jewish and the boss who was from Australia shared
that with the old man and the old man looked at me and said," Where in the
south are you from?" (the accent gave it away) and I said," West
Virginia."...Jokingly he stepped back and said," You aren't of German decent
are you?" We all began to laugh. I informed him that I was of English decent
and we continued to speak for a couple more hours.
    When we wrapped up this pleasant little chat he patted me on the back and
said "Young man let me give you some advice. My father told me many years
ago,' son don't let the truth stand in the way of a good story."  We all
laughed as he walked away and we went back to work.
    Until this year when I read David Duke's book My Awakening did that old
man's statement hit me hard. It is funny but can you imagine the lives that
are ruined because of the lies of the Jewish controlled  media outlets? The
truths that are hidden by these trained deception artists?  I want to
apologize to the entire group for allowing the two manipulative snakes have
so much control. I shall continue to read and comment only on the things
pertaining to this list.
Michael Snead
14/88


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Subject: [13texan] Re: The List
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 16:11:41 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Michael Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=736
> Andy,
>     You are right. To delete them is the right thing to do. Even the
Word
> says not to cast your pearls before the swine....I would think that
even
> meant koshered swine.   Here is a little story that I want to share
with
> everyone on the list. Years ago I worked on some sound stages in
Hollywood
> and two of my favorite sets was The Bionic Woman and the Hart to Hart
sets.
> As a young carpenter and eager to learn as much as possible I would
ask a lot
> of questions. I was telling the superintendent one day that after I
finished
> with the apprentice program I would like to go to Cal State Fullerton
to
> become a screen writer. As we spoke this elderly gentleman inched
over to
> where we were talking and it was obvious that he was eaves dropping.
>     The boss and I were amused at this obvious action so  being as
forward as
> I am included him in the conversation. He revealed to us that he was
one of
> the writers and that he was by that day to observe. While we spoke he
> informed us that he was Jewish and the boss who was from Australia
shared
> that with the old man and the old man looked at me and said," Where
in the
> south are you from?" (the accent gave it away) and I said," West
> Virginia."...Jokingly he stepped back and said," You aren't of German
decent
> are you?" We all began to laugh. I informed him that I was of English
decent
> and we continued to speak for a couple more hours.
>     When we wrapped up this pleasant little chat he patted me on the
back and
> said "Young man let me give you some advice. My father told me many
years
> ago,' son don't let the truth stand in the way of a good story."  We
all
> laughed as he walked away and we went back to work.
>     Until this year when I read David Duke's book My Awakening did
that old
> man's statement hit me hard. It is funny but can you imagine the
lives that
> are ruined because of the lies of the Jewish controlled  media
outlets?

Oh, please, you can't be this thick! You are aware of the difference
between fiction and nonfiction writing.  The writer's innocuous
statement referred to writing fiction for the screen. And you and your
boss understood it perfectly, which is why you laughed. You knew he
wasn't referring to journalists making things up. That you feel the
need to smear Jews by so obviously distorting the man's meaning
probably results from the same animus which causes you to lie about
Jewish control of media outlets.

 The
> truths that are hidden by these trained deception artists?  I want to
> apologize to the entire group for allowing the two manipulative
snakes have
> so much control. I shall continue to read and comment only on the
things
> pertaining to this list.

The description of this list is the discussion of history, something
you are obviously loathe to do because we would then see who are the
deception artists.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Edom/Jews/Judah
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 16:15:34 PDT
From: "Jeanne-Marie Zimmerman" 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

I had said:
The Encyclopedia Judaica as well as the Jewish Encyclopedias state, "Edom is
in modern Jewry." Therefore, Jews of today have no link to this scripture.
===================
Bill Hoyt said:
Let us assume for a moment that the quote is true.  If that is the case,
then the statement that "Paul wrote that the Jews lost their covenant with
God" would be shown to be false, since Paul wrote of the Jews in his day (of
whom he was one, of the tribe of Benjamin - Rom 11:1).  If they were truly
Edomites, then they never had a covenant to lose.
~~~~~~~
Me: Bill, let's get this straight. The word Jew is a later scripture
redaction. It is not in the original text. Jesus was a Judean, not a Jew.
Jew is slang for Judean. There were 12 tribes, unless one counts the sons of
Joseph as 2 tribes and comes up with 13. Therefore, Israel is not Judah
alone, but Judah is one of the tribes. Also, the Israelites were not Jews.
The Hebrews were not Jews. Abraham was not a Jew, but a Hebrew. After
Assyrian captivity, Israel went to Arsareth, from II Esdras 13. Arsareth is
Germany. Most Jews of today are of Khazarian origin, a Turkal-Mongol Asiatic
mix. They have nothing to do with Shem. They are called Azkenazi's who are
in the line of Azkenaz, or the line of Japeth, and are linked with Gog and
Gomer.
JM

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Subject: [13texan] Convergence of Evidence: The Key to Historical Proof
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 16:24:15 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

An excerpt from a Skeptic Magazine Article: "Proving the Holocaust: The
Refutation of Revisionism & the Restoration of History,"

A Convergence of Evidence: The Key to Historical Proof

Within all of these fallacies of thinking about both evolution and the
Holocaust, there is an assumption by the creationists and the
revisionists that if they can just find one tiny crack in the structure
the entire edifice will come tumbling down. This is the fundamental flaw
in their reasoning. The Holocaust is not a single event. The Holocaust
was 10,000 events in 10,000 places, and is proved by 10,000 bits of data
that converge on one conclusion. Neither evolution nor the Holocaust can
be disproved by minor errors or inconsistencies here and there, for the
simple reason that they were never proved by these lone bits of data in
the first place. To understand why, we must consider the nature of proof
in the science of history. How do we know anything happened in the past?

   In 1840 the English philosopher of science, William Whewell,
published his classic work on The Philosophy of the Inductive Sciences,
in which he talked at length about inductions, or generalizations drawn
from specific facts. But to prove a theory one must have more than just
one generalization. And these multiple inductions must all point to a
definite conclusion, building upon one another independently but in
conjunction. Whewell said of these inductions that they "jumped
together" to establish the veracity of a theory. A fond coiner of words
(e.g., "scientist"), Whewell called this method of thinking a
consilience of inductions. "Accordingly the cases in which inductions
from classes of facts altogether different have thus jumped together,
belong only to the best established theories which the history of
science contains. And, as I shall have occasion to refer to this
particular feature in their evidence, I will take the liberty of
describing it by a particular phrase; and will term it the Consilience
of Inductions" (p. 230).

   A less cumbersome phrase might be a convergence of evidence.
Evolution, for example, is proved by the convergence of evidence from
geology, paleontology, botany, zoology, herpetology, entomology,
biogeography, anatomy, physiology, and comparative anatomy. No one piece
of evidence from these diverse fields says "evolution" on it. A fossil
is a snapshot. But a fossil in a geological bed, with other fossils of
the same and different species, compared to species in lower strata and
upper strata, contrasted to modern similar organisms, juxtaposed with
species in other parts of the world, past and present, and so on, turn
that snapshot into a motion picture. Each set of inductions from each
field jumps together to a grand conclusion--evolution. This is how
narrative history becomes scientific history.

   The process is no different in proving the Holocaust. How do we know
about the Holocaust? We have:

   1. Written documents--hundreds of thousands of letters, memos,
blueprints, orders, bills, speeches, articles, memoirs, and confessions.

   2. Eyewitness testimony--accounts from survivors, Kapos,
Sonderkommandos, SS guards, commandants, local townspeople, and even
upper-echelon Nazis who did not deny the Holocaust.

   3. Photographs--official military and press photographs, civilian
photographs, secret photographs taken by survivors, aerial photographs,
German and Allied film footage, etc.

   4. The camps themselves--many concentration camps, work camps, and
death camps are still extant in varying degrees of originality and
reconstruction.

   5. Negative evidence--if five to six million Jews were not killed,
where did all those people go?

A Case Study in Convergence

Let us examine how this works as a case study in history as a science.
We have an eyewitness account by a survivor who says he heard about
gassing Jews while he was at Auschwitz. The revisionist says that
survivors exaggerate and that their memories are unsound. Another
survivor tells another story different in details but with the core
similarity that Jews were gassed at Auschwitz. The revisionist claims
that rumors were floating throughout the camps and many survivors
incorporated them into their memories. An SS guard confesses after the
war that he actually saw people being gassed and cremated. The
revisionist claims that these confessions were forced out of the Nazis
by the Allies. But now a Sonderkommando--a Jew who helped the Nazis load
dead bodies out of the gas chambers and into the crematoria--says he not
only heard about it, and not only saw it happening, he actually
participated in the process. The revisionist explains this away by
saying that the Sonderkommando accounts make no sense-- their figures of
numbers of bodies are exaggerated and their dates are incorrect. What
about the camp commandant, who confessed after the war that he not only
heard, saw, and participated in the process, but that he orchestrated
it!? He was tortured, says the revisionist. But what about his
autobiography written after his trial, conviction, and sentencing to
death, when he had nothing to gain by lying? No one knows why people
confess to ridiculous crimes, explains the revisionist, but they do.

   No single testimony says "Holocaust" on it. But taking many together
the story begins to unfold. And now the revisionist's defense is
beginning to unravel. Instead of the historian having to present "just
one proof," the revisionist must now disprove five pieces of historical
data, with five different methods of disproof. But there is more. We
have the blueprints for both the gas chambers and the crematoria--huge
structures built for processing large numbers of bodies. Those were used
strictly for delousing, claims the revisionist, and thanks to the
Allies' war against Germany, the Germans were never given the
opportunity to deport the Jews to their own homeland, and instead had to
put them into overcrowded camps where disease and lice were rampant.
What about the huge orders of Zyklon-B gas? It was strictly used for
delousing all those diseased inmates. What about those speeches by
Hitler, Himmler, Frank, and Goebbels talking about the "extermination"
of the Jews? Oh, they really meant "rooting out," as in deporting them
out of the Reich. What about Eichmann's confession at his trial? He was
coerced. Hasn't the German government confessed that the Nazis attempted
to exterminate European Jewry? Yes, but they lied so they could rejoin
the family of nations.

   Now the revisionist must rationalize no less than 14 different bits
of evidence that "jump together" to a specific conclusion. But our
convergence continues. If six million Jews did not die, where did they
go? They are in Russia, and America, and Israel, and scattered
throughout the world. But why can't they find each other? They do--
haven't you heard the occasional stories of long-lost siblings making
contact with each other after many decades? What about those photos and
newsreels of the liberation of the camps with all those dead bodies and
starving/dying inmates? Those people were well taken care of until the
end of the war when the Allies were mercilessly bombing German cities,
factories, and supply lines that were feeding those camps--the Nazis
tried valiantly to save their prisoners but the combined strength of the
Allies was too much. But what about all those accounts by prisoners of
the brutality of the Nazis--the random shootings and beatings, the
deplorable conditions, the freezing temperatures, the overwork, etc.?
This is war. The Americans put Japanese in camps. The Japanese
imprisoned Chinese. The Russians tortured Poles and Germans. War is
hell. The Nazis are no different from anyone else.

   Post Hoc Rationalization. We are now up to 18 proofs all converging
toward one conclusion. The revisionist is desperately swinging away at
them all, steadfastly determined not to give up his belief system. He is
relying on what might be called post hoc rationalization--an after-the-
fact reasoning to justify contrary evidence. In addition, the
revisionist then shifts the burden of disproving all this evidence to
the historian by mistakenly demanding that each one of these pieces of
evidence independently prove the Holocaust.

   Am I making all this up? No. This is not a hypothetical case study.
Every one of these examples, and 10,000 more, are readily available in
the various sources cited in this essay, as well as Danuta Czech's
Auschwitz Chronicle (1990), Henry Friedlander and Sybil Milton's The
Holocaust: Ideology, Bureaucracy, and Genocide (1980), Alex Grobman's
Genocide (1983), Michael Marrus's edited nine-volume collection of
articles on The Nazi Holocaust (1989), and Leni Yahil's The Holocaust
(1990). See Bibliography for full citations, as well as for the
revisionists' responses to these works,  which include (with those
already cited): Austin App's The Six Million Swindle (1973), Arthur
Butz's The Hoax of the Twentieth Century (1976), Friedrich and Thomson's
The Hitler We Loved and Why (1977), Richard Harwood's Did Six Million
Really Die? (1992), David Irving's Hitler's War (1977), and Fred
Leuchter's numerous Leuchter Reports on Auschwitz, Dachau, Mauthausen,
Hartheim, and the Mississippi Execution Gas Chamber. Publications about
the revisionists  include Shelly Shapiro's Truth Prevails (1990), Pierre
Vidal-Naquet's Assassins of Memory (1993), Deborah Lipstadt's Denying
the Holocaust (1993), the Simon Wiesenthal Center's The Neo-Nazi
Movement in Germany (1993), and the ADL's Hitler's Apologists (1993).

   Since it is not possible in a magazine-length article to adequately
cover all of the points made above, I will focus in depth on two major
points of contention by the revisionists: (1) the intentionality issue--
whether Hitler and/or the other major Nazis ordered the Holocaust; and
(2) the gas chamber/crematoria accounts. For each we will examine the
convergence of evidence, documenting each step along the way.

[Continued in Part 9]

                          Work Cited

   Shermer, Michael. "Proving the Holocaust: The Refutation of
      Revisionism & the Restoration of History," _Skeptic_, Vol. 2,
      No. 4, Altadena, California, June, 1994. Published by the
      Skeptics Society, 2761 N. Marengo Ave., Altadena, CA 91001,
      (818) 794-3119.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Charles/Disrupters
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 16:40:44 PDT
From: "Jeanne-Marie Zimmerman" 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Charles wrote:
BTW anyone interested in holding conversation
about CI related topics can send me email to
my address... or if anyone likes we can carry
this over to a new list. I will set one up
if others are interested and we will weed out
the ones who cause trouble via members vote.

Charles
~~~~~~~
Me: Good idea, Charles. I asked Willie to delete the pig slime off the list,
but they're still going at it. They just sit all day and night and write
stuff because the parasites are paid to do this. I found it interesting to
throw a few pieces of bait to Philip last night and to see him chew on it.
Everytime he opens his mouth he reveals more of his deceitful nature. He
just chatters and chatters like a little stupid monkey that never knows when
to quit. And ya, I think Willie needs to tighten up this list. In the
meantime, we all need to ignore the jerks as some have suggested and send
their mail directly to trash where it all belongs. I'd like to know what
Willie has to say about the subject. I think his list is great and deserves
better than having disrupters come here. I think we should try to stay here
until we hear from Willie on the subject.
JM

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Subject: [13texan] Re: "Hate and Intolerance"
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 19:49:01 -0400
From: jsavage 
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Hi ALL!

> > Philip, the "Care Bear" said:
> > What right do you have to defined who his enemies are? People should
> > worry about their own relationships with God, rather than the
> fostering of
> > hate and intolerance.
> >
> > Philip Mathews

The Bible is very clear as to the enemies of
Christ Jesus....

"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of
darkness, but rather reprove[expose] them". (Eph 5:11)

Rabbi Reichhorn said in his "Funeral Oration for Grand
Rabbi Simon-ben-Ihuda"...which was published in the La
Vielle France, on March 10, 1921....and again in Libre
Parole, November 27, 1933....

"Every hundred years, We, the sages of Israel, have been
accustomed to meet in Sanhedrinin in order to examine our
progress towards the domination of the world which Jehovah
has promised us, and our conquests over the enemy, Christianity...

(Notice the rabbi says that Christians are his enemy....does
not this make Jews/Judaism the Christian's enemy?....or is
this a one way street?)

For ages past the sons of Israel[jews], despised and persecuted,
have been working to open up a path to power. They are hitting
the mark. They control the economic life of the accursed
Christians; their influence preponderates over politics and over
manners.

"accursed Christians...."!?
(ever looked up the definition of accursed??)

It is perfectly ok for them to call me accursed....but let
me say..."Wait a minute...there has been a mistake in identity....
These people (jews as you know them today) are not God's chosen
people...it is the Celtic Scandanavian and Germantic peoples of
the world that are the true chosen people."...then I am
immediately labled as "a hate monger"...."one who is intolerant"
..."an antisemetic" (whatever that is!)...."a racist" etc. .

And you call me these things....not knowing what these people
are saying OR what the Bible is saying!

All you do is parrot what they want you too!

Now finish reading what this poor, persecuted, mis-understood,
antichrist rabbi has in store for you....

At the wished-for hour, fixed in advance, we shall let loose the
Revolution which by ruining all classes of Christianity will
definitely enslave the Christian to us."

Now what if I came out in the newspaper and on TV and said...
"I can't wait for our pre-arranged plan that is going to ruin
all classes of Judaism....and not only that...in so doing it
will enslave the Jew to us Christians for ever!"

Wheeew!...Can you imangine what would be said?...and people
like you would be leading the parade (out of pure ignorance)!!

Chief Rabbi Stephen S. Wise said in a letter to Jennie and Leo
Waterman....who were a sister and brother to Louise Waterman Wise...
Taken from the book "Stephan S. Wise: Servant of the People, Selected
Letters, Edited by Carl Herman Voss", Philadelphia: The Jewish
Publication Society of America, 1969; p. 19

"I took up the challenge and told why I reject the Divine
Messiahship of Jesus, without any attempts at concealment
of my attitude towards the idolatrous features of orthodox
Christianity....".

Did this rabbi deny Jesus as the Son of God?....According to
the Bible is he not an antichrist and one who does not have
the Father? (1John 2:22-23)

Do you suppose this rabbi taught what he believed?....or do
you think he kept it all to himself?

In the same book...a letter to a Mrs. Donald MacIntyre, p. 195

"We[Jewery] do not believe that Jesus is in any unique sense
the Son of God."

Rabbi Meir Kahane said in The Jewish Press; January 6, 1989;
p. 49.....(and btw...Rabbi Kahane was the founder of the Jewish
Defense League....a very militant organization)...

"I have not the slightest sympathy for Christianity or Jesus.
As a believing Jew, not only is Jesus not "God," but he is
neither Messiah nor prophet. For the Jew he was a blasphemer,
one who attacked the Torah as unchanging divine law and who
was a false prophet and heretic."

"...the Torah as unchanging divine law...."!?

Here is a little proof that even though they tell you that
they believe the OT as the word of God...they don't....it's
just another one of their lies...

"For I am YHWH, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob
are not consumed". (Malachi 3:6)

Now if YHWH doesn't change neither does his law....

This is in total opposition to what this rabbi said and
teaches...

More proof that these antichrists don't believe in the
Old Testament is found in John 5:46-47;

"For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for
he wrote of me. (47)But if ye believe not his writings,
how shall ye believe my words?"

Of course one shouldn't believe the words of Christ,
should he? Instead he should believe the lies of the
Jews/antichrists and lick their boots.... Isn't that
what you....and people like you are saying?

And what else does the Bible have to say about the
comments of these rabbis....

"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the
Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and
the Son."  (1John 2:22)

"WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:
[but] he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also".
                                             (1John 2:23)

"For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not
that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and
an antichrist." (2John 7)

"Whosoever transgresseth and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ,
hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath
both the Father and the Son". (2John 9)

"If there come any unto you and bring not this doctrine, receive
him not into your house, neither bid him God speed". (2John 10"

"For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds".
                                                      (2John 11)

Why are you standing up for these people?....In so doing
you are one of them!....

God says if you DO NOT believe Jesus is the Christ...then
you are a liar and an antichrist....

The rabbis say and teach that Jesus Christ is NOT the Christ....
that he is NOT the Son of God....

In the 1980 Jewish Almanac; ISBN 0-553-01265-7; Bantam Books;
Oct. 1980; it states the following in the first sentence of
the first paragraph under the heading "Our Identity Crisis"...

Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite
a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew".

Do you understand what the Jews are saying here?...If not..please
let me help you...They are saying that they ARE NOT the people of
the Bible!!!

"The tactical purpose of political correctness is
to silence the truth in order to protect the lie."
                         (don't know who said that)

Jeremiah

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Subject: [13texan] German Persecution
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 16:53:10 PDT
From: "Jeanne-Marie Zimmerman" 
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

Herbie said:
It is your position, then, Jeanne-Marie, that the German government was
*not* persecuting the Jews prior to the call for a boycott?
~~~~~~~
Me: The Jew-infested Weimar Republic was strangling Germany and imposed gun
control. Zionists are the ones who arranged the U.S. to go to war against
Germany on Britain's side in exchange for the Balfour Declaration. Benjamin
Freedman exposed that.

As far as I'm concerned, that little Khazarian tribe asked for what they
got. I think the fact that Germany was destroyed in two wars, not counting
the 30 Years War of which Jews infested the Catholic Church and the
Protestant movement to foment that war says plenty.

I could care less about your little Jewish persecution complex. Does that
mean I would dislike every Jew? No, but as long as they stick together,
they'll continue to go down together. I'm much more interested in the
interests of my Ayran brothers and sisters.
JM

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Charles/Disrupters
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 17:25:45 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

JM wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=740
> Charles wrote:
> BTW anyone interested in holding conversation
> about CI related topics can send me email to
> my address... or if anyone likes we can carry
> this over to a new list. I will set one up
> if others are interested and we will weed out
> the ones who cause trouble via members vote.
>
> Charles
> ~~~~~~~
> Me: Good idea, Charles. I asked Willie to delete the pig slime off
the list,
> but they're still going at it.

Typical hateful name calling by someone unable to engage in rational
discussion.

 They just sit all day and night and write
> stuff because the parasites are paid to do this.

Typical lies.

 I found it interesting to
> throw a few pieces of bait to Philip last night and to see him chew
on it.
> Everytime he opens his mouth he reveals more of his deceitful nature.
He
> just chatters and chatters like a little stupid monkey that never
knows when
> to quit.

Inaccurate description by someone afraid to discuss anything
substantive.

 And ya, I think Willie needs to tighten up this list. In the
> meantime, we all need to ignore the jerks as some have suggested and
send
> their mail directly to trash where it all belongs. I'd like to know
what
> Willie has to say about the subject. I think his list is great and
deserves
> better than having disrupters come here. I think we should try to
stay here
> until we hear from Willie on the subject.

Ms. Zimmerman defines as disrupters people who expose the hypocrisy of
supposed Christians, and the lack of historical content in a list
described as a discussion of history.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: "Hate and Intolerance"
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 17:44:07 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

jsavage wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=741
> Hi ALL!
>
> > > Philip, the "Care Bear" said:
> > > What right do you have to defined who his enemies are? People
should
> > > worry about their own relationships with God, rather than the
> > fostering of
> > > hate and intolerance.
> > >
> > > Philip Mathews
>
>
> The Bible is very clear as to the enemies of
> Christ Jesus....
>
> "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of
> darkness, but rather reprove[expose] them". (Eph 5:11)

Believing that this description fits Jews, merely because they are
Jews, is mindless racism, unworthy of anyone who claims to follow God's
word.

(snip the lies of a well known forgery)

> And you call me these things....not knowing what these people
> are saying OR what the Bible is saying!

You've just proven your own racism. Even if this passage were real, (it
isn't) it represents the words of one man. To cite it as justification
for condemning a whole people is the essence of racism. I would hardly
form my opinion of all Christians by the words of any one, or even the
entire group of this list. But then, I'm not a hater.

>
> All you do is parrot what they want you too!

Nonsense. It is you who parrot antisemitic crap from know nothing
authors and websites and pretend its learning.
>
> Now finish reading what this poor, persecuted, mis-understood,
> antichrist rabbi has in store for you....
>
> At the wished-for hour, fixed in advance, we shall let loose the
> Revolution which by ruining all classes of Christianity will
> definitely enslave the Christian to us."
>
> Now what if I came out in the newspaper and on TV and said...
> "I can't wait for our pre-arranged plan that is going to ruin
> all classes of Judaism....and not only that...in so doing it
> will enslave the Jew to us Christians for ever!"

Then I would say, look at that crackpot. I wouldn't say, those filthy
Christians, they get whatever they deserve, even a Holocaust, and the
Lord should punish them. Even you should be able to see the difference.

>
> Chief Rabbi Stephen S. Wise said in a letter to Jennie and Leo
> Waterman....who were a sister and brother to Louise Waterman Wise...
> Taken from the book "Stephan S. Wise: Servant of the People, Selected
> Letters, Edited by Carl Herman Voss", Philadelphia: The Jewish
> Publication Society of America, 1969; p. 19
>
> "I took up the challenge and told why I reject the Divine
> Messiahship of Jesus, without any attempts at concealment
> of my attitude towards the idolatrous features of orthodox
> Christianity....".
>
> Did this rabbi deny Jesus as the Son of God?....According to
> the Bible is he not an antichrist and one who does not have
> the Father? (1John 2:22-23)

No more than every Muslim, Bhuddist, Hindu and many other religious
believers in the world. And yet you choose to focus on Jews alone,
which tells us much about you and the hate which fills your heart and
will destroy your relationship with the Lord. It is for the Lord to
judge these matters, not you.

>
> Do you suppose this rabbi taught what he believed?....or do
> you think he kept it all to himself?

It's his religion, and if he teaches that, he teaches nothing as
poisonous as what you market.

You post this forgery and selected bits of individuals opinions of
their own religious beliefs as if they somehow justify your blind,
mindless hate. It doesn't. Other religions have the right to practice
as they see fit. Your lies about Judaism reflect poorly on you, but
unlike you, I would not say it reflects poorly on your religion.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: German Persecution
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 17:52:21 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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JM wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=742
> Herbie said:
> It is your position, then, Jeanne-Marie, that the German government
was
> *not* persecuting the Jews prior to the call for a boycott?
> ~~~~~~~
> Me: The Jew-infested Weimar Republic was strangling Germany and
imposed gun
> control. Zionists are the ones who arranged the U.S. to go to war
against
> Germany on Britain's side in exchange for the Balfour Declaration.
Benjamin
> Freedman exposed that.

You really should learn some history. A half million Jews did not have
that kind of power in Weimar. And the U.S. entered into a war with
Japan because we were attacked at Pearl Harbor. Hitler responded by
declaring war on the United States. Don't you think you bear any
responsibility to be accurate about basic historical facts?

>
> As far as I'm concerned, that little Khazarian tribe asked for what
they
> got. I think the fact that Germany was destroyed in two wars, not
counting
> the 30 Years War of which Jews infested the Catholic Church and the
> Protestant movement to foment that war says plenty.

Thank you for admitting that the Nazis murdered millions of Jews. As
for your belief they deserved it, that is a matter you will one day
have to take up with someone else. The German destruction in World War
II was their own doing, as they brought a living hell to all of Europe.
>
> I could care less about your little Jewish persecution complex. Does
that
> mean I would dislike every Jew? No, but as long as they stick
together,
> they'll continue to go down together. I'm much more interested in the
> interests of my Ayran brothers and sisters.

Thereby revealing you antisemitism and your manifest ignorance of the
most basic of Christian values.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Intolerance?
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 20:58:45 -0400
From: jsavage 
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

philnancy@aol.com wrote:
>
> Charles wrote:
>
> philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=719
> > Christians aren't told they have to tolerate anything
> > Christ said occupy untill I return... Luke 18:13 Jesus
> > also said "LUK 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would
> > not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay
> > them before me."
> >
> > nuff said!
>
> Nonsense. Jesus thought of enemies as individuals whose actions
> revealed themselves to be so. This has nothing to do with mindless
> categorizatons of entire peoples bases exclusively on their belonging
> to the group. Christ and his teachings do not support your hate.
>

Hummmmm...John 8:44 is not thought of by Jesus
as individuals....neither is Matthew 23:27....
neither is Matthew 7:21-24...or Luke 19:27

In John 8:44 Jesus didn't say..Ye are of your
father the devil, and the lusts of your father
ye will do. EXCEPT most of you are okay....

He did NOT say that at all...Of course maybe we
would rather not read those passages because we
can't answer them....

js
--
Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite
a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew".

                                       The 1980 Jewish Almanac

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Subject: [13texan] Re: A new list Reply
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:21:16 +1000
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Dear Charles,
Please place my name on your new list.
Frank Dowsett.    fdowsett@idx.com.au
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>I have set up a new email list if anyone wants to join.
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Subject: [13texan] Re: Intolerance?
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 18:27:37 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

jsavage wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=746
> philnancy@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Charles wrote:
> >
> > philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=719
> > > Christians aren't told they have to tolerate anything
> > > Christ said occupy untill I return... Luke 18:13 Jesus
> > > also said "LUK 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would
> > > not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay
> > > them before me."
> > >
> > > nuff said!
> >
> > Nonsense. Jesus thought of enemies as individuals whose actions
> > revealed themselves to be so. This has nothing to do with mindless
> > categorizatons of entire peoples bases exclusively on their
belonging
> > to the group. Christ and his teachings do not support your hate.
> >
>
> Hummmmm...John 8:44 is not thought of by Jesus
> as individuals....neither is Matthew 23:27....
> neither is Matthew 7:21-24...or Luke 19:27

These have nothing to do with what we are talking about.

>
> In John 8:44 Jesus didn't say..Ye are of your
> father the devil, and the lusts of your father
> ye will do. EXCEPT most of you are okay....

This is not a categorization of all people based on who they are,
rather than what they do. What kind of Christian are you, condemning
groups rather that individuals?

>
> He did NOT say that at all...Of course maybe we
> would rather not read those passages because we
> can't answer them....

Why should your misinterpretation of them be answered? You are a
disgrace to your professed religion, which explains why you are an
outcast from mainstream religion. You better hope the judgment rendered
upon you is more just and Christian spirited than what you visit on
innocent people.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Willie: Kick these Bastards Off WILLIE PLEAS
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 21:29:09 -0400
From: americans@grove.net
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

LAST NOTE,
        You are intelligent for sure but seriously misdirected and
indoctrinated. SIR < I simply CHOOSE to not debate your kind ,after they
have been given facts still you refute truth. You may say what you choose
but the truth cannot be changed by you or me .Praises to YAHWEH.... Either
you are SWINE or the blind soul or a son of Esau ....
Soldier of YHVH
Ramon Sparks

At 10:41 AM 9/2/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Ramon wrote:
>
>
>philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
>original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=720
>> SWINE:
>>        No sir,  we are not at all afraid of facts ,you on the other
>hand
>> refute truth .
>
>Accept that you are unable to show that.
>
>
> >The scripture tells me not to cast pearls before the
>> SWINE...
>
>The scripture does not tell you to hate Jews just because they are
>Jews. And the scripture also warns against those who would use
>scripture for their own ends.
>
> The proof of your position is also defined in the word ...it tells
>> that the "SWINE" will trample the truth and then turn and rend the
>> messenger.
>
>But who is to say you've identified who exactly is the swine?
>
> We do not fear you , we despise you because you cause division
>> and you detract from the purpose we have been given.\
>
>
>You despise me because I point out your hypocrisy and lies, and because
>you know in your heart that this hatred which overflows from you is not
>a Christian response. And you've been given no different purpose than
>any of God's other creatures.
>
>
>
> WE CHOOSE to not allow
>> you to detour us ,to give in and debate you is very well established
>as
>> allowing you to succeed.
>
>I have no desire to affect your actions, just to rebut your lies and
>hope that the power of God will open your eyes to the wasteful hate you
>generate for false purposes which have nothing to do with Him.
>
>
>Philip Mathews
>
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Subject: [13texan] Re: Willie: Kick these Bastards Off WILLIE PLEAS
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 18:32:40 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Ramon wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=748
> LAST NOTE,
>         You are intelligent for sure but seriously misdirected and
> indoctrinated. SIR

That would describe you I'm afraid.

 < I simply CHOOSE to not debate your kind ,after they
> have been given facts still you refute truth.

You've provided not a single fact, and you do not speak the truth. Why
you choose not to debate is obvious.

You may say what you choose
> but the truth cannot be changed by you or me .Praises to YAHWEH....
Either
> you are SWINE or the blind soul or a son of Esau ....
> Soldier of YHVH

Praise the Lord, and may he give you the power to see the counterfeit
nature of what you call Christianity.

Philip Mathews

> Ramon Sparks
>
>
>
>
> At 10:41 AM 9/2/99 -0700, you wrote:
> >Ramon wrote:
> >
> >
> >philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> >original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=720
> >> SWINE:
> >>        No sir,  we are not at all afraid of facts ,you on the other
> >hand
> >> refute truth .
> >
> >Accept that you are unable to show that.
> >
> >
> > >The scripture tells me not to cast pearls before the
> >> SWINE...
> >
> >The scripture does not tell you to hate Jews just because they are
> >Jews. And the scripture also warns against those who would use
> >scripture for their own ends.
> >
> > The proof of your position is also defined in the word ...it tells
> >> that the "SWINE" will trample the truth and then turn and rend the
> >> messenger.
> >
> >But who is to say you've identified who exactly is the swine?
> >
> > We do not fear you , we despise you because you cause division
> >> and you detract from the purpose we have been given.\
> >
> >
> >You despise me because I point out your hypocrisy and lies, and
because
> >you know in your heart that this hatred which overflows from you is
not
> >a Christian response. And you've been given no different purpose than
> >any of God's other creatures.
> >
> >
> >
> > WE CHOOSE to not allow
> >> you to detour us ,to give in and debate you is very well
established
> >as
> >> allowing you to succeed.
> >
> >I have no desire to affect your actions, just to rebut your lies and
> >hope that the power of God will open your eyes to the wasteful hate
you
> >generate for false purposes which have nothing to do with Him.
> >
> >
> >Philip Mathews
> >
> >

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Edom, Quote
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 20:45:00 CDT
From: "David Griffin" 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

>~~~~~~~
>Me: Mathews, what about the part from your own encyclopedia which says that
>"Edom is modern Jewry?" Of course, you will avoid it, or go around it with
>your slime-bait tactics. Rabbi Stephen Wise said that Communism and Judaism
>were the same, so go do your own research for once.
>JM

Communism and Judaism are exactly the same, JM....that's why they say,
"scratch a Jew and you'll find a communist"....And I think deep down the
Jews are proud of this fact....They are defineatly perverted liars.

David

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Willie: Kick these Bastards Off WILLIE PLEAS
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 21:56:38 -0400
From: americans@grove.net
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

MUCH LAUGHTER !!!!!!

Ramon

At 06:32 PM 9/2/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Ramon wrote:
>
>
>philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
>original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=748
>> LAST NOTE,
>>         You are intelligent for sure but seriously misdirected and
>> indoctrinated. SIR
>
>That would describe you I'm afraid.
>
> < I simply CHOOSE to not debate your kind ,after they
>> have been given facts still you refute truth.
>
>You've provided not a single fact, and you do not speak the truth. Why
>you choose not to debate is obvious.
>
>
>
>You may say what you choose
>> but the truth cannot be changed by you or me .Praises to YAHWEH....
>Either
>> you are SWINE or the blind soul or a son of Esau ....
>> Soldier of YHVH
>
>Praise the Lord, and may he give you the power to see the counterfeit
>nature of what you call Christianity.
>
>Philip Mathews
>
>
>
>
>> Ramon Sparks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 10:41 AM 9/2/99 -0700, you wrote:
>> >Ramon wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
>> >original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=720
>> >> SWINE:
>> >>        No sir,  we are not at all afraid of facts ,you on the other
>> >hand
>> >> refute truth .
>> >
>> >Accept that you are unable to show that.
>> >
>> >
>> > >The scripture tells me not to cast pearls before the
>> >> SWINE...
>> >
>> >The scripture does not tell you to hate Jews just because they are
>> >Jews. And the scripture also warns against those who would use
>> >scripture for their own ends.
>> >
>> > The proof of your position is also defined in the word ...it tells
>> >> that the "SWINE" will trample the truth and then turn and rend the
>> >> messenger.
>> >
>> >But who is to say you've identified who exactly is the swine?
>> >
>> > We do not fear you , we despise you because you cause division
>> >> and you detract from the purpose we have been given.\
>> >
>> >
>> >You despise me because I point out your hypocrisy and lies, and
>because
>> >you know in your heart that this hatred which overflows from you is
>not
>> >a Christian response. And you've been given no different purpose than
>> >any of God's other creatures.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > WE CHOOSE to not allow
>> >> you to detour us ,to give in and debate you is very well
>established
>> >as
>> >> allowing you to succeed.
>> >
>> >I have no desire to affect your actions, just to rebut your lies and
>> >hope that the power of God will open your eyes to the wasteful hate
>you
>> >generate for false purposes which have nothing to do with Him.
>> >
>> >
>> >Philip Mathews
>> >
>> >
>
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Subject: [13texan] Re: [ Edom/Jews/Judah]
Date: 2 Sep 99 20:57:29 CDT
From: Bill Hoyt 
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

"Jeanne-Marie Zimmerman"  wrote:
>Bill, let's get this straight. The word Jew is a later scripture
>redaction. It is not in the original text. Jesus was a Judean, not a Jew.

Very easy to say, but not to prove.  The original word in the New Testament is
"Ioudiaos", which means, according to Strong's Concordance, "Judaen, belonging
to Jehudah, Jew".

There is no evidence that it was ever any other word (of course, if you have
some, I'd be willing to look at it).

Now, what is a Jew?  Accoring to Webster's first dictionary (which is the
oldest I have (1828)), a Jew is "A Hebrew or Israelite".  Interesting, I think
Jesus qualifies on both counts.  And the modern Webster's defines "Jew" as

Main Entry: Jew
Pronunciation: 'jü
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French gyu, from Latin Judaeus, from Greek
Ioudaios, from Hebrew YehudhI, from
YehudhAh Judah, Jewish kingdom
Date: 13th century
1 a : a member of the tribe of Judah b : ISRAELITE
2 : a member of a nation existing in Palestine from the 6th century B.C. to
the 1st century A.D.
3 : a person belonging to a continuation through descent or conversion of the
ancient Jewish people
4 : one whose religion is Judaism

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?jew

So I think Jesus qualifies on all 4 counts there.  I suppose one could create
a definition which does not include Him, but I have not yet seen one.

>After
>Assyrian captivity, Israel went to Arsareth, from II Esdras 13. Arsareth
>is Germany.

This is rather curious.  So then the Jews are not Israelites, even though
that's what the name means.  Instead, the Israelites are modern-day Germans.

Well, let's ask the Germans where they came from:

The Anglos and Saxons were a Germanic tribe.  And the Anglo-Saxon Chronicles
claims that the Saxons came from "Aethelwulf, son of Egbert...Itermon, the son
of Hathra, the son of Bedwig, the son of Scaef, who is the Son of Noah and was
born in Noah's Ark." (Year 855, AS Chronicles)  Now I have followed the line
from Aethelwulf, the King of the Saxons back to Noah (and left out a few, but
you can look them up if you'd like), and there's no Israel, Jacob, Joseph, or
Abraham on the list.  Surely if the Germans had such fine ancestors, they
would have included them in the geneological rolls.

Two that they did include in the list were Woden and Geat, and we shall return
to them in a moment.

Then Bede, the 8th century Saxon monk, traces the genealogy of Hengist and
Horsa (the first Saxon chieftains in England), back to "Witta, whose father
was Wecta, son of Woden, from whose stock sprang the royal houses of many
provinces" Bede, "Ecclesiastical History", I, 15.

And Nennius, the 8th Century Btitish Monk, gives the genealogy of the Germans
thus: "Horsa and Hengist, brothers, and sons of Wihtgills.  Wihtgills was the
son of Witta, the son of Wecta, the son of Woden.  Woden of Frithowald,
Frithowald of Frithowulf, Frithowulf of Finn, Finn of Godwulf, Godwulf of
Geat, who as they say, is the son of a God" Nenniius, "Historia Brittonum"
31.

The German epic Beowulf (7th-10th century) also has the same cast of
ancestors.  In it, Beowulf is a Geating (Beowulf, 195)

Asser's life of King Alfred (9th century) also lists the Saxon ancestry to
include "Beldeg, who was the son of Woden, who was the son of Frithowald...who
was the son of Geat (whom the Pagans long worshipped as a god)...who was the
son of Seth, who was the son of Noah"  Asser, "Life of Alfred", Part I. (the
fact that Asser uses Seth instead of Scaef is noted by Medieval archivists,
and Florence of Worchester, writing in 1118, noted "Seth saxones Scaef"
(Corpus Christi Library Cambridge MS XCII (Parker Library)), so even they
realized that Seth was the Scaef of the other chronicles.

So, we have seen from five Saxon separate sources (and they truly are
separate, as they begin in different places, end in different places, and
eliminate separate ancestors), none of which associate the Saxons (or the
Geatings, who merged with the Swedes) with Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob.  What we
have instead is this ubiquitous "Scaef" ("Seskef" in the Vesstusisima Regum
Septentrionius Series Langdethgatal dicta and the Prose Edda, and "Scef" in
the Fabii Ethelwerdi Chronicorum libri quattuor, the Royal Genealogies of
Iceland, Norway, and Denmark)

So who is Scaef (of Seskef, or Seth)?  Let's say first who it is not: it is
obvious that it is not a later scribal introduction into the text to give
"Biblical" ancestors to the Saxons.  No Christian scribe would have entered
(or let stand) the blunder about Seskef being born in Noah's Ark.  So it must
be original to the text.  And the Christians never used "Seskef" when they
were referring to Genesis, but always the Latin name "Iafeth".

Scaef is, in fact, the Saxonized version of Japeth, whom the later scribes
called Iafeth, and he was not born in the ark.  How do we know he's Japeth?

Because Nennius, our 5th century scribe, tells us, "I have learned another
account of this Brutus (the ancestor of the Britons) from the ancient books of
our ancestors.  After the deluge, the three sons of Noah severally occupied
three different parts of the earth: Shem extended his borders into Asia, Ham
into Africa, and Japeth into Europe" (Nennius, "Historia Brittonum", 17) and
says "The whole of Europe was subdivided into these tribes".

Also, every late-medieval scribe who wrote on these matters called the founder
of the Saxons "Iafeth".  It becomes obvious that they considered their branch
of the human family to be descended from Japeth, not Shem, Abraham, or Israel.
 In fact, there is no single mention of either of these three (or even Hebrew
names) in any of these documents, except in relation to Christ.  If the
Germans were descended from the Hebrews, it would come as a great surprise to
them.

>Most Jews of today are of Khazarian origin, a Turkal-Mongol
>Asiatic mix. They have nothing to do with Shem. They are called
>Azkenazi's who are in the line of Azkenaz, or the line of Japeth,
>and are linked with Gog and Gomer.

German Jews are indeed called Ashkenazim, and Gomer is linked with the
Cimmerians, and hence, Germany (The Assyrian Esarhaddon records his defeat at
the hands of the "Gimarri").

However, since by the time the Israelites would have been absorbed into the
Germans, the Germans were well established in Europe, a people like the
Israelites would have disappeared without a trace (which they did, apparently,
since there are no Hebrew names in any of the Germanic documents).

So since the Germans (according to Bede, Nennius, and "Beowulf") were
uniformly pagan in 500ad, any Jews who appear under that title must have
arrived after the fall of the Roman Empire (or they would not still be Jews),
and so have no bearing on our discussion.

When Paul wrote Romans, he said:

"What shall we then say?  That the Gentiles who did not pursue righteousness
have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith, but Israel, who pursued a
law of righteousness has not attained it" (Rom 9:30-1)  Now it is pretty clear
from the context that Paul considers Israel (v 31) and "The Jews" (v 24) to be
the same thing.  And for me, that settles it.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Edom, Quote
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 19:00:49 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

David Griffin wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=751
>
> >~~~~~~~
> >Me: Mathews, what about the part from your own encyclopedia which
says that
> >"Edom is modern Jewry?"

It's not my encyclopedia. Do you assume that because someone has you
pegged as a hateful antisemite  that means they are Jewish? You're
abhorrent to all decent people.

 Of course, you will avoid it, or go around it with
> >your slime-bait tactics. Rabbi Stephen Wise said that Communism and
Judaism
> >were the same, so go do your own research for once.

You call citing one Jews opinion as research, or proof of your point?
Pfui!

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Willie: Kick these Bastards Off WILLIE PLEAS
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 19:01:50 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Ramon wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=752
> MUCH LAUGHTER !!!!!!

Hehehe.

Philip Mathews

>
> Ramon
>
>
>
>
> At 06:32 PM 9/2/99 -0700, you wrote:
> >Ramon wrote:
> >
> >
> >philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> >original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=748
> >> LAST NOTE,
> >>         You are intelligent for sure but seriously misdirected and
> >> indoctrinated. SIR
> >
> >That would describe you I'm afraid.
> >
> > < I simply CHOOSE to not debate your kind ,after they
> >> have been given facts still you refute truth.
> >
> >You've provided not a single fact, and you do not speak the truth.
Why
> >you choose not to debate is obvious.
> >
> >
> >
> >You may say what you choose
> >> but the truth cannot be changed by you or me .Praises to YAHWEH....
> >Either
> >> you are SWINE or the blind soul or a son of Esau ....
> >> Soldier of YHVH
> >
> >Praise the Lord, and may he give you the power to see the counterfeit
> >nature of what you call Christianity.
> >
> >Philip Mathews
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Ramon Sparks
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> At 10:41 AM 9/2/99 -0700, you wrote:
> >> >Ramon wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> >> >original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=720
> >> >> SWINE:
> >> >>        No sir,  we are not at all afraid of facts ,you on the
other
> >> >hand
> >> >> refute truth .
> >> >
> >> >Accept that you are unable to show that.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >The scripture tells me not to cast pearls before the
> >> >> SWINE...
> >> >
> >> >The scripture does not tell you to hate Jews just because they are
> >> >Jews. And the scripture also warns against those who would use
> >> >scripture for their own ends.
> >> >
> >> > The proof of your position is also defined in the word ...it
tells
> >> >> that the "SWINE" will trample the truth and then turn and rend
the
> >> >> messenger.
> >> >
> >> >But who is to say you've identified who exactly is the swine?
> >> >
> >> > We do not fear you , we despise you because you cause division
> >> >> and you detract from the purpose we have been given.\
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >You despise me because I point out your hypocrisy and lies, and
> >because
> >> >you know in your heart that this hatred which overflows from you
is
> >not
> >> >a Christian response. And you've been given no different purpose
than
> >> >any of God's other creatures.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > WE CHOOSE to not allow
> >> >> you to detour us ,to give in and debate you is very well
> >established
> >> >as
> >> >> allowing you to succeed.
> >> >
> >> >I have no desire to affect your actions, just to rebut your lies
and
> >> >hope that the power of God will open your eyes to the wasteful
hate
> >you
> >> >generate for false purposes which have nothing to do with Him.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Philip Mathews
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> >

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Subject: [13texan] Willie
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 22:05:01 -0400
From: americans@grove.net
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

Hey brother,
      If you can not eliminate these non believers please remove me from
the public list and keep me on your private list. Many thanks brathair,

Ramon

Thought for the Day:

"The Compromise of principals for peace results in SLAVERY"

R. Sparks

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Subject: [13texan] Re: The List
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 21:13:52 CDT
From: "David Griffin" 
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>When you wrestle with a kosher pig, the pig likes it, and you get dirty.
>Quit wrestling with the Khazar crowd, ignore them. Anyone have trouble
>understanding this should just use the delete key when the see Gorman or
>Philnancy on the e-mail. It's not easy to say this, but I almost asked to
>be
>taken off the list too. They are like static on the radio, tune them out.
>Vaya Con Dios, Andy

Excellent advice, Andy....couldn't have said it better myself....Gorman and
Mathews are Jew pigs...No doubt about it...They are enemies of Christ and
have nothing to offer us.

Hail Jesus' Victory!
David

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Subject: [13texan] Re: over 60 million Christians
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 23:23:07 -0400
From: jsavage 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Herb Gorman wrote:
>
> David Griffin wrote:
>
> > Good advice, Charles....Jews want to discuss....we are not here to
> > discuss....we are here to raise up the banner of the LORD Jesus Christ...and
> > to proclaim all that the the Bible says we are; nothing more, nothing
> > less...Christianity is a mystical religion....Jews are a Satanic breed, as
> > our LORD said....we have nothing to discuss with them; for they do not have
> > the mind of Christ as we do.
>
> Interesting - the "Group information" section says of this group:
>
> "A History Discussion Group" ... which is why it seems strange that David does
> not want to discuss history. I didn't see anything about religion in the
> description, just history.
>
> Curious.
>

And you are saying the Bible isn't a history book?

js
--
Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite
a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew".

                                       The 1980 Jewish Almanac

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Willie: Kick these Bastards Off WILLIE PLEAS
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:30:49 -0700
From: "Yuriy Kirienko" 
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Willie:

I was kicked out of several list by Jews and their puppets. As I said
before, they always falsely accuse and put themselves into a position
of the judge. You yourself allow it to happen.

When they kicked me out they used the same argument as to keep
them in like in this case below.  It is absolutely meaningless to
argue with a Jew because he is interested in the advantage of
lies for himself and does not seek the truth. Do not pay any
attention to his "arguments" - just kick him out.

That man acts as a typical Jewish agent and agents do not discuss
anything - they just waste the time of their targeted people. Only a
fool would try to prove anything to an agent. -- He simply would
continue to repeat the same garbage all over again.

The Jews asserted the Holocaust as a fact that it is not. They had
to prove their allegation but Jews never do. They always commit
a crime, call it with a different name and accuse their victims of
being anti-Semitic. Their leave their babbling in the aftermath for
the victim to disprove it to them as if they are the judges. Yet, any
serious attempt to investigate the false allegation is punishable
by imprisonment by the criminals of Germany impersonating
the judges.

They do it because once they are accused they cannot be a judge
who control the production of evidence. That automatically means
that an impersonator becomes guilty and goes behind the bars. For
that reason they would never allow to bring charges against them -
they would be repeating the same stuff all over as if they do not
hear them.

Yuriy |Kirienko

-----Original Message-----
From: philnancy@aol.com [mailto:philnancy@aol.com]
Sent: September 02, 1999 11:20
To: 13texan@egroups.com
Subject: [13texan] Re: Willie: Kick these Bastards Off WILLIE PLEAS

Willie Martin wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=726
>     Charles I send out a message go everyone, or at least, I thought I
> had sent out a message to everyone. I HAVE NOT HAD CONTROL OF THE
> EGROUPS LIST THAT I FORMED FOR OVER TWO WEEKS. They will not let me in
> to do anything to delete it or anything else.
>
>     I have contacted the egoups people several times to try and get
some
> answers about what they did with the list and why I am no longer
> subscribed, nor why I cannot access it any more. And they do no
> repspond. I don't know what else to do.
>
>     You want me to take somebody off the list that I cannot even
access.
> I don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. Why you get so
mad
> without finding out the facts is beyond me. I am sorry if someone is
> sending you stuff you don't like but there is absolutely nothing that
I
> can do about it.

I think the more important question is why someone should be removed
from this list just because some members do not like to have their view
and prejudices challenged?  The description for this group is history
discussion. I've been trying to discuss history, but whenever the
subject gets beyond glib antisemitic allegations, people go into attack
mode and wish only to disparage Jews.

>
>     As for sending this message out to every one I don't care, I don't
> try to hide anything that I do; I try to do what God wants me to do,
> and that seems to upset a lot of folks even on my list. And several
have
> dropped off in the last few weeks, but more have taken their place.

And are you as sensitive to having your views discussed as so many of
the other list members?  I am frankly amazed at the inability and
unwillingness of list participants to defend their views. The ultimate
defense, usually reached very quickly, is to blame Jews for everthing,
accuse an opponent of being Jewish and concluding from that assumption
in antisemitic fashion that that makes their views somehow irrelevant.
These same folks will deny their antisemitsm (except for a few) or that
they are hate filled in their beliefs. What Christian faith teaches
such hate?

>
>     Charles I don't know why you stated that you were CI like you did,
> do you question that I am CI? For I certainly know that I am an
> Israelites a descendant of one or more of the ancient Israelite
tribes.
>
>     Now I have never posted, as far as I can remember, anything about
> the personal life of anyone on my list; so I don't have a clue about
> what you are saying about personal information.
>
>     It seems that you are pointing everything that you are angry about
> at me, and I don't know what you are talking about.
>
>     If it is something that has been posted to the egoups list that I
> started a few weeks ago, then I have not been privy to it, because
like
> I said they cut me off from having access to it, or to the members
list,
> or anything else. I can't even get to the messages section. So if you
> want to be mad at me I guess that you will just have to be mad.
>
>     I am sorry about the messages you don't like but I can't do
anything
> about them. I suspect that whoever took over the list is the one
> controlling all the messeges now; and that they took it over to try to
> destroy everything that I have worked and tried to tell all of you.
The
> only purpose that I am even on the web is to try to send our people
some
> information that will help them in their dealing with the enemy and
> recognize who that enemy is. And to provide information on what the
> enemy believes so they can understand why they act like they do, and
> therefore be fore armed against them and can recognize their antics
when
> they begin.

I'm sure there must be a technical reason for this. I've never heard of
an email list being taken over. I hope it gets solved soon, and I hope
that you will opt for the free expression of ideas which are on topic
for this group.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: The List
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 22:07:18 -0600
From: Ed Kadach 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

At 09:13 PM 9/2/99 CDT, you wrote:

>>When you wrestle with a kosher pig, the pig likes it, and you get dirty.
>>Quit wrestling with the Khazar crowd, ignore them. Anyone have trouble
>>understanding this should just use the delete key when the see Gorman or
>>Philnancy on the e-mail. It's not easy to say this, but I almost asked to
>>be
>>taken off the list too. They are like static on the radio, tune them out.
>>Vaya Con Dios, Andy
>
>Excellent advice, Andy....couldn't have said it better myself....Gorman and
>Mathews are Jew pigs...No doubt about it...They are enemies of Christ and
>have nothing to offer us.
>
>Hail Jesus' Victory!
>David

While some of us are gathered on this list in our research into the history
of the jewish conspiracy we must be careful to not associate too intimately
with these poisoners of the European Christian mind. Some of us are here to
investigate a conspiracy that we each have independently been researching on
our own for some time. This is fortunate and very opportune for us now. Let's
take advantage of this and share information which will fill in the missing
pieces in our respective research. But let's not be drawn into arguing with
nor trying to prove anything to jews and their shabbez goyim. Perhaps there
are lurkers on the list that have begun to suspect a jewish conspiracy and
they will gain something from our sharing of information.

And keep this in mind in regards to the jews contributions to the list:

When you're a jew, you're a jew all the way
>From your first Kol Nidre to your last lying day ...

Racialist regards,

Ed Kadach

"All truth passes through three stages. First,
it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
---Schopenhauer

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Subject: [13texan] Re: JM: Mathews
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 23:18:58 -0600
From: Ed Kadach 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

At 06:57 AM 9/2/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Ed Kadach wrote:
>
>
>
>philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
>original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=696
>> At 10:03 AM 8/29/99 PDT, you wrote:
>> >Philip Mathews said:
>> > > You should take his advice, or your wife will really get ripped!
>>
>> > > Philip Mathews
>> > > ~~~~~~~
>>
>> Is this some kind of a warning or an incitement to harass my family
>and
>> I, Phil? Much like the ones that the Nazihunter frequently posts to
>> alt.revisionism.
>
>
>
>Nope. If you were a more honest person, you would admit that I roundly
>condemned those actions. And you would also admit that you told the
>group at AR in a public posting announcing your departure that your
>wife was upset with you and wanted to know what you had against Jews.
>The getting ripped reference is to her getting angry, because your
>hateful conduct caused disruption in her life. The Nazihunter is a
>criminal and should be found and tried. I note that John Morris had
>information on this fellow which he was willing to turn over to the
>police, but you decided not to pursue it. It is difficult to stop such
>activity when the victims refuse to cooperate.
>
>Philip Mathews

And if you were a more honest person you would admit that only on the
first occasion that the Nazihunter posted the info on me did you condemn
the action. Since then, over the last half dozen times or so that it has
re-occurred you have been very silent. I checked the archives just to be
certain. However, I can't vouch for the accuracy of the archive search.
In regards to my wife, if you check the archives, I posted her more
recent views on the jews. I do not deny that she was upset at me at
one time due to the property damage we incurred and the rash of phone
calls we received and continue to receive.
In regards to the police, I stated right from the start that the police
were notified and still are involved. John Morris, one of Edmonton's
resident Zionists insists he has information but has set forth certain
criteria that he wants met before he hands anything over. Why doesn't
he just hand it over as a good citizen should, keeping in mind that the
Nazihunter as you have stated is a criminal?

Now, of all the Nazihunter's posts inciting people to harass my family
and I, where was your condemnation over this recent posting of his?

 >> Forum: alt.revisionism
                         >> Thread: WHY NOT TELL ED'S NEIGHBORS ABOUT THEIR
                   NAZI BASTARD NEIGHBOR
                           >> Message 71 of 57280


                   Subject:
                         WHY NOT TELL ED'S NEIGHBORS ABOUT THEIR
                         NAZI BASTARD NEIGHBOR
                   Date:
                         1999/08/08
                   Author:
                         nazihunter 
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                    FRESH NUMBERS TO CONTACT THE NAZI PIG KADACH AND HIS
                    FAMILY.
                    WHY NOT GIVE A CALL AND TELL THEM WHAT A SCUMBAG ED IS?

                    Ed Kadach
                    XXX St NW XXXX
                    Edmonton, AB T6H 2Z7 Phone: 780-XXX-XXXX, : 780-XXX-XXXX

Racialist regards,

Ed Kadach

"All truth passes through three stages. First,
it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
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Subject: [13texan] Re: "Hate and Intolerance"
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 03:48:28 -0400
From: jsavage 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Hi ALL!
> >
> > > > Philip, the "Care Bear" said:
> > > > What right do you have to defined who his enemies are? People
> should
> > > > worry about their own relationships with God, rather than the
> > > fostering of
> > > > hate and intolerance.
> > > >
> > > > Philip Mathews
> >
> >
> > The Bible is very clear as to the enemies of
> > Christ Jesus....
> >
> > "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of
> > darkness, but rather reprove[expose] them". (Eph 5:11)
>
> Believing that this description fits Jews, merely because they are
> Jews, is mindless racism, unworthy of anyone who claims to follow God's
> word.

Did I say that was what that passage said....No I didn't...
Did you give any Scriptures for your unabridged criticism...
no you didn't....and your inadequate attempt at building
a strawman is almost laughable....

In the above passage the words fellowship and reprove as
found in the Greek are in the Present tense - active voice
and imerative mood...The imperative mood expresses a command
to the hearer to perform an action by the authority of the one
commanding....this isn't an invitation or a "Gee, I wish
you would do this"...but an absolute command requiring full
obedience....
>
> (snip the lies of a well known forgery)
>
A forgery?....Hummm...means there has to be an
original somewhere...doesn't it?

It is also a very easy way out..so as not to have
to deal with the material....

Please....by all means document your unfounded accusation...
Until you do I am going to keep putting it in...

Rabbi Reichhorn said in his "Funeral Oration for Grand
Rabbi Simon-ben-Ihuda"...which was published in the La
Vielle France, on March 10, 1921....and again in Libre
Parole, November 27, 1933....

"Every hundred years, We, the sages of Israel, have been
accustomed to meet in Sanhedrinin in order to examine our
progress towards the domination of the world which Jehovah
has promised us, and our conquests over the enemy, Christianity...

(Notice the rabbi says that Christians are his enemy....does
not this make Jews/Judaism the Christian's enemy?....or is
this a one way street?)

For ages past the sons of Israel[jews], despised and persecuted,
have been working to open up a path to power. They are hitting
the mark. They control the economic life of the accursed
Christians; their influence preponderates over politics and over
manners.

"accursed Christians...."!?
(ever looked up the definition of accursed??)

> > And you call me these things....not knowing what these people
> > are saying OR what the Bible is saying!
>
> You've just proven your own racism. Even if this passage were real, (it
> isn't) it represents the words of one man. To cite it as justification
> for condemning a whole people is the essence of racism. I would hardly
> form my opinion of all Christians by the words of any one, or even the
> entire group of this list. But then, I'm not a hater.
>

No it doesn't represent the words of one man...It represents
the words of Judaism as a whole...

"The people of God[Jews] cooperate with atheists; the most
skillful accumulators of property ally themselves with
communists; the peculiar and chosen race touch the hand of
all the scum and low casts in Europe! And all this because
they wish to destroy that ungrateful Christendom...whose
tyranny they can no longer endure."
Benjamin Disraeli, "Lord George Bentinck A Political
Biography"; London: Archibald Constable and Co. Lmtd;
1905; p. 324

"It (the NT) presupposes the concept of Jesus of
Nasareth as a divnity, a concept which we do not
accept..we do not accept jesus of Nazareth as the
Christ." Rabbi Joachim Prinz, testamony, New Jersey
Supreme Court, Tudor vs. Board of Education of
Rutherford, 14 N.J. 31(1953) certiorari denied 348
U.S. 816(1954)

These people are antichrists....and you say I am a
hater because I expose them?

> >
> > All you do is parrot what they want you too!
>
> Nonsense. It is you who parrot antisemitic crap from know nothing
> authors and websites and pretend its learning.

antisemetic?....mind telling me what antisemetic means...

And I suppose that you have a list of know everything
authors that give superior knowledge...(This ought to be good)

> >
> > Now finish reading what this poor, persecuted, mis-understood,
> > antichrist rabbi has in store for you....
> >
> > At the wished-for hour, fixed in advance, we shall let loose the
> > Revolution which by ruining all classes of Christianity will
> > definitely enslave the Christian to us."
> >
> > Now what if I came out in the newspaper and on TV and said...
> > "I can't wait for our pre-arranged plan that is going to ruin
> > all classes of Judaism....and not only that...in so doing it
> > will enslave the Jew to us Christians for ever!"
>
> Then I would say, look at that crackpot. I wouldn't say, those filthy
> Christians, they get whatever they deserve, even a Holocaust, and the
> Lord should punish them. Even you should be able to see the difference.
>
Where are you getting your knowledge to make this JUDGMENT?
And why don't you make the same judgment on the antichrists?

> >
> > Chief Rabbi Stephen S. Wise said in a letter to Jennie and Leo
> > Waterman....who were a sister and brother to Louise Waterman Wise...
> > Taken from the book "Stephan S. Wise: Servant of the People, Selected
> > Letters, Edited by Carl Herman Voss", Philadelphia: The Jewish
> > Publication Society of America, 1969; p. 19
> >
> > "I took up the challenge and told why I reject the Divine
> > Messiahship of Jesus, without any attempts at concealment
> > of my attitude towards the idolatrous features of orthodox
> > Christianity....".
> >
> > Did this rabbi deny Jesus as the Son of God?....According to
> > the Bible is he not an antichrist and one who does not have
> > the Father? (1John 2:22-23)
>
> No more than every Muslim, Bhuddist, Hindu and many other religious
> believers in the world. And yet you choose to focus on Jews alone,
> which tells us much about you and the hate which fills your heart and
> will destroy your relationship with the Lord. It is for the Lord to
> judge these matters, not you.
>
Tells us!?....who are "us"?

Now if you direct me to the Scriptures concerning the Muslim,
Bhuddist, Hindu, etc. I would be more than happy to oblige...
because the word of God says to expose the evil deeds of
darkness...which is something you do not want to do...it's
called fear....

 >
> > Do you suppose this rabbi taught what he believed?....or do
> > you think he kept it all to himself?
>
> It's his religion, and if he teaches that, he teaches nothing as
> poisonous as what you market.
>

To deny Jesus Christ as the Son of God isn't "poisonous"?!...
but to expose those who deny Him is?...

All I am doing is trying to expose their God hating
practices....of course it is okay as far as you are
concerned...for them to hate my Saviour...the Lord
Jesus Christ....just as long as no one offends one
of the God haters...

"He that is not with me is against me; and he that
gathereth not with me scattereth". Luke 11:23

"And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not; for he that is
not against us is for us". Luke 9:50

> You post this forgery and selected bits of individuals opinions of
> their own religious beliefs as if they somehow justify your blind,
> mindless hate. It doesn't. Other religions have the right to practice
> as they see fit. Your lies about Judaism reflect poorly on you, but
> unlike you, I would not say it reflects poorly on your religion.
>
"One witness shall not rise up against a man for any
iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth:
at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three
witnesses, shall the matter be established". Deut 19:15

I've given my two or three witnesses....

Are these the lies you are referring too....the rest of
this post are the Scriptures you cut out of the first
post because YOU CAN NOT AND WILL NOT DEAL WITH THEM!

"For I am YHWH, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob
are not consumed". (Malachi 3:6)

Now if YHWH doesn't change neither does his law....

This is in total opposition to what this rabbi said and
teaches...

More proof that these antichrists don't believe in the
Old Testament is found in John 5:46-47;

"For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for
he wrote of me. (47)But if ye believe not his writings,
how shall ye believe my words?"

Of course one shouldn't believe the words of Christ,
should he? Instead he should believe the lies of the
Jews/antichrists and lick their boots.... Isn't that
what you....and people like you are saying?

And what else does the Bible have to say about the
comments of these rabbis....

"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the
Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and
the Son."  (1John 2:22)

"WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:
[but] he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also".
                                             (1John 2:23)

"For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not
that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and
an antichrist." (2John 7)

"Whosoever transgresseth and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ,
hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath
both the Father and the Son". (2John 9)

"If there come any unto you and bring not this doctrine, receive
him not into your house, neither bid him God speed". (2John 10"

"For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds".
                                                      (2John 11)

Why are you standing up for these people?....In so doing
you are one of them!....

God says if you DO NOT believe Jesus is the Christ...then
you are a liar and an antichrist....

The rabbis say and teach that Jesus Christ is NOT the Christ....
that he is NOT the Son of God....

In the 1980 Jewish Almanac; ISBN 0-553-01265-7; Bantam Books;
Oct. 1980; it states the following in the first sentence of
the first paragraph under the heading "Our Identity Crisis"...

Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite
a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew".

Do you understand what the Jews are saying here?...If not..please
let me help you...They are saying that they ARE NOT the people of
the Bible!!!

"The tactical purpose of political correctness is
to silence the truth in order to protect the lie."
                         (don't know who said that)

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a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew".

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Intolerance?
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 04:16:57 -0400
From: jsavage 
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Hi all!
 jsavage wrote:
>
> philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=746
> > philnancy@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Charles wrote:
> > >
> > > philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> > > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=719
> > > > Christians aren't told they have to tolerate anything
> > > > Christ said occupy untill I return... Luke 18:13 Jesus
> > > > also said "LUK 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would
> > > > not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay
> > > > them before me."
> > > >
> > > > nuff said!
> > >
> > > Nonsense. Jesus thought of enemies as individuals whose actions
> > > revealed themselves to be so. This has nothing to do with mindless
> > > categorizatons of entire peoples bases exclusively on their
> belonging
> > > to the group. Christ and his teachings do not support your hate.
> > >
> >
> > Hummmmm...John 8:44 is not thought of by Jesus
> > as individuals....neither is Matthew 23:27....
> > neither is Matthew 7:21-24...or Luke 19:27
>
> These have nothing to do with what we are talking about.

Why not?

>
> >
> > In John 8:44 Jesus didn't say..Ye are of your
> > father the devil, and the lusts of your father
> > ye will do. EXCEPT most of you are okay....
>
> This is not a categorization of all people based on who they are,
> rather than what they do. What kind of Christian are you, condemning
> groups rather that individuals?

OH!...who is Jesus Christ speaking to in John 8:44? I always
thought the context was found in vs 48....Would you show me
the correct context....

>
> >
> > He did NOT say that at all...Of course maybe we
> > would rather not read those passages because we
> > can't answer them....
>
> Why should your misinterpretation of them be answered?

Then you give me the correct interpretation of those passages.
I am always willing to learn...

You are a
> disgrace to your professed religion, which explains why you are an
> outcast from mainstream religion.

When one can not deal with the subject matter they
always turn on the person and try to discredit them...

> You better hope the judgment rendered
> upon you is more just and Christian spirited than what you visit on
> innocent people.
>

"innocent people"?....such as??

I already know the judgment that will be rendered upon me! 

js
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a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew".

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Subject: [13texan] Re: A new list Reply
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 06:37:51 -0500 (CDT)
From: Muriel Schmidt 
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Charles:  add my name to your list.  Thanks.

9 +1000, you wrote:
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>Please place my name on your new list.
>Frank Dowsett.    fdowsett@idx.com.au
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Subject: [13texan] Willie
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 09:10:13 -0400
From: americans@grove.net
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Wille,
       Please do not be offended at our moving to the one list... WE still
want you to run it ! PLEASE continue your work , just don't let those who
would stop you do so ...through any means ,including sidelining you through
contentious actions.

Your Brother as always ,
Ramon

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Subject: [13texan] Re: [ Edom/Jews/Judah]
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 11:04:33 CDT
From: "David Griffin" 
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>
>
>"Jeanne-Marie Zimmerman"  wrote:
> >Bill, let's get this straight. The word Jew is a later scripture
> >redaction. It is not in the original text. Jesus was a Judean, not a Jew.

Very true, JM...our LORD Jesus Christ was not a Jew...He was a Judean...He
was an Israelite....But He was never a Jew....He despised the Jews; as did
Paul and the other apostles....and as we should today.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: The List
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 11:12:00 CDT
From: "David Griffin" 
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>From: Ed Kadach 
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>At 09:13 PM 9/2/99 CDT, you wrote:
>
> >>When you wrestle with a kosher pig, the pig likes it, and you get dirty.
> >>Quit wrestling with the Khazar crowd, ignore them. Anyone have trouble
> >>understanding this should just use the delete key when the see Gorman or
> >>Philnancy on the e-mail. It's not easy to say this, but I almost asked
>to
> >>be
> >>taken off the list too. They are like static on the radio, tune them
>out.
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> >
> >Excellent advice, Andy....couldn't have said it better myself....Gorman
>and
> >Mathews are Jew pigs...No doubt about it...They are enemies of Christ and
> >have nothing to offer us.
> >
> >Hail Jesus' Victory!
> >David
>
>
>
>While some of us are gathered on this list in our research into the history
>of the jewish conspiracy we must be careful to not associate too intimately
>with these poisoners of the European Christian mind. Some of us are here to
>investigate a conspiracy that we each have independently been researching
>on
>our own for some time. This is fortunate and very opportune for us now.
>Let's
>take advantage of this and share information which will fill in the missing
>pieces in our respective research. But let's not be drawn into arguing with
>nor trying to prove anything to jews and their shabbez goyim. Perhaps there
>are lurkers on the list that have begun to suspect a jewish conspiracy and
>they will gain something from our sharing of information.
>
>
>And keep this in mind in regards to the jews contributions to the list:
>
>When you're a jew, you're a jew all the way
>From your first Kol Nidre to your last lying day ...
>
>
>
>Racialist regards,
>
>Ed Kadach

So true, Ed....the Jews are masters of deceit..They have nothing at all to
offer us...Their agenda is to devide and conquer...Knowing this  going in,
gives us a foot up on them...All Jews must be excluded from  from
communication regarding our Identity....All they know is lying....it is
there way, as our LORD said it was.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Willie
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 11:18:01 CDT
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>Wille,
>        Please do not be offended at our moving to the one list... WE still
>want you to run it ! PLEASE continue your work , just don't let those who
>would stop you do so ...through any means ,including sidelining you through
>contentious actions.
>
>Your Brother as always ,
>Ramon
>
>Thought for the Day:
>
>"The Compromise of principals for peace results in SLAVERY"
>
>R. Sparks

Willie....keep up the good work...I'm with you, brother....I'm here to learn
from you, my friend...I can deal with the Jews....they are so predictable;
and very easy to avoid.

Hail Jesus' Victory!
David
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Subject: [13texan] History/My Turf
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 09:56:59 PDT
From: "Jeanne-Marie Zimmerman" 
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

I had said:
Me: The Jew-infested Weimar Republic was strangling Germany and
imposed gun control. Zionists are the ones who arranged the U.S. to go to
war against Germany on Britain's side in exchange for the Balfour
Declaration. Benjamin Freedman exposed that.
~~~~~~~
Little Phil said:

You really should learn some history. A half million Jews did not have
that kind of power in Weimar. And the U.S. entered into a war with
Japan because we were attacked at Pearl Harbor. Hitler responded by
declaring war on the United States. Don't you think you bear any
responsibility to be accurate about basic historical facts?
~~~~~~~
Me: I haven't had the chance yet to send Phil's stuff to trash yet, but
after this, I'm directing it all there. For the sake of the list, and of
historical accuracy, I will answer this barbarian's question:

The Jews are a tribe who think in terms of collective interests. They are
the ones who flooded Germany with filth, prostitution, and the like. The
Weimar Republic was full of Jews. FDR, as Under Secretary of the Navy, and
Churchill, in colloboration with Zionists, arranged the Lusitania to be
filled to the max with war arnaments to be used against Germany. The Germans
warned against doing this openly, but it happened anyway and Germany
torpedoed the boat. It sunk with 1,195 lives losts. The wreck has since been
found underwater filled with explosives which caused the ship to sink. But
the sinking of the Lusitania gave the Judenited States an excuse to go to
war against Germany on Britain's side for the sake of Zionists getting the
Balfour Declaration in conjunction with the British seeking a Middle East
influence. So, here we have the Germans, British, and Americans going to
war, and the Zionists just sitting in the wings watching the blood shed. But
what does one expect? A Zionist serves the God of War and of Money and of
Domination.

As for Japan bombing Pearl Harbor, little Phil forgets what the Judenited
States did. I call it that because, for one, the "Federal Reserve" which is
not a government body is owned and controlled by Jews. Jewish Rothschild
even said he didn't care what the government was as long as he could control
the money of the nation which would influence its direction. By the way,
Rothschild is a name change from a Jewish name, just like Rockefeller is.

Anyway, FDR put an embargo on Japan, and Japan tried to negotiate to stop
this embargo. This embargo was an act of war on the part of FDR, and
therefore, Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor was actually a retaliation. It was
the excuse that the Judenited States needed to go to war against Germany
because Germany and Japan had their treaties. It is known in Polish embassy
documents that FDR was looking for a European war in the early 1930's, and
the Pearl Harbor attack was the impetus to it.
~~~~~~~
I had said:
As far as I'm concerned, that little Khazarian tribe asked for what
they got. I think the fact that Germany was destroyed in two wars, not
counting the 30 Years War of which Jews infested the Catholic Church and the
Protestant movement to foment that war says plenty.
~~~~~~~
Little Phil said:

Thank you for admitting that the Nazis murdered millions of Jews. As
for your belief they deserved it, that is a matter you will one day
have to take up with someone else. The German destruction in World War
II was their own doing, as they brought a living hell to all of Europe.
~~~~~~~
Me: Now look at this, list. I never said a thing about the National
Socialists murdering millions of Jews. I said they "deserved" what they got,
and that was expulsion from Germany under the Third Reich. That is all I
meant by it. I only feel that way because of what Jews do to a nation: they
lower its moral tone, dominate everything they can get their hands on,
control whole parliaments and congresses. I am aware there are those among
them not directly involved in these things, but as long as they stick
together and think collectively, they are all complicit. Therefore, it is
always to our benefit that they are removed from our civilization to go live
somewhere just amongst themselves where they can prey on each other and
leave us alone.
~~~~~~~
I had said:
I could care less about your little Jewish persecution complex. Does
that mean I would dislike every Jew? No, but as long as they stick
together, they'll continue to go down together. I'm much more interested in
the interests of my Ayran brothers and sisters.
~~~~~~~
Little Phil:

Thereby revealing you antisemitism and your manifest ignorance of the
most basic of Christian values.
~~~~~~~
Me: I have true Shemitic blood in me, so that makes Phil an anti-Shemite. I
also have royal blood in me as well, natural and spiritual.
Phil is a Khazar from Japheth's line. He's just interloping on my turf, and
how dare he do this?
JM

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Willie: Kick these Bastards Off WILLIE PLEAS
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 10:56:48 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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Y. Kirienko wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=759
> Willie:
>
> I was kicked out of several list by Jews and their puppets. As I said
> before, they always falsely accuse and put themselves into a position
> of the judge. You yourself allow it to happen.

It is you and the "Christian" members of this group who are doing the
judging, arriving at hateful conclusions about groups of people based
on nonsense. Discussing the facts of history, which is dutifully
avoided by some members, is not judging. People are entitled to their
own opinions, but not to their own facts. It is clear you prefer to
spout your nonsense without challenge, but that does not stand reality
on its head with respect to who is actually engaging in wrongful
judgment of their fellow man.

>
> When they kicked me out they used the same argument as to keep
> them in like in this case below.  It is absolutely meaningless to
> argue with a Jew because he is interested in the advantage of
> lies for himself and does not seek the truth. Do not pay any
> attention to his "arguments" - just kick him out.

You statement about Jews reveals a mindless ignorance and lack of
respect for human beings generally. Who is doing the judging now? Your
fear of defending your lies and deceptions is not surprising. It's why
you are an almost underground fringe, secretly ashamed of your own
views, and unwilling to defend the falsehoods you wish to spread.

>
> That man acts as a typical Jewish agent and agents do not discuss
> anything - they just waste the time of their targeted people. Only a
> fool would try to prove anything to an agent. -- He simply would
> continue to repeat the same garbage all over again.

We attempt to discuss things. People like you run from that because of
the emptiness of your message and your fear it will be revealed as such.

>
> The Jews asserted the Holocaust as a fact that it is not.

False. Jews do not assert is as a fact. Historians do, virtually all of
them in fact. Even in this rather simple statement you are willing to
distort a fact to serve your own hateful purposes. It is this kind of
easy exposure that causes you to want to avoid discussion, because
objective people would begin to see through the facade you erect, a
facade built on lies and hate.

 They had
> to prove their allegation but Jews never do.

Historians have proved the Holocaust many times over. It is no more
controversial than whether the Cultural Revolution occurred in China.

 They always commit
> a crime, call it with a different name and accuse their victims of
> being anti-Semitic.

Then you should have no trouble telling us which crime Jews  committed
in Europe during WWII and tell us how that justifies the murder of 6
million. Or are you just a hit and run artist, with nothing to back up
your charges?

Their leave their babbling in the aftermath for
> the victim to disprove it to them as if they are the judges. Yet, any
> serious attempt to investigate the false allegation is punishable
> by imprisonment by the criminals of Germany impersonating
> the judges.

The misguided laws of Germany have nothing to do with the history of
the Holocaust, which has been documented by 2 generations of
historians, only a small number of whom are Germans. More distortion.
>
> They do it because once they are accused they cannot be a judge
> who control the production of evidence. That automatically means
> that an impersonator becomes guilty and goes behind the bars. For
> that reason they would never allow to bring charges against them -
> they would be repeating the same stuff all over as if they do not
> hear them.

You are lapsing into incoherence, which is not surprising given the
convoluted thinking which you have displayed.

During your rambling diatribe you've offered a dozen or more opinions
as fact, with nothing to support any of them. I can see why you wish to
stifle anyones right to comment on your nonsense.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: JM: Mathews
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 11:09:56 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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Eddie Kadach wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
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> At 06:57 AM 9/2/99 -0700, you wrote:
> >Ed Kadach wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> >original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=696
> >> At 10:03 AM 8/29/99 PDT, you wrote:
> >> >Philip Mathews said:
> >> > > You should take his advice, or your wife will really get
ripped!
> >>
> >> > > Philip Mathews
> >> > > ~~~~~~~
> >>
> >> Is this some kind of a warning or an incitement to harass my family
> >and
> >> I, Phil? Much like the ones that the Nazihunter frequently posts
to
> >> alt.revisionism.
> >
> >
> >
> >Nope. If you were a more honest person, you would admit that I
roundly
> >condemned those actions. And you would also admit that you told the
> >group at AR in a public posting announcing your departure that your
> >wife was upset with you and wanted to know what you had against Jews.
> >The getting ripped reference is to her getting angry, because your
> >hateful conduct caused disruption in her life. The Nazihunter is a
> >criminal and should be found and tried. I note that John Morris had
> >information on this fellow which he was willing to turn over to the
> >police, but you decided not to pursue it. It is difficult to stop
such
> >activity when the victims refuse to cooperate.
> >
> >Philip Mathews
>
>
> And if you were a more honest person you would admit that only on the
> first occasion that the Nazihunter posted the info on me did you
condemn
> the action.

False. How typical of you to lie. I have twice roundly condemned the
actions. The second time immediately after you told the poster to AR
that I deserved to have a cordotomy performed on me. Wrong as usual Mr.
Kadach.

 Since then, over the last half dozen times or so that it has
> re-occurred you have been very silent. I checked the archives just to
be
> certain.

That's true, I don't feel the necessity of going on the record
everytime your phone number is posted on AR

 >However, I can't vouch for the accuracy of the archive search.
> In regards to my wife, if you check the archives, I posted her more
> recent views on the jews. I do not deny that she was upset at me at
> one time due to the property damage we incurred and the rash of phone
> calls we received and continue to receive.

And I particularly condemned the escalation of the harrassment to
include your family. In fact I wrote:

(begin quote)

Last September, in what was my first month in AR, Ed Kadach's phone
number was posted in what I thought was a frightening act of
intimidation.  I condemned the act and, in my newbie naivte, urged the
group to speak out on it.  A few did and I had an interesting exchange
with, I believe, Andrew Mathis.

I didn't know Kadach at the time, having seen only a couple of posts of
his.  In the months since, the full extent of his vile and hateful
views of numerous groups has given me a better understanding of why
more people didn't address the act at the time.  It is difficult to get
beyond the kind of powerful animus someone with his views engenders.

In my dealings with Kadach I have given at least as good as I got.  And
I knew my comments hit the intended mark when he recently gave me the
distinction of being the only person mentioned by name in his
despicable post on  cervical cordotomies. He clearly doesn't think much
of me, and the feeling is returned with more than equal force.

But forcing Ed Kadach off this group by intimidation is wrong.  It's
wrong to call his home.  It's even more egregious to involve his loved
ones.  He has the right to give voice to his views, however ignorant
and hateful.  I want those kinds of views aired in the public square,
where fools like me, with apparently nothing better to do, can
vigorously challenge and refute them.

It's ironic that this should occur at the very time that Doc Tony and
Gord are discussing speech rights.  I'm not sure yet where I come out
between them.  I support the broadest possible exercise of individual
rights, but I also believe that those rights can't be absolute in their
expression, if only because so many people avail themselves of so many
rights that conflicts are inevitable.  Doc's concern about where to
draw the line is a serious one.  But with absolutely no limits on
freedoms, the practical ability to enjoy them wouldn't exist.

Certainly this is not the case with Kadach.  I would be shocked if
anyone in this group felt his actions exceeded even a somewhat narrow
definition of free speech rights.  We need to condemn this activity in
no uncertain terms.  I wish Mr. Kadach's family well.

(end quote)

> In regards to the police, I stated right from the start that the
police
> were notified and still are involved. John Morris, one of Edmonton's
> resident Zionists insists he has information but has set forth certain
> criteria that he wants met before he hands anything over.

The criteria is that he will provided the information only directly to
the police. Have you acccepted that stipulation?

 Why doesn't
> he just hand it over as a good citizen should, keeping in mind that
the
> Nazihunter as you have stated is a criminal?

Addressed above.
>
> Now, of all the Nazihunter's posts inciting people to harass my
family
> and I, where was your condemnation over this recent posting of his?

I am on the record on more than one occasion, the most recent being in
March of this year. My support of free speech rights are real. Yours
are suspect. If this activity was happening to a Jew, you and your
fellow travelers would probably say they deserved it, just like they
deserved the Holocaust.



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Subject: [13texan] Re: "Hate and Intolerance"
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 11:31:12 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

Savage wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=762
> Hi ALL!
> > >
> > > > > Philip, the "Care Bear" said:
> > > > > What right do you have to defined who his enemies are? People
> > should
> > > > > worry about their own relationships with God, rather than the
> > > > fostering of
> > > > > hate and intolerance.
> > > > >
> > > > > Philip Mathews
> > >
> > >
> > > The Bible is very clear as to the enemies of
> > > Christ Jesus....
> > >
> > > "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of
> > > darkness, but rather reprove[expose] them". (Eph 5:11)
> >
> > Believing that this description fits Jews, merely because they are
> > Jews, is mindless racism, unworthy of anyone who claims to follow
God's
> > word.
>
> Did I say that was what that passage said....No I didn't...
> Did you give any Scriptures for your unabridged criticism...
> no you didn't....and your inadequate attempt at building
> a strawman is almost laughable....

Please, who do you think your fooling. And I don't attempt to use
scripture to support by views, there is too much of that by people who
feel the need to buttress hateful views with the cloak of the Lord.

>
> In the above passage the words fellowship and reprove as
> found in the Greek are in the Present tense - active voice
> and imerative mood...The imperative mood expresses a command
> to the hearer to perform an action by the authority of the one
> commanding....this isn't an invitation or a "Gee, I wish
> you would do this"...but an absolute command requiring full
> obedience....
> >
> > (snip the lies of a well known forgery)
> >
> A forgery?....Hummm...means there has to be an
> original somewhere...doesn't it?

Which is irrelevant to its value.

>
> It is also a very easy way out..so as not to have
> to deal with the material....
>
> Please....by all means document your unfounded accusation...
> Until you do I am going to keep putting it in...
>
> Rabbi Reichhorn said in his "Funeral Oration for Grand
> Rabbi Simon-ben-Ihuda"...which was published in the La
> Vielle France, on March 10, 1921....and again in Libre
> Parole, November 27, 1933....
>
> "Every hundred years, We, the sages of Israel, have been
> accustomed to meet in Sanhedrinin in order to examine our
> progress towards the domination of the world which Jehovah
> has promised us, and our conquests over the enemy, Christianity...
>
> (Notice the rabbi says that Christians are his enemy....does
> not this make Jews/Judaism the Christian's enemy?....or is
> this a one way street?)
>
> For ages past the sons of Israel[jews], despised and persecuted,
> have been working to open up a path to power. They are hitting
> the mark. They control the economic life of the accursed
> Christians; their influence preponderates over politics and over
> manners.
>
> "accursed Christians...."!?
> (ever looked up the definition of accursed??)
>
>
>
> > > And you call me these things....not knowing what these people
> > > are saying OR what the Bible is saying!
> >
> > You've just proven your own racism. Even if this passage were real,
(it
> > isn't) it represents the words of one man. To cite it as
justification
> > for condemning a whole people is the essence of racism. I would
hardly
> > form my opinion of all Christians by the words of any one, or even
the
> > entire group of this list. But then, I'm not a hater.
> >
>
> No it doesn't represent the words of one man...It represents
> the words of Judaism as a whole...

False. No more than your woods represents Christianity.

>
> "The people of God[Jews] cooperate with atheists; the most
> skillful accumulators of property ally themselves with
> communists; the peculiar and chosen race touch the hand of
> all the scum and low casts in Europe!

Atheists have rights on this earth and all religions cooperate with
them in daily life as they should.

 And all this because
> they wish to destroy that ungrateful Christendom...whose
> tyranny they can no longer endure."

More lies.

>
> These people are antichrists....and you say I am a
> hater because I expose them?

You haven't shown them to be any such thing. You've only shown your
mindless hatred, which you spew forth with a combination of lies,
distortions, ignorance, and the desire to smear a whole people on this
basis.

>
> > >
> > > All you do is parrot what they want you too!
> >
> > Nonsense. It is you who parrot antisemitic crap from know nothing
> > authors and websites and pretend its learning.
>
> antisemetic?....mind telling me what antisemetic means...

Hating Jews. Ever heard of a dictionary?

>
> And I suppose that you have a list of know everything
> authors that give superior knowledge...(This ought to be good)

There are no know everything authors. But you would do better to pick
some who know  something.

> > > Now finish reading what this poor, persecuted, mis-understood,
> > > antichrist rabbi has in store for you....
> > >
> > > At the wished-for hour, fixed in advance, we shall let loose the
> > > Revolution which by ruining all classes of Christianity will
> > > definitely enslave the Christian to us."
> > >
> > > Now what if I came out in the newspaper and on TV and said...
> > > "I can't wait for our pre-arranged plan that is going to ruin
> > > all classes of Judaism....and not only that...in so doing it
> > > will enslave the Jew to us Christians for ever!"
> >
> > Then I would say, look at that crackpot. I wouldn't say, those
filthy
> > Christians, they get whatever they deserve, even a Holocaust, and
the
> > Lord should punish them. Even you should be able to see the
difference.
> >
> Where are you getting your knowledge to make this JUDGMENT?
> And why don't you make the same judgment on the antichrists?

Because making a judgment on a single person is not the same as a
judgment on a whole people, just because they belong to that set of
people. Maybe I gave you too much credit. You're so blinded by hate you
really don't get it!
>
> > >
> > > Chief Rabbi Stephen S. Wise said in a letter to Jennie and Leo
> > > Waterman....who were a sister and brother to Louise Waterman
Wise...
> > > Taken from the book "Stephan S. Wise: Servant of the People,
Selected
> > > Letters, Edited by Carl Herman Voss", Philadelphia: The Jewish
> > > Publication Society of America, 1969; p. 19
> > >
> > > "I took up the challenge and told why I reject the Divine
> > > Messiahship of Jesus, without any attempts at concealment
> > > of my attitude towards the idolatrous features of orthodox
> > > Christianity....".
> > >
> > > Did this rabbi deny Jesus as the Son of God?....According to
> > > the Bible is he not an antichrist and one who does not have
> > > the Father? (1John 2:22-23)
> >
> > No more than every Muslim, Bhuddist, Hindu and many other religious
> > believers in the world. And yet you choose to focus on Jews alone,
> > which tells us much about you and the hate which fills your heart
and
> > will destroy your relationship with the Lord. It is for the Lord to
> > judge these matters, not you.
> >
> Tells us!?....who are "us"?

The public audience of this group, who else. Or are you going to go
conspiratorial on us.
>
> Now if you direct me to the Scriptures concerning the Muslim,
> Bhuddist, Hindu, etc. I would be more than happy to oblige...

Why, you didn't direct us to any Scripture on Jews? What you should be
happy to do is repent and change your ways.

> because the word of God says to expose the evil deeds of
> darkness...which is something you do not want to do...it's
> called fear....

God did not make you judge and you should worry about your own evil
deeds.
>
>
>  >
> > > Do you suppose this rabbi taught what he believed?....or do
> > > you think he kept it all to himself?
> >
> > It's his religion, and if he teaches that, he teaches nothing as
> > poisonous as what you market.
> >
>
> To deny Jesus Christ as the Son of God isn't "poisonous"?!...
> but to expose those who deny Him is?...

To set yourself up as God is wrong, and there is nothing to expose,
since all religions are not required to believe what you believe. Worry
about your own salvation. You don't enhance your chances by hating
others.

>
> All I am doing is trying to expose their God hating
> practices....of course it is okay as far as you are
> concerned...for them to hate my Saviour...the Lord
> Jesus Christ....just as long as no one offends one
> of the God haters...

People who have different views from your's are not God haters. Look to
yourself, and stop hating as you do. Their views of your God are
irrelevant, just as are your views of their's.

>
> "He that is not with me is against me; and he that
> gathereth not with me scattereth". Luke 11:23
>
> "And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not; for he that is
> not against us is for us". Luke 9:50

And Jews are not against you, therefore forbid them not!

>
> > You post this forgery and selected bits of individuals opinions of
> > their own religious beliefs as if they somehow justify your blind,
> > mindless hate. It doesn't. Other religions have the right to
practice
> > as they see fit. Your lies about Judaism reflect poorly on you, but
> > unlike you, I would not say it reflects poorly on your religion.
> >

> I've given my two or three witnesses....
>
> Are these the lies you are referring too....the rest of
> this post are the Scriptures you cut out of the first
> post because YOU CAN NOT AND WILL NOT DEAL WITH THEM!

One can find passages in scripture to support many things. The devil is
expert at it. There is no support in the Bible for your hatred, because
it is mindless and uncharitable. The way you practice Christianity is a
profanation in my opinion, and you would do well to look to yourself as
requiring much work to honor God.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Intolerance?
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 11:34:55 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Savage wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=763
> Hi all!
>  jsavage wrote:
> >
> > philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=746
> > > philnancy@aol.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Charles wrote:
> > > >
> > > > philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> > > > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=719
> > > > > Christians aren't told they have to tolerate anything
> > > > > Christ said occupy untill I return... Luke 18:13 Jesus
> > > > > also said "LUK 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would
> > > > > not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay
> > > > > them before me."
> > > > >
> > > > > nuff said!
> > > >
> > > > Nonsense. Jesus thought of enemies as individuals whose actions
> > > > revealed themselves to be so. This has nothing to do with
mindless
> > > > categorizatons of entire peoples bases exclusively on their
> > belonging
> > > > to the group. Christ and his teachings do not support your hate.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Hummmmm...John 8:44 is not thought of by Jesus
> > > as individuals....neither is Matthew 23:27....
> > > neither is Matthew 7:21-24...or Luke 19:27
> >
> > These have nothing to do with what we are talking about.
>
> Why not?

Read them.
>
> >
> > >
> > > In John 8:44 Jesus didn't say..Ye are of your
> > > father the devil, and the lusts of your father
> > > ye will do. EXCEPT most of you are okay....
> >
> > This is not a categorization of all people based on who they are,
> > rather than what they do. What kind of Christian are you, condemning
> > groups rather that individuals?
>
> OH!...who is Jesus Christ speaking to in John 8:44? I always
> thought the context was found in vs 48....Would you show me
> the correct context....

Why don't you answer your own question?
>
>
>
> >
> > >
> > > He did NOT say that at all...Of course maybe we
> > > would rather not read those passages because we
> > > can't answer them....
> >
> > Why should your misinterpretation of them be answered?
>
> Then you give me the correct interpretation of those passages.
> I am always willing to learn...

Better you should give us yours, you cited them.
>
>
> You are a
> > disgrace to your professed religion, which explains why you are an
> > outcast from mainstream religion.
>
> When one can not deal with the subject matter they
> always turn on the person and try to discredit them...
>

That would be your technique, only you apply to whole groups of people.
>
>
> > You better hope the judgment rendered
> > upon you is more just and Christian spirited than what you visit on
> > innocent people.
> >
>
> "innocent people"?....such as??

Jews
>
> I already know the judgment that will be rendered upon me!

Nonsense.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Willie
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 11:37:45 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Ramon wrote:

Ramon, the word is principle.

Philip Mathews

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=765
> Wille,
>        Please do not be offended at our moving to the one list... WE
still
> want you to run it ! PLEASE continue your work , just don't let those
who
> would stop you do so ...through any means ,including sidelining you
through
> contentious actions.
>
> Your Brother as always ,
> Ramon
>
> Thought for the Day:
>
> "The Compromise of principals for peace results in SLAVERY"
>
> R. Sparks

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Subject: [13texan] Re: History/My Turf
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 11:58:45 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

JM wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=769
> I had said:
> Me: The Jew-infested Weimar Republic was strangling Germany and
> imposed gun control. Zionists are the ones who arranged the U.S. to
go to
> war against Germany on Britain's side in exchange for the Balfour
> Declaration. Benjamin Freedman exposed that.
> ~~~~~~~
> Little Phil said:
>
> You really should learn some history. A half million Jews did not have
> that kind of power in Weimar. And the U.S. entered into a war with
> Japan because we were attacked at Pearl Harbor. Hitler responded by
> declaring war on the United States. Don't you think you bear any
> responsibility to be accurate about basic historical facts?
> ~~~~~~~
> Me: I haven't had the chance yet to send Phil's stuff to trash yet,
but
> after this, I'm directing it all there. For the sake of the list, and
of
> historical accuracy, I will answer this barbarian's question:

In other words, having recognized that you've gotten in way over your
head, you will attempt a graceful retreat.

>
> The Jews are a tribe who think in terms of collective interests. They
are
> the ones who flooded Germany with filth, prostitution, and the like.
The
> Weimar Republic was full of Jews.

Unsupported nonsense. There were 500,000 Jews in Germany, most had been
their for 400 years and made a great contribution to the culture.

 FDR, as Under Secretary of the Navy, and
> Churchill, in colloboration with Zionists, arranged the Lusitania to
be
> filled to the max with war arnaments to be used against Germany. The
Germans
> warned against doing this openly, but it happened anyway and Germany
> torpedoed the boat. It sunk with 1,195 lives losts. The wreck has
since been
> found underwater filled with explosives which caused the ship to
sink. But
> the sinking of the Lusitania gave the Judenited States an excuse to
go to
> war against Germany on Britain's side for the sake of Zionists
getting the
> Balfour Declaration in conjunction with the British seeking a Middle
East
> influence.

All lies. You can cite no evidence for your charge on the Luisitania,
just hysterical allegations. FDR in his position would have had no
power to make such decisions in any event. Balfour and Jews had nothing
to do with our entry into WWI and interestingly enough, you offer no
evidence of that connection. Except of course unless your trying to
make people believe the old canard about Roosevelt being Jewish! You're
not that out of it, are you?

 So, here we have the Germans, British, and Americans going to
> war, and the Zionists just sitting in the wings watching the blood
shed. But
> what does one expect? A Zionist serves the God of War and of Money
and of
> Domination.

You shown no connection to Zionists, but by all means smear away hater.

>
> As for Japan bombing Pearl Harbor, little Phil forgets what the
Judenited
> States did. I call it that because, for one, the "Federal Reserve"
which is
> not a government body is owned and controlled by Jews.

Another lie. But once you go down that road, you must continue.

 Jewish Rothschild
> even said he didn't care what the government was as long as he could
control
> the money of the nation which would influence its direction.

He had nothing to do with the Federal Reserve. I assume your going to
return to Pearly Harbor and the Japanese attack sometime this week!

 By the way,
> Rothschild is a name change from a Jewish name, just like Rockefeller
is.

I knew it! The Rockefeller family is not Jewish.

>
> Anyway, FDR put an embargo on Japan, and Japan tried to negotiate to
stop
> this embargo. This embargo was an act of war on the part of FDR, and
> therefore, Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor was actually a retaliation.

It was not an act of war, and was never described by the Japanese as
such. You're merely trying desperately to find an excuse for Japan's
attack on the U.S. Japan started war with the U.S.

It was
> the excuse that the Judenited States needed to go to war against
Germany
> because Germany and Japan had their treaties.

Nonsense. The trade issues you reference were in place some time before
the war started in Europe. It had nothing to do with the European
situation.

It is known in Polish embassy
> documents that FDR was looking for a European war in the early
1930's, and
> the Pearl Harbor attack was the impetus to it.

Unsupported nonsense. There is no such Polish  document, or you could
refer to it.

> ~~~~~~~
> I had said:
> As far as I'm concerned, that little Khazarian tribe asked for what
> they got. I think the fact that Germany was destroyed in two wars, not
> counting the 30 Years War of which Jews infested the Catholic Church
and the
> Protestant movement to foment that war says plenty.
> ~~~~~~~

>
> Thank you for admitting that the Nazis murdered millions of Jews. As
> for your belief they deserved it, that is a matter you will one day
> have to take up with someone else. The German destruction in World War
> II was their own doing, as they brought a living hell to all of
Europe.
> ~~~~~~~
> Me: Now look at this, list. I never said a thing about the National
> Socialists murdering millions of Jews. I said they "deserved" what
they got,
> and that was expulsion from Germany under the Third Reich. That is
all I
> meant by it. I only feel that way because of what Jews do to a
nation: they
> lower its moral tone, dominate everything they can get their hands
on,
> control whole parliaments and congresses.

What an insecure hater you are! Jews enriched Germany substantially. A
group of race hating madmen tried to wipe them out and ruined Germany
in the process. The Holocaust involved all European Jews, with only a
tiny percentage of them being Germans. What happened to the 6 million
missing European Jews?

 I am aware there are those among
> them not directly involved in these things, but as long as they stick
> together and think collectively, they are all complicit.

They think no more collectively than any other defined group of people
who have had to endure centuries of hatred from people like you.

 Therefore, it is
> always to our benefit that they are removed from our civilization to
go live
> somewhere just amongst themselves where they can prey on each other
and
> leave us alone.

It is to the benefit of haters and those who envy success of other
cultures.

>> I could care less about your little Jewish persecution complex. Does
> >that mean I would dislike every Jew? No, but as long as they stick
>> together, they'll continue to go down together. I'm much more
interested in
> >the interests of my Ayran brothers and sisters.
> ~~~~~~~

>
> Thereby revealing you antisemitism and your manifest ignorance of the
> most basic of Christian values.
> ~~~~~~~
> Me: I have true Shemitic blood in me, so that makes Phil an
anti-Shemite.

Typical moronic reply. All human's have the same blood. It all came
from the hand of the same Lord.

 I
> also have royal blood in me as well, natural and spiritual.

Whatever that means!

> Phil is a Khazar from Japheth's line. He's just interloping on my
turf, and
> how dare he do this?

JM likes to spout mindless doctrine of a fringe group of Christians who
no little of Biblical history and swallow this Khazar nonsense because
it satisfies a deep psychological need which typifies people who think
this way.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Willie: Kick these Bastards Off WILLIE PLEAS
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:30:13 -0700
From: "Yuriy Kirienko" 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: <13texan@egroups.com>

Philnancy:

Do not bother to write me an answer. I would rather talk
to a parrot than a Jew.  You are incapable of anything but
false accusations of what you yourself are or do. Do not
waste your time for I would erase your messages without
reading. Your garbage has no credit with me.

Jews did that all their history and for his constant false
accusations devil was thrown out of heaven. That message
below has no substance and is another bout of idiotic
Jewish lies and false accusations.

Willie, kick him out because he and his "opinions" are
devoid of meaning and substance. They are worthless
waste of time to read.

Yuriy Kirienko

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From: philnancy@aol.com [mailto:philnancy@aol.com]
Sent: September 03, 1999 10:57
To: 13texan@egroups.com
Subject: [13texan] Re: Willie: Kick these Bastards Off WILLIE PLEAS

Y. Kirienko wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=759
> Willie:
>
> I was kicked out of several list by Jews and their puppets. As I said
> before, they always falsely accuse and put themselves into a position
> of the judge. You yourself allow it to happen.

It is you and the "Christian" members of this group who are doing the
judging, arriving at hateful conclusions about groups of people based
on nonsense. Discussing the facts of history, which is dutifully
avoided by some members, is not judging. People are entitled to their
own opinions, but not to their own facts. It is clear you prefer to
spout your nonsense without challenge, but that does not stand reality
on its head with respect to who is actually engaging in wrongful
judgment of their fellow man.

>
> When they kicked me out they used the same argument as to keep
> them in like in this case below.  It is absolutely meaningless to
> argue with a Jew because he is interested in the advantage of
> lies for himself and does not seek the truth. Do not pay any
> attention to his "arguments" - just kick him out.

You statement about Jews reveals a mindless ignorance and lack of
respect for human beings generally. Who is doing the judging now? Your
fear of defending your lies and deceptions is not surprising. It's why
you are an almost underground fringe, secretly ashamed of your own
views, and unwilling to defend the falsehoods you wish to spread.

>
> That man acts as a typical Jewish agent and agents do not discuss
> anything - they just waste the time of their targeted people. Only a
> fool would try to prove anything to an agent. -- He simply would
> continue to repeat the same garbage all over again.

We attempt to discuss things. People like you run from that because of
the emptiness of your message and your fear it will be revealed as such.

>
> The Jews asserted the Holocaust as a fact that it is not.

False. Jews do not assert is as a fact. Historians do, virtually all of
them in fact. Even in this rather simple statement you are willing to
distort a fact to serve your own hateful purposes. It is this kind of
easy exposure that causes you to want to avoid discussion, because
objective people would begin to see through the facade you erect, a
facade built on lies and hate.

 They had
> to prove their allegation but Jews never do.

Historians have proved the Holocaust many times over. It is no more
controversial than whether the Cultural Revolution occurred in China.

 They always commit
> a crime, call it with a different name and accuse their victims of
> being anti-Semitic.

Then you should have no trouble telling us which crime Jews  committed
in Europe during WWII and tell us how that justifies the murder of 6
million. Or are you just a hit and run artist, with nothing to back up
your charges?

Their leave their babbling in the aftermath for
> the victim to disprove it to them as if they are the judges. Yet, any
> serious attempt to investigate the false allegation is punishable
> by imprisonment by the criminals of Germany impersonating
> the judges.

The misguided laws of Germany have nothing to do with the history of
the Holocaust, which has been documented by 2 generations of
historians, only a small number of whom are Germans. More distortion.
>
> They do it because once they are accused they cannot be a judge
> who control the production of evidence. That automatically means
> that an impersonator becomes guilty and goes behind the bars. For
> that reason they would never allow to bring charges against them -
> they would be repeating the same stuff all over as if they do not
> hear them.

You are lapsing into incoherence, which is not surprising given the
convoluted thinking which you have displayed.

During your rambling diatribe you've offered a dozen or more opinions
as fact, with nothing to support any of them. I can see why you wish to
stifle anyones right to comment on your nonsense.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: The List
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 17:12:45 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

David Griffin wrote:

> Excellent advice, Andy....couldn't have said it better myself....Gorman and
> Mathews are Jew pigs...No doubt about it...They are enemies of Christ and
> have nothing to offer us.

Interesting. A polite discussion of history, in a group formally identified by
its creator as a "history discussion group," results in personal insults.

Perhaps it is easier to resort to ad hominem than it is to deal with succinct
questions about history... it is more embarrassing, of course, because it
reveals those who avoid responding to polite questions as something other than
seekers of historical knowledge.

I am not Jewish. I do not even know any people who are Jewish. I am simply one
citizen who is not content to accept pronouncements about history which are so
patently false, as are those made here by many, including you, David.

I'm ok with your inability to deal with open discussion, as long as you are.
People can watch you run and draw their own conclusions.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Willie: Kick these Bastards Off WILLIE PLEAS
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 18:06:25 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Y. Kurienko wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=776
> Philnancy:
>
> Do not bother to write me an answer. I would rather talk
> to a parrot than a Jew.

I don't have the slightest concern what you would rather.

 You are incapable of anything but
> false accusations of what you yourself are or do.

You are describing yourself, as has been shown.

> Do not
> waste your time for I would erase your messages without
> reading. Your garbage has no credit with me.

Of course, because you are incapable of dealing with having your
nonsense rebutted. It demonstrates the shallowness of your beliefs.

>
> Jews did that all their history and for his constant false
> accusations devil was thrown out of heaven.

More idiotic nonsense. Stop hiding beyond God to justify your mindless
hatred. You may delude yourself, but He knows what you are.

 That message
> below has no substance and is another bout of idiotic
> Jewish lies and false accusations.

Sure, that's why you are unable to deal with it.
>
> Willie, kick him out because he and his "opinions" are
> devoid of meaning and substance. They are worthless
> waste of time to read.

In other words, protect me Willie, he's got me pegged and I don't know
how to answer!  How typical of lying antisemites.

Philip Mathews

>
> Yuriy Kirienko
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: philnancy@aol.com [mailto:philnancy@aol.com]
> Sent: September 03, 1999 10:57
> To: 13texan@egroups.com
> Subject: [13texan] Re: Willie: Kick these Bastards Off WILLIE PLEAS
>
>
> Y. Kirienko wrote:
>
> philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=759
> > Willie:
> >
> > I was kicked out of several list by Jews and their puppets. As I
said
> > before, they always falsely accuse and put themselves into a
position
> > of the judge. You yourself allow it to happen.
>
> It is you and the "Christian" members of this group who are doing the
> judging, arriving at hateful conclusions about groups of people based
> on nonsense. Discussing the facts of history, which is dutifully
> avoided by some members, is not judging. People are entitled to their
> own opinions, but not to their own facts. It is clear you prefer to
> spout your nonsense without challenge, but that does not stand reality
> on its head with respect to who is actually engaging in wrongful
> judgment of their fellow man.
>
>
>
>
> >
> > When they kicked me out they used the same argument as to keep
> > them in like in this case below.  It is absolutely meaningless to
> > argue with a Jew because he is interested in the advantage of
> > lies for himself and does not seek the truth. Do not pay any
> > attention to his "arguments" - just kick him out.
>
> You statement about Jews reveals a mindless ignorance and lack of
> respect for human beings generally. Who is doing the judging now? Your
> fear of defending your lies and deceptions is not surprising. It's why
> you are an almost underground fringe, secretly ashamed of your own
> views, and unwilling to defend the falsehoods you wish to spread.
>
>
> >
> > That man acts as a typical Jewish agent and agents do not discuss
> > anything - they just waste the time of their targeted people. Only a
> > fool would try to prove anything to an agent. -- He simply would
> > continue to repeat the same garbage all over again.
>
> We attempt to discuss things. People like you run from that because of
> the emptiness of your message and your fear it will be revealed as
such.
>
>
> >
> > The Jews asserted the Holocaust as a fact that it is not.
>
> False. Jews do not assert is as a fact. Historians do, virtually all
of
> them in fact. Even in this rather simple statement you are willing to
> distort a fact to serve your own hateful purposes. It is this kind of
> easy exposure that causes you to want to avoid discussion, because
> objective people would begin to see through the facade you erect, a
> facade built on lies and hate.
>
>
>
>
>  They had
> > to prove their allegation but Jews never do.
>
> Historians have proved the Holocaust many times over. It is no more
> controversial than whether the Cultural Revolution occurred in China.
>
>  They always commit
> > a crime, call it with a different name and accuse their victims of
> > being anti-Semitic.
>
> Then you should have no trouble telling us which crime Jews  committed
> in Europe during WWII and tell us how that justifies the murder of 6
> million. Or are you just a hit and run artist, with nothing to back up
> your charges?
>
>
> Their leave their babbling in the aftermath for
> > the victim to disprove it to them as if they are the judges. Yet,
any
> > serious attempt to investigate the false allegation is punishable
> > by imprisonment by the criminals of Germany impersonating
> > the judges.
>
> The misguided laws of Germany have nothing to do with the history of
> the Holocaust, which has been documented by 2 generations of
> historians, only a small number of whom are Germans. More distortion.
> >
> > They do it because once they are accused they cannot be a judge
> > who control the production of evidence. That automatically means
> > that an impersonator becomes guilty and goes behind the bars. For
> > that reason they would never allow to bring charges against them -
> > they would be repeating the same stuff all over as if they do not
> > hear them.
>
> You are lapsing into incoherence, which is not surprising given the
> convoluted thinking which you have displayed.
>
>
> During your rambling diatribe you've offered a dozen or more opinions
> as fact, with nothing to support any of them. I can see why you wish
to
> stifle anyones right to comment on your nonsense.
>
> Philip Mathews
>
>

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Willie: Kick these Bastards Off WILLIE PLEAS
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 18:46:13 -0700
From: reiver@tca.net
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

reive-@tca.net wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=770
> Y. Kirienko wrote:
>
> philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=759
> > Willie:
> >
> > I was kicked out of several list by Jews and their puppets. As I
said
> > before, they always falsely accuse and put themselves into a
position
> > of the judge. You yourself allow it to happen.
>
> It is you and the "Christian" members of this group who are doing the
> judging, arriving at hateful conclusions about groups of people based
> on nonsense.

REIV: And Androgyne is NOT judging? Just look at the foregoing
sentence: You are only a "Christian" when Andro has determined and
declared that you are not a Christian.

> Discussing the facts of history, which is dutifully
> avoided by some members, is not judging. People are entitled to their
> own opinions, but not to their own facts.

REIV: Then Andro is not entitled to it's own facts, which is very
convenient,
and is likely the reason that the majority of it's posts contain
primarily  pronouncements of "truth" which are little more than
uninformed opinion. Requests for evidence from opponents are frequent,
and serve only to distract.

I will not parse the remainder of Andro's post, but will leave it
intact for any who care to examine it and thereby determine just who is
being judgemental here.  It is obvious, and one can only conclude that
Andro is a fraud.

Andro is not here to save anybody, or to promote anything good.
Disruption is the only purpose in life for such creatures.  Shall we
concede defeat, by abandoning this list and fleeing to another?  Or
should we further our goals by using Andro as an example?  You know -
that's what is being done against this list.

All these posts are archived on this website.  Andro has given us
plenty of ammunition to use against the enemy.  We have generated
plenty enough for our enemies by consistently responding to Andro's
posts.  We should ignore them.

The psychology of our enemy's argumentation is exemplified by Andro's
style, and we should learn this and pass it on to others, rather than
allow ourselves to be baited and toyed with. When we allow them to goad
us, they gloat all over the place.  We need to be wise as serpents.

The encroaching police state; the NWO - whatever you want to call it -
is all the proof we need that our enemies are liars, and cannot enforce
their beliefs except by tyranny.  In spite of Andro's bullshit to the
contrary, Andro wants to see you destroyed.

Ignore these creatures.  They are wasting your time.

Reiv



> It is clear you prefer to
> spout your nonsense without challenge, but that does not stand reality
> on its head with respect to who is actually engaging in wrongful
> judgment of their fellow man.
>
>
>
>
> >
> > When they kicked me out they used the same argument as to keep
> > them in like in this case below.  It is absolutely meaningless to
> > argue with a Jew because he is interested in the advantage of
> > lies for himself and does not seek the truth. Do not pay any
> > attention to his "arguments" - just kick him out.
>
> You statement about Jews reveals a mindless ignorance and lack of
> respect for human beings generally. Who is doing the judging now? Your
> fear of defending your lies and deceptions is not surprising. It's why
> you are an almost underground fringe, secretly ashamed of your own
> views, and unwilling to defend the falsehoods you wish to spread.
>
>
> >
> > That man acts as a typical Jewish agent and agents do not discuss
> > anything - they just waste the time of their targeted people. Only a
> > fool would try to prove anything to an agent. -- He simply would
> > continue to repeat the same garbage all over again.
>
> We attempt to discuss things. People like you run from that because of
> the emptiness of your message and your fear it will be revealed as
such.
>
>
> >
> > The Jews asserted the Holocaust as a fact that it is not.
>
> False. Jews do not assert is as a fact. Historians do, virtually all
of
> them in fact. Even in this rather simple statement you are willing to
> distort a fact to serve your own hateful purposes. It is this kind of
> easy exposure that causes you to want to avoid discussion, because
> objective people would begin to see through the facade you erect, a
> facade built on lies and hate.
>
>
>
>
>  They had
> > to prove their allegation but Jews never do.
>
> Historians have proved the Holocaust many times over. It is no more
> controversial than whether the Cultural Revolution occurred in China.
>
>  They always commit
> > a crime, call it with a different name and accuse their victims of
> > being anti-Semitic.
>
> Then you should have no trouble telling us which crime Jews  committed
> in Europe during WWII and tell us how that justifies the murder of 6
> million. Or are you just a hit and run artist, with nothing to back up
> your charges?
>
>
> Their leave their babbling in the aftermath for
> > the victim to disprove it to them as if they are the judges. Yet,
any
> > serious attempt to investigate the false allegation is punishable
> > by imprisonment by the criminals of Germany impersonating
> > the judges.
>
> The misguided laws of Germany have nothing to do with the history of
> the Holocaust, which has been documented by 2 generations of
> historians, only a small number of whom are Germans. More distortion.
> >
> > They do it because once they are accused they cannot be a judge
> > who control the production of evidence. That automatically means
> > that an impersonator becomes guilty and goes behind the bars. For
> > that reason they would never allow to bring charges against them -
> > they would be repeating the same stuff all over as if they do not
> > hear them.
>
> You are lapsing into incoherence, which is not surprising given the
> convoluted thinking which you have displayed.
>
>
> During your rambling diatribe you've offered a dozen or more opinions
> as fact, with nothing to support any of them. I can see why you wish
to
> stifle anyones right to comment on your nonsense.
>
> Philip Mathews
>

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Willie: Kick these Bastards Off WILLIE PLEAS
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 19:27:25 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=779
> reive-@tca.net wrote:
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=770
> > Y. Kirienko wrote:
> >
> > philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=759
> > > Willie:
> > >
> > > I was kicked out of several list by Jews and their puppets. As I
> said
> > > before, they always falsely accuse and put themselves into a
> position
> > > of the judge. You yourself allow it to happen.
> >
> > It is you and the "Christian" members of this group who are doing
the
> > judging, arriving at hateful conclusions about groups of people
based
> > on nonsense.
>
> REIV: And Androgyne is NOT judging? Just look at the foregoing
> sentence: You are only a "Christian" when Andro has determined and
> declared that you are not a Christian.

Come, come, your intelligent enough to make distinctions aren't you?
Judging entire groups of people, based exclusively on their belonging
to those groups, is not the same as judging individuals, based on their
conduct. The hate and lies of the poster are demonstrable, unlike the
lies told about Jews as a group.

>
> > Discussing the facts of history, which is dutifully
> > avoided by some members, is not judging. People are entitled to
their
> > own opinions, but not to their own facts.
>
>
> REIV: Then Andro is not entitled to it's own facts, which is very
> convenient,
> and is likely the reason that the majority of it's posts contain
> primarily  pronouncements of "truth" which are little more than
> uninformed opinion.

No, that silly statement is an example of that.  So Andro exhibits it
knows little about what it speaks.

 Requests for evidence from opponents are frequent,
> and serve only to distract.

HEHEHE. Sure, asking you to support outrageous, hateful lies is
terribly inconvenient. You'd rather spout nonsense without challenge.
Tough.

>
> I will not parse the remainder of Andro's post, but will leave it
> intact for any who care to examine it and thereby determine just who
is
> being judgemental here.  It is obvious, and one can only conclude that
> Andro is a fraud.

One can only conclude poor reading comprehension and childish
argumentation to riev, who has contributed nothing to the discussion. I
suppose you call yourself a Christian as well?

>
> Andro is not here to save anybody, or to promote anything good.

Unsupported assertion. I'm here to discuss history, but you and yours
are here to smear and malign Jews because you are filled with hate.

> Disruption is the only purpose in life for such creatures.  Shall we
> concede defeat, by abandoning this list and fleeing to another?  Or
> should we further our goals by using Andro as an example?  You know -
> that's what is being done against this list.

You and others are afraid to discuss history, which is the topic of
this list. The only example that is being made is that fact.

>
> All these posts are archived on this website.  Andro has given us
> plenty of ammunition to use against the enemy.  We have generated
> plenty enough for our enemies by consistently responding to Andro's
> posts.  We should ignore them.

There you go again, seeing enemies everywhere. Do you ever choke on all
that hate? You should ask Him for guidance, you need it.

>
> The psychology of our enemy's argumentation is exemplified by Andro's
> style, and we should learn this and pass it on to others, rather than
> allow ourselves to be baited and toyed with. When we allow them to
goad
> us, they gloat all over the place.  We need to be wise as serpents.

It is you and yours who are doing the goading. Your ability to stand
reality on its head is interesting - doomed to failure - but
interesting.

>
> The encroaching police state; the NWO - whatever you want to call it -
> is all the proof we need that our enemies are liars, and cannot
enforce
> their beliefs except by tyranny.

There is no encroaching police state; the desire of most on this group
to muzzle people they don't agree with shows you're not really
concerned with police state, but are merely using those words for
propoganda affect.

  In spite of Andro's bullshit to the
> contrary, Andro wants to see you destroyed.

You lie without shame, but He knows.

>
> Ignore these creatures.  They are wasting your time.

It is you who are wasting people's time, not to mention your
relationship with God.

Philip Mathews

> > It is clear you prefer to
> > spout your nonsense without challenge, but that does not stand
reality
> > on its head with respect to who is actually engaging in wrongful
> > judgment of their fellow man.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > When they kicked me out they used the same argument as to keep
> > > them in like in this case below.  It is absolutely meaningless to
> > > argue with a Jew because he is interested in the advantage of
> > > lies for himself and does not seek the truth. Do not pay any
> > > attention to his "arguments" - just kick him out.
> >
> > You statement about Jews reveals a mindless ignorance and lack of
> > respect for human beings generally. Who is doing the judging now?
Your
> > fear of defending your lies and deceptions is not surprising. It's
why
> > you are an almost underground fringe, secretly ashamed of your own
> > views, and unwilling to defend the falsehoods you wish to spread.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > That man acts as a typical Jewish agent and agents do not discuss
> > > anything - they just waste the time of their targeted people.
Only a
> > > fool would try to prove anything to an agent. -- He simply would
> > > continue to repeat the same garbage all over again.
> >
> > We attempt to discuss things. People like you run from that because
of
> > the emptiness of your message and your fear it will be revealed as
> such.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > The Jews asserted the Holocaust as a fact that it is not.
> >
> > False. Jews do not assert is as a fact. Historians do, virtually all
> of
> > them in fact. Even in this rather simple statement you are willing
to
> > distort a fact to serve your own hateful purposes. It is this kind
of
> > easy exposure that causes you to want to avoid discussion, because
> > objective people would begin to see through the facade you erect, a
> > facade built on lies and hate.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  They had
> > > to prove their allegation but Jews never do.
> >
> > Historians have proved the Holocaust many times over. It is no more
> > controversial than whether the Cultural Revolution occurred in
China.
> >
> >  They always commit
> > > a crime, call it with a different name and accuse their victims of
> > > being anti-Semitic.
> >
> > Then you should have no trouble telling us which crime Jews
committed
> > in Europe during WWII and tell us how that justifies the murder of 6
> > million. Or are you just a hit and run artist, with nothing to back
up
> > your charges?
> >
> >
> > Their leave their babbling in the aftermath for
> > > the victim to disprove it to them as if they are the judges. Yet,
> any
> > > serious attempt to investigate the false allegation is punishable
> > > by imprisonment by the criminals of Germany impersonating
> > > the judges.
> >
> > The misguided laws of Germany have nothing to do with the history of
> > the Holocaust, which has been documented by 2 generations of
> > historians, only a small number of whom are Germans. More
distortion.
> > >
> > > They do it because once they are accused they cannot be a judge
> > > who control the production of evidence. That automatically means
> > > that an impersonator becomes guilty and goes behind the bars. For
> > > that reason they would never allow to bring charges against them -
> > > they would be repeating the same stuff all over as if they do not
> > > hear them.
> >
> > You are lapsing into incoherence, which is not surprising given the
> > convoluted thinking which you have displayed.
> >
> >
> > During your rambling diatribe you've offered a dozen or more
opinions
> > as fact, with nothing to support any of them. I can see why you wish
> to
> > stifle anyones right to comment on your nonsense.
> >
> > Philip Mathews
> >
>

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Subject: [13texan] The Talmud
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 20:32:42 -0700
From: sneadster@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

 The following are some articles written in the Talmud
 concerning the Gentile:
 Only Jews are Human.Gentiles are animals
 (Baba Mezia 114a-114b)
 For Murder, whether of a Cuthean(Gentile) by a Cuthean,
 or of an Israelite, there is no death penalty.
 (Sanhedran 57a)
 If a heathen(Gentile) hits a Jew, the Gentile must be killed.
 Hitting a Jew is hitting God.
 (Sanhedrin 58b)
 Jews may use lies('subterfuges') to circumvent a Gentile.
 (Baba Kamma 113a)
 All Gentile children are annimals.
 (Yebamonth 98a)
 Gentiles prefer Sex with cows.
 (Abodah Zarah 22a-22b)
The Vessles of Gentiles, do they not impart a worsened
 flavor to food cooked in them? (Abodah Zorah 67b)

These are just a few of the writings of the Jew and their
holy book the Talmud. The Talmud's words are vitriolic. A
person who would read Mien Kampf and the Talmud would find
the Talmud far more intolerant.

St. John 8:13
Michael Snead
14/88

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Subject: [13texan] View of the Jews
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 21:14:50 -0700
From: sneadster@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

 One of Martin Luther's books was titled, The Jews
and Their Lies had passionate anti-Jewish tones. Here
are some of his writings in other books, sermons and
articles that he had written:
 They have taught so much deadly hatred against the
Gentiles by their parents and Rabbis since......
(Weimar 53 pages 482-483)
Their Talmud and their Rabbis teach them that a murder
shall not be regarded as a sin whenever a Jew kills a
Gentile....
(Weimar 53 pages 489-491)

"Maybe mild hearted and gentle Christians will believe
i am too rigourous and drastic against the poor,
afflicted Jews, believing that I ridicule them and treat
them with such sarcasm. By my word, I am far too weak to
be able to ridicule such a Satanic breed."
(Weimar 32,pg 286)

You should know that the Jews blaspheme and violate
the name of our Savior day for day...they are our public
enemies and incessantly blaspheme our Lord Jesus Christ,
they call our Blessed Virgin Mary a Harlot and her Holy
son a bastard and to us they give us the epithet of
Changlings and abortions. If they could kill us all they
would gladly do so, in fact many murder Christians....
Luther's last serman, a few days before his death in
February 1546.
(Erlanger 62, pg. 189)

Martin Luther, who read Hebrew fluently was speaking on
what he had read in the Talmud.

Michael Snead
14/88



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Subject: [13texan] Goodwill and Brutality
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 21:44:03 -0700
From: sneadster@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

   The thought came to me about the difference
between the holiday celebrations of the Christians
and that of the Jews. The Christians celebrate
Christmas and Easter. Christmas officially marks
the birth of our Savior and celebrates the desire
for peace on earth goodwill towards men. Easter a
more somber occasion represents the promise of
universal salvation through the ressurection of
Jesus Christ.
   The Jews on the other hand celebrate Hanukkah
the celebration of victory over King Antiochus lV
of Seria. The celebration of the Passover is when
the spirit of death descended into the homes of
the Egyptians, killing the firstborn male in all
of Egypt from newborn to ederly. Then the Feast
of Lots, called Purim, celebrates the Jewish
massacre of thousands of Persians along with Haman
and his ten sons. The festivities also include


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Subject: [13texan] Goodwill and Brutality
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 21:49:33 -0700
From: sneadster@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

   The thought came to me about the difference
between the holiday celebrations of the Christians
and that of the Jews. The Christians celebrate
Christmas and Easter. Christmas officially marks
the birth of our Savior and celebrates the desire
for peace on earth goodwill towards men. Easter a
more somber occasion represents the promise of
universal salvation through the ressurection of
Jesus Christ.
   The Jews on the other hand celebrate Hanukkah
the celebration of victory over King Antiochus lV
of Seria. The celebration of the Passover is when
the spirit of death descended into the homes of
the Egyptians, killing the firstborn male in all
of Egypt from newborn to ederly. Then the Feast
of Lots, called Purim, celebrates the Jewish
massacre of thousands of Persians along with Haman
and his ten sons. The festivities also includes eating
a three sided cookie with meat inside symbolic of Haman's
ear and the meat symbolic of Haman's beaten flesh.
   I personally do not have to wonder why, throughout
history, the Jews have been treated the way they have been.
Michael Snead
14/88


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Subject: [13texan] Re: View of the Jews
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 07:12:27 CDT
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>  One of Martin Luther's books was titled, The Jews
>and Their Lies had passionate anti-Jewish tones. Here
>are some of his writings in other books, sermons and
>articles that he had written:
>  They have taught so much deadly hatred against the
>Gentiles by their parents and Rabbis since......
>(Weimar 53 pages 482-483)
>Their Talmud and their Rabbis teach them that a murder
>shall not be regarded as a sin whenever a Jew kills a
>Gentile....
>(Weimar 53 pages 489-491)
>
>"Maybe mild hearted and gentle Christians will believe
>i am too rigourous and drastic against the poor,
>afflicted Jews, believing that I ridicule them and treat
>them with such sarcasm. By my word, I am far too weak to
>be able to ridicule such a Satanic breed."
>(Weimar 32,pg 286)
>
>You should know that the Jews blaspheme and violate
>the name of our Savior day for day...they are our public
>enemies and incessantly blaspheme our Lord Jesus Christ,
>they call our Blessed Virgin Mary a Harlot and her Holy
>son a bastard and to us they give us the epithet of
>Changlings and abortions. If they could kill us all they
>would gladly do so, in fact many murder Christians....
>Luther's last serman, a few days before his death in
>February 1546.
>(Erlanger 62, pg. 189)
>
>Martin Luther, who read Hebrew fluently was speaking on
>what he had read in the Talmud.
>
>Michael Snead
>14/88

Yes, Michael....blessed Luther was so right...he had read the Jews
perfectly......he was not too hard on the Jews....and as he stated, he may
not have been hard enough.......the Jews are the literal children of Satan
(John 8:44), as should be treated as such....our LORD is proud of us when we
hate His enemies....and are there any more of an enemy than the dirty
Jew?....we must make Jesus proud of us...so that on that great day, He will
say...."Well done, my good and faithful servant...come thou into My
kingdom..."

Hail Jesus' Victory!
David

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Subject: [13texan] Re: The Talmud
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 09:37:04 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

Michael Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=781

>  The following are some articles written in the Talmud
>  concerning the Gentile:

First, the Talmud is not a collection of  articles.  Second, your
contention that these passages refer to Gentiles is incorrect in most
cases.  But let’s look at some of the antisemitic lies you’ve posted.

>  Only Jews are Human.Gentiles are animals
>  (Baba Mezia 114a-114b)

Apparently a deliberate mistranslation. The passage deals with the
technical rules of corpse-impurity which, according to the author of
this text, apply to Jews and not to gentiles. In this connection
Ezekiel 34:31 is cited: "And ye My sheep [referring to Israel], the
sheep of My pasture, are _men [Hebrew: "adam"]_, and I am your God,
saith the Lord God." From a careful midrashic reading of this Biblical
verse, Rabbi Simeon ben Yohai deduced "Only "ye" [i.e., Israel, not
other nations] are designated "adam," in the sense that only Jewish
corpses and graves generate impurity according to Numbers 19:14: "This
is the law: when a _man ['adam']_ dieth in a tent, every one that
cometh into the tent...shall be unclean seven days..." The passage is
legal and exegetical, not theological. If anything, it seems to put
Jews on a lower footing than non-Jews. Typically, the words "but
beasts" were added on by whoever put this list together. They do not
appear in the original.

>  For Murder, whether of a Cuthean(Gentile) by a Cuthean,
>  or of an Israelite, there is no death penalty.
>  (Sanhedran 57a)

(a) It hardly needs be said that the Talmud does not state that Jews
may rob or kill non-Jews. It may be appropriate to make a few general
comments about the Talmudic view of murder.

Taking the life of any human being is forbidden. The Talmud teaches
that this prohibition was first declared in Genesis and applies to all
mankind. Everyone, Jew and non-Jew alike, commits a grievous sin if he
takes the life of another human being. The Talmud teaches: "Therefore
Adam was created alone in the world [i.e. humanity started from a
single individual] to teach that whoever destroys one person, it is
considered as if he has destroyed an entire world, and whoever saves
one person, it is considered as if he has saved an entire world, and to
establish peace among all creatures so that no one will say 'my ancestor
was greater than your ancestor' ..." (TY Sanhedrin 22). A similar
teaching regarding the enormity of the crime of murder was learned by
the sages from an analysis of the biblical text describing the murder
of Abel by Cain (Gen. 4:10): "The blood of your brother cries out to Me
..". The word 'blood' can be understood as plural in the original
Hebrew text and the rabbis teach that the reference is to both "his
[Abel's] blood and the blood of his descendants". These Talmudic
teachings have been largely
absorbed by all civilized nations.

It may be of interest to quote the words used by the ancient rabbinical
courts to caution witnesses before they testified concerning capital
offenses (the following quotation is based on the Rambam, Hilchot
Sanhedrin  12,3, who based his ruling on Talmudic teachings):

".. know that [in case of execution by false testimony] his blood and
the blood of his descendants to the end of all time [will be upon the
false testifier] ... that is why Adam was created a single person in
the world to teach that whoever destroys a single person from this
world is deemed to have destroyed an entire world ..... behold all
people who walk on this earth were created in the form of Adam .... the
faces of every one of them is different from that of his fellow man and
therefore each one can say 'the world was created on my account' ..."

While murder of any kind is strictly forbidden, the Talmudic passage
quoted above deals only with the issue of capital punishment. The
biblical system of capital punishment was not designed for social order
or social regulation in the modern sense. Even when rabbinical courts
held the power to impose capital punishment the rules surrounding such
punishment were so difficult to apply that there was essentially no
effective death penalty under Talmudic law. No capital punishment could
be imposed unless there were two witnesses who actually viewed the
crime and each other at the same time.

Furthermore the perpetrator had to be warned that he was about to
commit a capital offense (according to one opinion the warning had to
state which one of the four types of biblical execution would be
performed). The offender had to verbally acknowledge that he was going
to commit the offense with the intent of becoming liable for capital
punishment, and then immediately commit the act. If the offender merely
acknowledged that he knew about the death penalty he would not be
liable to capital punishment.

These and other restrictions on the use of the death penalty were
learned by the sages from an analysis of the biblical verses applicable
to capital punishment. Another restriction learned was that in case of
murder the victim had to be either a Jew or a Canaanite slave belonging
to a Jew and this point is raised tangentially in this passage of the
Talmud: "for bloodshed, a Cuthean to a Cuthean is liable [for capital
punishment], a Cuthean to an Israelite is liable [for capital
punishment], and an Israelite to a Cuthean is exempt [from biblical
capital punishment, but such an act is strictly prohibited and is
punished by Heaven
commentators].

This does not mean that there was no capital punishment in Talmudic
times, but such punishment was imposed by the king who acted within a
framework of values different from that of the sages of the Talmud. His
concern was revenge, order and deterrence, not the question of precise
interpretation of biblical verses which was the concern of the sages of
the Talmud. If the king did not use his prerogative to execute
murderers the rabbinical courts also had the power to impose
non-biblical capital punishment on murderers who were not liable to
capital punishment because of the various restrictions of the type
discussed above, but since these matters were dealt with on an ad hoc
basis there is almost no discussion of them in the Talmud.

It must be clear however that the prohibition against murder applies to
all people, Jew and non-Jew alike, and even applies to the wildest of
pagans. This prohibition predates the giving of the Torah and is one of
the Noahide commandments and is repeated in the biblical commandment
not to murder.

(b) 'What a Jew steals from a Gentile he may keep'. There is no such
statement on this page or anywhere else in the Talmud. In the framework
of discussion of the source verse for the prohibition against theft the
Talmud here notes that the verse which applies to Gentiles and forbids
them from stealing does not apply to Jews. Jews are forbidden from
stealing from Gentiles by other verses or by rabbinical ordinances.

>  If a heathen(Gentile) hits a Jew, the Gentile must be killed.
>  Hitting a Jew is hitting God.
>  (Sanhedrin 58b)

Misquote. The text doesn't say that he must be killed but that he's
worthy of death -- an idiomatic phrase referring to death by the hand
of god (struck by lightning etc.). That's because by hitting a man
(made in the image of God) you are marring the image of God. The same
is also said of Jews who simply raise their hand against others, by the
way.

>  Jews may use lies('subterfuges') to circumvent a Gentile.
>  (Baba Kamma 113a)

The passage discusses robbers (such as tax collectors who acted beyond
their legal authority) who have stolen property. The question that
arises is whether it is permitted to use subterfuge to circumvent their
thievery. In a long legal discussion, the entire thrust of which is
that any form of stealing from heathens is forbidden, the following
statement is brought forward for consideration: "we use subterfuges to
circumvent him [a heathen; this is one opinion] ... but Rabbi Akiva
said that we should not attempt to circumvent him on account of the
sanctification of the Name". The Talmud continues and notes that Rabbi
Akiva forbids subterfuges not only on account of desecration of G-d's
name, but also because theft from a non-Jew is absolutely forbidden by
biblical law. The Talmud continues to explain that even the opinion
which is rejected does not condone outright theft which is absolutely
forbidden according to all opinions.

The Talmudic passage here is a well-known one which makes the point
that the "law of the land is the law", that is, the civil and
commercial law of the nations in which Jews reside is binding on them.

The conclusions to be drawn from this passage, as noted by the
commentator Meiri, some 700 years ago are as follows:

"We find that it is forbidden to steal even from idol worshippers and
those who do not have any kind of legal system and if a Jew is sold to
them [as a slave] it is forbidden for him to leave their service
without payment, and it is forbidden to refrain from repaying a loan
received from them but one is not required to expend efforts to find
and return their lost articles, and in fact one who simply finds their
lost articles is not required to return them .... since return of lost
articles is an act of extraordinary kindness [in places where
'finders-keepers' is the rule] and we are not required to show this
extraordinary kindness to those who live without laws, but in any event
... in the case of a lost article it should be returned if there is any
chance of desecration of G-d's name by failing to do so .... but for
all those who have any kind of legal and religious system at all of any
type even though their faith is far from our own, they are not
[referred to] in these laws, rather they are in all respects as Jews
for these matters, both as to lost articles, or to mistakes and to all
the other matters without exception."

>  All Gentile children are annimals.
>  (Yebamonth 98a)

Such statements do not exist. On this page the Talmud considers whether
converts are considered relatives of their biological kin from the
point of view of enforcing upon them the strictures of Jewish law
regarding forbidden marriages. The Talmud quotes one lenient opinion
(in the end rejected) to the effect that these strictures should not
apply to converts because their blood relationship before marriage is
not considered to carry over to their new status as Jews. In the manner
of the agada this ruling was pinned on the verse in Ezekiel (23;20)
"... for their flesh is as the flesh of donkeys ..." a verse which
applies to Jews and non-Jews.

>  Gentiles prefer Sex with cows.
>  (Abodah Zarah 22a-22b)

Tractate Avoda Zara (literally Tractate Idol Worship) deals with
relations with pagans and idol worshippers, particularly those who
still engaged in barbaric and immoral behavior. Such behavior is
prohibited to all people and Jews are not allowed to aid or facilitate
such immoral behavior.

In Avoda Zara 22a-22b there is a discussion concerning whether animals
could be left in the care of pagans for safekeeping in cases where
there was a suspicion that the pagans would engage in sexual relations
with such  animals. The text quotes several sages who witnessed such
grossly immoral behavior and the statement is made that 'they [such
pagans] prefer .. animals ... to their wives'. These sages ruled that
it was therefore forbidden to leave animals in the care of pagans.

The general conclusion of the Talmud is that despite such isolated
cases of sodomy there was no reason even to suspect that the pagans
would engage in such crudities.

> The Vessles of Gentiles, do they not impart a worsened
>  flavor to food cooked in them? (Abodah Zorah 67b)

In this comment Rabbi Meir is speaking of the fact that if residual
flavour (e.g. from spices) is left in a cooking vessel and it is used
within 24 hours, then that flavour will be imparted into the food that
is next cooked in it. If left greater than 24 hours, then the flavour
will be worse as the food will have started to decompose. This point is
used to prove that even when a vessel is visibly clean, that foodstuff
is still absorbed in it. Gentiles have no need to keep kosher, and
therefore their vessels will not be kosher according to the above logic
(since the non-kosher flavour that is absorbed in them will be released
into the food). It has nothing whatever to do with the denigration of
gentiles - it is simply a recognition that Jews keep kosher and should
therefore use kosher vessels and that Gentiles have no need or
requirement to do so.

>
> These are just a few of the writings of the Jew and their
> holy book the Talmud. The Talmud's words are vitriolic. A
> person who would read Mien Kampf and the Talmud would find
> the Talmud far more intolerant.

Only if that individual was a Jew hater who posted in public email
groups well known and long debunked lies about the Talmud. You know
nothing about the Talmud, and yet are more than willing to post any
nonsense you find on antisemitic websites to further your smearing
attacks on Jews. Do you think the Lord supports such behavior?

Philip Mathews

>
> St. John 8:13
> Michael Snead
> 14/88
>

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Subject: [13texan] Re: View of the Jews
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 09:48:11 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=782
>  One of Martin Luther's books was titled, The Jews
> and Their Lies had passionate anti-Jewish tones.

Luther's hateful views of Jews were wrong.

 Here
> are some of his writings in other books, sermons and
> articles that he had written:
>  They have taught so much deadly hatred against the
> Gentiles by their parents and Rabbis since......
> (Weimar 53 pages 482-483)
> Their Talmud and their Rabbis teach them that a murder
> shall not be regarded as a sin whenever a Jew kills a
> Gentile....
> (Weimar 53 pages 489-491)

Which is a lie.

>
> "Maybe mild hearted and gentle Christians will believe
> i am too rigourous and drastic against the poor,
> afflicted Jews, believing that I ridicule them and treat
> them with such sarcasm. By my word, I am far too weak to
> be able to ridicule such a Satanic breed."
> (Weimar 32,pg 286)

He most certainly was too rigorous, not to mention a liar and hater in
his antisemitic diatribes.

>
> You should know that the Jews blaspheme and violate
> the name of our Savior day for day...they are our public
> enemies and incessantly blaspheme our Lord Jesus Christ,
> they call our Blessed Virgin Mary a Harlot and her Holy
> son a bastard and to us they give us the epithet of
> Changlings and abortions.

This is a lie. Nothing in Judaism says this.

If they could kill us all they
> would gladly do so, in fact many murder Christians....
> Luther's last serman, a few days before his death in
> February 1546.
> (Erlanger 62, pg. 189)

More nonsense, but then Snead doesn't care if it's true, as long as it
maligns Jews, the sure sign of an antisemite!

>
> Martin Luther, who read Hebrew fluently was speaking on
> what he had read in the Talmud.

And apparently believed the same lies in your post on the Talmud, which
I have exposed as the canard they are.

Philip Mathews

>
> Michael Snead
> 14/88
>
>
>
>

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Subject: [13texan] Re: View of the Jews
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 11:16:47 -0600
From: Ed Kadach 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

At 09:48 AM 9/4/99 -0700, Mathews wrote:
>Snead wrote:
>
>
>philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
>original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=782
>>  One of Martin Luther's books was titled, The Jews
>> and Their Lies had passionate anti-Jewish tones.
>
>Luther's hateful views of Jews were wrong.
>
>
> Here
>> are some of his writings in other books, sermons and
>> articles that he had written:
>>  They have taught so much deadly hatred against the
>> Gentiles by their parents and Rabbis since......
>> (Weimar 53 pages 482-483)
>> Their Talmud and their Rabbis teach them that a murder
>> shall not be regarded as a sin whenever a Jew kills a
>> Gentile....
>> (Weimar 53 pages 489-491)
>
>Which is a lie.
>
>>
>> "Maybe mild hearted and gentle Christians will believe
>> i am too rigourous and drastic against the poor,
>> afflicted Jews, believing that I ridicule them and treat
>> them with such sarcasm. By my word, I am far too weak to
>> be able to ridicule such a Satanic breed."
>> (Weimar 32,pg 286)
>
>He most certainly was too rigorous, not to mention a liar and hater in
>his antisemitic diatribes.
>
>
>>
>> You should know that the Jews blaspheme and violate
>> the name of our Savior day for day...they are our public
>> enemies and incessantly blaspheme our Lord Jesus Christ,
>> they call our Blessed Virgin Mary a Harlot and her Holy
>> son a bastard and to us they give us the epithet of
>> Changlings and abortions.
>
>This is a lie. Nothing in Judaism says this.
>
>
>
>
>If they could kill us all they
>> would gladly do so, in fact many murder Christians....
>> Luther's last serman, a few days before his death in
>> February 1546.
>> (Erlanger 62, pg. 189)
>
>More nonsense, but then Snead doesn't care if it's true, as long as it
>maligns Jews, the sure sign of an antisemite!
>
>
>>
>> Martin Luther, who read Hebrew fluently was speaking on
>> what he had read in the Talmud.
>
>And apparently believed the same lies in your post on the Talmud, which
>I have exposed as the canard they are.

You haven't exposed anything except for the fact that you parrot the
Zionist propaganda agenda of despising the truth that confronts you all,
each and everyday. You know, one would think when a man like you, who is
honestly(?) mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken
or cease to be honest. You've continuously choosen the latter.

Racialist regards,

Ed Kadach

>
>Philip Mathews

>>
>> Michael Snead
>> 14/88

"All truth passes through three stages. First,
it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
---Schopenhauer

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Subject: [13texan] Re: View of the Jews
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 10:56:18 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=788
> At 09:48 AM 9/4/99 -0700, Mathews wrote:
> >Snead wrote:
> >
> >
> >philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> >original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=782
> >>  One of Martin Luther's books was titled, The Jews
> >> and Their Lies had passionate anti-Jewish tones.
> >
> >Luther's hateful views of Jews were wrong.
> >
> >
> > Here
> >> are some of his writings in other books, sermons and
> >> articles that he had written:
> >>  They have taught so much deadly hatred against the
> >> Gentiles by their parents and Rabbis since......
> >> (Weimar 53 pages 482-483)
> >> Their Talmud and their Rabbis teach them that a murder
> >> shall not be regarded as a sin whenever a Jew kills a
> >> Gentile....
> >> (Weimar 53 pages 489-491)
> >
> >Which is a lie.
> >
> >>
> >> "Maybe mild hearted and gentle Christians will believe
> >> i am too rigourous and drastic against the poor,
> >> afflicted Jews, believing that I ridicule them and treat
> >> them with such sarcasm. By my word, I am far too weak to
> >> be able to ridicule such a Satanic breed."
> >> (Weimar 32,pg 286)
> >
> >He most certainly was too rigorous, not to mention a liar and hater
in
> >his antisemitic diatribes.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> You should know that the Jews blaspheme and violate
> >> the name of our Savior day for day...they are our public
> >> enemies and incessantly blaspheme our Lord Jesus Christ,
> >> they call our Blessed Virgin Mary a Harlot and her Holy
> >> son a bastard and to us they give us the epithet of
> >> Changlings and abortions.
> >
> >This is a lie. Nothing in Judaism says this.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >If they could kill us all they
> >> would gladly do so, in fact many murder Christians....
> >> Luther's last serman, a few days before his death in
> >> February 1546.
> >> (Erlanger 62, pg. 189)
> >
> >More nonsense, but then Snead doesn't care if it's true, as long as
it
> >maligns Jews, the sure sign of an antisemite!
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Martin Luther, who read Hebrew fluently was speaking on
> >> what he had read in the Talmud.
> >
> >And apparently believed the same lies in your post on the Talmud,
which
> >I have exposed as the canard they are.
>
>
> You haven't exposed anything except for the fact that you parrot the
> Zionist propaganda agenda of despising the truth that confronts you
all,
> each and everyday.

A typical Kadach lie. Most of these points cited from Luther are the
same as appeared in Snead's post on the Talmud. Read my response and
learn something besides what is taught at your hate meetings.

 You know, one would think when a man like you, who is
> honestly(?) mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being
mistaken
> or cease to be honest. You've continuously choosen the latter.
>

You been consistently shown to be a liar and hater, and yet refuse to
mend your ways. You traffic the mindless hatred of a tiny, splinter
sect, reviled by decent people and anathama to the Christian faith as a
whole. Interestingly, you don't even possess much of an ability or
willingess to defend your "beliefs", preferring to utter silly
inanities such as these, and then run off thinking you've made some
point. The Day of Reckoning will be an interesting one for you Kadach!

Regards to a racist,

Philip Mathews

>
> Racialist regards,
>
> Ed Kadach
>
>
>
> >
> >Philip Mathews
>
>
> >>
> >> Michael Snead
> >> 14/88
>
>
>
> "All truth passes through three stages. First,
> it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
> ---Schopenhauer
>

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Subject: [13texan] Potpourii of Popes' thoughts on the Talmud
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 11:06:11 -0700
From: sneadster@aol.com
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   To speak the truth and to be called a hater is
exactly what Jesus Christ had to endure when he
faced the self-rightous Jews during his journeys
here on earth. The sins of the Satanic off springs
will surely be their demise. I personally hate a
lie but not the liar. I hate the hate in it's self
but not the hater.
   The followiing are some of the past Popes'
thought's  on the Talmud:
***Gregory IX Condemned the Talmud as containing, every
kind of vileness and blashphemy against the Christian
doctrine."
***BenidictXIII His Bull on the Jews(1450)Decalred
"the herisies, vanities and the errors of the Talmud
prevent the Jews from knowing the truth."
***InocentIV Burned the Tlmud in 1233 as a book of evil
***John XXII Banned the Talmudin 1322
***JuliusIII Papal Bull Contra Hebreos retinentes Libros
(1554)ordered the Talmud burnt "everywhere"
***Paul IV BullCum Nimis Absurdum (1555) powerfully
condemned Jewish usery and anti-Christian activities.
***Pius IV Condemned Jewish Gonocidal writings.
***Pius V expelled allJews from Papal States because
of their evil writings of Christians and Gentiles.
***Gergory XIII said in a Papal Bull of 1581, "Moved
By an entence hatred of the members of Christ, they
continue to plan horrible crimes againt the Christian
Religion with daily increasing audacity."
***Clement VIII condemned Jewish genocidal writings.
   Am I a hater for posting what I have read from great
religious Leaders of the past? Am I wrong to tell the
truth? It seems funny that when you tell the truth the
Jew gets flustered and accuses you of being a liar.
Antisemetic.Says you are the Hatemonger. Have you also
noticed that the Talmud and the Holocaust has to be so
eminently defended?
Michael Snead
14/88


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Subject: [13texan] More on the Talmud by Lewis Dent (Willie Martin)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 14:36:14 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
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    The follow is an article that Willie Martin wrote that I felt the
necessity to share with all of you at this point. Some of the parts of the
Talmud are repeated from what I posted but I didn't want to change what he
has woke so hard to write.

THE TALMUD
                   1 of 28

The Talmud: Judaism's holiest book documented and exposed:
The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book. Its authority takes precedence over the
Old Testament in Judaism. Evidence of this may be found in the Talmud itself,
Erubin 21b (Soncino edition): "My son, be more careful in the observance of
the words of the Scribes than in the words of the Torah (Old Testament)." The
supremacy of the Talmud over the Bible in the Israeli state may also be seen
in the case of the Black Ethiopian Jews. Ethiopians have more knowledge of
the Old Testament than the Israelis.

    However, their religion is so ancient it pre-dates the Scribes Talmud, of
which they have no knowledge. According to the N.Y. Times of Sept. 29, 1992,
p.4: "The problem is that Ethiopian Jewish tradition goes no further than the
Bible or Torah; the later Talmud and other commentaries that form the basis
of modern traditions never came their way." Because they don't traffic in
Talmudic traditions, the Black Ethiopians are discriminated against and have
been forbidden to perform marriages, funerals and other services in the
Israeli state.

    Rabbi Joseph D. Soloveitchik is regarded as one of the most influential
rabbis of the 20th century, the "unchallenged leader" of Orthodox Judaism and
the top international authority on halakha (Jewish religious law).
Soloveitchik was responsible for instructing and ordaining more than 2,000
rabbis, "an entire generation" of Jewish leadership.

    N.Y. Times religion reporter Ari Goldman described the basis of the
rabbis authority: "Soloveitchik came from a long line of distinguished
Talmudic scholars...Until his early 20s, he devoted himself almost
exclusively to the study of the Talmud...He came to Yeshiva University's
Elchanan Theological Seminary where he remained the pre-eminent teacher in
the Talmud...He held the title of Leib Merkin professor of Talmud...sitting
with his feet crossed in front of a table bearing an open volume of the
Talmud."

    Nowhere does Goldman refer to Soloveitchiks knowledge of the Bible as the
basis for being one of the top world authorities on Jewish law. The rabbis
credentials are predicated upon his mastery of the Talmud. All other studies
are clearly secondary. Britains Jewish Chronicle of March 26, 1993 states
that in religious school (yeshiva), Jews are "devoted to the Talmud to the
exclusion of everything else."

    The Scribes claim the Talmud is partly a collection of traditions Moses
gave them in oral form. These had not yet been written down in Jesus time.
Christ condemned the traditions of the Mishnah (early Talmud) and those who
taught it (Scribes and Pharisees), because it nullified Biblical teachings.

    The famous warning of Our Lord about the tradition that voids Scripture
(Mark 7:13), which is regularly used against Catholicism by Protestants, is
actually a direct reference to the Talmud or more properly, the forerunner of
the first part of it, the Mishnah, which existed in oral form during Christ*s
lifetime, before being committed to writing. All of Mark chapter 7, from
verse one through thirteen, represents Our Lord*s pointed condemnation of the
Mishnah.

    Unfortunately, due to the abysmal ignorance of our day, the widespread
Christian notion is that the Old Testament is the supreme book of Judaism.
But this is not so. The Pharisees teach for doctrine the commandments of
rabbis, not God; the Talmudic commentary on the Bible is their supreme law
and not the Bible itself. That commentary does indeed, as Jesus said, void
the laws of God, not uphold them. As a reader of Talmud (in the rabbinically
authorized Soncino version) I know this to be true.

    There is a small Jewish sect which makes considerable effort to eschew
Talmud and adhere to the Old Testament alone. These are the Karaites, a most
hated and severely persecuted group within Judaism.

    To the Mishnah the rabbis later added the Gemara (rabbinical
commentaries). Together these comprise the Talmud. There are two versions,
the Jerusalem Talmud and the Babylonian Talmud. The Babylonian Talmud is
regarded as the authoritative version:  "The authority of the Babylonian
Talmud is also greater than that of the Jerusalem Talmud. In cases of doubt
the former is decisive." (R.C. Musaph-Andriesse, From Torah to Kabbalah: A
Basic Introduction to the Writings of Judaism, p. 40)

    This study is based on the Jewish-authorized, English translation of the
Babylonian Talmud: the Soncino edition. Every selection we cite is documented
directly from the text of the authoritative Soncino Talmud. We have published
herein the authenticated sayings of the Jewish Talmud. Look them up for
yourself. To verify the Talmud passages cited, refer to the Soncino edition
Talmud, which may be found in large university and seminary libraries. The
Soncino Talmud may also be purchased from book dealers. Translations: The
translators of the Talmud sometimes translate the Hebrew word goyim
(Gentiles) under any number of terms such as heathen, Cuthean, Egyptian,
idolater etc. But these are actually references to Gentiles (all non-Jews).
See for example footnote 5 of the Soncino edition Talmud: Cuthean (Samaritan)
was here substituted for the original goy... Christians are sometimes
referred to by the code word Min or Minim.

    It is the standard disinformation practice of the Pharisees to deny the
existence of the following Talmudic scriptures and to claim they are the
fabrications of "anti-Semites." This disinformation can only obtain cachet
among those too lazy to go to the English-language books of the Talmud and
look these passages up for themselves. Hebrew University Professor emeritus
Israel Shahak in his monumental 1994 work, "Jewish History, Jewish Religion"
(London:Pluto Press), has confirmed the malice and racism contained in Talmud.

    Like Prof. Shahak, we publish the following educational material in the
hope of liberating people, both Jewish and non-Jewish, from the
superstitions, hate-mongering and barbarities of Talmud. The implementation
of Talmudic philosophy has caused untold suffering throughout history and now
in occupied Palestine it is used as a justification for the mass murder of
Palestinian civilians. Some Teachings of the Talmud:

    Erubin 21b: Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be
punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.

    Moed Kattan 17a : If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city
where he is not known and do the evil there.

    Baba Mezia 114a-114b. Non-Jews are Not Human. Only Jews are human ("Only
ye are designated men"). Also see Kerithoth 6b under the sub-head, "Oil of
Anointing" and Berakoth 58a in which Gentile women are designated animals
("she-asses").

    Sanhedrin 58b: Jews are Divine. If a heathen (Gentile) hits a Jew, THE
GENTILE MUST BE KILLED. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.

    Sanhedrin 57a: O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews.  A Jew need not pay a Christian
("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.

    Baba Kamma 37b: Jews Have Superior Legal Status. "If an ox of an
Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a
Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."

    Baba Mezia 24a: Jews May Steal from Non-Jews.  If a Jew finds an object
lost by a Gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also
in Baba Kamma 113b).

    Sanhedrin 76a: God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an
old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a
Cuthean..."

    Sanhedrin 57a: JEWS MAY ROB AND KILL NON-JEWS. When a Jew murders a
Christian ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from
a Gentile he may keep.

    Baba Kamma 37b: Gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God
has "exposed their money to Israel."

    Baba Kamma 113a: Jews May Lie to Non-Jews . JEWS MAY USE LIES
("subterfuges") TO CIRCUMVENT A GENTILE.

    Yebamoth 98a: Non-Jewish Children Sub-Human. All Gentile children are
animals.

    Abodah Zarah 36b: Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from
birth.

    Abodah Zarah 22a-22b: Gentiles prefer sex with cows.

    Abodah Zarah 67b: "The vessels of Gentiles, do they not impart a worsened
flavor to the food cooked in them?"

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Subject: [13texan] Talmud 2 By: Lewis Dent (Willie Martin)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 14:50:08 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
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The follow is an article that Willie Martin wrote that I felt the necessity
to share with all of you at this point. Some of the parts of the Talmud are
repeated from what I posted but I didn't want to change what he has worked so
hard to write.
Michael Snead
14/88

THE TALMUD
                   2 of 28

    Insults Against Blessed Mary Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus mother was a
whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot
with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b it is stated that in
the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam
the hairdresser," had sex with many men.

Gloats over Christ Dying Young A passage from Sanhedrin 106 gloats over the
early age at which Jesus died: "Hast thou heard how old Balaam (Jesus)
was?-He replied: It is not actually stated but since it is written, Bloody
and deceitful men shall not live out half their days it follows that he was
thirty-three or thirty-four years old."

    Sanhedrin 43a . SAYS JESUS WAS A SORCERER.  Jesus ("Yeshu" and in
footnote #6, Yeshu "the Nazarene") was executed because he practiced sorcery.

    Horrible Blasphemy of Our Lord Gittin 57a . Says Jesus ( see footnote #4)
is being boiled "hot excrement".

    Sanhedrin 43a . Jesus deserved execution: "On the eve of the Passover,
Yeshu was hanged...Do you suppose that he was one for whom a defense could be
made? Was he not a Mesith (enticer)?"

    Attacks Christians and their Books Rosh Hashanah 17a . Christians
("minim") and others who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished
there for all generations (see footnote #11 for the definition of minim).

    Sanhedrin 90a . Those who read the New Testament (uncanonical books, see
footnote #9) will have no portion in the world to come.

    Shabbath 116a (p. 569). Jews must destroy the books of the Christians,
i.e. the New Testament. See footnote #6.

    Israel Shahak reports that the Zionists burned hundreds of New Testament
books in Occupied Palestine on March 23, 1980 (cf. Jewish History, Jewish
Religion, p. 21).

    Sick and Insane Teachings Gittin 69a . To heal his flesh a Jew should
take dust that lies within the shadow of an outdoor toilet, mix it with honey
and eat it.

    Shabbath 41a. The law regulating the rule for how to urinate in a holy
way is given.

    Yebamoth 63a. States that Adam had sexual intercourse with all the
animals in the Garden of Eden.

    Yebamoth 63a . Declares that agriculture is the lowest of occupations.

    Sanhedrin 55b . A JEW MAY MARRY A THREE YEAR OLD GIRL (specifically,
three years "and a day" old).

    Sanhedrin 54b . A JEW MAY HAVE SEX WITH A CHILD AS LONG AS THE CHILD IS
LESS THAN NINE YEARS OLD.

    Kethuboth 11b . "WHEN A GROWN-UP MAN HAS INTERCOURSE WITH A LITTLE (three
year old) GIRL IT IS NOTHING BECAUSE HER VIRGINITY WILL GROW BACK."

    Yebamoth 59b . A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to
marry a Jewish priest. A woman who has sex with a demon is also eligible to
marry a Jewish priest.

    Abodah Zarah 17a. States that there is not a whore in the world that
Rabbi Eleazar has not had sex with.

    Hagigah 27a . States that no rabbi can ever go to hell.

    Baba Mezia 59b. A RABBI DEBATES GOD AND DEFEATS HIM. GOD ADMITS THE RABBI
WON THE DEBATE.

    Gittin 70a . The Rabbis taught: "On coming from a privy (outdoor toilet)
a man should not have sexual intercourse till he has waited long enough to
walk half a mile, because the demon of the privy is with him for that time;
if he does, his children will be epileptic."

    Toilet and excrement obsessions are laced throughout Talmud and were
exhibited in Spielberg*s Schindlers List where the Hollywood director shows a
Jewish child jumping through a toilet seat in an outhouse and falling into a
pool of liquefied excrement. There the child meets two other Jewish children
partially immersed who inform the interloper that this cesspool is their
hiding spot exclusively and that he must find his own. These are the kind of
disgusting and morbid, psychotic images which Jewish kids are exposed to
constantly in the cinematic liturgy of Holocaustianity and for that matter,
in the Talmud as well.

    Gittin 69b (p. 329). To heal the disease of pleurisy ("catarrh") a Jew
should "take the excrement of a white dog and knead it with balsam, but if he
can possibly avoid it he should not eat the dogs excrement as it loosens the
limbs."

    Pesahim 111a. It is forbidden for dogs, women or palm trees to pass
between two men, nor may others walk between dogs, women or palm trees.
Special dangers are involved if the women are menstruating or sitting at a
crossroads.

    Menahoth 43b-44a . A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer
every day: Thank you God for not making me a Gentile, a woman or a slave.

    Shabbath 86a-86b . Because Jews are holy they do not have sex during the
day unless the house can be made dark. A Jewish scholar can have sex during
the day if he uses his garment like a tent to make it dark.

    Tall Tales of a Roman Holocaust Here are two early "Holocaust" tales from
the Talmud: Gittin 57b . Claims that four billion Jews were killed by the
Romans in the city of Bethar. Gittin 58a claims that 16 million Jewish
children were wrapped in scrolls and burned alive by the Romans. (Ancient
demography indicates that there were not 16 million Jews in the entire world
at that time, much less 16 million Jewish children or four billion Jews).

    A Revealing Admission Abodah Zarah 70a . The question was asked of the
rabbi whether some wine stolen in Pumbeditha might be used or if it was
defiled, due to the fact that the thieves might have been Gentiles (a Gentile
touching wine would make the wine unclean). The rabbi says not to worry, that
the wine is permissible for Jewish use because the majority of the thieves in
Pumbeditha, the place where the wine was stolen, are Jews

    Pharisaic Rituals Erubin 21b (p. 150). "Rabbi Akiba said to him, "Give me
some water to wash my hands." "It will not suffice for drinking," the other
complained, "will it suffice for washing your hands?" "What can I do? the
former replied, "when for neglecting the words of the Rabbis one deserves
death? It is better that I myself should die than that I transgress against
the opinion of my colleagues."[This is the ritual hand washing condemned by
Jesus in Matthew 15: 1-9].

    "Great Rabbi" Deceives A Woman Kallah 51a (Soncino Minor Tractates).
Teaches that God approves of rabbis who lie: "The elders were once sitting in
the gate when two young lads passed by; one covered his head and the other
uncovered his head. Of him who uncovered his head Rabbi Eliezer remarked that
he is a bastard. Rabbi Joshua remarked that he is the son of a niddah (a
child conceived during a womans menstrual period). Rabbi Akiba said that he
is both a bastard and a son of a niddah. "They said, "What induced you to
contradict the opinion of your colleagues?" He replied, "I will prove it
concerning him." He went to the lads mother and found her sitting in the
market selling beans. "He said to her, "My daughter, if you will answer the
question I will put to you, I will bring you to the world to come." (eternal
life). She said to him, "Swear it to me." Rabbi Akiba, "taking the oath with
his lips but annulling it in his heart," said to her, "What is the status of
your son?" She replied, "When I entered the bridal chamber I was niddah
(menstruating) and my husband kept away from me; but my best man had
intercourse with me and this son was born to me." Consequently the child was
both a bastard and the son of a niddah. It was declared, "..Blessed be the
God of Israel Who Revealed His Secret to Rabbi Akiba..."

    In addition to the theme that God rewards clever liars the preceding
discussion is actually about Christ (the lad who "uncovered his head"). The
reference to the lad*s mother is of course to the mother of Jesus, Blessed
Mary (called Miriam and sometimes, Miriam the hairdresser, in Talmud).

    Genocide Advocated by Talmud Minor Tractates. Soferim 15, Rule 10. This
is the saying of Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: Tob shebe goyyim harog ("Even the
best of the Gentiles should all be killed").

    This passage is not from the Soncino edition but is from the original
Hebrew of the Babylonian Talmud as quoted by the 1907 Jewish Encyclopedia,
published by Funk and Wagnalls and compiled by Isidore Singer, under the
entry, "Gentile," (p. 617).

    This original Talmud passage has been concealed in translation. The
Jewish Encyclopedia states that, "...in the various versions the reading has
been altered, The best among the Egyptians being generally substituted." In
the Soncino version: "the best of the heathens" (Minor Tractates, Soferim
41a-b]. Israelis annually take part in a national pilgrimage to the grave of
Simon ben Yohai, to honor this rabbi who advocated the extermination of
non-Jews. ("Jewish Press" of June 9, 1989, p. 56B).

    On Purim, Feb. 25, 1994, Israeli army officer Baruch Goldstein, an
orthodox Jew from Brooklyn, massacred 40 Palestinian civilians, including
children, while they knelt in prayer in a mosque. Goldstein was a disciple of
the late Rabbi Kahane who has stated that his view of Arabs as "dogs" is
"from the Talmud." (Cf. CBS "60 Minutes", "Kahane").

    Univ. of Jerusalem Prof. Ehud Sprinzak described Kahane and Goldsteins
philosophy: "They believe it's God's will that they commit violence against
"goyim," a Hebrew term for non-Jews." (NY Daily News, Feb. 26, 1994, p. 5).

    Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg declared, "We have to recognize that Jewish blood
and the blood of a goy are not the same thing." (NY Times, June 6, 1989,
p.5). Rabbi Yaacov Perrin says, "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish
fingernail." (NY Daily News, Feb. 28, 1994, p.6).

    Judeo-Christian Response to Talmud: Neither the "modern" popes or the
modern preachers of Protestantism, have ever insisted that the rabbis of
Judaism repudiate or condemn the Talmud. On the contrary, the heads of
"Judeo-Churchianity" have urged the followers of Christ to obey, honor and
support the followers of the Talmud. Therefore, it should be obvious that
"Judeo-Churchianity" is the worst betrayer of Jesus Christ on Earth today.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: View of the Jews
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 13:20:15 -0600
From: Ed Kadach 
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

At 10:56 AM 9/4/99 -0700, philnanc-@aol.com wrote:

>> >And apparently believed the same lies in your post on the Talmud,
>which
>> >I have exposed as the canard they are.

>> You haven't exposed anything except for the fact that you parrot the
>> Zionist propaganda agenda of despising the truth that confronts you
>> all, each and everyday.

>> You know, one would think when a man like you, who is
>> honestly(?) mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being
>> mistaken
>> or cease to be honest. You've continuously choosen the latter.
>>

>You been consistently shown to be a liar and hater, and yet refuse to
>mend your ways. You traffic the mindless hatred of a tiny, splinter
>sect, reviled by decent people and anathama to the Christian faith as a
>whole. Interestingly, you don't even possess much of an ability or
>willingess to defend your "beliefs", preferring to utter silly
>inanities such as these, and then run off thinking you've made some
>point. The Day of Reckoning will be an interesting one for you Kadach!
>
>Regards to a racist,
>
>Philip Mathews

Pastor F. Dowsett put it best regarding our Christian Identity beliefs in a
response
to an attack on "our truths". He said as follows:

"We really should thank the above writer for the free coverage of at least
some aspects of
our  beliefs, in particular, our origins. But isnt it interesting how that
every time the
media decides to have a swipe at us, they bring in the ADC of Bnai Brith,
the Klu Klux Clan, and any other derogatory  organisation and/or belief
they can lay their hands on. When are
they going to  get real? The fact that some members of the "Clan" hold the
same  beliefs as
to our Israel identity does not in any way connect us with them. But
perhaps Mr. Paton
believes that because the Catholic Church has its headquarters  in Rome, we
can now refer to all Catholics as Italians. As to the "seedline" theory,
this is held by a minority of
Identity believers, and totally rejected by the great majority of us. His
comments regarding our alleged beliefs about the black races are as
offensive to us as is his pathetic attempts
to handle and abuse a subject of which he has demonstrably such a  pitiable
lack of knowledge.
We have replied to these accusations many times in  the past, but of
course, good journalists cannot allow facts to interfere with  what they
are told to print. The point that interested
me in particular was the  phone interview to which he referred. I have
never ever spoken to
Mr. Paton,  either personally, or by phone. However, in mid June, I was
phoned by a Mr. Ian Walker, who introduced himself to me as a producer with
the ABC, and during  the course of
this phone conversation, I mentioned that there would be about  1,000
people who read our publication, "The Covenant Vision". The  remaining
comments made by Mr. Paton were fairly accurate in the context of my
conversation with Mr. Walker, but they were never made to Mr. Paton. It
would be interesting to know just how a young reporter from a provincial
newspaper is able to quote from a phone conversation held some two months
previously between myself and an ABC producer. And they accuse us of
believing in conspiracy theories. His follow-up report should be most
interesting. I found  a very interesting passage in the Bible which seems
to me to be fairly appropriate to what is going on as far as the opposition
which is being
constantly hurled at anyone who has the faintest connection with the
Israel-Identity movement. It is found in Acts 17, verses 5-8, which reads
as follows;

"But the Jews which believed not, moved with envy, took  unto them certain
lewd fellows of
the baser sort, and gathered a company, and set all the city on an uproar,
and assaulted the house of Jason,(read Platt, Dowsett, Campbell, Barley,
Peters, Mohr, , etc..) and sought to  bring them out to the people.

And when they found them not, they drew Jason (etc) and certain brethren
unto the rulers
of the city, crying, These that have turned the  world upside down are come
hither also;

Whom Jason (etc) hath received: and these all do  contrary to the decrees
of Caesar,
saying that there is another king, one Jesus.

And they troubled the people and the rulers of the city, when they heard
these things."

Isn't it great to know exactly Who is on our side!!!"

It is indeed Mathews. Now do yourself a favour and try to pry yourself away
from your computer and do something worthwhile for a change. You have way to
much idle time on your hands and you know what they say about idle hands.
Perhaps you should seek some type of employment.

YHWH Bless,

Ed Kadach

"All truth passes through three stages. First,
it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
---Schopenhauer

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Subject: [13texan] Re: View of the Jews
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 12:38:16 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Kadach wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=793
> At 10:56 AM 9/4/99 -0700, philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
>
> >> >And apparently believed the same lies in your post on the Talmud,
> >which
> >> >I have exposed as the canard they are.
>
>
>
> >> You haven't exposed anything except for the fact that you parrot
the
> >> Zionist propaganda agenda of despising the truth that confronts you
> >> all, each and everyday.
>
>
> >> You know, one would think when a man like you, who is
> >> honestly(?) mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being
> >> mistaken
> >> or cease to be honest. You've continuously choosen the latter.
> >>
>
>
> >You been consistently shown to be a liar and hater, and yet refuse to
> >mend your ways. You traffic the mindless hatred of a tiny, splinter
> >sect, reviled by decent people and anathama to the Christian faith
as a
> >whole. Interestingly, you don't even possess much of an ability or
> >willingess to defend your "beliefs", preferring to utter silly
> >inanities such as these, and then run off thinking you've made some
> >point. The Day of Reckoning will be an interesting one for you
Kadach!
> >
> >Regards to a racist,
> >
> >Philip Mathews
>
> Pastor F. Dowsett put it best regarding our Christian Identity
beliefs in a
> response
> to an attack on "our truths". He said as follows:
>
> "We really should thank the above writer for the free coverage of at
least
> some aspects of
> our  beliefs, in particular, our origins. But isnt it interesting how
that
> every time the
> media decides to have a swipe at us, they bring in the ADC of Bnai
Brith,
> the Klu Klux Clan, and any other derogatory  organisation and/or
belief
> they can lay their hands on. When are
> they going to  get real? The fact that some members of the "Clan"
hold the
> same  beliefs as
> to our Israel identity does not in any way connect us with them. But
> perhaps Mr. Paton
> believes that because the Catholic Church has its headquarters  in
Rome, we
> can now refer to all Catholics as Italians. As to the "seedline"
theory,
> this is held by a minority of
> Identity believers, and totally rejected by the great majority of us.
His
> comments regarding our alleged beliefs about the black races are as
> offensive to us as is his pathetic attempts
> to handle and abuse a subject of which he has demonstrably such a
pitiable
> lack of knowledge.
> We have replied to these accusations many times in  the past, but of
> course, good journalists cannot allow facts to interfere with  what
they
> are told to print. The point that interested
> me in particular was the  phone interview to which he referred. I have
> never ever spoken to
> Mr. Paton,  either personally, or by phone. However, in mid June, I
was
> phoned by a Mr. Ian Walker, who introduced himself to me as a
producer with
> the ABC, and during  the course of
> this phone conversation, I mentioned that there would be about  1,000
> people who read our publication, "The Covenant Vision". The  remaining
> comments made by Mr. Paton were fairly accurate in the context of my
> conversation with Mr. Walker, but they were never made to Mr. Paton.
It
> would be interesting to know just how a young reporter from a
provincial
> newspaper is able to quote from a phone conversation held some two
months
> previously between myself and an ABC producer. And they accuse us of
> believing in conspiracy theories. His follow-up report should be most
> interesting. I found  a very interesting passage in the Bible which
seems
> to me to be fairly appropriate to what is going on as far as the
opposition
> which is being
> constantly hurled at anyone who has the faintest connection with the
> Israel-Identity movement. It is found in Acts 17, verses 5-8, which
reads
> as follows;
>
>
> "But the Jews which believed not, moved with envy, took  unto them
certain
> lewd fellows of
> the baser sort, and gathered a company, and set all the city on an
uproar,
> and assaulted the house of Jason,(read Platt, Dowsett, Campbell,
Barley,
> Peters, Mohr, , etc..) and sought to  bring them out to the people.
>
> And when they found them not, they drew Jason (etc) and certain
brethren
> unto the rulers
> of the city, crying, These that have turned the  world upside down
are come
> hither also;
>
> Whom Jason (etc) hath received: and these all do  contrary to the
decrees
> of Caesar,
> saying that there is another king, one Jesus.
>
> And they troubled the people and the rulers of the city, when they
heard
> these things."
>
>
> Isn't it great to know exactly Who is on our side!!!"
>
>
> It is indeed Mathews. Now do yourself a favour and try to pry
yourself away
> from your computer and do something worthwhile for a change.

How typical of you Kadach to be unable to defend yourself, and post
instead some more unsupported lies by one of your "leaders".  Face it,
you and your beliefs are on the fringes of society for a reason, they
are despicable and false. Posting nonsense from people barely able to
pass a high school equivalency exam doesn't change that.

 You have way to
> much idle time on your hands and you know what they say about idle
hands.
> Perhaps you should seek some type of employment.

Save you sanctimony, I notice your here responding. I'm sure my time is
much better spent than yours, especially in the eyes of the Lord. That
hate's gonna eat you up yet Eddie!

Regards to a racist,

Philip Mathews

p.s. Notice you didn't have the courage or knowledge to respond to the
demolition of Sneads Talmud post!

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Potpourii of Popes' thoughts on the Talmud
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 12:48:37 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=790

>    To speak the truth and to be called a hater is
> exactly what Jesus Christ had to endure when he
> faced the self-rightous Jews during his journeys
> here on earth.

You are not Jesus Christ and the comparison is invidious. Christ had
far more problems with non-Jews.

The sins of the Satanic off springs
> will surely be their demise. I personally hate a
> lie but not the liar. I hate the hate in it's self
> but not the hater.

If you hated lies you wouldn't tell them with a frequency that is truly
astounding.

>    The followiing are some of the past Popes'
> thought's  on the Talmud:

> ***Gregory IX Condemned the Talmud as containing, every
> kind of vileness and blashphemy against the Christian
> doctrine."
> ***BenidictXIII His Bull on the Jews(1450)Decalred
> "the herisies, vanities and the errors of the Talmud
> prevent the Jews from knowing the truth."
> ***InocentIV Burned the Tlmud in 1233 as a book of evil
> ***John XXII Banned the Talmudin 1322
> ***JuliusIII Papal Bull Contra Hebreos retinentes Libros
> (1554)ordered the Talmud burnt "everywhere"
> ***Paul IV BullCum Nimis Absurdum (1555) powerfully
> condemned Jewish usery and anti-Christian activities.
> ***Pius IV Condemned Jewish Gonocidal writings.
> ***Pius V expelled allJews from Papal States because
> of their evil writings of Christians and Gentiles.
> ***Gergory XIII said in a Papal Bull of 1581, "Moved
> By an entence hatred of the members of Christ, they
> continue to plan horrible crimes againt the Christian
> Religion with daily increasing audacity."
> ***Clement VIII condemned Jewish genocidal writings.
>    Am I a hater for posting what I have read from great
> religious Leaders of the past?

You are a hater when you post lies about Jews because you hate them and
want to smear them. Many of the great religious leaders of the past
committed horrible deeds in the name of the Church or the Lord.
Thinking people recognize that fact. To cite their antisemitism as if
that justifies yours confirms your ignorance of the religion you
profess to practice.



 Am I wrong to tell the
> truth?

You tell lies.

It seems funny that when you tell the truth the
> Jew gets flustered and accuses you of being a liar.

That's because you tell lies. I notice you didn't respond to the
exposure of your lies in the Talmud post. That's because you know they
are lies and are unable to defend them. Good people get flustered when
people like you attempt to spread your hate and hide behind the
Scripture and failed religious leaders to do so.

> Antisemetic.Says you are the Hatemonger. Have you also
> noticed that the Talmud and the Holocaust has to be so
> eminently defended?

No more than the Bible. Truth always must be defended against those
whose evil natures would destroy it. A modern Pope has admitted the
past sins of the Church against Jews.

We recognize today
That many centuries of blindness
Have veiled our eyes,
So that we no longer see the beauty of your chosen people
And no longer recognize the features
Of our firstborn brother.
We know now that the Mark of Cain is on our forehead.
Over the course of centuries our brother Abel
Has lain in blood we have spilled,
Because we forgot your love.
Forgive us for the curse
Which we unjustly placed on the name of the Jews.
Forgive us,
For crucifying you a second time.
For we knew not what we were doing.

 of Pope John XXIII.

You should look to your own salvation.

Philip Mathews

> Michael Snead
> 14/88
>
>
>
>

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Potpourii of Popes' thoughts on the Talmud
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 15:53:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: maxwell99@webtv.net (Colleen Jones)
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Oh My Gosh I say little on this list, but that Mathews is the most
obnoxious, obvious plant I have ever seen.....let him stay though that
we may see the advesary as I recognize the style of this individual.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: More on the Talmud by Lewis Dent (Willie Martin)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 13:29:57 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=791

More lies about the Talmud from Mr. Snead, Jew hater extaordinaire.

>     The follow is an article that Willie Martin wrote that I felt the
> necessity to share with all of you at this point. Some of the parts
of the
> Talmud are repeated from what I posted but I didn't want to change
what he
> has woke so hard to write.
>
>
> THE TALMUD
>                    1 of 28
>
> The Talmud: Judaism's holiest book documented and exposed:
> The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book. Its authority takes precedence
over the
> Old Testament in Judaism. Evidence of this may be found in the Talmud
itself,
> Erubin 21b (Soncino edition): "My son, be more careful in the
observance of
> the words of the Scribes than in the words of the Torah (Old
Testament)."

That's not true. The Torah - the Five Books of Moses is Judaism's
"holiest" book, however it has two parts, a written part (which is what
Christians are familiar with) and an Oral part (which the early
Christians abandoned). The Oral part, or "Oral Law" is analogous to be
a body of jurispudence and procedures to accompany the written law and
is understood to have been handed down from Moses around the 1200's
BCE. It was expressly forbidden to write it down because it was thought
that any such attempt would be incomplete but after much debate, it
became apparent that the only way to preserve it would be to
write it down and this was done between 70CE and 200 CE in the form of
the Mishna and the supplementary Tosefta. Later the Gemara was added as
additional material and was written between 200CE and 500CE. Finally
around 500 CE this and other material were included in the encyclopedic
Talmud consisting of 5,894 pages and there are many further works in
addition to these as well.

The point of saying this is that in the absence of any interpretation
via an oral tradition, it is difficult to understand what was meant.
For example, the classic "eye for an eye" quote (Exodus 21:24 and
Leviticus 24:17-22) which Christians interpret literally has no such
interpretation in Judaism. No Jewish court has ever blinded or
otherwise inflicted physical injury as revenge or retribution. The
phrase is interpreted to mean what the perpetrator of a crime deserves,
not what he should get. Another example is that despite the existence
of capital punishment in the Hebrew Bible, Jewish courts rarely issued
the death penalty
as extremely strict conditions were imposed on who was considered valid
witnesses and other requirements which were difficult to meet in
practice.

Other examples proving the existence of the Oral Law within the Bible
relate to the fact that many terms, procedures, rights and
responsibilites are assumed to be common knowledge within the text. A
common expression is "as I have commanded you" but it doesn't say
anywhere what the command was, except that it known from the Oral part
of the Bible.

The Talmud derives its authority from the Torah on which it is based..

> The
> supremacy of the Talmud over the Bible in the Israeli state may also
be seen
> in the case of the Black Ethiopian Jews. Ethiopians have more
knowledge of
> the Old Testament than the Israelis.

That's not true. In fact they have less knowledge of the Bible because
they lost the Oral Law somewhere in their past and thus did not have
complete knowledge of the Bible because the Oral Law is just as much a
part of the Bible as the Written Law. How for example would they be
expected to perform duties described in the written Bible described in
the form "as I have commanded you" where no where else in the written
Bible does it give what these instructions are? The instructions were
given in the Oral part of the Bible.

Also, it is clear from the Talmud that the Torah law takes precedence
over the Talmud: "When doubt arises in a Rabbinical law we are
naturally lenient; but where the law is Scriptural we are strict."
Pesahim, Soncino Edition, p. 42, footnote (2)

>
>     However, their religion is so ancient it pre-dates the Scribes
Talmud, of
> which they have no knowledge. According to the N.Y. Times of Sept.
29, 1992,
> p.4: "The problem is that Ethiopian Jewish tradition goes no further
than the
> Bible or Torah; the later Talmud and other commentaries that form the
basis
> of modern traditions never came their way." Because they don't
traffic in
> Talmudic traditions, the Black Ethiopians are discriminated against
and have
> been forbidden to perform marriages, funerals and other services in
the
> Israeli state.

Because the Ethiopian Jews stopped following the Oral Law at some point
and came to rely on only the Written Law (Bible) they stopped
practising certain aspects of Judaism since they did not have the full
knowledge required. The Talmud itself did not change the practice of
Judaism as is claimed. All it did was codify the knowledge that already
existed and had been handed down since the time of Moses. It still
would be handed down orally, had it not been for people trying to
murder all the Jews over the centuries. If it wasn't for that, there
would have been no need to write it down in the first place.

>
>     Rabbi Joseph D. Soloveitchik is regarded as one of the most
influential
> rabbis of the 20th century, the "unchallenged leader" of Orthodox
Judaism and
> the top international authority on halakha (Jewish religious law).
> Soloveitchik was responsible for instructing and ordaining more than
2,000
> rabbis, "an entire generation" of Jewish leadership.

So? What is your point?

>
>     N.Y. Times religion reporter Ari Goldman described the basis of
the
> rabbis authority: "Soloveitchik came from a long line of
distinguished
> Talmudic scholars...Until his early 20s, he devoted himself almost
> exclusively to the study of the Talmud...He came to Yeshiva
University's
> Elchanan Theological Seminary where he remained the pre-eminent
teacher in
> the Talmud...He held the title of Leib Merkin professor of
Talmud...sitting
> with his feet crossed in front of a table bearing an open volume of
the
> Talmud."

So? What is your point?

>
>     Nowhere does Goldman refer to Soloveitchiks knowledge of the
Bible as the
> basis for being one of the top world authorities on Jewish law. The
rabbis
> credentials are predicated upon his mastery of the Talmud. All other
studies
> are clearly secondary. Britains Jewish Chronicle of March 26, 1993
states
> that in religious school (yeshiva), Jews are "devoted to the Talmud
to the
> exclusion of everything else."

So? What is your point?

>
>     The Scribes claim the Talmud is partly a collection of traditions
Moses
> gave them in oral form. These had not yet been written down in Jesus
time.
> Christ condemned the traditions of the Mishnah (early Talmud) and
those who
> taught it (Scribes and Pharisees), because it nullified Biblical
teachings.

The Talmud does not nullify any Biblical teachings but clarifies them.
The Bible has two parts, the written part and the oral part. The oral
part is what is expounded upon in the Talmud. It is interesting that
Jesus is claimed to have condemned the Talmud since many of his
teachings and some of the "New Testament" are based directly on the
Oral Teachings.

>
>     The famous warning of Our Lord about the tradition that voids
Scripture
> (Mark 7:13), which is regularly used against Catholicism by
Protestants, is
> actually a direct reference to the Talmud or more properly, the
forerunner of
> the first part of it, the Mishnah, which existed in oral form during
Christ*s
> lifetime, before being committed to writing. All of Mark chapter 7,
from
> verse one through thirteen, represents Our Lord*s pointed
condemnation of the
> Mishnah.

>
>     Unfortunately, due to the abysmal ignorance of our day, the
widespread
> Christian notion is that the Old Testament is the supreme book of
Judaism.
> But this is not so. The Pharisees teach for doctrine the commandments
of
> rabbis, not God; the Talmudic commentary on the Bible is their
supreme law
> and not the Bible itself. That commentary does indeed, as Jesus said,
void
> the laws of God, not uphold them. As a reader of Talmud (in the
rabbinically
> authorized Soncino version) I know this to be true.
>

The Torah ("Old Testament") was given to Jews in two parts, the written
part which is commonly known to Christians, and also the Oral part,
which was codified in the Talmud. A proper understanding of the Torah
requires knowledge of both parts. Indeed, the written Torah itself
alludes to the presence of the Oral part.

>     There is a small Jewish sect which makes considerable effort to
eschew
> Talmud and adhere to the Old Testament alone. These are the Karaites,
a most
> hated and severely persecuted group within Judaism.

It is not true that they are "hated and severely persecuted". The only
concern with Karaites is that they do not practice normative Judaism as
revealed in the Torah (like some other contemporary Jewish groups).

>
>     To the Mishnah the rabbis later added the Gemara (rabbinical
> commentaries). Together these comprise the Talmud. There are two
versions,
> the Jerusalem Talmud and the Babylonian Talmud. The Babylonian Talmud
is
> regarded as the authoritative version:  "The authority of the
Babylonian
> Talmud is also greater than that of the Jerusalem Talmud. In cases of
doubt
> the former is decisive." (R.C. Musaph-Andriesse, From Torah to
Kabbalah: A
> Basic Introduction to the Writings of Judaism, p. 40)

This is essentially true.

>
>     This study is based on the Jewish-authorized, English translation
of the
> Babylonian Talmud: the Soncino edition. Every selection we cite is
documented
> directly from the text of the authoritative Soncino Talmud. We have
published
> herein the authenticated sayings of the Jewish Talmud. Look them up
for
> yourself. To verify the Talmud passages cited, refer to the Soncino
edition
> Talmud, which may be found in large university and seminary
libraries. The
> Soncino Talmud may also be purchased from book dealers.

Of course, as will be revealed in the following analysis of the posted
material, it is full of gross mistranslations, fabrications and out of
context "quotes". And of course, no translation will ever capture the
real flavour of what is being said. For proper study of the Talmud, an
excellent knowledge of Aramaic and Hebrew is required.

 Translations: The
> translators of the Talmud sometimes translate the Hebrew word goyim
> (Gentiles) under any number of terms such as heathen, Cuthean,
Egyptian,
> idolater etc. But these are actually references to Gentiles (all
non-Jews).
> See for example footnote 5 of the Soncino edition Talmud: Cuthean
(Samaritan)
> was here substituted for the original goy... Christians are sometimes
> referred to by the code word Min or Minim.

Only Jewish Christians are referred to as minim or "heretics". Gentile
Christians are not.

>
>     It is the standard disinformation practice of the Pharisees to
deny the
> existence of the following Talmudic scriptures and to claim they are
the
> fabrications of "anti-Semites." This disinformation can only obtain
cachet
> among those too lazy to go to the English-language books of the
Talmud and
> look these passages up for themselves. Hebrew University Professor
emeritus
> Israel Shahak in his monumental 1994 work, "Jewish History, Jewish
Religion"
> (London:Pluto Press), has confirmed the malice and racism contained
in Talmud.

Here we have the bizarre claim of the "Christian Identity" movement
that the modern day Jews are "Pharisees" and thus not "true" Jews of
the Bible... And Professor Shahak is well-known as a self-hating Jew
and for his vitriolic attacks against Judaism. He can hardly be cited
as an authoritative source on Jewish belief.

>
>     Like Prof. Shahak, we publish the following educational material
in the
> hope of liberating people, both Jewish and non-Jewish, from the
> superstitions, hate-mongering and barbarities of Talmud. The
implementation
> of Talmudic philosophy has caused untold suffering throughout history
and now
> in occupied Palestine it is used as a justification for the mass
murder of
> Palestinian civilians.

Professor Shahak is a self-hating Jew who will go to any lengths to
discredit his own religion. Unfortunately, his understanding of his own
religion is not valid or authentic and he is certainly not a
theologian.

Also, rather than causing "untold suffering", the teachings of the
Talmud for much of the basis for the legal system and common law in
most civilised societies.

> Some Teachings of the Talmud:
>
>     Erubin 21b: Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will
be
> punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.

The correct quote is as follows:

"Whoever [rebelliously] breaches the words [legislative enactments] of
the Scribes [early legal authorities who had legislative
power] is liable for death [at the hands of Heaven]... whoever mocks
the words of the Wise is sentenced to [divine]
punishment [in the afterlife] by boiling excrement."

The Written Torah bids Jews to follow legislation enacted by the
Sanhedrin (council of sages). This legislation was designed to
prevent Jews from violating Written Torah laws and to organize life in
a manner befitting a holy people. Rebellion against this
legislation was naturally seen in an extremely negative light.

As a result it is no wonder that the Talmud expresses itself in the
strongest terms against those who systematically and
rebelliously violate the rabbinical enactments promulgated by the
ancient Sanhedrin. On the other hand one who violates a
Written Torah commandment usually does so not as an act of rebellion
but because he has succumbed to a momentary sinful
impulse.

Phrases such as 'is liable for death' are used to indicate a negative
attitude to a certain form of behavior and refer to a penalty
imposed by Heaven and not to punishment inflicted by a religious court.
In fact such expressions are not usually meant to be
taken literally as implying that Heaven will punish someone with early
death for his sin. Some commentators note that any
unfortunate occurrence such as sickness or poverty may be seen as
implementation of a 'death' penalty by Heaven. Also, the
judgment of Heaven may be mitigated by factors such as repentance.

Another example of the use of this type of phrase is found at Shabbat
114a where "R. Yochanan said that every scholar who has filth on his
cloak is liable for death", and there are many other similar examples.
It is important to emphasize that the such statements are in no way
meant to suggest implementation of a death penalty by a human court.
(In fact the death penalty was so rare in rabbinic times that the
Talmud states that "A Sanhedrin that gives a death penalty once in
seven years is called 'destructive'; Rabbi Eliezer ben Azaria said
[that the reference is to a Sanhedrin which gives a death sentence]
once in seventy
years." (Makot 7a).)

Similarly the term 'boiling excrement' is another example of the
metaphorical style used by the Talmud to express disapproval of
negative behavior (I believe that in ancient times animal excrement was
used for industrial purposes and the term may not have quite the same
connotation it has nowadays).

>
>     Moed Kattan 17a : If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to
a city
> where he is not known and do the evil there.

The correct translation should be: "R. Elayi says: 'if a man sees that
the evil urges is overcoming him he should go to a place where no one
knows him, dress in black, cover himself in black and do what his heart
wills and not desecrate the name of Heaven in public".

The commentators on the page immediately point out that the statement
means that in the process of leaving his town, entering a strange
place, dressing in black and covering himself in black, a person's evil
urge will be broken and he will have no desire to do evil; i.e., he may
do as his heart wills since his heart will no longer wish to do evil
(several commentators note that this interpretation is stated
explicitly in a parallel passage of agada in the Talmud Yerushalmi).

Other commentators point out that the statement does not refer to an
evil urge to commit a sin but rather the urge to behave improperly,
thereby desecrating G-d's name. When a Torah scholar acts in a manner
that is not becoming to one who has studied Torah (for example, when he
speaks with undue severity) he desecrates G-d's name because he is
expected to conform to a higher standard of behavior. According to
these commentators this  passage is directed at these scholars; if they
feel the urge to act on the level of the common person they should do
so where they are not known as Torah scholars and thus avoid the
desecration of G-d's name.

>
>     Baba Mezia 114a-114b. Non-Jews are Not Human. Only Jews are human
("Only
> ye are designated men")

In Numbers 19:14 the Written Torah states that "If [a] man [person]
dies inside a tent ...." and the passage goes on to describe
the laws of ritual impurity caused by the corpse.

The sages considered whether this law applied to all men or only to
Jews. It might have been thought that the word 'man' or
'person' would indicate a reference to both Jews and non-Jews. However
the Oral tradition made it clear that when the Torah
uses the word 'man' or 'person' in connection with legal restrictions
the reference is usually to Jews and not to non-Jews who
are not bound by Torah law.

The Talmudic passage states in connection with this matter: "'... My
sheep ... you are men' (Ez. 34:31); you [Jews] are called
'adam' [men], and the idol worshippers are not called 'adam' [men]".

Commentators explain that the use of the word 'men' [adam] in this
passage is similar to the use of the word 'person' in modern
national law codes. When such a law code uses the term 'person' the
reference is not universal but is restricted to those
persons who are bound by that national law code.

Similarly in the case at hand the laws of ritual impurity apply only to
Jews and not to non-Jews. The passage should thus be
understood as follows:

"It is a general rule of interpretation in the Torah that for the
purpose of legal enactments the term 'person' refers to Jews, who
are bound by the law, and does not refer to non-Jews who are not bound
by the law". It is interesting to note that the proof
text is taken from Ezekiel Chapter 34 in which Israel is compared to
sheep.

Another interpretation given by commentators is that when the context
is negative (as in a discussion of ritual impurity caused
by a corpse or the commission of a sin) the word 'man' is used to refer
to Jews only (in this
way not bringing shame on the name 'Israel'), but when the context is
positive then the word includes all of mankind.

With this understanding the Talmudic passage should be understood as
follows:

"It is a general rule of interpretation in the Torah that in a negative
context such as that of ritual impurity the word 'man' refers to Jews
only, and not to non-Jews".

This sentence appears three times in the Talmud; the reference in Baba
Mezia 114a is tangential and therefore the subject is not developed at
any length. An honest reader would follow the cross-references to the
other locations and note that in Kerithoth 6b the Talmud points out
that the application of this principle of interpretation is
questionable in any event.

Yevamot 61a is the third place in which this rule of interpretation is
mentioned and in this location the commentators on the page also point
out that this rule of interpretation has very limited use. They
specifically cross reference to the Talmudic statements in Avoda Zara
3a and Sanhedrin 59a which compare non-Jews who engage in Torah study
to the High Priest.

>. Also see Kerithoth 6b under the sub-head, "Oil of
> Anointing" and Berakoth 58a in which Gentile women are designated
animals
> ("she-asses").

The prophet Ezekiel (Ez. 23:20) says "... for their flesh is as the
flesh of donkeys ..." in reference to the nations surrounding Israel.
The prophet is castigating Judea for forming covenants with foreign
nations and metaphorically describes this process as Judea desiring
intimacy with donkeys.

The use of this designation by the prophet is consistent with biblical
poetic style. See, for example, Gen. 49:14 where Issachar is denoted a
"donkey"; or Gen. 49:17 where Dan is described as a "snake"; or Deut.
33:17 where Joseph is described as a "cow" etc.

The Talmud at Berakoth 58a relates how R. Shila had a Jew punished by
flogging for having illicit sexual relations with a non-Jew. The person
who was flogged used his influence with local imperial officials and
tried to have them execute R. Shila.

These officials asked R. Shila to explain why he had ordered the
flogging and he answered that the punishment had been meted out to
someone who had had relations with a donkey. The exchange ended with
the officials being so impressed with R. Shila that they extended R.
Shila's legal powers and granted him the right to impose capital
punishment.

The person who had been flogged accused R. Shila of being a liar, to
which R. Shila answered by quoting Ezekiel; that is, he claimed that
his statement was true on the same metaphorical level as that used by
the prophet Ezekiel and therefore did not fall into the category of an
outright lie. (In our own day we might find a rough parallel if a
preacher were to accuse an errant member of his flock of lusting after
animal flesh.)

This verse from Ezekiel is found in a few other Talmudic discussions.
It is instructive to note that in Arakhin 19b the verse is applied to
Jews to indicate that the density of human flesh and bone is similar to
that of animal flesh and bone, and in Yevamot 98a the verse is taken to
refer to a legal position which is lenient to converts to Judaism (in
the sense that they are considered newborns, and not related to their
former family members for purposes of legal strictures regarding
marriage laws). Similarly in
Berakhot 25b the Talmud specifically points out that the verse does not
refer to non-Jews.

>
>     Sanhedrin 58b: Jews are Divine. If a heathen (Gentile) hits a
Jew, THE
> GENTILE MUST BE KILLED. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.

Misquote. The text doesn't say that he must be killed but that he's
worthy of death -- an idiomatic phrase referring to death by the hand
of god (struck by lightning etc.). That's because by hitting a man
(made in the image of God) you are marring the image of God. The same
is also said of Jews who simply raise their hand against others, by the
way.

>
>     Sanhedrin 57a: O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews.  A Jew need not pay a
Christian
> ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.

It is certainly not "OK to cheat non-Jews". In the Tosefta Baba Kama
(10:8) we are taught: "It is more grievous to steal from a non-Jew than
from a Jew because of the desecration of G-d's name".

In Sanhedrin 57a the Talmud discusses the Noahide laws which are
binding on all non-Jews. It specifically examines the source of the
prohibition against holding back wages. Such practice is forbidden to
everyone - both Jew and non-Jew - but the biblical source of this
prohibition is different for Jews and non-Jews.

Jews are prohibited from holding back wages by specific verses in the
bible (Lev. 19:13; Deut. 24:14) which impose this prohibition only on
Jews. These verses specifically prohibit Jews from holding back wages
from anyone, whether Jew or non-Jew (Rambam, positive commandment
#200).

For non-Jews the biblical source for this prohibition is the verse
generally prohibiting non-Jews from stealing.

In this passage the Talmud examines the prohibition of withholding
wages with reference only to the scriptural passage prohibiting
non-Jews from such behavior. The proper translation of the passage is
this:

"holding back wages - a Cuthean [who does this] to a Cuthean -
prohibited [by the verse prohibiting non-Jews from stealing]; a Jew to
a Cuthean - permitted [by this verse, but prohibited by other verses
which specifically prohibit a Jew from holding back wages].

It may be noted that there are other situations where Jews are
forbidden to do something by one verse and Gentiles are forbidden the
same action by a different verse.

>
>     Baba Kamma 37b: Jews Have Superior Legal Status. "If an ox of an
> Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an
ox of a
> Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."

The commentaries on the page explain that the reference is to
Canaanites who do not observe the Noachide laws but act as pirates and
are outside the community of civilized nations. According to their laws
no one is liable for damage committed by his animals. Since they do not
take the minimal steps necessary to guard their own animals from doing
damage to others the sages ruled that they too should be bound by their
own rules in this particular instance.

The passage of the Bible that is discussed here is Exodus 21:35. The
following is a quote from the Torah Temima, a famous commentary
published about a century ago: "Behold, this law referring to the
exemption of payment [in this case] ..... has been used by anti-Semites
to attack our ancient literature ... and this vicious claim is raised
by the haters of Israel in generation after generation, and the wise
men of Israel in each generation have explained that the intent of our
sages was to idol worshippers of
ancient times .... who are no longer found in modern times .... the
Talmud here explains this matter ... [it applies to those] who do not
keep the [seven Noachide commandments] but do the exact opposite, that
is, they do not have a legal system, they permit murder and
licentiousness, robbery ... etc. ... and all the modern nations deny
the rights of such wild people and expel them from the civilized
community .... and you will see that the Talmud itself makes an
exception from this rule to all nations which accept the Noachide
commandments which are the majority of the nations at this time [the
Torah Temima commentary was written about a century ago] and their
status is the same as that of Jews for these laws [and this matter is
so clear and obvious that] no further discussion is necessary."

Similar sentiments were expressed by the Meiri about 700 years ago; in
his commentary on this passage he pointed out that the law applied to
nations who did not care if their animals damaged the property of
others and did not apply to the nations of his time.

>
>     Baba Mezia 24a: Jews May Steal from Non-Jews.  If a Jew finds an
object
> lost by a Gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned.
(Affirmed also
> in Baba Kamma 113b).

Jews may not steal from non-Jews. In the Tosefta Baba Kama (10:8) we
are taught: "It is more grievous to steal from a non-Jew than from a
Jew because of the desecration of G-d's name".

The passage at Baba Mezia 24a deals with a specific religious
commandment requiring Jews to collect lost items, such as stray
animals, care for them, declare them to be lost, and hold them until
the loser comes to identify and claim them. This rule is not universal;
there are times when the loser is deemed to have renounced his
ownership of the lost property and then the rule is 'finders-keepers'.

Jewish law requires Jews to be bound by the 'law of the land' in civil
and commercial matters. Where the law of the land requires the return
of lost objects, Jews are bound by that law as are all residents of
that land. However, in pagan cities the general rule was
'finders-keepers' and the question discussed by this Talmudic passage
is whether in towns with a majority pagan population (where the general
rule is 'finders-keepers') Jews are required to return lost objects to
Jews, and the answer is negative.

The statement made in Baba Mezia 24a is the following: "Come and listen
[these words introduce a statement which will be analyzed in detail] if
he finds a lost article in a place where the majority are Israelites,
he must announce [that he found a lost article and return it to its
owner]; if the majority are Canaanites [and the general rule is
finders-keepers], he need not announce [that he found a lost article or
return it to its previous owner]".

This discussion is amplified in Baba Kama 113b where the discussion
concludes that even if there is no general religious obligation to
return lost objects to heathens in cases where 'finders-keepers' is the
law, nevertheless it is required in cases where failure to return lost
objects might lead to a profanation of G-d's name.

"We find that it is forbidden to steal even from idol worshippers and
those who do not have any kind of legal system ..... but one is not
required to expend efforts to find and return their lost articles, and
in fact one who simply finds their lost articles is not required to
return them .... since return of lost articles is an act of
extraordinary kindness [in places where 'finders-keepers' is the rule]
and we are not required to show this extraordinary kindness to those
who live without laws, but in any event ... in the case of a lost
article it should be returned if th

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Potpourii of Popes' thoughts on the Talmud
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 13:31:22 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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Ms. Jones wrote:

Absolutely nothing worth commenting on. Fancy that!

Philip Mathews

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
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> Oh My Gosh I say little on this list, but that Mathews is the most
> obnoxious, obvious plant I have ever seen.....let him stay though that
> we may see the advesary as I recognize the style of this individual.
>

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Potpourii of Popes' thoughts on the Talmud
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 15:58:55 -0700
From: "Andy" 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: <13texan@egroups.com>

I completely agree, that is why I just delete Mathews before reading
whatever he has to say. Another obnoxious one is Gorman, that one is an
automatic delete as well. Vaya Con Dios, Andy
Subject: [13texan] More Talmudic Blaspheme......
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 20:10:32 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
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    There are three main branches of the Jewish religion: Orthodox, Reform
and Conservative.  The Orthodox is the traditional source of Judaism and is
considered to be at it's heart. Very similar to the Orthodox Judaism is the
Conservative branch, but it offers some greater leeway in observance of the
stringent Jewish laws. more modernistic, the Reform movement is far less
bound by Pharisaic traditions than either of the other branches. The
Encyclopedia Judaic describes the current religious picture of the nation of
Israel:
    There are few Reform or Conservative congregations in the State of
Israel. Orthodoxy is the official religious position in Israel with the
majority of the Rabbis belonging to the old school talmudic jurists. (
"Judaism." Encyclopedia Judaica,
Page 396)
    The tendency within the Jewish Theological Seminary [in New York] has
been emphatically toward a more orthodox stance than exist within it in the
previous generation. ("Conservative Judaism,"Enc. Encyclopedia Judaica, pg.
906)
    The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia is clear on the fact that the Talmud,
not the Torah or the old Testament, is the book of choice for Judaism.
    Thus the ultimate authority for the Orthodoxy is the Babylonian Talmud.
The Bible ranks second to it in reality, if not in theory. (Universal Jewish
Encyclopedia,
"Authority" pg.637)
    The Talmud makes it clear that Jesus is regarded as a "charlatan,"
"magician,"
"seducer," and "deceiver."  The Talmud also says that Jesus was strangled in
a pit of  dung and that the Jews hated him so much they executed him four
different ways! Calling the Holy Bible's account of the crucifixion a lie.
Portraying Christ as the Bastard son of a Harlot and even suggests that he
was a Gentile.
    The Talmud, in some passages even boast that the Jews alone and not the
Romans had executed Christ for his idolatry. This Unholy wretched book full
of blasphemy even states that a Jewish magician brought Christ up from the
dead to
punish him by boiling him in hot semen.
    Here are some more quotes from the Book of Satan, The Talmud....

*** Balaam [Jesus] fornicated with his jackass. (Sanhedrin 105a-b)
*** Jewish priest raised Balaam [Jesus] from the dead and punished him
in boiling semen.(57a Gitten)
*** She was a descendant princes and governors [ the Virgin Mary] played the
harlot with a carpenter (Sanhedrin 106a)
*** Balaam [Jesus] was lowered into a pit of dung up to his armpits. Then a
hard cloth was placed within a soft one, wound round his neck, and the tow
ends pulled in opposite directions until he was dead. (Sanhedren 52b)
Also in Sanhedren 106a it says that he was executed in four different ways.
*** Hast thou heard how old Balaam [Jesus] was?...bloody and deceitful men
shall not live out half their days it follows that he was thirty-three or
thirty-four years old.
(Sanhedren 106)
*** Those who read the uncanonical books [New Testament] will have no portion
of the world to come. (Sanhedren 90a)
*** Jews must destroy the books of the Christians. (Shabbath116a)

Because I expose these Jewish lies in their unholy book I am the Liar. I am
the Hatemonger. Any Christian who would read the verses from the blasphemous
Talmud and not be angered needs to even look at himself. I do not blame any
Jew ,for the revelations of word such as these that I have exposed, to be
angry and afraid at the same time. The cursed Talmud will be destroyed and
God's word will last forever.
Michael Snead
14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Potpourii of Popes' thoughts on the Talmud
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 17:20:07 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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Andy wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
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> I completely agree, that is why I just delete Mathews before reading
whatever he has to say. Another obnoxious one is Gorman, that one is an
automatic delete as well.

In other words you find obnoxious anyone who disabuses you of ignorant
prejudices. Automatic delete will not help you when you face your maker!

Philip Mathews

 Vaya Con Dios, Andy
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Colleen Jones
>   To: 13texan@egroups.com
>   Sent: Saturday, September 04, 1999 12:53 PM
>   Subject: [13texan] Re: Potpourii of Popes' thoughts on the Talmud
>
>
> Oh My Gosh I say little on this list, but that Mathews is the most
> obnoxious, obvious plant I have ever seen.....let him stay though that
> we may see the advesary as I recognize the style of this individual.
>
>
>
>

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Talmud 2 By: Lewis Dent (Willie Martin)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 18:13:38 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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Snead  wrote:

More lies about the Talmud. Let’s look!

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
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> THE TALMUD
>                    2 of 28
>
>     Insults Against Blessed Mary Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus mother
was a
> whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played
the harlot
> with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b it is stated
that in
> the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother,
"Miriam
> the hairdresser," had sex with many men.

No such text exists in the standard Talmuds. There is reference to a
certain Ben Stada who according to R. Eliezer brought knowledge of
witchcraft out of Egypt by making marks on his body. The other sages
dismissed Ben Stada as a fool. In some versions of the Talmud there is
statement to the effect that this person's mother (Miriam Magdala) was
not faithful to her husband. Some commentators specifically point out
for identification purposes that this person was executed in Lod and is
not  identifiable with anyone mentioned in Christian traditions. The
Talmud also notes that the name Miriam Magdala was a very
common one.

>
> Gloats over Christ Dying Young A passage from Sanhedrin 106 gloats
over the
> early age at which Jesus died: "Hast thou heard how old Balaam
(Jesus)
> was?-He replied: It is not actually stated but since it is written,
Bloody
> and deceitful men shall not live out half their days it follows that
he was
> thirty-three or thirty-four years old

The Talmud states that the wicked Bilaam (Numbers 23:24) died after
living only half his allotted time span, in accordance with the
statement in Psalms 55:24, that the wicked do not survive half their
allotted life span. The commentary of Rashi makes it clear that the
reference is to the biblical Bilaam.

>
>     Sanhedrin 43a . SAYS JESUS WAS A SORCERER.  Jesus ("Yeshu" and in
> footnote #6, Yeshu "the Nazarene") was executed because he practiced
sorcery.

Standard versions of the Talmud do not mention anyone with this name.
There is a version which mentions Yeshu HaNotzri who was executed and
who had five students who were also executed. The description of this
Yeshu HaNotzri indicates that he was executed by stoning and that for
forty days before his execution announcements were made looking for
evidence in his favor. The Talmud also indicates that this Yeshu
HaNotzri was extremely friendly with the local Roman government. The
passage describes the way in which the followers of this Yeshu claim
that their names (Mathai, Natai, Netzer, Boni and Toda)
give them immunity from the death penalty and the way they were
answered (by passages from the bible connecting their names with death
or execution). As the description of the person involved does not fit
the descriptions given in Christian traditions it would appear that it
is not referring to the same person.

>
>     Horrible Blasphemy of Our Lord Gittin 57a . Says Jesus ( see
footnote #4)
> is being boiled "hot excrement".

"Onkelos the son of Kalonikos the nephew of Titus wished to convert."
The Talmud relates that he used witchcraft to raise Titus, his wicked
uncle, from the dead and asked him whether he should convert to
Judaism. His uncle was so filled with hatred against the Jews that he
advised his nephew to be hostile to them, despite the fact that they
are so close to G-d and despite the fierce punishment he endured after
his death for his own hostility to Israel. Onkelos then called up
Bilaam who had similar comments. Then he raised up 'the sinners of
Israel' who advised him to join Israel since anyone who troubled the
Jews
is considered as if he troubled G-d. Onkelos asked what punishment the
sinners of Israel had to endure and was told they were judged in
boiling excrement as is fitting for all those who ridicule the words of
the sages.

It may indeed be the case that there are manuscripts which name Yeshu
HaNotzri as one of the sinners of Israel in the context of this passage
but it is not clear who that person was (see item [CLAIM 34] above).
More generally it may be said that while Judaism differs sharply from
Christianity in many matters of theology and interpretation of
historical events, attacking the founder of the Christian faith as a
wicked person is not a central or even peripheral element of Jewish
theology.

>
>     Sanhedrin 43a . Jesus deserved execution: "On the eve of the
Passover,
> Yeshu was hanged...Do you suppose that he was one for whom a defense
could be
> made? Was he not a Mesith (enticer)?"

In the common versions of the Talmud this quote does not exist.
Generally speaking the person Yeshu referred to in Talmudic texts
cannot be absolutely identified with anyone described in Christian
tradition.
>
>     Attacks Christians and their Books Rosh Hashanah 17a . Christians
> ("minim") and others who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be
punished
> there for all generations (see footnote #11 for the definition of
minim).

At Rosh Hashanah 17a the Talmud quotes agadic passages regarding
punishment after death. The passages describe those who will undergo a
short period of punishment, those who will suffer for a longer period
and those who will suffer eternally. In this latter group are Jewish
heretics of various categories, the religious leaders of idol
worshipping religions, those who abuse their authority and those who
mislead the public and cause them to sin, such as Jeroboam.

With respect to the religious leaders of the pagans, Meiri, one of the
most famous commentators on the Talmud wrote (about 700 years ago):
"... we have already explained that ..... [the references are to] the
nations of long ago who were not bound by the ways of religion but were
deeply involved in the worship of idols and stars ..." (Meiri at AZ
26).

In one version of this text this group includes Jews who have betrayed
their own religion. According to the Ein Yaakov these apostates are the
Sadduccees. In the uncensored text of Rashi (the prime commentator on
the Talmud) these apostates are described as the students of Yeshu
HaNotzri who have twisted the words of the Torah. This version is not
found in standard Rashi commentaries on the Talmud. See comments to
item [CLAIM 35].

The teaching is directed against Jews who become apostates, not against
Christians. In fact the Talmud makes it plain in another passage
(Shabbat 116a) that there is a significant difference between those who
knowingly choose heresy and those who are born into it and commentators
also emphasize this important distinction.
>
>     Sanhedrin 90a . Those who read the New Testament (uncanonical
books, see
> footnote #9) will have no portion in the world to come.

In this passage Rabbi Akiva held that those who read 'external books'
forfeit their place in the World to Come. The Talmud discusses (San
100b) the exact meaning of 'external books' and suggests they refer to
the books  of the Sadduccees. (The books of the new Christian religion
did not exist at the time of R. Akiva, certainly not in their present
form, but it is quite likely that the reference is to all works which
interpret the Written Torah in a manner opposed to that transmitted by
the sages.)

Commentators point out that the term 'reading' is meant to be
understood as reading these works on a permanent basis, and not as
reviewing them for a legitimate purpose.

>
>     Shabbath 116a (p. 569). Jews must destroy the books of the
Christians,
> i.e. the New Testament. See footnote #6.

The Talmud discusses the prohibition against carrying on the Sabbath in
certain areas and deals with the question of saving Torah scrolls from
a fire in such areas. In certain cases it is permitted to save a Torah
scroll from a fire by carrying it on the Sabbath and the Talmud
discusses whether this rule applies to Torah scrolls written by Jewish
heretics ('minim'). The passage reports a comment from Rabbi Tarfon
that if these scrolls came to his hands he would burn them despite the
fact that G-d's name is written in them.

This passage has been understood by the codifiers of Jewish law to deal
with a Torah scroll containing G-d's name when the scribe who wrote
such name had heretical thoughts when he wrote G-d's name. Where the
intention was idolatrous then the Torah scroll should be burned. There
are stringent rules regarding who may write a Torah scroll and how it
is to be written. It is thanks to the great care taken by scribes
throughout the ages that we have accurate bibles today. If a Torah
scroll was not written with idolatrous intentions then it can be
retained and read privately no matter who wrote it (Aruch HaShulchan YD
281).

>
>     Israel Shahak reports that the Zionists burned hundreds of New
Testament
> books in Occupied Palestine on March 23, 1980 (cf. Jewish History,
Jewish
> Religion, p. 21).

This 'report' has nothing to do with the Talmud. Israel Shahak is a
contemporary Israeli writer well known for his virulent hatred of
Judaism and Zionism. His writings are featured on anti-Semitic web
sites such as Radio Islam.

>
>     Sick and Insane Teachings Gittin 69a . To heal his flesh a Jew
should
> take dust that lies within the shadow of an outdoor toilet, mix it
with honey
> and eat it.

In Gittin 69a the Talmud
discusses the medical practices and beliefs of the time of the Talmud.
The commentaries (Tos at MK 11a) make it clear to any reader that such
remedies have not been held to be effective or applicable for many
centuries. To the extent that these remedies are not metaphorical
agadic passages they were included in the Talmud to show that the sages
were well-versed with the medical knowledge of their age, and not as
religiously sanctioned medicine. In fact when it became apparent that
such remedies had no healing powers it became forbidden by Jewish law
to use them.
>
>     Shabbath 41a. The law regulating the rule for how to urinate in a
holy
> way is given.

The Jews believed you should try to do everything in a way that was
pleasing to God. Why is that "sick and insane"?
>
>     Yebamoth 63a. States that Adam had sexual intercourse with all
the
> animals in the Garden of Eden.

This passage of the Talmud describes various teachings in the name of
Rabbi Elazar on the importance of marriage and the great merit of
having a good wife. Rabbi Elazar shows how these ideas are contained in
the biblical text (Gen. 3:20-23). Verse 23 reads "This time it is bone
of my bones and flesh of my flesh" and Rabbi Elazar states that since
the verse teaches us that 'this time' Adam found a mate, there is an
implication that there were previous times when he did not find a mate,
and he states that Adam "came on" to all the animals but his "mind was
not satisfied" until he "came on" Eve. In Hebrew the term "came on" is
often used to describe intercourse and this is the simplistic literal
translation of this passage.

This passage is a classical example of agadic literature and must be
understood metaphorically (as the commentators point out). One
commentator (Anaf Yosef) suggests that this agada teaches the
importance of marriage. He explains that Adam reflected that the
purpose of animal mating is primarily for the propagation of the animal
species. Adam's "mind was not satisfied" with this concept of mating
because, as the commentator explains, "... the mating of a man is
different [from that of animals], for a man who lives with a woman not
only benefits the species [by reproduction] but also benefits his own
body and
soul ..." in accordance with the Talmudic teaching that a man who lives
without a wife lives without Torah and without the closeness of the
Divine Presence. Adam was satisfied only when he found a mate with whom
he could have a relationship that transcended an animal relationship.
>
>     Yebamoth 63a . Declares that agriculture is the lowest of
occupations.

Ezekiel 27:28 states that the seamen of Tyre will 'descend' from their
ships to the land. Rabbi Elazar noticed that this verse could be
interpreted to mean that working the land is the lowest of all
occupations. Commentators explain Rabbi Elazar's comment in different
manners. One explains that the verse teaches that the worst and lowest
form of slavery is the slavery of a field worker. Another explains that
in the future there will be special blessings attached to agricultural
work and everyone will abandon all other work in order to work in
agriculture and participate in these special blessings (as described in
Zecharia
8:12). Another commentator notes that in fact agricultural work is the
work that is best suited to appreciation of G-d's bountiful mercy and
divine providence and that the term 'lowest' of occupations means that
it is the occupation which is most suited to the development of the
trait of humility. (Eitz Yosef)
>
>     Sanhedrin 55b . A JEW MAY MARRY A THREE YEAR OLD GIRL
(specifically,
> three years "and a day" old).

It is the manner of the Talmud to examine extreme theoretical cases in
order to precisely define and delineate legal concepts. Such study is
mandated because the laws are part of the Written and Oral Torah, not
necessarily because they have practical application.

There are different legal consequences arising from an act of
intercourse (related to personal status, punishment for rape, property
rights etc.) and the Talmud investigates whether such an act committed
on a baby girl has the status of intercourse or not. There is an
ancient tradition that states that if the girl is older than the age of
three then an act of intercourse was committed; before that age, such
an act does not have the status of sexual intercourse for legal
purposes (it may be an act of assault, of course).

The passage in question states as follows: "A girl of three years and a
day is [capable of being] married by an act of intercourse ..." and the
Talmud continues to list further legal consequences of an act of
intercourse (laws of personal status, property etc.).

The reference to marriage refers to a case in which the father of the
girl delivers his daughter to a man with the intention that he create a
marriage bond with his daughter by having relations with her. From a
legal point of view this procedure creates a marriage with all the
legal consequences that flow therefrom. This is a legal conclusion
which has nothing to do with rabbinic endorsement of such practices or
with the number of such occurrences in history.

In fact the rabbis strongly opposed formation of the marriage bond by
intercourse (at any age) and punished those who acted in such manner
(Kidushin 12b). They further taught that the father's right to marry
off his daughter was to be used for her benefit. The age and manner of
marriage is to a large extent a societal variable but at Kidushin 41a
the rabbis taught: "It is forbidden for a man to betroth his daughter
while she is young [but rather he should wait] till she has grown and
says 'This is the one I want [to marry]" and this teaching is repeated
elsewhere in the Talmud.
>
>     Sanhedrin 54b . A JEW MAY HAVE SEX WITH A CHILD AS LONG AS THE
CHILD IS
> LESS THAN NINE YEARS OLD.

The discussion here revolves around the age at which a male child is
capable of having relations that have the full legal ramifications and
penalties of intercourse. The entire discussion is related to an
analysis of the penalty for such action (which could be a capital
offense), and the passage states: "intercourse with a child of nine and
a day is not the same as that with a child of nine". As mentioned, this
statement is made in the context of the nature of the penalty to be
applied, and whether it is of a capital nature or not. See also the
remarks in item [CLAIM 45].
>
>     Kethuboth 11b . "WHEN A GROWN-UP MAN HAS INTERCOURSE WITH A
LITTLE (three
> year old) GIRL IT IS NOTHING BECAUSE HER VIRGINITY WILL GROW BACK."

The statement is that "when a grown-up man has intercourse with a
little girl it is as nothing [in terms of creating a marriage bond with
the consequent legal ramifications] since for girls less [than three
years old] it is as if he put his finger into her eye ...". In other
words the act may be an act of assault but it does not create a legal
binding marriage unless the child is over the age of  three. See the
discussion under item
>
>     Yebamoth 59b . A woman who had intercourse with a beast is
eligible to
> marry a Jewish priest. A woman who has sex with a demon is also
eligible to
> marry a Jewish priest.

(a) It is the manner of the Talmud to explore every possibility
including the most bizarre and extreme cases. The requirement to study
the Torah includes examination of such extreme cases. Further,
exploration of the extreme cases allows precise delineation of delicate
legal principles. The passage in question deals with the law that
forbids a Jewish priest to marry a 'zonah', which is commonly but
incorrectly translated as a prostitute. The Talmud investigates whether
a woman who had
relations with an animal falls into this category.

(b) Th[e] [second] sentence does not exist in the standard versions of
the Talmud (it also does not exist in the Soncino translation which I
examined).

>
>     Abodah Zarah 17a. States that there is not a whore in the world
that
> Rabbi Eleazar has not had sex with.

It hardly needs saying that the Talmud and Jewish law impose strict
codes of sexual behavior and the passage in question contains a major
discussion of the evils of prostitution.

In this passage the Talmud discusses the power of true repentance. It
points out that sometimes penitents who repent of terrible religious
sins such as idol worship die as a result of the remorse they feel over
their past. The Talmud recounts the story of a man called Eliezer Ben
Dordia (he is not mentioned anywhere else in the Talmud) who was in the
habit of visiting prostitutes. The Talmud relates the tremendous
internal struggle he undertook as part of his repentance and how he
died as a result of the remorse he felt. A 'bat kol' (an echo of a
heavenly voice) was heard declaring that "Rabbi" (a title of
distinguished
honor) Eliezer was invited to the World to Come, that is, his sins had
been forgiven through his powerful act of repentance and further he had
been posthumously awarded the title "Rabbi".

The greatest rabbi of the age, the redactor of the Mishna, Rebi, wept
when he heard this story and declared that there are some who gain
their share of the World to Come from years of constant effort, while
there are others like Eliezer Ben Dordia who gain their share in a
moment (of intense repentance), and not only is their repentance
effective but in Heaven they are referred to by the title of "Rabbi"
(as per the 'bat kol').
>
>     Hagigah 27a . States that no rabbi can ever go to hell.

At Hagiga 27a a passage of agada states that "the fire of Gehinom will
not overcome a scholar as it says ..." and the Talmud employs a
literary flourish based on a verse in Jeremiah to prove this point.
This statement is followed by another literary flourish from the Song
of Songs to prove that "The fire of Gehinom will not overcome the
sinners of Israel". These literary flourishes represent the optimistic
belief that even those who sin will, after a period of punishment, gain
their place in the World
to Come.

>
>     Baba Mezia 59b. A RABBI DEBATES GOD AND DEFEATS HIM. GOD ADMITS
THE RABBI
> WON THE DEBATE.

It is part of Jewish belief that G-d granted certain rights of biblical
interpretation and legislation to the sages and rabbis. At Baba Mezia
59b the Talmud makes the point that disputes concerning such
interpretation and legislation must be settled by majority vote in
accordance with the rabbinical understanding of Exodus 23:2 and not by
invoking claims of prophecy or special signs or miracles. This point is
made in the graphic and metaphorical manner of agadic literature by
describing a debate
on a point of law between Rabbi Eliezer (sole opinion) and the majority
of rabbis.

Rabbi Eliezer tried to prove his point by invoking various miracles and
even a 'bat kol' (heavenly echo) to show that G-d supported his
position, but nevertheless his opponents insisted that the rule of the
majority prevailed. The story ends by describing how Elijah the Prophet
noted that on that day G-d himself smiled and admitted that his sons
had defeated him in debate.

>
>     Gittin 70a . The Rabbis taught: "On coming from a privy (outdoor
toilet)
> a man should not have sexual intercourse till he has waited long
enough to
> walk half a mile, because the demon of the privy is with him for that
time;
> if he does, his children will be epileptic."

Much of Judaism is concerned with separating the holy from the unholy.
This teaching is concerned with separating the (unholy) act of going to
the bathroom and the holy act of having relations with one's wife.
Similarly, it is forbidden to pray in the presence of excrement or bad
smells, etc..

>
>     Toilet and excrement obsessions are laced throughout Talmud and
were
> exhibited in Spielberg*s Schindlers List where the Hollywood director
shows a
> Jewish child jumping through a toilet seat in an outhouse and falling
into a
> pool of liquefied excrement. There the child meets two other Jewish
children
> partially immersed who inform the interloper that this cesspool is
their
> hiding spot exclusively and that he must find his own. These are the
kind of
> disgusting and morbid, psychotic images which Jewish kids are exposed
to
> constantly in the cinematic liturgy of Holocaustianity and for that
matter,
> in the Talmud as well.

If after seeing Schindler's list this guy can say anything against Jews
he is a psychopath. Actually, the poor boy who hid in the outhouse did
so in order to save his life from the "clean German anti-Semites" who
would not go close to the outhouse (they most probably suffer from OCD).

>     Gittin 69b (p. 329). To heal the disease of pleurisy ("catarrh")
a Jew
> should "take the excrement of a white dog and knead it with balsam,
but if he
> can possibly avoid it he should not eat the dogs excrement as it
loosens the
> limbs."

The true statement does not relate to a Jew rather to any human. This
is an extract from a scientific procedure of ancient gentile doctors
and this medicinal compound together with the rest of the other
remedies mentioned there have been eradicated hundreds of years ago
from Jewish law. By the way, the earth over there would be very rich in
vitamin B12 which originates from sludge.

>
>     Pesahim 111a. It is forbidden for dogs, women or palm trees to
pass
> between two men, nor may others walk between dogs, women or palm
trees.
> Special dangers are involved if the women are menstruating or sitting
at a
> crossroads.

In this passage of agada the rabbis in Babylon refer to various
stratagems to avoid witchcraft. The passage also reports that the sages
in the Land of Israel did not concern themselves with some of these
matters. These stratagems were based on the prevailing beliefs at the
time and in at least one case a stratagem is reported in the name of a
non-Jew who was an instructress for local witches. The Talmud
summarizes the discussion with the following sentence: "As a general
rule, those who are worried about such things may be affected by them;
those who are not worried about them are not affected by them". The
Meiri, a
commentator who lived some seven centuries ago wrote at the beginning
of his commentary on this passage of agada as follows: "In a few places
we have explained that in those times people believed in chants .. [and
other similar beliefs] ... and the sages did not try to uproot these
beliefs unless they were related to idolatry ..... and certainly [they
did not try to uproot these beliefs] where the people were so
accustomed to them that they could derive strength or suffer weakness
on their account, and
we see this in this passage where it states 'those who are worried
about such things may be affected by them; those who are not worried
about them are not affected by them'".

Most modern readers would probably agree with the Meiri that this
passage expresses an important psychological truth about the power of
suggestion and mass belief.

>
>     Menahoth 43b-44a . A Jewish man is obligated to say the following
prayer
> every day: Thank you God for not making me a Gentile, a woman or a
slave.

Gentiles, women and slaves were not obligated under Old Testament lawn
to follow *all* the laws of the Torah. This was a prayer of thanks for
having been commanded to follow all of the law.

>
>     Shabbath 86a-86b . Because Jews are holy they do not have sex
during the
> day unless the house can be made dark. A Jewish scholar can have sex
during
> the day if he uses his garment like a tent to make it dark.

This relates to the sanctification of marriage and the requirement to
always be modest. Marital relations are considered an essential part of
Jewish married life and the husband must do his utmost to provide for
the needs of his wife. The requirement to do this in the dark ensures,
apart from modesty, that the physical appearance of the husband or wife
is unimportant and what matters is making the act itself holy and
satisfying for both people in order to improve the marital bond. The
leniency allowed for a scholar is because he is more likely to be aware
of these requirements. In any case, this leniency only applies to
scholars in extenuating circumstances.

>
>     Tall Tales of a Roman Holocaust Here are two early "Holocaust"
tales from
> the Talmud: Gittin 57b . Claims that four billion Jews were killed by
the
> Romans in the city of Bethar. Gittin 58a claims that 16 million
Jewish
> children were wrapped in scrolls and burned alive by the Romans.
(Ancient
> demography indicates that there were not 16 million Jews in the
entire world
> at that time, much less 16 million Jewish children or four billion
Jews).

These passages are part of agadic passages which are literary
flourishes. The exact quotes are as follows:

"The voice is the voice of Jacob, and the hands are the hands of Esau";
the [first] voice [in the passage is the voice of weeping of Jacob's
children and] refers to Hadrian Caesar who in Alexandria of Egypt
killed sixty multitudes upon sixty multitudes, twice as many as left
Egypt [at the time of the Exodus]; the [second] voice [of weeping] of
Jacob refers to Vespasian Caesar who in the city of Betar killed 400
multitudes, and some say 4000 multitudes, and 'the hands are the hands
of Esau' refers to the wicked Empire [of Rome] which destroyed our
House [i.e. the temple] and burned our sanctuary and exiled us from our
land; another interpretation that can be attached to this verse is
...."

".... there were 400 synagogues in the great city of Betar and in each
one there were 400 teachers of children and each one taught 400
children .... [and the enemy] wrapped them in their scrolls and set
them on fire".

It is clear we are dealing with literary flourishes and poetical forms
of expressing the magnitude and pain of a great tragedy and not with
evidence of a documentary nature based on painstaking research to which
we have become accustomed in modern times.

>
>     A Revealing Admission Abodah Zarah 70a . The question was asked
of the
> rabbi whether some wine stolen in Pumbeditha might be used or if it
was
> defiled, due to the fact that the thieves might have been Gentiles (a
Gentile
> touching wine would make the wine unclean). The rabbi says not to
worry, that
> the wine is permissible for Jewish use because the majority of the
thieves in
> Pumbeditha, the place where the wine was stolen, are Jews

Wine touched by a Gentile is neither defiled nor unclean. However, it
is forbidden for a Jew to drink it. In medieval times the story was
told of an anti-Semite who accused the Jewish doctor of a king of
secretly hating the king. The anti-Semite asked the king to offer his
doctor a glass of wine and see the Jew's reaction. When the Jew
declined to drink the wine the king demanded an explanation. The doctor
reportedly ordered a bowl of water to be brought and washed the king's
feet in it. Afterward he drank the water and explained that the
prohibition against drinking wine was a religious law and had nothing to
do with the wine becoming 'unclean' or any feeling of animosity toward
the king.

As far as the thieves of Pumbeditha, it is quite true that the majority
of thieves there were Jewish. The reason is that Pumbeditha was a town
which was almost entirely Jewish.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Potpourii of Popes' thoughts on the Talmud
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 19:38:25 -0600
From: Ed Kadach 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

At 03:58 PM 9/4/99 -0700, Andy wrote:
>    Mathews before reading  whatever he has to say. Another obnoxious one
>is Gorman, that one is an  automatic delete as well. Vaya Con Dios, Andy
>----- Original Message -----    From:    Colleen    Jones    To:
>13texan@egroups.com    Sent: Saturday, September 04, 1999 12:53    PM
>Subject: [13texan] Re: Potpourii of    Popes' thoughts on the Talmud
>                    Oh My Gosh I say little on this list, but that Mathews
>is the most obnoxious, obvious plant I have ever seen.....let him stay
>though that we may see the advesary as I recognize the style of this
>individual.
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Well Mathews, you sure do know how to win people over to your side.

Regards,

Ed Kadach

"All truth passes through three stages. First,
it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
---Schopenhauer

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Subject: [13texan] Re: View of the Jews
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 19:47:47 -0600
From: Ed Kadach 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

At 12:38 PM 9/4/99 -0700, philnanc-@aol.com wrote:

>Save you sanctimony, I notice your here responding. I'm sure my time is
>much better spent than yours, especially in the eyes of the Lord. That
>hate's gonna eat you up yet Eddie!
>
>Regards to a racist,
>
>Philip Mathews

What do you do, just sit at your computer waiting for just anyone to write
so you can make a fool of yourself. You're a tired man(?) Mathews, just read
the response you gave very carefully to yourself. Now, don't lie to us and
say
it makes perfect sense to you. Heck, you know what the scary part is, maybe
it
does make sense to you.

Take care now, get some rest,

Ed Kadach

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it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
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Subject: [13texan] Re: Talmud 2 By: Lewis Dent (Willie Martin)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 19:54:33 -0600
From: Ed Kadach 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

At 06:13 PM 9/4/99 -0700, philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
>Snead  wrote:

More of the truth about the talmud.

>
>More lies about the Talmud. Let’s look!

Yawn!!!



>Philip Mathews

Get some rest.

Ed Kadach

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it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
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Subject: [13texan] Jewish Insecurity
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 21:58:51 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

The vile hatred that the Jew will have when you expose their hate, lies and
their beliefs. Their Holy Talmud is full of prejudices against the non Jew
and even goes as far as to call them racial names. The old trick of the Jew
is when you expose them, they want to label you as anti-Semitic. Then when
you don't let that phase you they will denounce your intelligence. They
accuse you of being a liar. Ask asinine questions. Use your remarks to twist
and turn to their advantage. Refuse to ask the simple questions that you ask.
    Not confrontational in a sense that they are insecure about themselves in
stature and looks. They are only users and feed on the weak and innocent.
They have been known to use  little children for their sexual pleasure
because a real adult is intimidating to them.
    To call others names and to question others intelligence is a way that
they try to elevate themselves above the reproach that they live under
because of the Talmud. This insecure race of people has done to much damage
to the Aryan people for me to be politically correct, So Jews, Do what you
did in Russia and make anti-semitism a capitol crime to shut my mouth.
To God be the Glory,
Michael Snead
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Subject: [13texan] POLL: Philip Mathews
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 19:25:05 -0700
From: sneadster@aol.com
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Do you think that Philip Matthews is a....
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Please select one of the following:

   o Talmudic Rabbi
   o An Aryan race traitor
   o A Dung pivot man on a Camel Farm
   o confused gentile
   o a koshered pickled drunk
   o Willie Martin playing a trick on us
   o a Jew looking for attention
   o aFence riding pharisee/sadducee

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Potpourii of Popes' thoughts on the Talmud
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 19:36:13 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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Kadach wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=803
> At 03:58 PM 9/4/99 -0700, Andy wrote:

> >    Mathews before reading  whatever he has to say. Another
obnoxious one
> >is Gorman, that one is an  automatic delete as well. Vaya Con Dios,
Andy
> >----- Original Message -----    From:    Colleen    Jones    To:
> >13texan@egroups.com    Sent: Saturday, September 04, 1999 12:53
PM
> >Subject: [13texan] Re: Potpourii of    Popes' thoughts on the Talmud

> >                    Oh My Gosh I say little on this list, but that
Mathews
> >is the most obnoxious, obvious plant I have ever seen.....let him
stay
> >though that we may see the advesary as I recognize the style of this
> >individual.
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> >
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>
> Well Mathews, you sure do know how to win people over to your side.

Eddie Kadach makes his usual content free contribution. Remember Eddie,
the lurkers just listen. I notice you've stopped using the "Racialist
Regards" closing to your posts. Trying to hide something from the list
Eddie?

Philip Mathews

>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Kadach
>
> "All truth passes through three stages. First,
> it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
> ---Schopenhauer
>

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Subject: [13texan] Re: View of the Jews
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 19:44:49 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

Eddie Kadach wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
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> At 12:38 PM 9/4/99 -0700, philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> >Save you sanctimony, I notice your here responding. I'm sure my time
is
> >much better spent than yours, especially in the eyes of the Lord.
That
> >hate's gonna eat you up yet Eddie!
> >
> >Regards to a racist,
> >
> >Philip Mathews
>
>
>
> What do you do, just sit at your computer waiting for just anyone to
write
> so you can make a fool of yourself.

What is it you do? Are you not doing the same thing? It must be very
frustrating for you not being able to mount much of an attack of
defense for your hateful, stupid, mindless philosophy. Frankly Eddie,
you're just not good enough!

 You're a tired man(?) Mathews, just read
> the response you gave very carefully to yourself.

I'm not tired at all. How could I become tired jousting with your ilk?
I do a couple of other things while I'm exposing your nonsense. Don't
you ever have anything to say on the topics being discussed, or are you
too frightened of exposing your pathetic ignorance. Don't bother to
answer.

 Now, don't lie to us and
> say
> it makes perfect sense to you.

If it doesn't why are you not showing why? I know, that would mean
demonstrating some understanding of what is being discussed, and since
you don't have a clue, you'll just nibble around the edges like a
starving rodent hoping to get his full before someone swats him good.

 Heck, you know what the scary part is, maybe
> it
> does make sense to you.

Poor Eddie, couldn't win an argument with his mangy dog!

>
>
> Take care now, get some rest,

I'm taking care, and prisoners. Work on your excuses for St. Peter.

Regards to a racist,

Philip Mathews

>
> Ed Kadach
>
> "All truth passes through three stages. First,
> it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
> ---Schopenhauer
>

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Potpourii of Popes' thoughts on the Talmud
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 20:47:18 -0600
From: Ed Kadach 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

At 07:36 PM 9/4/99 -0700, Mathews wrote:
>Kadach wrote:

>> Well Mathews, you sure do know how to win people over to your side.
>
>Eddie Kadach makes his usual content free contribution. Remember Eddie,
>the lurkers just listen.

I'll be darned. The lurkers just sit there and "listen". To what,
their hearts beating? Like I said you do need to rest.

"WE MUST SECURE THE EXISTENCE OF OUR PEOPLE AND A
                FUTURE FOR WHITE CHILDREN."

Regards,

Ed Kadach

 I notice you've stopped using the "Racialist
>Regards" closing to your posts. Trying to hide something from the list
>Eddie?
>
>Philip Mathews

"All truth passes through three stages. First,
it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
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Subject: [13texan] Re: Jewish Insecurity
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 19:58:12 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=806

> The vile hatred that the Jew will have when you expose their hate,
lies and
> their beliefs. Their Holy Talmud is full of prejudices against the
non Jew
> and even goes as far as to call them racial names.

Poor Snead is angry because his posts on the Talmud have been exposed
as lies, part of his mindless campaign of hatred against Jews. Notice
he makes no attempt to defend his exposed lies, that's because he knows
nothing of the Talmud, he merely posted lies he found on some website
because they said bad things about Jews.

 The old trick of the Jew
> is when you expose them, they want to label you as anti-Semitic.

The old trick is to post the truth in response to the lies of
antisemites. As you can see when that is done they don't discuss the
Talmud, they run and hope not to have anymore of their ignorance
exposed.

 >Then when
> you don't let that phase you they will denounce your intelligence.
They
> accuse you of being a liar. Ask asinine questions. Use your remarks
to twist
> and turn to their advantage. Refuse to ask the simple questions that
you ask.

None of this was done of course. Snead posted a collection of well
known canards about the Talmud. I demolished them, and his only
response is the above. Clearly he doesn't have the strength of his
convictions or he would respond to the Talmud rebuttals. But we know
why he can't, don't we!


>     Not confrontational in a sense that they are insecure about
themselves in
> stature and looks. They are only users and feed on the weak and
innocent.
> They have been known to use  little children for their sexual
pleasure
> because a real adult is intimidating to them.

Notice how he continues with this tirade of hate, angered at having his
lies exposed. He now resorts to even wilder accusations, which have
even less foundation than his Talmud lies. He's just not up to the
task. He has the desire to lie, but not the ability or fortitude to
defend them.

>     To call others names and to question others intelligence is a way
that
> they try to elevate themselves above the reproach that they live
under
> because of the Talmud.

I live under no reproach. Snead, however, lives under the reproach of
his lies, which he is afraid to defend, and his mindless hatred of
Jews, which he will one day have to defend to his maker.

 This insecure race of people has done to much damage
> to the Aryan people for me to be politically correct,

Snead, who doth protest too much, is the insecure one (races of people
are not insecure, but a racist wouldn't know that) and political
correctness has nothing to do with antisemitsm.

So Jews, Do what you
> did in Russia and make anti-semitism a capitol crime to shut my mouth.

Another lie. Pretty pathetic performance actually.

> To God be the Glory,

God abhors everything you stand for.

Philip Mathews

> Michael Snead
> 14/88
>

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Subject: [13texan] Re: POLL: Philip Mathews
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 20:02:12 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=807
> Do you think that Philip Matthews is a....

Methinks someone, having had their lies shoved down their throat, is
now resorting to childish games.

How does it feel, Snead, to discover that your hateful beliefs are so
easily exposed and refuted, and your ability to defend yourself, so
lacking?

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Potpourii of Popes' thoughts on the Talmud
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 22:04:17 CDT
From: "David Griffin" 
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

>From: sneadster@aol.com
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>Subject: [13texan] Potpourii of Popes'  thoughts on the Talmud
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>    To speak the truth and to be called a hater is
>exactly what Jesus Christ had to endure when he
>faced the self-rightous Jews during his journeys
>here on earth. The sins of the Satanic off springs
>will surely be their demise. I personally hate a
>lie but not the liar. I hate the hate in it's self
>but not the hater.
>    The followiing are some of the past Popes'
>thought's  on the Talmud:
>***Gregory IX Condemned the Talmud as containing, every
>kind of vileness and blashphemy against the Christian
>doctrine."
>***BenidictXIII His Bull on the Jews(1450)Decalred
>"the herisies, vanities and the errors of the Talmud
>prevent the Jews from knowing the truth."
>***InocentIV Burned the Tlmud in 1233 as a book of evil
>***John XXII Banned the Talmudin 1322
>***JuliusIII Papal Bull Contra Hebreos retinentes Libros
>(1554)ordered the Talmud burnt "everywhere"
>***Paul IV BullCum Nimis Absurdum (1555) powerfully
>condemned Jewish usery and anti-Christian activities.
>***Pius IV Condemned Jewish Gonocidal writings.
>***Pius V expelled allJews from Papal States because
>of their evil writings of Christians and Gentiles.
>***Gergory XIII said in a Papal Bull of 1581, "Moved
>By an entence hatred of the members of Christ, they
>continue to plan horrible crimes againt the Christian
>Religion with daily increasing audacity."
>***Clement VIII condemned Jewish genocidal writings.
>    Am I a hater for posting what I have read from great
>religious Leaders of the past? Am I wrong to tell the
>truth? It seems funny that when you tell the truth the
>Jew gets flustered and accuses you of being a liar.
>Antisemetic.Says you are the Hatemonger. Have you also
>noticed that the Talmud and the Holocaust has to be so
>eminently defended?
>Michael Snead
>14/88

Yes, Michael...so true....and have you ever noticed that even "Messianic
Jews" will speak against the Talmud?....even though the Talmud speaks of
Jesus in such a vile manner?....go figure.....I've asked "Messianic Jews" to
repudiate the evil doings of the Jews mentioned in Holy Writ; and have never
had even one speak against these evil deeds, or the evil spoken of in their
Talmud....Was Luther wrong?...I think not!

Hail Jesus' Victory!
David

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Potpourii of Popes' thoughts on the Talmud
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 20:06:32 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Kadach wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=809
> At 07:36 PM 9/4/99 -0700, Mathews wrote:
> >Kadach wrote:
>
> >> Well Mathews, you sure do know how to win people over to your
side.
> >
> >Eddie Kadach makes his usual content free contribution. Remember
Eddie,
> >the lurkers just listen.
>
>
> I'll be darned. The lurkers just sit there and "listen". To what,
> their hearts beating? Like I said you do need to rest.

You've said nothing, as is your usual contribution. A fact lurkers will
realize as evidence of the emptiness of your "philosophy". I wish I
could clone a dozen of you Eddie, you make it so much easier!


>  I notice you've stopped using the "Racialist
> >Regards" closing to your posts. Trying to hide something from the
list
> >Eddie?

No answer I see, must have struck a nerve.

Regards to a racist,

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Potpourii of Popes' thoughts on the Talmud
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 20:10:24 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Griffin wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=813
>
>
>
> >From: sneadster@aol.com
>
> >    To speak the truth and to be called a hater is
> >exactly what Jesus Christ had to endure when he
> >faced the self-rightous Jews during his journeys
> >here on earth. The sins of the Satanic off springs
> >will surely be their demise. I personally hate a
> >lie but not the liar. I hate the hate in it's self
> >but not the hater.
> >    The followiing are some of the past Popes'
> >thought's  on the Talmud:
> >***Gregory IX Condemned the Talmud as containing, every
> >kind of vileness and blashphemy against the Christian
> >doctrine."
> >***BenidictXIII His Bull on the Jews(1450)Decalred
> >"the herisies, vanities and the errors of the Talmud
> >prevent the Jews from knowing the truth."
> >***InocentIV Burned the Tlmud in 1233 as a book of evil
> >***John XXII Banned the Talmudin 1322
> >***JuliusIII Papal Bull Contra Hebreos retinentes Libros
> >(1554)ordered the Talmud burnt "everywhere"
> >***Paul IV BullCum Nimis Absurdum (1555) powerfully
> >condemned Jewish usery and anti-Christian activities.
> >***Pius IV Condemned Jewish Gonocidal writings.
> >***Pius V expelled allJews from Papal States because
> >of their evil writings of Christians and Gentiles.
> >***Gergory XIII said in a Papal Bull of 1581, "Moved
> >By an entence hatred of the members of Christ, they
> >continue to plan horrible crimes againt the Christian
> >Religion with daily increasing audacity."
> >***Clement VIII condemned Jewish genocidal writings.
> >    Am I a hater for posting what I have read from great
> >religious Leaders of the past? Am I wrong to tell the
> >truth? It seems funny that when you tell the truth the
> >Jew gets flustered and accuses you of being a liar.
> >Antisemetic.Says you are the Hatemonger. Have you also
> >noticed that the Talmud and the Holocaust has to be so
> >eminently defended?
> >Michael Snead
> >14/88
>
> Yes, Michael...so true....and have you ever noticed that even
"Messianic
> Jews" will speak against the Talmud?....even though the Talmud speaks
of
> Jesus in such a vile manner?....go figure.....I've asked "Messianic
Jews" to
> repudiate the evil doings of the Jews mentioned in Holy Writ; and
have never
> had even one speak against these evil deeds, or the evil spoken of in
their
> Talmud.

Why don't you cite excerpts of the Talmud you believe reflect these
views and we can discuss them. Or are you just lying through your teeth?

...Was Luther wrong?...I think not!

That is true, you think not!
>
> Hail Jesus' Victory!

Your evil, hateful message has nothing to do with Jesus' victory. You
will answer to him one day.

Philip Mathews

> David
>
> ______________________________________________________

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Potpourii of Popes' thoughts on the Talmud
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 22:17:37 CDT
From: "David Griffin" 
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Subject: [13texan] Re: POLL: Philip Mathews
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 23:40:26 -0500
From: kelsey 
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As I have not followed his conversation
I cannot select one of the following,  but
I am interested in your findings.  This is a
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sneadster@aol.com wrote:

> Do you think that Philip Matthews is a....
> ----
>
> Please select one of the following:
>
>    o Talmudic Rabbi
>    o An Aryan race traitor
>    o A Dung pivot man on a Camel Farm
>    o confused gentile
>    o a koshered pickled drunk
>    o Willie Martin playing a trick on us
>    o a Jew looking for attention
>    o aFence riding pharisee/sadducee
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Subject: [13texan] Talmud the book of intolerance
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 11:27:02 EDT
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The follow is an article that Willie Martin wrote that I felt the necessity
to share with all of you at this point. Some of the parts of the Talmud are
repeated from what I posted but I didn't want to change what he has worked so
hard to write.
Michael Snead
14/88

The Talmud
       4

    The GEMERA section of The Talmud serves as a commentary on the MISHNAH
and is the product of about three centuries of Jewish teaching. It comes from
an Aramaic word which means "the learning," or "commentary" on the MISHNAH.

The Babylonian Talmud covers a "tracate" of some 63 volumes which will fill a
12 foot bookcase. It is huge. It takes for granted that its students have a
full knowledge of Jewish "cultic purity."

    Cultic impurity is acquired by coming into contact with what is called a
"Father, child or offspring of uncleanliness." For instance, contact with a
dead body, contact with a person having a transmittable disease, objects made
of metal, wood, bone or cloth are also believed to be "fathers of
uncleanliness," if they have been touched by a dead body.

    Food and liquids also can be considered unclean. But unclean food does
not render dishes or eating utensils unclean. A liquid that has been made
unclean by coming into contact with a "father of uncleanliness" will make a
vessel unclean if it touches the inside of the vessel. If food touches a
person or vessel which is unclean, it automatically becomes unclean. It is
not always necessary to wash your hands before eating to prevent uncleanness,
but do as Rav taught and cover them with a napkin.

    It is this Pharisaical nit-picking over uncleanliness which Neusner calls
"literary greatness," but which caused Jesus to address the Pharisees in
Matthew 23:25-27 in the following manner: "Woe unto you, scribes and
Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the
platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. Thou blind
Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the
outside of them may be clean also. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees,
hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear
beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all
uncleanness."

    In Mark 7:3-9 the Christ said: For the Pharisees, and all the Jews,
except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the
elders. And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not.
And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the
washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables. Then the Pharisees
and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition
of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands? He answered and said unto
them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This
people honoureth me (God) with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
How be it in vain do they (the Jews) worship me, teaching for doctrines the
commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the
tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like
things ye do. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of
God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

    This is the stupidity of Judaism as it is taught by The Babylonian Talmud.

    The rabbis reveled in nit-picking. For example, they wrote that any
common food which they deemed unclean would be unfit for the Temple heave
offering. They even went as far as to declare "four removes," which were
stages of uncleanliness.

    The rabbis who wrote these purity rules ("commandments of men" as Jesus
called them) were common folks in Babylon who pretended they were priests.
They were the remainder of the Judahites from the House of Judah who were in
exile for their sins. They pretended that they were eating a meal in the
Temple in Jerusalem at the table of God. At this time, the Temple had been
destroyed and there was no such thing as a Jewish nation in existence
anywhere. The bulk of the House of Judah had been carried away by the
Assyrians who scattered them among the House of Israel so that they, too,
(just as the northern tribes of Israel) lost their identity as a kingdom. The
rabbis taught that by adhering to the rules they laid down, one could change
the commonplace into the holy. This captured the puzzling notion that if one
preserved the purity of a slice of bread, for instance, you somehow changed
it into "holy shew bread." As a result of these nit-picking rules of men,
which became the "traditions of men" Jesus spoke about, the Jews were taught
to eat their meals in an atmosphere of "cultic purity." Uppermost in their
minds was that every aspect of ritualistic eating must be fulfilled. To their
way of thinking, that began with the traditional grace before meals which
said: Blessed art thou, Lord our God, King of the world, who brings forth
bread from the earth.

    Therefore the food they ate had to be prepared with special ritualistic
procedures. We are not speaking here of the foods forbidden by the Scriptures
such as pork or shell fish, but of Kosher food which had to be approved by
the rabbi to be clean.

    The following example will illustrate the ridiculous trivia they mandate
and require of their congregations. The rabbi of the House of Shammai will
say, "He wipes his hands with the napkin and lays it on the table, for if you
say 'non the cushion' it is a precautionary decree lest the liquids which are
on the napkin become unclean because of the cushion and when the napkin is
used, it makes the hands unclean."

    Another interesting observation is that a Jew may eat "unconsecrated"
food without washing his hands, but it becomes a sin if "consecrated food" is
eaten with unwashed hands. Talk about splitting hairs!

    The Babylonian Talmud was originally written in both Hebrew and Aramaic,
and most of The Palestinian Talmud was written in Hebrew. The use of these
languages is not accidental. Therefore, we find that part of The Babylonian
Talmud known as the TANNAIM, which is comprised of "statements of standard
law" are in Hebrew, while the comments and analysis of the AMORAIN, are in
Aramaic. The editor's remarks are normally in Aramaic. Those parts written in
Hebrew will appear in normal type, while the Aramaic bits will be in Italics.
Boldfaced type is used for portions of the MISHNAH and the TOSEFTA.

    The idea that the "canon" (body of law) was completed at Mt. Sinai is not
accepted by the rabbis. They say that later teachings of the rabbis,
including that which was taught by themselves, are revelations from God. This
means that the basis for Judaistic belief is constantly open to new canonical
authoritative doctrines on both the law and Jewish theology. One group of
rabbis holds the position that: "You must first clean your house and then
wash your hands," while the other adamantly states: "If you say wash the
hands first, it turns out that you spoil the food." On the Sabbath, an
orthodox Jew is not supposed to move something from the private to the
domestic domain. The arguments between the rabbis surge back and forth as the
various houses vie for supremacy until the ordinary Jew is uncertain of what
course he should take.

    The religious Jew takes for granted that he may make decisions regarding
the Gentiles, or more accurately, the "goyim." Now most of the goyim could
care less whether or not the Jews say a blessing over their candles; or the
manner in which they sniff the incense, or sip their wine.

What difference does it make to us how the Jews do these things? However, the
orthodox Jew believes it makes a great deal of difference. Since the Jews in
most ages had very little control over the outside world, the world of the
Gentiles, the rabbis made a grand issue of enormous consequences the simplest
actions on the part of the Jew. When a man sat at the table to eat, his
napkin had to be placed in the correct position or it would become unclean.
In this, he thought he was the priest in the holy Temple.

    The rabbis managed to take the common things of life and turn them into
things of great importance. So the Jews were taught that if they obeyed God,
no one would ever rule over them, but if they disobeyed, the heathen would
get the upper hand. This, by the way, is the belief of most Kingdom Movement
people, and for once, the Jewish rabbis were right.

    Another Talmudic rule has to do with spices and incense. One rabbi says
that if a Jew is walking outside a village in which most of the inhabitants
are non-Jews and he smells a scent, he does not bless the smell. However, if
most of the people who live in the village are Jews, he blesses it. Another
rabbi says that even if most of the villagers are Jews, the Jew may not bless
the smell because Jewish women use incense for witchcraft. Another rabbi
says: "If a Jew is walking in a Gentile market and is pleased with the scent
of their spices, he is a sinner." And on and on it goes!

    These teachings are utterly inconsistent with the teachings of Moses, and
they are constantly arguing over non-essentials just as Christian monks once
did during the Middle Ages when a great argument raged over how many angels
could dance on the head of a pin.

    Arguments over whether to say "Amen!" over a blessing when you have only
heard part of it; whether to say "Amen!" after the blessing given by children
in a schoolhouse; whether to say a blessing when there is no oil available;
whether a physically dirty person is unfit to say grace; these are all part
of the nit-picking that goes on between the rabbis.

    An interesting, yet completely nauseating aspect of The Babylonian Talmud
is the robust sexuality of its laws concerning sex and women in particular.
For instance, the rabbis love to refer to a couple who have intercourse all
night long and they promise blessings to those who have sex two or more times
in a night. In fact, the more often the better as far as the rabbis are
concerned. But the sex act must be done properly according to their
ritualistic law.

    In their theory, if an unmarried man is legally engaged and has sexual
relations with an unmarried woman, the couple are considered to have
consummated a legitimate marriage union and are recorded as being legally
married. This is somewhat contrary to any law Moses ever recorded from God!

    The Torah prevents a woman from having sex during her menstrual cycle.
Then the discussion arose among the rabbis over whether it was better to have
sex in the light, or in the dark. Was it all right to have sex in any other
than a private condition? The pious could have sex in the dark, while the
ultra-pious cleared the bedroom of flies and mosquitoes before they engaged
in the act. Nothing was said about whether this was for religious purposes,
or for the comfort of the couple so engaged.

    The rabbis seemed to believe that a shy, modest person could not learn,
so they minced no words when it came to graphic description of the sex act.
Much of it was so filthy that it would not do to include it in this book. If
you want to know why the average Jewish person seems obsessed with sex, just
read The Talmud.

    Dr. Neusner freely admits on page 279 in his Invitation to the Talmud,
that The Talmud is "peculiarly modern in its systematic skepticism, its
testing of each proposition.... The Talmudist's first question is 'What is
the reason?"' He goes on to say that the Talmudic approach is to reason
things out, rather than accept them on faith. It was this Jewish thinking
that came close to destroying 20th century Christianity through the "higher
criticism" of German-Jewish scholars.

    Dr. Benjamin Freedman, a converted Jew, in his extraordinary book, Facts
are Facts! said: For every ounce of good you accomplish through the
conversion of a self-styled Jew to the Christian faith, you do a ton of harm
in another direction. Regardless of what anyone, anywhere and anytime may
say, events of recent years, everywhere, have established beyond the question
of doubt, that the Christian faith stands with its foot in the grave and the
other on a banana peel, speaking figuratively.

    The Christian faith stands at the crossroads of its destiny. The Divine
and Sacred mission of the Christian faith is in jeopardy today to a degree
never witnessed before in its 2,000 years of history.

    If the day ever arrives when Christians can no longer profess their
faith, as they profess it now in the Free World, then it will see the
beginning of its last days.

    The history of the world for the past several centuries and in current
events at home and abroad, confirms the existence of a conspiracy to destroy
Christian civilization. The world-wide plot of these diabolical conspirators
has been implemented while most Christians have been asleep. The Christian
clergy seem to be more ignorant, or indifferent to this plot than other
Christians. They seem to bury their heads in the sands of indifference and
ignorance. This has dealt a severe blow to the Christian faith.... Christians
need a spiritual Paul Revere to ride across the land, warning that their
enemies are closing in on them.

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Subject: [13texan] History of Judaism in the New World
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 11:47:29 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
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The follow is an article that Willie Martin wrote that I felt the necessity
to share with all of you at this point. Some of the parts of the Talmud are
repeated from what I posted but I didn't want to change what he has worked so
hard to write.
Michael Snead
14/88

THE TALMUD
5

History of Judaism in The New World

    Chapter Four

    The history of Judaism in the New World actually began with Columbus'
trip to the West Indies. On August 2, 1492, over 300,000 Jews were expelled
from Spain under royal edict because of their treacherous dealings with the
invading Moors from North Africa and for their unscrupulous business
practices. In many instances during the height of the Moorish invasion,
cities which were under attack by the Moslem hordes had their gates opened
from within by Jews who had been befriended by the city's inhabitants. On
August 3,1492, Christopher Columbus set sail to the west in an attempt to
find a short-cut passage to China. He took a group of five Jews with him.
These were not refugees by any definition, but were wealthy, prominent
businessmen who hoped to make a financial killing on the gold they expected
to find.

    The old wives'  tale that Queen Isabella sold her jewels to finance this
trip will not stand up under historical research. These Jews, who were known
as "maranos," had converted to Catholicism because it was to their advantage
to do so. At this time they wielded great influence in the Spanish court.
Luis de Santagel, who was an important Valencian merchant and the royal tax
collector, was one of these men who went with Columbus. Another was Gabriel
Sanchez, a relative of Santagel who was the royal treasurer of Spain. Their
mutual friend, the Jew Juan Cabero, the royal chamberlain in charge of the
royal house accompanied them also.

    There were four other Jews associated with this epic journey. Columbus'
interpreter, Luis de Torres; his surgeon, Marco, Benal, a physician; and
Alonzo de Ia Calle. Luis de Torres was the first European to set foot ashore
in the New World and the first to discover the use of tobacco.

    These Jews worked on Queen Isabella's imagination by telling her that
Columbus would discover unheard of riches, and that they would be able to
convert thousands to Catholicism. Isabella, being a very devout Catholic, was
moved by this to give her consent to the voyage. Santagel himself advanced
17,000 ducats, equal to about 50,000 pounds in modern money.

    All of the Jews who accompanied Columbus were richly rewarded for the
part they played in this work, and they repaid Columbus by betraying him
through a conspiracy engineered by the ship's doctor, Benal. Columbus landed
in a Spanish prison.

    From the very beginning, Jews gravitated to the New World, many settling
in what is now Brazil. But due to expected Jewish conduct, they were forced
to emigrate and headed north where they ended up in the Dutch colony under
Peter Stuyvesant, in what is now New York state. Stuyvesant had experience
dealing with the Jews in Holland and was reluctant to allow them into the
colony, but allowed them to remain because of the large sums of money they
invested in the Dutch East Indies Company. It is the same old story of greed
on the part of so-called Christians.

    From their base in New York, they became the backbone of the African
slave trade, owning most of the slave ships which plied the waters between
Africa and the New World with their pitiful passengers. Records in the public
library in Boston, Massachusetts, show the names of the Jewish owners of
these slave ships. They also owned most of the distilleries in the area which
distilled the rum that became a media of exchange for slaves in Africa.

    Jews were at first forbidden to enter public service, or open retail
stores in the thirteen colonies so they went into foreign trade. They made
New York City the principle port in the New World and this city has been
their paradise of gain ever since. To the International Jews, it is their
capital city. Some Jewish leaders in recent years have boldly declared that
the United States is their "Promised Land," and that New York City is their
"New Jerusalem."

    By the time of the American Revolution, there were about 4,000 Jews in
the colonies, most of them well-to-do traders. They helped the revolutionary
cause by lending large sums of money at exorbitant interest rates to the
revolutionists.

    By 1850, the Jewish population had increased to over 3,300,000. It would
be impossible today to list all the businesses controlled by American and
International Jews in this country, or to intelligently estimate the enormous
power they have over our government.

    From the height of their economic pinnacle, they control the entire
Babylonian money system of finance and industry. There is not a citizen among
us, man or woman, rich or poor, who does not in some way pay tribute to
Jewish money power. You can count on your fingers the preachers, politicians,
industrialists and educators who are not debtors to the Jews and therefore
not under their power.

    Jewish financial power resembles an "imp" which one cannot see, yet he
has his fingers in every pocket. He is especially experienced in the art of
seduction, having received his training from the "master seducer" of all.
(See John 8:44) He speaks to the captive Christian world and sneeringly says:
Worship me, and I will give you all of this; I will lead you to happiness.
This is the same tempting promise his spiritual father made to Christ in
Matthew 4:8 and 9. While he promises happiness, his promises lead to slavery
and horrible death.

    At the end of the Napoleonic Wars, a Jew from Frankfort, Germany, by the
name of Rothschild, borne on the wave of the power of gold, rose to
phenomenal prominence in Europe. He became the visible head of this Jewish
world power. All other Jews bowed to him. He was the king of world finances
and commanded the masses of world Jewry, as sure as Adolf Hitler ever
commanded the army of the Third Reich. It is impossible to calculate the
influence of this family for they had countless billions of dollars in wealth
and, at their beck and call, presidents and kings cringed at their spoken
word. They were as much the ruler of the world as any crowned head of state,
and their subjects were the countless millions who toiled in every country to
add to
their power and wealth.

    In the twentieth century this European Jewish family was challenged in
the New World by another Jewish dynasty, that of the Rockefeller clan. These
people hid their Jewishness under the facade of Protestantism and engaged in
a life and death financial struggle for world supremacy.

    The profits acquired by these international Talmudist bankers were used
to improve their social standings. They mingled with and intermarried into
some of the most prominent families of Europe and America, even into the
royal family of Britain. Their longing for supremacy in the Arts and Sciences
was part of their longing to be recognized by the cream of society. This
meant that they had to acquire power in literature, medicine, and public
education while controlling the professions of Law and Journalism. This they
set out to do.

    Today, Jewish journalists form a closely connected, powerful combine
composed of the most clever and industrious minds of Jewry who are dedicated
to the furtherance of International Talmudic Judaism. They have appropriated
the right to intervene in foreign affairs to the point where their
Anti-Defamation League of the B'nai B'rith (an unregistered agent of the
Israeli government, operating illegally yet with impunity in American
affairs) controls the American Congress. Powerful politicians, such as
Senator J. William Fulbright of Arkansas and Senator Percy of Illinois have
learned to their sorrow the price of bucking Zionist interests in Washington,
D.C.

    As Jews attained social status, they invaded the Christian world and
brainwashed Christians of various religious hues into accepting a false
theology that placed the Christ-haters in the position of being God's Chosen
who can do no wrong. Blinded by Jewish cries of "world brotherhood," and from
the cries of the National Council of Churches who epitomize apostate
Christianity, the clergy of America are befuddled by the humane appearances
of Jewish theories and seem incapable of perceiving the danger which
threatens the Christian world with extinction. Samuel Untermeyer, who
arranged for the International Boycott Conference in Amsterdam, Holland, in
July 1933, stated: ... the holy war ... in which we (Jews) are embarked, is a
war which must be waged unremittingly... the Jews are the aristocrats of the
world... this boycott must be against all German goods and services... we
will drive the last nail in the German coffin. This was long before there was
any sign of pressure against the Jews in Germany.

    During World War II, the Administration of President Franklin Delano
Roosevelt was literally overrun by Zionist Jews. There is mounting evidence
which has been surfacing over the years which proves that America was
deliberately led into World War II by the Zionist interests in Roosevelt's
Administration.

    The Hon. Henry L. Stimson, Secretary of Defense during world War II,
wrote in his daily diary for November 21,1941, two weeks prior to Pearl
Harbor: The President called a cabinet meeting this morning and told us that
he wanted us to be at war with Japan, but that he did not want it to appear
to the public that the United States had fired the first shot. Roosevelt then
went ahead to knowingly provoke the Japanese into an overt attack on Pearl
Harbor. This intrigue, better known as treason, came at a time when Roosevelt
was mesmerizing the American public with his "Fireside Chats," in which his
theme was, "Ah hate wah! And we'll nevah send American boys to fight on fawen
soil. Nevah! Nevah! Nevah!" All this while he was actively engaged in plans
to do just that!

    When Harry Truman succeeded F.D.R. in the seat of power in Washington, he
carried on in Roosevelt's footsteps and on May 15,1948, gave official
recognition to the terrorist government of the bandit State of Israel in
Palestine. Truman called these terrorists a "peace loving nation," which had
come into being through terrorist methods. Since that day, we have poured
countless billions of tax dollars into shoring up this little bandit state,
and by doing so have completely alienated the Moslem world which was at one
time our staunch ally.

    The pathway to Talmudic subservience has continued ever since, through
the Administrations of: Harry Truman; Dwight David Eisenhower, who was of
Swedish Jewish extraction; Lyndon Baines Johnson; Richard Milhouse Nixon;
Gerald Rudolph Ford; James Earl Carter; Ronald Wilson Reagan, and now George
Herbert Walker Bush. In actuality, President Bush has been the only president
since WW II who has ever said "No!" to the Zionists.

    Rather than endure the smears which they knew would come their way if
they bucked Zionist interests in Washington, the vast majority of Congress
have been willing to sell future generations of Americans into virtual
slavery to the Talmudic internationalists. They have become, for the most
part, spineless, egotistical people so taken up with the importance of their
political positions, that they believe they can do no wrong. They have become
guilty of the grossest hypocrisy of all times, as they deliberately evade the
one and all-important issue of who is controlling America. They are willing
to cooperate in the destruction of their own white race for a little
momentary security, popularity and power.

    There is no need in this book for me to provide the details of
Communism's Jewish origin, both of its brains and its financing. Suffice to
say that leading Jews have boasted for years of the part they played in its
establishment and success. It can be summed up in two statements; one made in
The London Jewish Chronicle, April 4,1918:
... there is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself; in the fact that so many
Jews are Bolshevists; in the fact that the ideals of Bolshevism are consonant
(in agreement) with the finest ideals of Judaism and a statement made by the
Red Rabbi, Stephen S. Wise some years later. When asked his opinion of
Communism, he said: Some call it Communism; I call it Judaism.

    We will see the finest teaching of Judaism as they come into agreement
with the teachings of International Communism in The Talmud. The Jewish plan
for world conquest is not new. It was begun in the dusty halls of ancient
Babylon and has been carried on, secretly for the most part, until today it
stands on the verge of success. In 1902, the Grand Sanhedrin of
Constantinople laid down their Vengeance Protocol which called for them to
corner the control of the world's wealth. The Jewish Council which met at
Basile, Switzerland in 1879, drew up a far-reaching plan for world conquest
which has become known as the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion which
contains the "blueprint" for a world conquest. World Jewry, and their stooges
in the Christian world, call this work a counterfeit. But we must remember
that before there can be a counterfeit there must first be an original, and
one accomplished at forgery makes his copy as close to the original as
possible. So the question is not whether the Protocols are a forgery, but
whether world-Jewry is following their plan. "By their fruits ye shall know
them" and since the turn of the twentieth century, World Zionism has marched
to the plan of the Protocols.

    I will not go into the long and fascinating account of how World Jewry
gained control of American economics. This account is fully documented in my
book, The Great Conspiracy ,$3.00 pp. which details how the Talmudists gained
control over the economy of America.

    The Jewish writer, Maurice Samuels, in his book, You Gentiles, on page 23
states: I do not believe the primal difference between Gentiles and Jews is
reconcilable. You and we may come to an understanding, but never a
reconciliation. There will be irritation between us as long as we are in
intimate contact.

    The Apostle Paul termed it: Contrary to all men.. (I Thessalonians 2:15)

    On page 155 of this same book, Samuels says: We Jews, we the destroyers,
will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will ever meet our demands.

    Jeremiah, the Old Testament prophet, said in Jeremiah 9:5 and 6: And they
will deceive every one his neighbor, and will not speak the truth: they have
taught their tongue to speak lies, and weary themselves to commit iniquity.
Thine habitation is in the midst of deceit; through deceit they refuse to
know me, saith the Lord.

    While the brainwashed preachers of America have told their people that
the Jews are the Chosen People, the risen Son of God, Jesus our Lord and king
said to them in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9: "...I know the blasphemy of them
which say they are Jews, and are not, but are of the synagogue of Satan."

    Our Fundamentalist and Evangelical Christian churches are inspiring the
enemy of Christianity by putting a cloak of respectability around the
Talmudic enemy. If the truth were known among Christians at large, the
Talmudists would come tumbling down from their lofty perch. How the
Talmudists must laugh in secret as they see national religious leaders such
as Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson glorify God's worst enemies.

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Working on:
 "Jews Who Have Denounced the Talmud"
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BY: MICHAEL SNEAD

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Potpourii of Popes' thoughts on the Talmud
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 13:19:09 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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Griffin wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=816

>
> Deleted 9 philnancy messages that were posted only today....does this
guy
> work??

Perhaps I don't need to labor over them as much as you!

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Phony Holohoax Numbers
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 19:10:12 PDT
From: "Jeanne-Marie Zimmerman" 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Part I

Excerpt from "Freedom From Bible Slave Law", by L. Clifford Cheney (1998),
footnote #96:

A good place to start understanding the Zionist aims for the Jewish
take-over and control of the world would be the writings of Douglas Reed,
especially his books, Behind the Scene (a reprint of Part Two of Far and
Wide), with focus on the section entitled "Six Million Lost and Found" in
the Chapter entitled "Zionism Paramount, and The Controversy of Zion, along
with Henry Ford Sr.'s book, The International Jew: The World's Foremost
Problem.

There are compelling reasons to believe that the so-called holocaust never
existed. Page 223, in The Diary of Anne Frank, Pan Horizons edition, Pan
Books Ltd., London, 1989, indicates that the size of AUSCHWITZ, the most
notorious of all German work camps, WAS VERY SMALL, with only 11,000 people
(many of whom may not even have been Jews) being evacuated by the Germans at
the time of the Russian advance in 1945. Certainly, compared to Spielberg's
film, Schindler's List (which Emilie Schindler, Oskar's widow, said was full
of lies), and other Jewish propaganda, that millions upon millions of Jews
were systematically exterminated, 11,000 people is a very small number.
Simple arithmetic tells us that the Germans would have had to have had
hundreds of camps, or else they would have had to exterminate 137 people PER
HOUR, in order for six million Jews to have been exterminated at such small
camps as Auschwitz, a feat that would have been humanly impossible
considering that, according to Douglas Reed's Behind the Scene and The
Controversy of Zion, a mere 850,000 soldiers and others were killed by the
entire German and Japanese war machines combined during  WWII (see p.397-400
of Douglas Reed's book Controversy of Zion). People who would believe the
Jewish propaganda that six million Jews were exterminated by Hitler must
KEEP IN MIND THE SMALL SCALE CONSTRUCTION OF AUSCHWITZ AND THE VERY FEW
OTHER GERMAN WORK CAMPS THAT EXISTED DURING WWII.

On July 13, 1994, a documentary on the life of Charles A.Lindbergh
broadcast on the Public Broadcast System (PBS - KENW-TV) said that when
Lindbergh visited one of these few camps in Germany following WWII, he was
told that 25,000 died in 1-1/2 years. Again, simple arithmetic tells us that
25,000 times a half dozen camps does not equal 6,000,000. In fact, it
doesn't even equal 600,000.
Obviously, nobody will ever know for sure what the absolute truth is
regarding the number of people killed in any war but the idea that six
million Jews were systematically exterminated by Hitler does not stand the
test of the available data, nor of common sense.
End Part I

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Phony Holohoax Numbers
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 19:37:07 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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Ms. Zimmerman worte:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=821
> Part I
>
> Excerpt from "Freedom From Bible Slave Law", by L. Clifford Cheney
(1998),
> footnote #96:
>
> A good place to start understanding the Zionist aims for the Jewish
> take-over and control of the world would be the writings of Douglas
Reed,
> especially his books, Behind the Scene (a reprint of Part Two of Far
and
> Wide), with focus on the section entitled "Six Million Lost and
Found" in
> the Chapter entitled "Zionism Paramount, and The Controversy of Zion,
along
> with Henry Ford Sr.'s book, The International Jew: The World's
Foremost
> Problem.

Jewish take over of the world! What a joke. Only the dimest of the dim
believe such foolishness, and most of them are a tad too smart to admit
to such idiocy in public. Ms. Zimmerman apparently is willing to
believe any antisemitic lie ever told and post it in her never ending
effort to smear Jews.

>
> There are compelling reasons to believe that the so-called holocaust
never
> existed.

This ought to be good!

 Page 223, in The Diary of Anne Frank, Pan Horizons edition, Pan
> Books Ltd., London, 1989, indicates that the size of AUSCHWITZ, the
most
> notorious of all German work camps, WAS VERY SMALL, with only 11,000
people
> (many of whom may not even have been Jews) being evacuated by the
Germans at
> the time of the Russian advance in 1945.

Nice try. This doesn't refer to the size of the camp, but the
population at the end of the war as the Soviet troops approached. All
but a few thousand and been killed or shipped out. The remainder were
forced into the notorious "death marches" back to Germany, and many
died. Auschwitz held as many as 120,000 people at its busiest. Just
over 1.4 million Jews were shipped into Auschwitz during its life,
raising the interesting question of where they disappeared to.

 >Certainly, compared to Spielberg's
> film, Schindler's List (which Emilie Schindler, Oskar's widow, said
was full
> of lies),

Another lie from someone who apparently has no compunction about
telling them.

> and other Jewish propaganda, that millions upon millions of Jews
> were systematically exterminated, 11,000 people is a very small
number.

The correct interpretation of that number and the numbers througout the
war have now been provided, demonstrating your point to be silly.

> Simple arithmetic tells us that the Germans would have had to have had
> hundreds of camps, or else they would have had to exterminate 137
people PER
> HOUR, in order for six million Jews to have been exterminated at such
small
> camps as Auschwitz, a feat that would have been humanly impossible
> considering that, according to Douglas Reed's Behind the Scene and
The
> Controversy of Zion, a mere 850,000 soldiers and others were killed
by the
> entire German and Japanese war machines combined during  WWII

There were five main death camps where the Jews killed by gas died.
There were dozens of other camps not primarily death camps where many
died nonetheless. Over 1 million were shot by the Einsatzgruppen in
Easten Europe. And many died in the various ghettos awaiting transport
to the camps. The numbers killed by Germans and Japanese armies
numbered into the many millions. Only an ignorant Nazi apologist would
post such an obviously false number.

(see p.397-400
> of Douglas Reed's book Controversy of Zion). People who would believe
the
> Jewish propaganda that six million Jews were exterminated by Hitler
must
> KEEP IN MIND THE SMALL SCALE CONSTRUCTION OF AUSCHWITZ AND THE VERY
FEW
> OTHER GERMAN WORK CAMPS THAT EXISTED DURING WWII.

You don't know what you're talking about, as I've shown. The
Auschwitz-Birkenau camp was part of a 25 sq. mile zone and it could
accomodate well over 100,000 people at a time.

>
> On July 13, 1994, a documentary on the life of Charles A.Lindbergh
> broadcast on the Public Broadcast System (PBS - KENW-TV) said that
when
> Lindbergh visited one of these few camps in Germany following WWII,
he was
> told that 25,000 died in 1-1/2 years. Again, simple arithmetic tells
us that
> 25,000 times a half dozen camps does not equal 6,000,000. In fact, it
> doesn't even equal 600,000.

That's 25,000 deaths at a camp which wasn't even intended as a death
camp. The death camps were in Poland and 5 in particular figured in the
death of millions. Simple arithmetic based on ignorant assumptions is
meaningless.

> Obviously, nobody will ever know for sure what the absolute truth is
> regarding the number of people killed in any war but the idea that six
> million Jews were systematically exterminated by Hitler does not
stand the
> test of the available data, nor of common sense.

It stands the test very well. What doesn't stand the test is Ms.
Zimmerman's lies. She clearly relies on the ignorance of her audience
in posting such foolishness and evidently will post any lie, no matter
how outrageous, to smear Jews and rehabilitate Nazis.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] German Institute of Contemporary History's Estimate of Jews killed
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 19:47:02 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Concerns:  Number of victims of the Nazi tyranny
In reference to your letter which arrived here on 9/3/92.

Dear Mr. Dr. Keren:

In answer to your above mentioned request we send you in a separate
mailing by air mail book-post a composition achieved in house,
concerning "The killing of humans through gas in the extermination-
and concentration camps under the Nazi tyranny" in which you will find
answers to your questions # 1,2 and 4.

The victims of the operation groups of the security service and the SD
behind the German frontier in the Russia-campaign were to the by far
largest part Jews. Their number is estimated to be at least 900,000.

The difference between the total of the victims of the gassings cited
in the above mentioned composition and the number of victims of the
operation groups and the total of roughly 6 million victims of the Nazi
persecution of the Jews results from the fact that a very high
percentage
of the victims have lost their lives through indirect extermination
actions such as the method "destruction through work", bad treatment,
under nourishment, epidemics, exhaustion during forced transportations
etc.

About 120,000 people were killed through the Nazi "Euthanasia"-actions.

Concerns: The killing of people through gas in the extermination and
concentrations camps under the Nazi power

The systematic murdering of humans through gas during the Nazi rule was
introduced for the first time from January 1940 on in the area of the
"Euthanasia", the extermination of the "lives not worthy to live" of
the handicapped, mental patients and the terminally ill, and from fall
1941 on was continued to a much larger extent by the pogroms of the
operation groups of the security police and the SD in the seized eastern
areas with the help of mobile gas vans.

Beginning December of 1941 one proceeded in the camp Kulmhof (Polish
Chelmno) to use stationary gas vans for the killing of Jews, and from
the beginning of 1942 in different camps fixed gas chambers were built,
or already existing buildings were restructured for this purpose.

One needs to differentiate by the furnishing of such gas chambers and
the
gassing actions carried out within them between the mass gassings of
Jews
in the extermination camps build for that purpose and the gassings of
smaller scale in individual, already existing concentration camps
(whereby
patients, seized forced laborers, war prisoners, and political prisoners
among others were also victims)

The following extermination camps existed:

Kulmhof i.e. Chelmno (in the then Wartheland), where between December
1941 and fall 1942 and again from May until August 1944 gassings by
means of carbon monoxide from motor exhaust gas took place. Altogether
more than 150,000 Jews as well as 5000 gypsies have hereby been killed.

Belzec (in the district Lublin of the then general governments): from
march to December 1942 in the beginning in three, later in six large gas
chambers by means of carbon monoxide from motor exhaust gas altogether
about 600,000 Jews were killed here.

Sobibor (district Lublin, general government) received in April 1942
three, later in September 1942 six gas chambers and until October 1943
it was "in operation". During this period at least 200,000 Jews have
been murdered through carbon monoxide gas.

Treblinka (district Warschau, general government) from the end of July
1942 on had three gas chambers and received at the start of September
1942
furthermore ten larger gas chambers. Up to the dissolution of the camp
in
November 1943 altogether 700,000 Jews were killed here by carbon
monoxide.

Majdanek (district Lublin, general government): The concentration camp
existing since September 1941 turned into an extermination camp when
between
April 1942 and November 1943 mass shootings took place to which 24,000
Jews
fell victim. In October 1942 also two, later three gas chambers were
built.
In the beginning the killings in these were done by means of carbon
monoxide, soon however one was using Zyklon B (a highly poisonous
insecticide made
from cyan hydrogen). Up until the dissolution of the camp in March 1944
about 50,000 Jews have been gassed.

Auschwitz-Birkenau (in the formerly polish, in 1939 adjoined to the
"Reich"
upper eastern Silesian area, south eastern of Kattowitz): The
extermination
camp in Birkenau, established in the second half of 1941, was joined to
the concentration camp Auschwitz, existing since May 1940. From January
1942 on in five gas chambers and from the end of June 1943 in four
additional large gassing-rooms gassings with Zyklon B have been
undertaken. Up until November 1944 more than one million Jews and at
least
4000 gypsies have been murdered by gas.

In the following concentration camps gas chambers were established and
have
gone into operation:

Mauthausen (upper Austria): From fall 1941 on one gas chamber existed
which
was operated with Zyklon B. In addition, gassings with carbon monoxide
took
place through gas vans which were driven between Mauthausen and it's
side-camp Gusen. Altogether more than 4000 have been killed here
through gas.

Neuengamme (southeastern of Hamburg): From fall of 1942 on gassings with
Zyklon B were undertaken here in a "Bunker" prepared for that, about 450
victims.

Sachsenhausen (Province Brandenburg, north of Berlin) received mid March
1943 a gas chamber which was operated with Zyklon B. Several thousand
people fell victim to the gassings, a more specific number cannot be
determined.

Natzweiler (by Struthof, Elsass): From August 1943 to August 1944 a gas
chamber existed here in which between 120 and 200 people were killed
through
Zyklon B in order to be able to dissect their skeletons for the
Anatomica
Institute of University of Strassburg.  Back then this institute was
managed
by a chief company commander of SS Prof. Dr. August Hirt.

Stutthof (east of Danzig) had from June 1944 on one gas chamber in which
more than 1000 were killed by Zyklon B.

Ravensbruck (Bradenburg, north of Berlin): Here still in January
1945 a gas chamber was established;  the number of the people killed
in it was at least 2300.

Dachau (Upper Bavaria, northeast of Munich): During the establishment of
a new house of cremation in 1942 also a gas chamber was established in
it
in which in connection with the medical experiments of the chief company
commander of SS Dr. Rascher also a few experimental gassings were
undertaken,
as more recent research has confirmed. (On that see Gunther Kimmel:
The Concentration Camp Dachau. A study of the Nazi crimes of violence in
Bavaria in the NS-time II, edited by Martin Broszat and Elke Froehlich,
Munich, R. Oldenburg Press, 1979, P. 391.) Larger gassing operations
have not taken place in Dachau.

The above mentioned numbers of the people killed in the gas chambers of
the individual camps are only approximations.  They also only refer to
the
people killed in gassing operations. The number of the Jews killed in
Europe due to the effects of the Nazi tyranny amounts, according to the
newest research to at least 5.29 million. Possibly, however, also more
than six million.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: More Talmudic Blaspheme......
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 19:48:29 -0700
From: maddison@connexus.net.au
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

maddiso-@connexus.net.au wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=800

> Because I expose these Jewish lies in their unholy book I am the
Liar. I am
> the Hatemonger. Any Christian who would read the verses from the
blasphemous
> Talmud and not be angered needs to even look at himself. I do not
blame any
> Jew ,for the revelations of word such as these that I have exposed,
to be
> angry and afraid at the same time. The cursed Talmud will be
destroyed and
> God's word will last forever.
> Michael Snead
> 14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: German Institute of Contemporary History's Estimate of Jews killed
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 00:08:22 -0400
From: jsavage 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

philnancy@aol.com wrote:
>
> Concerns:  Number of victims of the Nazi tyranny
> In reference to your letter which arrived here on 9/3/92.
>
> Dear Mr. Dr. Keren:
>
> In answer to your above mentioned request we send you in a separate
> mailing by air mail book-post a composition achieved in house,
> concerning "The killing of humans through gas in the extermination-
> and concentration camps under the Nazi tyranny" in which you will find
> answers to your questions # 1,2 and 4.
>
> The victims of the operation groups of the security service and the SD
> behind the German frontier in the Russia-campaign were to the by far
> largest part Jews. Their number is estimated to be at least 900,000.
>
> The difference between the total of the victims of the gassings cited
> in the above mentioned composition and the number of victims of the
> operation groups and the total of roughly 6 million victims of the Nazi
> persecution of the Jews results from the fact that a very high
> percentage
> of the victims have lost their lives through indirect extermination
> actions such as the method "destruction through work", bad treatment,
> under nourishment, epidemics, exhaustion during forced transportations
> etc.
>
> About 120,000 people were killed through the Nazi "Euthanasia"-actions.
>
> Concerns: The killing of people through gas in the extermination and
> concentrations camps under the Nazi power
>
> The systematic murdering of humans through gas during the Nazi rule was
> introduced for the first time from January 1940 on in the area of the
> "Euthanasia", the extermination of the "lives not worthy to live" of
> the handicapped, mental patients and the terminally ill, and from fall
> 1941 on was continued to a much larger extent by the pogroms of the
> operation groups of the security police and the SD in the seized eastern
> areas with the help of mobile gas vans.
>
> Beginning December of 1941 one proceeded in the camp Kulmhof (Polish
> Chelmno) to use stationary gas vans for the killing of Jews, and from
> the beginning of 1942 in different camps fixed gas chambers were built,
> or already existing buildings were restructured for this purpose.
>
> One needs to differentiate by the furnishing of such gas chambers and
> the
> gassing actions carried out within them between the mass gassings of
> Jews
> in the extermination camps build for that purpose and the gassings of
> smaller scale in individual, already existing concentration camps
> (whereby
> patients, seized forced laborers, war prisoners, and political prisoners
> among others were also victims)
>
> The following extermination camps existed:
>
> Kulmhof i.e. Chelmno (in the then Wartheland), where between December
> 1941 and fall 1942 and again from May until August 1944 gassings by
> means of carbon monoxide from motor exhaust gas took place. Altogether
> more than 150,000 Jews as well as 5000 gypsies have hereby been killed.
>
> Belzec (in the district Lublin of the then general governments): from
> march to December 1942 in the beginning in three, later in six large gas
> chambers by means of carbon monoxide from motor exhaust gas altogether
> about 600,000 Jews were killed here.
>
> Sobibor (district Lublin, general government) received in April 1942
> three, later in September 1942 six gas chambers and until October 1943
> it was "in operation". During this period at least 200,000 Jews have
> been murdered through carbon monoxide gas.
>
> Treblinka (district Warschau, general government) from the end of July
> 1942 on had three gas chambers and received at the start of September
> 1942
> furthermore ten larger gas chambers. Up to the dissolution of the camp
> in
> November 1943 altogether 700,000 Jews were killed here by carbon
> monoxide.
>
> Majdanek (district Lublin, general government): The concentration camp
> existing since September 1941 turned into an extermination camp when
> between
> April 1942 and November 1943 mass shootings took place to which 24,000
> Jews
> fell victim. In October 1942 also two, later three gas chambers were
> built.
> In the beginning the killings in these were done by means of carbon
> monoxide, soon however one was using Zyklon B (a highly poisonous
> insecticide made
> from cyan hydrogen). Up until the dissolution of the camp in March 1944
> about 50,000 Jews have been gassed.
>
> Auschwitz-Birkenau (in the formerly polish, in 1939 adjoined to the
> "Reich"
> upper eastern Silesian area, south eastern of Kattowitz): The
> extermination
> camp in Birkenau, established in the second half of 1941, was joined to
> the concentration camp Auschwitz, existing since May 1940. From January
> 1942 on in five gas chambers and from the end of June 1943 in four
> additional large gassing-rooms gassings with Zyklon B have been
> undertaken. Up until November 1944 more than one million Jews and at
> least
> 4000 gypsies have been murdered by gas.
>
> In the following concentration camps gas chambers were established and
> have
> gone into operation:
>
> Mauthausen (upper Austria): From fall 1941 on one gas chamber existed
> which
> was operated with Zyklon B. In addition, gassings with carbon monoxide
> took
> place through gas vans which were driven between Mauthausen and it's
> side-camp Gusen. Altogether more than 4000 have been killed here
> through gas.
>
> Neuengamme (southeastern of Hamburg): From fall of 1942 on gassings with
> Zyklon B were undertaken here in a "Bunker" prepared for that, about 450
> victims.
>
> Sachsenhausen (Province Brandenburg, north of Berlin) received mid March
> 1943 a gas chamber which was operated with Zyklon B. Several thousand
> people fell victim to the gassings, a more specific number cannot be
> determined.
>
> Natzweiler (by Struthof, Elsass): From August 1943 to August 1944 a gas
> chamber existed here in which between 120 and 200 people were killed
> through
> Zyklon B in order to be able to dissect their skeletons for the
> Anatomica
> Institute of University of Strassburg.  Back then this institute was
> managed
> by a chief company commander of SS Prof. Dr. August Hirt.
>
> Stutthof (east of Danzig) had from June 1944 on one gas chamber in which
> more than 1000 were killed by Zyklon B.
>
> Ravensbruck (Bradenburg, north of Berlin): Here still in January
> 1945 a gas chamber was established;  the number of the people killed
> in it was at least 2300.
>
> Dachau (Upper Bavaria, northeast of Munich): During the establishment of
> a new house of cremation in 1942 also a gas chamber was established in
> it
> in which in connection with the medical experiments of the chief company
> commander of SS Dr. Rascher also a few experimental gassings were
> undertaken,
> as more recent research has confirmed. (On that see Gunther Kimmel:
> The Concentration Camp Dachau. A study of the Nazi crimes of violence in
> Bavaria in the NS-time II, edited by Martin Broszat and Elke Froehlich,
> Munich, R. Oldenburg Press, 1979, P. 391.) Larger gassing operations
> have not taken place in Dachau.
>
> The above mentioned numbers of the people killed in the gas chambers of
> the individual camps are only approximations.  They also only refer to
> the
> people killed in gassing operations. The number of the Jews killed in
> Europe due to the effects of the Nazi tyranny amounts, according to the
> newest research to at least 5.29 million. Possibly, however, also more
> than six million.
>
> Philip Mathews

A well known forgery...nothing but lies!

--
Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite
a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew".

                                       The 1980 Jewish Almanac

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Phony Holohoax Numbers
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 01:15:21 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Ms. Zimmerman wrote:

Part I

 Excerpt from "Freedom From Bible Slave Law", by L. Clifford Cheney
(1998),  footnote #96:
 A good place to start understanding the Zionist aims for the Jewish
 take-over and control of the world would be the writings of Douglas
 Reed, especially his books, Behind the Scene (a reprint of Part Two of Far
 and Wide), with focus on the section entitled "Six Million Lost and
 Found" in the Chapter entitled "Zionism Paramount, and The Controversy of
Zion,
 along with Henry Ford Sr.'s book, The International Jew: The World's
Foremost
 Problem.

Michael Snead  wrote:

        Jewish take over of the world!  What a joke to believe that the Jews
had nothing other in mind than to enslave the entire world by their monetary
control. Only the dimmest of the dim would believe anything else. Only a
dimwitted Jew with the Talmud as his Holy (sic) writings would think that no
one could see through the chameleon race. A Jew has to deny these facts and
refute them with vigor because of the power of the Aryans people. To admit to
such idiocy in public would be fatal to the Jewish race in both Hemispheres.
Ms. Zimmerman apparently is willing to tell the truth, unlike the "chameleon"
on this list who is a Talmud believer and a "Holohoax denier."  Ms Zimmerman
is willing to expose the Jews for what they really are and only in doing so
by telling the truth. Ms Zimmerman I thank God for the bearers of the truth
such as yourself.

Ms. Zimmerman wrote:

 There are compelling reasons to believe that the so-called holocaust never
existed.

Michael Snead wrote:

This is going to  to be good! Pay attention here!

Ms. Zimmerman wrote:

 Page 223, in The Diary of Anne Frank, Pan Horizons edition, Pan
 Books Ltd., London, 1989, indicates that the size of AUSCHWITZ, the
most notorious of all German work camps, WAS VERY SMALL, with only 11,000
people (many of whom may not even have been Jews) being evacuated by the
Germans at the time of the Russian advance in 1945.

Michael Snead wrote:

    Nice going. Not only does the book refer to the size of the camp, but the
Jews in this  particular camp had a choice to stay in the camp and wait for
the Russian liberators or leave with those nasty, mean, Nazis (sic). The
majority of the Jews who could travel left with the Germans. I know that a
Jew can take a five dollar bill and after he has swindled a dozen or so
people be a millionaire. Like the way the Russian (Jewish) Mafia in Russia
has done with the IMF's 15 billion dollars and Mr. Frankel who was caught
today(9-5-99) after embezzling 200 million from insurance funds. However, the
Jews count about the way Louis Farahkhan counted at the 241,000 man march a
few years ago and threatened to sue if the figures weren't raised to a
million. In Germany there were only 500,000 Jews total. Let's see....hmmm
500,000 times the 12 tribes of Israel is 6 million. Plus interest on four
years is 6,355,000 Jews. So then the 6 million that weren't there to begin
with that are accounted for being dead and the 355,000 interest that we owe
the Jews...Let's see, my figuring comes up with about 145,000 actual
casualties.

Ms. Zimmerman wrote:
Certainly, compared to Spielberg's film, Schindler's List (which Emilie
Schindler, Oskar's widow, said was full of lies),

Michael Snead wrote:

Another truth from a WITNESS

Ms. Zimmerman wrote:
 and other Jewish propaganda, that millions upon millions of Jews were
systematically exterminated, 11,000 people is a very small number.

Michael Snead wrote:

The correct interpretation of that number and the numbers throughout the
war have now been provided, demonstrating the Jewish numbers silly.

Ms Zimmerman wrote:
 Simple arithmetic tells us that the Germans would have had to have had
 hundreds of camps, or else they would have had to exterminate 137
people PER HOUR, in order for six million Jews to have been exterminated at
such
small camps as Auschwitz, a feat that would have been humanly impossible
considering that, according to Douglas Reed's Behind the Scene and
The Controversy of Zion, a mere 850,000 soldiers and others were killed
by the entire German and Japanese war machines combined during  WWII

Michael Snead wrote:
 Only an ignorant Jewish Racist Talmud reading intolerant fool would post
otherwise.

Ms. Zimmerman wrote:
(see p.397-400 of Douglas Reed's book Controversy of Zion). People who would
believe the Jewish propaganda that six million Jews were exterminated by
Hitler
must
 KEEP IN MIND THE SMALL SCALE CONSTRUCTION OF AUSCHWITZ AND THE VERY FEW
OTHER GERMAN WORK CAMPS THAT EXISTED DURING WWII.

Michael Snead wrote:
You  know what you're talking about Ms Zimmerman. The Auschwitz-Birkenau camp
was was first of all only large enough to hold 11,000 people. Only a fool
would believe that the Nazi's built accommodations for the Jews when they
were only going to kill them. Only a fool would believe that with a war
effort taking place, the Nazi's were moving Jews from here to there and back
and forth and around and through and on and on and on.

 Ms. Zimmerman wrote:
 On July 13, 1994, a documentary on the life of Charles A.Lindbergh
 broadcast on the Public Broadcast System (PBS - KENW-TV) said that
when Lindbergh visited one of these few camps in Germany following WWII,
he was told that 25,000 died in 1-1/2 years. Again, simple arithmetic tells
us that  25,000 times a half dozen camps does not equal 6,000,000. In fact,
it
doesn't even equal 600,000.

Michael Snead wrote:
Ms Zimmerman, Jewish Math is amazing isn't it?

Ms Zimmerman wrote:
 Obviously, nobody will ever know for sure what the absolute truth is
 regarding the number of people killed in any war but the idea that six
 million Jews were systematically exterminated by Hitler does not
stand the test of the available data, nor of common sense.

Michael Snead wrote:
It doesn't stand the test very well at all. What does stand the test is Ms.
Zimmerman's ability to tick off a chameleon. She clearly enhances her
audiences
intelligence in posting great information and evidently will post any truth,
no matter
what!!!  To smear Jews and rehabilitate Nazis is the right thing to do after
what the Jewish lies have done to such a great country such as Germany.
Very good post Ms. Zimmerman, very good.
Michael Snead
14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: German Institute of Contemporary History's Estimate of
     Jews kil...
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 01:44:53 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

In a message dated 9/5/99 10:49:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
philnancy@aol.com writes:

<< 5.29 million >>

    Now your moving in the right direction....considering that the allied
forces were continually bombing refineries and that gasoline and diesel were
being rationed
and also the fact that the manpower to remove these bodies, and the purpose
of building the consentration camps was for housing them not to kill them.
Nazis surely would have had lesser facilities to kill the Jews and not wasted
their time building a place for them. Do you realize how rediculous the Jews
reasoning for the death camps are?  No Zyklon B was ever detected in the
chambers anyway. Talk about posting Lies. Good God almighty will deal with
you in the hereafter...no I take that back...You will be seeing your Holy
Father... Satan. May the Lord Jesus Christ, who your people crucified on the
cross and died for your sins, too, have mercy on your morbid soul.
Michael Snead
14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: More Talmudic Blaspheme......
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 02:27:28 -0400
From: jsavage 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Hi all!

maddison@connexus.net.au wrote:

>
> For those interested in the truth about various forgeries from the
> Talmud, they may like to visit my Web site at http://www.geocities.com/
> Athens/Cyprus/8815
>
> David Maddison

Taken from his web site....

The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book. Its authority takes precedence
over the Old
Testament in Judaism. Evidence of this may be found in the Talmud
itself, Erubin 21b
(Soncino edition): "My son, be more careful in the observance of the
words of the Scribes
than in the words of the Torah (Old Testament)."

RESPONSE
That's not true. The Torah - the Five Books of Moses is Judaism's
"holiest" book,

                             snip
A jew dosen't believe what Moses wrote anymore than
I follow the filthy talmud!...

It is a known fact that a jew traces his lineage
through his mother....

The New Standard jewish Encyclopedia, 7th edition, under
the heading GENTILE: p. 360, states the following...

"According to jewish law, every one whose mother is a non-
jewess is considered a non-jew, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE
FATHER IS JEWISH."

This is a TOTAL PERVERSION of the Scriptures!

Numbers 1:1a "And YHWH spake unto Moses in the wilderness
of Sinai, ....", (v2) Take ye the sum of all the congregation
of the children of Israel, after their families, BY THE HOUSE
OF THEIR FATHERS, with the number of their names, every male
by THEIR POLLS";

A second witness...Numbers 1:18

A third witness...Numbers 26:2

A fourth witness...Jeremiah 33:17

"For had you believed Moses, ye would have believed
me: for he wrote of me". (John 5:46) see Numbers 24:17
and Deut 18:15

"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the
Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and
the Son". (1John 2:22)

"Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:
but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also".
                                        (1John 2:23)

"For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess
not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. THIS IS A DECEIVER
AND AN ANTICHRIST". (2John 7)

You should confess Jesus Christ as the Son of God and
be baptised for the remission of sins...it won't hurt!

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a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew".

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Subject: [13texan] Talmud and Holocaust
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 02:37:34 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: maddison@connexus.net.au

David,
    I have visited your website and  and will read all that you will provide.
To disagree with any thought, theory, or revaluation does not make one a
hater.  I do not agree with those who think that the holocaust happened,
however that does not make me a hatemonger.
    For years I was a Dallas Cowboy fan (Tom Landry era) and my friends were
Washington Redskin fans, now when the Redskins were lucky enough to beat the
Cowboys I was not to be convinced that the Redskins were a better football
team than the Cowboys, no matter what!  I wasn't a hater of Redskin fans, I
just didn't like the Redskins.
    Because I do not agree with you or Philip Mathews doesn't make me hate
you or Philip. Do you hate me? I am of the belief that I must tell what is in
my heart and not sit idoly by and allow, what I feel to be, a fabrication to
be glorified.
    If I have no freedom to belive what I belive without being called a hater
then I have no freedom. If you are the involved with the "Mind Police" then
you have a suspect right here. I will engage with you a civil dialog if you
wish. I will read all that you have on your website.
Michael Snead
14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Jewish Insecurity
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 03:21:26 -0400
From: jsavage 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

philnancy@aol.com wrote:
>
> Snead wrote:
>
> philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=806
>
> > The vile hatred that the Jew will have when you expose their hate,
> lies and
> > their beliefs. Their Holy Talmud is full of prejudices against the
> non Jew
> > and even goes as far as to call them racial names.
>
> Poor Snead is angry because his posts on the Talmud have been exposed
> as lies, part of his mindless campaign of hatred against Jews. Notice
> he makes no attempt to defend his exposed lies, that's because he knows
> nothing of the Talmud, he merely posted lies he found on some website
> because they said bad things about Jews.
>
>  The old trick of the Jew
> > is when you expose them, they want to label you as anti-Semitic.
>
> The old trick is to post the truth in response to the lies of
> antisemites. As you can see when that is done they don't discuss the
> Talmud, they run and hope not to have anymore of their ignorance
> exposed.
>
>  >Then when
> > you don't let that phase you they will denounce your intelligence.
> They
> > accuse you of being a liar. Ask asinine questions. Use your remarks
> to twist
> > and turn to their advantage. Refuse to ask the simple questions that
> you ask.
>
> None of this was done of course. Snead posted a collection of well
> known canards about the Talmud. I demolished them, and his only
> response is the above. Clearly he doesn't have the strength of his
> convictions or he would respond to the Talmud rebuttals. But we know
> why he can't, don't we!
>

"I demolished them"???....appears to me you plagerized
another persons webpage and are now claiming the credit!

Around here we call it...LIAR! LIAR!...pants on fire!

Here is one of your statements from another post....

"Nonsense. It is you who parrot antisemitic crap from know nothing
authors and websites and pretend its learning."

you should practice what you preach...

And here is another of your statements....

"And I don't attempt to use scripture to support by views,
there is too much of that by people who feel the need to
buttress hateful views with the cloak of the Lord. "

Your credability is sinking faster the the fecus of a whale!

And as far as you "destroying" any thing....it is just
a figment of your imagination....the source of the material
that you plagerized is from the Steinsaltz (made for whitey)
Edition of the talmud (a real bogus piece of material)....

You need to confess Jesus Christ as the Son of God
and be baptized for the remission of sins!....

js
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Subject: [13texan] Re: Talmud and Holocaust
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 06:23:57 CDT
From: "David Griffin" 
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

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>David,
>     I have visited your website and  and will read all that you will
>provide.
>To disagree with any thought, theory, or revaluation does not make one a
>hater.  I do not agree with those who think that the holocaust happened,
>however that does not make me a hatemonger.
>     For years I was a Dallas Cowboy fan (Tom Landry era) and my friends
>were
>Washington Redskin fans, now when the Redskins were lucky enough to beat
>the
>Cowboys I was not to be convinced that the Redskins were a better football
>team than the Cowboys, no matter what!  I wasn't a hater of Redskin fans, I
>just didn't like the Redskins.
>     Because I do not agree with you or Philip Mathews doesn't make me hate
>you or Philip. Do you hate me? I am of the belief that I must tell what is
>in
>my heart and not sit idoly by and allow, what I feel to be, a fabrication
>to
>be glorified.
>     If I have no freedom to belive what I belive without being called a
>hater
>then I have no freedom. If you are the involved with the "Mind Police" then
>you have a suspect right here. I will engage with you a civil dialog if you
>wish. I will read all that you have on your website.
>Michael Snead
>14/88

Michael, to be a hater puts us in some pretty good company...There is
defineately a time to hate.....God is a hater,and not of works only, but of
people...The WORD states in Psalms "The LORD trieth the righteous: but the
wicked and him that loveth violence his  soul   hateth."....so we see that
God hates the wicked, and the doer of violence...not just the works, but the
person.

And in another Psalm, it is stated, "I hate them with  perfect   hatred : I
count them mine enemies."...and there are many other examples of hatred
being very compatible with the righteous which we are called to.

The only reason I responded to this post, brother, is that I hear so often,
that we are to hate the sin, and love the sinner...but I have never found
such an example for that in Holy Writ; it is a Jewish lie, fostered by those
Jews which claim to be converts to Christianity; although a literal child of
Satan can never be saved; neither did Jesus die for his sins.

We are to hate the wicked.....the Jew is to be hated.....this makes us good
Christians, as blessed Luther called us...and it makes us very pleasing to
God, that we hate His enemies.

Hail Jesus` Victory!
David

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Subject: [13texan] Re: German Institute of Contemporary History's Es
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 07:28:17 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Savage wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=825
> philnancy@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Concerns:  Number of victims of the Nazi tyranny
> > In reference to your letter which arrived here on 9/3/92.
> >
> > Dear Mr. Dr. Keren:
> >
> > In answer to your above mentioned request we send you in a separate
> > mailing by air mail book-post a composition achieved in house,
> > concerning "The killing of humans through gas in the extermination-
> > and concentration camps under the Nazi tyranny" in which you will
find
> > answers to your questions # 1,2 and 4.
> >
> > The victims of the operation groups of the security service and the
SD
> > behind the German frontier in the Russia-campaign were to the by far
> > largest part Jews. Their number is estimated to be at least 900,000.
> >
> > The difference between the total of the victims of the gassings
cited
> > in the above mentioned composition and the number of victims of the
> > operation groups and the total of roughly 6 million victims of the
Nazi
> > persecution of the Jews results from the fact that a very high
> > percentage
> > of the victims have lost their lives through indirect extermination
> > actions such as the method "destruction through work", bad
treatment,
> > under nourishment, epidemics, exhaustion during forced
transportations
> > etc.
> >
> > About 120,000 people were killed through the Nazi
"Euthanasia"-actions.
> >
> > Concerns: The killing of people through gas in the extermination and
> > concentrations camps under the Nazi power
> >
> > The systematic murdering of humans through gas during the Nazi rule
was
> > introduced for the first time from January 1940 on in the area of
the
> > "Euthanasia", the extermination of the "lives not worthy to live" of
> > the handicapped, mental patients and the terminally ill, and from
fall
> > 1941 on was continued to a much larger extent by the pogroms of the
> > operation groups of the security police and the SD in the seized
eastern
> > areas with the help of mobile gas vans.
> >
> > Beginning December of 1941 one proceeded in the camp Kulmhof (Polish
> > Chelmno) to use stationary gas vans for the killing of Jews, and
from
> > the beginning of 1942 in different camps fixed gas chambers were
built,
> > or already existing buildings were restructured for this purpose.
> >
> > One needs to differentiate by the furnishing of such gas chambers
and
> > the
> > gassing actions carried out within them between the mass gassings of
> > Jews
> > in the extermination camps build for that purpose and the gassings
of
> > smaller scale in individual, already existing concentration camps
> > (whereby
> > patients, seized forced laborers, war prisoners, and political
prisoners
> > among others were also victims)
> >
> > The following extermination camps existed:
> >
> > Kulmhof i.e. Chelmno (in the then Wartheland), where between
December
> > 1941 and fall 1942 and again from May until August 1944 gassings by
> > means of carbon monoxide from motor exhaust gas took place.
Altogether
> > more than 150,000 Jews as well as 5000 gypsies have hereby been
killed.
> >
> > Belzec (in the district Lublin of the then general governments):
from
> > march to December 1942 in the beginning in three, later in six
large gas
> > chambers by means of carbon monoxide from motor exhaust gas
altogether
> > about 600,000 Jews were killed here.
> >
> > Sobibor (district Lublin, general government) received in April 1942
> > three, later in September 1942 six gas chambers and until October
1943
> > it was "in operation". During this period at least 200,000 Jews have
> > been murdered through carbon monoxide gas.
> >
> > Treblinka (district Warschau, general government) from the end of
July
> > 1942 on had three gas chambers and received at the start of
September
> > 1942
> > furthermore ten larger gas chambers. Up to the dissolution of the
camp
> > in
> > November 1943 altogether 700,000 Jews were killed here by carbon
> > monoxide.
> >
> > Majdanek (district Lublin, general government): The concentration
camp
> > existing since September 1941 turned into an extermination camp when
> > between
> > April 1942 and November 1943 mass shootings took place to which
24,000
> > Jews
> > fell victim. In October 1942 also two, later three gas chambers were
> > built.
> > In the beginning the killings in these were done by means of carbon
> > monoxide, soon however one was using Zyklon B (a highly poisonous
> > insecticide made
> > from cyan hydrogen). Up until the dissolution of the camp in March
1944
> > about 50,000 Jews have been gassed.
> >
> > Auschwitz-Birkenau (in the formerly polish, in 1939 adjoined to the
> > "Reich"
> > upper eastern Silesian area, south eastern of Kattowitz): The
> > extermination
> > camp in Birkenau, established in the second half of 1941, was
joined to
> > the concentration camp Auschwitz, existing since May 1940. From
January
> > 1942 on in five gas chambers and from the end of June 1943 in four
> > additional large gassing-rooms gassings with Zyklon B have been
> > undertaken. Up until November 1944 more than one million Jews and at
> > least
> > 4000 gypsies have been murdered by gas.
> >
> > In the following concentration camps gas chambers were established
and
> > have
> > gone into operation:
> >
> > Mauthausen (upper Austria): From fall 1941 on one gas chamber
existed
> > which
> > was operated with Zyklon B. In addition, gassings with carbon
monoxide
> > took
> > place through gas vans which were driven between Mauthausen and it's
> > side-camp Gusen. Altogether more than 4000 have been killed here
> > through gas.
> >
> > Neuengamme (southeastern of Hamburg): From fall of 1942 on gassings
with
> > Zyklon B were undertaken here in a "Bunker" prepared for that,
about 450
> > victims.
> >
> > Sachsenhausen (Province Brandenburg, north of Berlin) received mid
March
> > 1943 a gas chamber which was operated with Zyklon B. Several
thousand
> > people fell victim to the gassings, a more specific number cannot be
> > determined.
> >
> > Natzweiler (by Struthof, Elsass): From August 1943 to August 1944 a
gas
> > chamber existed here in which between 120 and 200 people were killed
> > through
> > Zyklon B in order to be able to dissect their skeletons for the
> > Anatomica
> > Institute of University of Strassburg.  Back then this institute was
> > managed
> > by a chief company commander of SS Prof. Dr. August Hirt.
> >
> > Stutthof (east of Danzig) had from June 1944 on one gas chamber in
which
> > more than 1000 were killed by Zyklon B.
> >
> > Ravensbruck (Bradenburg, north of Berlin): Here still in January
> > 1945 a gas chamber was established;  the number of the people killed
> > in it was at least 2300.
> >
> > Dachau (Upper Bavaria, northeast of Munich): During the
establishment of
> > a new house of cremation in 1942 also a gas chamber was established
in
> > it
> > in which in connection with the medical experiments of the chief
company
> > commander of SS Dr. Rascher also a few experimental gassings were
> > undertaken,
> > as more recent research has confirmed. (On that see Gunther Kimmel:
> > The Concentration Camp Dachau. A study of the Nazi crimes of
violence in
> > Bavaria in the NS-time II, edited by Martin Broszat and Elke
Froehlich,
> > Munich, R. Oldenburg Press, 1979, P. 391.) Larger gassing operations
> > have not taken place in Dachau.
> >
> > The above mentioned numbers of the people killed in the gas
chambers of
> > the individual camps are only approximations.  They also only refer
to
> > the
> > people killed in gassing operations. The number of the Jews killed
in
> > Europe due to the effects of the Nazi tyranny amounts, according to
the
> > newest research to at least 5.29 million. Possibly, however, also
more
> > than six million.
> >
> > Philip Mathews
>
>
> A well known forgery...nothing but lies!

HeHeHe. Nice try.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Phony Holohoax Numbers
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 07:57:39 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=826
> Ms. Zimmerman wrote:
>
> Part I
>
>  Excerpt from "Freedom From Bible Slave Law", by L. Clifford Cheney
> (1998),  footnote #96:
>  A good place to start understanding the Zionist aims for the Jewish
>  take-over and control of the world would be the writings of Douglas
>  Reed, especially his books, Behind the Scene (a reprint of Part Two
of Far
>  and Wide), with focus on the section entitled "Six Million Lost and
>  Found" in the Chapter entitled "Zionism Paramount, and The
Controversy of
> Zion,
>  along with Henry Ford Sr.'s book, The International Jew: The World's
> Foremost
>  Problem.
>
>
> Michael Snead  wrote:
>
>         Jewish take over of the world!  What a joke to believe that
the Jews
> had nothing other in mind than to enslave the entire world by their
monetary
> control.

What monetary control? More mindless conspiracy nonsense. Do you teach
your children this foolishness?

 >Only the dimmest of the dim would believe anything else. Only a
> dimwitted Jew with the Talmud as his Holy (sic) writings would think
that no
> one could see through the chameleon race.

True followers of the Lord don't condemn people based on their race.
You are an unChristian hater.

> A Jew has to deny these facts and
> refute them with vigor because of the power of the Aryans people.

There have been no facts presented, only distortions which I have
pointed out for all to see. Your ignorance of the subject matter
prevents you from saying anything specific on the matter.

 To admit to
> such idiocy in public would be fatal to the Jewish race in both
Hemispheres.
> Ms. Zimmerman apparently is willing to tell the truth, unlike the
"chameleon"
> on this list who is a Talmud believer and a "Holohoax denier."

Ms. Zimmerman lied and distorted the the Auschwitz numbers in the
diary. Even knowledgeable deniers of the Holocaust would be embarrassed
to post such obvious drivel.

 Ms Zimmerman
> is willing to expose the Jews for what they really are and only in
doing so
> by telling the truth. Ms Zimmerman I thank God for the bearers of the
truth
> such as yourself.

More general nonsensical commentary from the willfully ignorant, hoping
to substitute talk for knowledge.

>
>
> Ms. Zimmerman wrote:
>
>  There are compelling reasons to believe that the so-called holocaust
never
> existed.
>
>
> Michael Snead wrote:
>
> This is going to  to be good! Pay attention here!
>
> Ms. Zimmerman wrote:
>
>  Page 223, in The Diary of Anne Frank, Pan Horizons edition, Pan
>  Books Ltd., London, 1989, indicates that the size of AUSCHWITZ, the
> most notorious of all German work camps, WAS VERY SMALL, with only
11,000
> people (many of whom may not even have been Jews) being evacuated by
the
> Germans at the time of the Russian advance in 1945.
>
>
> Michael Snead wrote:
>
>     Nice going. Not only does the book refer to the size of the camp,
but the
> Jews in this  particular camp had a choice to stay in the camp and
wait for
> the Russian liberators or leave with those nasty, mean, Nazis (sic).

It does not refer to the size of the camp. It refers to the number of
prisoners remaining in the camp at the end just before the Soviets
liberated it. Much research and writing has been done on this topic,
but it would be too much to expect you to study any of it before making
ignorant pronouncements.

 The
> majority of the Jews who could travel left with the Germans.

Yes, because as the Jews have said, they didn't believe the Nazis,
believing instead that if they had opted to stay they would have been
killed. You are attempting to offer a rationale for their decision
which is not true.

I know that a
> Jew can take a five dollar bill and after he has swindled a dozen or
so
> people be a millionaire. Like the way the Russian (Jewish) Mafia in
Russia
> has done with the IMF's 15 billion dollars and Mr. Frankel who was
caught
> today(9-5-99) after embezzling 200 million from insurance funds.

Mere hateful, antisemitic ranting. This person needs some kind of
professional help.

 However, the
> Jews count about the way Louis Farahkhan counted at the 241,000 man
march a
> few years ago and threatened to sue if the figures weren't raised to
a
> million. In Germany there were only 500,000 Jews total. Let's
see....hmmm
> 500,000 times the 12 tribes of Israel is 6 million.

More ignorance! The Nazis killed Europe's Jews, not just Germany's, so
the number of German Jews is irrelevant. Do you normally get away with
such obvious lies? Do you lie to Him as well?

 Plus interest on four
> years is 6,355,000 Jews. So then the 6 million that weren't there to
begin
> with that are accounted for being dead and the 355,000 interest that
we owe
> the Jews...Let's see, my figuring comes up with about 145,000 actual
> casualties.

And your mathematical abilities mirror your historical abilities.

>
>
> Ms. Zimmerman wrote:
> Certainly, compared to Spielberg's film, Schindler's List (which
Emilie
> Schindler, Oskar's widow, said was full of lies),
>
>
> Michael Snead wrote:
>
> Another truth from a WITNESS

A lie.

>
>
> Ms. Zimmerman wrote:
>  and other Jewish propaganda, that millions upon millions of Jews
were
> systematically exterminated, 11,000 people is a very small number.
>
> Michael Snead wrote:
>
> The correct interpretation of that number and the numbers throughout
the
> war have now been provided, demonstrating the Jewish numbers silly.

No interpretation of the numbers have been provided and couldn't
possibly be provided by an ignoramous who states that Auschwitz could
only hold 11,000 people!

>
> Ms Zimmerman wrote:
>  Simple arithmetic tells us that the Germans would have had to have
had
>  hundreds of camps, or else they would have had to exterminate 137
> people PER HOUR, in order for six million Jews to have been
exterminated at
> such
> small camps as Auschwitz, a feat that would have been humanly
impossible
> considering that, according to Douglas Reed's Behind the Scene and
> The Controversy of Zion, a mere 850,000 soldiers and others were
killed
> by the entire German and Japanese war machines combined during  WWII
>
>
> Michael Snead wrote:
>  Only an ignorant Jewish Racist Talmud reading intolerant fool would
post
> otherwise.

Anyone aware of the facts would post otherwise. The post from the
Institute for Contemporary History of Germany lists the major camps and
the death toll. It has the benefit of being based on historical
knowledge, not antisemitic animus. Ms. Zimmerman's lie about the
numbers killed by the German army can be easily seen by consulting
basic texts on WWII.

>
> Ms. Zimmerman wrote:
> (see p.397-400 of Douglas Reed's book Controversy of Zion). People
who would
> believe the Jewish propaganda that six million Jews were exterminated
by
> Hitler
> must
>  KEEP IN MIND THE SMALL SCALE CONSTRUCTION OF AUSCHWITZ AND THE VERY
FEW
> OTHER GERMAN WORK CAMPS THAT EXISTED DURING WWII.
>
>
> Michael Snead wrote:
> You  know what you're talking about Ms Zimmerman. The
Auschwitz-Birkenau camp
> was was first of all only large enough to hold 11,000 people.

A falsehood, and not even supported by the diary entry she distorted.
The camp held in excess of 100,000 people at a time and transport
records record more than 1.4 million Jews shipped to Auschwitz. Where
did they go?

 Only a fool
> would believe that the Nazi's built accommodations for the Jews when
they
> were only going to kill them.

Nonsense. Auschwitz-Birkenau was also a major labor camp and many Jews
worked for a time before dying or being gassed. Laborers need some form
of housing. Much of this camp still exists of course, and the
construction documents for the camp do as well. It says much about the
desperation of Zimmerman and Snead that they are willing to lie about
such a documented fact, hoping mere assertion will be accepted. I
wonder what else they are willing to lie about?

 Only a fool would believe that with a war
> effort taking place, the Nazi's were moving Jews from here to there
and back
> and forth and around and through and on and on and on.

Only a fool would deny what there is extensive records for, such as
transport documents, corroborated by the testimony of Nazis such as
Eichmann who was in charge of that very function. But don't let me
interrupt your fantasy!

>
>  Ms. Zimmerman wrote:
>  On July 13, 1994, a documentary on the life of Charles A.Lindbergh
>  broadcast on the Public Broadcast System (PBS - KENW-TV) said that
> when Lindbergh visited one of these few camps in Germany following
WWII,
> he was told that 25,000 died in 1-1/2 years. Again, simple arithmetic
tells
> us that  25,000 times a half dozen camps does not equal 6,000,000. In
fact,
> it
> doesn't even equal 600,000.
>
>
> Michael Snead wrote:
> Ms Zimmerman, Jewish Math is amazing isn't it?

You mean irrelevant don't you. She picks a small camp that wasn't a
death camp, assumes the total who died at a non-death camp is a
suitable average, and then goes her merry way! The 5 major death camps
of Poland, as well as others where gassing took place are outlined in
the post "German Institute of Contemporary History".

>
>
> Ms Zimmerman wrote:
>  Obviously, nobody will ever know for sure what the absolute truth is
>  regarding the number of people killed in any war but the idea that
six
>  million Jews were systematically exterminated by Hitler does not
> stand the test of the available data, nor of common sense.
>
>
> Michael Snead wrote:
> It doesn't stand the test very well at all. What does stand the test
is Ms.
> Zimmerman's ability to tick off a chameleon. She clearly enhances her
> audiences
> intelligence in posting great information and evidently will post any
truth,
> no matter
> what!!!

SHe posted one figure form a diary, distorting what it meant, and from
that point on made up everything else. I suppose that's fine with you
as long as the result is to smear Jews and rehabilitate Nazis.

 To smear Jews and rehabilitate Nazis is the right thing to do after
> what the Jewish lies have done to such a great country such as
Germany.

Jews helped make Germany a great country. The German people paid a
great price for following Hitler and the Nazis. That you and Zimmerman
would like to see Nazism rehabilitated tells us all we need to know
about your "Christian" ideals.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: German Institute of Contemporary History's Es
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 08:08:10 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=827
> In a message dated 9/5/99 10:49:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> philnancy@aol.com writes:
>
> << 5.29 million >>
>
>     Now your moving in the right direction.

How typical of you to lie and distort in the very first sentence!  The
section said:

The number of the Jews killed in Europe due to the effects of the Nazi
tyranny amounts, according to the newest research to at least 5.29
million. Possibly, however, also more than six million.

>...considering that the allied
> forces were continually bombing refineries and that gasoline and
diesel were
> being rationed

Allied bombing had no affect on the camps until the very end of the war.

> and also the fact that the manpower to remove these bodies,

You really know nothing of this, do you? They had massive manpower.
They were called Jews. In the camps Jews did all the work, emptying the
gas chambers and manning the crematoria, and disposing of bodies and
ash. Your desperate attempt to find an argument would meet with more
success if you were to familiarize yourself with a basic understanding
of the history.

 and the purpose
> of building the consentration camps was for housing them not to kill
the
> Nazis surely would have had lesser facilities to kill the Jews and
not wasted
> their time building a place for them.

You might try this again in English once you figure out what point you
had.

 Do you realize how rediculous the Jews
> reasoning for the death camps are?

It's not the Jews reasoning, it's everyone's reasoning, including
historians. Only a few fringe kooks like yourself believe otherwise.

 No Zyklon B was ever detected in the
> chambers anyway.

False. Residues of HCN were detected on the walls of every gas chamber
at Auscwitz, including those which had been exposed to the elements for
decades. Another lie shot down.

 Talk about posting Lies. Good God almighty will deal with
> you in the hereafter...no I take that back...You will be seeing your
Holy
> Father... Satan.

It is you, draping yourself in the garments of the Lord and lying and
hating who will have much to answer for. He sees through you easily!

 May the Lord Jesus Christ, who your people crucified on the
> cross

Another lie. The Romans crucified Jesus.

 >and died for your sins, too, have mercy on your morbid soul.

The last thing I need is for a liar and hater saying a pray for me.
You'd best pray for forgiveness and turn to the true word of God.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Talmud and Holocaust
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 08:22:06 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=829
> David,
>     I have visited your website and  and will read all that you will
provide.
> To disagree with any thought, theory, or revaluation does not make
one a
> hater.

It does when you consistently choose to believe lies and smears of Jews
over the obvious facts. Such a consistent choice cannot be due to
chance, but reveals a deep seated animus which itself dictates what you
will accept as truth rather than assessing issues to determine truth
from lies first.

 I do not agree with those who think that the holocaust happened,
> however that does not make me a hatemonger.

It is a manifestation of your hate, not a cause of it. You might as
well deny the First World War. Such denial in the face of proven
history is revealing, especially since the event happens to involve
Jews. Do you also deny the Armenian genocide?


>     For years I was a Dallas Cowboy fan (Tom Landry era) and my
friends were
> Washington Redskin fans, now when the Redskins were lucky enough to
beat the
> Cowboys I was not to be convinced that the Redskins were a better
football
> team than the Cowboys, no matter what!  I wasn't a hater of Redskin
fans, I
> just didn't like the Redskins.

No wonder you have trouble with higher order thinking.

>     Because I do not agree with you or Philip Mathews doesn't make me
hate
> you or Philip. Do you hate me? I am of the belief that I must tell
what is in
> my heart and not sit idoly by and allow, what I feel to be, a
fabrication to
> be glorified.

It is you who engage in fabrications, whether of your own design or
others. When your errors are pointed out, you rant and refuse to be
educated. The inevitable conclusion is you wish to be ignorant in your
hatred of Jews.

>     If I have no freedom to belive what I belive without being called
a hater
> then I have no freedom.

You have the freedom to believe it. And others have the freedom to
refute you.

 >If you are the involved with the "Mind Police" then
> you have a suspect right here. I will engage with you a civil dialog
if you
> wish. I will read all that you have on your website.

Get started, you have much to learn.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Talmud and Holocaust
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 11:26:51 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
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David,
    Very well said and thank you  for giving me that perspective. There is so
much to learn from everyone that is in a group that if one will dispute
everything that is said even his process of erudition is impeded.
Michael Snead
14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Jewish Insecurity
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 08:32:06 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

Savage wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=830
> philnancy@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Snead wrote:
> >
> > philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=806
> >
> > > The vile hatred that the Jew will have when you expose their hate,
> > lies and
> > > their beliefs. Their Holy Talmud is full of prejudices against the
> > non Jew
> > > and even goes as far as to call them racial names.

The vile hatred comes from pretend Christian such as yourself. What you
say about the Talmud is a lie, one demonstrated over and over again.

> >
> > Poor Snead is angry because his posts on the Talmud have been
exposed
> > as lies, part of his mindless campaign of hatred against Jews.
Notice
> > he makes no attempt to defend his exposed lies, that's because he
knows
> > nothing of the Talmud, he merely posted lies he found on some
website
> > because they said bad things about Jews.
> >
> >  The old trick of the Jew
> > > is when you expose them, they want to label you as anti-Semitic.

A Jew hater is an antisemite. As are you for telling lies about the
Talmud. You do that because you wish others to hate Jews as you do. For
that you will one day answer to Him.

> >
> > The old trick is to post the truth in response to the lies of
> > antisemites. As you can see when that is done they don't discuss the
> > Talmud, they run and hope not to have anymore of their ignorance
> > exposed.
> >
> >  >Then when
> > > you don't let that phase you they will denounce your intelligence.

There doesn seem to be a high correlation between low intelligence and
idiotic belief. Less so with racism and antisemitism, but still
substantial.

> > They
> > > accuse you of being a liar. Ask asinine questions. Use your
remarks
> > to twist
> > > and turn to their advantage. Refuse to ask the simple questions
that
> > you ask.

They accuse you of being what you are. It is your kind who twist facts
and remarks to suit your purposes. When this is pointed out, the
frustration usually results in posts such as this.

> >
> > None of this was done of course. Snead posted a collection of well
> > known canards about the Talmud. I demolished them, and his only
> > response is the above. Clearly he doesn't have the strength of his
> > convictions or he would respond to the Talmud rebuttals. But we know
> > why he can't, don't we!
> >
>
> "I demolished them"???....appears to me you plagerized
> another persons webpage and are now claiming the credit!

I don't mean to say I wrote them. Have you seen none of your allies
post from other sources?  I note no attempt to rebut the answers.

>
> Around here we call it...LIAR! LIAR!...pants on fire!

A state you are well acquainted with.

>
> Here is one of your statements from another post....
>
> "Nonsense. It is you who parrot antisemitic crap from know nothing
> authors and websites and pretend its learning."
>
> you should practice what you preach...

I do. What I posted rebuts the lies and you are unable to respond.

>
> And here is another of your statements....
>
> "And I don't attempt to use scripture to support by views,
> there is too much of that by people who feel the need to
> buttress hateful views with the cloak of the Lord. "
>
> Your credability is sinking faster the the fecus of a whale!

Based on what. I've not used scripture to support my views. Do you have
trouble reading?

>
> And as far as you "destroying" any thing....it is just
> a figment of your imagination....the source of the material
> that you plagerized is from the Steinsaltz (made for whitey)
> Edition of the talmud (a real bogus piece of material)....

Unsupported allegation, as usual.

>
> You need to confess Jesus Christ as the Son of God
> and be baptized for the remission of sins!....

You need to worry about your own soul. You are the worst kind of
sinner, a hater who hates in the name of the Lord. He will hold you to
account and you will answer for it.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Historians and Holocaust Denial
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 08:40:25 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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Antisemitic deniers of the Holocaust often claim that the event itself
and the many facts surrounding it are the invention of Jews. This of
course is nonsense, since Jews do not write history, historians do.
This tactic in fact turns reality on its head, since it is deniers who
represent a fringe collection of pseudo-Christians, neo-Nazis, and
antisemites. The overwhelming mass of humanity knows the historical
event of the Holocaust to be as proven as any other historical event.
Let's look at what professional historians say about denial.

The History Department at Duke University, responding to a CODOH ad,
unanimously adopted and published a statement noting: "That historians
are constantly engaged in historical revision is certainly correct;
however, what historians do is very different from this advertisement.
Historical revision of major events. . . is not concerned with the
actuality of these events; rather, it concerns their historical
interpretation - their causes and consequences generally. There is no
debate among historians about the actuality of the Holocaust... there
can be no doubt that the Nazi state systematically put to death
millions of Jews, Gypsies, political radicals and other people."

David Oshinsky and Michael Curtis of Rutgers University have written,
"If one group advertises that the Holocaust never happened, another can
buy space to insist that American Blacks were never enslaved. The
stakes are high because college newspapers may soon be flooded with ads
that present discredited assertions as if they were part of normal
historical debate. If the
Holocaust is not a fact, then nothing is a fact...."

Peter Hayes, Associate Professor of History and German at Northwestern
University, responded to a Smith ad by stating, "[B]ear in mind that
not a single one of the advances in our knowledge since 1945 has been
contributed by the self-styled 'Revisionists' whom Smith represents.
That is so because contributing to knowledge is decidedly not their
purpose . . . .
This ad is an assault on the intellectual integrity ... of
academicians, whom Smith and his ilk wish to browbeat. It is also a
throwback to the worst sorts of conspiracy-mongering of anti-Semitic
broadside.... Is it plausible that so great and longstanding a
conspiracy of repression could really have functioned? ... That
everybody with a Ph.D. active in the field - German, American,
Canadian, British, Israeli, etc. - is in on it together?... If one
suspects it is, might it not be wise to do a bit of checking about
Smith, his organization and his charges before running so implausible
an ad?"

Perhaps most significantly, in December 1991, the governing council of
the American Historical Association (AHA), the nation's largest and
oldest professional organization for historians, unanimously approved a
statement condemning the Holocaust-denial movement, stating, "No
serious historian questions that the Holocaust took place." The
council's action came in response
to a petition circulated among members calling for an official
statement against Holocaust-denial propaganda; the petition had been
signed by more than 300 members attending the organization's annual
conference. Moreover, in 1994, the AHA reaffirmed its position in a
press release which stated that "the Association will not provide a
forum for views that are, at best, a form of academic fraud."

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Phony Holohoax Numbers
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:13:45 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
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To make this easy to read I did my reply in font 12 bold lettering.
Michael Snead....
14/88

In a message dated 9/6/99 10:58:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
philnancy@aol.com writes:

<< Snead wrote:


 philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
 original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=826
 > Ms. Zimmerman wrote:
 >
 > Part I
 >
 >  Excerpt from "Freedom From Bible Slave Law", by L. Clifford Cheney
 > (1998),  footnote #96:
 >  A good place to start understanding the Zionist aims for the Jewish
 >  take-over and control of the world would be the writings of Douglas
 >  Reed, especially his books, Behind the Scene (a reprint of Part Two
 of Far
 >  and Wide), with focus on the section entitled "Six Million Lost and
 >  Found" in the Chapter entitled "Zionism Paramount, and The
 Controversy of
 > Zion,
 >  along with Henry Ford Sr.'s book, The International Jew: The World's
 > Foremost
 >  Problem.
 >
 >
 > Michael Snead  wrote:
 >
 >         Jewish take over of the world!  What a joke to believe that
 the Jews
 > had nothing other in mind than to enslave the entire world by their
 monetary
 > control.

 What monetary control? More mindless conspiracy nonsense. Do you teach
 your children this foolishness?

 If you refute it , it must be the truth.

  >Only the dimmest of the dim would believe anything else. Only a
 > dimwitted Jew with the Talmud as his Holy (sic) writings would think
 that no
 > one could see through the chameleon race.

 True followers of the Lord don't condemn people based on their race.
 You are an unChristian hater.
 What would you know about true followers of the Lord? Your people have lied
about him for centuries and now you are a Judge? HaHaHaHa!!!!


 > A Jew has to deny these facts and
 > refute them with vigor because of the power of the Aryans people.

 There have been no facts presented, only distortions which I have
 pointed out for all to see. Your ignorance of the subject matter
 prevents you from saying anything specific on the matter.

What you call distortions are Facts...you are blinded by the lies of your
past.

  To admit to
 > such idiocy in public would be fatal to the Jewish race in both
 Hemispheres.
 > Ms. Zimmerman apparently is willing to tell the truth, unlike the
 "chameleon"
 > on this list who is a Talmud believer and a "Holohoax denier."

 Ms. Zimmerman lied and distorted the the Auschwitz numbers in the
 diary. Even knowledgeable deniers of the Holocaust would be embarrassed
 to post such obvious drivel.

 You are a Holohoax denier and that is were you are going wrong.


  Ms Zimmerman
 > is willing to expose the Jews for what they really are and only in
 doing so
 > by telling the truth. Ms Zimmerman I thank God for the bearers of the
 truth
 > such as yourself.

 More general nonsensical commentary from the willfully ignorant, hoping
 to substitute talk for knowledge.

 I was thinking the same thing , so just read and learn.
 >
 >
 > Ms. Zimmerman wrote:
 >
 >  There are compelling reasons to believe that the so-called holocaust
 never
 > existed.
 >
 >
 > Michael Snead wrote:
 >
 > This is going to  to be good! Pay attention here!
 >
 > Ms. Zimmerman wrote:
 >
 >  Page 223, in The Diary of Anne Frank, Pan Horizons edition, Pan
 >  Books Ltd., London, 1989, indicates that the size of AUSCHWITZ, the
 > most notorious of all German work camps, WAS VERY SMALL, with only
 11,000
 > people (many of whom may not even have been Jews) being evacuated by
 the
 > Germans at the time of the Russian advance in 1945.
 >
 >
 > Michael Snead wrote:
 >
 >     Nice going. Not only does the book refer to the size of the camp,
 but the
 > Jews in this  particular camp had a choice to stay in the camp and
 wait for
 > the Russian liberators or leave with those nasty, mean, Nazis (sic).

 It does not refer to the size of the camp. It refers to the number of
 prisoners remaining in the camp at the end just before the Soviets
 liberated it. Much research and writing has been done on this topic,
 but it would be too much to expect you to study any of it before making
 ignorant pronouncements.

 Again you try to cover up your lack of knowledge on this subject by trying
to accuse others of doing exactly what you are doing.



  The
 > majority of the Jews who could travel left with the Germans.

 Yes, because as the Jews have said, they didn't believe the Nazis,
 believing instead that if they had opted to stay they would have been
 killed. You are attempting to offer a rationale for their decision
 which is not true.

 Attempting? It has been said and the author of the book said it and now you
claim to know more than the author? Does your intelligence (sic) ever cease?
Ha Ha Ha Ha

 I know that a
 > Jew can take a five dollar bill and after he has swindled a dozen or
 so
 > people be a millionaire. Like the way the Russian (Jewish) Mafia in
 Russia
 > has done with the IMF's 15 billion dollars and Mr. Frankel who was
 caught
 > today(9-5-99) after embezzling 200 million from insurance funds.


 Mere hateful, antisemitic ranting. This person needs some kind of
 professional help.

 Truth is not ranting and the profession help is needed for you  to help cope
with the truth.

  However, the
 > Jews count about the way Louis Farahkhan counted at the 241,000 man
 march a
 > few years ago and threatened to sue if the figures weren't raised to
 a
 > million. In Germany there were only 500,000 Jews total. Let's
 see....hmmm
 > 500,000 times the 12 tribes of Israel is 6 million.

 More ignorance! The Nazis killed Europe's Jews, not just Germany's, so
 the number of German Jews is irrelevant. Do you normally get away with
 such obvious lies? Do you lie to Him as well?

 Of all people you wouldn't know ignorance if it bit you in the face.

  Plus interest on four
 > years is 6,355,000 Jews. So then the 6 million that weren't there to
 begin
 > with that are accounted for being dead and the 355,000 interest that
 we owe
 > the Jews...Let's see, my figuring comes up with about 145,000 actual
 > casualties.

 And your mathematical abilities mirror your historical abilities.


At least I have abilities and not dis-abilities. The time will come in this
country when they will have special parking beside the expectant mothers for
those who believe in the Holocaust.
 >
 >
 > Ms. Zimmerman wrote:
 > Certainly, compared to Spielberg's film, Schindler's List (which
 Emilie
 > Schindler, Oskar's widow, said was full of lies),
 >
 >
 > Michael Snead wrote:
 >
 > Another truth from a WITNESS

 A lie.

 The Truth...Hallalujah!!!!Blessed be the name of the lord which is Jesus!!!!
 >
 >
 > Ms. Zimmerman wrote:
 >  and other Jewish propaganda, that millions upon millions of Jews
 were
 > systematically exterminated, 11,000 people is a very small number.
 >
 > Michael Snead wrote:
 >
 > The correct interpretation of that number and the numbers throughout
 the
 > war have now been provided, demonstrating the Jewish numbers silly.

 No interpretation of the numbers have been provided and couldn't
 possibly be provided by an ignoramous who states that Auschwitz could
 only hold 11,000 people!

 Only an Ignoramus would believe otherwise...Special parking is coming...LOL

 >
 > Ms Zimmerman wrote:
 >  Simple arithmetic tells us that the Germans would have had to have
 had
 >  hundreds of camps, or else they would have had to exterminate 137
 > people PER HOUR, in order for six million Jews to have been
 exterminated at
 > such
 > small camps as Auschwitz, a feat that would have been humanly
 impossible
 > considering that, according to Douglas Reed's Behind the Scene and
 > The Controversy of Zion, a mere 850,000 soldiers and others were
 killed
 > by the entire German and Japanese war machines combined during  WWII
 >
 >
 > Michael Snead wrote:
 >  Only an ignorant Jewish Racist Talmud reading intolerant fool would
 post
 > otherwise.

 Anyone aware of the facts would post otherwise. The post from the
 Institute for Contemporary History of Germany lists the major camps and
 the death toll. It has the benefit of being based on historical
 knowledge, not antisemitic animus. Ms. Zimmerman's lie about the
 numbers killed by the German army can be easily seen by consulting
 basic texts on WWII.

Ms Zimmerman, you have out done your self...You will be the cause of special
parking for Philip and again you have him back pedaling
 >
 > Ms. Zimmerman wrote:
 > (see p.397-400 of Douglas Reed's book Controversy of Zion). People
 who would
 > believe the Jewish propaganda that six million Jews were exterminated
 by
 > Hitler
 > must
 >  KEEP IN MIND THE SMALL SCALE CONSTRUCTION OF AUSCHWITZ AND THE VERY
 FEW
 > OTHER GERMAN WORK CAMPS THAT EXISTED DURING WWII.
 >
 >
 > Michael Snead wrote:
 > You  know what you're talking about Ms Zimmerman. The
 Auschwitz-Birkenau camp
 > was was first of all only large enough to hold 11,000 people.

 A falsehood, and not even supported by the diary entry she distorted.
 The camp held in excess of 100,000 people at a time and transport
 records record more than 1.4 million Jews shipped to Auschwitz. Where
 did they go?

Bermuda?

  Only a fool
 > would believe that the Nazi's built accommodations for the Jews when
 they
 > were only going to kill them.

 Nonsense. Auschwitz-Birkenau was also a major labor camp and many Jews
 worked for a time before dying or being gassed. Laborers need some form
 of housing. Much of this camp still exists of course, and the
 construction documents for the camp do as well. It says much about the
 desperation of Zimmerman and Snead that they are willing to lie about
 such a documented fact, hoping mere assertion will be accepted. I
 wonder what else they are willing to lie about?

You cannot deny the truth and you know it...You fear for your removal from
every country in the world...



  Only a fool would believe that with a war
 > effort taking place, the Nazi's were moving Jews from here to there
 and back
 > and forth and around and through and on and on and on.

 Only a fool would deny what there is extensive records for, such as
 transport documents, corroborated by the testimony of Nazis such as
 Eichmann who was in charge of that very function. But don't let me
 interrupt your fantasy!

 Only a fool would believe the latter...Your fantasy is the HOLOCau$T.
 >
 >  Ms. Zimmerman wrote:
 >  On July 13, 1994, a documentary on the life of Charles A.Lindbergh
 >  broadcast on the Public Broadcast System (PBS - KENW-TV) said that
 > when Lindbergh visited one of these few camps in Germany following
 WWII,
 > he was told that 25,000 died in 1-1/2 years. Again, simple arithmetic
 tells
 > us that  25,000 times a half dozen camps does not equal 6,000,000. In
 fact,
 > it
 > doesn't even equal 600,000.
 >
 >
 > Michael Snead wrote:
 > Ms Zimmerman, Jewish Math is amazing isn't it?

 You mean irrelevant don't you. She picks a small camp that wasn't a
 death camp, assumes the total who died at a non-death camp is a
 suitable average, and then goes her merry way! The 5 major death camps
 of Poland, as well as others where gassing took place are outlined in
 the post "German Institute of Contemporary History".


Yeah Yeah Yeah...Isn't it something how there were ten supposed death camps
and they were all in Soviet(Jewish Controlled) Russia? Amazing Grace how
Sweet the Sound....I LOVE IT!!!!! Are you trying to get a wheel chair too?
 >
 >
 > Ms Zimmerman wrote:
 >  Obviously, nobody will ever know for sure what the absolute truth is
 >  regarding the number of people killed in any war but the idea that
 six
 >  million Jews were systematically exterminated by Hitler does not
 > stand the test of the available data, nor of common sense.
 >
 >
 > Michael Snead wrote:
 > It doesn't stand the test very well at all. What does stand the test
 is Ms.
 > Zimmerman's ability to tick off a chameleon. She clearly enhances her
 > audiences
 > intelligence in posting great information and evidently will post any
 truth,
 > no matter
 > what!!!

 SHe posted one figure form a diary, distorting what it meant, and from
 that point on made up everything else. I suppose that's fine with you
 as long as the result is to smear Jews and rehabilitate Nazis.
Pity, Pity,  the Jews have smeared the Nazi's long enough. Now that the
tables are being turned you want to act like a victim.

  To smear Jews and rehabilitate Nazis is the right thing to do after
 > what the Jewish lies have done to such a great country such as
 Germany.

 Jews helped make Germany a great country. The German people paid a
 great price for following Hitler and the Nazis. That you and Zimmerman
 would like to see Nazism rehabilitated tells us all we need to know
 about your "Christian" ideals.

 Philip Mathews

NOW PHILIP YOU ARE NOT A JUDGE, JUST A FUTURE HANDICAP PARKING PARTICIPANT. I
love all of God's children even the Nazi's. Do you not love the Nazi's too?
Now don't lie to us.

 Michael Snead
14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: German Institute of Contemporary History's Es
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 13:20:29 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

My answers again are in the size 12 lettering and bold.
Michael Snead
14/88

Your repetitive nature really bores me but I will entertain you with my
truthful inserts again.

In a message dated 9/6/99 11:09:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
philnancy@aol.com writes:

<< Snead wrote:


 philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
 original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=827
 > In a message dated 9/5/99 10:49:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
 > philnancy@aol.com writes:
 >
 > << 5.29 million >>
 >
 >     Now your moving in the right direction.

 How typical of you to lie and distort in the very first sentence!  The
 section said:

No distorting just fact

The number of the Jews killed in Europe due to the effects of the Nazi
 tyranny amounts, according to the newest research to at least 5.29
 million. Possibly, however, also more than six million.

Possibly?  Meaning there is a chance that it MIGHT BE...The merest chance,
perhaps


 >...considering that the allied
 > forces were continually bombing refineries and that gasoline and
 diesel were
 > being rationed

 Allied bombing had no affect on the camps until the very end of the war.

 They bombed all supply routes, refineries, factories, ....

 > and also the fact that the manpower to remove these bodies,


 You really know nothing of this, do you? They had massive manpower.
 They were called Jews. In the camps Jews did all the work, emptying the
 gas chambers and manning the crematoria, and disposing of bodies and
 ash. Your desperate attempt to find an argument would meet with more
 success if you were to familiarize yourself with a basic understanding
 of the history.

Massive Manpower, I thought that the mean Nazis were killing the Jews, You
make no sense at all. Use logic Philip, don't let other people feed you their
lies.


and the purpose
 > of building the consentration camps was for housing them not to kill
 the
 > Nazis surely would have had lesser facilities to kill the Jews and
 not wasted
 > their time building a place for them.

 You might try this again in English once you figure out what point you
 had.

 You might try the fact that the Jews had a place built for them to stay in.
If the Nazis were to kill them they would have let the winter weather kill
them and claimed that they froze to death because of allied bombing. so don't
be so obstinent.

  Do you realize how ridiculous the Jews
 > reasoning for the death camps are?

 It's not the Jews reasoning, it's everyone's reasoning, including
 historians. Only a few fringe kooks like yourself believe otherwise.

Kooks , now ,Philip,  are we getting testy?

No Zyklon B was ever detected in the
 > chambers anyway.

 False. Residues of HCN were detected on the walls of every gas chamber
 at Auscwitz, including those which had been exposed to the elements for
 decades. Another lie shot down.

 No detection's of the sort were found, maybe delicing agents...another truth
uplifted!

  Talk about posting Lies. Good God almighty will deal with
 > you in the hereafter...no I take that back...You will be seeing your
 Holy
 > Father... Satan.

 It is you, draping yourself in the garments of the Lord and lying and
 hating who will have much to answer for. He sees through you easily!

 The Lord God Almighty sees through us all, and as I have said before, you
are not the Judge nor my Savior of my soul. You have never heard me say I
hated anyone so what is your point?

  May the Lord Jesus Christ, who your people crucified on the
 > cross

 Another lie. The Romans crucified Jesus.

 Read Mark 15:1-14 The Chief priest carried Jesus to Pontius Pilate. Pilate
ask Jesus if he was the King of the Jews and Jesus replied,"Thou sayest it."
and the chief priests accused him of many things.. Pilate was going to
release someone and I feel that he wanted to release Jesus but he asked the
multitude  and they said Crucify Him. The Jews were the false accusers, they
were the false witnesses, and they were the prosecution.

  >and died for your sins, too, have mercy on your morbid soul.

 The last thing I need is for a liar and hater saying a pray for me.
 You'd best pray for forgiveness and turn to the true word of God.

 Philip Mathews

  Let him that is without sin cast the first stone. John 8:7
Michael Snead14/88



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Subject: [13texan] Re: Talmud and Holocaust
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 13:47:53 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

In a message dated 9/6/99 11:24:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
philnancy@aol.com writes:

<< Snead wrote:

 philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
 original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=829
 > David,
 >     I have visited your website and  and will read all that you will
 provide.
 > To disagree with any thought, theory, or revaluation does not make
 one a
 > hater.

 It does when you consistently choose to believe lies and smears of Jews
 over the obvious facts. Such a consistent choice cannot be due to
 chance, but reveals a deep seated animus which itself dictates what you
 will accept as truth rather than assessing issues to determine truth
 from lies first.

 I believe the truth, you are the blinded soul.....oops you are a Jew though.

  I do not agree with those who think that the holocaust happened,
 > however that does not make me a hatemonger.

 It is a manifestation of your hate, not a cause of it. You might as
 well deny the First World War. Such denial in the face of proven
 history is revealing, especially since the event happens to involve
 Jews. Do you also deny the Armenian genocide?

What I haven't denied is the fact that Jewish controlled Soviet Russia
blatantly killed any where from 66-112 million people. Some of your so called
mass graves that you say have been found are probably some of the people.
Armenian Genocide? That didn't happen because my neighbor is Armenian. Ha HA
HA What a bonafide liar. Genocide...an obvious Jewish word since it first
appeared in Europe in 1944 and meaning the deliberate and systematic
destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group.

 >     For years I was a Dallas Cowboy fan (Tom Landry era) and my
 friends were
 > Washington Redskin fans, now when the Redskins were lucky enough to
 beat the
 > Cowboys I was not to be convinced that the Redskins were a better
 football
 > team than the Cowboys, no matter what!  I wasn't a hater of Redskin
 fans, I
 > just didn't like the Redskins.

 No wonder you have trouble with higher order thinking.
 Or understanding the lower mentalities that feverishly feed on propaganda.
The key word above being,"was," meaning in English past tense. ie. I was a
believer of the holocaust propaganda until I saw the light....Meaning The
Jews have Lied to me as a child but when I became a Man I put away childish
things....like the holocaust. I am now a Holohoax believer.

 >     Because I do not agree with you or Philip Mathews doesn't make me
 hate
 > you or Philip. Do you hate me? I am of the belief that I must tell
 what is in
 > my heart and not sit idoly by and allow, what I feel to be, a
 fabrication to
 > be glorified.


 It is you who engage in fabrications, whether of your own design or
 others. When your errors are pointed out, you rant and refuse to be
 educated. The inevitable conclusion is you wish to be ignorant in your
 hatred of Jews.

Now this is funny, I engage in fabrications? No I do not believe the
fabrications. You call educating me is believing your lies from the pits of
Hell? Now answer the question, Do You Hate me Philip? Just answer the
question.I hate no one...though I hate their lies.

>     If I have no freedom to believe what I believe without being called
 a hater
 > then I have no freedom.

 You have the freedom to believe it. And others have the freedom to
 refute you.

 And likewise....I have freedom and thank you for giving it to me and I hate
your lies and will continue to refute those atrocious lies that you spin.

 >If you are the involved with the "Mind Police" then
 > you have a suspect right here. I will engage with you a civil dialog
 if you
 > wish. I will read all that you have on your website.

 Get started, you have much to learn.

 I have read most of the propoganda of the Jews so to learn anything from you
or your kind would be like going to a government controlled school to get an
education.
 Philip Mathews



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Subject: [13texan] Phony Holohoax Numbers II
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 10:52:24 PDT
From: "Jeanne-Marie Zimmerman" 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

First, I appreciate Michael Snead's post after mine, but the information I
provided was not written by me. Here's part II, and to little Philip, "Heil
Hitler," and "Go, Eric, go." JM 14/88
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      It is an interesting fact that the number of so-called
"persecuted Jews" KEEPS INCREASING.  Hal Greenwald, program
director for the Hillel Foundation at Duke University, a Jewish student
group, has been promoting the idea that NINE MILLION JEWS WERE
EXTERMINATED IN HITLER'S GAS CHAMBERS (New York Times, Nov. 9, 1991, AP).
NOW IT'S 9 MILLION AND GROWING...JUST LIKE OUR DEBT/TAX MONEY SUPPLY...THE
NUMBERS JUST KEEP COMING OUT OF THIN AIR.  Even The Diary of Anne Frank
gives data which indicates that a much smaller number of Jews were put into
the German work camps.  The idea that six million Jews were slaughtered by
Hitler is about as believable as it is to believe that your friendly local
banker doesn't print the money he loans to you.
      After presenting well documented and authoritative data from
many sources, including many Jewish sources, under the heading
entitled "Six Million Lost and Found" in his book Behind the Scene,
Douglas Reed simply says, "The estimate (that the number is six million) is
historically valueless".  Yet, the Jews continue to keep the truth well
hidden, even about their debt/tax slavery money system and Jewish Slave Law.
  Is it anymore plausible that six million Jews were slaughtered by the
Germans than it is to believe that General
Eisenhower slaughtered a million German POWS? The controversy
continues to rage over the publication of Other Losses by Canadian
author James Bacque, who documented  that while a million German
prisoners were on a near-starvation diet, a Red cross train from Geneva
loaded with food parcels enroute to feed those German prisoners was forced
to turn back so the food could be used to feed "displaced persons" (meaning
Jews) in Germany. And while we are looking at "atrocities", who can forget
Agent Orange in Viet Nam, or the treatment of Japanese Americans here at
home during WWII, or the Aleutian I sland scenario.
      Atrocities are atrocities, whether committed against Jews, or
against the Vietnamese by American fire bombing, or against Japanese
Americans (as in the infamous WWII American concentration camps),
or whether against the Arabs (as in the massive bombing of Iraq during
the Gulf War), or against the German people (as in the slaughter of the
German people by the massive American and allied bombing of city
after city in Germany during WWII, and the Jewish holocaust against the
Germans following WWII), or, whether it is the atrocity committed
against Jesus by the Jews, or whether it is an atrocity againstany other
person or groups of persons by anybody else... atrocities are atrocities,
and the Jews are not entitled to any special sympathy over another people.
Two wrongs have never made a right.
      Perverting and twisting the truth about the number of Jews
who suffered during WWII continues to be very effective propaganda in
helping to deceive the American people into believing that Jewish Slave Law
is ordained by God so the "chosen people" can enslave the world.
      In May of 1994, I received a letter from Captain Jacques H.
Dore D.S.C. (ret.), Conseil Régional de Bretagne, Conseiller Municipal
de Boulogne, France, which said, in part, the following: "Whenin the
Free French Naval Mission in Hamburg (Germany) in 1946, the U.S.
estimate of the holocaust showed some 600,000 victims including
gypsies, members of the resistances in Europe, etc. (emphas is mine).
Now, this very day the estimate published by the (Jewish)lobbies
amounts to more than 6 million. No doubt in the year 2050 we will hear
of 10 million victims".

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Historians and Holocaust Denial
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 13:54:00 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
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Come on Philip enough lying buddy. How do you look yourself in the mirror?
Michael Snead
14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Douglas Reed
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 11:08:41 PDT
From: "Jeanne-Marie Zimmerman" 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

One on Willie's list asked me this question:
Hi,

I am not familiar with Douglas Reed's book BEHIND THE SCENE, but would like
to get hold of it. Could you give me the publisher's name and ISBN number?
Is it still in print?

Thanks!
~~~~~~~
Me: I'm answering this to this person as well as to the list to provide
information to all on the IHR:

I don't know if this book is still in print. The article sent by me to
Willie's list was not written by me. I'm sending the article in 3-4
installments, though. You might be able to find something on Douglas Reed
on-line. Otherwise, call the Institute for Historical Review at: (949)
631-1490. They're in California. This # will give you their Noontide Press.
Ask them about Mr. Reed's books. There is one called, "Controversy of Zion"
which I believe they still have. Ask for their catalogue.
Best Regards,
JM

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Phony Holohoax Numbers
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 11:11:35 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=839

> To make this easy to read I did my reply in font 12 bold lettering.
> Michael Snead....
> 14/88
>
>
> In a message dated 9/6/99 10:58:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> philnancy@aol.com writes:
>
> << Snead wrote:
>
>
>  philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
>  original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=826
>  > Ms. Zimmerman wrote:
>  >
>  > Part I
>  >
>  >  Excerpt from "Freedom From Bible Slave Law", by L. Clifford Cheney
>  > (1998),  footnote #96:
>  >  A good place to start understanding the Zionist aims for the
Jewish
>  >  take-over and control of the world would be the writings of
Douglas
>  >  Reed, especially his books, Behind the Scene (a reprint of Part
Two
>  of Far
>  >  and Wide), with focus on the section entitled "Six Million Lost
and
>  >  Found" in the Chapter entitled "Zionism Paramount, and The
>  Controversy of
>  > Zion,
>  >  along with Henry Ford Sr.'s book, The International Jew: The
World's
>  > Foremost
>  >  Problem.
>  >
>  >
>  > Michael Snead  wrote:
>  >
>  >         Jewish take over of the world!  What a joke to believe that
>  the Jews
>  > had nothing other in mind than to enslave the entire world by their
>  monetary
>  > control.
>
>  What monetary control? More mindless conspiracy nonsense. Do you
teach
>  your children this foolishness?
>
>  If you refute it , it must be the truth.

Ah, if being the operative word!

>
>   >Only the dimmest of the dim would believe anything else. Only a
>  > dimwitted Jew with the Talmud as his Holy (sic) writings would
think
>  that no
>  > one could see through the chameleon race.
>
>  True followers of the Lord don't condemn people based on their race.
>  You are an unChristian hater.

>  What would you know about true followers of the Lord? Your people
have lied
> about him for centuries and now you are a Judge? HaHaHaHa!!!!

Apparently more than you. And who are my people? More mindless group
hate eh. No one has lied about Him as much as you have lied about Jews
and others.

>
>
>  > A Jew has to deny these facts and
>  > refute them with vigor because of the power of the Aryans people.
>
>  There have been no facts presented, only distortions which I have
>  pointed out for all to see. Your ignorance of the subject matter
>  prevents you from saying anything specific on the matter.
>
> What you call distortions are Facts...you are blinded by the lies of
your
> past.

No they are not facts, as has been shown. You wish to believe them
because you hate Jews and you wish to believe anything which casts them
in a bad light.

>
>   To admit to
>  > such idiocy in public would be fatal to the Jewish race in both
>  Hemispheres.
>  > Ms. Zimmerman apparently is willing to tell the truth, unlike the
>  "chameleon"
>  > on this list who is a Talmud believer and a "Holohoax denier."
>
>  Ms. Zimmerman lied and distorted the the Auschwitz numbers in the
>  diary. Even knowledgeable deniers of the Holocaust would be
embarrassed
>  to post such obvious drivel.
>
>  You are a Holohoax denier and that is were you are going wrong.

More unsupported conjecture. Ms. Zimmerman's lies were shown, and you
run from discussing them.

>
>
>   Ms Zimmerman
>  > is willing to expose the Jews for what they really are and only in
>  doing so
>  > by telling the truth. Ms Zimmerman I thank God for the bearers of
the
>  truth
>  > such as yourself.
>
>  More general nonsensical commentary from the willfully ignorant,
hoping
>  to substitute talk for knowledge.
>
>  I was thinking the same thing , so just read and learn.

But you are wrong.

>  >
>  >
>  > Ms. Zimmerman wrote:
>  >
>  >  There are compelling reasons to believe that the so-called
holocaust
>  never
>  > existed.
>  >
>  >
>  > Michael Snead wrote:
>  >
>  > This is going to  to be good! Pay attention here!
>  >
>  > Ms. Zimmerman wrote:
>  >
>  >  Page 223, in The Diary of Anne Frank, Pan Horizons edition, Pan
>  >  Books Ltd., London, 1989, indicates that the size of AUSCHWITZ,
the
>  > most notorious of all German work camps, WAS VERY SMALL, with only
>  11,000
>  > people (many of whom may not even have been Jews) being evacuated
by
>  the
>  > Germans at the time of the Russian advance in 1945.
>  >
>  >
>  > Michael Snead wrote:
>  >
>  >     Nice going. Not only does the book refer to the size of the
camp,
>  but the
>  > Jews in this  particular camp had a choice to stay in the camp and
>  wait for
>  > the Russian liberators or leave with those nasty, mean, Nazis
(sic).
>
>  It does not refer to the size of the camp. It refers to the number of
>  prisoners remaining in the camp at the end just before the Soviets
>  liberated it. Much research and writing has been done on this topic,
>  but it would be too much to expect you to study any of it before
making
>  ignorant pronouncements.
>
>  Again you try to cover up your lack of knowledge on this subject by
trying
> to accuse others of doing exactly what you are doing.

And again you offer not a single fact, just ignorant opinion. Do you
have any facts about Auschwitz or the Holocaust? How many people were
shipped there during the war? Hmmmm?

>
>
>
>   The
>  > majority of the Jews who could travel left with the Germans.
>
>  Yes, because as the Jews have said, they didn't believe the Nazis,
>  believing instead that if they had opted to stay they would have been
>  killed. You are attempting to offer a rationale for their decision
>  which is not true.
>
>  Attempting? It has been said and the author of the book said it and
now you
> claim to know more than the author?

But that's a lie. That's not what the author said. The lie was that the
Jews preferred to go with the Nazis rather than stay with the Soviets.
That is not the decision the Jews made. More distortion and lies, have
you no shame?

 Does your intelligence (sic) ever cease?
> Ha Ha Ha Ha
>
>  I know that a
>  > Jew can take a five dollar bill and after he has swindled a dozen
or
>  so
>  > people be a millionaire. Like the way the Russian (Jewish) Mafia in
>  Russia
>  > has done with the IMF's 15 billion dollars and Mr. Frankel who was
>  caught
>  > today(9-5-99) after embezzling 200 million from insurance funds.
>
>
>  Mere hateful, antisemitic ranting. This person needs some kind of
>  professional help.
>
>  Truth is not ranting and the profession help is needed for you  to
help cope
> with the truth.

You have no truth. Only lies, as I continually demonstrate.

>
>   However, the
>  > Jews count about the way Louis Farahkhan counted at the 241,000 man
>  march a
>  > few years ago and threatened to sue if the figures weren't raised
to
>  a
>  > million. In Germany there were only 500,000 Jews total. Let's
>  see....hmmm
>  > 500,000 times the 12 tribes of Israel is 6 million.
>
>  More ignorance! The Nazis killed Europe's Jews, not just Germany's,
so
>  the number of German Jews is irrelevant. Do you normally get away
with
>  such obvious lies? Do you lie to Him as well?
>
>  Of all people you wouldn't know ignorance if it bit you in the face.

I note you have no rebuttal to the exposure of your ignorance on the
number of Jews. How typical.

>
>   Plus interest on four
>  > years is 6,355,000 Jews. So then the 6 million that weren't there
to
>  begin
>  > with that are accounted for being dead and the 355,000 interest
that
>  we owe
>  > the Jews...Let's see, my figuring comes up with about 145,000
actual
>  > casualties.
>
>  And your mathematical abilities mirror your historical abilities.
>
>
> At least I have abilities and not dis-abilities. The time will come
in this
> country when they will have special parking beside the expectant
mothers for
> those who believe in the Holocaust.

The wishful fantasy of someone who belongs to extremist fringe group of
kooks, who's beliefs place them on the outskirts of decent people, and
who will remain there.

>  >
>  >
>  > Ms. Zimmerman wrote:
>  > Certainly, compared to Spielberg's film, Schindler's List (which
>  Emilie
>  > Schindler, Oskar's widow, said was full of lies),
>  >
>  >
>  > Michael Snead wrote:
>  >
>  > Another truth from a WITNESS
>
>  A lie.
>
>  The Truth...Hallalujah!!!!Blessed be the name of the lord which is
Jesus!!!

A lie, one you now use to cite the name of Jesus in what amounts to a
profanation. How Christian of you. Would you care to show some evidence
the statement was made?

>  >
>  > Ms. Zimmerman wrote:
>  >  and other Jewish propaganda, that millions upon millions of Jews
>  were
>  > systematically exterminated, 11,000 people is a very small number.
>  >
>  > Michael Snead wrote:
>  >
>  > The correct interpretation of that number and the numbers
throughout
>  the
>  > war have now been provided, demonstrating the Jewish numbers silly.
>
>  No interpretation of the numbers have been provided and couldn't
>  possibly be provided by an ignoramous who states that Auschwitz could
>  only hold 11,000 people!
>
>  Only an Ignoramus would believe otherwise...Special parking is
coming...LOL

Then post some evidence. Of course you can't, not only because it isn't
true, but even if it were, you are so ignorant of the relevant
literature, you wouldn't know where to find it!

>
>  >
>  > Ms Zimmerman wrote:
>  >  Simple arithmetic tells us that the Germans would have had to have
>  had
>  >  hundreds of camps, or else they would have had to exterminate 137
>  > people PER HOUR, in order for six million Jews to have been
>  exterminated at
>  > such
>  > small camps as Auschwitz, a feat that would have been humanly
>  impossible
>  > considering that, according to Douglas Reed's Behind the Scene and
>  > The Controversy of Zion, a mere 850,000 soldiers and others were
>  killed
>  > by the entire German and Japanese war machines combined during
WWII
>  >
>  >
>  > Michael Snead wrote:
>  >  Only an ignorant Jewish Racist Talmud reading intolerant fool
would
>  post
>  > otherwise.
>
>  Anyone aware of the facts would post otherwise. The post from the
>  Institute for Contemporary History of Germany lists the major camps
and
>  the death toll. It has the benefit of being based on historical
>  knowledge, not antisemitic animus. Ms. Zimmerman's lie about the
>  numbers killed by the German army can be easily seen by consulting
>  basic texts on WWII.
>
> Ms Zimmerman, you have out done your self...You will be the cause of
special
> parking for Philip and again you have him back pedaling

More off topic nonsense. Mr. Snead is obviously unable to discuss the
topic, being unfamiliar with the basic facts. Are you ever going to say
anything pertinent to the issue?

>  >
>  > Ms. Zimmerman wrote:
>  > (see p.397-400 of Douglas Reed's book Controversy of Zion). People
>  who would
>  > believe the Jewish propaganda that six million Jews were
exterminated
>  by
>  > Hitler
>  > must
>  >  KEEP IN MIND THE SMALL SCALE CONSTRUCTION OF AUSCHWITZ AND THE
VERY
>  FEW
>  > OTHER GERMAN WORK CAMPS THAT EXISTED DURING WWII.
>  >
>  >
>  > Michael Snead wrote:
>  > You  know what you're talking about Ms Zimmerman. The
>  Auschwitz-Birkenau camp
>  > was was first of all only large enough to hold 11,000 people.
>
>  A falsehood, and not even supported by the diary entry she distorted.
>  The camp held in excess of 100,000 people at a time and transport
>  records record more than 1.4 million Jews shipped to Auschwitz. Where
>  did they go?
>
> Bermuda?

Snead admits his inability to responde.

>
>   Only a fool
>  > would believe that the Nazi's built accommodations for the Jews
when
>  they
>  > were only going to kill them.
>
>  Nonsense. Auschwitz-Birkenau was also a major labor camp and many
Jews
>  worked for a time before dying or being gassed. Laborers need some
form
>  of housing. Much of this camp still exists of course, and the
>  construction documents for the camp do as well. It says much about
the
>  desperation of Zimmerman and Snead that they are willing to lie about
>  such a documented fact, hoping mere assertion will be accepted. I
>  wonder what else they are willing to lie about?
>
> You cannot deny the truth and you know it...You fear for your removal
from
> every country in the world...
>

Hehehe. Why bother to repeat yourself? You can't even respond to the
evidence when it is given to you. My people have never been removed
from any country, Jew hater. And you lies will be exposed every time
you utter them.

>
>
>   Only a fool would believe that with a war
>  > effort taking place, the Nazi's were moving Jews from here to there
>  and back
>  > and forth and around and through and on and on and on.
>
>  Only a fool would deny what there is extensive records for, such as
>  transport documents, corroborated by the testimony of Nazis such as
>  Eichmann who was in charge of that very function. But don't let me
>  interrupt your fantasy!
>
>  Only a fool would believe the latter...Your fantasy is the
HOLOCau$T.

More irrelevant nonsense from a poor wretch who has given up trying to
defend his Holocaust lies, and for good reason.

>  >
>  >  Ms. Zimmerman wrote:
>  >  On July 13, 1994, a documentary on the life of Charles A.Lindbergh
>  >  broadcast on the Public Broadcast System (PBS - KENW-TV) said that
>  > when Lindbergh visited one of these few camps in Germany following
>  WWII,
>  > he was told that 25,000 died in 1-1/2 years. Again, simple
arithmetic
>  tells
>  > us that  25,000 times a half dozen camps does not equal 6,000,000.
In
>  fact,
>  > it
>  > doesn't even equal 600,000.
>  >
>  >
>  > Michael Snead wrote:
>  > Ms Zimmerman, Jewish Math is amazing isn't it?
>
>  You mean irrelevant don't you. She picks a small camp that wasn't a
>  death camp, assumes the total who died at a non-death camp is a
>  suitable average, and then goes her merry way! The 5 major death
camps
>  of Poland, as well as others where gassing took place are outlined in
>  the post "German Institute of Contemporary History".
>
>
> Yeah Yeah Yeah...Isn't it something how there were ten supposed death
camps
> and they were all in Soviet(Jewish Controlled) Russia?

False on both counts. No one said 10 death camps, and they were in
German controlled Poland. Can't get anything correct, can you!

Amazing Grace how
> Sweet the Sound....I LOVE IT!!!!! Are you trying to get a wheel chair
too?

Pathetic, and you're not even intelligenct enough to know shame.

>  >
>  >
>  > Ms Zimmerman wrote:
>  >  Obviously, nobody will ever know for sure what the absolute truth
is
>  >  regarding the number of people killed in any war but the idea that
>  six
>  >  million Jews were systematically exterminated by Hitler does not
>  > stand the test of the available data, nor of common sense.
>  >
>  >
>  > Michael Snead wrote:
>  > It doesn't stand the test very well at all. What does stand the
test
>  is Ms.
>  > Zimmerman's ability to tick off a chameleon. She clearly enhances
her
>  > audiences
>  > intelligence in posting great information and evidently will post
any
>  truth,
>  > no matter
>  > what!!!
>
>  SHe posted one figure form a diary, distorting what it meant, and
from
>  that point on made up everything else. I suppose that's fine with you
>  as long as the result is to smear Jews and rehabilitate Nazis.
> Pity, Pity,  the Jews have smeared the Nazi's long enough. Now that
the
> tables are being turned you want to act like a victim.
>
>   To smear Jews and rehabilitate Nazis is the right thing to do after
>  > what the Jewish lies have done to such a great country such as
>  Germany.
>
>  Jews helped make Germany a great country. The German people paid a
>  great price for following Hitler and the Nazis. That you and
Zimmerman
>  would like to see Nazism rehabilitated tells us all we need to know
>  about your "Christian" ideals.
>
>  Philip Mathews
>
> NOW PHILIP YOU ARE NOT A JUDGE, JUST A FUTURE HANDICAP PARKING
PARTICIPANT.

Oh, I most certainly am a judge and you are a hateful antisemite who's
hate will probably have a profound impact on his life here and in the
hereafter.

 I
> love all of God's children even the Nazi's. Do you not love the
Nazi's too?
> Now don't lie to us.

No you don't. You're a obvious hater, following a decadent pseudo form
of Christianity and condemned to the fringes of a society which abhors
you.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: German Institute of Contemporary History's Es
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 11:26:38 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=840
> My answers again are in the size 12 lettering and bold.
> Michael Snead
> 14/88
>
>
>
> Your repetitive nature really bores me but I will entertain you with
my
> truthful inserts again.

Sorry if pointing out your lies is repetitive, but if you would stop
lying that wouldn't be necessary. Your inserts are lies, either
purposeful of from ignorance, but lies nonetheless.

>
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 9/6/99 11:09:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> philnancy@aol.com writes:
>
> << Snead wrote:
>
>
>  philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
>  original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=827
>  > In a message dated 9/5/99 10:49:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>  > philnancy@aol.com writes:
>  >
>  > << 5.29 million >>
>  >
>  >     Now your moving in the right direction.
>
>  How typical of you to lie and distort in the very first sentence!
The
>  section said:
>
> No distorting just fact

No, a partial fact, which has the effect of a distortion. My inclusion
of the full quote demonstrates that.

>
>
> The number of the Jews killed in Europe due to the effects of the Nazi
>  tyranny amounts, according to the newest research to at least 5.29
>  million. Possibly, however, also more than six million.
>
> Possibly?  Meaning there is a chance that it MIGHT BE...The merest
chance,
> perhaps

Pretty desperate, huh.

>
>
>  >...considering that the allied
>  > forces were continually bombing refineries and that gasoline and
>  diesel were
>  > being rationed
>
>  Allied bombing had no affect on the camps until the very end of the
war.
>
>  They bombed all supply routes, refineries, factories, ....

No they didn't. Bombing of the Polish camp areas didn't occur until the
middle of 1944. Wrong again!

>
>  > and also the fact that the manpower to remove these bodies,
>
>
>  You really know nothing of this, do you? They had massive manpower.
>  They were called Jews. In the camps Jews did all the work, emptying
the
>  gas chambers and manning the crematoria, and disposing of bodies and
>  ash. Your desperate attempt to find an argument would meet with more
>  success if you were to familiarize yourself with a basic
understanding
>  of the history.
>
> Massive Manpower, I thought that the mean Nazis were killing the
Jews, You
> make no sense at all. Use logic Philip, don't let other people feed
you their
> lies.

They were killing Jews, and using them to help. Nothing illogical about
that. Which is why you have only this lame response.

>
>
> and the purpose
>  > of building the consentration camps was for housing them not to
kill
>  the
>  > Nazis surely would have had lesser facilities to kill the Jews and
>  not wasted
>  > their time building a place for them.
>
>  You might try this again in English once you figure out what point
you
>  had.
>
>  You might try the fact that the Jews had a place built for them to
stay in.

They were built to kill them, and in a few instances to house them
while they labored a while before being killed. Makes perfect sense.


> If the Nazis were to kill them they would have let the winter weather
kill
> them and claimed that they froze to death because of allied bombing.
so don't
> be so obstinent.

My you are a moron! Let millions of people freeze all over Europe? What
do you do with the bodies in the warm weather when they begin to rot
and disease starts?  How do you disguise a genocide with millions of
bodies all over Europe? It is clear you know nothing of this issue, but
like a child are desperately throwing up any defence, however
illogical, just to avoid admitting defeat.

>
>   Do you realize how ridiculous the Jews
>  > reasoning for the death camps are?
>
>  It's not the Jews reasoning, it's everyone's reasoning, including
>  historians. Only a few fringe kooks like yourself believe otherwise.
>
> Kooks , now ,Philip,  are we getting testy?

You deny being a kook?

>
> No Zyklon B was ever detected in the
>  > chambers anyway.
>
>  False. Residues of HCN were detected on the walls of every gas
chamber
>  at Auscwitz, including those which had been exposed to the elements
for
>  decades. Another lie shot down.
>
>  No detection's of the sort were found, maybe delicing
agents...another truth
> uplifted!

But you said none was found, now you claim it was for de-lousing.
CHanging our tune I see. The HCN compounds and the other evidence point
to homicidal gas chambers. Your statements are nonsense.

>
>   Talk about posting Lies. Good God almighty will deal with
>  > you in the hereafter...no I take that back...You will be seeing
your
>  Holy
>  > Father... Satan.
>
>  It is you, draping yourself in the garments of the Lord and lying and
>  hating who will have much to answer for. He sees through you easily!
>
>  The Lord God Almighty sees through us all, and as I have said
before, you
> are not the Judge nor my Savior of my soul. You have never heard me
say I
> hated anyone so what is your point?

I am judging you, just as you presume to judge all Jews. One doesn't
have to say "I hate" for that to be true. Every post you make reveals
your hate.

>
>   May the Lord Jesus Christ, who your people crucified on the
>  > cross
>
>  Another lie. The Romans crucified Jesus.
>
>  Read Mark 15:1-14 The Chief priest carried Jesus to Pontius Pilate.
Pilate
> ask Jesus if he was the King of the Jews and Jesus replied,"Thou
sayest it."
> and the chief priests accused him of many things.. Pilate was going
to
> release someone and I feel that he wanted to release Jesus but he
asked the
> multitude  and they said Crucify Him. The Jews were the false
accusers, they
> were the false witnesses, and they were the prosecution.

Pilate had the authority and made the decision. This was all the plan
of the Lord, part of the salvation of us all. Accusing Jews of carrying
out the Lords plan is disgusting.

>
>   >and died for your sins, too, have mercy on your morbid soul.

And mercy on your hateful soul, as black as it is.

>
>  The last thing I need is for a liar and hater saying a pray for me.
>  You'd best pray for forgiveness and turn to the true word of God.
>
>  Philip Mathews
>
>   Let him that is without sin cast the first stone.

When will you at last follow this advice, sinner?

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] A Jewish view of the Talmud
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:32:53 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
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Words from a Holocaust survivor about the Talmud

    There are a number of Jews who will dare speak out about the truth of
Zionism and Jewish Supremacism. A much persecuted and slandered group, they
were just as appalled as others about the hateful and intolerant strains of
Judaism that had arisen in the Jewish community and the Zionist state. They
included American Jews such as Alfred Lilienthal, Noam Chomsky, and a
courageous Jew in Israel, Dr. Israel Shahak. These scholars had dared to
stand up against Jewish intolerance.
    Dr. Israel Shahak risks all to bring what he calls decent humanity to
Judaism and the Zionist State. Professor Shahak  was born in 1933 in Warsaw
and was liberated from the Nazi concentration camp at Bergen-Belsen;
therefore, by the Jew standards, was a Holocaust survivor. After immigrating
to Israel and serving in the Israli military, he became a chemistry
professor.
    He has written many books and one being, Jewish History, Jewish Religion.
Here are some of the excerpts from that book exposing the attitude of the
Jewish religion toward Christianity:
    Judaism is imbued with a very deep hatred toward Christianity, combined
with ignorance about it.  This attitude was clearly aggravated by the
Christian persecutions by the Jews but is largely independent of them.  In
fact, it dates from the time when Christianity was still weak and persecuted
(not least by Jews), and it was shared by Jews who had never been persecuted
by Christians who even helped by them...
    According to the Talmud, Jesus was executed by a proper rabbinical court
for idolatry, inciting other Jews to idolatry, and contempt his execution are
quite happy to take responsibility for it; in the [talmudic account the
Romans are not even mentioned.
    The very name Jesus was for Jews a symbol of all that is abominable, and
this popular tradition still persists.  The Gospels are equally detested, and
they are not allowed to be quoted (let alone taught) even in modern Israeli
schools.
    Professor Shahak reports that the Zionists publicly and ceremonially
burned hundred of copies of the New Testament in Jerusalem on March 23, 1980.
 They were destroyed under the auspices of Yad Le'akhim, a Jewish religious
organization subsidized by the Israeli Ministry of Religions.  To think that
this is the same government that some Christian ministers say we should
support with American tax dollars!  Among other startling charges, Dr. Shahak
says:
    Jewish children are actually taught --- passages such as that which
commands every Jew, whenever passing near a cemetery, to utter a blessing if
it is Jewish, but to curse the mothers of the dead if it is non-Jewish . . .
it became customary to spit (usually three times) upon seeing a church or a
crucifix . . . .
    Dr. Shahak quotes the very popular, Israeli-published Talmudic
Encyclopedia, which discusses the relationship between Jew and Goy) "Goy"
meaning any non-Jew).
    If a Jew has coitus [sexual intercourse] with a Gentile woman, whether
she be a child of three or an adult, whether married or unmarried, and even
if she is a minor aged only nine years and one day --- because he had willful
coitus with her, she must be killed, and as is the case with a beast, because
through her a Jew got into trouble.  (The Talmudic Encyclopedia).
    Now these are actual words from a Jew, is he a hater? Is he a Liar? Is he
anti-Semitic? I think not.
Michael Snead
14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Phony Holohoax Numbers II
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 11:44:26 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Ms. Zimmerman wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=842
> First, I appreciate Michael Snead's post after mine, but the
information I
> provided was not written by me.

Which is irrelevant, since you presented it. In any event I
demonstrated it to be without merit, in fact lies.

Here's part II, and to little Philip, "Heil
> Hitler," and "Go, Eric, go." JM 14/88

Ms. Zimmerman demonstrates her Nazi views, repugnant to humanity and
responsible for a great carnage all over Europe.

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>       It is an interesting fact that the number of so-called
> "persecuted Jews" KEEPS INCREASING.  Hal Greenwald, program
> director for the Hillel Foundation at Duke University, a Jewish
student
> group, has been promoting the idea that NINE MILLION JEWS WERE
> EXTERMINATED IN HITLER'S GAS CHAMBERS (New York Times, Nov. 9, 1991,
AP).
> NOW IT'S 9 MILLION AND GROWING...JUST LIKE OUR DEBT/TAX MONEY
SUPPLY...THE
> NUMBERS JUST KEEP COMING OUT OF THIN AIR.

History is not written by student groups at student newspapers. It is
another sign of your desperation to point to a false newspaper account
as if it were the same as accepted historical fact. If every event
about which newspapers made an error was disbelieve on that basis,
there would be know established history at all.

  Even The Diary of Anne Frank
> gives data which indicates that a much smaller number of Jews were
put into
> the German work camps.

It gives no such figures

 The idea that six million Jews were slaughtered by
> Hitler is about as believable as it is to believe that your friendly
local
> banker doesn't print the money he loans to you.

It's a proven fact, hardly rebutted by such silly utterances.

>       After presenting well documented and authoritative data from
> many sources, including many Jewish sources, under the heading
> entitled "Six Million Lost and Found" in his book Behind the Scene,
> Douglas Reed simply says, "The estimate (that the number is six
million) is
> historically valueless".

In other words Ms. Zimmerman wishes us to believe her when she claims
Reed had valid sources, which she omits, instead offering an
unsupported opinion of this Reed fellow.

 Yet, the Jews continue to keep the truth well
> hidden, even about their debt/tax slavery money system and Jewish
Slave Law.

Ranting.


>   Is it anymore plausible that six million Jews were slaughtered by
the
> Germans than it is to believe that General
> Eisenhower slaughtered a million German POWS?

Much more since one is supported by fact and the other is just the lies
of neo-Nazis.

The controversy
> continues to rage over the publication of Other Losses by Canadian
> author James Bacque, who documented  that while a million German
> prisoners were on a near-starvation diet, a Red cross train from
Geneva
> loaded with food parcels enroute to feed those German prisoners was
forced
> to turn back so the food could be used to feed "displaced persons"
(meaning
> Jews) in Germany.

And why shouldn't the food have gone to victims of the Nazis?

 >And while we are looking at "atrocities", who can forget
> Agent Orange in Viet Nam, or the treatment of Japanese Americans here
at
> home during WWII, or the Aleutian I sland scenario.

None of which compare to the genocide of 6 million Jews. Anyone who
would attempt to equate our treatment of Japanese with the Nazi
treatment of Jews is a fool, either with no brain, or no intellectual
honesty.

>       Atrocities are atrocities, whether committed against Jews, or
> against the Vietnamese by American fire bombing, or against Japanese
> Americans (as in the infamous WWII American concentration camps),

Not true. Acts of war are not atrocities, and the camps for Japanese,
while wrong, were hardly infamous. They didn't have gas chambers or
crematoria after all.

> or whether against the Arabs (as in the massive bombing of Iraq during
> the Gulf War), or against the German people (as in the slaughter of
the
> German people by the massive American and allied bombing of city
> after city in Germany during WWII,

Acts of war, not at all similar to the attempted annihilation of a
people who were not a party to the war.

 and the Jewish holocaust against the
> Germans following WWII),

Utter fabrication. More neo-Nazi apologia.

 or, whether it is the atrocity committed
> against Jesus by the Jews, or whether it is an atrocity againstany
other
> person or groups of persons by anybody else... atrocities are
atrocities,
> and the Jews are not entitled to any special sympathy over another
people.

Ms. Zimmerman apparently thinks throwing around the word atrocity
constitutes evidence! SHe afraid people will feel sorry for Jews, whom
she hates. What a Christian.

> Two wrongs have never made a right.
>       Perverting and twisting the truth about the number of Jews
> who suffered during WWII continues to be very effective propaganda in
> helping to deceive the American people into believing that Jewish
Slave Law
> is ordained by God so the "chosen people" can enslave the world.

One lie, which has nothing to do with the other lie.

>       In May of 1994, I received a letter from Captain Jacques H.
> Dore D.S.C. (ret.), Conseil Régional de Bretagne, Conseiller Municipal
> de Boulogne, France, which said, in part, the following: "Whenin the
> Free French Naval Mission in Hamburg (Germany) in 1946, the U.S.
> estimate of the holocaust showed some 600,000 victims including
> gypsies, members of the resistances in Europe, etc. (emphas is mine).
> Now, this very day the estimate published by the (Jewish)lobbies
> amounts to more than 6 million. No doubt in the year 2050 we will hear
> of 10 million victims".

More lies. The number, as can be shown by consulting dozens of history
books, has been 6 million since just after the war, and has remained
unchanged since that time. Attempting to disprove historical fact with
unsupported assertion and lies will never work. You'll only convince
hater who want to believe you, or fools unable to read a book and think
for themselves.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Historians and Holocaust Denial
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 11:47:49 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=843
> Come on Philip enough lying buddy. How do you look yourself in the
mirror?
> Michael Snead
> 14/88

Poor Mr. Snead, unable to deal with reality, and ill equipped to
discuss it, hopes a silly charge will be a ready substitute for
evidence.

The historical community considers denial a farce, practiced by people
of ignorance or blind hate. In Mr. Snead's case, it appears to be both.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Talmud and Holocaust
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 12:54:44 -0600
From: Ed Kadach 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

At 01:47 PM 9/6/99 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 9/6/99 11:24:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>philnancy@aol.com writes:
>
><< Snead wrote:
>
> philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=829
> > David,
> >     I have visited your website and  and will read all that you will
> provide.
> > To disagree with any thought, theory, or revaluation does not make
> one a
> > hater.
>
> It does when you consistently choose to believe lies and smears of Jews
> over the obvious facts. Such a consistent choice cannot be due to
> chance, but reveals a deep seated animus which itself dictates what you
> will accept as truth rather than assessing issues to determine truth
> from lies first.
>
> I believe the truth, you are the blinded soul.....oops you are a Jew though.
>
>  I do not agree with those who think that the holocaust happened,
> > however that does not make me a hatemonger.
>
> It is a manifestation of your hate, not a cause of it. You might as
> well deny the First World War. Such denial in the face of proven
> history is revealing, especially since the event happens to involve
> Jews. Do you also deny the Armenian genocide?
>
>What I haven't denied is the fact that Jewish controlled Soviet Russia
>blatantly killed any where from 66-112 million people. Some of your so
called
>mass graves that you say have been found are probably some of the people.
>Armenian Genocide? That didn't happen because my neighbor is Armenian. Ha HA
>HA What a bonafide liar. Genocide...an obvious Jewish word since it first
>appeared in Europe in 1944 and meaning the deliberate and systematic
>destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group.

Only in a sinagogue is religion, politics, and philosophy equated with race.

Racialist regards,

Ed Kadach

"All truth passes through three stages. First,
it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
---Schopenhauer

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Douglas Reed
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 11:57:53 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Ms. Zimmerman wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=844
> One on Willie's list asked me this question:
> Hi,
>
> I am not familiar with Douglas Reed's book BEHIND THE SCENE, but
would like
> to get hold of it. Could you give me the publisher's name and ISBN
number?
> Is it still in print?
>
> Thanks!
> ~~~~~~~
> Me: I'm answering this to this person as well as to the list to
provide
> information to all on the IHR:
>
> I don't know if this book is still in print. The article sent by me
to
> Willie's list was not written by me. I'm sending the article in 3-4
> installments, though. You might be able to find something on Douglas
Reed
> on-line. Otherwise, call the Institute for Historical Review at:
(949)
> 631-1490. They're in California. This # will give you their Noontide
Press.
> Ask them about Mr. Reed's books. There is one called, "Controversy of
Zion"
> which I believe they still have. Ask for their catalogue.
> Best Regards,
> JM

The IHR is an organization devoted to denying the Holocaust and
attempts to give the impression of being a real institute of
intellectual endeavor. It was originally formed by the infamous Willis
Carto of the Libery Lobby, one of the most notorious antisemitic
organizations in America, disparaged by ever Conservative americans
such as William F. Buckley Jr. The Noontide Press is Carto's publishing
house and turns out many antisemitic publications of dubious scholarly
value. It is not surprising that Ms. Zimmerman gets her history from
such sources.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Talmud and Holocaust
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 12:01:21 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Kadach wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=850
> At 01:47 PM 9/6/99 EDT, you wrote:
> >In a message dated 9/6/99 11:24:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> >philnancy@aol.com writes:
> >
> ><< Snead wrote:
> >
> > philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=829
> > > David,
> > >     I have visited your website and  and will read all that you
will
> > provide.
> > > To disagree with any thought, theory, or revaluation does not make
> > one a
> > > hater.
> >
> > It does when you consistently choose to believe lies and smears of
Jews
> > over the obvious facts. Such a consistent choice cannot be due to
> > chance, but reveals a deep seated animus which itself dictates what
you
> > will accept as truth rather than assessing issues to determine truth
> > from lies first.
> >
> > I believe the truth, you are the blinded soul.....oops you are a
Jew though.
> >
> >  I do not agree with those who think that the holocaust happened,
> > > however that does not make me a hatemonger.
> >
> > It is a manifestation of your hate, not a cause of it. You might as
> > well deny the First World War. Such denial in the face of proven
> > history is revealing, especially since the event happens to involve
> > Jews. Do you also deny the Armenian genocide?
> >
> >What I haven't denied is the fact that Jewish controlled Soviet
Russia
> >blatantly killed any where from 66-112 million people. Some of your
so
> called
> >mass graves that you say have been found are probably some of the
people.
> >Armenian Genocide? That didn't happen because my neighbor is
Armenian. Ha HA
> >HA What a bonafide liar. Genocide...an obvious Jewish word since it
first
> >appeared in Europe in 1944 and meaning the deliberate and systematic
> >destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group.
>
>
> Only in a sinagogue is religion, politics, and philosophy equated
with race.
>
Only in the vacuous confines of Eddie's brain does this constitute a
response to the discussion, but then Eddie doesn't know enough about
anything to actually have  discussion. He's just a little hit and run
artist.

Regards to a racist,

Philip Mathews

>
> Racialist regards,
>
> Ed Kadach

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Subject: [13texan] Re: A Jewish view of the Talmud
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 12:07:20 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=847

>     Dr. Shahak quotes the very popular, Israeli-published Talmudic
> Encyclopedia, which discusses the relationship between Jew and Goy)
"Goy"
> meaning any non-Jew).
>     If a Jew has coitus [sexual intercourse] with a Gentile woman,
whether
> she be a child of three or an adult, whether married or unmarried,
and even
> if she is a minor aged only nine years and one day --- because he had
willful
> coitus with her, she must be killed, and as is the case with a beast,
because
> through her a Jew got into trouble.  (The Talmudic Encyclopedia).
>     Now these are actual words from a Jew, is he a hater? Is he a
Liar? Is he
> anti-Semitic? I think not.

You think not is true, but Shahak is a hater. And the purported quote
from the Talmud is a lie, as has been shown twice without response by
you. That you would continue to post a lie, once pointed out to you,
demonstrates you desire to hate Jews and disparage them. Sinners more
often than not identify themselves for all to see.

Philip Mathews

> Michael Snead
> 14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Talmud and Holocaust
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:16:58 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

I  like that..only in a sinogogue...and they will pay for those sins the
extreme left wing liberal, racists commies
Michael Snead
14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Douglas Reed
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:19:07 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

In a message dated 9/6/99 2:59:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, philnancy@aol.com
writes:

<< The IHR is an organization devoted to denying the Holocaust and
 attempts to give the impression of being a real institute of
 intellectual endeavor. It was originally formed by the infamous Willis
 Carto of the Libery Lobby, one of the most notorious antisemitic
 organizations in America, disparaged by ever Conservative americans
 such as William F. Buckley Jr. The Noontide Press is Carto's publishing
 house and turns out many antisemitic publications of dubious scholarly
 value. It is not surprising that Ms. Zimmerman gets her history from
 such sources.

 Philip Mathews

  >>
And it's not surprising that you get youre from the Christian hating, Talmud
reading, Hate mongering, racist Jews.
Michael Snead

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Subject: [13texan] Re: A Jewish view of the Talmud
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:23:59 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

In a message dated 9/6/99 3:08:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, philnancy@aol.com
writes:

<< You think not is true, but Shahak is a hater. And the purported quote
 from the Talmud is a lie, as has been shown twice without response by
 you. That you would continue to post a lie, once pointed out to you,
 demonstrates you desire to hate Jews and disparage them. Sinners more
 often than not identify themselves for all to see.

 Philip Mathews



 > Michael Snead
 > 14/88
  >>
But Shahak is one of yours and you dare call him a hater? He may be a Jew but
at least he speaks the truth, which is quite unusual. You haven't even shown
anything once as far as the truth goes much less showing anything
twice....Well ...I take that back...You have shown that you are the constant
Liar and bearer of false documentation.
Michael Snead
14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Phony Holohoax Numbers II
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:48:41 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Michael Snead's post is the bold print....
14/88

In a message dated 9/6/99 2:45:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, philnancy@aol.com
writes:

<< Ms. Zimmerman wrote:


 philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
 original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=842
 > First, I appreciate Michael Snead's post after mine, but the
 information I
 > provided was not written by me.

 Which is irrelevant, since you presented it. In any event I
 demonstrated it to be without merit, in fact lies.

 You demonstrated that you have no merit and that is it

 Here's part II, and to little Philip, "Heil
 > Hitler," and "Go, Eric, go." JM 14/88

 Ms. Zimmerman demonstrates her Nazi views, repugnant to humanity and
 responsible for a great carnage all over Europe.

 Again you display hostility not only toward a woman but the truth too...are
you Gay? Don't lie now.

 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 >       It is an interesting fact that the number of so-called
 > "persecuted Jews" KEEPS INCREASING.  Hal Greenwald, program
 > director for the Hillel Foundation at Duke University, a Jewish
 student
 > group, has been promoting the idea that NINE MILLION JEWS WERE
 > EXTERMINATED IN HITLER'S GAS CHAMBERS (New York Times, Nov. 9, 1991,
 AP).
 > NOW IT'S 9 MILLION AND GROWING...JUST LIKE OUR DEBT/TAX MONEY
 SUPPLY...THE
 > NUMBERS JUST KEEP COMING OUT OF THIN AIR.

 History is not written by student groups at student newspapers. It is
 another sign of your desperation to point to a false newspaper account
 as if it were the same as accepted historical fact. If every event
 about which newspapers made an error was disbelieve on that basis,
 there would be know established history at all.

Now you are a historian....


   Even The Diary of Anne Frank
 > gives data which indicates that a much smaller number of Jews were
 put into
 > the German work camps.

 It gives no such figures

 Yes it does

  The idea that six million Jews were slaughtered by
 > Hitler is about as believable as it is to believe that your friendly
 local
 > banker doesn't print the money he loans to you.

 It's a proven fact, hardly rebutted by such silly utterances.



 >       After presenting well documented and authoritative data from
 > many sources, including many Jewish sources, under the heading
 > entitled "Six Million Lost and Found" in his book Behind the Scene,
 > Douglas Reed simply says, "The estimate (that the number is six
 million) is
 > historically valueless".

 In other words Ms. Zimmerman wishes us to believe her when she claims
 Reed had valid sources, which she omits, instead offering an
 unsupported opinion of this Reed fellow.

 You expect us t believe you? LOL


  Yet, the Jews continue to keep the truth well
 > hidden, even about their debt/tax slavery money system and Jewish
 Slave Law.

 Ranting.
 Yes you are so grow up....oh that's right Jews don't get to tall.

 >   Is it anymore plausible that six million Jews were slaughtered by
 the
 > Germans than it is to believe that General
 > Eisenhower slaughtered a million German POWS?

 Much more since one is supported by fact and the other is just the lies
 of neo-Nazis.
 The only fact you know is your lying again

 The controversy
 > continues to rage over the publication of Other Losses by Canadian
 > author James Bacque, who documented  that while a million German
 > prisoners were on a near-starvation diet, a Red cross train from
 Geneva
 > loaded with food parcels enroute to feed those German prisoners was
 forced
 > to turn back so the food could be used to feed "displaced persons"
 (meaning
 > Jews) in Germany.

 And why shouldn't the food have gone to victims of the Nazis?

 Question is Victims or prisoners of war.

  >And while we are looking at "atrocities", who can forget
 > Agent Orange in Viet Nam, or the treatment of Japanese Americans here
 at
 > home during WWII, or the Aleutian I sland scenario.

 None of which compare to the genocide of 6 million Jews. Anyone who
 would attempt to equate our treatment of Japanese with the Nazi
 treatment of Jews is a fool, either with no brain, or no intellectual
 honesty.

 Hey Liar is it 5.3 or 6 million

 >       Atrocities are atrocities, whether committed against Jews, or
 > against the Vietnamese by American fire bombing, or against Japanese
 > Americans (as in the infamous WWII American concentration camps),

 Not true. Acts of war are not atrocities, and the camps for Japanese,
 while wrong, were hardly infamous. They didn't have gas chambers or
 crematoria after all.

 Hey I have already proven that the Jews declared war on Germany...so what if
they didn't have weapons. I sure wouldn't go down to the SW side of Atlanta
and start yelling Nigger!

> or whether against the Arabs (as in the massive bombing of Iraq during
 > the Gulf War), or against the German people (as in the slaughter of
 the
 > German people by the massive American and allied bombing of city
 > after city in Germany during WWII,

 Acts of war, not at all similar to the attempted annihilation of a
 people who were not a party to the war.

 Philip the JEWS DECLARED WAR

  and the Jewish holocaust against the
 > Germans following WWII),

 Utter fabrication. More neo-Nazi apologia.

You know it is the Truth, Let it set you free and not be a slave to the
children of Satan.

 or, whether it is the atrocity committed
 > against Jesus by the Jews, or whether it is an atrocity againstany
 other
 > person or groups of persons by anybody else... atrocities are
 atrocities,
 > and the Jews are not entitled to any special sympathy over another
 people.

 Ms. Zimmerman apparently thinks throwing around the word atrocity
 constitutes evidence! SHe afraid people will feel sorry for Jews, whom
 she hates. What a Christian.

 Now you are a Judge again...what is evident is the fact that you know very
little of what you are talking about....regardless of your self glorification
that is Jew-typical.



 > Two wrongs have never made a right.
 >       Perverting and twisting the truth about the number of Jews
 > who suffered during WWII continues to be very effective propaganda in
 > helping to deceive the American people into believing that Jewish
 Slave Law
 > is ordained by God so the "chosen people" can enslave the world.

 One lie, which has nothing to do with the other lie.

You wouldn't know the difference between a lie and the truth besides your
math is pathetic.


 >       In May of 1994, I received a letter from Captain Jacques H.
 > Dore D.S.C. (ret.), Conseil Régional de Bretagne, Conseiller Municipal
 > de Boulogne, France, which said, in part, the following: "Whenin the
 > Free French Naval Mission in Hamburg (Germany) in 1946, the U.S.
 > estimate of the holocaust showed some 600,000 victims including
 > gypsies, members of the resistances in Europe, etc. (emphas is mine).
 > Now, this very day the estimate published by the (Jewish)lobbies
 > amounts to more than 6 million. No doubt in the year 2050 we will hear
 > of 10 million victims".

 More lies. The number, as can be shown by consulting dozens of history
 books, has been 6 million since just after the war, and has remained
 unchanged since that time. Attempting to disprove historical fact with
 unsupported assertion and lies will never work. You'll only convince
 hater who want to believe you, or fools unable to read a book and think
 for themselves.

That is funny, she hasn't convinced you yet.

 Philip Mathews

  >>

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Historians and Holocaust Denial
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:57:47 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

In a message dated 9/6/99 2:48:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, philnancy@aol.com
writes:

<< Snead wrote:


 philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
 original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=843
 > Come on Philip enough lying buddy. How do you look yourself in the
 mirror?
 > Michael Snead
 > 14/88

 Poor Mr. Snead, unable to deal with reality, and ill equipped to
 discuss it, hopes a silly charge will be a ready substitute for
 evidence.
 first of all I am not poor, my father owns the cattle on a thousand hills.
and secondly it appears that I have caused you to make personal attacks on
all that post on this message board.

 The historical community considers denial a farce, practiced by people
 of ignorance or blind hate. In Mr. Snead's case, it appears to be both.

 Philip Mathews

 The Propagandist encourage people to be Holohoax deniers but your theory is
losing ground daily. When a person screams the banner of ignorance and hate
pointing his finger in the other direction. People begin to realize who the
ignorant hater is. Keep waving your banner.
Michael Snead
14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Talmud and Holocaust
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 13:03:11 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=854

> I  like that..only in a sinogogue...and they will pay for those sins
the
> extreme left wing liberal, racists commies

Mr. Snead likes anything that disparages Jews and seeks to camouflage
his antisemitsm as just a political philosophy such as conservatism in
opposition to liberalism. Of course that is nonsense, as anyone reading
his posts can see.

Philip Mathews

> Michael Snead
> 14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Historians and Holocaust Denial
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 14:05:15 -0600
From: Ed Kadach 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

At 11:47 AM 9/6/99 -0700, wrote:
>Snead wrote:
>
>
>
>original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=843
>> Come on Philip enough lying buddy. How do you look yourself in the
>mirror?
>> Michael Snead
>> 14/88

>The historical community considers denial a farce, practiced by people
>of ignorance or blind hate.

You know people, I have to admit "the holocau$t" is one of the best contrived
concepts or hoaxes of our time. As one studies it, we are at first deluded
into
believing that the holocau$t encompasses so many disciplines - reason, logic,
and belief. It's actually rather brilliant.

However, one finds this to be so only when one keeps the holocau$t at a
distance,
never looking directly at details. Because once you look directly at any
single
feature of it, one finds that it just does not make any sense.

Why would a whole nation of Germans, one of the greatest cradles of European
civilization, (allegedly) all of a sudden start committing mass murder?

The jews were so much a part of German society, holding important posts in the
government, industry, commerce, and finance, one has to ask how is it that
they
were so full of innocence(?) while the majority of Germans were so evil?

How could 900,000,000 pounds of human flesh be dispersed with, totally and
completely
in just 2.5 years, leaving not a single death-by-gas chamber corpse to be
available
for autopsy or for corpus delecti appearance at trial?  How could there be
millions
of survivors from an alleged extermination program when the number of
(alleged) deaths
is greater than the number of available victims?

The holocau$t "Lie" is "great" as in "Big". It is the biggest scam in the
whole
of the western world. It is the tool used to collapse many of the gains in
liberty
so painfully won in the last 300 years. On the pretext of protecting the
world from
tyranny, the 'holocau$t industry' is mopping up the last few strongholds of
resistance
and soon we will not be dealing with "Big Lies", but will find ourselves
dealing with
the "real" face of tyranny.

Racialist regards,

Ed Kadach

"All truth passes through three stages. First,
it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
---Schopenhauer

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Douglas Reed
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 13:05:44 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=855
> In a message dated 9/6/99 2:59:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
philnancy@aol.com
> writes:
>
> << The IHR is an organization devoted to denying the Holocaust and
>  attempts to give the impression of being a real institute of
>  intellectual endeavor. It was originally formed by the infamous
Willis
>  Carto of the Libery Lobby, one of the most notorious antisemitic
>  organizations in America, disparaged by ever Conservative americans
>  such as William F. Buckley Jr. The Noontide Press is Carto's
publishing
>  house and turns out many antisemitic publications of dubious
scholarly
>  value. It is not surprising that Ms. Zimmerman gets her history from
>  such sources.
>
>  Philip Mathews
>
>   >>
> And it's not surprising that you get youre from the Christian hating,
Talmud
> reading, Hate mongering, racist Jews.

You are not a Christian, but a fake Christian who gets his information
from liars and antisemites. Unlike you, Jews are not haters or racists.
My sources are mainstream and truthful, the kind that ignore you and
yours as the lunatic fringe you are!

Philip Mathews

> Michael Snead

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Subject: [13texan] Re: A Jewish view of the Talmud
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 13:10:22 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=856
> In a message dated 9/6/99 3:08:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
philnancy@aol.com
> writes:
>
> << You think not is true, but Shahak is a hater. And the purported
quote
>  from the Talmud is a lie, as has been shown twice without response by
>  you. That you would continue to post a lie, once pointed out to you,
>  demonstrates you desire to hate Jews and disparage them. Sinners more
>  often than not identify themselves for all to see.
>
>  Philip Mathews
>
>
>
>  > Michael Snead
>  > 14/88
>   >>
> But Shahak is one of yours and you dare call him a hater?

He has nothing to do with me and he is a hater, like you.

He may be a Jew but
> at least he speaks the truth, which is quite unusual.

No it isn't. What's unusual is his self loathing, which you rejoice in
because it provides you cover for your racist, antisemitic nonsense.

 You haven't even shown
> anything once as far as the truth goes much less showing anything
> twice...

False. Merely another mindless denial. The Talmud lie was exposed, you
ran from it.

.Well ...I take that back...You have shown that you are the constant
> Liar and bearer of false documentation.

No such thing has been shown. You've been revealed as an ignorant dupe
of vile antisemites, who neither knows nor cares to know the facts of
the Holocaust because he's consumed with hatred and a warped sense of
Christian faith which makes him an outcast in his own country.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Phony Holohoax Numbers II
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 13:26:31 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=857

> Michael Snead's post is the bold print....
> 14/88

If you would make a little effort to learn the proper technique of
posting you wouldn't have to worry about all these efforts to keep the
identity of the writer clear.

>
> In a message dated 9/6/99 2:45:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
philnancy@aol.com
> writes:
>
> << Ms. Zimmerman wrote:
>
>
>  philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
>  original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=842
>  > First, I appreciate Michael Snead's post after mine, but the
>  information I
>  > provided was not written by me.
>
>  Which is irrelevant, since you presented it. In any event I
>  demonstrated it to be without merit, in fact lies.
>
>  You demonstrated that you have no merit and that is it

Nope, showed it to be untrue, and the frustrating part for you is you
can make no counter argument, so in your powerlessness, you merely deny.

>
>  Here's part II, and to little Philip, "Heil
>  > Hitler," and "Go, Eric, go." JM 14/88
>
>  Ms. Zimmerman demonstrates her Nazi views, repugnant to humanity and
>  responsible for a great carnage all over Europe.
>
>  Again you display hostility not only toward a woman but the truth
too...are
> you Gay? Don't lie now.

Her sex has nothing to do with it. She, like you, are liars as
demonstrated. Look to thy wife Snead!

>
>  > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>  >       It is an interesting fact that the number of so-called
>  > "persecuted Jews" KEEPS INCREASING.  Hal Greenwald, program
>  > director for the Hillel Foundation at Duke University, a Jewish
>  student
>  > group, has been promoting the idea that NINE MILLION JEWS WERE
>  > EXTERMINATED IN HITLER'S GAS CHAMBERS (New York Times, Nov. 9,
1991,
>  AP).
>  > NOW IT'S 9 MILLION AND GROWING...JUST LIKE OUR DEBT/TAX MONEY
>  SUPPLY...THE
>  > NUMBERS JUST KEEP COMING OUT OF THIN AIR.
>
>  History is not written by student groups at student newspapers. It is
>  another sign of your desperation to point to a false newspaper
account
>  as if it were the same as accepted historical fact. If every event
>  about which newspapers made an error was disbelieve on that basis,
>  there would be know established history at all.
>
> Now you are a historian....

One doesn't have to be a historian to know that newspapers don't write
history.
>
>
>    Even The Diary of Anne Frank
>  > gives data which indicates that a much smaller number of Jews were
>  put into
>  > the German work camps.
>
>  It gives no such figures
>
>  Yes it does

Cite the passage. Can't eh.

>
>   The idea that six million Jews were slaughtered by
>  > Hitler is about as believable as it is to believe that your
friendly
>  local
>  > banker doesn't print the money he loans to you.
>
>  It's a proven fact, hardly rebutted by such silly utterances.
>
>
>
>  >       After presenting well documented and authoritative data from
>  > many sources, including many Jewish sources, under the heading
>  > entitled "Six Million Lost and Found" in his book Behind the Scene,
>  > Douglas Reed simply says, "The estimate (that the number is six
>  million) is
>  > historically valueless".
>
>  In other words Ms. Zimmerman wishes us to believe her when she claims
>  Reed had valid sources, which she omits, instead offering an
>  unsupported opinion of this Reed fellow.
>
>  You expect us t believe you? LOL

Were there sources or not? What I've been trying to teach you is, don't
believe, verify.

>
>
>   Yet, the Jews continue to keep the truth well
>  > hidden, even about their debt/tax slavery money system and Jewish
>  Slave Law.
>
>  Ranting.

>  Yes you are so grow up....oh that's right Jews don't get to tall.

That's too tall, and thank you for revealing more of your antisemitism.

>
>  >   Is it anymore plausible that six million Jews were slaughtered by
>  the
>  > Germans than it is to believe that General
>  > Eisenhower slaughtered a million German POWS?
>
>  Much more since one is supported by fact and the other is just the
lies
>  of neo-Nazis.

>  The only fact you know is your lying again

Prove it. Provide sources for the contention that Eisenhower killed
millions of German POWS. We'll wait.

>
>  The controversy
>  > continues to rage over the publication of Other Losses by Canadian
>  > author James Bacque, who documented  that while a million German
>  > prisoners were on a near-starvation diet, a Red cross train from
>  Geneva
>  > loaded with food parcels enroute to feed those German prisoners was
>  forced
>  > to turn back so the food could be used to feed "displaced persons"
>  (meaning
>  > Jews) in Germany.
>
>  And why shouldn't the food have gone to victims of the Nazis?
>
>  Question is Victims or prisoners of war.

6 million Jews were prisoners of war? On what basis? And where did they
go?

>
>   >And while we are looking at "atrocities", who can forget
>  > Agent Orange in Viet Nam, or the treatment of Japanese Americans
here
>  at
>  > home during WWII, or the Aleutian I sland scenario.
>
>  None of which compare to the genocide of 6 million Jews. Anyone who
>  would attempt to equate our treatment of Japanese with the Nazi
>  treatment of Jews is a fool, either with no brain, or no intellectual
>  honesty.
>
>  Hey Liar is it 5.3 or 6 million

It's called a range fool. We don't know exactly how many people were
killed in the Gulag, or the bombing of Dresden, so ranges are provided.
Does that mean those events didn't occur? Hardly. Your attempts are
laughable!
>
>  >       Atrocities are atrocities, whether committed against Jews, or
>  > against the Vietnamese by American fire bombing, or against
Japanese
>  > Americans (as in the infamous WWII American concentration camps),
>
>  Not true. Acts of war are not atrocities, and the camps for Japanese,
>  while wrong, were hardly infamous. They didn't have gas chambers or
>  crematoria after all.
>
>  Hey I have already proven that the Jews declared war on Germany...so
what if
> they didn't have weapons.

A people with no nation, money, or armies can hardly declare war.
Another moronic attempt.

> I sure wouldn't go down to the SW side of Atlanta
> and start yelling Nigger!

But you'd like to .

>
> > or whether against the Arabs (as in the massive bombing of Iraq
during
>  > the Gulf War), or against the German people (as in the slaughter of
>  the
>  > German people by the massive American and allied bombing of city
>  > after city in Germany during WWII,
>
>  Acts of war, not at all similar to the attempted annihilation of a
>  people who were not a party to the war.
>
>  Philip the JEWS DECLARED WAR

No they didn't, and ethnic groups can't declare war. More silly
desperation from an antisemite trying to justify the murder of 6
million Jews.

>
>   and the Jewish holocaust against the
>  > Germans following WWII),
>
>  Utter fabrication. More neo-Nazi apologia.
>
> You know it is the Truth, Let it set you free and not be a slave to
the
> children of Satan.

It's a lie, which is why you can provide no evidence for it. Correct?

>
>  or, whether it is the atrocity committed
>  > against Jesus by the Jews, or whether it is an atrocity againstany
>  other
>  > person or groups of persons by anybody else... atrocities are
>  atrocities,
>  > and the Jews are not entitled to any special sympathy over another
>  people.
>
>  Ms. Zimmerman apparently thinks throwing around the word atrocity
>  constitutes evidence! SHe afraid people will feel sorry for Jews,
whom
>  she hates. What a Christian.
>
>  Now you are a Judge again...what is evident is the fact that you
know very
> little of what you are talking about.

Not based on anything you've been able to say! Yes I am judging you and
Ms. Zimmerman for demonstrably antisemitic beliefs. That hardly
compares to you judging an entire people based on nothing but lies.

...regardless of your self glorification
> that is Jew-typical.

More antisemitic nonsense exhibiting the impotence of your arguments.
>
>
>
>  > Two wrongs have never made a right.
>  >       Perverting and twisting the truth about the number of Jews
>  > who suffered during WWII continues to be very effective propaganda
in
>  > helping to deceive the American people into believing that Jewish
>  Slave Law
>  > is ordained by God so the "chosen people" can enslave the world.
>
>  One lie, which has nothing to do with the other lie.
>
> You wouldn't know the difference between a lie and the truth besides
your
> math is pathetic.

Hee hee hee. You really have nothing to say, do you?

>
>
>  >       In May of 1994, I received a letter from Captain Jacques H.
>  > Dore D.S.C. (ret.), Conseil Régional de Bretagne, Conseiller
Municipal
>  > de Boulogne, France, which said, in part, the following: "Whenin
the
>  > Free French Naval Mission in Hamburg (Germany) in 1946, the U.S.
>  > estimate of the holocaust showed some 600,000 victims including
>  > gypsies, members of the resistances in Europe, etc. (emphas is
mine).
>  > Now, this very day the estimate published by the (Jewish)lobbies
>  > amounts to more than 6 million. No doubt in the year 2050 we will
hear
>  > of 10 million victims".
>
>  More lies. The number, as can be shown by consulting dozens of
history
>  books, has been 6 million since just after the war, and has remained
>  unchanged since that time. Attempting to disprove historical fact
with
>  unsupported assertion and lies will never work. You'll only convince
>  hater who want to believe you, or fools unable to read a book and
think
>  for themselves.
>
> That is funny, she hasn't convinced you yet.

Unlike you I'm not convinced by lies. Now get about finding the
evidence for those items in this very post you claim to be true!

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Historians and Holocaust Denial
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 13:31:13 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=858
> In a message dated 9/6/99 2:48:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
philnancy@aol.com
> writes:
>
> << Snead wrote:
>
>
>  philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
>  original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=843
>  > Come on Philip enough lying buddy. How do you look yourself in the
>  mirror?
>  > Michael Snead
>  > 14/88
>
>  Poor Mr. Snead, unable to deal with reality, and ill equipped to
>  discuss it, hopes a silly charge will be a ready substitute for
>  evidence.

>  first of all I am not poor, my father owns the cattle on a thousand
hills.

Poor as in the sense of pathetic, poor fool.

> and secondly it appears that I have caused you to make personal
attacks on
> all that post on this message board.

Calling liars, liars is not a personal attack. Attacking a whole ethnic
group based on lies and hate is a far worse offense.

>
>  The historical community considers denial a farce, practiced by
people
>  of ignorance or blind hate. In Mr. Snead's case, it appears to be
both.
>
>  Philip Mathews
>
>  The Propagandist encourage people to be Holohoax deniers but your
theory is
> losing ground daily.

Deniers are ignorant fools such as yourself. The more they are exposed,
the fewer people who are taken in by them. Your assertion of gaining
ground is nonsense, your "movement" peaked 5 or more years ago.

 When a person screams the banner of ignorance and hate
> pointing his finger in the other direction.

Would you care to make this a complete sentence?

>People begin to realize who the
> ignorant hater is. Keep waving your banner.

They certainly do, which is why your ilk hide out on obscure websites
and email groups spouting views that are an embarrassment to decent
people.

Philip Mathews

> Michael Snead
> 14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Historians and Holocaust Denial
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 13:41:40 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Kadach wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=860
> At 11:47 AM 9/6/99 -0700, wrote:
> >Snead wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=843
> >> Come on Philip enough lying buddy. How do you look yourself in the
> >mirror?
> >> Michael Snead
> >> 14/88
>
> >The historical community considers denial a farce, practiced by
people
> >of ignorance or blind hate.
>
>
>
> You know people, I have to admit "the holocau$t" is one of the best
contrived
> concepts or hoaxes of our time. As one studies it, we are at first
deluded
> into
> believing that the holocau$t encompasses so many disciplines -
reason, logic,
> and belief. It's actually rather brilliant.

It you've studied it, why do you never discuss it, merely post ignorant
assertions and then run away?

>
> However, one finds this to be so only when one keeps the holocau$t at
a
> distance,
> never looking directly at details. Because once you look directly at
any
> single
> feature of it, one finds that it just does not make any sense.

Why don't you offer some for discussion?


>
> Why would a whole nation of Germans, one of the greatest cradles of
European
> civilization, (allegedly) all of a sudden start committing mass
murder?

The whole nation didn't, the Nazis did. The mistake the German people
made was turning power over to these hate filled wretches, who's whole
philosophy was built on hatred of Jews and others. When you combine
this with the basic authoritarian nature of the government, you have a
prescription for disaster.

>
> The jews were so much a part of German society, holding important
posts in the
> government, industry, commerce, and finance, one has to ask how is it
that
> they
> were so full of innocence(?) while the majority of Germans were so
evil?

Another false charge made by Eddie.  One doesn't have to be innocent to
not be worthy of genocide.

>
> How could 900,000,000 pounds of human flesh be dispersed with,
totally and
> completely
> in just 2.5 years, leaving not a single death-by-gas chamber corpse
to be
> available
> for autopsy or for corpus delecti appearance at trial?

Oh, please, read the history and find out. When you have the will and
slave labor to do the dirty work, it is not that difficult to kill and
burn that many people. Merely raising a question such as this shows you
haven't read the record.

 How could there be
> millions
> of survivors from an alleged extermination program when the number of
> (alleged) deaths
> is greater than the number of available victims?

But the number of deaths is not greater than the number of available
victims. The Nazis themselves estimated the number of European Jews to
be about 11 million. 11-6 leaves millions, by the way.

>
> The holocau$t "Lie" is "great" as in "Big". It is the biggest scam in
the
> whole
> of the western world.

Evidence?

It is the tool used to collapse many of the gains in
> liberty
> so painfully won in the last 300 years.

Such as?

 On the pretext of protecting the
> world from
> tyranny, the 'holocau$t industry' is mopping up the last few
strongholds of
> resistance
> and soon we will not be dealing with "Big Lies", but will find
ourselves
> dealing with
> the "real" face of tyranny.

What are you babbling about? Typical Eddie post, long on rhetoric,
short on facts!

Philip Mathews

>
>
>
> Racialist regards,
>
> Ed Kadach
>
>
> "All truth passes through three stages. First,
> it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
> ---Schopenhauer
>

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Phony Holohoax Numbers
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 13:47:42 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Jeanne-Marie Zimmerman wrote:

> There are compelling reasons to believe that the so-called holocaust never
> existed. Page 223, in The Diary of Anne Frank, Pan Horizons edition, Pan
> Books Ltd., London, 1989, indicates that the size of AUSCHWITZ, the most
> notorious of all German work camps, WAS VERY SMALL, with only 11,000 people
> (many of whom may not even have been Jews) being evacuated by the Germans at
> the time of the Russian advance in 1945.

...all of which, sad to say, has nothing whatsoever to do with the Auschwitz
concentration camp complex. The photographs which have survived make this pretty
obvious.

For an interesting - and, unlike the above - accurate history of Auschwitz, I
recommend "Auschwitz, 1270 to the Present," by Deborah Dwork and Robert Jan Van
Pelt.

> Certainly, compared to Spielberg's
> film, Schindler's List (which Emilie Schindler, Oskar's widow, said was full
> of lies), and other Jewish propaganda, that millions upon millions of Jews
> were systematically exterminated, 11,000 people is a very small number.
> Simple arithmetic tells us that the Germans would have had to have had
> hundreds of camps, or else they would have had to exterminate 137 people PER
> HOUR, in order for six million Jews to have been exterminated at such small
> camps as Auschwitz, a feat that would have been humanly impossible
> considering that, according to Douglas Reed's Behind the Scene and The
> Controversy of Zion, a mere 850,000 soldiers and others were killed by the
> entire German and Japanese war machines combined during  WWII (see p.397-400

For a well documented examination of the capacity of the Auschwitz camps for
mechanized murder, see nizkor's Auschwitz pages, at
http://www1.us.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/auschwitz.

The Germans had, by the way, thousands of camps, but few of them were as
efficient in their killing as the Aktion Reinhard camps (Sobibor, Belzec and
Treblinka) or the Birkenau complex.

Auschwitz was a huge complex.

> of Douglas Reed's book Controversy of Zion). People who would believe the
> Jewish propaganda that six million Jews were exterminated by Hitler must
> KEEP IN MIND THE SMALL SCALE CONSTRUCTION OF AUSCHWITZ AND THE VERY FEW
> OTHER GERMAN WORK CAMPS THAT EXISTED DURING WWII.

The construction was hardly "small scale," m'am, as the blueprints demonstrate.
I can't imagine how anyone could be confused about this, but there's no
accounting for ignorance, I guess.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: German Institute of Contemporary History's Estimate of
     Jews killed
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 13:49:27 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

jsavage wrote:

> A well known forgery...nothing but lies!

Have you written to the organization that sent Keren that letter? Did they
tell you it had been forged? Do you have any evidence - anything at all -
besides your unsubstantiated opinion?

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Subject: [13texan] Re: German Institute of Contemporary History's Estimate
     ofJews kil...
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 13:52:00 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

SNEADSTER@aol.com wrote:

>  Do you realize how rediculous the Jews
> reasoning for the death camps are?

Actually, it isn't Jewish reasoning at all, but rather Nazi reasoning. The
blueprints, the orders from one Nazi to another, the Nazi photographs, the sworn
testimony in German courts.... we sure don't need any Jewish reasoning to learn
the truth of the Nazi extermination of the Jews.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Talmud and Holocaust
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 16:47:46 CDT
From: "David Griffin" 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

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>David,
>     Very well said and thank you  for giving me that perspective. There is
>so
>much to learn from everyone that is in a group that if one will dispute
>everything that is said even his process of erudition is impeded.
>Michael Snead
>14/88

So true, brother....there is so much to learn...and I feel that I am able to
learn from any Christian....I was not being critical, brother...just
something that I learned from Dr. Swift tapes...and some it from Dave Barley
of America's Promise Ministries.

In Christ,
David

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Subject: [13texan] Re: An SS Doctor lays it out
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 15:23:59 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

http://www3.ca.nizkor.org/hweb/people/m/muench-hans/auschwitz-declaration.html

I, Dr. Hans Munch hereby attest that, as an SS physician on duty in Auschwitz in
1944, I witnessed the selection process of those who were to live and those who
were to die.  Other SS physicians on duty in the camps made selections at the
platform where the transports arrived.  They also made selections in the
barracks.  I was exempt from performing selections because I had refused to do
so.

I further attest that I saw thousands of people gassed here at Auschwitz.
Children, old people, the sick and those unable to work were sent to the gas
chambers.  These were innocent human beings: Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals,
Hitler's political opponents - anyone who did not fit Hitler's idea of a pure
Aryan race.

I am signing this paper of my own free will to help document the cruel
intolerance of my fellow SS.

I, a former SS physician, witnessed the dropping of Zyklon B into simulated
exhaust vents from outside the gas chambers.  Zyklon B began to work as soon as
it was released from the canisters.  The effects of the gas were observed
through a peephole by an assigned doctor or the SS officer on duty.  After three
to five minutes, death could be certified, and the doors were opened as a sign
that the corpses were cleared to be burned.

This is the nightmare I continue to live with fifty years later.

I am so sorry that in some way I was part of it.  Under the prevailing
circumstances I did the best I could to save as many lives as possible.  Joining
the SS was a mistake.  I was young.  I was an opportunist.  And once I joined,
there was no way out.

(signed)
Dr. Hans Munch
January 27, 1995, Auschwitz

(6 witnesses)

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Subject: [13texan] SS Doctor gives interview
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 15:26:20 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

http://www3.ca.nizkor.org/hweb/people/m/muench-hans/swedish-television-interview.html

The doctor and former SS-Untersturmfuehrer Hans Muench was among the 40 members
of the Auschwitz camp personnel indicted and tried in Krakow in Poland
1946-1947. The trial led to some 20 death sentences, but Muench was acquitted.

He had taken part in gassings but had refused to assist in the so-called
selections. Some ex-prisoners also testified in his favour. After his release,
Muench returned to Germany where he continued his medical practice. In 1964 he
testified at the Auschwitz trial in Frankfurt am Main. He agreed to an interview
with Swedish television in 1981, against the wish of his family. It has been
broadcast twice on Swedish TV, in 1982 and 1992.

Excerpts from an interview with Dr. Hans Muench.

[...]

Muench: I received eight weeks of normal military training and then came to the
Waffen-SS Institute for Hygiene in Berlin. That was the highest authority for
all institutes of hygiene within the Waffen-SS. The Waffen-SS was considered to
be on an equal footing with the German army. From Berlin I was ordered to Field
Laboratory South-East, and this Field Laboratory South-East had been set up to
deal with the diseases that had appeared in Auschwitz.

Swedish Television: So you came to Auschwitz? Did you know what Auschwitz was?

M: No! It was in 1943, in the spring, early summer. There I... That field
laboratory had been established because of the diseases that were prevalent in
the camp and that leaked out through the camp fence, and threatened the men and
the civilian population. Expert bacteriological research had to be conducted and
adequate measures taken. That was our task.

ST: Not to save the prisoners?

M: By no means...There was the possibility, but the risk for a major epidemic
among those close to 100 000 people in unhygienic conditions and in a not too
hygienic environment...

ST: The purpose was to save the personnel?

M: Yes, and the surroundings. The town of Auschwitz was not far away. A major
epidemic would certainly have erupted. [...] During my time, the crematories
were used several times a week to burn the corpses that came. Soon after my
arrival, at the latest towards the end of the summer, transports came that were
exterminated and Auschwitz was then used as an extermination camp.

ST: The camp that was seven kilometers from Auschwitz was Birkenau, right?

M: Yes, five or seven kilometers. Next to the camp Birkenau was the machinery of
extermination.

ST: How do you know that the extermination there was carried out with gas?

M: When one's professional task is to inspect the hygienic conditions of the
camp and one has to pass through the camp it was impossible not to notice.

ST: Did you see the crematories yourself?

M: Yes, of course. It wasn't part of my daily routine, but it was impossible to
avoid it, even if I hadn't known what it was. Everybody active in the SS in
Auschwitz knew of course what the crematories were, and it was impossible not to
notice the smoke and the chimneys and feel the smell. In the SS the use of gas
was discussed quite openly.

ST: Were doctors present at the gassings?

M: They had to be present. According to strict regulations they had to be
present, as in civilized states at every normal individual execution for legal
reasons. In the same way there was a military order that at least one doctor had
to be present at exterminations by gas in Auschwitz, for two reasons. Firstly,
the whole thing had to be under medical supervision. And the gas wasn't thrown
in by the regular camp personnel but by the camp doctors' medical orderlies.

[...]

ST: When you were off-duty you spoke about this? About special treatment, about
the gassing?

M: It was discussed very intensely, hardly ideologically, whether it was
ideologically correct to exterminate the Jews, but rather the technical problems
that always occur at this overstraining of the camp.

ST. You refused to participate in it. Could you say so openly?

M: I had nothing to do with it in the first place. I was ordered there and
belonged to the Hygienic Institute. One has to explain those bureaucratic things
precisely...

ST: I understand that, but did you discuss it with each other?

M: Yes, very intensely, also ideologically.

ST: Did you object to it, for example because of medico-ethical reasons?

M: Yes, exactly. Among doctors we could discuss it openly, like we talk about it
today. There was no limit at all. Outwardly you were completely isolated.
Everybody knew very well that among civilians or military personnel he should
never say a word. I was for instance often in Plaszow... No, not in Plaszow. It
was a training camp for the Waffen-SS, near Krakow. It was also important, a
military camp. There I ate in the messroom, the officers' mess. There were SS
doctors and SS officers too. "Do you come from Auschwitz?" - everybody wanted
to know how it was there. "Is it really like that? One hears the most horrible
things." It was very difficult to be evasive. I would never have dared to tell
any SS officer, who still had to be considered an "insider", anything at all
about Auschwitz. In Auschwitz it was completely different.

ST: There you could dissociate yourself from it?

M: Absolutely.

ST: What objections did your colleagues have who were for it?

M: "Is it necessary to do this in the middle of the war? There will be time for
it later." "One should try to get as big a work force as possible. It would be
better if the people were fed better." That was one view. Then there was the
opposite view. "It has to be done at once. If we wait any longer there will be
objections, and there are those who are against it."

ST: From a purely technical point of view, people were against it? And
economically?

M: That was the main problem.

ST: But ideologically?

M: Ideologically...

ST: The majority was for it?

M: The majority of the doctors were against it from a purely technical point of
view, and also because of economic reasons.

ST: But ideologically in favour?

M. Ideologically nobody differed.

ST: What was the ideology?

M: Simply National Socialism, as expounded by [Alfred] Rosenberg. The Germanic
race was the future of the world and a guarantee against corruption and
mismanagement and for keeping our Europe pure. The root cause of every evil in
culture, of every degeneracy was the Jews, which is clear from the fact that the
Jews weren't tolerated already in the Middle Ages. There must have been good
reasons to put them into ghettos. There were constant pogroms, not only in
Germany, in the whole of Europe. That is because the Jewish race is a
destructive factor. There is no development, no peace, nothing worth living for
when the Jews have a finger in the pie.

ST: Therefore they must be exterminated?

M: Because it hasn't succeeded so far in spite of all the severe measures, but
they continually take hold of decisive posts in the economy, in the state, in
cultural life. It has to be stopped. That can be done only by total physical
extermination.

[...]

ST: Isn't the ideology of extermination contrary to a doctor's ethical values?

M: Yes, absolutely. There is no discussion. But I lived in that environment, and
I tried in every possible way to avoid accepting it, but I had to live with it.
What else could I have done? And I wasn't confronted with it directly until the
order came that I and my superior and another one had to take part in the
exterminations since the camp's doctors were overloaded and couldn't cope with
it.

ST: I must ask something. Doubters claim that "special treatment" could mean
anything. It didn't have to be extermination.

M: "Special treatment" in the terminology of the concentration camp means
physical extermination. If it was a question of more than a few people, where
nothing else than gassing them was worth while, they were gassed.

ST: "Special treatment" was gassing?

M: Yes, absolutely.

ST: And "selection".

M: That was the selection of those who were still fit for work and those who
were no longer economically useful.

ST: Doctors made the "selection"?

M: It was supposed to be that way, but it was impossible considering the number.

[...]

     Bruchfeld, Stephane: Foernekandet av Foerintelsen. Nynazistisk
historiefoerfalskning efter Auschwitz, Stockholm 1995, Svenska Kommitten Mot
Antisemitism.

     Swedish Committee Against Antisemitism
     stephane.bruchfeld@mailbox.swipnet.se
     Address: Box 34036, S-100 26 Stockholm, Sweden

     "Es ist nichts schrecklicher als eine taetige Unwissenheit" - Goethe

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Historians and Holocaust Denial
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 19:05:57 -0400
From: jsavage 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

philnancy@aol.com wrote:
>
> Snead wrote:
>
> philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=843
> > Come on Philip enough lying buddy. How do you look yourself in the
> mirror?
> > Michael Snead
> > 14/88
>
> Poor Mr. Snead, unable to deal with reality, and ill equipped to
> discuss it, hopes a silly charge will be a ready substitute for
> evidence.
>
> The historical community considers denial a farce, practiced by people
> of ignorance or blind hate. In Mr. Snead's case, it appears to be both.
>

By your own words you have condemned yourself...you
continually deny the following!....and therefore are
"ignorant or blinded by hate...or both"

"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the
Christ? HE IS AN ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH THE FATHER
AND THE SON". (1John 2:22)

"WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE
FATHER: (1John 2:23a)

It seems the only time you open your mouth is to
change feet...

js
--
Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite
a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew".

                                       The 1980 Jewish Almanac

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Historians and Holocaust Denial
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 16:15:46 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

Savage wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=872
> philnancy@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Snead wrote:
> >
> > philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=843
> > > Come on Philip enough lying buddy. How do you look yourself in the
> > mirror?
> > > Michael Snead
> > > 14/88
> >
> > Poor Mr. Snead, unable to deal with reality, and ill equipped to
> > discuss it, hopes a silly charge will be a ready substitute for
> > evidence.
> >
> > The historical community considers denial a farce, practiced by
people
> > of ignorance or blind hate. In Mr. Snead's case, it appears to be
both.
> >
>
> By your own words you have condemned yourself...you
> continually deny the following!....and therefore are
> "ignorant or blinded by hate...or both"

Nonsense, don't quote scripture to defend the indefensible. Jews are a
tiny minority of the people throughtout the world who do not accept the
Christian God, and yet you focus on them. The reason is not religious,
or you would feel the same about other non-Christians. You just hate
Jews and you will one day answer to the Lord for that and for using his
words to justify it. The judgment is the Lord's to make, not yours.

>
> It seems the only time you open your mouth is to
> change feet...

It seems you forget to engage the brain when you open yours, Jew hater.

Philip Mathews

>
> js
> --
> Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite
> a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew".
>
>                                        The 1980 Jewish Almanac

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Douglas Reed
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:33:17 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

In a message dated 9/6/99 4:06:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, philnancy@aol.com
writes:

<< You are not a Christian, but a fake Christian who gets his information
 from liars and antisemites. Unlike you, Jews are not haters or racists.
 My sources are mainstream and truthful, the kind that ignore you and
 yours as the lunatic fringe you are!
  >>

Michael Snead wrote:
Phil, honey ,why are you so upset? Whether you believe that I am a Christian
or not matters very little to me. But to tell me that Jews are not haters or
racists I will hand this to you...YOU ARE A LIAR. Your main stream sources
are as bigoted towards Christians as you are. If I am Lying why does it upset
you so? I will answer that.... because you know that the chains of bondage on
the knowledge of the American people are about to be loosed and Holohoax
Deniers such as your self will have to recant.
Michael Snead
14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Phony Holohoax Numbers II
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:46:44 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

In a message dated 9/6/99 4:27:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, philnancy@aol.com
writes:

<< >  Again you display hostility not only toward a woman but the truth
 too...are
 > you Gay? Don't lie now.

 Her sex has nothing to do with it. She, like you, are liars as
 demonstrated. Look to thy wife Snead!


 >  >>

Unlike you Philip, I do look to my wife. So you are Gay Huh?

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Historians and Holocaust Denial
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:20:53 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

In a message dated 9/6/99 7:17:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, philnancy@aol.com
writes:

<< Nonsense, don't quote scripture to defend the indefensible. Jews are a
 tiny minority of the people throughtout the world who do not accept the
 Christian God, and yet you focus on them. The reason is not religious,
 or you would feel the same about other non-Christians. You just hate
 Jews and you will one day answer to the Lord for that and for using his
 words to justify it. The judgment is the Lord's to make, not yours.

  >>

And on that glorious day we that are called by his name will hear,"well done
my good and faithful servant" on the other hand you will hear"DEPART FROM ME
YOU WORKERS OF INIQUITY I NEVER KNEW YOU!"
Michael Snead
14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Judaism, Communism and the Shield of the Holohoax
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 19:21:10 -0600
From: Ed Kadach 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

A good friend of mine and of a few others on this list wrote this article
not to long ago. He's an articulate man of great vision.

Racialist regards,

Ed Kadach

Judaism, Communism and the Shield of the Holohoax

Dan Parker

There is a revolution coming which will cast Judaism upon the rubbish heap
where that vile doctrine belongs. This relic should never have been
preserved in the first place and has brought more death and suffering into
the world than probably any other single system of religious dogma. That
suffering has afflicted Jews as well. But if Jews cling to this tenebrous
creed, one can hardly feel sympathy for them. It has been largely, however,
the people who do not even know of the repugnant doctrine in which Jews
traffic that have suffered the most.

"Boston: A Harvard Divinity School professor, John Strugnell, was removed
this week as chief editor of the Dead Sea Scrolls not only because of his
poor health, but because of a tirade against Israel and Judaism, his
colleagues said. The remarks, in which he called Judaism ‘a horrible
religion’ that ‘should have disappeared,’ came as a surprise to some
colleagues working with him to decipher the ancient texts of the Old
Testament. Strugnell made the remarks in a recent interview published in
Haaretz, a Tel Aviv newspaper. In the Haaretz interview, Strugnell, 60, said
he was not against Jews but their religion, according to an account soon to
be published in the Biblical Archaeology Review. ‘I can’t allow the word
anti-Semitism to be used,’ he is quoted as saying, ‘Anti-Judaist, that’s
what I am.’ "

If anyone really wants to find the true font of hate, he need seek nowhere
else than the Jewish legal code found in the Babylonian Talmud, and in the
culture which it spawned. One can hardly blame the non-Jews of the world for
rebelling against this vulgar creed.

It behooves you to seriously investigate Judaism. You will have to do this
largely independently as Jews will mount carefully designed subterfuges to
obfuscate and keep you from finding out the full truth of their religion.
You cannot seek to learn the truth from Jews.

Surely, you must be at least a little curious. The non-Jewish world has
historically reacted violently when Jews have surreptitiously imposed parts
of their religion and system of belief upon the non-Jews, be they Christian,
Moslem or atheist. This cannot be explained by any of the lame offerings
Jews have used to placate the mass of non-Jews—anti-Semitism, religious
bigotry, hate, intolerance.

While there have been periods of religious bigotry, particularly during the
medieval period, four millenia of extremely violent reaction to Judaism
cannot be explained so simply.

"Once we perceive that it is Judaism which is the root cause of
antisemitism, otherwise irrational or inexplicable aspects of antisemitism
become rationally explicable…Only something representing a threat to the
core values, allegiances and beliefs of others could cause such universal,
deep and lasting hatred. This Judaism has done…" (Why the Jews: by Denis
Prager and Joseph Telushkin, 1985)

No rational person can deny the unique evil of Communism. While theories on
communism existed prior to the 20th century, it was the Jewish Bolshevik
Revolution in Russia in 1917 which introduced this consummately evil system
of government to the world. Communism, according to Professor R. J. Rummel
of the University of Hawaii has devoured in excess of 200 million human
lives—not in wars, but in what Prof. Rummel calls democide, death by the
state. Jews gave the world this evil system of government.

"Some call it Marxism—I call it Judaism." (The American Bulletin, Rabbi S.
Wise, May 5, 1935).

"Marxism is the modern form of Jewish prophecy." (Reinhold Niebur, Speech
before the Jewish Institute of Religion, New York October 3, 1934)

Judaism and Communism are in perfect accord. This should tell one all he
needs to know of Judaism. Jews now try to distance themselves from the
murderous regime they instituted in the former Soviet Union. They will claim
that those Jews were atheists and therefore, not real Jews.

"The Communists are against religion, and they seek to destroy religion;
yet, when we look deeper into the nature of Communism, we see that it is
essential nothing else than a religion." (A Program for the Jews and
Humanity, Harry Waton, p. 138).

It can easily be shown that Judaism and Communism are intimately in accord
with each other. Judaism, however, was not banned in the former Soviet
Union. There were some synogogues destroyed, and Jewish Communist Commisars
even killed their fellow Jews, but they were not attacked remotely on the
scale of the Christians and especially the sadistic slaughter of hundreds of
thousands of Russian Christian clergy. Moreover, as Harry Waton pointed out
in his book, "A Program for the Jews and Humanity," Communism was itself a
religion. Waton was not the only Jewish writer to make this observation.

In the 1989 book, "Destructive Generation: Second Thoughts About the
Sixties," by Peter Collins and David Horowitz, Horowitz makes clear, the
Marxist belief system–despite its protestations of atheism and "scientific
socialism"–is essentially an ersatz religion:

"Our parents were idolaters in the church of a mass murderer named Joseph
Stalin. ... Totalitarianism is the possession of reality by a political
Idea–the Idea of the socialist kingdom of heaven on earth, the redemption of
humanity by political force. … Belief in the kingdom of socialist heaven is
the faith that transforms vice into virtue, lies into truth, evil into good.
For in the revolutionary regions, the Way, the Truth, and the Life of
salvation lie not with God above but with men below–ruthless, brutal, venal
men– on whom the faith confers the power of gods. There is no mystery in the
transformation of the socialist paradise into Communist hell: Liberation
theology is a Satanic creed."

Whatever the personal price we pay for our rebelling against this evil
"religion," Judaism, we must be willing to pay that price. Or we are not
worthy to call ourselves the descendents of the great men and women who
built this nation, America; we are not deserving of the liberty for which
they sacrificed their blood and honor—their very lives.

The Holocaust Story® is a fraud, a hoax. It is designed to shield Jews from
suspicion of the dirty work in which they are engaged. It enriches them
monetarily that they can carry on this evil labor of destroying our freedom,
our sanity, our culture, our religion, even our lives.

Revisionists have called their endeavor the intellectual adventure of the
20th century. It might be called the spiritual endeavor of the 20th century
as well. If we do not cast off this false religion, we will gradually
succumb to even greater evils that grin devilishly at us from within the
dank and dark inner sanctum of Judaism—the most vile and repugnant creed
that was ever introduced into the world.

"All truth passes through three stages. First,
it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
---Schopenhauer

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Subject: [13texan] Talmudist control the media
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:41:22 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
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Talmudists
Controller of the Media

    The plan of the Talmudists to control the world press, and with it the
thinking (and I use the term loosely) of Christians everywhere was broken
down into three phases:

    1. Journals which are under Jewish control, either by outright ownership
or through their control;

    2. Journals bearing the banner of a specific nationality, such as German,
Irish, Spanish, Greek, Italian, etc.;

    3. Journals printed specifically under the Talmudist banner.

    The first class is made up, for all intents and purposes, by those
important newspapers and magazines which are controlled or owned outright by
Jews, but often under the editorship of Gentiles. Today, over 47 weekly
magazines, with a circulation of well over 79 million, are owned or
controlled by the Talmudists.

    MAGAZINE                 OWNERSHIP AND/OR CONTROL

TV. Guide                     Walter H. Annenberg
McCall's                      Robert Stein, Editor
Good Housekeeping             Harrison Aaron Mitnich
Time                          Andrew Heiskell, Chairman
Newsweek                      Katherine Meyer Graham, Chairman
Sports Illustrated            Andrew Heiskell, Chairman
U.S. News & World Report      Lester Tanzer, Editor
Esquire                       Stanley Spregel, Vice Pres.
Sports Afield                 Harrison Aaron Mitnich, Treasurer

    In the even more important field of daily newspapers, over 909 major
daily newspapers are Talmudist owned and/or controlled. Following are the top
eleven:

    NEWSPAPER                OWNERSHIP AND/OR CONTROL

Wall Street Journal           Walter Henry Phillips, President
New York Daily News           I.W. Gold, Advertising Manager
Los Angeles Times             Simon Ramo, Director
New York Times                Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, President
Chicago Tribune               Edward Engle, Vice Pres.
Detroit News                  G. Gingold, Vice Pres.
Detroit Free Press            John Livingston Weinberg, Director
Chicago Sun Times             Howard A. Seitz, Director
Philadelphia Bulletin         Herbert Shugar, Director
Washington Post               Katherine Meyer Graham,Chairman
New York Post                 Byron S. Greenberg, Vice Pres.

    All the above newspapers are Jewish controlled. In addition, there are at
least 17 daily newspapers with circulation between 250,000 to 500,000 which
are Jewish owned and/or controlled. Examples are:

San Francisco Chronicle            Miami Herald
Atlanta Journal                    Indianapolis Star
Boston Globe                       Kansas City Times
St. Louis Globe-Democrat           Omaha World Herald

    All of the major TV networks are under the control of the Talmudists:

ABC                      Leonard H. Goldenson, Chairman
CBS                      William S. Paley, Chairman
NBC                      Robert W. Sarnoff, Chairman
Metro-Media T.V.         Herbert G. Klein, Vice Pres. and Director

    There is much more, but this will suffice for now.

    This same control can be traced in the media, Hollywood, the stage, the
sugar industry, the tobacco industry, the liquor industry, professional
sports, banking, the American Bar Association, the National Education
Association, pornography, prostitution, music, drugs and more. In other
words, by following the procedures laid down in The Babylonian Talmud, this
alien people, who make up less than 3% of our population, exert almost
complete control over once Christian America.

    Today, it is said that America is to blame for most of the ills which
afflict the world. It could much more accurately be said that the
International Talmudic financiers are the effect of our troubles. The cause,
as anyone who has read Deuteronomy 28 knows, is the disobedience of God's
people which always brings oppression from their enemies.

    So today, we see the confusing and frightening sight of a nation of 235
million people being controlled largely by a minority of less than 3%.
Deuteronomy 28:43 and 44 says: The stranger (alien) that is within thee
(Israel) shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very
low... he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail. This has happened
because our white Christian people have allowed it to happen.

    While Christians in America have been willing to open our doors and share
our freedoms with the Jewish people, they in turn do not want to share
America with Christians. They want it all! Whenever they are thus accused,
and their international plot exposed, they dredge up the plaintive cry of
"anti-Semitism," and publish another dreary account of what they call the
"holocaust." Anyone who commits crimes against our people should be tried and
punished. It does not matter who they are, minority or majority, Israelite or
Gentile, Jew or Christian.

    There will always be apologists for the Jews, especially among the
brainwashed forces of fundamentalism and evangelicalism. They will say: "Why
accuse all Jews for the crimes of the few?" It is because the Jewish
communities of America collectively cooperate with the Internationalists in
their crimes, and there are very few Jewish voices who speak out against
this. One who did a few years ago was Oscar Levy, who in the foreword of his
book, The Historical Significance of the Russian Revolution. stated that
while the Jews came to the world as our saviors, they were in essence its
"seducers and destroyers."

    The Talmudists for centuries have practiced the art of deception until it
has become a second nature to them. They have waged war on this earth for
over 25 centuries and are taught the art of deception from birth. This means
that every Jew, potentially, is a combat-ready intelligence expert.

    International Talmudic Jewry has always had a four-pronged strategy:

    1.   Manipulate the members of the host nation into helping the Jews, no
matter how  dangerous this assistance is to their own country.

    2.   If individuals refuse to cooperate, bypass them and take care of
them in the "mopping " operation.

    3.   If they actively resist, mark them for destruction and then destroy
them through    defamation of character which can be achieved through
controlled press, or even by using a nation's due process of law.

    Listen to their own words from their textbook Psychopolitics, page 52
(available from this ministry for $2.50 pp.): Recruit every agency of the
nation marked for slaughter into a foaming hatred of Christianity ... You
must subort district attorneys, and judges into an intense belief...that
Christian practice is vicious, bad, insanity-causing, and publicly hated and
intolerable. Just as in Russia, we destroyed, after many years, the Church,
so we must destroy all faiths in nations marked for conquest. (Emphasis
added.)

    The only faith which is inviolate, is the Talmudic faith of Judaism, and:

    4.   Never let any individual or organization in the host nation use the
media or the courts to counterattack Talmudism.

    This has become so successful in America that when a Jew attacks a
Christian, or some Christian practice, it is considered "freedom of speech
and the press," but if the Christian does the same thing, it immediately
becomes a "hate crime," with the horrible label of "anti-Semitic" attached.

    If I, as an Anglo-Saxon writer, were to charge openly that my writings
were not accepted, not because they were untrue, but because they exposed
Talmudism and could not pass Jewish censorship, there would be an immediate
hue and cry spearheaded by fundamental Christian leaders who would label me
an "apostate." Not because I had departed from Biblical truths, but because I
turned the spotlight of God's Word on His enemies! They would immediately
classify me as being prejudiced, although most of them do not even understand
the meaning of the term. The word "prejudice" comes from the Latin word,
"praejudicium" which means: "to form an opinion without knowing the facts."
But even when truths are painstakingly documented, both from Scriptures and
history, the prostitutes of Talmudism scream "apostate."

    Talmudism has one major flaw. It must work in secret in order to be
successful. So when people know the truth about this foe of mankind, they
will successfully defend themselves against it. The victims must not know
what is happening! They must either be lied to, or become so confused that
they refuse to accept the truth. This truth is self-evident: If Talmudism can
be exposed, it can be defeated! Jesus said, "Ye shall know the truth and the
truth shall make you free." Truer words were never spoken. This is why all
attempts at exposure are greeted with howls of anguish from the Jewish
leaders who try to label the truth seekers as "kooks," "dangerous
extremists," "haters," "fascists," "neo-Nazis," and "anti-Semitics." They
cannot allow our white Christian citizens to know their plans. This is the
reason that books such as this are printed and why they are hated by the
Talmudists.

    When Jesus spoke to the Talmudist leaders in John 8:32-33, they revealed
the fact that they were not Israelites when they boastingly said: "We be
Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man;...."

    What more proof do you need that these Talmudist Pharisees were not of
Israel? Here they openly admit it. They are openly boasting of the fact that
they were never in bondage to anyone, which means they could not be Israel
since anyone who has ever studied the Bible knows that Israel had been in
bondage in Egypt for hundreds of years. (Try this one on your minister and
see how he will wiggle around this fact.)

    Since we are assured that "the truth shall set you free," we see the
Jewish world go to any lengths to keep the truth from our brainwashed people.
No matter what the rabbi at an ecumenical meeting may say to the goyim who
listen to him, rest assured that he is not seeking the kingdom of God on this
earth, but a material Jewish kingdom where he will be the master in control.
The desire of the Talmudists, according to their own writers, will be
fulfilled when the wealth of the word lays at their feet and all mankind bows
down before them.

    I believe that Henry Ford, Sr. understood this truth when he stated in
his book, The International Jew: If the Jews were fully understood by the
Gentiles (non-Jews), if the Christian churches, for example, were freed from
their delusions that the Jews are Old Testament people, and if the churches
really knew what the Talmudic religion was all about, this policy of
misrepresentation would die. This policy succeeds because there is a feeling
strongly entrenched in Christians by their religious leaders to the point
where their people believe it is dangerous to oppose the Jews in anything;
for whoever opposes a Jew, damns himself! The "fear of the Jews" is a very
real element in our life. It is as real among Jews as among "non-Jews " since
the Jew is bound by fear of his own leaders, and he exercises the fear of the
curse throughout all the sphere of his religion.

    If Jews were really Old Testament people, if they were really conscious
of a "mission for the blessing of all mankind," (which is our Israel
heritage, Ed.) the very things in which they offend the Christian world would
disappear. If the Jew is being attacked, it is not because he is a Jew, but
because he is the source and life of certain tendencies and influences which,
if they are not checked, will mean the destruction of moral society.

    In his book, The Writings of Benjamin Franklin. New York, 1905-1907,
author Albert H. Smythe writes: As the American colonies rose in revolt
against political oppression occasioned by the attempt of Jewish banking
houses in Europe to consolidate their economic foothold in the New World, no
man among the Founding Fathers was more alert to their designs than that
shrewd elder statesman of the American Revolution, Benjamin Franklin. Writing
to John Adams from Passy, France, November 26, 1781, Franklin declared: "I
think that keeping us out of possession of fifty thousand pounds sterling
worth of good for securing the payment of a demand for damages is not only
dishonorable treatment but a monstrous injustice. It seems to me that it is
principally with John Neufville of Amsterdam, Holland, we have to do; and
although I believe him to be as much a Jew as any in Jerusalem, I did not
expect that, with so many and such constant professions of friendship for the
United States with which he heads his letters, he would attempt to enforce
his demands by a procedure so abominable. His proposition of terms on which
he would borrow money for us stamped his character on my mind with an
impression so deep that it is not yet effaced."

    De Neufville was a Dutch-Jewish international banking house that wanted
to make a loan to the Continental Congress on the modest security of the
entire Thirteen States, with the stipulation that all American trade and
exchange would go through them. This is exactly what the International
Talmudists are attempting to do today with the Third World countries.

    Many of Franklin's letters revealed his utter loathing for these alien,
anti-Christ people who were attempting to get rich off the suffering of
Americans. His most damning indictment of Jewry was contained in his famous
prophecy before the Constitutional Convention of 1787 in Philadelphia. He
declared: I fully agree with General Washington, that we must protect this
young nation from an insidious influence and penetration. That menace,
gentlemen, is the Jews!

    In whatever country the Jews have settled in any great number, they have
lowered its moral  tone; depreciated its commercial integrity; have
segregated themselves and have not been assimilated; have sneered at and
tried to undermine the Christian religion upon which this country was founded
by objecting to its restrictions; have built a state within a state; and when
opposed have tried to strangle that country to death, as in the case of Spain
and Portugal.

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Subject: [13texan] Jewish undermining of the Christian Faith
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:48:06 EDT
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The follow is an article that Willie Martin wrote that I felt the necessity
to share with all of you at this point. Some of the parts of the Talmud are
repeated from what I posted but I didn't want to change what he has worked so
hard to write.
Michael Snead
14/88


    I am not now, nor have I ever, counseled radical reaction against Jews.
But, we do need an objective examination of what has happened in the modern
church which has caused her to lose her power. Ask yourself. Where do the
harmful influences come from which are destroying Christian America? Who are
the people who protest the use of Christian symbols in public places (and now
they are objecting to these symbols in privately funded areas) where, as a
Christian nation, we have displayed them for hundreds of years? Who protests
the use of a city park for an Easter sunrise program? Or protests the
performance of a high school presenting the Messiah each year at Christmas?
Who would deny your child the right to read his, or her, Bible in school
during their free time? They can read some pretty violent comic books, or
books from the school library depicting sex scenes, but God forbid if they
read their Bibles. The Bible has been made verboten by one group only.
>
>   I dare you to read objectively the controlled news. If you decide to be
objective, you will readily see that 90% of the complaints made against
anything Christian, many of which are downright stupid, come from Jewish
sources. Whenever you see an article in the news pertaining to some
right-wing Christian action, nine times out of ten you will see a statement
from some big-shot, Anti-Defamation League spokesman trying to explain that
action.Yet this agency is anti-Christian, anti-American and an unregistered
agent of a foreign country, operating illegally on American soil. Why is this
allowed? Why does our government allow the A.D.L. to act as an unlicensed
office of the Justice Department? They are the ones who are pushing for hate
legislation while operating as America's foremost haters and persecutors.
>
>   The attempt to take Christ out of Christmas and replace Him with Santa
Claus is Jewish backed. The attempt to replace Christ with the Easter bunny
during the Lenten season is another attack against what we have held sacred.
It is not prejudice or bigotry when I state these facts. It is truth and you
must recognize it as such. Ask yourself why is it allowable for a Christian
to criticize most anyone else; Catholic, Mormon, Moslem, Buddhist, etc., but
under no circumstances may you tell the truth about the Jews? Please don't
offer up that phony God's Chosen People bit, or misapply Genesis 12:3 as the
basis for your answer.
>
>   We have seen the sad spectacle in our colleges and universities of the
radicals who have sought to disrupt our educational process. It does little
good to attack these radicals when they are mostly immature youths. But, is
it wrong to show that most of this social radicalism comes from Jewish
sources, and that almost 100% of these radical college groups are run by
young Jews from wealthy Jewish families? This acknowledgment comes from sad
experience with them during the Vietnam War. See who it is that burns the
American flag, or uses it to wipe their feet. Who is it that immerses an
image of Christ on the cross in a bottle of his own urine? Why are a vast
majority of the more than 40,000 Marxist college professors also Jews?
>
>   During the Vietnam War, I worked the college circuit as I lectured for
the John Birch Society. I had 25 confrontations during that period with
radical groups, some serious physical confrontations which included an attack
against me at Kansas State University in Lawrence, Kansas, in April 1972. In
100% of these cases, these radicals were led by young Jews from wealthy
Jewish families. Was there a reason behind this? I believed there was, and in
the summer of 1979, I set aside all my scheduled activity to try and find out
what that reason was. I went to Jewish sources to gather information and
found that it was Jewish Higher Criticism, in both the church and school,
which had been responsible for the destruction in our youth of a sense of
respect for their Christian heritage of freedom. Additionally, I learned it
was the Jewish revolutionary social doctrine which went hand-in-glove with
Higher Criticism which was bringing about the long planned Jewish social
revolution. These two ideas cannot exist apart from each other as they are
mutually dependent, and they are the fulfillment of Talmudic teachings which
seek to split the goyim society by means of ideas.
>
>   Verification of this plan can be seen in the writings of the Jewish
author, Marcus Eli Ravage, in the January 1928 issue of Century Magazine. I
quote: We Jews are at the bottom of nearly all your wars; not only of the
Russian Revolution, but of every other major revolution in your history ...
We did it solely with the irresistible might of our spirit, with ideas and
propaganda.
>
>   Oscar Levy, another Jewish writer, in the preface to the book, The World
Significance of the Russian Revolution. said: There is scarcely an event in
modern Europe that cannot be traced back to the Jews. We Jews today are
nothing else but the world's seducers; its destroyers; its incendiaries; its
revolutionaries.
>
>   The Jewish Chronicle, a leading Jewish newspaper in the United States, in
its April 4,1918, issue stated: there is much in the fact of Bolshevism
itself, in the fact that so many Jews are Bolshevists, in the fact that the
ideals of Bolshevism (the forerunner of Communism, Ed.) are consonant(in
agreement with, Ed.) the finest ideals of Judaism (Talmudism, Ed.)
>
>   The American Hebrew, the leading Jewish newspaper in the United States in
1920 said: What happened in Russia shall also, through the same Jewish mental
(Talmudic, Ed.) and physical forces, become a reality over all the world.
>
>   The Christian world has known of these threats ever since Jewish radicals
in Thessalonica (see Acts 17:6) hauled Jason and other Christian leaders
before the civil authorities, accusing them of "turning the world upside
down."
>
>   The Jewish system of procedures, or Talmudic System, is known by
educators and seminarians, yet such is the power of the Talmudists, that few
are willing to put forth a warning of the destruction which awaits a sleeping
Christianity.
>
>   The Talmudic principle is simplicity itself. First, secularize and
humanize the public schools. Prepare the mind of the goyim children to accept
one-world propaganda. This can be vividly illustrated by a teacher's
handbook, published by a radical Jewish child psychologist by the name of
Paul Brandwein. In its opening statement, Brandwein said:
>Remember every child comes to school insane because of what they have
learned at home and in their church. It is your task as teacher to heal this
insanity and prepare the child to become one of the international children of
the future.
>
>   This book was in the Texas school system for a short time, but due to the
efforts of the Mel Gabler family, it was removed.
>
>   Ask yourself why it is that in our public (government) schools much is
made of "Black Studies Week," while much of the history that points to the
white Christian heritage of America has been withdrawn? Could it be that one
principle being used is to discourage our culture of patriotism, love of
country and its connection to the Christian faith? This is the liberalism
which is applauded by Jewry, the Jewish-controlled labor unions, the National
Education Association and many of our clergy and politicians. One of these
boldly declared: If the Jews can get away with it, more power to them. If the
Jewish idea is stronger than that of the Christian, let it win!
>
>   This is how Christian nations are destroyed! And, the fight is not being
waged fairly. How can children, or their parents, make proper judgments
regarding the best course of action for their families, or their nation, when
the media which is filling their living rooms daily with trash and lies, is
under the control of the very enemy they have need to fear. The great ideals
of Christian Anglo-Saxondom are kept from white people under the guise that
these ideals constitute "racism." It is not a fair fight when our white
Christian youth are offered Jewish-Talmudic ideas and ideals in place of
Christian American ideas and ideals. Let the Anglo-Saxon heritage of our
people have free course among their Anglo-Saxon sons and daughters and we
will see Christian ideas and ideals triumph 100% of the time. This is why
there is such an intensive drive on the part of world Jewry to keep the truth
from our white Christian people.
>
>   It was Judaism that began this struggle. They invaded this fair country,
not in order to make it a better place to live, but for their own gain. Let
no man or woman of the white race fear them. But let this fight be fought on
a fair basis. That is all that will be necessary for the truth to triumph! We
need not fear world Jewry, or the evils of Talmudism, as long as our people
are allowed to know the truth.
>
>   Today, our white society is confronted over and over again with the
horrid term,  "anti-Semitism." Yet there can be no such thing unless
"Semitism" first exists. The Jews love to complain how they were forced by
Christians to live in the ghettos of Europe, yet the ghettos were a Jewish
invention! The Jews have always desired to separate themselves because they
have always despised Christians. They are taught by The Talmud, that "contact
with the goyim contaminates them."
>
>   Yet strangely enough, it is not the Gentile who says that Jewish
Talmudism is incompatible with white Christianity. This separatism is
practiced by the Jews themselves! The Jew looks upon the Christian as a
"Johnny-Come-Lately," and since Americanism is of Christian origin and
invention, they are taught to despise it. The idea that America was founded
as a Republic is repugnant to the Jewish mind so they have set about to
change us into a socialist, democratic welfare state with them in control, of
course.
>
>   The Jew from the earliest times had gloried in religious persecution. It
is the thing which has kept their hatred alive, and the brainwashed minions
of Christianity have aided them in their deception. In his book, Israel's
Final Holocaust, Baptist Evangelist Jack Van Impe says that the Jews have
been persecuted throughout history because they were "God's chosen people and
Satan hated them." But this is not true! Scripture and history prove
otherwise. Jews have been run out of every country in Europe, not because of
their religion in itself, but because of their unscrupulous use of usury and
their immoral practices. There is no religious persecution of Jews in
America. There is religious prejudice brought about by the intolerable
Talmudic resentment for everything non-Jewish and practiced by Jews against
Christians. If the truth concerning Talmudic teachings were made known to the
majority of Christians, the Jews would be forced to leave America.
>
>   Religious prejudice is totally contrary to Anglo-Saxon genes. We have
always regarded a man's religion as a matter of conscience and allowed others
to believe as they will as long as they do not infringe on the rights of
others. This has always been an integral part of the American dream. But it
is interesting to note that the cry of "bigot," in America is raised by the
very people who are the world's worst bigots, the Jews.
>
>   One of the world-wide undertakings of the Roman Catholic church which has
received world-wide acclaim from Catholics, Protestants and even
non-Christians, has been the magnificent Passion Play of Obberramagau.
Hundreds of thousands flock to view the depiction of Christ's passion. Yet
the Jews see this as a vicious, anti-Semitic plot against them and have
forced the directors to change portions to conform, not to the truth, but to
Jewish demands.
>
>   Yet recently when a blasphemous movie was filmed in Hollywood under the
direction of the Jew, Lou Wasserman, entitled The Last Temptation of Christ,
and Christian anger rose to a new height against this blasphemy, Wasserman
went to Jerry Falwell, then head of the Moral Majority, asking him to temper
Christian protests. When Falwell suggested to this Jew that they remove the
movie from the market, Wasserman reacted with anger. Many of the liberal
pulpits of America praised this anti-Christ Jewish movie which made our Lord
out to be a whoremonger. This is the Talmudic mentality.
>
>   There is no politician in recent years who has been able to give evidence
of his Christian faith without coming under Jewish attack. As early as June,
1921, the Jewish press in America raised a clamor when it stated that
Christian churches were not competent to teach Americanism because the
churches held that Christian teachings and good citizenship were synonymous.
>
>   The parallel between the Protocols and Talmudism is so pronounced that
world-wide Jewry believes in the common  Jewish prophecy that "Christianity
is doomed to perish." Or, as one communist leader said, "We will banish God
from the skies." If Christianity should perish, it will be because it becomes
Judaized as is happening in a majority of our churches.
>
>   Have you ever wondered why with 45-million born-again Christian
Americans, according to their own estimates, our beloved country has been
sliding into hell at a faster rate in the past fifty years than at any time
in our history? Could it be that these professing Christians are the "salt
which has lost its savor" which the King talks about in Luke 14:34-35? He
said: Salt is good: but if the salt has lost his savour (its ability to act
as salt) wherewith shall it be seasoned? It is neither fit for the land, nor
yet for the dunghill (garbage dump); but men cast it out...
>
>   The main characteristic of salt is to stop corruption. Too much salt when
making bread stops the action of the yeast. Remember back before the days of
the deep freeze, when we salted our meat to preserve it? When salt loses this
property, it is good for nothing. How many Christians do we see these days
who fit this characteristic? When you find Christians who have lost their
salt, you will find he or she has probably come under the influence of
Judaism.
>
>   Throughout all of this, remember one thing: It is the "Jewish idea," the
Talmudic teaching which is the question at issue. It is not the Jewish people
themselves.
>
>

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Subject: [13texan] Jews sucking the Life blood out of many nations..
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:54:08 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
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The follow is an article that Willie Martin wrote that I felt the necessity
to share with all of you at this point. Some of the parts of the Talmud are
repeated from what I posted but I didn't want to change what he has worked so
hard to write.
Michael Snead
14/88

    For over 1700 years, the Jews have bewailed their sad fate in that they
have been exiled from their homeland, as they call Palestine. But gentlemen,
did the world give it to them in fee simple, they would at once find some
reason for not returning.  Why? Because they are vampires and vampires do not
live on vampires. They cannot live among themselves. They must subsist off
Christians and other peoples not of their race.

    If we do not exclude them from these United States in the Constitution,
in less than 200 years they will have swarmed here in such numbers that they
will dominate and devour the land, and change our form of government for
which we Americans have shed our blood, given our lives, our substance and
jeopardized our liberty!

    Jews, gentlemen, are Asiatics, let them be born where they will, no
matter how many generations they are away from Asia, they will never be
otherwise. Their ideas do not conform to an American's and will not, even
though they live among us for ten generations. A leopard cannot change his
spots. Jews are Asiatics and are a menace if permitted entrance, and should
be excluded by this Constitutional Convention.

    For many years, this speech was found among the diaries of Charles
Cotesworth Pickney, of South Carolina, who attended the Constitutional
Convention as a delegate. Then mysteriously, it disappeared from the
Philadelphia City Museum in the 1930's and all references to it were
withdrawn. Immediately, the Jewish leaders in America gleefully pounced on
this as proof that the "Franklin prophecy" was a forgery, just as they said
the same for The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. The Communist Rules
for Bringing About a Revolution, and The Communist Textbook on
Psychopolitics. (I have this latter book available for $2.50 pp.)

    But whether Franklin's prophecy was fake or not, regardless of whether it
was an elaborate hoax, what he foresaw has come to pass. It is a painful
fact!

    If Benjamin Franklin was alive today, you can be assured that he would be
in the forefront of those who are trying to save this Christian nation from
Talmudic control. White Christian Americans must remember this fact, for it
is all important to our survival! The Talmudists are not the cause of our
overwhelming problems. They and the aliens in our midst, are merely the
effects of Israel's disobedience. (Deuteronomy 28 will graphically explain it
to you.) When Israelites become more concerned with "doing their own things,"
than in obeying their God, we can expect these things to happen. In Jeremiah
22:21 we read: I spake unto thee in thy prosperity; but thou saidst, I will
not hear. This hath been thy manner from thy youth, that thou obeyest not my
voice.

    In Deuteronomy 28, we get a clear picture of what will happen to Israel
if they obey their God. But, beginning with verse 15, we read dire warnings
of the price we will pay for disobedience. Think about Korea and Vietnam, as
you read verse 25: The Lord shall cause thee to be smitten before thine
enemies: .... In both of these wars, we were whipped by nations smaller than
most of our states. We did not have a "peace with honor" in either of them,
no matter what charlatans like Henry Kissinger said to the contrary.

    Verse 33 continues: The fruit of thy land, and all thy labours, shall a
nation which thou knowest not eat up;... (Emphasis added)

    Think about this as you ask what has happened to our strategic food
supply since 1985. We have none now. In case of a national emergency this
nation would be hungry in less than thirty days.

    In verses 43-44 we read: The stranger that is within thee shall get up
above thee very high and thou shalt come down very low ... he shall be the
head, and thou shalt be the tail.

    Ask yourself what has happened to Anglo-Saxon leadership in America in
the last fifty years? Who controls our economy? It is not our own people.
America's economy is at the mercy of International Jewish Banking families,
eight of them in this order:

1.   ROTHSCHILD BANK of London and Berlin

2.   LAZARD BROTHER BANK of Paris

3.   ISRAEL MOSES SEIF BANK of Italy

4.   WARBURG BROTHERS BANK of Amsterdam and Hamburg

5.   LEHMAN BROTHERS BANK of New York City

6.   KUEHN-LOEB BANK of New York City

7.   CHASE MANHATTAN BANK of New York City (As you know, Chase  Manhattan is
controlled by the international Rockefeller interests.)

8.   GOLDMAN-SACHS BANK of New York City

    Each of these banks is Jewish controlled and today approximately 300
Jewish businessmen who are closely associated, often by intermarriage,
control the money system of the world. They control an interlocking,
international banking cartel of unimaginable wealth and power which has
stolen billions of dollars from the American taxpayer since the Federal
Reserve Act became law in 1913. All by the application of Talmudic banking
practices.

    According to Theodore Hertzl, father of modern Zionism, the Talmudic
question arises whenever Jews appear because they bring it with them. It is
not their large numbers which causes the problem, but their Talmudic business
principles and practices of which they love to boast. We will see when we get
into The Talmud itself how these Jews are allowed by their own laws to cheat
any goyim with a clear conscience.

    Jewish power has become so strong in America that we see a turning away
from the Christian principles of our founding fathers to the heathen
philosophies of Babylonia.  This is being accomplished by Jewish propaganda.
The Jews have always been known as "propagandists." They initiated the idea
of brainwashing, or thought control as it is more accurately titled. This was
the technique used against our fighting men in Korea and Vietnam, it is being
used to seduce millions of youth in our government schools, and it is used in
the Judeo-Christian churches of this nation. These are not Christian ideas,
or American ideas, but the ideas of a heathen, alien philosophy which is
contrary to everything we say we believe in as Christians.

    The Talmudists insist over and over again that they "gave us our
Scripture," "gave us our God," "gave us our religion," and gave us our
Savior!" None of the claims are valid since none of these things have a
Jewish origin.

    Few Jewish leaders claim any spiritual mission for Jewdom. Theirs is a
mission to control a one-world government under the wise men of Jewdom. As
far back as 1881, a Jewish spokesman, Goldwin Smith, professor of Modern
History at Oxford University, boastingly said:  We Jews regard our race as
superior to humanity, and look forward, not to its ultimate union with other
races, but our triumph over them.

    In 1858, the head rabbi of Europe stated: Wars are the Jews harvests, for
by them we kill off the Christians and harvest their gold. We have already
killed a hundred million of them, and the end is not yet!

    This was before the inter-family American Civil War and the fratricidal
WWI and WWII. Samuel Roth, a noted Jewish author, stated to a fellow Jew:  We
came to the world pretending to escape persecution, and we are the most
deadly persecutors in all the wretched annals of man.

    In The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion which I have mentioned
before and which the Jewish world calls a forgery, we read in Article II,
Par. 5: ... Through the press we gained power to influence while remaining
ourselves in the shade; thanks to the press, we have the gold of the world in
our hands, notwithstanding that we have had to gather it out of oceans of
blood and tears. But it has paid us, though we have sacrificed many of our
own people. Each victim on our side is worth, in the sight of God, a thousand
goyim.

    If an intelligent being from another planet were to visit this world,
they would react with shock if they were told that the greatest source of
strength of our enemies rested in, and emanated from, the Christian church.
Thinking Christians should read I John 2:22-23 which provides a perfect word
description of an anti-Christ. This description fits the Talmudists more
closely than any other group on the surface of this planet. Then in II John
10 and 11, we are told that anyone who gives these anti-Christs aid and
comfort in any way, even by word of mouth, "becomes partakers of their evil
deeds." The Babylonian Talmud calls our Savior and King, Jesus the Christ, an
"illegitimate bastard," (SANHEDRIN, 67a). In another place it says that
Christ is the "illegitimate son of a Roman soldier and a Jewish prostitute
named Mary, and that he was conceived during menstruation."

    How in God's name can those who go by the name of Christian support those
who by their own admission are anti-Christs, who hate everything Christians
are supposed to stand for and who openly advocate the destruction of the
same? If the libraries in our seminaries were required to identify the books
which were written by anti-Christ Jews, there would be a drastic reduction in
those pastors who have been brainwashed by the equally brainwashed
seminarians. The fiction that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were Jews will not
stand up to even the scantest Biblical research any more than the words of
Genesis 12:3 pronounce a curse against anyone who takes a stand against these
evil people.

    One of the pressing issues in the Christian world today should be an
effort to liberate our white Christian people from what the Scriptures call,
"Fear of the Jews." The pastors of our churches should be required to tell
our people the truth that the Jews today are not Israelites, and that most
certainly they are not all of Israel. This is readily proven by the obvious
conclusion that they do not carry any of the fingerprints necessary to
establish their claim. Following are but a few of the Scriptural fingerprints
of Israel:

    1.   Israel was to glorify Jesus the Christ, Messiah, who was prophesied
by the Hebrew prophets. Do the Jews demonstrate this glorification?

    2.   Israel was commissioned by Jesus the Christ to carry the message of
God's salvation to all men, everywhere (Matthew 28:18-20). For centuries, who
has carried out this commission? The Anglo-Saxon,. Celtic and Scandinavian
peoples. At any time since the birth of Christ, have the Jews witnessed to
anyone of God's salvation through Jesus?

    3.   Israel was to lose her identity as a people after God divorced them.
They were to be scattered among the nations and forget who they were. (Hosea
1:9-10) Have the Jews ever lost their "identity?" Even though most Jews today
are of Turko-Mongol racial extraction and have no racial heritage to the
tribes of Israel, they never stop shouting from the housetops that they are
the "Chosen Ones."

    4.   Israel was designated by God to be a Holy People because they were
His servants. They were to spread the word of God, His kingdom and His
salvation. The Jews certainly boast of being a "holy people," and a "superior
people," they never admit to being servants.

    5.   Israel was to bring forth Kingdom fruits. The Anglo-Saxon peoples
have, in varying degrees, been exhibiting these fruits. Can we point to a
time in the centuries  since the Christ where the Jews have done so?

    6.   Israel was to become known as "Sons of the Living God" following
their captivities and dispersion among the nations. Born-from-above
Anglo-Saxons have this distinction. The Jews have never been known by this
description.

    7.   Israel was to become a "company of nations," and a "great nation."
The United Kingdom and America certainly fulfill this prophecy. While the
Israelis can today claim to be a powerful military force in the Middle East,
it is only because America has pumped in billions of dollars and resources to
keep it afloat. Even their leaders admit that if we withdrew our support,
they would collapse. Reaching back into history from the time of Christ,
where have the Jews ever been a "great nation," or a "company of nations?"
History is silent.

    8.   Who are known as Isaac's Sons, or Sax-sons? Certainly not the Jews.

    9.   Israelites were to be great colonizers, taming the vast wildernesses
and establishing colonies which became nations wherever they went. The Jews
have been a scourge to all nations wherever they went and, in many cases,
those nations expelled them. They were not hated for "His namesake," but for
their Talmudic practices.

    Does your pastor teach that the Jews comprise all of Israel? The truth
is, they are not even a part of it! If you would like Scriptural and
historical facts to support this statement, write for my books, The Mystery
of True Israel. $7.50 pp and Who Are the Jews?. $2.50, pp. I challenge you to
read these two books, compare them with Scripture and history, and discover
for yourself what the Bible really says about the Jews as it contrasts with
the teachings of your pastor.

    As mentioned earlier, the flaccid, milquetoast condition of most American
Christian churches was not brought about by science, or by scholarship, but
can be traced to German-Jewish Higher Criticism. This trend in thinking
became popular during the nineteenth century when it was believed that to
have a full-rounded theological education, one must attend a seminary in
Europe. The defenders of our Bible and the Christian faith have been sadly
handicapped in the defense of their faith because they have not been shown
the origin and purpose of the Talmudic Jewish attack against Christianity. It
was not a Christian attack, nor a German attack, but a Talmudic Jewish attack
perfectly tuned to Talmudic teachings which were not discussed by Dr. Neusner
in his book about The Talmud. In fact, he was very careful to avoid reference
to them.

    The majority of economic and social mush which comes from our pulpits
today was prepared by Jewish professors who have infiltrated most Christian
seminaries, even those of the evangelicals and fundamentalists. It is no
wonder that concerned Christians refer to these apostate schools as
"religious cemeteries." Very little comes out of them except Talmudic
corruption. If there is any place where the Jewish question should be
honestly approached it should be in the Christian church. Instead, in their
"approved blindness," they are often champions of the very enemies who have
taken an oath to destroy them.

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Subject: [13texan] "White Christian Identity"
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 21:11:23 PDT
From: "Jeanne-Marie Zimmerman" 
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

Dear List: Martin Lindstedt wrote this regarding what is termed as "White
Christian Identity" and I thought it was worth passing on. JM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    The purpose of Christianity -- to the World and to America--
is to take the message of Christ to those Christ said he was sent
onto:  The lost sheep of the House of Israel -- exclusively.

     Thus there are lost sheep of the House of Israel, and it is the
mission of those who call themselves Christians or followers of Christ
to do what Christ did -- minister unto the lost sheep of the House
of Israel.  Our fellow lost sheep must in turn be found andministered
unto just as we who were the lost sheep were found and ministered
unto in our turn by Christians.

    The real 'jews' are of the House of Judah, who were co-mingled
with the House of Israel.  Of those who were sent away to Babylon,
most stayed in those fleshpots and embraced Talmudism.  Even of
those 43,600 who did return, the purges of Ezra and Nehemiah did
not last, and the Judeans were trapped in Talmundic Phariseeism.
As a result, except for a few followers, who Christ sent to the
Lost Sheep of the House of Israel (Matt 10:5-6) Christ had very
little support from the real jews, with the result that these
Talmundic Jews were able to have him judicially murdered by the
Roman authorities.

    The 'jews' of today are a Turkic-Mongollian Eurasian mix of
which well over 90% are the so-called Ashkenazi 'jews.'  Their
descent from Ashkenaz, who was the son of Gomer(Gog), the nephew
of Magog, and the grandson of Japheth (See Genesis 10:3) has been
covered by myself several times on this listserver in response to
the khazar-worshippers.  Their worship, except for the Karaite sect,
is altogether Talmudic Phariseeism.

    Talmudic Phariseeism, with its numerous "traditions of man" which
Christ took exception to, and with its numerous blasphemies and hatreds
against Christ and Christians is racially and religiously incompatible with
Christianity.

    Thus the only Christian faith which is compatible with
Christ'smission and teaching is Christian Identity, which locates the" lost
sheep of the House of Israel" and proceeds to save them from the Satanic
mixture which is today's 'jewdeo-churchianity.'

    Thus the mission of Christianity today is not to turn White
Christians into khazar 'jews' or khazar 'jews' into White Christians,
breaking down both the natural bonds of differing races and religions,
but rather to rebond the White Israelite race to their rightful
Christian religion.

______________________________________________________

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Subject: [13texan] "THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE"
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 22:43:16 -0600
From: Ed Kadach 
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Jewish Research Proves Jews are not Israelites
By: Anonymous

Research Proves "Jews" are non-Israelite Asiatics!

DATELINE U.S.A.

In 1976 Random House published a book that should have hit the Christian
Churches like a
blockbuster, but instead they chose totally to ignore it. It dealt with the
racial origin of the
people in Communist and Christian countries who call themselves "Jews," and
whom the
Churches (and the Jews themselves) generally insist are "God's Chosen
People," the Israelite
descendants of Abraham.

Since the late 1800's a small number of Bible Scholars, who were also
students of History
and Racial origins, have insisted the Church denominations were wrong; that
instead of being
Israelites, these Jews from Eastern Europe and Western Asia were descended
from
Mongolians and other Asiatic peoples who had adopted Judaism as their
"religion" over 1,000
years ago and had become known as "Jews."

These Bible scholars were ignored or condemned, and often called "cultists"
or "anti-Semites."

Now, after many years of research, a well-known Jewish author, Arthur
Koestler has
published a 255 page book titled THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE in which he proves
the same
point; i.e. that these Eastern European "Jews" are neither Israelites nor
"Semites," but are
instead Khazars, Mongols, and Huns!

Most major newspapers and magazines reviewed the book during 1976. Also,
Random
House, the publisher, advertised it extensively and began some of their ads
with the following
headline: WHAT IF MOST JEWS AREN'T REALLY SEMITES AT ALL? In addition,
Random House quoted the following reviews:

"Mr. Koestler's excellent book...Is as readable as it is thought-provoking.
Nothing could be
more stimulating than the skill, elegance and erudition with which he
marshals his facts and
develops his theories..." Fitzroy Maclean, New York Times Book Review.

"You do not have to be Jewish to be interested... Are today's Western Jews
really ethnic,
Semitic, Biblical Jews, or are most of them descendants of converted
Khazars?...This
compact, interesting book...examines tragic-ironic implications in [this
question] for modern
history...It should fascinate." --Edmund Fuller, Wall Street Journal

"Koestler marshals the evidence in a clear and convincing way. He tells a
good story, pulling
together materials from medieval Muslims and Jewish travelers, scholarly
controversy and the
mysterious lore of the Khazars." --Raymond Sokolov, Newsweek

Robert Kirsch of the Los Angeles Times stated in his lengthy review that
'Arthur Koestler
publicizes with his customary skills a daring hypothesis: that THE KHAZAR JEWS
MIGRATED TO POLAND AND BECAME THE FOREBEARS OF EASTERN
EUROPEAN JEWRY...' Then Kirsch quoted Prof. A. N. Poliak of Tel Aviv
University, who
stated that "The large majority of world Jewry is descended from the Jews
of Khazaria." Then
he again quoted Koestler in THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE, "If so, this would mean
that their
ancestors came not from the Jordan but from the Volga; not from Canaan but
from the
Caucasus, once believed to be the cradle of the Aryan race; and that
GENETICALLY
THEY ARE MORE RELATED TO THE HUN, UIGUR, AND MAGYAR TRIBES THAN
TO THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC, AND JACOB..." (emphasis added)

We cannot stress enough how absolutely imperative it is for all Christian
Americans to
consider the startling proof in Arthur Koestler's book that today's Jews
are not Israelites. The
Jewish influence on American life has reached such a stage that no student
of contemporary
history can ignore it. Not only the news media are Jewish monopolies, but
top positions in the
U.S. government are largely filled by Eastern European Jews. The magazine
and book
publishing houses are in Jewish hands; and movies, television, and the
other entertainment
industries are dominated by Jews in all phases. America's government and
most of her
people's sources of information are controlled and directed by Jews. If
these people were
really "God's Chosen People," perhaps Americans would have little cause for
concern -- BUT
WHAT IF THEY ARE REALLY THE "HUNS" AND THEREFORE THE ANCIENT
ENEMIES OF CHRISTENDOM?

Since many Americans may not have an opportunity to read Koestler's book,
we shall
herewith submit our own index-style review.

THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE by Arthur Koestler, Random House, Reviewed by Pastor
Sheldon Emry

Page Information

15 Khazars adopt Judaism as their religion in A.D. 740.

16 Majority of Eastern European Jews are Khazar and Japhetic in origin, not
Semitic. Refers
to 1973 Jewish Encyclopedia and A. N. Poliak, Professor, Medieval Jewish
History, Tel
Aviv University.

17 Jews more closely related to Hun, Uigur, and Magyrs than to the seed of
Abraham Isaac
and Jacob.

18 Khazars exacted tribute from subject peoples.

20 Identified them with the hosts of Gog and Magog.

22 German word Ketzer is our word for Khazar and means heretic or Jew.

23 Khazars were with Attila the Hun in 4th century.

37-39 Some were phallic worshipers, killed anyone thought to be extra
intelligent and called it
an offering to god.

46 Quotes 1,000-year-old Arab historian, "The Khazars and their King are
all Jews...some
are of the opinion that Gog and Magog are the Khazars."

47-50 Khazars were re-exporters of foreign goods, middlemen, inspectors of
trade,
goldsmiths, and silversmiths; and they exacted 10% tax on all trade.

59-63 Jews fled Rome and Greece to Khazaria to avoid forced conversion to
Christianity.
They adopted Islam when forced but repudiated it when safe.

72 Khazar King, in a letter, traced his people in Togarma and Japheth, the
ancestors of all the
Turkisk tribes.

81 In A.D. 864 a monk wrote "there exists a people under the sky in regions
where no
Christians can be found, whose name is Gog and Magog, and who are Huns;
among them is
one called Gazari [Khazari?], who are circumcised and observe Judaism in
its entirety."
Koestler quoted another source that Christians were prisoners of these
Jews. (Comment by
reviewer: Compare with Communist Russia today. Jews are in high positions
throughout
Russia, but few Christians are left alive in the whole land! The leopard
has NOT changed his
spots.)

93 Russian communists tried to hide Khazar-Jewish connection!

95-132 History of breaking up of Khazar Empire and integration of these
Jews into Russia,
Poland, etc.

135 Khazar kingdom known as a kingdom of "Red" Jews.

141 Khazars joined Ghengis Khan and retained their Judaism.

145 Interchangeable names --Khazar, Zhid (or Yid), and Jew

151 Majority of Jews in Middle Ages were Khazars.

152-154 Jews were mintmasters, royal treasurers, tax collectors, and money
lenders.
Principal source of income was foreign trade and the levying of customs
dues and they
practiced communal life.

159-161 They lost the name of Khazars and became known as Jews. During Dark
Ages
commerce largely in Jewish hands, including slave trade.

163-167 During Crusades whole families and towns of Jews committed suicide
rather than
accept Christianity.

167-171 Proves only a handful of Sephardim Jews were in Europe so the vast
majority of
Jews today are Khazar in origin.

172-174 Gives origin of Yiddish language. It is NOT Hebrew!

178 "The Jewish dark ages may be said to begin with the Renaissance."
(Reviews comment:
This remark by the Jew Cecil Roth, coupled with other information, is a
sorrowful admission
that the Jews were supreme in the Dark Ages but lost their dominion over
Europe when the
LIght of God's Word brought about the Renaissance in Europe!)

180-199 Quotes from many sources to prove Jews NOT descended from Biblical
Israelites,
ending with this, ...evidence from anthropology concurs with history in
refuting the popular
belief in a Jewish race descended from the biblical tribe.

200-222 Refers to others who have written on the same subject.

223 Israeli's right to exist...not based on...the mythological covenant of
Abraham with God; it
is based on international law -- i.e., on the United Nations' decision of
1947...

224-226 Koestler ends his book by saying he believes many Jews have learned
of their
Khazar ancestry and now reject the Chosen- Race doctrine. (Reviewer's
comment: This
section of Koestler's book is practically a rejection of any relationship
between God and the
"Jews." It is a cry of We have no king but Ceasar heard 19 centuries ago
from the Edomite
Jews in Palestine!)

THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE proves beyond doubt that modern Jews are not Biblical
Israelites. Every church member in America should insist that his Pastor
investigate these
claims. Are our Jewish politicians, publishers, movie makers, and opinion
molders God's
"Chosen People"? Or are they Mongol and Hun infiltrators of Christendom?

Is The Jewish "Chosen People" Masquerade Finally Over?

Shortly after World War I, Henry Ford, founder of the Ford Motor Company,
assembled a
staff of experts in Detroit to conduct research on the European Jews who
had been entering
America in large numbers since the 1880's. Ford provided the staff with
several million dollars
for this research, and in 1923 he published the results in a four-volume
work titled "THE
INTERNATIONAL JEW."

It was Henry Ford's conclusion that very few of these people who called
themselves "Jews"
were descendants of the Bible Israelites. Ford further proved that these
Jews, using all sorts
of crimes while under the cloak of being the Chosen People of the Bible,
were rapidly taking
economic and political control of America.

In the religious field, Ford claimed THE JEWS HAD SECRETLY GAINED CONTROL
OF MOST PROTESTANT SEMINARIES AND CHRISTIAN BOOK-PUBLISHING
HOUSES and had been able to remove almost all criticism of Jews from
Christian literature.

In summing up his findings, Henry Ford stated, "The Jews are not the Chosen
People, though
practically the entire Church has succumbed to the propaganda which
declares them to be
so."

Ford's book caused a furor for a few years but soon disappeared from
colleges, universities,
and public libraries and became unobtainable at any price. The Churches
continued to teach
"The Jews are God's Chosen People, Israel," and the (by then)
Jewish-dominated news
media began to refer to Jews always as Israelites.

Anyone opposing the increasing Jewish control of the nations was
immediately branded
"anti-Semitic;" and Jewish dominated Seminaries taught new ministers to
quote Genesis
12:1-3 and sternly warn their flocks that anyone speaking unfavorably of
the Jews would be
"cursed by God." Jewish control of American society, politics, and
religions continued to
increase.

"Fear them not therefore; for there is nothing covered that shall not be
revealed: and hid, that
shall not be known. What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light:
and what ye hear in the
ear, that preach ye upon the housetops." (Jesus, in Matthew 10:26,27).

Buy it for yourselves and find yourself putting aside all the fallacies you
once believed in.

"All truth passes through three stages. First,
it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
---Schopenhauer

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Douglas Reed
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:25:18 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=874
> In a message dated 9/6/99 4:06:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
philnancy@aol.com
> writes:
>
> << You are not a Christian, but a fake Christian who gets his
information
>  from liars and antisemites. Unlike you, Jews are not haters or
racists.
>  My sources are mainstream and truthful, the kind that ignore you and
>  yours as the lunatic fringe you are!
>   >>
>
>

> Michael Snead wrote:
> Phil, honey ,why are you so upset?

Honey?  Watch out some of your allies may get concerned about you!

 Whether you believe that I am a Christian
> or not matters very little to me. But to tell me that Jews are not
haters or
> racists I will hand this to you...YOU ARE A LIAR.

Why are you so upset Snead? Anyone with an IQ over 75 would simple know
that to assert a particular moral failing to an entire group of people
of a given race or ethnicity is ipso facto idiotic. Apparently this
does not include you.

 Your main stream sources
> are as bigoted towards Christians as you are.

No they are not, and you are not a Christian, but some aberrant strain.

 >If I am Lying why does it upset
> you so?

Lies shouldn't upset? What a curious view for a supposed Christian!

>I will answer that.... because you know that the chains of bondage on
> the knowledge of the American people are about to be loosed and
Holohoax
> Deniers such as your self will have to recant.

Oh, please, fools like you have been saying that for years. It's merely
an attempt to keep your own spirits up. Once people decided to stop
ignoring you and instead refute you lies, your efforts were doomed.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Phony Holohoax Numbers II
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:26:58 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=875
> In a message dated 9/6/99 4:27:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
philnancy@aol.com
> writes:
>
> << >  Again you display hostility not only toward a woman but the
truth
>  too...are
>  > you Gay? Don't lie now.
>
>  Her sex has nothing to do with it. She, like you, are liars as
>  demonstrated. Look to thy wife Snead!
>
>
>  >  >>
>
>
> Unlike you Philip, I do look to my wife. So you are Gay Huh?

Perhaps when you get a chance you can explain that leap of logic. After
all, you're the one who uses endearments!

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Jewish Insecurity
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 14:28:07 -0400
From: jsavage 
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

Hi All!

philnancy@aol.com wrote:
>
> Savage wrote:
>
> philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=830
> > philnancy@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Snead wrote:
> > >
> > > philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> > > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=806
> > >
> > > > The vile hatred that the Jew will have when you expose their hate,
> > > lies and
> > > > their beliefs. Their Holy Talmud is full of prejudices against the
> > > non Jew
> > > > and even goes as far as to call them racial names.
>
> The vile hatred comes from pretend Christian such as yourself. What you
> say about the Talmud is a lie, one demonstrated over and over again.

js
you are losing it Phil....this makes about the third time you
have answered this same response....and btw...I didn't write it!

As far as what is said about the talmud...it is VERY EASY
to research on your own...Go to a MAJOR library and put the
Soncino Press editions next to the Steinsaltz (made for
whitey) editions...Unless you are blind you can see the
differences with your own eyes....although I am sure that it
is hard for a plagerizer such as yourself to do their own
research...even such a simple task as this...


> > >
> > > Poor Snead is angry because his posts on the Talmud have been
> exposed
> > > as lies, part of his mindless campaign of hatred against Jews.
> Notice
> > > he makes no attempt to defend his exposed lies, that's because he
> knows
> > > nothing of the Talmud, he merely posted lies he found on some
> website
> > > because they said bad things about Jews.
> > >
> > >  The old trick of the Jew
> > > > is when you expose them, they want to label you as anti-Semitic.
>
> A Jew hater is an antisemite. As are you for telling lies about the
> Talmud. You do that because you wish others to hate Jews as you do. For
> that you will one day answer to Him.
>
js
Didn't make this response either....Seems you have gone
ballistic since you were accused of being queer...I
have noticed you are even responding to your own responses
in places...

> > >
> > > The old trick is to post the truth in response to the lies of
> > > antisemites. As you can see when that is done they don't discuss the
> > > Talmud, they run and hope not to have anymore of their ignorance
> > > exposed.
> > >
> > >  >Then when
> > > > you don't let that phase you they will denounce your intelligence.
>
> There doesn seem to be a high correlation between low intelligence and
> idiotic belief. Less so with racism and antisemitism, but still
> substantial.
>

js
Another one that I didn't make....anybody have any idea as to
what "doesn" means....

> > > They
> > > > accuse you of being a liar. Ask asinine questions. Use your
> remarks
> > > to twist
> > > > and turn to their advantage. Refuse to ask the simple questions
> that
> > > you ask.
>
> They accuse you of being what you are. It is your kind who twist facts
> and remarks to suit your purposes. When this is pointed out, the
> frustration usually results in posts such as this.
>

js
Didn't make this one either!...but I will respond to YOUR
answer....by asking you how these two facts are twisted??

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the
Christ? HE IS AN ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH THE FATHER
AND THE SON". (1John 2:22)

"WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE
FATHER: (1John 2:23a)

> > >
> > > None of this was done of course. Snead posted a collection of well
> > > known canards about the Talmud. I demolished them, and his only
> > > response is the above. Clearly he doesn't have the strength of his
> > > convictions or he would respond to the Talmud rebuttals. But we know
> > > why he can't, don't we!
> > >
> >
> > "I demolished them"???....appears to me you plagerized
> > another persons webpage and are now claiming the credit!
>
> I don't mean to say I wrote them.

js
You didn't!...What did you mean?....where is your documentation?
When one cuts and pastes it is VERY easy to include the source!
....and when one is caught it is easy to say " I don't mean to
say I wrote them."....are we led to believe that when you cut
and paste this article that you run out of memory on your clip
board and didn't have space to include the credits!

> >
> > Around here we call it...LIAR! LIAR!...pants on fire!
>
> A state you are well acquainted with.
>

Yes!....very much so...When one deals with frauds such as you
it is self evident...

> >
> > Here is one of your statements from another post....
> >
> > "Nonsense. It is you who parrot antisemitic crap from know nothing
> > authors and websites and pretend its learning."
> >
> > you should practice what you preach...
>
> I do. What I posted rebuts the lies and you are unable to respond.
>

js
OH!...I see...it is okay for YOU to parrot antiShemetic "crap from know
nothing authors and websites and pretend its learning."

Nonetheless I responded....Even gave the source of your rebuttal...the
Steinsaltz (made for whitey) edition of the talmud....

Go back to the webpage you so blatantly plagerized and go through his
impostures...

Make special notice of the ones he is "working on an answer"....

Do you know why he is working on an answer?....Do you think that
after 1500 years that this deceiver is the only one capable of
producing an answer?....He WILL NOT be able to answer them until
that volume of the Steinsaltz (made for whitey) edition is released!

Then it will be just a simple cut and paste job and he will have an
answer....DECEIVERS all work the same way...

Your plagerized claims are a sham!

> >
> > And here is another of your statements....
> >
> > "And I don't attempt to use scripture to support by views,
> > there is too much of that by people who feel the need to
> > buttress hateful views with the cloak of the Lord. "
> >
> > Your credability is sinking faster the the fecus of a whale!
>
> Based on what. I've not used scripture to support my views. Do you have
> trouble reading?
>

js
Not in the least!....But I know you do....the impostures you
plagerized contained Scripture??!....Therefore YOU HAVE used
Scriptures to support your views...

> >
> > And as far as you "destroying" any thing....it is just
> > a figment of your imagination....the source of the material
> > that you plagerized is from the Steinsaltz (made for whitey)
> > Edition of the talmud (a real bogus piece of material)....
>
> Unsupported allegation, as usual.
>

js
Do you see the words "the source of the material you
plagerized" ??   YES/NO

Do you see the words "is from the" ??    YES/NO

Do you see the words "Steinsaltz (made for whitey)
Edition of the talmud"?....     YES/NO

> >
> > You need to confess Jesus Christ as the Son of God
> > and be baptized for the remission of sins!....
>
> You need to worry about your own soul.

js
That is self interest...besides you have no idea of the
Biblical definition of a soul!

"And YHWH God formed man of the dust of the ground, and
breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man
BECAME A LIVING SOUL". (Genesis 2:7)

> You are the worst kind of
> sinner, a hater who hates in the name of the Lord. He will hold you to
> account and you will answer for it.

js
There you go again....making another JUDGMENT!....This is the
same action that you claim others DO NOT have the right to do!...

Aren't we pious!...

"For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess
not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a
deceiver and an antichrist". 2John 7

JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD IN THE FLESH!!!

JESUS CHRIST IS MY LAW GIVER!...JESUS CHRIST IS MY JUDGE!

JESUS CHRIST IS MY KING!...JESUS CHRIST IS MY GOD!!!

Is he yours?

js
--
Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite
a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew".

                                       The 1980 Jewish Almanac

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Historians and Holocaust Denial
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:29:04 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=877
> In a message dated 9/6/99 7:17:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
philnancy@aol.com
> writes:
>
> << Nonsense, don't quote scripture to defend the indefensible. Jews
are a
>  tiny minority of the people throughtout the world who do not accept
the
>  Christian God, and yet you focus on them. The reason is not
religious,
>  or you would feel the same about other non-Christians. You just hate
>  Jews and you will one day answer to the Lord for that and for using
his
>  words to justify it. The judgment is the Lord's to make, not yours.
>
>   >>
>
>
> And on that glorious day we that are called by his name will
hear,"well done
> my good and faithful servant" on the other hand you will hear"DEPART
FROM ME
> YOU WORKERS OF INIQUITY I NEVER KNEW YOU!"

You're hallucinating! He will condemn you for hating in his name.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Jewish Insecurity
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:52:28 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
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Savage wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=884
> Hi All!
>
>
> philnancy@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Savage wrote:
> >
> > philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=830
> > > philnancy@aol.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Snead wrote:
> > > >
> > > > philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> > > > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=806
> > > >
> > > > > The vile hatred that the Jew will have when you expose their
hate,
> > > > lies and
> > > > > their beliefs. Their Holy Talmud is full of prejudices
against the
> > > > non Jew
> > > > > and even goes as far as to call them racial names.
> >
> > The vile hatred comes from pretend Christian such as yourself. What
you
> > say about the Talmud is a lie, one demonstrated over and over again.
>
> js
> you are losing it Phil....this makes about the third time you
> have answered this same response....and btw...I didn't write it!

You are confused.

>
> As far as what is said about the talmud...it is VERY EASY
> to research on your own...Go to a MAJOR library and put the
> Soncino Press editions next to the Steinsaltz (made for
> whitey) editions...Unless you are blind you can see the
> differences with your own eyes....although I am sure that it
> is hard for a plagerizer such as yourself to do their own
> research...even such a simple task as this...
>

I'm not a plagiarist and your assertions about the Talmud version is
another distortion. Other than that, do you have anything else to
offer, liar and Jew hater?

>
> > > >
> > > > Poor Snead is angry because his posts on the Talmud have been
> > exposed
> > > > as lies, part of his mindless campaign of hatred against Jews.
> > Notice
> > > > he makes no attempt to defend his exposed lies, that's because
he
> > knows
> > > > nothing of the Talmud, he merely posted lies he found on some
> > website
> > > > because they said bad things about Jews.
> > > >
> > > >  The old trick of the Jew
> > > > > is when you expose them, they want to label you as
anti-Semitic.
> >
> > A Jew hater is an antisemite. As are you for telling lies about the
> > Talmud. You do that because you wish others to hate Jews as you do.
For
> > that you will one day answer to Him.
> >
> js
> Didn't make this response either....Seems you have gone
> ballistic since you were accused of being queer...I
> have noticed you are even responding to your own responses
> in places...

Nice try.

>
>
> > > >
> > > > The old trick is to post the truth in response to the lies of
> > > > antisemites. As you can see when that is done they don't
discuss the
> > > > Talmud, they run and hope not to have anymore of their ignorance
> > > > exposed.
> > > >
> > > >  >Then when
> > > > > you don't let that phase you they will denounce your
intelligence.
> >
> > There doesn seem to be a high correlation between low intelligence
and
> > idiotic belief. Less so with racism and antisemitism, but still
> > substantial.
> >
>
> js
> Another one that I didn't make....anybody have any idea as to
> what "doesn" means.

Fits you to a tee!

...
>
>
>
> > > > They
> > > > > accuse you of being a liar. Ask asinine questions. Use your
> > remarks
> > > > to twist
> > > > > and turn to their advantage. Refuse to ask the simple
questions
> > that
> > > > you ask.
> >
> > They accuse you of being what you are. It is your kind who twist
facts
> > and remarks to suit your purposes. When this is pointed out, the
> > frustration usually results in posts such as this.
> >
>
> js
> Didn't make this one either!...but I will respond to YOUR
> answer....by asking you how these two facts are twisted??

Try reading it again.

>
> Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the
> Christ? HE IS AN ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH THE FATHER
> AND THE SON". (1John 2:22)
>
> "WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE
> FATHER: (1John 2:23a)
>
> > > >
> > > > None of this was done of course. Snead posted a collection of
well
> > > > known canards about the Talmud. I demolished them, and his only
> > > > response is the above. Clearly he doesn't have the strength of
his
> > > > convictions or he would respond to the Talmud rebuttals. But we
know
> > > > why he can't, don't we!
> > > >
> > >
> > > "I demolished them"???....appears to me you plagerized
> > > another persons webpage and are now claiming the credit!

Go back and look at the posts. They were too long for this BBS and the
bottoms with full attribution did not print. In any event, the
refutations were solid and not one so-called Christian, especially you
who never says much of anything, cared to reply. I wonder why that is
Savage?

> >
> > I don't mean to say I wrote them.
>
> js
> You didn't!...What did you mean?....where is your documentation?
> When one cuts and pastes it is VERY easy to include the source!

See response above.

> ....and when one is caught it is easy to say " I don't mean to
> say I wrote them."....are we led to believe that when you cut
> and paste this article that you run out of memory on your clip
> board and didn't have space to include the credits!

My clipboard had plenty of memory, this BBS would accept the full
length and I didn't realize until after you raised the point. But why
don't you respond?

>
>
>
> > >
> > > Around here we call it...LIAR! LIAR!...pants on fire!
> >
> > A state you are well acquainted with.
> >
>
> Yes!....very much so...When one deals with frauds such as you
> it is self evident...

The only thing self evident is your inability to defend your own lies,
probably because you know they're lies and your used to merely trading
them with others of your ilk.

>
>
>
> > >
> > > Here is one of your statements from another post....
> > >
> > > "Nonsense. It is you who parrot antisemitic crap from know nothing
> > > authors and websites and pretend its learning."
> > >
> > > you should practice what you preach...
> >
> > I do. What I posted rebuts the lies and you are unable to respond.
> >
>
> js
> OH!...I see...it is okay for YOU to parrot antiShemetic "crap from
know
> nothing authors and websites and pretend its learning."

Show it to be crap, as I did. Of course you can't. Your "philosophy" is
dependent on the thinking of others, such as it is, and the only thing
you're capable of is ranting and raving in your complete impotence.

>
> Nonetheless I responded....Even gave the source of your
rebuttal...the
> Steinsaltz (made for whitey) edition of the talmud....

You did not respond.

>
> Go back to the webpage you so blatantly plagerized and go through his
> impostures...

Why can't you go through them? Show us. Make an argument for a change.

>
> Make special notice of the ones he is "working on an answer"....

You and your would do well to be so thoughtful in your replies.

>
> Do you know why he is working on an answer?....Do you think that
> after 1500 years that this deceiver is the only one capable of
> producing an answer?..

You mean your lies about those questions have been around for 1500
years? Hehe.

..He WILL NOT be able to answer them until
> that volume of the Steinsaltz (made for whitey) edition is released!

Is this the only thing you know about the issue, or is there another?

>
> Then it will be just a simple cut and paste job and he will have an
> answer....DECEIVERS all work the same way...

You're the deceiver, and liar, and Jew hater. Unfortunately for you
your also not too bright and that leaves you rather defenseless.

>
> Your plagerized claims are a sham!

The claims are not a sham and you are as speechless as a coward in
their wake.
>
> > >
> > > And here is another of your statements....
> > >
> > > "And I don't attempt to use scripture to support by views,
> > > there is too much of that by people who feel the need to
> > > buttress hateful views with the cloak of the Lord. "
> > >
> > > Your credability is sinking faster the the fecus of a whale!
> >
> > Based on what. I've not used scripture to support my views. Do you
have
> > trouble reading?
> >
>
> js
> Not in the least!....But I know you do....the impostures you
> plagerized contained Scripture??

Boy, you really aren't very smart, are you. I didn't cite scripture to
support any view of mine. The discussion was about the meaning of the
Talmud, so the Talmud was discussed. That's about a fifth grade
distinction.

!....Therefore YOU HAVE used
> Scriptures to support your views...

False. What view of mine did I use Scripture to support?  Good luck
fool.

>

> > > And as far as you "destroying" any thing....it is just
> > > a figment of your imagination....the source of the material
> > > that you plagerized is from the Steinsaltz (made for whitey)
> > > Edition of the talmud (a real bogus piece of material)....
> >
> > Unsupported allegation, as usual.
> >
>
> js
> Do you see the words "the source of the material you
> plagerized" ??   YES/NO

Prove the made for whitey fool.

>
> Do you see the words "is from the" ??    YES/NO

Read all the words, fool.
>
> Do you see the words "Steinsaltz (made for whitey)
> Edition of the talmud"?....     YES/NO

Exactly fool, now prove it.
>
>
>
> > >
> > > You need to confess Jesus Christ as the Son of God
> > > and be baptized for the remission of sins!....
> >
> > You need to worry about your own soul.
>
> js
> That is self interest...besides you have no idea of the
> Biblical definition of a soul!

Hehehe.

>
> "And YHWH God formed man of the dust of the ground, and
> breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man
> BECAME A LIVING SOUL". (Genesis 2:7)

Look to saving your soul, sinner.

>
>
> > You are the worst kind of
> > sinner, a hater who hates in the name of the Lord. He will hold you
to
> > account and you will answer for it.
>
> js
> There you go again....making another JUDGMENT!....This is the
> same action that you claim others DO NOT have the right to do!...

Nope, another sign of your stupidity. We're talking about make
judgments about whole races or ethnic groups, not based on anyones
behavior, but merely because they belong to that group. I have no
trouble judging Hitler or you. You both happpen to be Jew haters.

>
> Aren't we pious!...
>
> "For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess
> not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a
> deceiver and an antichrist". 2John 7

For him to judge other religions who hold different religious views
from your. Of course your not really  concerned about the thought
expressed in this passage, you just hate Jews and this passage allows
you to malign them once again. That is what you will answer for .

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Descriptions of Gassing At Auschwitz
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:57:17 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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SS Unterscarfu"hrer Broad, Political Section (Gestapo) at KL Auschwitz:

"...There at the ramp the cattle vans were being unloaded and the people
who had arrived in them, were slowly march8ing towards their unknown
destination. All of them had large, yellow Jewish stars on their
miserable
clothes. Their worn faces showed that they had suffered many a hardship.
The majority were elderly people. From their conversation one could
gather
that up to their unexpected transportation hither they had been employed
in factories, that they were willing to go on working and to be useful
as
much as they could. A few guards without guns, but with pistols well
hidden in their pockets, escorted the procession to the crematorium. The
SS men promised the people, who were begining to feel more hopeful, that
they would be employed at suitable work, according to their occupations.
Explicit instructions as to thier behaviour were given the SS men by
Ho"ssler. Up till then the guards treated the new arrivals very roughly,
trying to 'keep them at arm's length' with blows, but their were no
uncivil words at that moment. The more fiendish the whole plan! Both
leaves of the big entrance gate to the crematorium were wide open.
Suspecting nothing the column marched in, in lines of five persons, and
stood in the yard. Somewhat nerviously the SS guard at the entrance
waited
for the last man to enter the yard. Quickly he shut the gate and bolted
it. Grabner and Ho"ssler were standing on the rof of the crematorium.
Grabner spoke to the Jews who unsuspectingly awaited their fate.

"'You will now bathe and be disinfeted, we don't wan't any epidemics in
the camp. Then you will be brought to your barracks, and get some hot
soup. You wil be employed in accordance with your professional
qualifications. Now undress and put your clothes in front of yoiu on the
ground.'

"They willingy followed those instructions, given them in a friendly,
warm-hearted voice. Some looked forward to the soup, others were glad
that
that their nerve-wracking uncertainty as to their immediate future was
over and that their worst expectations were not realized. All felt
relieved after theiur days full of anxiety. Grabner and Ho"ssler
continued
from the roof to give freindly advice which had a calming effect upon
the
people. 'Put your shoes close to your clothes bundle, so that you can
find
them after the bath'. - "Is the water warm? Of course, warm showers. -
What is your trade? A shoemaker? We need them urgently, report to me
immediately after!'  - Such words dispelled last doubts or lingering
suspicions. The first lines entered the morturary thrugh the hall.
Everything was extremely tidy. But the specific smell made some of them
uneasy. They looked in vain for showers or water pipes fixed to the
ceiling. The hall meanwhile was getting packed. Several SS men had
entered
with them, full of jokes and small talk. They inobtrusuvely kept their
eyes on the entrance. As soon as the last person had entered, they
dissapeared without much ado. Suddenly the door was closed. It had been
made tight with rubber and secured with iron fittings. Those inside
heard
the heavy bolts being secured. They were screwed with screws, making the
door airtight. A deadly, paralysing terror spread aong the victims. They
started to beat upon the door, in helpless rage and despair they
hammered
with their fists upon it. Derisive laughter was the only reply. Somebody
shouted through the door, 'Don't get burn't, while you tke your bath!' -
Several victims noticed that the covers had been removed from the six
holes in the ceiling. They uttered a loud cry of terror when they saw a
head in a gas-mask in one opening. The 'disinfectors' were at work. One
of
them was SS _Unterscarfu"hrer_ Teur, decorted with the Cross of War
Merit.
With a chisel and a hammer they opened a few inncously looking tins
which
bore the inscription 'Cyclon, to be used against vermin. Attention,
poison! To be opened by trained personnel only!' The tins were filled to
the brim with blue granules the size of peas. Immediately after opening
the tins, their contents was thrown into the holes which were then
quickly
covered...." (Czech, _KL Auschwitz_, pp.175-176.)

SS Obersturmbannfu"hrer Ho"ss, 1st Kommandant of KL Auschwitz:

"In the spring of 1942 [January] the first transports of Jews arrived
from
Upper Silesia. All of them were to be exterminated. They were led from
the
ramp across the meadow, later named section B-II of Birkenau, to the
farmhouse called Bunker I. [Camp Commander] Aumeier, Palitzch, and a few
other block leaders led them and spoke to them as one would in casual
conversation, asking them about their occupations and their schooling in
order to fool them. After arriving at the farm house they were told to
undress. AT first they went very quietly into the rooms where they were
suposed to be disinfected. At that point some of them became suspicious
and started talking about suffocation and extermination. Immediately a
panic started. Those stil standing outside were quickly driven into the
chambers, and the doors were bolted shut. In the next transport those
who
were nervous or upset were identifed and watched closely at all times.
As
soon as unrest was noticed these troublemakers were inconspiciously led
behind the farmhouse and killed with a small-caliber pistol, which could
not be heard by the others. The presence of the Sonderkommando and their
soothing behavior also helped calm the restless and suspicious. Some of
the SOnderkommando even went with them into the rooms and stayed until
the
last moment to keep them calm while an SS soldier stood in the doorway.
The most important thing, of course, was to maintain as mucg peace and
quitr as possible during the process of arriving and undressing. If some
did not want to undress, some of those already undressed as well as the
Sonderkommando had to help them undress.

"With quite talk and persuasion even those who resisted were soothed and
udressed. The Sonderkommando, which was composed of prisoners, took
great
pains that the process of undressing took place very quickly so that the
victims had no time to think about what was happening. Actually the
eager
assistance of the Sonderkommando during the undressing and the processin
into the gas chambers was very peculiar. Never did I see or hear even a
syllable breathed to those who were going to be gassed as to what their
fate was. On the contrary, they tried everything to fool them. Most of
all, they tried to calm those who seeed to guess what was ahead/ Even
though they might not believe the SS soldiers, they would have complete
trust in those of their own race. For this reon the SOnderkommando was
always composed of Jews from the same country as those who were being
sent
to the gas chambers." (Ho"ss, _Death Dealer_, pp. 157-158.)

Prisoner Doctor, and Auschwitz survivor, Miklos Nyiszli :

"...Five abreast the group entered the courtyard; it was the moment
about
which the outside world knew nothing, for anyone who might have known
something about it, after having treaveled the path of his destiny- the
300 yards seperating that spot from the ramp -had never returned to tell
the tale. It was one of the crematoriums which awaited those who had
been
selected for the left-hand column. And not, as the German lie had made
the
right-hand column suppose in order to allay their anxiety, a camp for
the
sick and children, where the infirm cared for the little ones.

"They advanced with slow weary steps. The children's eyes were heavy
with
sleep and they clung to their mothers' clothes. For the most part the
babies were carried in their fathers' arms, or else wheeled in their
carriages. The SS guards remained before the crematorium doors, where a
poster announced: 'Entrance is Strictly Forbidden to All Who Have No
Business Here, Inclusing SS.'

"The deportees were quick to notice the water faucets, used for
sprinkling
the grass, that were arranged about the courtyard. They began to take
pots
and pans from their luggage, and broke ranks, pushing and shoving in an
effort to get near the faucets and fill their containers. That they were
impatient was not astonishing: for the past five days they had had
nothing
to drink. If ever they had found a little water, it had been stagnant
and
had not quenched their thirst. The SS guards who recieved the convoys
were
used to the scene. They waited patiently till each had quenched his
thirst
and filled his container. IN any case, the guards knew that as long as
they not drunk their would be no getting them back in line. Slowly they
began to re-form their ranks. Then they advanced for about 100 yards
along
a cinder path edged with green grass to an iron ramp, from which 10 or
12
concrete steps led underground to an enourmus room dominated by a large
sign in German, French, Greek and Hungarian: 'Bath and Disinfecting
Room.'
The sign was reassuring, and allayed the misgivings of fears of even the
most suspicious among them. They went down the stairs almost gaily.

"The room in which the convoy proceeeded was about 200 yards long: its
walls were whitewashed and it was brightly lit. In the middle of the
room,
rows of columns. Around the columns, as well as along the walls,
benches.
Above the benches, numbered coat hangers. Numerous signs in several
languages drew everyoe's attention to the necessity of tying his clothes
and shoes together. Especially that he not forget the number of his coat
hanger, in order to avoid all the useless confusion upon his return from
the bath.

"'That's really a German order,' commented those who had long been
inclined to admire the Germans.

"They were rihgt. As a matter of fact, it _was_ for the sake of order
that
these measures had been taken, so that thousands of pairs of good shoes
sorely needed by the THird Reich would not get mixed up. The same fotr
the
clothes, so that the population f bombed cities could easily make use of
them.

"There were 3,000 people in the room: men, women and children. SOme of
the
soldiers arrived and announced that everyone must be completely
undressed
within ten minutes. The aged, grandfathers and grandmothers, the
children,
wives and husbands and girls looked at each other questioningly. Perhaps
they had not exactly understood the German words. They did not have long
to think about it, however, for the order resounded again, this time in
a
louder, more menacing tone. They were uneasy; their dignity rebelled;
but,
with resignation peculiar to their race, having learnt that anything
went
as far as they were concerned, they slowly began to undress. The aged,
the
paralyzed, the mad were helped by a Sonderkommando squad sent for that
purpose. In ten minutes all were completely naked, their clothes hung on
the pegs, their shoes attached together by their laces. As for the
number
of each clothes hanger, it had been carefully noted.

"Making his way through the crowd, an SS opend the swig-doors of the
large
oaken gate at the end of the room. The crowd flowed through into another
equally well-lighted room. The second room ws the same size as the
first,
but neither benches nor pegs were to be seen. In the center of the room,
at thirty-yard intervals, columns rose from the concrete floor to the
ceiling. They were not supporting columns, but square sheet-iron pipes
the
sides which contained numerous perforations, like a wire lattice.

"Everuone was inside. A horse comand rang out: 'SS and Sonderkommando
leave the room." They obeyed and counted off. The door swung shut and
fromn without the lights were switched off.... (Nyiszli, _Auschwitz_,
pp.48-51.)

Filip Mu"ller, Sonderkommando and Auschwitz survivor:

"Before each gassing operation the SS took stern precuations. The
crematorium was ringed with SS men. Many SS men patrolled the court with
dogs and machine guns. To the right were the steps that led underground
to
the 'undressing room." In Birkenau there were four crematoriums,
Crematoriums 2, 3, and 4 and 5. Crematorium 2 was similar to 3. In 2
and 3
the 'undressing room' and the gas chamber were underground. A large
'undressing room' of about three thousand square feet, and a large gas
chamber where one could gas up to three thousand people at a time.
Crematoriums 4 and 5 were of a different types in that they weren't
located underground. Everyhting was at ground level. IN 4 and 5 there
were
three gas chabers, with a total capacity of at most eighteen hundred to
two thousand people  at a time.

As people rached the crematoriums, they saw everything- this horribly
violent scene. The whole area was ringed with SS. Dogs barked. Machine
guns. They all, mainly POlish Jews, had misgivings. They knew something
was seriously amiss, but none of them had the faintest of notions that
in
three to four hours they'd be reduced to ashes.

"When they reached the 'undressing room,' they saw that it looked like
an
Internatinal Information Center! On the walls were hooks, and each hook
had a number. Beneath the hooks were wooden bences. Sp people could
undress 'more comfortably,' it said. And on the numerous pillars that
held
up this undrground 'undressing room,' there were signs with slogans in
several languages" 'Cleam is good!' 'Lice ca kill!' 'Wash yourself!' 'To
the disinfection area.' All those signs were only there to lure people
into the gas chambers already undressed. And to the left, at a right
angle, was the gas chamber with its massive door.

"In Crematoriums 2 and 3, Zyklon gas crystals were poured in by a
so-called SS disinfection squad through the ceiling, and in
Crematoriums 4
and 5 through side openings. With five or six cannisters of gas they
could
kill around two thousand people. This so-called disinfection squad
arrived
in a truck marked with a red cross and escorted people along to make
them
believe they were being led to take a bath. But the red cross was only a
mask to hide the cnnisters of Zyklon gas and the hammers to open them.
The
gas took about ten to fifteen minutes to kill. The most horrible thing
was
when the doors of the gas chambers were opened- th unbearable sight:
people were packed together like basalt, like blocks of stone. How they
tumbled out of the gas chamber! I saw that several times. That was the
toughest thing to take. You could never get used to that. It was
impossibel."

"...It was pointless to tell the truth to anyone who crossed the
threshold
of the crematorium. You couldn't save anyone there It was impossible to
save people. One day in 1943 when I was already in Crematorium 5, a
train
from Bialystok arrived. A prisoner on the 'special detail' saw a women
in
the 'undressing room' who was the wife of a friend of his. He came right
out and told her: 'You are going to be exterminated. In three hours
you'll
be ashes.' The women believed him because she knew him. She ran all over
and warned the other women. 'We're going to be killed. We're going to be
gassed.' Mothers carrying their children on their shoulders didn't want
to
hear that. They decided the womam was crazy. They chased her away. So
she
went to the men . TO no avail. Not that they didn't believe her; they
heard rumors in the Bialystok ghetto, or in Grodno, and elsewhere. But
who
wanted to hear that! Whe she saw that no one would listen, she scratched
her whole face. Out of despair. In shock. And she started to scream.

"So what happened? Everyone was gassed. The woman was held back. We had
to
line up in front of the ovens. First they tortured her horribly because
she wouldn't btray him. IN the end she pointed to him. He was taken out
of
line and thrown aive into the oven. We were told: 'Whoever tells
anything
will end like that.'

"We in the special detail kept trying to figure out if there was a way
we
could tell people, to inform them. But out experiance in several
instances
where we were able to tell people, showed that it was no use, that it
made
their last moments even harder to bear. At most, we thought it might
help
Jews from Poland, or Jews from Theresienstadt (the Czech family camp),
who'd already spent six months in Birkenau. We thought it might have
been
of use in such cases to tell such people. But imagine what it was like
in
other cases: Jes from Greece, from Hungary, from Corfu, who'd been
traveling for ten ot twelve days, starving, without water for days,
dying
of thirst, they were half crazed whe tey arrived. Tey were dealt with
differently. They were only told: 'Get undressed, you'll soon get a mug
of
tea.' These peole were in such a state, because they'd been traveling so
long, that their only though was to quench their thirst. And the SS
executiners knew that very well. It was all preprogrammed, a calculated
part of the extermination process, that if people were so weak, and
weren't given somethiung to drink, they'd rush into the gas chambers.
But
in fact, these people were already being exterminated before reaching
the
gas chambers. Think of the children. They begged their mothers,
screaming:
'Mother, please, water, water!' The adults too, who'd spent days without
water, had the same obsession. Informing those people was quite
pointless.
(Lanzmann, _Shoah_, pp.113-117.)

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Jews sucking the Life blood out of many nations..
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 13:01:27 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=880
> The follow is an article that Willie Martin wrote that I felt the
necessity
> to share with all of you at this point. Some of the parts of the
Talmud are
> repeated from what I posted but I didn't want to change what he has
worked so
> hard to write.
> Michael Snead
> 14/88
>
>
>
>     For over 1700 years, the Jews have bewailed their sad fate in
that they
> have been exiled from their homeland, as they call Palestine. But
gentlemen,
> did the world give it to them in fee simple, they would at once find
some
> reason for not returning.  Why? Because they are vampires and
vampires do not
> live on vampires. They cannot live among themselves. They must
subsist off
> Christians and other peoples not of their race.
>
>     If we do not exclude them from these United States in the
Constitution,
> in less than 200 years they will have swarmed here in such numbers
that they
> will dominate and devour the land, and change our form of government
for
> which we Americans have shed our blood, given our lives, our
substance and
> jeopardized our liberty!
>
>     Jews, gentlemen, are Asiatics, let them be born where they will,
no
> matter how many generations they are away from Asia, they will never
be
> otherwise. Their ideas do not conform to an American's and will not,
even
> though they live among us for ten generations. A leopard cannot
change his
> spots. Jews are Asiatics and are a menace if permitted entrance, and
should
> be excluded by this Constitutional Convention.
>
>     For many years, this speech was found among the diaries of
Charles
> Cotesworth Pickney, of South Carolina, who attended the
Constitutional
> Convention as a delegate. Then mysteriously, it disappeared from the
> Philadelphia City Museum in the 1930's and all references to it were
> withdrawn. Immediately, the Jewish leaders in America gleefully
pounced on
> this as proof that the "Franklin prophecy" was a forgery, just as
they said
> the same for The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. The
Communist Rules
> for Bringing About a Revolution, and The Communist Textbook on
> Psychopolitics. (I have this latter book available for $2.50 pp.)
>

Mr. Martin peddles a often debunked canard reqarding the non-existent
Pickney Diaries. In a book called _They Never Said It_ authors Boller
and George say on page 27.:

Boller and George's fine book, _They
Never Said It_. The Franklin quote is a forgery.  I quote from
page 27:

"The Franklin quote apparently first turned up on February 3, 1934
in William Dudley Pelley's pro-Nazi sheet, _Liberation_, published
in Asheville, North Carolina.  According to Pelley, it was taken
>from  notes made by Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, delegate to the
Constitutional Convention from South Carolina... But there is
no Pinckney diary, and historian Charles Beard, after a thorough
investigation... concluded: "This alleged `Prophecy' ascribed to
Franklin is a crude forgery.. . There is in our historical
records no evidence whatever of any basis for the falsehood."

It is telling that Martin and his cohorts must resort to fake documents
such as this and the Protocols to support their hate filled efforts to
malign Jews.  The idea that someone of Franklin's intelligence and
worldview would support their vile antisemitism is laughable.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Identity: A 'Christian' Religion for White Racists
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 13:36:53 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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 Identity: A 'Christian' Religion for White Racists

["Identity: A 'Christian' Religion for White Racists" (an article from
the Christian Research Journal, Fall 1992, page 20) by Viola Larson. The
Editor-in-Chief of the Christian Research Journal is Elliot Miller. ]

                            SUMMARY

"Christian Identity" is the name of a religious movement uniting
many of the white supremacist groups in the United States. Identity's
teachers promote racism and sometimes violence.  Their roots are deeply
embedded in movements such as the Ku Klux Klan and the Nazis. They
consider themselves true Israel and view the Jews as half-devils
and arch enemies. They believe all but the white race are inferior
creations. Identity's religious views are bizarre and occultic, and
their view of history is often informed by conspiracy theories.
Identity's use of the name "Christian" to promote racism and
violence is blasphemous. Jesus Christ as redeemer of all races is
God's supreme answer to Identity's outrageous claims.

The headline read "Separatist Surrenders in Idaho." The story was
about Randy Weaver, a man indicted for selling two sawed-off
shotguns to undercover federal agents. During the FBI's attempt
to force Weaver to leave his Idaho home and return to court, three
people were killed: a federal agent and Weaver's wife and son. When
the standoff was over, 15 handguns, shotguns, and rifles were collected
from his cabin.[1] Randy Weaver is a member of a religious movement
called "Christian Identity." This "Christian" wing of the larger
white supremacist movement is composed of adherents who variously
give allegiance to the burning cross of the Ku Klux Klan and the
sun sign -- the twisted swastika -- of the Neo-Nazis.

The movement, also called "Israel Identity," has become the uniting
force among many white supremacist groups.  Included in most religious
teaching produced by its leaders are racist statements that echo
the statements of other white supremacists. The most moderate groups
publish hate literature; the more radical groups turn to violence,
including murder. Among those attracted to Identity in recent years
are racist and violent young "skinheads" -- some of whom were a part
of the crowd of three hundred people who chanted racial slurs
at federal marshals attempting to capture Weaver.

Although Identity groups are small in number and diverse, their
penchant for social agitation attracts widespread media attention.
The recent discovery that racist groups in the United States
are supplying both literature and organizational help to racist
groups in Germany is of concern to the whole Western world. One
article by the Associated Press states that "violent acts perpetrated
by far-right German extremists rose from 270 in 1990 to 1,483 last
year, mostly attacks on foreigners."[2] The article goes on to
say that "police investigating KKK activities in Germany raided
some 30 buildings in May."[3]

Not understanding the violent and racist nature of Identity,
Christians sometimes connect with this movement because of Identity's
espousal of issues such as right-to-life and anti-Communism. Because of
this vulnerability it is important for Christians to know and
understand Identity's false and racist teachings. For the sake of
non-Christians, it is also important for Christians to differentiate
between biblical
Christianity and Identity. Finally, it is the moral duty of Christians
to stand against the evil intent of this form of white supremacist
teaching. It is to further each of these three purposes that this
article has been written.

                                  THE JEW AS THE GREAT ENEMY

Identity adherents believe they are the only descendants of Adam and
the only chosen descendants of Abraham. This is the reason for the name
Identity -- they are convinced they know their true identity. They
believe they are members of the supposed ten lost tribes of Israel.
Identity adherents
of today would include the British, Germanic, and Scandinavian peoples
as those comprising the tribes of lost Israel. On the other hand, the
Jew has for them
become the great enemy. This insistence on singling out Jewish people
as the enemy of the white race is the Identity movement's most clear
link to Adolf Hitler and his Nazi ideas. The more extreme groups
believe in what is referred to as the "serpent seed" teaching that Eve
and Satan had sexual
intercourse and produced Cain, starting a line of half-devil people.
For many Identity groups this imagined half-devil line of Cain is the
Jewish race.

Pastor Arnold Murray, an Identity preacher from Gravette, Arkansas,
calls them "Kenites" (an Old Testament people he identifies as
"Cainites") and believes they were associated with Judah until they
took over leadership of
that tribe. These "Jews" were the people who killed Christ. Pastor
Murray teaches that calling the Jews the chosen people of God is the
gravest of sins. He says, "Bless your heart if you have ever been
deceived by the Kenite, and I
am speaking now on the spiritual level, if you have ever really
believed that group was the chosen of God you were deceived by Satan.
Repent of that even more so than your personal sins in the personal
sense."[4]

Some other Identity teachers believe the Jews are children of Satan
only in a figurative sense. But this really does not change their
attitude toward Jewish people -- their statements about the Jews still
reflect a deep hatred. One writes about the Jew: "We know that as a
race, they have the sly
characteristics of the serpent...We know they have intimidated and
imposed their will on our own government and every government in the
nations of Christendom, through their dominance of finance, government,
church, education, and the media."[5] In this scenario, a political
position begins to emerge: the Jews are placed in a position of
conspirators with Satan to take dominion over the world. In an awful
reversal of their biblical role, the true Jewish
people are now cast as the archenemy of God and humanity. Claiming the
sacred history and the sacred Book for themselves, Identity teachers
remove all that is a part of the Jew's humanity.

                            RACISM: THE BASIS OF IDENTITY TEACHING

Racial bigotry extends far beyond the Jews in Identity teaching. Since
the white race alone has descended from Adam, the other races are
viewed as a prior creation. They insist that Genesis 1:24, which
describes the creation of
animals and is prior to the creation of Adam, includes a description
of all nonwhite races. In that list of created beings -- "cattle and
creeping things and beasts of the earth" -- they single out the word
beast as a description of other races. This of course means they
believe the other races are inferior. All Identity teachers refer to
the word beast to explain how other races escaped the flood; they were
included among the creatures that Noah and his sons rounded up for the
ark.

Because Identity teachers hold that the other races are of a different
creation, they consider interracial marriage a sin. Identity teachers
insist that interracial marriage was the cause of God's judgment on the
people of Noah's time. Consistent with this twisted view of Scripture,
they believe that to marry someone of another race is treason to one's
own race. Pastor Pete Peters of La Porte, Colorado informs us that he
teaches his children to never marry a person of another race. He adds:
"I teach them also that if they ever did such a thing -- never to come
around my house with their mate or their half-breed children because
they've been traitors to their own sires."[6] Some teachers -- such as
Richard Butler and his Aryan Nations, and Dan Gayman and his Church of
Israel -- see the black race as aliens and cohorts with Satan, and all
other races as creatures who, like animals, have no spirits. In the
fantasy world of extreme Identity, when Lucifer rebels he uses
spacecraft and fights battles against God with the help of beings from
other planets. The alien beings are forced to earth according to one
tape: "For the fleet...came to earth like crumpled birds and...some
survived and...some were wiped out....the dark and curly-headed ones
never before seen upon the earth,
the coming of the Negroid race."[7]

Although Arnold Murray affirms that all the other races are good, he
offers the public, without apology, the book Tracing Our Ancestors by
Frederick Haberman. Haberman writes: "It must be noticed that there is
a great difference between the three principal races of mankind...and
there exists little relationship between the three. The white race were
unquestionably the last comers, being in every way superior to the
other two and constituting their
leaders and teachers."[8] Pastor Murray also teaches that even among
Christians the different races should have no fellowship.[9] All
Identity groups certainly see the white race ruling over the other
races.

                                   IDENTITY'S RACIST HISTORY

                                    Racism as Science and History.

Many of Identity's racist ideas can be traced to the late 18th and
early 19th centuries. Esoteric sounding theories, propagated by
intellectuals and college professors of the day, were used to prove the
inferiority of some races. These theories have been disproved by modern
scholarship but are kept alive by the racist of today. One of the terms
common to such theories was physiognomy, an ancient method for
determining human character by the study of facial features. This
included comparing those features to animal ones.[10]
Also, many historians of the time were highly nationalistic and,
therefore, prone to write with a high regard for the white race.

                                          Religious Racism

Another form of racism developed along religious and nationalistic
lines. The growing concern of the peoples in the West (including the
United States) with their own national interest led to some strange
ideas about national identity. In the United States a theory called
"Manifest Destiny" evolved. That view included the understanding that
it was the nation's God-given destiny to expand from the east coast to
the west coast, and perhaps even to the southern end of Mexico. In
England another movement began that would later blend well with the
Manifest Destiny ideas held by some in the United States. This
religious movement was nationalistic, assigning religious worth more to
race than to righteousness.

The movement, Anglo-Israelism, began in 1870. It was founded by the
Rev. John Wilson, a nonconformist minister who expounded the idea that
the Anglo-Saxons were the supposed ten lost tribes of Israel. Believing
the nations of western Europe and the United States to be God's chosen
people, they
expected them to receive all the promises God gave to Israel in the Old
Testament.

Mr. Edward Hine brought the Anglo-Israelism movement to the United
States in 1870, the same year the movement began in England. His
efforts were mostly unfruitful, but his book, Identification of the
British Nation with Lost
Israel, is still used by adherents of Identity in the United States.
Hine's book was first among a spate of Anglo-Israel literature
published in the U. S. -- including a periodical published by Yale
Professor Charles A. L. Totten called, Our Race, Its Origins and Its
Destiny.[11] Today, with few exceptions (the Worldwide Church of God
being one), most adherents of Anglo-Israelism are in the Identity
movement.

                                      The Turn toward Violence

Extreme racism entered Anglo-Israelism because some of its most
prominent adherents were also connected to the Ku Klux Klan, and the
Klan in turn had become interested in the Nazis. The KKK was born,
without overt racist
intentions, in 1867. Thomas F. Gossett, author of Race: The History of
an Idea in America, notes that "the Klan originated as a lark among
young men in southern Tennessee who -- so the story goes -- chose this
method of visiting
their sweethearts attired in their version of the costume of Knights of
old and discovered accidentally that they were terrifying the
Negroes."[12] The Klan grew in its attempt to control black people
during the Reconstruction period.
The methods included "assassination, whipping, tarring and
feathering."[13] The Klan during the 1920s added the Jew and Catholic
to their list of enemies in an attempt to attract more members. By 1923
membership had reached between three and six million people. Decline
came with the depression of the 1930s and also with the Ku Klux Klan's
overtures to the American arm of the Nazi party before the Second World
War.[14]

The merging of Klan and Nazi extremism into the Anglo-Israelism
movement -- which then produced the Identity movement -- can largely be
traced to one man: Wesley Swift. However, it was not Swift but Howard
B. Rand (whose
writings are published by Destiny Publishers) who first coined the term
Identity. According to James Coates, Rand's intention was "to describe
Hine's concept of Anglo-Israelism, in which Jesus was not a Jew of the
tribe of Judah but an Aryan of the ten lost tribes of Israel and an
ancestor of the present British, Germanic and Scandinavian people."[15]

Wesley Swift was a prolific speaker and his tapes and written messages
are frequently used by Identity speakers. His connections to the Nazism
of Hitler's Germany are unquestionable. Swift was at one time both a
friend and advance man for Gerald L. K. Smith, a racist whose radical
career began when
he joined the "Silver Shirts," an American Nazi group formed by Willam
Pelley. James Ridgeway, author of Blood in the Face (a "who's-who of
hate"), notes
that "with Pelley as their 'Chief,' the Silver Shirts openly supported
Hitler, cooperated with the pro-Nazi German-American Bund, and embarked
on a program of vicious anti-Semitism."[16]

Swift was also a member of the Ku Klux Klan when he founded the
Identity Church of Jesus Christ Christian in 1946. Richard Butler, who
was led into the Identity movement by Wesley Swift, inherited Swift's
church and founded an
Identity compound called the Aryan Nations, located near Hayden Lake,
Idaho. Butler is an advocate of Nazism, and his yearly Aryan Nations
meetings attract Klan members, Nazi groups, and skinheads. Some
Identity teachers,
although racist, reject Nazism in name, attributing its cause to the
Jews. This trend has started a new controversy within the ranks of
Identity. The Identity groups who reject Nazism also do so because they
are perceptive enough to recognize Nazism's ingrained hatred of true
Christianity.

                                  IDENTITY'S SPIRITUAL HISTORY

The list of spiritual influences touching Identity resembles a
religious vanity fair. The Neo-Nazi movement embraces the zodiac of
astrology as easily as it does the teaching of the quietest mystic
Madame Guyon. Its teachers write
against the New Age movement while embracing occultist Edgar Cayce.
They also welcome the deliverance ministries (those ministries that
specialize in the controversial practice of casting demons out of
Christians) while
embracing the world of the occult.

                                          Occult Influence

Some of the groups that reject Nazism seem to feature less occult
teaching within their published material. However, except for racist
literature, occult teachings have probably had the greatest influence
on most Identity groups and
individuals. This may have partly developed from prewar occultic German
groups that were also anti-Semitic. German cults such as the Alder and
Falken and the Geusen worshiped the sun. And one influence on Hitler
was a group whose  emphasis on German nationality was connected to
their interest in the Druids -- an ancient pagan people many Identity
groups also embrace.[17]

Wesley Swift used occult legends as "truths" in his sermons. His
bizarre teachings included stories about Atlantis and Lemuria,
fictional civilizations included in most occult philosophy. Identity
teachers of today such as Pastor Arnold Murray maintain that the great
Pyramid was built by the Israelites and is a second revelation of God.
The idea that the measurements of the pyramid are encoded with a
revealed message is occultic, since the message is both supernaturally
given and esoteric, known only by those initiated into
that knowledge. Identity also embraces astrology and occultic tales of
Jesus visiting Britain.

                                  Other Streams of Religious Influence

Because many Identity adherents are people with a history of looking
for "new truths," they often come to Identity from other religious
movements, bringing some of their unique doctrines with them. Thus the
teachings of several
smaller religious groups have been added to the racist teachings of
Identity. These include the Sacred Name movement (using only Yahweh for
God and Yehoshua or some equivalent for Jesus); Jesus Only teaching
(the belief that there are not three persons in the Godhead, only three
offices); and the fringe teachings of the "manifest sons of God" (the
expectation that an elite group of the church will deliver creation,
overcome death, and help God bring in the kingdom). A few people came
out of the restoration and charismatic movements and added their unique
doctrines to Identity. The restoration movement teaches that God is
restoring lost doctrines to the church. Utilizing this framework, the
Identity teachers include Identity as one of the lost doctrines. (It is
important to point out that although Identity teachers variously link
Identity to the above movements and teachings, properly speaking these
movements have nothing to do with Identity.)

                               THE BONDING LINK OF CONSPIRACY

The Identity stand against the Jews as a people without value who are
enemies of the white race aligns the movement with other groups that
feed constantly on conspiracy theories, including ones that are Nazi
without teaching Anglo-Israelism. This taste for anti-Semitism is most
responsible for
the intermingling of Identity, Neo-Nazi, and other racist groups.
Different groups will often use the same speakers at their various
churches and urvivalist camps. And individual members of different
groups will order the same books from racist publishers.

For instance, many Identity groups offer books by E. Raymond Capt and
also use him as a speaker, since his specialty is supposedly
archaeology and history. Capt's writing includes such books as
Stonehenge and Druidism and The Traditions of Glastonbury: The Silent
Years of Jesus between 12 and 30. Another speaker used by most groups
is Lt. Col. Jack Mohr, whose specialty is anti-Communism. Mohr offers
such tapes as "Background to Betrayal: How
America Has Been Betrayed by Zionists Both Jewish and Christian." Many
racist groups, including Identity groups, sell or refer to the book,
Protocols of the Elders of Zion. This fraudulent book is supposedly a
document of conspiracy by Jewish leaders to take over the world.

Most conspiracy theories have developed from a particular fear -- and
the need to master that fear, by identifying a cause and then
supposedly gaining control of the situation. For instance, the cause of
the Black Plague in the Middle
Ages was attributed to the Jew. The solution espoused was to kill or
remove the Jews. Then the plague would supposedly end. The disastrous
condition of Germany after the First World War was attributed to the
Jew by some fearful Germans. Eventually their evil solution brought
about the Holocaust. And while the John Birch Society changed most of
the leading players in their conspiracy theory to what they call the
"insiders" rather than Jews, many others still see the Jew as the
monster controlling world events. For these anti-Semites the Jew is
often referred to as the "International Banker."

All of these groups together, both Identity and non-Identity white
supremacist, hold a dangerous sociopolitical view. Their mutual
solution to this supposed "Jewish control" is a race war. This war is
considered by many Identity
teachers to be the last great battle, Armageddon.

According to these teachers, at the head of this conspiracy that leads
to the final battle is ZOG: Zionist Occupation Government. Zionist
Occupation Government simply means to Identity adherents that the
Jewish conspiracy has
taken over the government of the United States. Since they also believe
that Jewish leaders are using other races to destroy the white
racemism. They appeal to other conservatives concerning such issues as
AIDS, abortion, and prison reform. This is where some Christians have
been pulled into the circle of Identity.

Many Christians find they are facing a bewildering morass of social
problems from Identity's blatant racism nonetheless allow Identity's
attitudes and world view -- including conspiracy theories -- to touch
the core of their faith. Turning to ideas, news sources, and leaders
who lack an understanding of the true gospel, these Ce able to divorce
the Jewish foundation of Christianity by simply disconnecting
Christianity from both the Old Testament and Paul. Most of the "German
Christians" -- those loyal to Hitler -- based their religious views on
a kind of nationalistic nonsectarian ethic.

Franklin Littell, Professor of Religion at Temple University, points
out that this German understanding of Christianity was not unlike John
Birch Society founder Robert Welch's "ecstatic affirmation of
non-sectarian religion," found in Welch's The Blue Book. Littell
writes: "The 'German Christians' were at least logical enough to press
the religion of the ethnic base, infused with spirituality, to its
logical conclusion: antisemitism."[19] The point is:
without a biblical basis, without Jesus Christ as Lord, any religion,
even one named Christian -- especially one named Christian, can produce
gross evil.

Although the religious teachers of "Christian Identity" do not reject
the Old Testament or Paul, they distort and twist Scripture until
little is left of God's revelation of good news. The Identity teachers'
conclusion that the British, Scandinavian, and Germanic peoples are the
lost tribes of Israel is a
case in point. None of the tribes of Israel have been lost. While many
of the northern tribes of Israel -- carried into exile by Assyria --
intermarried with the peoples they lived among, there is no biblical
reference that would encourage this teaching of lost tribes.

Christ's statement that He "was sent only to the lost sheep of the
house of Israel" (Matt. 15:24) is not a reference to tribes that had
physically disappeared, but to a people who were lost in sin. Earlier
in the text Jesus had sent His twelve disciples "to the lost sheep of
the house of Israel" (Matt.
10:6), and the disciples did not need to search for the people they
were sent to help. After the captivity of the Northern Kingdom of
Israel and the Babylonian captivity of the Southern Kingdom of Judah,
all twelve tribes -- whether living outside of the homeland or within
the homeland -- were referred to as both Jews and Israel. Both the Book
of Ezra and the Book of Nehemiah, books about the return of God's
people to Jerusalem after their captivity, use the two terms, Jews and
Israel, to refer to the same people (e.g., Ezra 2:26; 4:12; Neh. 1:6;
4:1-2).

Paul refers to himself as both a Jew and an Israelite. Writing of God's
enduring of the "vessels of wrath" for the sake of those He would show
mercy to, he notes: "And He did so in order that He might make known
the richesus
explained to the Samaritan woman that "we worship that which we know,
for salvation is from the Jews" (John 4:22), not only calling Himself a
Jew but pointing her toward the Jewish people, whom God had chosen to
bless the world
through the promised Mes to their common humanity as creations of the
true
God when he stated: "And He made from one, every nation of mankind to
live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed
times, and the boundaries of their habitation, that they should seek
God, if perhaps they
might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of
us" (Acts 17:26-27). Genesis 10:1-32 names most of the nations that
developed from the three sons of Noah. Derek Kidner, author of Genesis
in the Tyndale Old
Testament Commentaries, writes: "Not every nation known to the Old
Testament is enrolled here, but enough are present to make the point
that mankind is one, for all its diversity, under the one creator.
Possibly the seventy names (Lxx 72) influenced our Lord's choice of
this apparently symbolic number of emissaries in Luke 10:1."[21]

Jesus Christ is God's answer to racism. Paul admonishes the Galatians
that they are to make no distinctions among those belonging to Christ;
they are to be as one: "For all of you who were baptized into Christ
have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek,
there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female;
for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Gal. 3:27-28). In the Book of
Revelation, where Christ is pictured as both "the Lion that is from the
tribe of Judah" and "a Lamb standing, as if slain," the 24 Elders sing
to His glory: "For Thou wast slain, and didst purchase for God with Thy
blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation. And thou
hast made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God; and they will
reign upon the earth" (Rev. 5:9-10).

The church, those redeemed not by race but by the blood of Christ the
Lamb, understand Christ as both lion and lamb, both sacrifice and King.
Wilhelm Niemoller, one of the members of the Confessing Church in
Germany during the
time of Hitler, wrote of what it meant to confess Christ as the only
Lord under that regime: "One of my friends concluded a sermon of his in
1934 or 1935 by saying: 'O Lord, Thou alone art our hope, apart from
Thee, I know none!' He was arrested, put on trial, and later released.
The enemies that listened to him had noticed that the Third Reich was
put in a difficult position wherever the 'One Word of God' made its
appearance."[22] The Neo-Nazi groups and those who feed on their hate
literature are simply a part of the rising paganism in America. They
are also an extreme example of groups who like to use Christian
terminology while laying foundations on extrabiblical revelation. The
need for present security, elitism, power, and a revelation not
anchored in Christ and the Word of God is the mark of anti-Christian
religion.

The believer's only haven is Christ. This means there is no present
worldly security -- the believer is not an elite person. Instead,
members of Christ's church are often the ones hated and despised by the
nations. The only power
given is that which Christ gives, so that His followers may be able to
faithfully love, serve, and suffer in this present world. Finally, the
believer finds racial pride to be sin, because the only exaltation a
Christian knows is God's unmerited grace, freely offered to all in
Jesus Christ.

        Previously the director of Apologetics Resource Center,
Sacramento, California, Viola Larson is a graduate student in history
at California State University, Sacramento.
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--------                                             NOTES

1. John E. Yang, "Separatist Surrenders in Idaho," Sacramento Bee, 1
September 1992, part A.
2. "U.S. Hate Groups Spread Their Venom to Germany," Sacramento Bee,
14 August 1992, part A.
3. Ibid.
4. Arnold Murray, Grace: Baptism (cassette #406) (Gravette,
AR:Shepherd's Chapel, n.d.).
5. Jack Mohr, "Seed of Satan: Literal or Figurative?" (Louis, MI:
n.p., n.d.) 26.
6. Pete Peters, Inter-Racial Marriage, part l (cassette 170) (La
Porte, CO: Scriptures for America, n.d.).
7. Wesley Swift, Dwellers in the Deep (cassette 350) (Waynesville, NC:
New Beginnings, 1964).
8. Federick Haberman, Tracing Our Ancestors (n.p., n.d.), 10. Reference
is made within the book to Hitler in Germany, dating the book sometime
before World War II.
9. Murray, Grace: Baptism.
10. Thomas F. Gossett, Race: The History of an Idea in America (New
York: Schocken Books, 1965), 71.
11. James Coates (New York: Hill and Wang, Farrar, Straus, and Giroux,
1987), 181; Gossett, 192.  [Back] 12. Gossett, 259-60.
13. Ibid., 260.
14. Coates, 33-36.
15. Ibid., 93.
16. James Ridgeway, Blood in the Face: The Ku Klux Klan, Aryan Nations,
Skinheads, and the Rise of a New White Culture(New York: Thunder's
Mouth Press, 1990), 45.
17. George L. Mosse, The Crisis of German Ideology: Intellectual
Origins of the Third Reich (New York: Schocken Books, 1981), 75, 116,
277.
18. Pete Peters, A Biblical Look at the Farm Problems (cassette 161)
(La Porte, CO: Scriptures for America, n.d.).
19. Frank H. Littell, "Church Struggle and the Holocaust," in The
German Church Struggle and the Holocaust, ed. Frank H. Littell and
Hubert G. Locke (Detroit: Wayne State University Press, 1974), 25-26.

Copyright 1993 by the Christian Research Institute.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Münch-JUST ANOTHER AUSCHWITZ LIAR-
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 17:37:18 -0600
From: Ed Kadach 
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Posted for the edification of Herb Gorman.

Racialist regards,

Ed Kadach

JUST ANOTHER AUSCHWITZ LIAR

Dr. Münch, 87, "gave" a testimony to Bruno Schirra, an "independent"
journalist; it was published in Der Spiegel  on Sept. 26, 1998. He has been
a SS physician in Auschwitz in 1943 and after. The greatest suspicion
should be exercised before accepting this statement, mostly because the son
of the old man wrote to the weekly to express his amazement. He said the
mind of his father has been "weakened" since two years. He thinks his
father's sentences, over the phone, have been "either misunterstood or
misinterpreted".
We have now a declaration he signed in 1995, presumably at a time his mind
was not yet too much threatened by senility. Here is the affidavit he gave
to a to Mrs Eva Mozes Kor in January 1995 in Auschwitz:

I, Dr. Hans Münch hereby attest that, as an SS physician on duty in
Auschwitz in 1944, I witnessed the selection process of those who were to
live and those who were to die. Other SS physicians on duty in the camps
made selections at the platform where the transports arrived.  They also
made selections in the barracks. I was exempt from performing selections
because I had refused to do so.
I further attest that I saw thousands of people gassed here at Auschwitz.
Children, old people, the sick and those unable to work were sent to the
gas chambers. These were innocent human beings: Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals,
Hitler's political opponents -- anyone who did not fit Hitler's idea of a
pure Aryan race.
I am signing this paper of my own free will to help document the cruel
intolerance of my fellow SS.
I, a former SS physician, witnessed the dropping of Zyklon B into simulated
exhaust vents from outside the gas chamber. Zyklon B began to work as soon
as it was released from the canisters. The effects of the gas were observed
through a peephole by an assigned doctor or the SS officer on duty. After
three to five minutes, death could be certified, and the doors were opened
as a sign that the corpses were cleared to be burned. This is the nightmare
I continue to live with fifty years  later.
I am so sorry that in some way I was part of it. Under the prevailing
circumstances I did the best I could to save as many lives as possible.
Joining the SS was a mistake. I was young. I was an opportunist. And once I
joined, there was no way out.
Dr. Hans Münch
January 27, 1995, Auschwitz

Assuming the author of the statement to be healthy at the time, we can
easily identify a series of lies. We use here the word "lies" on purpose.
As it will be shown, it is not possible that certain statements which are
contrary to the truth were made by accident.
As a physician, he "witnessed" the "selection" at the platform (the "Ramp")
but did not take part in them:
Very unlikely. The platform was outside of the main camps. You could not be
there and "witness" if you had no official business there. If he did not
participate in the "selection" (which, in itself, is a cause for
condemnation in German courts), then he had no business being there and he
describes the scene from reading it in books written after the war. This
cannot be believed. Either he was ordered to participate in "special
treatments" leading to the death of inmates and he is lying to hide his
guilt, or he never received such an order, and he lies about his alleged
"resistance". In his Spiegel interview, he says he worked with Dr. Mengele,
"a charming man", and that he just "refused" to do what  he had been told
to do. But at the same time he says that he injected pus in prisoners'
gums, to experiment on "human material". If Mengele was only a tiny
fraction of the evil man recounted by the orthodox histories of the camp,
Dr. Münch would not be in a position to tell us his story now. Rebellion in
the SS carried a heavy sentence. Or Dr. Mengele was not the man described
in late stories and the reason why Dr. Münch did not participate in an
extermination programs was that there was no such program in Auschwitz at
the time. He adds that once he had joined the SS, he could not quit, which
is quite untrue.

He saw thousands of people being "gassed" in Auschwitz. He says: "anyone
who did not fit Hitler's idea of a pure Aryan race". This statement is
totally absurd. Tens of millions of people who "did not fit Hitler's idea
of a pure Aryan race" did survive the Nazi period, including hundreds of
thousands in the camps. Dr. Münch betrays here a will to conform to the
ideological needs of the present state in Germany.
He "witnessed the dropping of Zyklon B into simulated exhaust vents "from
outside the gas chamber". The trouble is that there is no hole on the
ceiling, as can be verified today by inspecting the ruins of the gas
chambers, still visible in Auschwitz concentration camp. Dr. Faurisson has
called the world's attention to this FACT: there are no holes in the
concrete slab which was the ceiling. Now the handful of testimonies
recognized in the trials all mention or suppose the existence of holes to
"introduce" the poison into the "chambers". But the physical evidence shows
that these stories are not fitting with reality. The description given by
Dr. Münch is a physical impossibility. But it can be found in a number of
books and "testimonies" of other liars, like Dr. Vrba, Dr. Niyszli and such
like. These testimonies must now be either amended -- and a new explanation
of the technique of poisoning should be quickly discovered -- or abandoned,
with the story of the gassings itself.
 But the most enormous lie is in the following sentence: "After three to
five minutes, death could be certified, and the doors were opened as a sign
that the corpses were cleared to be burned". All this is utterly
impossible, contradicts the laws of physics and chemistry and is a pure
invention. This man is just quoting worn out literary precedents. He is not
as creative and inventive as Wilkomisrki.
Maybe the most disgusting is his assertion, without qualification, that he
contributed to save as many lives as he could. If anyone can believe this,
then this would open a new window in the area of Jewish gullibility, which,
we have reckoned already, is limitless when the magic word "Holocaust" is
pronounced.
In another statement reproduced on the CANDLES website, he declared: "I had
to watch the operation of the gas chambers and then, when the bodies were
dead, I had to sign the death certificates."
Now, here again, the man is playing on several sides of the reality. It is
true that the death of one inmate triggered a flow of papers. We know from
former Polish members of the camp administration that twenty-one signatures
were required for an ordinary death (33 in case of unnatural death). And
Münch comments on the general bureaucracy: "You had to sign a lot: that was
top secret. That was just a formality." But the catch is in the official
history: there were no death documents for those allegedly "gassed". The
official history mentions days when 2000 people were allegedly gassed. If
we stick to that history, Münch is a liar when he says he signed for the
gassed dead bodies. And if we get away from the official history, Münch is
a liar because there was no gassing. Which lie is the most profitable in
Germany today?
Münch proudly proclaimed that "...a string of my prisoners spoke up for
me..." at his 1947 trial in Poland, where he was acquitted.
>From another message by the same source (Witte): "Since 1943 Dr. Münch was
occupied in the "Hygienisch-Bakteriologische Untersuchungsstelle der
Waffen-SS und Polizei Südost" in Auschwitz-Rajsko.
The problem is that Rajsko is an external subcamp, devoted to agricultural
research and specially the development of plants that could be used in the
production of naturel rubber (Ersatzgummi). Some scholars have insisted
that revisionist author Thies Christophersen, who had been at Rajsko, was
disqualified because being there precluded any possibility to observe what
was happening in the Stammlager or Birkenau. This should then be extended
to Dr. Münch who was apparently in the same situation.
"According to testimonies of survivors, who had been working with him in
the "Rajsko Laboratory", for the Krakowian Auschwitz Trial of 1947 he
however refused taking part in selections on the ramp and attending
gassings any longer so that consequently on his own initiative he needn't
in future either. Generally speaking his attitude and behavior towards
prisoners was judged very positively by these survivors in 1947."
"What makes it difficult to bring him to court once again ( ne bis in idem
), is the fact that he was the only one of 40 Auschwitz SS-defendants in
Crakow who was acquitted by Court and set free because of testimonies in
his favour by former prisoners. It is little known that after the war he
wrote a basic study  on "Hunger and Expectation of Life in Auschwitz" for
the Polish Public Prosecutor, later published by the Auschwitz
International Committee."  (Witte)
This shows that Dr. Münch was not a revolted guy but rather an obedient
civil servant who dutifully collaborated with Polish authorities when
requested to.

The case of the lady who "whitewashed" him again is also interesting.  Her
name  is Eva Moses Kor She is the founder of C.A.N.D.L.E.S., a Holocaust
museum.  She participated in the Dec. 96
USHMM "Doctor's Trial Conference". Whatever that is.
Here is the report of someone who met her:
"Eva Moses Kor had compelling reasons to do extend the forgiveness. She was
trying to get ex-SS men or anybody else with knowledge of what she and
other twins were injected with to come forth with the information. Her
sister (her twin sister also subjected to Mengele) was at the time
suffering with or had died from bladder cancer. The sister's doctor said
that tests detected a strange substance present in her body, but the doctor
could not identify it. Moses Kor and her sister felt certain that the
mystery substance was the cause of the bladder cancer and that the
substance entered the sister's body via an SS syringe at Auschwitz."
[Miriam Mozes died in 1993, 48 years after she had left the camp.] Another
case of extravagant gullibility! How can you believe you get a cancer 48
years after an injection? How mad are these people?
But there is more to it. The story of the twins, whatever its kernel of
truth, has developped into a huge myth of incontrolable proportions. This
is what the commentator is adding:
"The US government was in possession of much unreleased information seized
from the SS, but the IMT prosecutors did not see as necessary for their
specifics of 1946. A small group of scholars were also allowed to sort
though the materials to find what *they* considered relevant. But of the
total material, they considered only a small amount to be *relevant.* (Our
emplasis) ... But the twin survivors felt that the probability was high
that such information was contained within. They petitioned and petitioned
the US government all to no avail. It was only after much petitioning that
Eva Moses Kor issued her forgiveness. It was a last ditch effort to try to
get somebody with knowledge to come forth. And this signing took place as
part of a normal survivors's conference at Auschwitz. So press was already
there. And any extra publicity Moses Kor and Muench might have made would
have been designed to try to get the word to as many ex-SS and their
families as possible so that whomever among them has knowledge of what the
twins were exposed to will learn of the amnesty." (Witte)
Now we have the reason of all this fuss. Some old ladie, afraid of dying,
imagines that, ages ago, she and her sister have received a mysterious
substance from the evil doctors down there in A. This looks like a story
for "X-files". The truth is elsewhere. Now they start criticizing the
Nuremberg highly selective way of collecting documents (a possibility which
was denied to the defense counsels). Now they realize that Nuremberg itself
is a heavily biased approach of history, done in the name of immediate
political and military needs, including the consolidation of Soviet
occupation of half Europe.
Eva Mozes was born in a Rumanian village in 1934. Same region as arch-liar
Elie Wiesel. From Auschwitz she returned, with her twin sister, to Rumania,
and then to Israel (1950-1960). Joined the army there. Later married and
settled in Indiana, USA. See her biography on her website. Another case of
delusion. Here is the description of what was done to the twins, culled
from her autobiography and reproduced on the Candles Website: "Three times
a week we were marched to Auschwitz to a big brick building, sort of like a
big gymnasium. They would keep us there for about six or eight hours at a
time -- most of the days. [...] We would have to sit naked in the large
room where we first entered, and people in white jackets would observe us
and write down notes. They also would study every part of our bodies. They
would photograph, measure our heads and arms and bodies, and compare the
measurements of one twin to another. The process seemed to go on and on."
(Echoes from Auschwitz, Kor).  The laboratory experiments were described by
Kor as follows: "Most of the time, they would take blood from one arm, and
they gave us shots in the other." (Echoes from Auschwitz, Kor).

We learn that "Hans Münch, 87, a retired German physician who admits to
helping Nazi doctor Joseph Mengele carry out medical experiments on
concentration camp inmates is again under investigation." As Le Monde
observed, "having been acquitted in Cracow for his part in the medical
experiments, he could be sued for his taking part (contested) to the
"selections" of Jews, or, simply, for incitement to racial hatred because
of his statements in der Spiegel". The German "journalist" has planted in
Münch's mouth some expletives about the "Eastern Jews" and their servility.
As one H-Holocaust police-minded "historian" said: "A friend of mine in
Germany has pointed out that the Frankfurt/Main prosecutor's office
"Staatsanwaltschaft Frankfurt/Main, Konrad-Adenauer-Str. 20, D-60313,
Frankfurt/Main, Germany" would be happy to receive information which would
assist with the current investigation. Cops, cops, all cops... With whom
else could we discuss?
+++++++++++++++
Sources:
* Dr. Hans Münch interview in Der Spiegel, 26 September 1998;
* Dirk Münch' letter in Der Spiegel, 10 October 1998;
* Dr. Münch's statement: posted on H-Holocaust by Peter Witte
 on 22 and 23 Oct. 1998;
* Info on Mrs Kor by Hosea Azriel , 19 October 1998.
* On the paper flow after the death of inmates in Auschwitz, see Dr.
Tadeusz Paczula"s contribution to vol. II (1, p. 38-73) of Anthologie, ed.
by Jerzy Rawicz, Przeglad Lekarki Auschwitz (International Committee),
1969. This is known as "The Blue Collection". Dr. Paczula was for a time in
charge of Totenbücher, where deaths were registered;
* The stories of Dr. Münch and Eva Kor as told -- in the style of fairy
tales -- on the Website CANDLES, (The name is an acronym for Children of
Auschwitz Nazi Deadly Lab Experiment Survivors), founded by Eva Mozes Kor,
at . She is based in Terre Haute, Indiana.
Probably a very boring place. It is a part of the booming US
Shoah-business; her biography is in a file called "eva". She sells a
biography, Echoes from Auschwitz. She can be reached at ;
* The  Associated Press reports on 14 Oct the investigation of Dr. Münch.
* Dr. Hans Münch, "Glod i czas przezycia w obozie oswiecimskim", (Hunger
and Expectation of Life in Auschwitz) in Przeglad Lekarski, 1967, Vol.1, p.
79-88.
* On twins see "twin", a file on Candles website. Kor quotes the following
works:
-- Lifton, Robert Jay. The Nazi Doctors. The United States: Basic Books. 1986.
-- Nyiszli., Dr. Miklos. Auschwitz: A Doctor's Story of Survival. New York:
Fawcett Crest. 1960. [A well known  forgery]
-- Posner, Gerald L. and John Ware. Mengele. The Complete Story. New York:
Dell Publishing. 1986.
-- Ramati, Alexander. And the Violins Stopped Playing.
* Arnaud Leparmentier, "Les souvenirs sans remords du dernier médecin nazi
d'Auschwitz", Le Monde , 3 October 1998, p. 1.

"All truth passes through three stages. First,
it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
---Schopenhauer

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Subject: [13texan] Does the Jewish God have a name? Yes, it is Satan
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:08:14 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
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Philip,
         What is the name of your God? Have not your people had many gods and
graven images? You dare tell me what my God may think of me? You dare Judge
me and you are a Jew? A Jew will never have any of the gifts of the spirit
and the remarkable thing is,  you attempt to have the Word of Knowledge and
The Word of Wisdom yet you lie and blaspheme one of God's chosen. I know the
name of God and his name is Jesus. Under no other name can salvation be found
than the name of Jesus. To Hate the actions of the Jew, to hate their
treacherous activity, and their blasphemous Talmud is the word of the true
living God.
        In John 1:1 it says," In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was
with  God, and the Word was  God. John 1:14 And the word was made flesh, and
dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten
of the Father) full of grace and truth and his name is JESUS.
            In those two scriptures alone we see that God was manifested in
the flesh, he dwelt among us, and he was FULL OF GRACE AND TRUTH. This
doesn't describe the Jewish God. We call the Jewish god "Satan" full of
indignation and lies.
        With what we have exposed in the form of postings in this group is
the fact  that the Talmud is an evil and anti-Christian book. Now I think
that your babbling and repetitious name calling, and the false accusations is
typical of a squirrelly individual when no one will listen to his repetitive
ignorance.
With the Love of Christ in my heart and soul,
Michael Snead
14/88


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Subject: [13texan] Re: Descriptions of Gassing At Auschwitz
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:10:42 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
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All fabricated lies of the haters of Jesus Christ and the children of Satan.
Michael Snead
14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Descriptions of Gassing At Auschwitz
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 18:35:56 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=893

> All fabricated lies of the haters of Jesus Christ and the children of
Satan.

Hehehehe. Mindless denial from a fool who knows no other way to handle
real evidence.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Identity: A 'Christian' Religion for White
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:37:29 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
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    In the story about Randy Weaver the Government was found neglectful and
had to pay over 3 million dollars. There is a case pending on whether the
agent, who shot Weavers wife in the head while she held their infant
daughter, will stand trial for murder.  Weaver sold one shotgun to a criminal
who was doing dirty work for the Government, The snake (probably a Jew) kept
on bugging Randy about selling him the gun, this went on for over six months
before Randy Weaver finally did sell the shot gun. It was proven in court
that it was entrapment and the charges were dropped. It also is not illegal
to have 100 handguns, 100 shotguns, and 100 rifles. All I know is Randy
didn't have very many weapons.
        Another thing...At least Randy weaver is a member of some religious
movement and not a cult that still sacrifices Goyim Children.
Michael Snead
14/88

In a message dated 9/7/99 4:55:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, philnancy@aol.com
writes:

<< "Separatist Surrenders in Idaho." The story was
 about Randy Weaver, a man indicted for selling two sawed-off
 shotguns to undercover federal agents. During the FBI's attempt
 to force Weaver to leave his Idaho home and return to court, three
 people were killed: a federal agent and Weaver's wife and son. When
 the standoff was over, 15 handguns, shotguns, and rifles were collected
 from his cabin.[1] Randy Weaver is a member of a religious movement  >>

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Descriptions of Gassing At Auschwitz
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:52:05 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
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Philip,
        How can you call information from a group that is known for their
lack of objectivity "real evidence"?  HA HA HA HA HA   As far as the
"mindless" comment...all in this group knows who is a non compos mentis and a
true aversionist which you master quite well....OOP a compliment think.
   NOT!!!
Michael Snead
14/88

In a message dated 9/7/99 9:37:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, philnancy@aol.com
writes:

<< Hehehehe. Mindless denial from a fool who knows no other way to handle
 real evidence.

 Philip Mathews >>

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Münch-JUST ANOTHER AUSCHWITZ LIA
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 19:08:20 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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Kadach wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:

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> Posted for the edification of Herb Gorman.

Why Mr. Kadach thought anyone could be edified by this collection of
unsupported lies and distortions is anyones guess.

>
>
> JUST ANOTHER AUSCHWITZ LIAR
>
> Dr. Münch, 87, "gave" a testimony to Bruno Schirra, an "independent"
> journalist; it was published in Der Spiegel  on Sept. 26, 1998. He
has been
> a SS physician in Auschwitz in 1943 and after. The greatest suspicion
> should be exercised before accepting this statement, mostly because
the son
> of the old man wrote to the weekly to express his amazement. He said
the
> mind of his father has been "weakened" since two years. He thinks his
> father's sentences, over the phone, have been "either misunterstood or
> misinterpreted".
> We have now a declaration he signed in 1995, presumably at a time his
mind
> was not yet too much threatened by senility. Here is the affidavit he
gave
> to a to Mrs Eva Mozes Kor in January 1995 in Auschwitz:
>
> I, Dr. Hans Münch hereby attest that, as an SS physician on duty in
> Auschwitz in 1944, I witnessed the selection process of those who
were to
> live and those who were to die. Other SS physicians on duty in the
camps
> made selections at the platform where the transports arrived.  They
also
> made selections in the barracks. I was exempt from performing
selections
> because I had refused to do so.
> I further attest that I saw thousands of people gassed here at
Auschwitz.
> Children, old people, the sick and those unable to work were sent to
the
> gas chambers. These were innocent human beings: Jews, Gypsies,
homosexuals,
> Hitler's political opponents -- anyone who did not fit Hitler's idea
of a
> pure Aryan race.
> I am signing this paper of my own free will to help document the cruel
> intolerance of my fellow SS.
> I, a former SS physician, witnessed the dropping of Zyklon B into
simulated
> exhaust vents from outside the gas chamber. Zyklon B began to work as
soon
> as it was released from the canisters. The effects of the gas were
observed
> through a peephole by an assigned doctor or the SS officer on duty.
After
> three to five minutes, death could be certified, and the doors were
opened
> as a sign that the corpses were cleared to be burned. This is the
nightmare
> I continue to live with fifty years  later.
> I am so sorry that in some way I was part of it. Under the prevailing
> circumstances I did the best I could to save as many lives as
possible.
> Joining the SS was a mistake. I was young. I was an opportunist. And
once I
> joined, there was no way out.
> Dr. Hans Münch
> January 27, 1995, Auschwitz
>
> Assuming the author of the statement to be healthy at the time, we can
> easily identify a series of lies. We use here the word "lies" on
purpose.
> As it will be shown, it is not possible that certain statements which
are
> contrary to the truth were made by accident.
> As a physician, he "witnessed" the "selection" at the platform (the
"Ramp")
> but did not take part in them:
> Very unlikely. The platform was outside of the main camps. You could
not be
> there and "witness" if you had no official business there. If he did
not
> participate in the "selection" (which, in itself, is a cause for
> condemnation in German courts), then he had no business being there
and he
> describes the scene from reading it in books written after the war.
This
> cannot be believed

Utter nonsense. The contention that Dr. Munch couldn't be there is the
author's assertion, unsupported by anything.

. Either he was ordered to participate in "special
> treatments" leading to the death of inmates and he is lying to hide
his
> guilt, or he never received such an order, and he lies about his
alleged
> "resistance".

He was eventually ordered and refused.  The author again speculates
widely without offering anything to support it.

 In his Spiegel interview, he says he worked with Dr. Mengele,
> "a charming man", and that he just "refused" to do what  he had been
told
> to do. But at the same time he says that he injected pus in prisoners'
> gums, to experiment on "human material". If Mengele was only a tiny
> fraction of the evil man recounted by the orthodox histories of the
camp,
> Dr. Münch would not be in a position to tell us his story now.
Rebellion in
> the SS carried a heavy sentence

More nonsense. Dr. Munch's reported to someone outside the camp, and
this gave him more leeway than most.

. Or Dr. Mengele was not the man described
> in late stories and the reason why Dr. Münch did not participate in an
> extermination programs was that there was no such program in
Auschwitz at
> the time.

The author presumably thinks making this unconnected conclusion based
on a false assumption is profound.  Dozens of Nazis testified to the
extermination program at Auschwitz.

. He adds that once he had joined the SS, he could not quit, which
> is quite untrue.

More unsupported conjecture.

>
> He saw thousands of people being "gassed" in Auschwitz. He says:
"anyone
> who did not fit Hitler's idea of a pure Aryan race". This statement is
> totally absurd. Tens of millions of people who "did not fit Hitler's
idea
> of a pure Aryan race" did survive the Nazi period, including hundreds
of
> thousands in the camps.

They killed as many as they could in the time they had. The racial
theories which served as the underpinnings to these actions is not
debatable.

> Dr. Münch betrays here a will to conform to the
> ideological needs of the present state in Germany.

Apparently any speculation is ok with the author.

> He "witnessed the dropping of Zyklon B into simulated exhaust vents
"from
> outside the gas chamber". The trouble is that there is no hole on the
> ceiling, as can be verified today by inspecting the ruins of the gas
> chambers, still visible in Auschwitz concentration camp. Dr.
Faurisson has
> called the world's attention to this FACT: there are no holes in the
> concrete slab which was the ceiling.

More nonsense. In the ruble of the dynamited gas chambers holes are
clearly visible. A series of these are scanned for viewing at the
Nizkor site.

 Now the handful of testimonies
> recognized in the trials all mention or suppose the existence of
holes to
> "introduce" the poison into the "chambers".

False. That was the method for some of the Auschwitz-Birkenau gas
chambers. Kremas IV and V were different. The author doesn't know what
he's talking about.

> But the physical evidence shows
> that these stories are not fitting with reality. The description
given by
> Dr. Münch is a physical impossibility. But it can be found in a
number of
> books and "testimonies" of other liars, like Dr. Vrba, Dr. Niyszli
and such
> like. These testimonies must now be either amended -- and a new
explanation
> of the technique of poisoning should be quickly discovered -- or
abandoned,
> with the story of the gassings itself.

All of this silliness based on the lie that the Krema ruins have no
holes.

>  But the most enormous lie is in the following sentence: "After three
to
> five minutes, death could be certified, and the doors were opened as
a sign
> that the corpses were cleared to be burned". All this is utterly
> impossible, contradicts the laws of physics and chemistry and is a
pure
> invention. This man is just quoting worn out literary precedents. He
is not
> as creative and inventive as Wilkomisrki.

More unsupported nonsense. What laws of physics and chemistry are
contradicted? Obviously the author has no idea, he's just making it up.

> Maybe the most disgusting is his assertion, without qualification,
that he
> contributed to save as many lives as he could. If anyone can believe
this,
> then this would open a new window in the area of Jewish gullibility,
which,
> we have reckoned already, is limitless when the magic word
"Holocaust" is
> pronounced.

More inane conjecture with not a scrap of evidence. Dr. Munch had
witness support for his claims in court. To rebut this the author has
nothing but his ingnorant assertion.

> In another statement reproduced on the CANDLES website, he declared:
"I had
> to watch the operation of the gas chambers and then, when the bodies
were
> dead, I had to sign the death certificates."
> Now, here again, the man is playing on several sides of the reality.
It is
> true that the death of one inmate triggered a flow of papers. We know
from
> former Polish members of the camp administration that twenty-one
signatures
> were required for an ordinary death (33 in case of unnatural death).
And
> Münch comments on the general bureaucracy: "You had to sign a lot:
that was
> top secret. That was just a formality." But the catch is in the
official
> history: there were no death documents for those allegedly "gassed".
The
> official history mentions days when 2000 people were allegedly
gassed. If
> we stick to that history, Münch is a liar when he says he signed for
the
> gassed dead bodies.

Except that the document reference on the website has not been
described in any way that would convince us it contains the words of
Dr. Munch.

 And if we get away from the official history, Münch is
> a liar because there was no gassing.

A statement of massive denial with not one jot of evidence. How typical.

> Which lie is the most profitable in
> Germany today?
> Münch proudly proclaimed that "...a string of my prisoners spoke up
for
> me..." at his 1947 trial in Poland, where he was acquitted.
> >From another message by the same source (Witte): "Since 1943 Dr.
Münch was
> occupied in the "Hygienisch-Bakteriologische Untersuchungsstelle der
> Waffen-SS und Polizei Südost" in Auschwitz-Rajsko.
> The problem is that Rajsko is an external subcamp, devoted to
agricultural
> research and specially the development of plants that could be used
in the
> production of naturel rubber (Ersatzgummi). Some scholars have
insisted
> that revisionist author Thies Christophersen, who had been at Rajsko,
was
> disqualified because being there precluded any possibility to observe
what
> was happening in the Stammlager or Birkenau. This should then be
extended
> to Dr. Münch who was apparently in the same situation.

The author makes no sense. Dr. Munch was at Auschwitz.

> "According to testimonies of survivors, who had been working with him
in
> the "Rajsko Laboratory", for the Krakowian Auschwitz Trial of 1947 he
> however refused taking part in selections on the ramp and attending
> gassings any longer so that consequently on his own initiative he
needn't
> in future either. Generally speaking his attitude and behavior towards
> prisoners was judged very positively by these survivors in 1947."
> "What makes it difficult to bring him to court once again ( ne bis in
idem
> ), is the fact that he was the only one of 40 Auschwitz SS-defendants
in
> Crakow who was acquitted by Court and set free because of testimonies
in
> his favour by former prisoners. It is little known that after the war
he
> wrote a basic study  on "Hunger and Expectation of Life in Auschwitz"
for
> the Polish Public Prosecutor, later published by the Auschwitz
> International Committee."  (Witte)
> This shows that Dr. Münch was not a revolted guy but rather an
obedient
> civil servant who dutifully collaborated with Polish authorities when
> requested to.

It shows no such thing. The evidence of his actions were presented and
court decisions were made. His testimony only corroborates that of
dozens of Nazis and many inmates.

>
> The case of the lady who "whitewashed" him again is also interesting.
 Her
> name  is Eva Moses Kor She is the founder of C.A.N.D.L.E.S., a
Holocaust
> museum.  She participated in the Dec.
96
> USHMM "Doctor's Trial Conference". Whatever that is.
> Here is the report of someone who met her:
> "Eva Moses Kor had compelling reasons to do extend the forgiveness.
She was
> trying to get ex-SS men or anybody else with knowledge of what she and
> other twins were injected with to come forth with the information. Her
> sister (her twin sister also subjected to Mengele) was at the time
> suffering with or had died from bladder cancer. The sister's doctor
said
> that tests detected a strange substance present in her body, but the
doctor
> could not identify it. Moses Kor and her sister felt certain that the
> mystery substance was the cause of the bladder cancer and that the
> substance entered the sister's body via an SS syringe at Auschwitz."
> [Miriam Mozes died in 1993, 48 years after she had left the camp.]
Another
> case of extravagant gullibility! How can you believe you get a cancer
48
> years after an injection? How mad are these people?

Nothing unusual about it at all. But of course this has nothing to do
with the authors thesis, which he has no doubt abandoned for nothing
important to say.

> But there is more to it. The story of the twins, whatever its kernel
of
> truth, has developped into a huge myth of incontrolable proportions.
This
> is what the commentator is adding:
> "The US government was in possession of much unreleased information
seized
> from the SS, but the IMT prosecutors did not see as necessary for
their
> specifics of 1946. A small group of scholars were also allowed to sort
> though the materials to find what *they* considered relevant. But of
the
> total material, they considered only a small amount to be *relevant.*
(Our
> emplasis) ... But the twin survivors felt that the probability was
high
> that such information was contained within. They petitioned and
petitioned
> the US government all to no avail. It was only after much petitioning
that
> Eva Moses Kor issued her forgiveness. It was a last ditch effort to
try to
> get somebody with knowledge to come forth. And this signing took
place as
> part of a normal survivors's conference at Auschwitz. So press was
already
> there. And any extra publicity Moses Kor and Muench might have made
would
> have been designed to try to get the word to as many ex-SS and their
> families as possible so that whomever among them has knowledge of
what the
> twins were exposed to will learn of the amnesty." (Witte)
> Now we have the reason of all this fuss. Some old ladie, afraid of
dying,
> imagines that, ages ago, she and her sister have received a mysterious
> substance from the evil doctors down there in A. This looks like a
story
> for "X-files". The truth is elsewhere. Now they start criticizing the
> Nuremberg highly selective way of collecting documents (a possibility
which
> was denied to the defense counsels).

The author, being rather dim has gone off on irrelevant tangents. His
statements about IMT are untrue and obviously irrelevant to Dr. Munch's
trial in Crakow. Just a mish mash of confused denier lies not wielded
very well by a moron.

> Now they realize that Nuremberg itself
> is a heavily biased approach of history, done in the name of immediate
> political and military needs, including the consolidation of Soviet
> occupation of half Europe.

No one realizes any such thing, and in any event the writing of history
is independent of the findings of Nuremberg.

> Eva Mozes was born in a Rumanian village in 1934. Same region as
arch-liar
> Elie Wiesel. From Auschwitz she returned, with her twin sister, to
Rumania,
> and then to Israel (1950-1960). Joined the army there. Later married
and
> settled in Indiana, USA. See her biography on her website. Another
case of
> delusion. Here is the description of what was done to the twins,
culled
> from her autobiography and reproduced on the Candles Website: "Three
times
> a week we were marched to Auschwitz to a big brick building, sort of
like a
> big gymnasium. They would keep us there for about six or eight hours
at a
> time -- most of the days. [...] We would have to sit naked in the
large
> room where we first entered, and people in white jackets would
observe us
> and write down notes. They also would study every part of our bodies.
They
> would photograph, measure our heads and arms and bodies, and compare
the
> measurements of one twin to another. The process seemed to go on and
on."
> (Echoes from Auschwitz, Kor).  The laboratory experiments were
described by
> Kor as follows: "Most of the time, they would take blood from one
arm, and
> they gave us shots in the other." (Echoes from Auschwitz, Kor).
>
> We learn that "Hans Münch, 87, a retired German physician who admits
to
> helping Nazi doctor Joseph Mengele carry out medical experiments on
> concentration camp inmates is again under investigation." As Le Monde
> observed, "having been acquitted in Cracow for his part in the medical
> experiments, he could be sued for his taking part (contested) to the
> "selections" of Jews, or, simply, for incitement to racial hatred
because
> of his statements in der Spiegel". The German "journalist" has
planted in
> Münch's mouth some expletives about the "Eastern Jews" and their
servility.

What is the evidence for this statement? Of course I forgot, the author
has no evidence.

> As one H-Holocaust police-minded "historian" said: "A friend of mine
in
> Germany has pointed out that the Frankfurt/Main prosecutor's office
> "Staatsanwaltschaft Frankfurt/Main, Konrad-Adenauer-Str. 20, D-60313,
> Frankfurt/Main, Germany" would be happy to receive information which
would
> assist with the current investigation. Cops, cops, all cops... With
whom
> else could we discuss?

Pretty pathetic performance all round. Certainly sufficient for Jew
haters like Eddie Kadach, who has never been much of a scholar and is
pretty much willing to post any drivel which smears Jews or attacks the
historical reality of the Holocaust. Thank god Eddie's on their side!

Philip Mathews

> +++++++++++++++
> Sources:
> * Dr. Hans Münch interview in Der Spiegel, 26 September 1998;
> * Dirk Münch' letter in Der Spiegel, 10 October 1998;
> * Dr. Münch's statement: posted on H-Holocaust by Peter Witte
>  on 22 and 23 Oct. 1998;
> * Info on Mrs Kor by Hosea Azriel , 19 October
1998.
> * On the paper flow after the death of inmates in Auschwitz, see Dr.
> Tadeusz Paczula"s contribution to vol. II (1, p. 38-73) of
Anthologie, ed.
> by Jerzy Rawicz, Przeglad Lekarki Auschwitz (International Committee),
> 1969. This is known as "The Blue Collection". Dr. Paczula was for a
time in
> charge of Totenbücher, where deaths were registered;
> * The stories of Dr. Münch and Eva Kor as told -- in the style of
fairy
> tales -- on the Website CANDLES, (The name is an acronym for Children
of
> Auschwitz Nazi Deadly Lab Experiment Survivors), founded by Eva Mozes
Kor,
> at . She is based in Terre Haute,
Indiana.
> Probably a very boring place. It is a part of the booming US
> Shoah-business; her biography is in a file called "eva". She sells a
> biography, Echoes from Auschwitz. She can be reached at
;
> * The  Associated Press reports on 14 Oct the investigation of Dr.
Münch.
> * Dr. Hans Münch, "Glod i czas przezycia w obozie oswiecimskim",
(Hunger
> and Expectation of Life in Auschwitz) in Przeglad Lekarski, 1967,
Vol.1, p.
> 79-88.
> * On twins see "twin", a file on Candles website. Kor quotes the
following
> works:
> -- Lifton, Robert Jay. The Nazi Doctors. The United States: Basic
Books. 1986.
> -- Nyiszli., Dr. Miklos. Auschwitz: A Doctor's Story of Survival. New
York:
> Fawcett Crest. 1960. [A well known  forgery]
> -- Posner, Gerald L. and John Ware. Mengele. The Complete Story. New
York:
> Dell Publishing. 1986.
> -- Ramati, Alexander. And the Violins Stopped Playing.
> * Arnaud Leparmentier, "Les souvenirs sans remords du dernier médecin
nazi
> d'Auschwitz", Le Monde , 3 October 1998, p. 1.
>
> "All truth passes through three stages. First,
> it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
> ---Schopenhauer
>

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Descriptions of Gassing At Auschwitz
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 19:14:05 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
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> Philip,
>         How can you call information from a group that is known for
their
> lack of objectivity "real evidence"?

It's not. It's testimonial evidence and accepted by historians. Your
desperate denial is the  typical know nothing ranting of a fool.

 HA HA HA HA HA   As far as the
> "mindless" comment...all in this group knows who is a non compos
mentis and a
> true aversionist which you master quite well....OOP a compliment
think.
>    NOT!!!

Not very good at this, are you!

Philip Mathews

>
> In a message dated 9/7/99 9:37:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
philnancy@aol.com
> writes:
>
> << Hehehehe. Mindless denial from a fool who knows no other way to
handle
>  real evidence.
>
>  Philip Mathews >>

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Identity: A 'Christian' Religion for White
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 19:17:49 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=895

>     In the story about Randy Weaver the Government was found
neglectful and
> had to pay over 3 million dollars. There is a case pending on whether
the
> agent, who shot Weavers wife in the head while she held their infant
> daughter, will stand trial for murder.  Weaver sold one shotgun to a
criminal
> who was doing dirty work for the Government, The snake (probably a
Jew) kept
> on bugging Randy about selling him the gun, this went on for over six
months
> before Randy Weaver finally did sell the shot gun. It was proven in
court
> that it was entrapment and the charges were dropped. It also is not
illegal
> to have 100 handguns, 100 shotguns, and 100 rifles. All I know is
Randy
> didn't have very many weapons.

All of which is irrelevant to the hateful philosophy which underpins
people like you and Weaver. I'm not surprised that you ignored the
exposure of people like you and focused on something else.

>         Another thing...At least Randy weaver is a member of some
religious
> movement and not a cult that still sacrifices Goyim Children.

He's a member of a mindless hate group, as are you, and as the article
which you are unable to reply to demonstrated, your beliefs have
nothing to do with the Christian faith.

Flattened eh.

Philip Mathews

> Michael Snead

>
>
>
> In a message dated 9/7/99 4:55:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
philnancy@aol.com
> writes:
>
> << "Separatist Surrenders in Idaho." The story was
>  about Randy Weaver, a man indicted for selling two sawed-off
>  shotguns to undercover federal agents. During the FBI's attempt
>  to force Weaver to leave his Idaho home and return to court, three
>  people were killed: a federal agent and Weaver's wife and son. When
>  the standoff was over, 15 handguns, shotguns, and rifles were
collected
>  from his cabin.[1] Randy Weaver is a member of a religious movement
>>

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Subject: [13texan] All Christians anti-semitic??
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 02:32:24 -0000
From: reiver@tca.net
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POLISH-AMERICAN PUBLIC RELATIONS COMMITTEE
Dana I. Alvi - Chairwoman       P. O.  Box  3206
Tel & Fax  310 - 829 -1527      Santa Monica, CA. 90408
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December 12, 1998

Give up JESUS AS GOD

Below is an excerpt from the Australian Jewish News, Melbourne
Edition,
Vol. 62, No. 43 - Friday, July 26, 1996, page 9, followed by
commentaries
by Bruno Hetmanski, Rye, NY.

QUOTE:    "Christians and Jews Christians have to make choice -
 "either retain their present belief system and be antisemitic
 or form a partnership with the Jewish people."

This is the view of Bar-Ilan University's Rabbi Dr. Pinchas Hayman,
who is active in Jewish-Christian dialogue and in encouraging
modern
Christianity to return to its Jewish roots by observing the Seven
Noahide
Laws.

"As long as Christians keep Jesus as God, they will be antisemitic
because
that belief must lead them to believe that those who reject Jesus
reject
the God", he told the Australian Jewish News.

"That's how the process of satanising the Jews began.  That belief
is the
root cause of 1500 years of the Christian idolatrous antisemitism
which
led to Holocaust."

Proficient in New Testament Studies and Classical Greek, Dr.
Hayman
noted that at least five American churches have given up belief in
Jesus."

  --   --   --  End of quoted Australian Jewish News.  --   --   --

The above citation is yet another example of Jewish obnoxiousness
taken to even greater heights (or depths) than we have come to
expect
through sorry experience.  First of all this vague inference that any
criticism of Jews would result in a "Holocaust", is a rather warn out
and
groundless argument that should not be given any credence.
Secondly, the
big lie that Christianity brought on what the Jews claim to be the
"Holocaust" is just as easy to refute as the Jews' claim of 6 million
casualties.

The Jews have used the shock value of their outrageous lies and
accusations to stun their victims into silence and submission, and
so far this tactic has worked.  However, the Jews' accusations have
not stood the test of time or public scrutiny, and an angry world
has come
to realize that very little of the Jews' claims are true.  In fact, one
can usually arrive at the truth regarding the Jews by postulating the
exact opposite of whatever they happen to be proclaiming or any
issue.

Unfortunately, the Jews have extorted QUADRILLION dollars from
the
world with their "Holocaust" scams, before some serious questions
about their hoaxes have begun to be raised by significant numbers
of
people.

The Jews have brainwashed the world into believing that any
criticism of
the Jews is both irrational and totally unrelated to the Jews' own
behaviors.  The Jews' assertion that the deification of Jesus Christ
is
the root of all anti-Semitism is another one of their big lies.  Jews
have
stereotyped Christian attitudes in order to show themselves in the
best
light and to draw attention from the types of their own behaviors that
deserve resounding condemnation.

Christianity cannot be blamed for the "Holocaust".  What caused
the
"Holocaust" was the Jews' own manipulation of the Germanic
psyche
in the creation of a Judaized Protestantism that was contaminated
with
Jewish barbarism.  The resulting religion and world view has nothing
whatsoever to do with the Christianity which sprang from Classical
Latin
Culture.

The Jews capitalized upon the northern European Germanic
disaproval
of many aspects of the mediterranean classical culture in which
Christianity was perfected.  These misgivings drove the Reformation
to a greater degree that theological niceties.

The flattery and influence of the Jews helped in effectively de-
Christianizing, Judaizing, secularizing and nationalizing what once
was the dominant religion (Roman Catholicism) into a specific world
view.  That world view which resonated with the Germans' political
ambitions effectively turned White-Anglo-Saxson Protestants into
a life support system for the global Jewish agenda.  This agenda
included a resurgence of the slave trade which had been
suppressed
by Classical Christianity.  In addition, policies further
disenfrancising
serfs were instituted.  This Jewish agenda ultimately removed all
due
respect for the individual that had been carefully cultivated by
Christianity based in Latin Classical Culture.

Ultimately Judaized and secularized Protestantism negated the
concept of a supernatural Kingdom of God as used to be
exemplified
by the Church.  What was eventually offered in its place was the
temporal concept of the god-state. That kind of a world view was
the very foundation of both Hitlerism and Marxism.

There is not a single episode of Germanic military expansionism
that did not ultimately benefit the Jews irrespective of German
victory or defeat.  The history of our own century is full of examples
of
this.

Christian theology has suffered much at the hands of the Jewish
fifth columnists that were encouraged to leave the ghettos and
infiltrate the general population by Moses Mendelssohn (1729-
1786).

At the beginning of the XIXth century assimilated Jews began to
control universities to such an extent that they were professors of
Protestant theology.  (At this time, they are professors of Catholic
theology.)

The first works which represent Christianity from the Talmudic
point of view conceived by Jewish "converts" to Protestantism are:
"The Life of Christ" ("Das Leben Jesu") by David Strauss,
"The Essence of Christianity" ("Das Wessen Des Christentums")
 by Ludwig Feurbach,
"Christ and the Cesars" ("Christus Und Die Casaren) by Bruno
Baur.

Much of this Judaized Protestant theology has made its way into
the Catholic Church over the course of time.  The recent influx of
many Jewish "converts" into the Catholic clergy has created a
situation in which the Church has been softened up enough to
agree with any demands placed on it by Jews.  In fact, a "convert"
from Judaism, Eugene Fisher, has a pivotal role in the education of
all priests in the United States.

Despite all their wails and crocodile tears touting their alleged
historic
sufferings, Jews have turned out to have enjoyed much greater
power
influence and priviledges than they would want to be common
knowledge. As
far as persecution goes, the Jews were the first instigators of
persecution of Christians.  (Paul of Tarsus presided over the
execution of
St. Stephen.)  Jews aided and abetted the persecution of
Christians by
various Roman Emperors.

In this century alone, Jews have been directly involved in the
persecution and deaths of hundreds of times more Christians
than Jews ever perished at Christian hands.

Everyone knows about the "Spanish Inquisition" which was an
effort to curb the damage done by high ranking crypto-Jews in
the Church hierarchy.  Lurid accounts of this process were the
result of Jewish sour grapes.  Not many people are aware of the
"Jewish Inquisition" in which crazed rabbis terrorized their
communities for centuries, tormenting any Jew who had the
slightest concilliatory or tolerant attitude towards Christians.

Benjamin Disraeli in his somewhat authobiographical political
novel "Coningsby" (1884) considered the Jews' position in society
so strong that he openly admitted to their great influence and even
alluded to the Communist Manifesto which was published four
years later.

Disraeli's final words in "Coningsby" are quite chilling:  " ... you see,
therefore, my Dear Coningsby, that the world is governed by
completely
different personages, than as it is imagined by those who are not
behind
the scenes."

Disraeli's extreme Jewish racism was politically manifest in the
structure he created for the British Empire.  In no way can all the
evils of the world as connected with the British Empire be blamed
on a bunch of dead white males, but rather on a bunch of stooges
of the Jewish agenda.

Rabbi Pinchas Hayman and his demands that Christians reject
Jesus as God is nothing new.  The Jew Arius proclaimed the same
message in the early history of Christianity.  What is new is his
claim that Christianity has Jewish roots. It does not !  Christ could
never ever be considered a Jew in the modern sense of the word.
Jesus
Christ happened to be Jewish only in the area of ethnicity, not in the
area of faith.

As true Christians, Christ was a follower of Mosaism and not
Judaism. In
fact, Christ registered his abhorrence of the Jewish establishment
on many
occassions.  It is no accident that Christianity flowered in the
Classical
civilizations of Greece and Rome.  True Christianity could never
develop
in the shadow of Talmudic idolatry and superstition. Jews' attempts
to tie
Christianity to Talmudic Judaism is the true Abomination of
Desolation.

Regarding the Noahide Laws, Christians became rightly alarmed
when the US Congress passed an agreement to be subjected to
the Noahide Laws.  (Whatever happened to the separation of
Church
and State ?!)  Christians knew that Jews wanted Christianity to be
categorized as idolatry and punishable by death according to the
Noahide Laws.  Rabbi Hayman proving these fears to be well
founded.

If one were to seriously define idolatry, Judaism would have to top
the list of idolatrous "religions".  In reality, the Jews do not worship
any god but themselves, no matter how many hundreds of
Talmudic rules and
regulations they may turn into a spectacle.

"Judaism cannot even be termed a religion in the true sense of the
word.
Rather, Judaism is nothing more than a tribal hate cult that has
raised
racketeering and all manner of sociopathy to the level of a national
identity."
  --  Bruno Hetmanski.

Abraham H. Foxman, National Director of the Anti-Defamation
League
of B'nai B'rith (New York) writing in ADL's "On the Frontline",
January
1994, page 2, said:

" ... The Holocaust is something different.  It is a singular event.
It is not simply one example of genocide but a near successful
attempt on the life of God's chosen children and, thus, on God
Himself. It
is an event that is the antithesis of Creation as recorded in the
Bible;
and like its direct opposite, which is relived weekly with the
Sabbath and
yearly with the Torah, it must be remembered from generation to
generation."
  --  End of quote by Foxman.

As exemplifying idolatry the above quote needs no comment.

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Subject: [13texan] The Star of David
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 23:11:12 EDT
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The Star of David in Shiloh

By James Templeton

This remarkable formation during the eclipse occurred over Shiloh, which was
made desolate when the temple became Ichabod. The Philistines had captured
the Ark of the Covenant. This now surely forebodes judgement in the so-called
Promised Land. The Star of David is an occult symbol. Its appearance in
Shiloh reminds us of the event that took place when the Priests desecrated
the tabernacle, so that His glory departed.

Eclipse from Eli on 11th August at 14.15 hours.

This is recorded in 1 Samuel 4:10-22, "And the Philistines fought, and Israel
was smitten, and they fled every man into his tent: and there was a very
great slaughter; for there fell of Israel thirty thousand footmen. And the
ark of God was taken; and the two sons of Eli, Hophni and Phinehas, were
slain. And there ran a man of Benjamin out of the army, and came to Shiloh
the same day with his clothes rent, and with earth upon his head. And when he
came, lo, Eli sat upon a seat by the wayside watching: for his heart trembled
for the ark of God. And when the man came into the city, and told [it], all
the city cried out. And when Eli heard the noise of the crying, he said, What
[meaneth] the noise of this tumult? And the man came in hastily, and told
Eli. Now Eli was ninety-and eight years old; and his eyes were dim, that he
could not see. And the man said unto Eli, I [am] he that came out of the
army, and I fled to day out of the army. And he said, What is there done, my
son? And the messenger answered and said Israel is fled before the
Philistines, and there hath been also a great slaughter among the people, and
thy two sons also, Hophni and Phinehas are dead, and the ark of God is taken.
And it came to pass, when he made mention of the ark of God, that he fell
from off the seat backward by the side of the gate, and his neck brake, and
he died: for he was an old man, and heavy. And he had judged Israel forty
years. And his daughter in law, Phinehas' wife, was with child, [near] to be
delivered: and when she heard the tidings that the ark of God was taken, and
that her father in law and her husband were dead, she bowed herself and
travailed; for her pains came upon her. And about the time of her death the
women that stood by her said unto her, fear not, for thou hast born a son.
But she answered not; neither did she regard [it]. And she named the child
Ichabod, saying, The glory is departed from Israel: because the ark of God
was taken, and because of her father in law and her husband. And she said the
glory is departed from Israel: for the ark of God is taken."

There is talk about a Phinehas ministry, but we are considering one of Eli's
two wicked sons, who had literally turned the temple into a brothel. Their
old father, Eli, knew this, and warned them, but they refused to heed him.
YHWH condemned him through the child Samuel, for not expelling them from the
Priesthood. The crimes they had committed legally demanded the death penalty.
In Ulster many Protestants are prepared to sell their heritage for peace at
any price. The Chamber of Commerce and the Ministers of the large
Denominations are the same. They feel quite happy worshipping and praying
together with Roman Catholics in their Chapels or Churches. A true Protestant
should know that in every Chapel the wafer-god is in that compartment
regarded as the Most Holy Place. These people are playing at churches and
acting like Phinehas, who looked upon the Ark as having supernatural power,
and failed to seek the Holy one of Israel in prayer. It may take civil war to
remind these ministers of their heritage.

The Phinehas ministry describes those who use the church for their own
convenience. Eli's sons were desperate, for the Philistines were winning the
battle, so without guidance they brought the Ark of the Covenant on to the
battlefield. Instead of bringing Israel the deliverance they so badly need,
it was captured by the enemy. When Eli heard this he fell backwards and his
neck was broken. His daughter-in-law heard about all that had happened and
the death of her husband. She died after her son was born. Knowing the
circumstances she named him Ichabod, 350 'Iy-kabowd (ee-kaw-bode'); from 336
and 3519; (there is) no glory, i.e. inglorious; Ikabod, a son of Phineas:
KJV-I-chabod.

We could say the Promised Land was stolen from Israel-Britain or Ephraim,
also nicknamed John Bull, after Ephraim's symbol of the bullock. They are
also called Saxon fulfilling, Genesis 21:12 "And God said unto Abraham, Let
it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy
bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for
in Isaac shall thy seed be called." This is confirmed in Romans 9:7 "Neither,
because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac
shall thy seed be called." It is again confirmed in Hebrews 11:18 "Of whom it
was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called." They are therefore Isaac's
sons or Saxons.

The Ashenazim and Zionist Idumaean terrorists stole the land from Isaac's
sons to whom it belonged. At this time they fulfilled Ezekiel 11:15 "Son of
man, thy brethren, [even] thy brethren, the men of thy kindred, and all the
house of Israel wholly, [are] they unto whom the inhabitants of Jerusalem
have said, Get you far from the LORD: unto us is this land given in
possession."

The six-sided Star of David is an occult symbol. In World War I Germany used
the Swastika, another occult symbol. When the angels of Mons first appeared
the high ranking German officers were very puzzled because they were in white
and had white horses. The Germans thought they were a Colonial Army. The
Germans were winning the war. When they saw this great army in white on white
horses, the officer commanding said, "Only these crazy British would march
like this to be killed like the dogs they are!" The Germans hailed them with
bullets that had no effect as they continued marching. Finally the Germans
fled, leaving a trail of weaponry. It was not the British or the Americans
who won that war but the angels of Mons. At that time all the Germans were
Israelites, and World War I started Jacob's trouble in 1914, Jeremiah 30:7
"Alas! for that day [is] great, so that none [is] like it: it [is] even the
time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it."

We all know that the Armistice was on the eleventh day, of the eleventh hour
of the eleventh month of 1918. The Promised Land came under British control
when the Turks surrendered the city on 9th December 1917. This is remarkable
because the Turks are also Edomites, yet they were never able to build houses
and make the land fruitful with parks and trees as the Zionists have done

Multitudes of Jews are now immigrating to Israel from Russia. This has
angered Orthodox Jews and the few Sephardic Jews from Spain and those who
have always lived in Israel.  All these Eastern European Jews are descendants
of the Khazars, and mostly atheists. If a Jew in Israel becomes a Christian
he is in danger of losing his citizenship, yet Jewish atheists are legally
made welcome.

The reason they are now in the Promised Land this is to fulfil prophecy,
Malachi 1:3-4, "And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage
waste for the dragons of the wilderness. Whereas Edom saith, We are
impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith
the LORD of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall
call them, The border of wickedness, and, the people against whom the LORD
hath indignation for ever." Here YHWH says they build which they have, "but
also that He will throw everything down. When all the facts are known, it
will be seen that they are indeed the border of wickedness."

This has also happened to once more fulfil Isaac's prediction concerning his
eldest son in

Genesis 27:39-40, "And Isaac his father answered and said unto him,
Behold,thy dwelling shall be the fatness of the earth, and of the dew of
heaven from above; And by thy sword shalt thou live, and shalt serve thy
brother; and it shall come to pass when thou shalt have the dominion, that
thou shalt break his yoke from off thy neck." Esau under the name and yoke of
Zionism is building cities and houses in Israel. They are free from the yoke
of true Israel, represented by Great Britain and America.

Jesus spoke concerning Edom in Luke 19:27 "But those mine enemies, which
would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay [them] before
me." Judas Iscariot and those who rejected Jesus were all Edomites forcibly
converted to Babylonian Judaism by the Maccabees when they lived in Syria.
They had to become Jews and be circumcised or else forfeit their lives. By
the time of Jesus they had full control of even the temple. The High Priests,
Annas and Caiaphas were both Edomites as was King Herod the Great, and his
son Herod, that fox who ruled Galilee, Luke 13:32 And he said unto them, Go
ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and
to morrow, and the third [day] I shall be perfected."

Herod Antipas, "that fox," was the son of Herod the Great and Malthace, a
Samaritan woman. Half Idumaean, half Samaritan, he had therefore not a drop
of Judah's blood in his veins, and "Galilee of the Gentiles" seemed a fit
dominion for such a prince. He ruled as "tetrarch" of Galilee and Peraea Luke
3:1 "Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius
Pilate being governor of Judaea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his
brother Philip tetrarch of Ituraea and of the region of Trachonitis, and
Lysanias the tetrarch of Abilene," from 4 BC till 39 AD.

It is in their genes to reject Christ, as it is with the Canaanites,
Phoenicians and Philistines, who are all Hebrews but not Israelites in
Ireland. They hate anything British, because Britain is Israel.

This sign in the sky tells us to obey Luke 21:25-32, "And there shall be
signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth
distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's
hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are
coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall
they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. And
when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your
heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. And he spake to them a parable;
Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; When they now shoot forth, ye see and
know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. So likewise ye, when
ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at
hand. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be
fulfilled."

The fig tree which Jesus cursed is the symbol of Jewry. The fruitful fig tree
will be Judah (Scotland and Ulster). Westminster Abbey was desecrated by
syncretism, the worship of Pagan Religions and the use of the pulpit by the
late Cardinal Hume. The Queen controls Westminster Abbey, and since the
removal of Jacob's Pillar Stone, or "Lia Fail," "The Stone of Destiny," from
the Coronation Chair, the British Royal Family have experienced terrible
judgements, and Divine Protection has seemingly been removed from them. They
need our prayers. When the Kingdom was divided, Israel had all the tribes
except Benjamin, for David's sake. This means Jacob's Pillar stone is no
longer in the Kingdom because the Psalmist writes in Psalm 114:1-2, "When
Israel went out of Egypt, the house of Jacob from a people of strange
language; Judah was his sanctuary, [and] Israel his dominion."

The true fig tree is therefore Scotland in particular. Hoping to win the next
election, Prime Minister John Major agreed to permit the Stone of Destiny to
be moved from its home in Westminster Abbey to Scotland. On St Andrews Day,
30th November 1996, Scotland's coronation stone, the Stone of Destiny, was
installed in Edinburgh Castle. About 10,000 people lined the Royal Mile to
watch the procession of dignitaries and troops escort the stone from Holyrood
Palace to the castle. In a service at St Giles cathedral the Church of
Scotland Moderator, the Right Reverend John MacIndoe, formally accepted the
stone's return saying it would "strengthen the proud distinctiveness of the
people of Scotland"

Once inside the castle the stone was laid on an oak table before the grand
fireplace of the early 16th century Great Hall. The Scottish Secretary of
State Michael Forsyth ceremoniously received it from Prince Andrew, who was
representing the Queen.

    Even more interesting was the election of the Scottish Parliament elected
on 6 May 1999, reconvened after a 292 year gap on 12 May 1999, and assumed
its full powers after the official opening by the Queen on 1 July 1999.
Surely this once more represents the budding of the leaves of the fig tree,
and all the trees which are the nations. Tony Blair considers this to be "The
Scottish Assembly," but the people of Scotland call it "The Scottish
Parliament." The Lord says in Matthew 24:32-36, "Now learn a parable of the
fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know
that summer [is] nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things,
know that it is near, [even] at the doors. Verily I say unto you, This
generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Heaven and
earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and
hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

It is our privilege to be His watchmen, and to us in particular He say,
Isaiah 21:11-12, Isaiah 21:11 "The burden of Dumah. He calleth to me out of
Seir, Watchman, what of the night? Watchman, what of the night? The watchman
said, The morning cometh, and also the night: if ye will enquire, enquire ye:
return, come." We need to be like the men of Issachar in  1 Chronicles 12:32
"And of the children of Issachar, which were men that had understanding of
the times, to know what Israel ought to do; the heads of them were two
hundred; and all their brethren were at their commandment." No matter what
our view of prophecy and the future, if like these men we have an
understanding of the times so that we know what to do, we can prepare and be
ready come what may.

Thank you Pastor for these great words of wisdom and I took the liberty to
post them at Willie's other website 13texan@egroups.com Please feel free to
post the same messages over there too. Through some sort of treachorous act,
Willie has been moved off of his own list and then Jews have posted their
nonsense on this site.



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Subject: [13texan] Fwd: All Christians anti-semitic??
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 23:37:27 EDT
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    More Reason to deny the Holohoax and the Talmud...Under no other name can
salvation be found than the name of JESUS....JESUS....JESUS

In a message dated 9/7/99 10:33:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, reiver@tca.net
writes:

<< POLISH-AMERICAN PUBLIC RELATIONS COMMITTEE
 Dana I. Alvi - Chairwoman  P. O.  Box  3206
 Tel & Fax  310 - 829 -1527 Santa Monica, CA. 90408
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 December 12, 1998

 Give up JESUS AS GOD

 Below is an excerpt from the Australian Jewish News, Melbourne
 Edition,
 Vol. 62, No. 43 - Friday, July 26, 1996, page 9, followed by
 commentaries
 by Bruno Hetmanski, Rye, NY.

 QUOTE:    "Christians and Jews Christians have to make choice -
  "either retain their present belief system and be antisemitic
  or form a partnership with the Jewish people."

 This is the view of Bar-Ilan University's Rabbi Dr. Pinchas Hayman,
 who is active in Jewish-Christian dialogue and in encouraging
 modern
 Christianity to return to its Jewish roots by observing the Seven
 Noahide
 Laws.

 "As long as Christians keep Jesus as God, they will be antisemitic
 because
 that belief must lead them to believe that those who reject Jesus
 reject
 the God", he told the Australian Jewish News.

 "That's how the process of satanising the Jews began.  That belief
 is the
 root cause of 1500 years of the Christian idolatrous antisemitism
 which
 led to Holocaust."

 Proficient in New Testament Studies and Classical Greek, Dr.
 Hayman
 noted that at least five American churches have given up belief in
 Jesus."

   --   --   --  End of quoted Australian Jewish News.  --   --   --

 The above citation is yet another example of Jewish obnoxiousness
 taken to even greater heights (or depths) than we have come to
 expect
 through sorry experience.  First of all this vague inference that any
 criticism of Jews would result in a "Holocaust", is a rather warn out
 and
 groundless argument that should not be given any credence.
 Secondly, the
 big lie that Christianity brought on what the Jews claim to be the
 "Holocaust" is just as easy to refute as the Jews' claim of 6 million
 casualties.

 The Jews have used the shock value of their outrageous lies and
 accusations to stun their victims into silence and submission, and
 so far this tactic has worked.  However, the Jews' accusations have
 not stood the test of time or public scrutiny, and an angry world
 has come
 to realize that very little of the Jews' claims are true.  In fact, one
 can usually arrive at the truth regarding the Jews by postulating the
 exact opposite of whatever they happen to be proclaiming or any
 issue.

 Unfortunately, the Jews have extorted QUADRILLION dollars from
 the
 world with their "Holocaust" scams, before some serious questions
 about their hoaxes have begun to be raised by significant numbers
 of
 people.

 The Jews have brainwashed the world into believing that any
 criticism of
 the Jews is both irrational and totally unrelated to the Jews' own
 behaviors.  The Jews' assertion that the deification of Jesus Christ
 is
 the root of all anti-Semitism is another one of their big lies.  Jews
 have
 stereotyped Christian attitudes in order to show themselves in the
 best
 light and to draw attention from the types of their own behaviors that
 deserve resounding condemnation.

 Christianity cannot be blamed for the "Holocaust".  What caused
 the
 "Holocaust" was the Jews' own manipulation of the Germanic
 psyche
 in the creation of a Judaized Protestantism that was contaminated
 with
 Jewish barbarism.  The resulting religion and world view has nothing
 whatsoever to do with the Christianity which sprang from Classical
 Latin
 Culture.

 The Jews capitalized upon the northern European Germanic
 disaproval
 of many aspects of the mediterranean classical culture in which
 Christianity was perfected.  These misgivings drove the Reformation
 to a greater degree that theological niceties.

 The flattery and influence of the Jews helped in effectively de-
 Christianizing, Judaizing, secularizing and nationalizing what once
 was the dominant religion (Roman Catholicism) into a specific world
 view.  That world view which resonated with the Germans' political
 ambitions effectively turned White-Anglo-Saxson Protestants into
 a life support system for the global Jewish agenda.  This agenda
 included a resurgence of the slave trade which had been
 suppressed
 by Classical Christianity.  In addition, policies further
 disenfrancising
 serfs were instituted.  This Jewish agenda ultimately removed all
 due
 respect for the individual that had been carefully cultivated by
 Christianity based in Latin Classical Culture.

 Ultimately Judaized and secularized Protestantism negated the
 concept of a supernatural Kingdom of God as used to be
 exemplified
 by the Church.  What was eventually offered in its place was the
 temporal concept of the god-state. That kind of a world view was
 the very foundation of both Hitlerism and Marxism.

 There is not a single episode of Germanic military expansionism
 that did not ultimately benefit the Jews irrespective of German
 victory or defeat.  The history of our own century is full of examples
 of
 this.

 Christian theology has suffered much at the hands of the Jewish
 fifth columnists that were encouraged to leave the ghettos and
 infiltrate the general population by Moses Mendelssohn (1729-
 1786).

 At the beginning of the XIXth century assimilated Jews began to
 control universities to such an extent that they were professors of
 Protestant theology.  (At this time, they are professors of Catholic
 theology.)

 The first works which represent Christianity from the Talmudic
 point of view conceived by Jewish "converts" to Protestantism are:
 "The Life of Christ" ("Das Leben Jesu") by David Strauss,
 "The Essence of Christianity" ("Das Wessen Des Christentums")
  by Ludwig Feurbach,
 "Christ and the Cesars" ("Christus Und Die Casaren) by Bruno
 Baur.

 Much of this Judaized Protestant theology has made its way into
 the Catholic Church over the course of time.  The recent influx of
 many Jewish "converts" into the Catholic clergy has created a
 situation in which the Church has been softened up enough to
 agree with any demands placed on it by Jews.  In fact, a "convert"
 from Judaism, Eugene Fisher, has a pivotal role in the education of
 all priests in the United States.

 Despite all their wails and crocodile tears touting their alleged
 historic
 sufferings, Jews have turned out to have enjoyed much greater
 power
 influence and priviledges than they would want to be common
 knowledge. As
 far as persecution goes, the Jews were the first instigators of
 persecution of Christians.  (Paul of Tarsus presided over the
 execution of
 St. Stephen.)  Jews aided and abetted the persecution of
 Christians by
 various Roman Emperors.

 In this century alone, Jews have been directly involved in the
 persecution and deaths of hundreds of times more Christians
 than Jews ever perished at Christian hands.

 Everyone knows about the "Spanish Inquisition" which was an
 effort to curb the damage done by high ranking crypto-Jews in
 the Church hierarchy.  Lurid accounts of this process were the
 result of Jewish sour grapes.  Not many people are aware of the
 "Jewish Inquisition" in which crazed rabbis terrorized their
 communities for centuries, tormenting any Jew who had the
 slightest concilliatory or tolerant attitude towards Christians.

 Benjamin Disraeli in his somewhat authobiographical political
 novel "Coningsby" (1884) considered the Jews' position in society
 so strong that he openly admitted to their great influence and even
 alluded to the Communist Manifesto which was published four
 years later.

 Disraeli's final words in "Coningsby" are quite chilling:  " ... you see,
 therefore, my Dear Coningsby, that the world is governed by
 completely
 different personages, than as it is imagined by those who are not
 behind
 the scenes."

 Disraeli's extreme Jewish racism was politically manifest in the
 structure he created for the British Empire.  In no way can all the
 evils of the world as connected with the British Empire be blamed
 on a bunch of dead white males, but rather on a bunch of stooges
 of the Jewish agenda.

 Rabbi Pinchas Hayman and his demands that Christians reject
 Jesus as God is nothing new.  The Jew Arius proclaimed the same
 message in the early history of Christianity.  What is new is his
 claim that Christianity has Jewish roots. It does not !  Christ could
 never ever be considered a Jew in the modern sense of the word.
 Jesus
 Christ happened to be Jewish only in the area of ethnicity, not in the
 area of faith.

 As true Christians, Christ was a follower of Mosaism and not
 Judaism. In
 fact, Christ registered his abhorrence of the Jewish establishment
 on many
 occassions.  It is no accident that Christianity flowered in the
 Classical
 civilizations of Greece and Rome.  True Christianity could never
 develop
 in the shadow of Talmudic idolatry and superstition. Jews' attempts
 to tie
 Christianity to Talmudic Judaism is the true Abomination of
 Desolation.

 Regarding the Noahide Laws, Christians became rightly alarmed
 when the US Congress passed an agreement to be subjected to
 the Noahide Laws.  (Whatever happened to the separation of
 Church
 and State ?!)  Christians knew that Jews wanted Christianity to be
 categorized as idolatry and punishable by death according to the
 Noahide Laws.  Rabbi Hayman proving these fears to be well
 founded.

 If one were to seriously define idolatry, Judaism would have to top
 the list of idolatrous "religions".  In reality, the Jews do not worship
 any god but themselves, no matter how many hundreds of
 Talmudic rules and
 regulations they may turn into a spectacle.

 "Judaism cannot even be termed a religion in the true sense of the
 word.
 Rather, Judaism is nothing more than a tribal hate cult that has
 raised
 racketeering and all manner of sociopathy to the level of a national
 identity."
   --  Bruno Hetmanski.

 Abraham H. Foxman, National Director of the Anti-Defamation
 League
 of B'nai B'rith (New York) writing in ADL's "On the Frontline",
 January
 1994, page 2, said:

 " ... The Holocaust is something different.  It is a singular event.
 It is not simply one example of genocide but a near successful
 attempt on the life of God's chosen children and, thus, on God
 Himself. It
 is an event that is the antithesis of Creation as recorded in the
 Bible;
 and like its direct opposite, which is relived weekly with the
 Sabbath and
 yearly with the Torah, it must be remembered from generation to
 generation."
   --  End of quote by Foxman.

 As exemplifying idolatry the above quote needs no comment.

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Subject: [13texan] All Christians anti-semitic??
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 02:32:24 -0000
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POLISH-AMERICAN PUBLIC RELATIONS COMMITTEE
Dana I. Alvi - Chairwoman       P. O.  Box  3206
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December 12, 1998

Give up JESUS AS GOD

Below is an excerpt from the Australian Jewish News, Melbourne
Edition,
Vol. 62, No. 43 - Friday, July 26, 1996, page 9, followed by
commentaries
by Bruno Hetmanski, Rye, NY.

QUOTE:    "Christians and Jews Christians have to make choice -
 "either retain their present belief system and be antisemitic
 or form a partnership with the Jewish people."

This is the view of Bar-Ilan University's Rabbi Dr. Pinchas Hayman,
who is active in Jewish-Christian dialogue and in encouraging
modern
Christianity to return to its Jewish roots by observing the Seven
Noahide
Laws.

"As long as Christians keep Jesus as God, they will be antisemitic
because
that belief must lead them to believe that those who reject Jesus
reject
the God", he told the Australian Jewish News.

"That's how the process of satanising the Jews began.  That belief
is the
root cause of 1500 years of the Christian idolatrous antisemitism
which
led to Holocaust."

Proficient in New Testament Studies and Classical Greek, Dr.
Hayman
noted that at least five American churches have given up belief in
Jesus."

  --   --   --  End of quoted Australian Jewish News.  --   --   --

The above citation is yet another example of Jewish obnoxiousness
taken to even greater heights (or depths) than we have come to
expect
through sorry experience.  First of all this vague inference that any
criticism of Jews would result in a "Holocaust", is a rather warn out
and
groundless argument that should not be given any credence.
Secondly, the
big lie that Christianity brought on what the Jews claim to be the
"Holocaust" is just as easy to refute as the Jews' claim of 6 million
casualties.

The Jews have used the shock value of their outrageous lies and
accusations to stun their victims into silence and submission, and
so far this tactic has worked.  However, the Jews' accusations have
not stood the test of time or public scrutiny, and an angry world
has come
to realize that very little of the Jews' claims are true.  In fact, one
can usually arrive at the truth regarding the Jews by postulating the
exact opposite of whatever they happen to be proclaiming or any
issue.

Unfortunately, the Jews have extorted QUADRILLION dollars from
the
world with their "Holocaust" scams, before some serious questions
about their hoaxes have begun to be raised by significant numbers
of
people.

The Jews have brainwashed the world into believing that any
criticism of
the Jews is both irrational and totally unrelated to the Jews' own
behaviors.  The Jews' assertion that the deification of Jesus Christ
is
the root of all anti-Semitism is another one of their big lies.  Jews
have
stereotyped Christian attitudes in order to show themselves in the
best
light and to draw attention from the types of their own behaviors that
deserve resounding condemnation.

Christianity cannot be blamed for the "Holocaust".  What caused
the
"Holocaust" was the Jews' own manipulation of the Germanic
psyche
in the creation of a Judaized Protestantism that was contaminated
with
Jewish barbarism.  The resulting religion and world view has nothing
whatsoever to do with the Christianity which sprang from Classical
Latin
Culture.

The Jews capitalized upon the northern European Germanic
disaproval
of many aspects of the mediterranean classical culture in which
Christianity was perfected.  These misgivings drove the Reformation
to a greater degree that theological niceties.

The flattery and influence of the Jews helped in effectively de-
Christianizing, Judaizing, secularizing and nationalizing what once
was the dominant religion (Roman Catholicism) into a specific world
view.  That world view which resonated with the Germans' political
ambitions effectively turned White-Anglo-Saxson Protestants into
a life support system for the global Jewish agenda.  This agenda
included a resurgence of the slave trade which had been
suppressed
by Classical Christianity.  In addition, policies further
disenfrancising
serfs were instituted.  This Jewish agenda ultimately removed all
due
respect for the individual that had been carefully cultivated by
Christianity based in Latin Classical Culture.

Ultimately Judaized and secularized Protestantism negated the
concept of a supernatural Kingdom of God as used to be
exemplified
by the Church.  What was eventually offered in its place was the
temporal concept of the god-state. That kind of a world view was
the very foundation of both Hitlerism and Marxism.

There is not a single episode of Germanic military expansionism
that did not ultimately benefit the Jews irrespective of German
victory or defeat.  The history of our own century is full of examples
of
this.

Christian theology has suffered much at the hands of the Jewish
fifth columnists that were encouraged to leave the ghettos and
infiltrate the general population by Moses Mendelssohn (1729-
1786).

At the beginning of the XIXth century assimilated Jews began to
control universities to such an extent that they were professors of
Protestant theology.  (At this time, they are professors of Catholic
theology.)

The first works which represent Christianity from the Talmudic
point of view conceived by Jewish "converts" to Protestantism are:
"The Life of Christ" ("Das Leben Jesu") by David Strauss,
"The Essence of Christianity" ("Das Wessen Des Christentums")
 by Ludwig Feurbach,
"Christ and the Cesars" ("Christus Und Die Casaren) by Bruno
Baur.

Much of this Judaized Protestant theology has made its way into
the Catholic Church over the course of time.  The recent influx of
many Jewish "converts" into the Catholic clergy has created a
situation in which the Church has been softened up enough to
agree with any demands placed on it by Jews.  In fact, a "convert"
from Judaism, Eugene Fisher, has a pivotal role in the education of
all priests in the United States.

Despite all their wails and crocodile tears touting their alleged
historic
sufferings, Jews have turned out to have enjoyed much greater
power
influence and priviledges than they would want to be common
knowledge. As
far as persecution goes, the Jews were the first instigators of
persecution of Christians.  (Paul of Tarsus presided over the
execution of
St. Stephen.)  Jews aided and abetted the persecution of
Christians by
various Roman Emperors.

In this century alone, Jews have been directly involved in the
persecution and deaths of hundreds of times more Christians
than Jews ever perished at Christian hands.

Everyone knows about the "Spanish Inquisition" which was an
effort to curb the damage done by high ranking crypto-Jews in
the Church hierarchy.  Lurid accounts of this process were the
result of Jewish sour grapes.  Not many people are aware of the
"Jewish Inquisition" in which crazed rabbis terrorized their
communities for centuries, tormenting any Jew who had the
slightest concilliatory or tolerant attitude towards Christians.

Benjamin Disraeli in his somewhat authobiographical political
novel "Coningsby" (1884) considered the Jews' position in society
so strong that he openly admitted to their great influence and even
alluded to the Communist Manifesto which was published four
years later.

Disraeli's final words in "Coningsby" are quite chilling:  " ... you see,
therefore, my Dear Coningsby, that the world is governed by
completely
different personages, than as it is imagined by those who are not
behind
the scenes."

Disraeli's extreme Jewish racism was politically manifest in the
structure he created for the British Empire.  In no way can all the
evils of the world as connected with the British Empire be blamed
on a bunch of dead white males, but rather on a bunch of stooges
of the Jewish agenda.

Rabbi Pinchas Hayman and his demands that Christians reject
Jesus as God is nothing new.  The Jew Arius proclaimed the same
message in the early history of Christianity.  What is new is his
claim that Christianity has Jewish roots. It does not !  Christ could
never ever be considered a Jew in the modern sense of the word.
Jesus
Christ happened to be Jewish only in the area of ethnicity, not in the
area of faith.

As true Christians, Christ was a follower of Mosaism and not
Judaism. In
fact, Christ registered his abhorrence of the Jewish establishment
on many
occassions.  It is no accident that Christianity flowered in the
Classical
civilizations of Greece and Rome.  True Christianity could never
develop
in the shadow of Talmudic idolatry and superstition. Jews' attempts
to tie
Christianity to Talmudic Judaism is the true Abomination of
Desolation.

Regarding the Noahide Laws, Christians became rightly alarmed
when the US Congress passed an agreement to be subjected to
the Noahide Laws.  (Whatever happened to the separation of
Church
and State ?!)  Christians knew that Jews wanted Christianity to be
categorized as idolatry and punishable by death according to the
Noahide Laws.  Rabbi Hayman proving these fears to be well
founded.

If one were to seriously define idolatry, Judaism would have to top
the list of idolatrous "religions".  In reality, the Jews do not worship
any god but themselves, no matter how many hundreds of
Talmudic rules and
regulations they may turn into a spectacle.

"Judaism cannot even be termed a religion in the true sense of the
word.
Rather, Judaism is nothing more than a tribal hate cult that has
raised
racketeering and all manner of sociopathy to the level of a national
identity."
  --  Bruno Hetmanski.

Abraham H. Foxman, National Director of the Anti-Defamation
League
of B'nai B'rith (New York) writing in ADL's "On the Frontline",
January
1994, page 2, said:

" ... The Holocaust is something different.  It is a singular event.
It is not simply one example of genocide but a near successful
attempt on the life of God's chosen children and, thus, on God
Himself. It
is an event that is the antithesis of Creation as recorded in the
Bible;
and like its direct opposite, which is relived weekly with the
Sabbath and
yearly with the Torah, it must be remembered from generation to
generation."
  --  End of quote by Foxman.

As exemplifying idolatry the above quote needs no comment.

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Subject: [13texan] Holohoax 1 by Willie Martin
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 23:42:57 EDT
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< From: Willie Martin 

     I realize that I am an uninvited guest in this conversation, but if you
 really want to know what we think of the HoloHoax and why we think so. I am
 sending several posts to the list, and if you wish to read them then so be
 it and then you decide for yourself; if you don't wish to read them then
 simply delete them. Willie

    More Jewish Lies Exposed!

    For more than fifty years, since the end of World War II, the Talmudic,
 Zionist Jews have sought to manipulate through Jewish Socialization, White
 Western public opinion by crying, "Poor, persecuted Jew," while
 systematically victimizing White Christian culture. This constitutes a
 perfect description of the Jewish Socialization or Jewish Socialism. Both
 atheistic, Jewish, Socialism and atheistic, Communist, Socialism are ideas
 predicated upon the practice of engineering society along atheistic and
 Jewish ideas. This has been the method of operation of the atheistic,
 Talmudic, Zionist Jew even before the first century or the time of Christ.

    The atheistic Jew has relentlessly sought to impose his materialistic,
 atheistic ideas upon the Western White man, both religious and political.
 He has systematically invaded the White Man's schools of theology, seeking
 to destroy any lingering first century ideas of Christianity, and in turn
 pervert Christianity against itself, enabling the Jew to use Christianity
 as a tool to destroy the White Race. Thus, Judeo-Christianity is nothing
 more than Judaized versions of so-called Christianity. This becomes a tool
 of the Jewish Socialist.

    "The Gnostics derived their leading doctrines and ideas from Plato and
 Philo, the Zend-avesta, the Kabbalah, and the Sacred books of India and
 Egypt; and thus introduced into the bosom of Christianity the cosmological
 and theosophical speculations, which had formed the larger portion of the
 ancient religions of the Orient, joined to those of the Egyptian, Greek,
 and Jewish doctrines, which the Neo-Platonists had equally adopted in the
 Occident..It is admitted that the cradle of Gnosticism is probably to be
 looked for in Syria and even in Palestine. Most of its expounders wrote in
 that corrupted form of the Greek used by the Hellenistic Jews...and there
 was a striking analogy between their doctrines and those of the
 Judeo-Egyptian Philo of Alexandria; itself the seat of three schools, at
 once philosophic and religious, the Greek, the Egyptian, and the Jewish.
 Pythagoras and Plato, the most mystical of the Grecian philosophers (the
 latter heir to the doctrines of the former), and who had traveled, the
 latter in Egypt, and the former in Phoenicia, India, and Persia, also
 taught the esoteric doctrine...The dominant doctrines of Plutonism were
 found in Gnosticism...
    The Jewish-Greek School of Alexandria is known only by two of its chiefs,
 Aristobulus and Philo, both Jews of Alexandria in Egypt. Belonging to Asia
 by its origin, to Egypt by its residence, to Greece by its language and
 studies, it strove to show that all truths embedded in the philosophies of
 other countries were transplanted thither from Palestine. Aristobulus
 declared that all the facts and details of the Jewish Scriptures were so
 many allegories concealing the most profound meanings, and that Plato had
 borrowed from them all his finest ideas.
    Philo, who lived a century after him, following the same theory,
 endeavored to show that the Hebrew writings, by their system of allegories,
 were the true source of all religions and philosophical doctrines.
 According to him, the literal meaning was for the vulgar alone...The Jews
 of Syria and Judea were the direct precursors of Gnosticism; and in their
 doctrines were ample Oriental elements.
    These Jews had had with the Orient, at two different periods, intimate
 relations, familiarizing them with the doctrines of Asia and especially of
 Chaldea and Persia...Living nearly two-thirds of a century, and many of
 them long afterward, in Mesopotamia, the cradle of their race; speaking the
 same language, and their children reared with those of the Chaldeans.
 Assyrians, Medes, and Persians, they necessarily adopted many of the
 doctrines of their conquerors...and these additions to the old doctrine
 were soon spread by the constant intercourse of commerce into Syria and
 Palestine...
    From Egypt or Persia the new Platonists borrowed the idea, and the
 Gnostics received it from them, that man, in his terrestrial career, is
 successively under the influence of the Moon, Mercury, Venus, Sun, Mars,
 Jupiter, and Saturn, until he finally reaches the Elysian Fields." (Morals
 and Dogmas, Albert Pike)

    The Jew has also systematically invaded the schools of learning. Today,
 the atheistic Jew continues to Jewish/socialize little, White, Christian
 children by teaching his atheistic and communistic holocaust (holohoax)
 propaganda in the American schools, all the while denying White, Christian
 Americans their freedom of speech and freedom to rebut or dispute the
 blatant Jewish liars who come to the American school system to tell their
 demonic lies, and thereby Jewish/socialize our American White children.

    "'The Jewish Establishment": 'In the early 1930s, Walter Duranty of the
 New York Times was in Moscow, covering Joe Stalin the way Joe Stalin wanted
 to be covered. To maintain favor and access, he expressly denied that there
 was famine in Ukraine even while millions of Ukrainian Christians were
 being starved into submission. For his work Duranty won the Pulitzer Prize
 for journalism. To this day, the Times remains the most magisterial and
 respectable of American newspapers.
    Now imagine that a major newspaper had had a correspondent in Berlin
 during roughly the same period who hobnobbed with Hitler, portrayed him in
 a flattering light, and denied that Jews were being mistreated, thereby not
 only concealing, but materially assisting the regime's persecution. Would
 that paper's respectability have been unimpaired several decades later?
    There you have an epitome of what is lamely called 'media bias.' The
 Western supporters of Stalin haven't just been excused; they have received
 the halo of victim hood for the campaign, in what liberals call 'the
 McCarthy era,' to get them out of the government, the education system, and
 respectable society itself.
    Not only persecution of Jews but any critical mention of Jewish power in
 the media and politics is roundly condemned as 'anti- Semitism.' But there
 isn't even a term of opprobrium for participation in the mass murders of
 Christians. Liberals still don't censure the Communist attempt to extirpate
 Christianity from Soviet Russia and its empire, and for good reason,
 liberals themselves, particularly Jewish liberals, are still trying to
 uproot Christianity from America.
    It's permissible to discuss the power of every other group, from the Black
 Muslims to the Christian Right, but the much greater power of the Jewish
 establishment is off-limits. That, in fact, is the chief measure of its
 power: its ability to impose its own taboos while tearing down the taboos
 of others, you might almost say its prerogative of offending. You can read
 articles in Jewish-controlled publications from the Times to Commentary
 blaming Christianity for the Holocaust or accusing Pope Pius XII of
 indifference to it, but don't look for articles in any major publication
 that wants to stay in business examining the Jewish role in Communism and
 liberalism, however temperately." (The Jewish Establishment, Joseph Sobran,
 September 1995 issue)

    The holocaust is taught in schools, and the Jew is allowed to come in and
 teach his religious views in the context of teaching about the holocaust,
 and he influences our children into believing that Jews are the chosen
 people of God. In reality, true White Christians are the Chosen People of
God.

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Subject: [13texan] Holohoax 2 by Willie Martin
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 23:47:02 EDT
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From: Willie Martin 

    Today, at this late hour of the history of White Christianity, the Jew
has sought to brainwash uneducated and ignorant generations into the
misplaced pity and sorrow of what can only be called The Jewish Holocaust
Religion. Jews are allowed to teach people to hate Jesus Christ and blaspheme
Almighty God, yet they are admired and pitied by most people in the world,
while they tell blatant lies about the so-called German "death camps." These
lies cannot be proven scientifically and are lies designed only to be cheap,
Jewish public relation propaganda to invoke pity for the Jews, while they
pick the American White Man's pockets and raid White America like a corporate
lawyer.

    The pity heaped on them is misplaced pity that should be directed to
Jesus Christ, as He was the only innocent person ever to walk the face of the
earth, and yet was put to death by the Jewish people. Now, however, even
though the Jews believe and teach in their synagogues that Jesus is boiling
in excrement in Hell, to call a Jew a Christ-killer is an offense that has
put people in jail for much of their lives.

    The Holocaust He was first fabricated by the head of the KGB, the Jew
Lavrenty Beria. Since then, week after week, for almost fifty years, the
television, radio, and media have continued to brainwash the American public
with scores of historically inaccurate anti-Nazi and anti-German movies,
claiming a German conspiracy to commit genocide against the Jewish people.

    Yet, no conspiracy or so-called "Final Solution" has ever been proven to
have existed among the Nazi leadership. It is true that hundreds of thousands
of people died during World War II, and yes, a small percentage of them were
Jews. It is true that thousands died in the internment camps, many of whom
were confessed enemies of the national state. Some were gypsies, Communists,
Baptists, Masons, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, Germans, Poles, Czechs
and Frenchmen.

    The Jews have been exposed to claim that those non-Jews who died in the
camps were Jewish in order to further exaggerate the numbers of Jews who died
in concentration camps. It is very important, for the sake of truth, to
remember that the work or industrial camps were continuously exposed to
rampant diseases. At the time that these camps existed throughout Europe,
there were no magic drugs like our antibiotics. Most people in the European
camps died of dysentery, influenza, or perhaps hepatitis B, tuberculosis,
cholera, typhus, or even old age. So it may be said that while the majority
of deaths were of natural causes or disease, they were nevertheless premature
because of the war.

    Talking about numbers let us examine a few here:

    1). How long does it take to cremate a body?

    Answer: According to crematory operators today, it takes more about two
hours to completely cremate a body.

    2). How long did it take to cremate a body during World War II?

    Answer: Cremation was a relatively new thing in the early 40s and
therefore it took more than four hours to cremate a single body. It would
have been impossible to cremate more than one body at a time, for with more
bodies the time needed to create the bodies would increase with each body.
>From one body and four hours to three bodies and eight hours, four bodies and
12 hours and etc.

    3). How much residue and ashes are left after a body is cremated?

    Answer: Today there is about 10 to 12 pounds of residue, depending upon
the size of the body; and that is with the residue being run through a
grinder to reduce the larger bone fragments into smaller one. In the 40s
there would have been 40 to 50 pounds of residue and no grinding to reduce
the larger bone and meat fragments, so there would have no other reduction in
the size of the body.

    3). How much weight in ashes and bone fragments would it take to fill a
box car or hopper car?

    Answer: The European rail cars are about ½ the size of the ones in the
United States, then and now. So it would have taken about 20,000 pounds of
residue to fill a box car.

    4). How many men would it have taken to transfer the residue from the
ovens to the rail siding where they would have been loaded out on?

    Answer: With one man and one wheel borrow which would have held about 50
pounds of residue it would have taken about 200 hundred men to transfer the
20,000 pounds that would fill the box car. These men would have had to move
constantly and therefore would have had to be releaved every few hours to let
them rest so that they could work again. Thus the number of men would have to
be 600 at the rate of 200 men changing shifts every 8 hours.

    Now slave labor, as history has shown, is the worst sort of labor;
because there is no incentive to produce more and more. Instead the slaves
move less and less as time progresses. This would have added another 600 to
the work force thus causing the Germans to have use 1200 men for one box or
hopper car per day, just to move the residue from the ovens to the rail
sidings. Of course we have not taken into consideration the distance that the
men would have to travel with their wheel barrow; and thus would have added
substantually more men to the work force.

    5). How many men would have taken to load the residue in the box or
hopper cars after the transfer from the ovens?

    Answer: Due to the fact that the European cars are about ½ the size of
American ones, it would have take at least 4 men on each side of the car
shoveling the residue up into the car. Then it would have taken 4 men, two on
each side to throw the residue from the door to the back of the car. This
would have taken at least 8 men, and since they would have to be relieved
every few hours that would increase the work forces from 8 to 24 men. Then
just as we had to double the work force because of the slowdown in the
movement of the slave labor, it would therefore take 72 men to load the cars.
Again we are not taking into consideration the sickness and accidents which
would necessarily happen because of humans being just that: humans. Which
would also increase the work force.

    6). How many cars could be loaded at the same time? And how many cars
would a siding hold?

    Answer: Only about 10 cars could be loaded at one time because if more
than that were loaded, the workers would be getting into each others way,
thus causing both a slowdown and additional workers to the work force.
Therefore, it would take about 1300 men to load 10 cars in one days 24 hours
time.

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Subject: [13texan] Holohoax 3 by Willie Martin
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 23:58:26 EDT
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    7). How many pounds of residue would 4,000,000 bodies produce?

    Answer: At the rate of 40 to 50 pounds per body; and we will use the
lesser weight of 40 pounds, it would produce 4,000,000 x 40 pounds =
160,000,000 millions of pounds of residue.

    8). How many rail cars would it take to move 160,000,000 pounds of
residue?

    Answer: At the rate of 20,000 pounds per car, and that is really filling
the car up because the car would probably not hold more than 15,000 pounds,
it would take about 16,000 cars. Which would not have been possible because
the allied bombers were bombing everything in sight day and night and would
have destroyed that many cars in raids.

    9). How long would it take at the rate of 10 cars per day to move 16000
cars?

    Answer: It wouldhave taken 16000 days.

    10). How many years wouldit have taken to move these cars at the rate
above mentioned?

    Answer: it would have taken 16000 days divided by 365 days in a year = 54
years.

    Therefore, it would not have been possible to cremate 4,000,000 people
and move their asshes and residue in 3 years time.

    The movies give the false impression that only Jews were interned in the
work and labor camps. The Jews have claimed hundreds of thousands of non-Jews
in order to fabricate their numbers and claim that 6 million Jews purposely
were killed at the hands of the SS, simply because they were Jewish. In
recent years, whenever a White Christian would speak up to point out the
irrefutable and blatant facts about the atheistic Jewish Holocaust Myth. The
Jews have done everything they can to stifle the American man's freedom of
speech in his own country.

    This is a one-sided presentation of World War II that belittles the
American fighting man's part in the war and gives undue credit to the Jews
and exaggerates the Jewish deaths at the expense of other more deserving
minorities such as the Ukrainian people.

    As incredible as it may sound, if it can be proven beyond a shadow of a
doubt that the Jews themselves were responsible for the excessive and insane
bombing policies of the Americans and the British over Germany in World War
II, then that would mean that the Jews themselves are directly responsible
for the incredible numbers or deaths in the Nazi labor camps. For it is an
indisputable fact that what has been called the "atrocities" of the camps did
not occur until after the Allied bombers had destroyed the railway systems
that shipped food and medical supplies to these camps. If the Nazis had been
able to bomb the transportation systems of the Americans and prevent them
from shipping medicine and foodstuffs to the Japanese internees and German
prisoners of war in American concentration camps, then unsanitary living
conditions and malnutrition would certainly have had the same results in
extraordinary numbers of Japanese internees dying from dysentery and cholera.

    But as of this date, not a single American nor British soldier has been
tried for war crimes or crimes against humanity, even though thousands of
such incidents did occur in the American victimization of Japanese, Germans
and people of other nationalities during World War II.

    To fail to present an objective and truthful look at the events of World
War II is to fail to learn from the mistakes of that era. Today, Zionist and
Talmudic organized Jewry knowingly and willfully continue to present and
perpetuate atheistic, Communist propaganda only because it paints the Jews as
the victims of the Nazis. Many courageous Americans such as Senator Taft and
many Supreme Court Justices spoke out against the travesty of justice called
the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials against the leaders of the German government
after World War II.

    "World War II was a war to renew Jewish domination of Germany and Central
Europe and for the maintenance of the power and glory of the British/Jewish
Empire. The conspirators in America, England and France are responsible for
the greatest tragedy the world has ever known and their names will be
dishonored and execrated in history.
    It never would have started had not Roosevelt and the half Jew Bullitt
guaranteed to Britain and France all of America's resources, which meant,
first, repeal of our neutrality act and supplying them with munitions and
bombers without stint; second, in time the extension of unlimited credit;
third the use of our fleet in the Pacific to protect British, French and
Dutch interests; if these did not suffice for victory, then our young men as
air pilots and our fleet to be sent to Europe; and lastly, if World Jewry and
the British/Jewish Empire could not win without them, millions of our lads to
die in Europe's babbles.
    The premeditated killing of human beings by another, save in self
defense, is murder, a crime against Christianity, morality, humanity, and
civilization, and this applies with greatest guilt to the wholesale slaughter
by one nation of the people of another who have not attacked or harmed them.
After this illegal, secret plot was negotiated, Roosevelt, the Jews and the
war-mongers of this country, of England and France sought to overthrow the
Chamberlain government and to replace it with the Jews Churchill, Eden,
Hore-Belisha and Duff Cooper.
    They plotted to get Bonnet out of the French Cabinet and to substitute
the Jews Reynaud, Blum and Mandel. The ardent but unsuccessful courtship of
Stalin and Soviet Russia was insisted upon by Roosevelt, World Jewry and
war-mongers of America, England and France.
    One of the reasons for the Roosevelt/Eden plot to overthrow the
Chamberlain government and remove Bonnet from the French Cabinet was because
they would not agree to pay the price Stalin demanded to encircle and defeat
Germany. At Roosevelt's and the Jews' insistence, England and France
guaranteed the boundaries of Poland in order to encircle Germany and renew
Jewish control. This guarantee of the boundaries of Poland was the direct
cause of World War II, it knowingly necessitated it." (War! War! War!, by
Cincinnatus, pp. 188- 189)

    Many courageous and patriotic Americans knew that the so- called war
crimes and the changes against the German government officials were nothing
more than Communist propaganda designed to blame the Germans for many
Communist atrocities that Stalin had engineered and perpetrated. It is
certainly un-American to be afraid of the truth, and no truth-loving American
can possibly stand by and watch the Communist propaganda of World War II
continue to be taught in our public school systems.

    Today, fifty years after Adolf Hitler, there is hardly a week or a day
that goes by without an anti-Nazi film or propaganda movie being shown on
television channels that one would think they should be no longer political.
Moreover, the Jews have made Nazi memorabilia and Nazi member organizations a
big business in America. No true American can afford to stand by and allow
the Communist, Jewish Zionist, Antichrist Jews to continue imposing their
version of history and their atheistic values upon what was once a White
Christian Nation.

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Subject: [13texan] Holohoax 4 by Willie Martin
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 00:01:41 EDT
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From: Willie Martin 
    If the holocaust is to be discussed in our schools as legitimate history,
then let it be discussed objectively and truthfully, based upon fact instead
of Jewish fiction that is designed only to protect the reputation of Joe
Stalin and the Jews behind the Bolshevik revolution of world Communism. To
insist upon fair play is truly an American idea. If we must hear the Jews
side, let us also hear the Arabs' side. We Americans are innately hateful
toward anyone who seeks to rob us of our freedom of thought, but today that
is exactly what the atheistic, Communistic Jews, and Hollywood one-worlders
are seeking to do.

    Stifling freedom of speech through their Communist tactic of so- called
political correctness, they seek to brainwash the next generation of
Americans through drug abuse and relentless Communist propaganda. They seek
to create a police state wherein freedom of speech is completely stifled, and
when freedom of speech is a crime, soon freedom of thought also becomes a
crime.

    The Jews, through the ACLU and other Communist Jewish front groups have,
when it is convenient, defended freedom of speech as long as it is a
Communist or a dissenter seeking to tear down White America. But when the
shoe is on the other foot, they will not defend the rights of White,
Christian Americans, which our forefathers fought for and embodied in the
Bill of Rights and the Constitution. The Jews are currently using federal and
state money that they have conned form the American people to fund their one-
sided Communist views of World War II. So, in effect, every state sponsored
holocaust program is but another Jewish con game designed to rob the working
man and the American tax payer, while enslaving these White people's children
into Jewish Socialism.

    Think of this travesty of freedom in these terms. A group of atheistic,
Christ-hating, Devil-worshipers comes to your school system and demands the
right to teach your children their God- hating, atheistic values while making
no secret of their ulterior motives to undermine your Christian values and
your authority as a parent. In addition to this, these same Devil-worshiping
pagans claim that Nero of Rome was right to burn the Christians on crosses in
his nocturnal garden and to slaughter Christian women and children by
throwing them to the vicious, man-eating lions of the Roman circus. What if
these same people dared to say that the Jews were absolutely correct in
putting Jesus Christ to death and viciously murdering Him? Would you, as a
God-fearing person speak up against such an obvious abuse of American freedom?

    Well, that is exactly what the jews are doing throughout the school
systems of America by sending their Jewish evangelists into your classrooms
to preach the establishment of their holocaust religious cult. That is
exactly what the Jews have made of the Jewish deaths of WW II. They have used
the Nazi work camps as an excuse to extort billions of dollars from the
American tax payer, all in support of their Antichrist, world domination
philosophy known as Zionism, and all for the purpose of supporting the
illegal state of so- called Israel in Palestine.

    We Americans have no objection to the truth, but we do object to liars
and to half-truths being promoted in our school systems for the express
purpose of manipulating and brainwashing our children. Let us remember that
the school teachers and the Jews who sponsor these programs do not invite the
local Neo-Nazis to defend their position, nor do they invite the scholars of
The Institute for Historical Review, whose address is POB 1306, Torrance, CA
90505. They only present one-sided arguments based upon fabrications and lies
first put forward by the Stalinist Communist regime, namely the Jew head of
the KGB Lavrenty Beria, mentioned earlier.

    There are many honest and competent historians who disagree with the
Communist line of propaganda. One outstanding example of orchestrated,
modern, Jewish propaganda is the Hollywood versions of the Simon Wiesenthal
stories. Mr. Wiesenthal is portrayed by the Jewish Hollywood crowd as the
foremost Nazi hunter in the world. He is literally presented as a Jewish
hero, and as a wonderful humanitarian, when in fact, the man is a liar and a
hypocrite. He has openly lied and confused the truth, but our children have
never been taught the truth about this lying Jew agent, who even admitted
that he was fighting for the Communists. What our children are taught is that
the Simon Wiesenthal Center was named after this "great man," and that two
American presidents awarded this liar with honorary awards for his so-called
work in tracking down Nazis.

    Our children are not taught that this man has consistency lied in his
report about what he saw during WW II. In 1948, this lying Jew testified
under oath that from 1939-1941 he was a "Soviet Chief engineer working in
Lvov and Odessa." But in his very own biography, he claims that he was a
"mechanic in a factory that produced bedsprings" during those same years.
This example may seem trivial, but Wiesenthal has lied about far worse than
this. For example, Wiesenthal published a book in 1946 in which he presented
his view of history, which he supposedly obtained facts  from the confession
of Mauthausen Commandant Franz Zieris.

    In his book, he claimed that four million people were gassed at this
camp. Later, he told USA Today in April, 1983, "I was one of 34 prisoners
alive out of 150,000 who had been put there." Not only did he lie twice about
this number, he lied a third time in his own autobiography, in which he
wrote: "almost 3,000 prisoners died in Maunhausen after the Americans
liberated us on May 5, 1945."

    This is just like a Communist Jew to lie when it suits his needs. Worse,
Wiesenthal has been allowed to teach our children these lies, without any
questioning. Why has this Jew, who has consistently lied in print, never been
questioned? Why have our children not been presented with the fact that this
man has been consistently proven to be a liar?

    Finally, the most flagrant propaganda that has been spread by Wiesenthal
is the "human soap" myth. The myth is that Germans used the fat form dead
Jews to make soap. Wiesenthal wrote in Der Neue Weg, an Austrian Jew paper
that 900,000 dead Jews were shipped to a factory and used to make soap.
Wiesenthal claimed that the letters RIF on German soap made at that time
stood for Rein juedisches Fett, which means "Pure Jewish Fat." In fact, the
letters stood for Reichstelle Fuer industrielle Fettversorgung or "National
Center for Industrial Fat Provisioning." In fact, no historians have ever
acknowledged this claim to be true. It was merely a fabrication of Mr.
Wiesenthal a proven lier.

    One example of this is the difficulties of the historian David Irving,
who after once being persuaded of the facts, changed many of his views
regarding the history of World War II. Mr. Irving found it virtually
impossible to find a publisher to publish his new-found convictions, which
contradicted the Jewish version of World War II.

    Yet, the hysterical Jewish exaggerations became so blatant that the more
sane Jews have found it necessary to admit there could have been no more than
3.5 million Jews to have died in that period of time, and certainly not the
exaggerated 6 million. The following is reprinted from the New York Post,
March 26, 1992:

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Subject: [13texan] The Talmudic racists
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 00:13:39 EDT
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The follow is an article that Willie Martin wrote that I felt the necessity
to share with all of you at this point. Some of the parts of the Talmud are
repeated from what I posted but I didn't want to change what he has worked so
hard to write.
Michael Snead
14/88

The Protocols of The Learned Elders of Zion

    Chapter Five

    I have briefly mentioned The Protocols which were a draft, or copy, of
the original manuscript. Many Jews, and their Christian Zionist cohorts,
contemptuously attempt to shrug the Protocols aside as being counterfeit.
But, as we pointed out earlier, in order to have a counterfeit, there must
have been an original. The more valuable the original, the more care the
counterfeiter uses to make the copy as exact as possible.

    There is no proof I can offer which will settle the question. Much
greater minds than mine have argued the pros and cons. However, if "the proof
is in the pudding," and "by their fruits ye shall know them," I take the
position that for over 90 years we have been witnessing their fulfillment.
They have used it as a blueprint for their world conquest and have followed
its every instruction. If these documents were an anti-Jewish forgery as the
Talmudists claim, there is no doubt they would have made supposed Jewish
authorship as clear as possible. Instead, they have taken great pains to
cover up any Jewish connections. Only once or twice, in the entire lengthy
document, does the word Jew appear. However, there is little doubt that the
document was directed against those people the Jews call Gentiles, or in the
more picturesque Yiddish, "goy" (in the singular) and "goyim" in the plural.
With the exception of a few instances, the only distinctive racial term used
is "Gentile."

    If a forger had written this during the last decade, there might have
been reason to believe it was anti-Semitic malice (even though very few of
the people we now call Jews can qualify as Semites). But take note that this
document was written over 90 years ago, before the term anti-Semitic was
coined by the Talmudists.

    The Sixth Protocol states: That the true situation shall not be noticed
by the Gentiles prematurely, we will mask it by a pretended effort to serve
the working classes and promote great economic features for which an active
propaganda will be carried out by our economic theories.

    The Protocols were very probably never written in manuscript form, but
were notes taken from the minutes of the World Zionist Conference held
somewhere in France or Switzerland near the end of the nineteenth century.
The secret power of the Talmudists has developed as they have manipulated
world governments into placing the secret government of a country in the
hands of a few men of Jewish faith. No nations in the world are so completely
under Zionist power as those of England, Canada and America; the three
leading true Israelite nations.

    The Protocols, in agreement with international Zionist leaders look on
the dispersion of the Jews as a blessing in disguise. In The Protocols they
say: This has brought us to the threshold of universal rule.

    In the Ninth Protocol, they explain in detail how they have taken over
the control of one Israel nation after another. I quote: In order not to
destroy prematurely the Gentile institutions, we have laid our efficient
hands on them and grasped the springs of the mechanisms they formed in a
strict and just order, but we have replaced them with a liberal disorganized
and arbitrary administration. We have tampered with jurisprudence (their
justice system), the franchise (right to vote), their press, freedom of the
person and most important of all, education and culture which is the
cornerstone of their free existence.

    We have misled, stupefied, and demoralized their youth by means of
education in the principles and theories patently false, but which we have
inspired above existing laws, without actually changing them, but by
distorting them through contradictory interpretations. We have created
something stupendous in the way of results.

    Let's take a moment to analyze this Protocol. As an intelligent person,
answer if you can the question of how this document, if it were a forgery as
the Jews and their allies claim, could so accurately describe what is
happening now, over 90 years after it was written?

    The laws of Anglo-Saxondom, the foundation of the modern Israel nations
known as Christendom, have always been laid on the strict and just order of
God's Ten Commandments. These have indeed been replaced by a teaching in both
education and religion which says there are no absolutes. There is no such
thing as "black" or "white," only shades of gray. In other words, situation
ethics which makes a thing right or wrong according to the circumstances.
This teaching has released a Pandora's box of evils upon our society, not the
least of which is our modern acceptance of homosexuality as an alternate life
style when we know that the Word of God says all those who practice this
aberration are worthy of death.

    A close look at the Anti-Defamation League of the B'nai B'rith, which
acts as an unlicensed agent of a foreign government (the State of Israel) and
is allowed to operate unhindered in the United States, has for all intents
and purposes become unofficially an arm of the U.S. Justice Department. If
you do not want to accept this fact, then ask yourself why every time you
read about government action against a Christian patriot, you will find the
thoughts of some official from the A.D.L. This Talmudic organization has been
responsible for most of the para-military laws enacted in many of our states
which are aimed at Christian patriot groups. The Jewish Defense League, the
armed branch of the A.D.L., is allowed to operate unhindered in most of these
states.

    A close look at the courts of our land will show a preponderance of
Jewish judges, although Jews make up less than 3% of our population. They
also have almost complete control of the American Bar Association, and
lawyers who do not operate under their control are regularly blackballed in
America's courts. Under Talmudic jurisdiction, America's courts have become
noted for their protection of criminal rights, while the law abiding citizen
is often persecuted on the slightest pretext.

    We have already discussed Jewish control of the media. Analyze education
and see the stranglehold the Talmudists have on the National Education
Association and on our culture. Ask yourself why Christian Americans have
been forced to subsidize pornography in the arts through the National
Endowment for the Arts. This is a Jewish controlled organization which seems
to specialize in downgrading Jesus Christ and Christianity at our expense.

    We witness this same downgrading of morals in the music industry which is
almost 100% Talmudic controlled. And, it has produced stupendous results. If
you don't want to believe this, look at the screaming hordes of teenagers and
college youth who are completely mesmerized by these so-called musical Pied
Pipers.

    By changing the meaning of the Constitution, we now find it acceptable
for protesters to burn the American flag. But we must never say anything
derogatory about the State of Israel and its ambitious reign of terror in the
Mid-East regardless of their threat to the Moslems or our Christian way of
life. By the time this book is in print, we may even have "hate laws" which
will hinder you from telling the truth about those who seek to destroy
America.

    The method of the Protocols can be summed up in one word: DISINTEGRATION;
the undoing of everything worthwhile in order to create chaos and thereby
gain control of the people. So The Protocols teach that in order to gain
control of public opinion it is first necessary to confuse it. This is
successfully done through control of the media.

    Truth is not confusing, but the liberalism which has been sown in this
country by the Talmudists is confusing because it is based upon a foundation
of man's shifting values. There are no absolutes: there is no truth. Take a
nation, a church, or a family in which liberalism has been sown and you can
split it into fractions which will ultimately destroy it. There was a time in
America when the family unit was strong and America was strong. But the enemy
cleverly led both parents and children into believing that Humanism was the
way to go. As a result, in both children and parents, Christian and
non-Christian, we have developed the idea of "doing our own thing," "if it
feels good, do it," and "there is no tomorrow, so live for today," no matter
the consequences. This has led our Israel people into the almost unsolvable
mess we find ourselves in today. Regardless of whether we like it or not,
there is only one answer and that is returning to doing things God's way.
(Again, I call your attention to Deuteronomy 28.) White Christian Americans
need to learn quickly that "secularization" is preparation for "Judaization."
That is the Talmudic Way!

    The Talmudic program almost always starts off with flabby tolerance of
anything and everything. The phraseology used is a dependable Talmudic
weapon. Protocol V states: In all times people have accepted words for acts.

    This is the basis on which they operate. Men and women like to be
believers in something, and if you can convince them that being broad-minded
is good, you can control their thinking in other liberal channels. As a
result of this thinking, we have seen in the business world the prostitution
of service into profit. There was a time when the American businessman was
interested in putting out a top quality product, and he would often work long
hours and put forth great effort to reach this goal. Then the Talmudic
rationale of "the gelt is, the thing!" (Gelt is Yiddish for profit or money.)
"Get what you can with the least amount of effort and time." Since American
business has assumed this thinking, quality and pride of workmanship have
taken a back seat and we are witnessing a decline in the profit picture. This
is one of the major reasons the American automobile industry has had
difficulty coping with that of Japan's where the worker is still taught pride
in workmanship. The Talmudic principle is, "How much profit can we squeeze
out of this product," not, "How can we make it better?"

    This thinking causes the enviable art of good management to degenerate
into the exploitation of those whom they employ in order to gain more
profits. It means reckless confusion among managers and dangerous unrest
among workers. It results in the breakdown of our Anglo-Saxon work ethic and
the substitution of a foreign ideology. And the genealogy of this foreign
ideology is rooted in The Babylonian Talmud as we shall see.

    Protocol X states: We will wear everyone out by dissensions, animosities,
feuds, famine, inoculations of diseases and want, until the Gentiles have no
way of escape except by an appeal to our power and money.

    The Kehillah is the most potent power in the American Jewish community.
It is an organization which wields worldwide power and intimidates Jews into
doing its bidding. The Kehillah in New York City constitutes the essential
part of the Jewish government in the United States, which in recent years has
often been referred to as Z.O.G. (Zionist Occupational Government) and is the
center of American Jewry. It is the whispering gallery of American Jews where
whispering drives are set in motion to break and destroy those Christian
goyim who do not bow to their will.

    Under the Babylonian governmental system, the Kehillah was the power and
protectorate of the Jewish community. It operates under the laws of The
Talmud.  With the conversion of the Turko-Mongolian Khazars to Judaism in the
8th century A.D., they immigrated heavily into Eastern Europe. The Kehillah
moved with them to that area and eventually on to the United States centering
in New York City in the 19th century. Today, New York is to world Jewry what
Mecca is to the Moslem.

    The Kehillah has its representatives in all Jewish organizations such as
the Central Conference of American Rabbis; Eastern Council of Reformed
Rabbis; Independent Order of B'nai B'rith, with its harlot daughter the
Anti-Defamation League; the Independent Order of the Free Sons of Israel; the
Federation of American Zionists, and many others. It encompasses all Jews
orthodox, liberal, reformed, and atheistic - apostate Jews, poor Jews, rich
Jews, law-abiding Jews, communist revolutionaries, criminal Jews, all come
under its control. They are banded together, so they claim, to protect Jewish
rights! But what rights are the Jews deprived of in America? There are none!
This expression is nothing but a substitute for a campaign which seeks to
deny Christian rights, in Christian America. Again, this is a central
teaching of The Talmud.

    The American Jewish Committee has divided the United States into twelve
regions, and every state belongs to a district, which has as its head the
most powerful Jewish representative in that region. The capital of the world,
and that of the United States as far as Jewish affairs are concerned, is New
York City which just happens to also be the seat of the United Nations
government. It is the home of most of the anti-American, anti-Christian
propaganda and pro-Jewish hysteria that sweeps this nation periodically.

    The Jews have a free reign to handle their own affairs in the United
States. They have their own calendar, they keep their own holidays, observe
their own form of worship, exist on their own dietary laws (which are now in
the process of being forced on an unwilling Gentile population), and they do
all of the above, and much more, without molestation from our government and
without the slightest question of whether they are right or wrong.

    But the non-Jew, especially the Christian, must act according to Jewish
dictates or he is immediately accused of infringing on Jewish rights. This is
borne out by Christ being removed from Christmas and Easter, the cross being
removed from our public buildings, prayers taken out of our schools and
morality out of our government. Examine the upcoming hate laws which are
being foisted on our Congress by Jewish organizations. Canada already has
hate laws, and you must not say or do anything which will hurt the feelings
of a Jew or other alien. But it is not considered a crime for a black man to
degrade a white, or for a Jew to blaspheme our Savior Jesus Christ. That is
their right under this one-sided law.

    There is no such thing as anti-Semitism in America, except as it applies
to the Jew against the Arab. But, there is a tremendous amount of
anti-Gentilism and anti-Christianity which is deliberately being employed by
the Talmudists in their drive for world power. Most American Christians fail
to realize that most public disturbances,  strikes and political confusion do
not just happen out of a clear blue sky. They are planned that way. A few
years ago the Jewish community of Skokie, Illinois, was thrown into a total
frenzy by a Nazi group who applied for a permit to parade through town.
Nothing was ever said on national TV, or in the news, when it was discovered
that the "thug" who paraded in Nazi uniform as the leader of the Nazi group
was a young Jew from the Jewish Defense League. It has been proven that many
incidents described as vicious anti-Semitism, such as desecration of
synagogues and Jewish cemeteries, have been committed by Jewish thugs. This
is a means they use to keep the little Jew in line with orders from the
Kehillah, and to keep the general public softened up over the ugliness being
perpetrated against the noble, innocent Jew.

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Subject: [13texan] ZIONIST WAR AGAINST HUMANITY
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 22:26:48 -0600
From: Ed Kadach 
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ZIONIST WAR AGAINST HUMANITY

                 "QUEBEC'S ( scalp hunting ) IROQUOIS
                 ARE KIND HUMANISTS COMPARED WITH THE
                 CRUELTY OF THE JEWS."

                 The Great Frenchman Voltaire in 1753.
                 ( Volume 17 of his Collected Works ).

I. WALLSTREET'S TALMUDIC
SUCCESS RELIGION -
UNVEILED.

Bill Clintons Gouvernment consists 1999 of
almost 80% Jews, Zionists. No matter if they
are religous or non-religious, deep in their heart
and mind, they are Jews, Khasars, and will
follow the perverted ,religion" we have
described below.

JESUS CHRIST, the much revered founder of
Christianity is called a 'mamser' ( son of a
whore ) or in other places of the Talmud he is
called a 'Talui' ( that man, who was hanged' ) or
a 'Scheker' ( a swindler ). Holy Mary, the divine
mother of Jesus Christ is referred to in the
Talmud as a 'Sabbath Schickse' ( one, doing her
work on  Saturdays when Jews must not work )
or 'Scharia' ( dung, excrement, German Dreck )
or worse still 'Stada' ( a prostitute ).

Young, religious Spaniards, who nurture a
special adoration for Holy Mary, have been
known to draw their stiletto over these Rushdie
style  blasphemies against Madre Santa Maria.
However, the public appeal of the 'mamser' was
so strong, that Christianity became Rome's
state religion, and Emperor Constantine
ordered the image of Jesus Christ to be on all
national flags.

In 553 A.D. Emperor Justinian banned the
Talmud throughout the Roman Empire,
saying:" There is nothing Holy in the Talmud."
The list of papal condemnations of the Talmud
goes through the centuries. Subsequently,
where ever Jews turned up in Europe, mothers
would tear their kids from the sand box and
lock the house doors. The rumor of deicide ( the
killing of a God ), not a particularly enviable
charge in  Christ-infested Europe, was around
these bearded men, when they wallowed in long
black coats over the countryside like restless
nomads, keeping their eyes hidden behind their
shylocks.
Only in 1965 did the Vatican - pressured with
the holocaust allegation - lift the 1600 years old
condemnation decree on Talmudic Jewry.

Few people realize that today's Jews are divided
into two distinct  racial groups. Their majority
of 85 % are 'Ashkenazim', Asiatic Jews,
relating to Judah. They are not the descendants
of the 12 Israelite  tribes but are a Turco-
Mongoloid people, who had a makeshift state
entity in the 7th century after the fall of Rome
between eastern Turkey and South Russia,
called the Khazzars. They were converts to
Judaism. The name Khazzar relates to their
rhythmic body shake (Chazzar ), while they
pray and wail. This was imitated by their black
slaves in America and later called spiritual
Jazz.

True Israelites can be traced among Sephardic
Jews, who escaped Rome's persecution via
northern Africa, and also among the tribes
which fled straight into western Europe. During
the 8th century some 120,000 were forced to
convert to Christianity by Charleman, whom
both, French and Germans regard to as their
first common emperor.

According to unconfirmed Anglo-Saxon
theories, these were the sons of Isaac, later
called Isacsons', whereby the letter I is silent in
Hebrew, thus meaning Saxons.

The key guide to practical performance of
Judaism is the Talmud, a compilation of Jewish
religious ethics written by various Rabbii over
two millenia. Through the centuries, the
Talmud's outright incitement  to slander and
even murder of Christians, has brought Jews in
conflict  with numerous Popes and secular
authorities. This 63 volume works, now being
reduced to 38 by taking the slander out - as
agreed upon with the Vatican in 1965 - goes
into the very  detail when it describes the
'treatment' of Christians, Muslims and
other Goyim ( non-Jews ).
Thus, in sub-paragraph Zahar ( 1.25b) it
says:

 - Christians must be spoken of with contempt
 - Good must not be done to Christians
 - Christian Saints are Kedoschin (female men)
 - Harm must be done to the work of Christians
 - Christians to be harmed in legal matters
 - Jews must pretend to be followers of mamser
        ( in order ) to harm Christians.
 - The life of a Goy ( non-Jew ) belongs to Jews
        including all his belongings.

The last named Talmud arrogance led enraged
European Christians to force Talmud Jews into
scrubbing the pavements of Vienna's Franz-
Joseph-Allee using tooth brushes. The list
continues to outright incitement to murder
Christians. More to follow later.
-------------------------------------------

No doubt it is high time that the jews start
scrubbing the pavements of our cities once
again.

Racialist regards,

Ed Kadach

"All truth passes through three stages. First,
it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
---Schopenhauer

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Subject: [13texan] Talmudic Principles
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 00:28:04 EDT
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The follow is an article that Willie Martin wrote that I felt the necessity
to share with all of you at this point. Some of the parts of the Talmud are
repeated from what I posted but I didn't want to change what he has worked so
hard to write.
Michael Snead
14/88

Law Enforcement is Blind to Jewish Criminals

    A close check of the FBI's annual crime report will show that acts of
violence by the Jewish Defense League and other militant Jewish groups out
number those of the far right fringe by eight-to-one. In most cases where
Jews are involved, the authorities have strange lapses of memory when it
comes to justice. Most of the violence on college campuses during the Vietnam
War were communist planned and were carried out under Jewish leadership. Most
of the anti-nuclear demonstrations and the violence of certain
environmentalist groups is planned violence under Jewish leadership. I saw
this from personal experience as I worked the lecture circuit of the colleges
during the 1970's.

    The vast amount of communist propaganda literature being produced and
distributed in the United States amounts to hundreds of millions of dollars
annually. It is the work of Jewish authors who describe in glowing terms the
throngs of liberty-loving aliens who want to come to the United States. The
problem is, once they are here they do not want to abide by our laws, but
desire to set up their own systems within our system. In Southern California
we see little Mexicos, little Hong Kongs, Vietnamese villages, Iranian
communities and East  Indian communities. The billboards, advertisements and
signs are in their native languages, and just try to understand their
employees if you are found in need of gas or other services in their ghettos.

    It was the Jewess Emma Lazarus who penned the propaganda we find engraved
on the base of the Statue of Liberty in New York harbor: "Give me your poor,
your tired, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free." And American
idiots, especially those of the Christian faith, opened the doors to the
refuse of the world and today we are paying for it in the degeneration of our
youth and the degrading of our educational system. We are paying for it
through diseases which have been hitherto unknown in this country and through
rampant crime and poverty among our people. We are paying for it through the
nose with our tax dollars which provide welfare to these people who either
cannot, or will not, work. The financial burden is breaking our backs.

    An honest look at America's problems will show that it is the Talmudic
element which offers the most violent resistance to the Christian American
way of life. The term "melting pot" was given to us by the Jew Zangwill and
was something our founding fathers never envisioned for this country which
had been founded as a refuge for white Christians seeking freedom to worship
God. Other religions were allowed to come here and receive protection, but
they were never given the lawful right to change our way of life to conform
to their heathen ideas. It is very possible that there are more Jewish
communists in America today than there are in the USSR since they are all
controlled from their one-world Kehilla center in New York.

    Most of our modern-day church leaders have succumbed to the Scriptural
confusion of mistaking Judah and the Jews for Israel. They completely reject
the words of our risen Lord in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 where He warned:
"...them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of
Satan."

    These church leaders, often acting from motives of self-interest, have
misinterpreted the ancient writings that relate to Israel and Judah, and have
made Judah, the hub around which their prophetic teachings rotate. They have,
for all intents and purposes, forgotten or discarded their own roots and
prefer to idolize those who are imposters. These churchmen fail to consider
the fact that  Judah has been in constant warfare with Israel for at least
2500 years. When they first came on the Scriptural scene in II Kings 16:6,
about 742 B.C., lo and behold they were fighting against Israel.

    To confuse the matter even more, most religionists fail to take the fact
into account that at least 80% of the modern-day Jews are not of Judah at
all, but are of Turko-Mongolian racial background from Eastern Europe.
According to their own historians they were converted to Judaism in the 8th
century A.D. Every leader of the modern State of Israel has come from this
heathen background and is known as an Ashkenazi Jew.

    People often ask why Jewry, which on the economic front is international
capitalism in disguise, should favor Bolshevism, which is the announced enemy
of capitalism. Why would a New York City Jew such as Jacob Schiff pour
millions of dollars into the coffers of the Bolsheviks during the Russian
Revolution?

    With every fact of history against them, there are still hordes of
political and religious leaders in America who insist that Communism was not
Jewish in origin and that the Jews have been persecuted in the Soviet Union.
The USSR is the only nation in the world where anti-Semitism is punishable by
death! Today we find these intellectual idiots attempting to make hay for
their warped ideas by stating former Premier Gorbachev is violently
anti-Semitic. Yet the facts prove that under Gorbachev, international Jews
have become the only millionaires in Russia and that international communism
in Russia, as well as the remainder of the world, is nothing but a facsimile
of international Jewish Talmudism. If you are one of those who refuses to
accept this truth, then explain why the only openly wealthy class in Russia,
who have elaborate dachas on the shores of the Black Sea at Odessa, are Jews.

    As late as 1983, under the guidance of Premier Andropov, a Jew, 23 out of
25 members of the Politburo (the Soviet ruling clique) were Jews. Every top
member of the military and of the Soviet police, were Jews. What the present
composition is, I do not know, but I do know that in spite of all the
propaganda to the contrary in the American media, Russian Jews have received
favored treatment over Baptists and Pentecostal Christians.

    Why is it that we have been kept in darkness in America? Could it be
because all our information comes to us through the Jewish telegraph service
which is the Associated Press of worldwide Zionism. It might be worthwhile to
think about this for a bit.

    The illegal method by which the Zionists in Palestine forcibly
confiscated Arab land has been approved by our Zionist Occupational
Government and by the wolves in sheep's clothing who stand behind America's
pulpits declaring these bandits to be God's Chosen People. Instead of giving
honor to the men who fill these pulpits, patriotic Christians should hold
them in the utmost contempt because they are traitors not only to their
country, but of more importance, to their God. They have become paid
prostitutes of Zionism who, according to Isaiah 56:11: .. all look to their
own way, everyone for his gain ... These include national TV favorites such
as Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Jimmy Swaggart, Jack Van Impe, etc.

    Palestine has often been called the "center of the earth" because the
power which has controlled Palestine in the past has been the one which
controlled the world. Palestine has been the key to world military strategy
and trade. It is located strategically between three continents, and it lends
itself to dreams of future glory, as the almost unlimited mineral and oil
reserves of this area are astronomical.

    The native Arabs of Palestine were promised protection from Jewish
expansion first by British General Allenby when he liberated Jerusalem from
the Turks in 1918, and then by the Balfour Declaration, the San Remo
Conference and by President Wilson in his Fourteen Points. But the Talmudists
said: "Let the Arabs go. Let them give up their land to us. We want it!" Oh,
what a delightful Jewishness there is in this declaration. But today, the
world is becoming alarmed at the seeds of Jewish aggression in Palestine and
are beginning to realize that this could well be the catalyst which would set
up Armageddon. In the meantime, the fundamentalists and evangelicals say they
would welcome this catastrophe, not even comprehending the consequences of
their words. Not one fundamentalist leader in a thousand understands the
vastness and terror of Armageddon. Of course they don't worry about this
because they teach that they will not be here, but will be transported by
Jesus to some place in the sky where, from the battlements of heaven, they
will watch as the rest of us are destroyed. They teach this without the
slightest Scriptural authority, and woe be to them when their church members
discover they have been lied to!

    I could fill more pages speaking about Talmudic control of the media, TV
and Hollywood. As was pointed out in detail in a previous chapter, all major
newspapers, TV networks, nine out of ten studios in Hollywood, the major
magazines - all are Jewish owned and/or controlled. What it boils down to is
almost complete control over the news which is spoon-fed daily to the
American people.

    Add to this the control of the publishing houses and the National
Education Association and you have the makings of a confused America, just as
the Talmudists said it would be. The Talmudic idea of education can be seen
in the following remark made by Terry Herndod, former Executive Director of
the National Education Association: The ultimate goal of the NEA is to tap
the legal, political and economic powers of the U.S. Congress. We want
leaders and staff with sufficient clout that they may roam the halls of
Congress and collect votes to re-order the priorities of the U.S.A.

    The propagandists of Hollywood are free to make Christian clergymen
anything from seducers, to safe crackers, to village idiots and get away with
it. But a Jew must never be depicted in a critical light, no matter how
dastardly his acts. Their viciousness towards Jesus Christ and Christianity
can be seen in the recent blasphemous movie, The Last Temptation of Christ,
which depicted our Lord and Savior as an immoral man. This movie was made
successful by the hordes of so-called Christians who have made Talmudism
successful in America. It has been Christianity that has supported the movie
industry, the Jew liquor monopoly, the Jew tobacco industry, Jewish
pornography and prostitution - everything which has been used to tear down our
Christian heritage.

    In Protocol IV, we read: This is the reason why it is indispensable for
us to undermine all faith, to tear out of the minds of the goyim the very
principle of Godhead, and the spirit, and to put in its place arithmetical
calculations and material needs.

    Protocol XVII: We have long past taken care to discredit the priesthood
of the goyim and thereby to ruin their mission on earth which in these days
might still be a great hindrance to us. Freedom of conscience has been
declared everywhere, so that now only years divide us from the moment at the
complete wrecking at that Christian religion.. ..(Emphasis added)

    In the communist textbook Psychopolitics, which was written in the USSR
in 1933 and was the blueprint for the takeover of America, we read on page
52: We have battled in America since the century's turn to bring to nothing
any and all Christian influences, and we are succeeding. While we today seem
to be kind to the Christian, remember we have yet to influence the Christian
world to our ends. When this done, we will have an end to them everywhere.

    You must work until religion is synonymous with insanity. You must work
until the officials of city, county and state governments will not think
twice before they pounce upon religious groups as public enemies. You wonder
why hate laws which discriminate against Christians are being passed by a
Zionist-dominated Congress? Here is your answer. >It is the Talmudic
principle in operation.<

    I could go into the jungle music of modern rock and roll which is
controlled by Jews. We often wonder why our modern youth have degenerated
into savagery, yet Christian leaders have refused to attack the Jewish source
of this savagery. They are hamstrung by the teaching of their church that
these imposters are God's Chosen and must be protected at all cost and that
to confront a Jew is to bring God's curse upon them. Maybe these clergy and
their parishioners should read II Chronicles 19:2 which says: ... Shouldest
thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the Lord? Therefore is wrath
upon these from before the Lord.

    Sixty years ago, Werner Sombart, a pro-Jewish author in his book, Jews
and Modern Capitalism. predicted: If conditions in America continue to
develop along the same lines as in the last generation, if the immigration
statistics and the same proportion of births among the nationalities in the
U.S. remain the same, our imagination can picture the United States in 50 or
100 years hence, as a land inhabited only by the Slavs, negroes, and Jews,
wherein the Jew will naturally occupy the position of leadership. How
accurate his predictions have become. Whites are about to become a minority
in the country they founded and brought to greatness. Why? Because they have
been led to compromise with, and bow down to, the heathen attributes of
Talmudism.

    Professional sports in America have come completely under Jewish control
to the point where they are pricing themselves out of existence. At the same
time they fulfill the Talmudic ambition to get the goy occupied by sports so
that he has little time or energy in which to do the important things. This
is a Talmudic principle.

    In Protocol XIII we read: In order to distract the people who may be too
troublesome from discussions of questions of the political... In order that
the masses themselves may not guess what they are about we further distract
them with amusements, games, pastimes, passions, people's palaces... Soon we
shall begin through the press to propose competitions in art, in sport of all
kinds: these interests will finally distract their minds from questions in
which we should find ourselves compelled to oppose them.

    Why this mad emphasis on sports? It is to take our minds off essential
issues and prepare us for Talmudic takeover!

    The Jewish element has completely controlled boxing for years, and has
taken the sport of clean wrestling, which was a test of skill and strength,
and turned it into a disgusting orgy. We now see mud wrestling spectacles
between near nude members of the female sex and the orgy of painted heathens
groping and grunting their way in and out of the ropes.

    When anyone exposes the Talmudic control over any segment of our
existence, the Jew becomes an inflamed zealot because the Jew cannot tolerate
anything he considers to be criticism. You may criticize a Christian of any
denomination with impunity, and until recently, most nationalities, but the
Jew is sacrosanct (sacred and above criticism). There is not a major
newspaper in America, or a major politician, who dares admit that there is a
Jewish problem. Any discussion, or the laying out of facts, immediately draws
the label of "anti-Semitism," or "hate monger."

    The Jew can call your Lord and Savior a bastard and few will complain,
but show the Jew in his true colors and your expose' will be labeled as "full
of lies, insinuation, prejudice and hatred to instigate suicide."

    As I wrote earlier, the term "anti-Semitic" is a misnomer when applied to
Jews today since the people we now know as Jews have very little, if any,
connection to the forefathers of true Israel. Very few of the people we know
as Jews, with the possible exception of a few Sephardim Jews, can qualify as
being Semites. The vast majority, according to their own historians, are
Ashkenazi Jews of Turko-Mongolian background. Their forebears never set foot
in Palestine, they have not one drop of Semitic blood in their veins, and
they have no legal or moral title or right to the land they claim is theirs
by right of birth.

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Subject: [13texan] Please disregard.
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 00:38:36 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
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To All of my brothers and sisters I am running a test message to see how it
looks...Please do not mind me.
Michael Snead
14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Charge Room and Board for Concentration Camps
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 01:06:41 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
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    The Germans need to calculate exactly how many jews were actually in the
concentration camps, take the number of days that each one was in there and
Charge Room and Board plus interest to recoup some of their losses from what
the Jews extorted from them. I bet those Jews would have an accurate count
then. What do you think? About 150 but no more than 200. Then those who did
die of natural causes charge the families burial costs plus interest.
Michael Snead
14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Holohoax 1 by Willie Martin
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 05:02:31 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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Martin wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=903
> < From: Willie Martin 
>
>      I realize that I am an uninvited guest in this conversation, but
if you
>  really want to know what we think of the HoloHoax and why we think
so. I am
>  sending several posts to the list, and if you wish to read them then
so be
>  it and then you decide for yourself; if you don't wish to read them
then
>  simply delete them. Willie
>
  (snip long antisemitic diatribe)
>
>     The Jew has also systematically invaded the schools of learning.
Today,
>  the atheistic Jew continues to Jewish/socialize little, White,
Christian
>  children by teaching his atheistic and communistic holocaust
(holohoax)

What a moron! How can there be anything atheistic or communistic about
a Holocaust? Mr. Martin sounds like an apprentice under Goebbels, an
apprentice with limited writing ability, I might add.

>  propaganda in the American schools, all the while denying White,
Christian
>  Americans their freedom of speech and freedom to rebut or dispute the
>  blatant Jewish liars who come to the American school system to tell
their
>  demonic lies, and thereby Jewish/socialize our American White
children.

No has has deprived fools from denying established history because of
deep seated antisemitism. Those views have been exposed, however, as
devoid of any truth, and this greatly angers hateful  bigots.

>
>     "'The Jewish Establishment": 'In the early 1930s, Walter Duranty
of the
>  New York Times was in Moscow, covering Joe Stalin the way Joe Stalin
wanted
>  to be covered. To maintain favor and access, he expressly denied
that there
>  was famine in Ukraine even while millions of Ukrainian Christians
were
>  being starved into submission. For his work Duranty won the Pulitzer
Prize
>  for journalism. To this day, the Times remains the most magisterial
and
>  respectable of American newspapers.
>     Now imagine that a major newspaper had had a correspondent in
Berlin
>  during roughly the same period who hobnobbed with Hitler, portrayed
him in
>  a flattering light, and denied that Jews were being mistreated,
thereby not
>  only concealing, but materially assisting the regime's persecution.
Would
>  that paper's respectability have been unimpaired several decades
later?

Neither event should have had any impact on the paper several decades
later.

>     There you have an epitome of what is lamely called 'media bias.'
The
>  Western supporters of Stalin haven't just been excused; they have
received
>  the halo of victim hood for the campaign, in what liberals call 'the
>  McCarthy era,' to get them out of the government, the education
system, and
>  respectable society itself.

You falsely characterize McCarthy, who was not making a legitimate
attempt to remove communinists, but was in fact a witch hunt, where
people were smeared for political views which did not please McCarthy,
whether they were communists or not. McCarthy was a demented alcoholic
who merely wished publicity and didn't care how many innoncent lives he
ruined to obtain it.

>     Not only persecution of Jews but any critical mention of Jewish
power in
>  the media and politics is roundly condemned as 'anti- Semitism.'

Because it is. As well as being nonsense, the kind believed by small,
insecure minds.

 But there
>  isn't even a term of opprobrium for participation in the mass
murders of
>  Christians. Liberals still don't censure the Communist attempt to
extirpate
>  Christianity from Soviet Russia and its empire, and for good reason,
>  liberals themselves, particularly Jewish liberals, are still trying
to
>  uproot Christianity from America.
>     It's permissible to discuss the power of every other group, from
the Black
>  Muslims to the Christian Right, but the much greater power of the
Jewish
>  establishment is off-limits.

More nonsense. This point of view receives a constant airing by extreme
rightwing groups on a continuous basis. The problem for those who put
forward this belief is that no one believes it, despite its constant
repitition.

 That, in fact, is the chief measure of its
>  power: its ability to impose its own taboos while tearing down the
taboos
>  of others, you might almost say its prerogative of offending. You
can read
>  articles in Jewish-controlled publications from the Times to
Commentary
>  blaming Christianity for the Holocaust or accusing Pope Pius XII of
>  indifference to it, but don't look for articles in any major
publication
>  that wants to stay in business examining the Jewish role in
Communism and
>  liberalism, however temperately." (The Jewish Establishment, Joseph
Sobran,
>  September 1995 issue)

Perhaps because there is no market for views shared only by a fringe
group of haters, otherwise such tripe could sell.

>
>     The holocaust is taught in schools, and the Jew is allowed to
come in and
>  teach his religious views in the context of teaching about the
holocaust,
>  and he influences our children into believing that Jews are the
chosen
>  people of God. In reality, true White Christians are the Chosen
People of
> God.

No religious views are taught as part of Holocaust history. This is
just more nonsense from a man who obviously places very little stock in
truth or facts. So far, he's said nothing about the Holocaust.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Holohoax 2 by Willie Martin
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 05:37:17 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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Martin wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=904
> From: Willie Martin 
>
>     Today, at this late hour of the history of White Christianity,
the Jew
> has sought to brainwash uneducated and ignorant generations into the
> misplaced pity and sorrow of what can only be called The Jewish
Holocaust
> Religion. Jews are allowed to teach people to hate Jesus Christ and
blaspheme
> Almighty God, yet they are admired and pitied by most people in the
world,
> while they tell blatant lies about the so-called German "death
camps." These
> lies cannot be proven scientifically and are lies designed only to be
cheap,
> Jewish public relation propaganda to invoke pity for the Jews, while
they
> pick the American White Man's pockets and raid White America like a
corporate
> lawyer.

It is people like Mr. Martin who attempt to brainwash the uneducated
and ignorant with respect to the established facts of the Holocaust.
There is not a respected historian anywhere in the world who questions
the reality of this historical event, anymore than the Civil War is
questioned. The proof takes the form identical to the establishment of
any event of history - documentary evidence, testimonial evidence,
physical evidence, and in the case of the Holocaust- hundreds of
admissions by Nazis of the evil deed. Against this Mr. Martin offers
fairground rhetoric with not a shred of evidence.

>
>     The pity heaped on them is misplaced pity that should be directed
to
> Jesus Christ, as He was the only innocent person ever to walk the
face of the
> earth, and yet was put to death by the Jewish people. Now, however,
even
> though the Jews believe and teach in their synagogues that Jesus is
boiling
> in excrement in Hell, to call a Jew a Christ-killer is an offense
that has
> put people in jail for much of their lives.

Blatant, outright lies. This man has no shame.

>
>     The Holocaust He was first fabricated by the head of the KGB, the
Jew
> Lavrenty Beria. Since then, week after week, for almost fifty years,
the
> television, radio, and media have continued to brainwash the American
public
> with scores of historically inaccurate anti-Nazi and anti-German
movies,
> claiming a German conspiracy to commit genocide against the Jewish
people.

Again, not one piece of evidence, just a foolish claim. The historical
canon on the Holocaust is massive, and yet people like Mr. Martin like
to talk about movies and the media. These outlets don't write history,
or sway the scholars who do. This is a typical denier strawman argument
which allows them to avoid a real discussion of any of the historical
evidence, and for good reason - they have nothing but unsupported
conspiracy theories to offer.

>
>     Yet, no conspiracy or so-called "Final Solution" has ever been
proven to
> have existed among the Nazi leadership.

Simply false.

> It is true that hundreds of thousands
> of people died during World War II, and yes, a small percentage of
them were
> Jews. It is true that thousands died in the internment camps, many of
whom
> were confessed enemies of the national state. Some were gypsies,
Communists,
> Baptists, Masons, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, Germans, Poles,
Czechs
> and Frenchmen.

Martin has no source for such information. Millions of Jews were sent
to the camps because they were Jews. Millions of them died.
Transporation documents exist showing the shipments of Jews to the
various extermination camps and non-extermination camps. There the
record stops. Martin knows nothing of the evidence supporting the
history of the Holocaust, and what is more, he doesn't care because he
wishes to present his lie irrespective of the truth.

>
>     The Jews have been exposed to claim that those non-Jews who died
in the
> camps were Jewish in order to further exaggerate the numbers of Jews
who died
> in concentration camps.

Another lie. Historians know that 5-6 million non Jews perished as
well. Mr. Martin is either ignorant of this fact, or is lying again.

 It is very important, for the sake of truth, to
> remember that the work or industrial camps were continuously exposed
to
> rampant diseases.

Nonsense. Camps aren't exposed to diseases! Camps gives rise to
diseases when the conditions of sanitation and nutrition are
overwelmingly abysmal. The Nazis are directly responsible for the
diseases in the camps, diseases which could have been prevented. Having
said that, disease killed a tiny minority of the 6 million exterminated
Jews.

 At the time that these camps existed throughout Europe,
> there were no magic drugs like our antibiotics. Most people in the
European
> camps died of dysentery, influenza, or perhaps hepatitis B,
tuberculosis,
> cholera, typhus, or even old age.

Lack of anitbiotics was not an issue. Typhus and malnutrition were the
major non-gassing killers, both preventable if the Nazis cared enough
to try.

 So it may be said that while the majority
> of deaths were of natural causes or disease, they were nevertheless
premature
> because of the war.

More nonsense, not supported by a single historian or piece of
historical evidence.  In other words, a complete fabrication on the
author's part.

>
>     Talking about numbers let us examine a few here:
>
>     1). How long does it take to cremate a body?
>
>     Answer: According to crematory operators today, it takes more
about two
> hours to completely cremate a body.

Nope. It can be done in less than one hour.

>
>     2). How long did it take to cremate a body during World War II?
>
>     Answer: Cremation was a relatively new thing in the early 40s and
> therefore it took more than four hours to cremate a single body.

There is no substantial difference between then and now. Cremation was
hardly a new thing.

 It would
> have been impossible to cremate more than one body at a time, for
with more
> bodies the time needed to create the bodies would increase with each
body.

False. The opposite is true. Three, four, and sometimes more bodies
were burned at a time. The cremation capacities outlined in the
instruction manuals of the company who manufactured the crematoria
indicate a cremation rate easily accounting for the number of bodies
burned. In addition, the Nazis and Sonderkommandos who worked the ovens
have confirmed even higher rates than the manuals suggested.
Additionally, during peak periods, corpses were burned in large pits in
many of the camps, thus greatly increasing the capacity of the
crematoria.

> From one body and four hours to three bodies and eight hours, four
bodies and
> 12 hours and etc.

How silly.

>
>     3). How much residue and ashes are left after a body is cremated?
>
>     Answer: Today there is about 10 to 12 pounds of residue,
depending upon
> the size of the body; and that is with the residue being run through
a
> grinder to reduce the larger bone fragments into smaller one. In the
40s
> there would have been 40 to 50 pounds of residue and no grinding to
reduce
> the larger bone and meat fragments, so there would have no other
reduction in
> the size of the body.

Absolutely ficticious! Bone fragments were indeed ground in the camps,
with work requests for grinding machines and sifting screens part of
the record. The remains of one human fits into a container about the
size of a shoe box.

>
>     3). How much weight in ashes and bone fragments would it take to
fill a
> box car or hopper car?


>     Answer: The European rail cars are about ½ the size of the ones
in the
> United States, then and now. So it would have taken about 20,000
pounds of
> residue to fill a box car.

They didn't ship ash and human remains by boxcar. More utter ignorance
and lies.

>
>     4). How many men would it have taken to transfer the residue from
the
> ovens to the rail siding where they would have been loaded out on?
>
>     Answer: With one man and one wheel borrow which would have held
about 50
> pounds of residue it would have taken about 200 hundred men to
transfer the
> 20,000 pounds that would fill the box car. These men would have had
to move
> constantly and therefore would have had to be releaved every few
hours to let
> them rest so that they could work again. Thus the number of men would
have to
> be 600 at the rate of 200 men changing shifts every 8 hours.

Again, they didn't ship ash out of the camps. With respect to labor,
they had a virtually unlimited supply of Jews who did this work. During
the height of the Hungarian exterminations in mid 1944, labor records
indicate over 800 Sonderkommandos working in the Auschwitz-Birkenau
crematoria.

>
>     Now slave labor, as history has shown, is the worst sort of
labor;
> because there is no incentive to produce more and more. Instead the
slaves
> move less and less as time progresses. This would have added another
600 to
> the work force thus causing the Germans to have use 1200 men for one
box or
> hopper car per day, just to move the residue from the ovens to the
rail
> sidings.

Hehehe. What a fool, to think that anyone would accept this logic, or
that it could be quantified. Furthermore, there was a continuous supply
of new slave laborers, as new transports came in regularly, allowing
the Nazis to replenish their crews with fresh Jews.

 Of course we have not taken into consideration the distance that the
> men would have to travel with their wheel barrow; and thus would have
added
> substantually more men to the work force.

I suppose Mr. Martin thinks the Nazis quite stupid if he imagines they
couldn't come up with a better mode of transport than a wheel barrow!

>
>     5). How many men would have taken to load the residue in the box
or
> hopper cars after the transfer from the ovens?
>
>     Answer: Due to the fact that the European cars are about ½ the
size of
> American ones, it would have take at least 4 men on each side of the
car
> shoveling the residue up into the car. Then it would have taken 4
men, two on
> each side to throw the residue from the door to the back of the car.
This
> would have taken at least 8 men, and since they would have to be
relieved
> every few hours that would increase the work forces from 8 to 24 men.
Then
> just as we had to double the work force because of the slowdown in
the
> movement of the slave labor, it would therefore take 72 men to load
the cars.
> Again we are not taking into consideration the sickness and accidents
which
> would necessarily happen because of humans being just that: humans.
Which
> would also increase the work force.

Poor Mr. Martin, wastes all of his time making up these arithmetical
scenarios based on a false assumption. The ash was not shipped out, it
was disposed of at the camp.

>
>     6). How many cars could be loaded at the same time? And how many
cars
> would a siding hold?
>
>     Answer: Only about 10 cars could be loaded at one time because if
more
> than that were loaded, the workers would be getting into each others
way,
> thus causing both a slowdown and additional workers to the work
force.
> Therefore, it would take about 1300 men to load 10 cars in one days
24 hours
> time.
>

He tries to get so much mileage out of one false premise. Maybe he gets
better!

Philip Mathews

>
>

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Holohoax 3 by Willie Martin
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 06:09:12 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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Martin wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=905

>     7). How many pounds of residue would 4,000,000 bodies produce?
>
>     Answer: At the rate of 40 to 50 pounds per body; and we will use
the
> lesser weight of 40 pounds, it would produce 4,000,000 x 40 pounds =
> 160,000,000 millions of pounds of residue.

The residue per body was a fraction of that.

>
>     8). How many rail cars would it take to move 160,000,000 pounds
of
> residue?
>
>     Answer: At the rate of 20,000 pounds per car, and that is really
filling
> the car up because the car would probably not hold more than 15,000
pounds,
> it would take about 16,000 cars. Which would not have been possible
because
> the allied bombers were bombing everything in sight day and night and
would
> have destroyed that many cars in raids.

Back to the fictitious railcars!

>
>     9). How long would it take at the rate of 10 cars per day to move
16000
> cars?
>
>     Answer: It wouldhave taken 16000 days.

Apparently this false premise is all he has.

>
>     10). How many years wouldit have taken to move these cars at the
rate
> above mentioned?
>
>     Answer: it would have taken 16000 days divided by 365 days in a
year = 54
> years.

He's growing weary, he doesn't even bother to make up data to support
this conclusion.

>
>     Therefore, it would not have been possible to cremate 4,000,000
people
> and move their asshes and residue in 3 years time.

Yawn.

>
>     The movies give the false impression that only Jews were interned
in the
> work and labor camps. The Jews have claimed hundreds of thousands of
non-Jews
> in order to fabricate their numbers and claim that 6 million Jews
purposely
> were killed at the hands of the SS, simply because they were Jewish.

Already dealt with. The total numbers for the Holocaust is between
11-12 million as historian know and write. This is just another
strawman argument for a man who has no other.

 In
> recent years, whenever a White Christian would speak up to point out
the
> irrefutable and blatant facts about the atheistic Jewish Holocaust
Myth. The
> Jews have done everything they can to stifle the American man's
freedom of
> speech in his own country.

American man!?!  White Christains don't doubt the Holocaust. Only a
small, extremists fringe do so, and they hardly represent  Christians
of any color.

>
>     This is a one-sided presentation of World War II that belittles
the
> American fighting man's part in the war and gives undue credit to the
Jews
> and exaggerates the Jewish deaths at the expense of other more
deserving
> minorities such as the Ukrainian people.

It is not one sided at all, it is the  considered opinion of
professional historian, all of them.

>
>     As incredible as it may sound, if it can be proven beyond a
shadow of a
> doubt that the Jews themselves were responsible for the excessive and
insane
> bombing policies of the Americans and the British over Germany in
World War
> II, then that would mean that the Jews themselves are directly
responsible
> for the incredible numbers or deaths in the Nazi labor camps.

Typical denier strategy - if I didn't convince you the numbers are a
lie, I'll give you another lie to account for the true numbers!!!

For it is an
> indisputable fact that what has been called the "atrocities" of the
camps did
> not occur until after the Allied bombers had destroyed the railway
systems
> that shipped food and medical supplies to these camps.

An absolute falsehood. The vast majority of Jews were long dead when
the allied bomging reached Poland, which was not until the middle of
1944. Even in Germany, which was extensively bombed, wharehouses of
food were found in close proximity to many of the camps, with starving
Jews discovered by the allies.

> If the Nazis had been
> able to bomb the transportation systems of the Americans and prevent
them
> from shipping medicine and foodstuffs to the Japanese internees and
German
> prisoners of war in American concentration camps, then unsanitary
living
> conditions and malnutrition would certainly have had the same results
in
> extraordinary numbers of Japanese internees dying from dysentery and
cholera.

Except that the deaths occurred before the bombing ever had any effect.
The strategic  bombing survey done by the United States just after the
war noted little disruption of transportation lines before the middle
of 1944.

>
>     But as of this date, not a single American nor British soldier
has been
> tried for war crimes or crimes against humanity, even though
thousands of
> such incidents did occur in the American victimization of Japanese,
Germans
> and people of other nationalities during World War II.

No such war crimes were committed. Attempted white-washing of Nazi
crimes by pretending they were no different than other alleged crimes
is a staple of Holocaust Denial. First they say it didn't happen; then
they say it happened but wasn't intentional; then they claim it was no
worse than what others did. The fact that these desperate lies
contradict each other is lost on deniers.

>
>     To fail to present an objective and truthful look at the events
of World
> War II is to fail to learn from the mistakes of that era. Today,
Zionist and
> Talmudic organized Jewry knowingly and willfully continue to present
and
> perpetuate atheistic, Communist propaganda only because it paints the
Jews as
> the victims of the Nazis. Many courageous Americans such as Senator
Taft and
> many Supreme Court Justices spoke out against the travesty of justice
called
> the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials against the leaders of the German
government
> after World War II.

Many Supreme Court Justices did not speak out against Nuremberg, which
has, with the perspective of time, proven to be an exemplary effort to
signal that humanity will not accept any behavior in wartime as
justified. In addition, the Nuremberg trials' legitimacy has nothing to
do with the historical reality of the Holocaust.

>
>     "World War II was a war to renew Jewish domination of Germany and
Central
> Europe and for the maintenance of the power and glory of the
British/Jewish
> Empire. The conspirators in America, England and France are
responsible for
> the greatest tragedy the world has ever known and their names will be
> dishonored and execrated in history.

More of the great, evil conspiracy!

>     It never would have started had not Roosevelt and the half Jew
Bullitt
> guaranteed to Britain and France all of America's resources, which
meant,
> first, repeal of our neutrality act and supplying them with munitions
and
> bombers without stint; second, in time the extension of unlimited
credit;
> third the use of our fleet in the Pacific to protect British, French
and
> Dutch interests; if these did not suffice for victory, then our young
men as
> air pilots and our fleet to be sent to Europe; and lastly, if World
Jewry and
> the British/Jewish Empire could not win without them, millions of our
lads to
> die in Europe's babbles.

It would not have happened had the Germans not accepted Hitler and his
racist views and if Germany had not started a war in pursuit of it's
goals.

>     The premeditated killing of human beings by another, save in self
> defense, is murder, a crime against Christianity, morality, humanity,
and
> civilization, and this applies with greatest guilt to the wholesale
slaughter
> by one nation of the people of another who have not attacked or
harmed them.
> After this illegal, secret plot was negotiated, Roosevelt, the Jews
and the
> war-mongers of this country, of England and France sought to
overthrow the
> Chamberlain government and to replace it with the Jews Churchill,
Eden,
> Hore-Belisha and Duff Cooper.

The concept of a just war is well established in Christia thought. The
Nazis where the war mongers, and no amount of nonsense which stands
reality on its head will change that. Germany started WWII and millions
died because of their actions.

(snip much nonsense)

>     Today, fifty years after Adolf Hitler, there is hardly a week or
a day
> that goes by without an anti-Nazi film or propaganda movie being
shown on
> television channels that one would think they should be no longer
political.
> Moreover, the Jews have made Nazi memorabilia and Nazi member
organizations a
> big business in America. No true American can afford to stand by and
allow
> the Communist, Jewish Zionist, Antichrist Jews to continue imposing
their
> version of history and their atheistic values upon what was once a
White
> Christian Nation.

It is hard to imagine why any television or movie portrayal of Nazis
should be anything but anti-Nazi, but neo-Nazis have trouble
understanding why.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Holohoax 4 by Willie Martin
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 06:18:15 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Martin wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=906
> From: Willie Martin 

>     If the holocaust is to be discussed in our schools as legitimate
history,
> then let it be discussed objectively and truthfully, based upon fact
instead
> of Jewish fiction that is designed only to protect the reputation of
Joe
> Stalin and the Jews behind the Bolshevik revolution of world
Communism.

The Holocaust history isn't written by Jews, another antisemitic
canard. It's written by historians and taught by teachers of history,
who don't suffer from the intellectual blinders your hatred of Jews
creates for you.

>To
> insist upon fair play is truly an American idea. If we must hear the
Jews
> side, let us also hear the Arabs' side.

What does this have to do with the Holocaust? Who hasn't heard the
Arabs side?

 We Americans are innately hateful
> toward anyone who seeks to rob us of our freedom of thought, but
today that
> is exactly what the atheistic, Communistic Jews, and Hollywood
one-worlders
> are seeking to do.

No one has robbed anyone of their freedom of thought, although some
appear to have lost the ability!

>
>     Stifling freedom of speech through their Communist tactic of so-
called
> political correctness, they seek to brainwash the next generation of
> Americans through drug abuse and relentless Communist propaganda.
They seek
> to create a police state wherein freedom of speech is completely
stifled, and
> when freedom of speech is a crime, soon freedom of thought also
becomes a
> crime.

Here we go, wandering off topic and throwing every issue he can think
of into the pot! Political correctness, a fading phenomenon, has
nothing to do with Communism, in fact it owes it's genesis far more to
extreme right wing ideology.

>
>     The Jews, through the ACLU and other Communist Jewish front
groups have,
> when it is convenient, defended freedom of speech as long as it is a
> Communist or a dissenter seeking to tear down White America. But when
the
> shoe is on the other foot, they will not defend the rights of White,
> Christian Americans, which our forefathers fought for and embodied in
the
> Bill of Rights and the Constitution. The Jews are currently using
federal and
> state money that they have conned form the American people to fund
their one-
> sided Communist views of World War II. So, in effect, every state
sponsored
> holocaust program is but another Jewish con game designed to rob the
working
> man and the American tax payer, while enslaving these White people's
children
> into Jewish Socialism.

He's now lapsed into antisemitic ranting. I guess he gave his best shot
at the Holocaust!

(Snip the remainder, which is nothing more than a repetitive rant
agains Jews, all based on myths concocted and sustained by Jew haters.)

The truth of the Holocaust is not threatened by Mr. Martin.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: The Talmudic racists
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 06:22:33 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=907
>
>
> The follow is an article that Willie Martin wrote that I felt the
necessity
> to share with all of you at this point. Some of the parts of the
Talmud are
> repeated from what I posted but I didn't want to change what he has
worked so
> hard to write.

>
>
> The Protocols of The Learned Elders of Zion
>

The Protocols are a well known fake, established by historians to be so
decades ago. Only mindless Jew haters tout them as authentic.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Charge Room and Board for Concentration Camps
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 06:25:03 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=911
>
>     The Germans need to calculate exactly how many jews were actually
in the
> concentration camps, take the number of days that each one was in
there and
> Charge Room and Board plus interest to recoup some of their losses
from what
> the Jews extorted from them. I bet those Jews would have an accurate
count
> then. What do you think? About 150 but no more than 200. Then those
who did
> die of natural causes charge the families burial costs plus interest.

Spoken like the despicable Jew hater Snead is. Nothing could repay the
survivors for the loss of 6 million. Snead will pay his price on
judgement day.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Charge Room and Board for Concentration Camps
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 09:48:22 -0400
From: americans@grove.net
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

WE ARE SOoo sorry for you that you cannot apparently read or comprehend
what the word of our FATHER says. LUKE 19-27 is very clear how CHRIST VEIWS
HIS enemies who are defined as those who will not bow to him and be ruled
by him THE JEWS are that people primarily . WE Certainly with great
anticipation await the JUDGEMENT because CHRIST will complete what he has
called for ... the destruction of all those {JEWS} that will not BOW and
SERVE  "HIM" THEY ARE THE ANTI-CHRISTS....

Ramon Sparks

At 06:25 AM 9/8/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Snead wrote:
>
>
>philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
>original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=911
>>
>>     The Germans need to calculate exactly how many jews were actually
>in the
>> concentration camps, take the number of days that each one was in
>there and
>> Charge Room and Board plus interest to recoup some of their losses
>from what
>> the Jews extorted from them. I bet those Jews would have an accurate
>count
>> then. What do you think? About 150 but no more than 200. Then those
>who did
>> die of natural causes charge the families burial costs plus interest.
>
>Spoken like the despicable Jew hater Snead is. Nothing could repay the
>survivors for the loss of 6 million. Snead will pay his price on
>judgement day.
>
>Philip Mathews
>
>
>
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>

Thought for the Day:

"The Compromise of principles for peace results in SLAVERY"

R. Sparks

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Charge Room and Board for Concentration Camps
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 07:19:04 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

Ramon Sparks wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=918

> WE ARE SOoo sorry for you that you cannot apparently read or
comprehend
> what the word of our FATHER says. LUKE 19-27 is very clear how CHRIST
VEIWS
> HIS enemies who are defined as those who will not bow to him and be
ruled
> by him THE JEWS are that people primarily . WE Certainly with great
> anticipation await the JUDGEMENT because CHRIST will complete what he
has
> called for ... the destruction of all those {JEWS} that will not BOW
and
> SERVE  "HIM" THEY ARE THE ANTI-CHRISTS....
>
> Ramon Sparks

I'm afraid you're not sorry at all. The true Christian church rejects
you and your false Christianity, and the Lord will judge you a hater on
judgment day.

Philip Mathews

>
>
>
>
> At 06:25 AM 9/8/99 -0700, you wrote:
> >Snead wrote:
> >
> >
> >philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> >original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=911
> >>
> >>     The Germans need to calculate exactly how many jews were
actually
> >in the
> >> concentration camps, take the number of days that each one was in
> >there and
> >> Charge Room and Board plus interest to recoup some of their losses
> >from what
> >> the Jews extorted from them. I bet those Jews would have an
accurate
> >count
> >> then. What do you think? About 150 but no more than 200. Then those
> >who did
> >> die of natural causes charge the families burial costs plus
interest.
> >
> >Spoken like the despicable Jew hater Snead is. Nothing could repay
the
> >survivors for the loss of 6 million. Snead will pay his price on
> >judgement day.
> >
> >Philip Mathews
> >
> >
> >

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Charge Room and Board for Concentration Camps
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 11:37:46 -0400
From: jsavage 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Hi all!

philnancy@aol.com wrote:
>
> Ramon Sparks wrote:
>
> philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=918
>
> > WE ARE SOoo sorry for you that you cannot apparently read or
> comprehend
> > what the word of our FATHER says. LUKE 19-27 is very clear how CHRIST
> VEIWS
> > HIS enemies who are defined as those who will not bow to him and be
> ruled
> > by him THE JEWS are that people primarily . WE Certainly with great
> > anticipation await the JUDGEMENT because CHRIST will complete what he
> has
> > called for ... the destruction of all those {JEWS} that will not BOW
> and
> > SERVE  "HIM" THEY ARE THE ANTI-CHRISTS....
> >
> > Ramon Sparks
>
> I'm afraid you're not sorry at all. The true Christian church rejects
> you and your false Christianity, and the Lord will judge you a hater on
> judgment day.
>
js
Tell me...what is the "true Christian" church?

What is true Christianity as oppossed to "false
Christianity"?

js
--
Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite
a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew".

                                       The 1980 Jewish Almanac

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Subject: [13texan] Phony Holohoax Numbers. End
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 08:54:02 PDT
From: "Jeanne-Marie Zimmerman" 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Here is the last part regarding phony holohoax numbers. And to Little
Philip, we're not interested in your whining and your DENIAL of the
HOLOHOAX. JM

     The year 2050 must be much closer at hand than we think
considering that according to Hal Greenwald, program director for the
Hillel Foundation at Duke University, THE COUNT IS ALREADY UP TO
9 MILLION... AND COUNTING?
      But wait!  There's more.  On July 21, 1994 KBIM-TV aired a
CBS Television Special Report entitled "Hitler and Stalin:Legacy of
Hate" in which the famous (or infamous, depending on how you look at
it) General Schwarzkopf of Gulf War notoriety, and the well know TV
personality, Charles Kuralt, made the claim, at the beginning oftheir
documentary account of the supposed holocaust,  that there were "11
million murdered". By the middle of this special report,narrated by
Schwarzkopf and Kuralt, it was claimed that "20 MILLION DIED", and
near the end of the program, Mr. S. Cohen claimed that it was "tens of
millions".  Mr. Cohen didn't say whether it was 20 million, or 30 million,
or 40 million, merely that it was "TENS OF MILLIONS"... I wonder what the
count will be by the year 2050?
      Back to reality.  Only 3 very small crematoria were found by
the allies at the end of World War Two at Auschwitz, the most notorious of
all "work camps".  In order to make the idea that six million (or more) died
at the hands of The Third Reich plausible, Ladislaus Kluz, O.C.D., in his
book about St. Maximilian Kolbe entitled, Kolbe and the Kommandant
(imprimatur by Most Rev. Elden F. Curtiss, Bishop of Helena, Montana, USA,
November 8, 1982), tells us on p.218 that there were four [giant, magic]
crematoria built at the Birkenau camp capable of burning 7,000 to 8,000
bodies every day, which were supposedly destroyed by the SS before the
arrival of the allies.  Kolbe and the Kommandant reads like a novel, not
like a well documented scholarly work.  The True History of The Holocaust,
by Richard Harwood of the University of London presents scholarly, well
documented evidence that the so-called holocaust never existed.  It is sad
that the only way the idea that six million (or more) died in the so-called
holocaust can be given credibility is by inventing giant, magical crematoria
(for which there is no proof that they ever even existed) that will burn
7,000 to 8,000 bodies per day.  Wouldn't funeral directors of the crematoria
in America today love to have the technology Hitler used to build such
grandiose crematoria.  With such burning capability our funeral directors in
America today could offer burial services at a fraction of the cost of
existing burial
services.

It is admirable that St. Maximilian Kolbe sacrificed hisl ife to
save his friend and nothing that is being said here is intended to detract
from that noble act, but one can not help but wonder, if it is true that
7,000 to 8,000 people per day were murdered by the Nazis, how it was
possible for Francis Gajowniczek, the person Kolbe saved, to survive all
those years in Auschwitz while so many of his colleagues supposedly
perished.  But we must keep in mind that ONLY TEN PEOPLE WERE BEING PUT TO
THEIR DEATH AT THAT TIME AND THOSE
EXECUTIONS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SUPPOSED HOLOCAUST.  Those executions
were carried out as punishment for camp disturbances and prisoner escapes.
      On May 18, 1996 I wrote the following letter to President Bill
Clinton with a copy to Jews for Jesus, 60 Hight St., San Francisco, CA
94102: Dear President Clinton:  In the name of truth, for the sake of
Jesus of Nazareth, if you, or anyone, can provide me with verifiable
government documentation that shows any part of the data regarding the
holocaust... which shows that less than one million civilians of all races
and nationalities were killed in Europe during World War Two to be
incorrect, please send that evidence to me and I will modify the
information... accordingly and make reference to the information that you
send to me.  Yours truly, Lee Cheney.  As of the copyright date
of this book no reply has been received from either President Clinton or
from the Jews for Jesus movement.
      The Jews try to deceive us into believing that it was Pontius
Pilate who crucified Jesus when the truth is that Pontius Pilate was only
the "hit man".  The Jews wanted Jesus crucified because Jesus
declared that the Law of Moses is null and void.  Considering that the
Jews have not told us the truth about the Federal Reserve debt/tax
slavery banking system, or about the IMF/World Bank debt/tax slavery
money system, IS IT SURPRISING THAT THEY HAVE NOT TOLD US THE TRUTH ABOUT
THE HOLOCAUST?  In any case, the Jews have no room to point a finger at the
Nazis, or anybody else.  What the Jews call a Nazis Holocaust against the
Jews is NO DIFFERENT IN KIND from the Jewish Holocaust against the German
people by the Jews following WWII in which, in Poland alone, sixty thousand
(60,000) Germans were systematically murdered, assassinated, tortured, and
executed, and sixteen million (16,000,000) Germans were sent fleeing from
their homes in fear of their lives (see An Eye For an Eye, by John Sack,
Basic Books, A Division of Harper Collins Publishers, New York) and the
Jewish Holocaust against anybody that the Jews choose to take
a notion to brand as anti-semitic continues to the present day.
End of excerpt.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Charge Room and Board for Concentration Camps
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 09:18:57 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Savage wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=920
> Hi all!
>
> philnancy@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Ramon Sparks wrote:
> >
> > philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=918
> >
> > > WE ARE SOoo sorry for you that you cannot apparently read or
> > comprehend
> > > what the word of our FATHER says. LUKE 19-27 is very clear how
CHRIST
> > VEIWS
> > > HIS enemies who are defined as those who will not bow to him and
be
> > ruled
> > > by him THE JEWS are that people primarily . WE Certainly with
great
> > > anticipation await the JUDGEMENT because CHRIST will complete
what he
> > has
> > > called for ... the destruction of all those {JEWS} that will not
BOW
> > and
> > > SERVE  "HIM" THEY ARE THE ANTI-CHRISTS....
> > >
> > > Ramon Sparks
> >
> > I'm afraid you're not sorry at all. The true Christian church
rejects
> > you and your false Christianity, and the Lord will judge you a
hater on
> > judgment day.
> >
> js
> Tell me...what is the "true Christian" church?

Even you can't be so ignorant as to not know that.

>
> What is true Christianity as oppossed to "false
> Christianity"?

That based on the good news of the Lord, not hate of other groups.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Phony Holohoax Numbers. End
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 09:39:39 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Ms.Zimmerman wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=921

> Here is the last part regarding phony holohoax numbers. And to Little
> Philip, we're not interested in your whining and your DENIAL of the
> HOLOHOAX. JM

I'm not concerned with what you're interested in, your lies require and
will receive rebutal.

>
>      The year 2050 must be much closer at hand than we think
> considering that according to Hal Greenwald, program director for the
> Hillel Foundation at Duke University, THE COUNT IS ALREADY UP TO
> 9 MILLION... AND COUNTING?

More statements with no evidence.

>       But wait!  There's more.  On July 21, 1994 KBIM-TV aired a
> CBS Television Special Report entitled "Hitler and Stalin:Legacy of
> Hate" in which the famous (or infamous, depending on how you look at
> it) General Schwarzkopf of Gulf War notoriety, and the well know TV
> personality, Charles Kuralt, made the claim, at the beginning oftheir
> documentary account of the supposed holocaust,  that there were "11
> million murdered".

Correct. Where have you been. That's been the number for the Holocaust
for decades. You're so fixated with your hatred of Jews you forget
there were other victims. That's what Kuralt and Schwarzkopf were
talking about.

 By the middle of this special report,narrated by
> Schwarzkopf and Kuralt, it was claimed that "20 MILLION DIED", and
> near the end of the program, Mr. S. Cohen claimed that it was "tens of
> millions".

Ms. Zimmerman is deceiving. These different numbers do not refer to the
same thing. It does however indicate her mindless desperation to create
these lies to appear to suggest that historians don't know generally
how many died in the Holocaust.

 Mr. Cohen didn't say whether it was 20 million, or 30 million,
> or 40 million, merely that it was "TENS OF MILLIONS"... I wonder what
the
> count will be by the year 2050?
>       Back to reality.  Only 3 very small crematoria were found by
> the allies at the end of World War Two at Auschwitz, the most
notorious of
> all "work camps".

Hardly very small, they were massive, with over 30 retorts. Two other
Kremas, with an additional 16 retorts, were destroyed by Nazis. The
cremation capacity was enormous, equivalent to the ability to cremate
the entire camp population every couple of months.

> In order to make the idea that six million (or more) died
> at the hands of The Third Reich plausible, Ladislaus Kluz, O.C.D., in
his
> book about St. Maximilian Kolbe entitled, Kolbe and the Kommandant
> (imprimatur by Most Rev. Elden F. Curtiss, Bishop of Helena, Montana,
USA,
> November 8, 1982), tells us on p.218 that there were four [giant,
magic]
> crematoria built at the Birkenau camp capable of burning 7,000 to
8,000
> bodies every day, which were supposedly destroyed by the SS before
the
> arrival of the allies.

Two were destroyed, and even larger numbers were cremated during peak
periods by the addition of open pit burning.

  Kolbe and the Kommandant reads like a novel, not
> like a well documented scholarly work.

Claims Ms. Zimmerman!

  The True History of The Holocaust,
> by Richard Harwood of the University of London presents scholarly,
well
> documented evidence that the so-called holocaust never existed.

There is no such person as Richard Harwood, that is an alias of someone
named Richard Verrall, and he is not associated with the University of
London. His silly little pamphlet, published years ago, has been
debunked more times than Ms. Zimmerman has said "dirty Jew".

 It is sad
> that the only way the idea that six million (or more) died in the
so-called
> holocaust can be given credibility is by inventing giant, magical
crematoria
> (for which there is no proof that they ever even existed)

What a fool. She admitted herself  some were left at Auschwitz. We have
the testimony of Nazis concerning them. We have extensive construction
documents and photographs of them. And we have the testimony of Jews
who worked in them. In fact I've never run across a denier stupid
enough to try to deny the existence of massive crematoria capability.

 that will burn
> 7,000 to 8,000 bodies per day.  Wouldn't funeral directors of the
crematoria
> in America today love to have the technology Hitler used to build
such
> grandiose crematoria.  With such burning capability our funeral
directors in
> America today could offer burial services at a fraction of the cost
of
> existing burial
> services.

Hardly, since commercial crematoria would not be allowed to burn bodies
in the same way Nazis did. Ms. Zimmerman clearly knows nothing about
the cremation process, today, or in Nazi Germany.

>
> It is admirable that St. Maximilian Kolbe sacrificed hisl ife to
> save his friend and nothing that is being said here is intended to
detract
> from that noble act, but one can not help but wonder, if it is true
that
> 7,000 to 8,000 people per day were murdered by the Nazis, how it was
> possible for Francis Gajowniczek, the person Kolbe saved, to survive
all
> those years in Auschwitz while so many of his colleagues supposedly
> perished.

Because time ran out. Is this supposed to be a tough question?

 But we must keep in mind that ONLY TEN PEOPLE WERE BEING PUT TO
> THEIR DEATH AT THAT TIME AND THOSE
> EXECUTIONS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SUPPOSED HOLOCAUST.  Those
executions
> were carried out as punishment for camp disturbances and prisoner
escapes.

More unsupported nonsense.

>       On May 18, 1996 I wrote the following letter to President Bill
> Clinton with a copy to Jews for Jesus, 60 Hight St., San Francisco, CA
> 94102: Dear President Clinton:  In the name of truth, for the sake of
> Jesus of Nazareth, if you, or anyone, can provide me with verifiable
> government documentation that shows any part of the data regarding the
> holocaust... which shows that less than one million civilians of all
races
> and nationalities were killed in Europe during World War Two to be
> incorrect,

I'm sure you got no reply, since why should they bother with wackos who
allege the existence of government documentation which is false. Would
you care to cite this documentation?  Of course not!

 please send that evidence to me and I will modify the
> information... accordingly and make reference to the information that
you
> send to me.  Yours truly, Lee Cheney.  As of the copyright date
> of this book no reply has been received from either President Clinton
or
> from the Jews for Jesus movement.

Surprise, surprise!

>       The Jews try to deceive us into believing that it was Pontius
> Pilate who crucified Jesus when the truth is that Pontius Pilate was
only
> the "hit man".

Jesus came to earth to be crucified. He was crucfied by the Romans.

 The Jews wanted Jesus crucified because Jesus
> declared that the Law of Moses is null and void.  Considering that the
> Jews have not told us the truth about the Federal Reserve debt/tax
> slavery banking system, or about the IMF/World Bank debt/tax slavery
> money system, IS IT SURPRISING THAT THEY HAVE NOT TOLD US THE TRUTH
ABOUT
> THE HOLOCAUST?

That's it, lump all your nutcase conspiracy theories into one ball of
idiocy!

 > In any case, the Jews have no room to point a finger at the
> Nazis, or anybody else.

It's not the Jews who point the finger, it is all decent people, led by
historians who have documented the facts of the Holocaust.

 What the Jews call a Nazis Holocaust against the
> Jews is NO DIFFERENT IN KIND from the Jewish Holocaust against the
German
> people by the Jews following WWII in which, in Poland alone, sixty
thousand
> (60,000) Germans were systematically murdered, assassinated,
tortured, and
> executed, and sixteen million (16,000,000) Germans were sent fleeing
from
> their homes in fear of their lives (see An Eye For an Eye, by John
Sack,
> Basic Books, A Division of Harper Collins Publishers, New York) and
the
> Jewish Holocaust against anybody that the Jews choose to take
> a notion to brand as anti-semitic continues to the present day.
> End of excerpt.

Nothing like the Holocaust was visited on Germans or Poles. Your lies
are believed only by haters and morons, two categories you represent
well.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] "Adamic Man"
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 09:58:08 PDT
From: "Jeanne-Marie Zimmerman" 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Another wrote this from another list. It is food for thought. JM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

A confirming addendum, if I may.  The very name Adam is the definition
of a white man, and, therefore white race, who later became the Israelites
and Judaens.  There is a clay named "adamite" from which Adam was created by
God.  The several definitions of Adam begins in Strong's Concordance with
reference 119 of the Hebrew section.
With this said, Genesis 5:1 is very definitive in whom the bible pertains:

"This the book of the generations of Adam.  In the day that God crea ted
man, in the likeness of God made he him;"  And in Genesis 5:2:
Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their
name Adam, in the day when they were created.

Every name, every race, every thing and place mentioned in the bible, from
Genesis 1 through the Book of Revelations are incidental to the story of the
white race, or "man."  All of the genealogies listed throughout the bible
are there for the purpose of ascertaining the purity of man, the white race,
to and through the birth of Christ, and for no other reason.

The blacks have been on earth for untold millions of years. They were the
first creation, in Genesis 1-24, of humanoid bipeds, and we Adamites were
the creation of Genesis 2:7.  The adultery by Eve in mixing these seeds was
the "great sin."  The "mark" of Cain was that he was a mulatto, and easily
found his way into the black (beasts of the field) hordes camped in "Nod"
(East of Eden).  All other races are, biblically, derivatives of the
"marriage" of Cain with these blacks.  There can be no black "man," yellow
"man," red "man," etc., because man defines the white race, or Adamites.

I know there will be an uproar of "racism," and other demeaning cries, but
all one has to do is read the proof.  This is not my interpretation, but
biblical facts.  The bible is rife with descriptions of who the beast of the
field really is, but the best is in Isaiah 56:9 through 12.  He hasn't
changed much since the days of Isaiah, and never will.

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Subject: [13texan] Resistance to Tyrants...
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 10:13:52 PDT
From: "Jeanne-Marie Zimmerman" 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Little Philip said:
Hardly, since commercial crematoria would not be allowed to burn bodies in
the same way Nazis did. Ms. Zimmerman clearly knows nothing about the
cremation process, today, or in Nazi Germany.
~~~~~~~
Me: Of course I would little Philip. I have relatives who were National
Socialists, but you Commie subversives never got them. Too bad for you.
~~~~~~~

Michael Snead asked:
What is true Christianity as opposed to "false Christianity"?

~~~~~~~
Little Philip said:
That based on the good news of the Lord, not hate of other groups.

-and-

Jesus came to earth to be crucified. He was crucfied by the Romans.
~~~~~~~
Me: Then just why is it Little Philip hates National Socialists so much? The
"good news" tells Christians to resist the Devil like Little Philip and he
will flee from you. Little Philip is very bothered by the truth and jumps
all over this list to respond to things. He reminds me of a scared
grasshopper.

Thomas Jefferson said, "Resistance to tyrants {like Little Philip} is
obedience to God." And the Jews are the ones who persecuted and condemned
Jesus under Roman rule. They asked for his death.
JM

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Resistance to Tyrants...
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 10:25:19 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Ms. Zimmerman wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=925

> Little Philip said:
> Hardly, since commercial crematoria would not be allowed to burn
bodies in
> the same way Nazis did. Ms. Zimmerman clearly knows nothing about the
> cremation process, today, or in Nazi Germany.
> ~~~~~~~
> Me: Of course I would little Philip. I have relatives who were
National
> Socialists, but you Commie subversives never got them. Too bad for
you.

As Ms. Zimmerman has demonstrated, she hasn't a clue what she's talking
about!

> ~~~~~~~
>
> Michael Snead asked:
> What is true Christianity as opposed to "false Christianity"?
>
> ~~~~~~~
> Little Philip said:
> That based on the good news of the Lord, not hate of other groups.
>
> -and-
>
> Jesus came to earth to be crucified. He was crucfied by the Romans.
> ~~~~~~~
> Me: Then just why is it Little Philip hates National Socialists so
much?

Is that what you think you are!?!?

 The
> "good news" tells Christians to resist the Devil like Little Philip
and he
> will flee from you. Little Philip is very bothered by the truth and
jumps
> all over this list to respond to things. He reminds me of a scared
> grasshopper.

You have no truth as I've demonstrated every time you've opened your
mouth. Just lies based on ignorance or stupidity, but lies nonetheless.

>
> Thomas Jefferson said, "Resistance to tyrants {like Little Philip} is
> obedience to God."

Hahaha. Jefferson would spit in your face you fool!

 And the Jews are the ones who persecuted and condemned
> Jesus under Roman rule. They asked for his death.

Produce the evidence.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Judaism, Communism and the Shield of the Holohoax
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 11:04:04 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Ed Kadach wrote:

> The Holocaust Story® is a fraud, a hoax. It is designed to shield Jews from
> suspicion of the dirty work in which they are engaged. It enriches them
> monetarily that they can carry on this evil labor of destroying our freedom,
> our sanity, our culture, our religion, even our lives.
>

I see this claim as an easy one to make, but also see that the author provided
no proof whatsoever.... it's one thing to make such sweeping statements, another
entirely to back them up.

> Revisionists have called their endeavor the intellectual adventure of the
> 20th century.

You have to laugh at this one... read Ingrid Rimland's near-incoherent
babblings, or those of Tom Moran, Matt Giwer, Les Griswold, and other equally
stupid, inept "Holocaust revisionists" and you get a pretty quick idea of what
this "intellectual adventure" is worth.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Talmudist control the media
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 11:07:06 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

SNEADSTER@aol.com wrote:

> Talmudists
> Controller of the Media

So you basically accept the tenant of William Pierce, who stresses white
stupidity?

That is to say, you believe that (1) white people are so stupid that they can't
figure the world out without help from some un-named Guiding Light, and that (2)
white people are so inept that they can't buy these public companies and run them
for their own benefit?

What a depressing position you inhabit!

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Münch-JUST ANOTHER AUSCHWITZ LIAR-
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 11:08:55 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Ed Kadach wrote:

> Posted for the edification of Herb Gorman.

How very kind of you.

> JUST ANOTHER AUSCHWITZ LIAR
>
> Dr. Münch, 87, "gave" a testimony to Bruno Schirra, an "independent"
> journalist; it was published in Der Spiegel  on Sept. 26, 1998. He has been
> a SS physician in Auschwitz in 1943 and after. The greatest suspicion
> should be exercised before accepting this statement, mostly because the son
> of the old man wrote to the weekly to express his amazement. He said the
> mind of his father has been "weakened" since two years. He thinks his
> father's sentences, over the phone, have been "either misunterstood or
> misinterpreted".

Was Dr. Muench 87 years old when he testified at Nuremberg, Ed? Was he "weakened
since two years" then?

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Descriptions of Gassing At Auschwitz
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 11:10:08 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

SNEADSTER@aol.com wrote:

> All fabricated lies of the haters of Jesus Christ and the children of Satan.

...and your proof for this, Michael, other than the above?

"I, Alois Hoellriegl, being first duly sworn, declare I was a member of the
Totenkopf S. S. and stationed at the Mauthausen concentration camp from January,
1940, until the end of the war. On one occasion, I believe it was in the fall of
1942, Ernst Kaltenbrunner visited Mauthausen. I was on guard duty at the time
and saw him twice. He went down into the gas chamber with Ziereis, commandant of
the camp, at a time when prisoners were being gassed. The sound accompanying the
gassing operation was well known to me. I heard the gassing taking place while
Kaltenbrunner was present.

I saw Kaltenbrunner come up from the gas cellar after the gassing operation had
been completed.

(Signed) Hoellriegl"
(Document 2753-PS, Nuremberg)

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Descriptions of Gassing At Auschwitz
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 11:12:12 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

SNEADSTER@aol.com wrote:

>         How can you call information from a group that is known for their
> lack of objectivity "real evidence"?

A fair comment this would be, if only you had actually examined the evidence
itself, and explained why it was incorrect. It is interesting that you didn't do
this, and chose instead to attack the messenger.

Let's put the polemics about the "group" aside and deal with the evidence,
Michael. You can do that, can't you?

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Holohoax 1 by Willie Martin
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 11:14:36 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

SNEADSTER@aol.com wrote:

>      I realize that I am an uninvited guest in this conversation, but if you
>  really want to know what we think of the HoloHoax and why we think so.

Goodie - some EVIDENCE.... let's see if we can discuss it.... (looking for
evidence of a "hoax" about the Holocaust...)

Oops! There ISN'T any evidence! Well, maybe the next part will have the evidence,
do you think?

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Holohoax 2 (Willie Martin)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 11:28:52 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
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Michael offers more "evidence" from Martin:

>     Today, at this late hour of the history of White Christianity, the Jew
> has sought to brainwash uneducated and ignorant generations into the
> misplaced pity and sorrow of what can only be called The Jewish Holocaust
> Religion. Jews are allowed to teach people to hate Jesus Christ and blaspheme
> Almighty God, yet they are admired and pitied by most people in the world,
> while they tell blatant lies about the so-called German "death camps." These
> lies cannot be proven scientifically and are lies designed only to be cheap,
> Jewish public relation propaganda to invoke pity for the Jews, while they
> pick the American White Man's pockets and raid White America like a corporate
> lawyer.
>

Darn! No evidence of a hoax yet... perhaps the next paragraph...

>     The pity heaped on them is misplaced pity that should be directed to
> Jesus Christ, as He was the only innocent person ever to walk the face of the
> earth, and yet was put to death by the Jewish people. Now, however, even
> though the Jews believe and teach in their synagogues that Jesus is boiling
> in excrement in Hell, to call a Jew a Christ-killer is an offense that has
> put people in jail for much of their lives.

Darn! No evidence of a hoax yet... perhaps the next ....

>     The Holocaust He was first fabricated by the head of the KGB, the Jew
> Lavrenty Beria. Since then, week after week, for almost fifty years, the
> television, radio, and media have continued to brainwash the American public
> with scores of historically inaccurate anti-Nazi and anti-German movies,
> claiming a German conspiracy to commit genocide against the Jewish people.
>

Darn! No evidence of a hoax yet... perhaps the....

>     Yet, no conspiracy or so-called "Final Solution" has ever been proven to
> have existed among the Nazi leadership. It is true that hundreds of thousands
> of people died during World War II, and yes, a small percentage of them were
> Jews. It is true that thousands died in the internment camps, many of whom
> were confessed enemies of the national state. Some were gypsies, Communists,
> Baptists, Masons, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, Germans, Poles, Czechs
> and Frenchmen.
>

Darn! Some statements about the event, but no evidence of a hoax yet... perhaps
the next.....

>     The Jews have been exposed to claim that those non-Jews who died in the
> camps were Jewish in order to further exaggerate the numbers of Jews who died
> in concentration camps. It is very important, for the sake of truth, to
> remember that the work or industrial camps were continuously exposed to
> rampant diseases. At the time that these camps existed throughout Europe,
> there were no magic drugs like our antibiotics. Most people in the European
> camps died of dysentery, influenza, or perhaps hepatitis B, tuberculosis,
> cholera, typhus, or even old age. So it may be said that while the majority
> of deaths were of natural causes or disease, they were nevertheless premature
> because of the war.

This reads like an op-ed piece... no hoax evidence, though.

>     Talking about numbers let us examine a few here:
>
>     1). How long does it take to cremate a body?
>
>     Answer: According to crematory operators today, it takes more about two
> hours to completely cremate a body.

No evidence of a hosx though, or any suggestion as to why modern cremation data
would have any relevance to the Nazi death machines.... I guess Willy will get
around to that, though, won't he? Maybe in the next....

>     2). How long did it take to cremate a body during World War II?
>
>     Answer: Cremation was a relatively new thing in the early 40s and
> therefore it took more than four hours to cremate a single body. It would
> have been impossible to cremate more than one body at a time, for with more
> bodies the time needed to create the bodies would increase with each body.
> >From one body and four hours to three bodies and eight hours, four bodies and
> 12 hours and etc.

Darn! More statements without any proof of hoax... no copies of German engineering
reports from the designers and manufacturers of the ovens, no statements from the
Nazis and Ukrainians who operated them... shucks, I was hoping the promised
"evidence" of a "hoax" would finally be revealed.

I can't find any material here that shows that the existing evidence is all false,
either... I don't understand why Willie didn't even mention it? Surely, as a
Holocaust "revisionist," part of the "intellectual adventure of the century,"
Willie would be intimately aware of the actual documentary and evidentiary
material known to historians, and show us why it is all part of the, ah, hoax... I
don't understand why he didn't do this... shucks, wouldn't it be easy for such a
world-renkowned Holocaust "scholar?"

I am crushed.

>     3). How much residue and ashes are left after a body is cremated?
>
>     Answer: Today there is about 10 to 12 pounds of residue, depending upon
> the size of the body; and that is with the residue being run through a
> grinder to reduce the larger bone fragments into smaller one. In the 40s
> there would have been 40 to 50 pounds of residue and no grinding to reduce
> the larger bone and meat fragments, so there would have no other reduction in
> the size of the body.

The amount left over is about what you can cram into a shoebox, Willie... exactly
as it was in 1941, 1942, 1943, 1944 and 1945.

And the evidence in support of these allegations can be found where, Willie?

>     3). How much weight in ashes and bone fragments would it take to fill a
> box car or hopper car?
>
>     Answer: The European rail cars are about ½ the size of the ones in the
> United States, then and now. So it would have taken about 20,000 pounds of
> residue to fill a box car.

Since we have no evidence (non whatsoever, Willie, but surely, as a "Holohoax
expert" you already know this...) that ashes were moved by rail, I think we can
dismiss this very red herring without further ado...

Darn. Still no evidence of a hoax yet, but hey, Willie's just getting warmed up,
right? We're sure to see it any moment now.....

>     Now slave labor, as history has shown, is the worst sort of labor;
> because there is no incentive to produce more and more. Instead the slaves
> move less and less as time progresses. This would have added another 600 to
> the work force thus causing the Germans to have use 1200 men for one box or
> hopper car per day, just to move the residue from the ovens to the rail
> sidings. Of course we have not taken into consideration the distance that the
> men would have to travel with their wheel barrow; and thus would have added
> substantually more men to the work force.
>

Darn! He's still working on that red herring... no evidence there, either...
shoot!
(Balance of article deleted, after it became clear Willie wan't going to let go of
that red herring and give us the evidence he'd promised. Shucks, ma, this
"holohoax expert" is sure taking his time getting around to EVIDENCE.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Holohoax 3 by Willie Martin
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 11:35:05 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
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SNEADSTER@aol.com wrote:

>     7). How many pounds of residue would 4,000,000 bodies produce?
>
>     Answer: At the rate of 40 to 50 pounds per body; and we will use the
> lesser weight of 40 pounds, it would produce 4,000,000 x 40 pounds =
> 160,000,000 millions of pounds of residue.
>
>     8). How many rail cars would it take to move 160,000,000 pounds of
> residue?
>

Darn! Hey,  Willie, can you tell us which historians said all the dead Jews were
burned in one place, and while you're at it, can you tell us which historians
claim that the ashes of 4,000,000 Jews were hauled away in rail cars?
Ma and I will jes sit here in the sun and wait for you to provide us with that
evidence, illie.... no rush, y'all...(red herring text removed as non-relevant to
the historical record)

>     The movies give the false impression that only Jews were interned in the
> work and labor camps. The Jews have claimed hundreds of thousands of non-Jews
> in order to fabricate their numbers and claim that 6 million Jews purposely
> were killed at the hands of the SS, simply because they were Jewish. In
> recent years, whenever a White Christian would speak up to point out the
> irrefutable and blatant facts about the atheistic Jewish Holocaust Myth. The
> Jews have done everything they can to stifle the American man's freedom of
> speech in his own country.

Hey, Willie??? If the facts are, ah, "irrefutable and blatant," how come we
haven't seen any from you yet? For instance, which Jews claimed "hundreds of
thousands of non-Jews in order to fabricate their numbers?" Which history book
did you find this in, Willie? If you send me the page number, I can read it, you
know?

The stuff I've seen about the number of Jewish dead didn't cite any Jewish
sources, Willie. Darn, what do you think of that?

>     This is a one-sided presentation of World War II that belittles the
> American fighting man's part in the war and gives undue credit to the Jews
> and exaggerates the Jewish deaths at the expense of other more deserving
> minorities such as the Ukrainian people.

What, Willie, is a "one-sided presentation of World War II?" You haven't told us
which historians are writing the things you have claimed, so we really don't know
what you are referring to.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Holohoax 4 by Willie Martin
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 11:50:04 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
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SNEADSTER@aol.com wrote:

> From: Willie Martin 

Ah! Part Four! Surely this one, unlike Parts 1, 2 and 3, will finally give us the
EVIDENCE of this "holohoax" that Willie is so expert at.... let's go see, shall
we?

>     If the holocaust is to be discussed in our schools as legitimate history,
> then let it be discussed objectively and truthfully, based upon fact instead

What evidence does Willie offer of his familiarity with the curriculum in a given
area? None. What evidence does Willie offer that any curriculum is not "discussed
objectively and truthfully, based upon fact?" Why, none, of course.

Willie, I'd really like to help you out... I have the State of Florida curriculum
here - several hundred pages of it. If you'll just demonstrate this "intellectual
adventure of the century" for us by pointing out where the Florida curriculum
(mandatory for Florida schools) is not "discussed objectively and truthfully,
based upon fact," why then, we could go to the good people in Florida and
straighten them right out, couldn't we?

> of Jewish fiction that is designed only to protect the reputation of Joe
> Stalin and the Jews behind the Bolshevik revolution of world Communism. To

Say, Willie? Could you just tell us where the Florida curriculum is "designed only
to protect the reputation of Joe Stalin and the Jews behind the Bolshevik
revolution of world Communis?" I'll just set here a spell and wait while you write
her up, okay?

> insist upon fair play is truly an American idea. If we must hear the Jews
> side, let us also hear the Arabs' side. We Americans are innately hateful
> toward anyone who seeks to rob us of our freedom of thought, but today that
> is exactly what the atheistic, Communistic Jews, and Hollywood one-worlders
> are seeking to do.
>

The "Arab side" of the Holocaust is in the Florida curriculum, Willie... the kids
learn all about the Mufti's cooperation with Hitler, and his plans for the Jews of
Palestine... that should reassure you, right?

>     Stifling freedom of speech through their Communist tactic of so- called
> political correctness, they seek to brainwash the next generation of
> Americans through drug abuse and relentless Communist propaganda. They seek
> to create a police state wherein freedom of speech is completely stifled, and
> when freedom of speech is a crime, soon freedom of thought also becomes a
> crime.

Oops... strayed a bit from the intellecutual adventure of the century there,
Willie... let's get back to Holocaust education, and save the soap box for later,
during the talent competition, ok?

>     The Jews, through the ACLU and other Communist Jewish front groups have,
> when it is convenient, defended freedom of speech as long as it is a
> Communist or a dissenter seeking to tear down White America. But when the
> shoe is on the other foot, they will not defend the rights of White,
> Christian Americans, which our forefathers fought for and embodied in the
> Bill of Rights and the Constitution. The Jews are currently using federal and
> state money that they have conned form the American people to fund their one-
> sided Communist views of World War II. So, in effect, every state sponsored
> holocaust program is but another Jewish con game designed to rob the working
> man and the American tax payer, while enslaving these White people's children
> into Jewish Socialism.

The ACLU is a "Communist Jewish front group," Willie? Where's the documentation
for that one found? Did you forget the time the ACLU defended the right of the Ku
Klux Kowards to march in Skokie, Willie? DawgGONE it, boy! There goes your whole
paragraph, just shot to hell. Darn... no "hoax" evidence... gee, Willie, I'm
beginning to think you ain't going to give us any!

>  Think of this travesty of freedom in these terms. A group of atheistic,
> Christ-hating, Devil-worshipers comes to your school system and demands the
> right to teach your children their God- hating, atheistic values while making
> no secret of their ulterior motives to undermine your Christian values and
> your authority as a parent. In addition to this, these same Devil-worshiping
> pagans claim that Nero of Rome was right to burn the Christians on crosses in
> his nocturnal garden and to slaughter Christian women and children by
> throwing them to the vicious, man-eating lions of the Roman circus. What if
> these same people dared to say that the Jews were absolutely correct in
> putting Jesus Christ to death and viciously murdering Him? Would you, as a
> God-fearing person speak up against such an obvious abuse of American freedom?

Darn it... more soap box rhetoric, but no evidence.... surely it's just around the
corner, though, ain't it?

>     Well, that is exactly what the jews are doing throughout the school
> systems of America by sending their Jewish evangelists into your classrooms
> to preach the establishment of their holocaust religious cult. That is

Interesting viewpoint, but no evidence.... shucks, Willie... where can we read the
list of all of America's Holocaust history teachers, and learn that they are all
"Jewish evangelists?" I really want to read that report!

> exactly what the Jews have made of the Jewish deaths of WW II. They have used
> the Nazi work camps as an excuse to extort billions of dollars from the
> American tax payer, all in support of their Antichrist, world domination
> philosophy known as Zionism, and all for the purpose of supporting the
> illegal state of so- called Israel in Palestine.
>

Oops... no evidence yet.... shoot... this is part four - there ain't no more....

>     We Americans have no objection to the truth, but we do object to liars

Hey, willie, that's a good one, but don't give up your day job....

> and to half-truths being promoted in our school systems for the express
> purpose of manipulating and brainwashing our children. Let us remember that

Our white children are so dumb we can "brainwash" them? Do you really hate white
kids that much, Willie?

Oops.... we're all out of Willie, and fresh out of "proof" of this "holohoax,"
too... Michael, are there some other parts you didn't share, that have Willie's
proof? Would you publish them here, please?

Intellectual adventure of the century, huh?

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Phony Holohoax Numbers. End
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 11:59:52 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
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Jeanne-Marie Zimmerman wrote:

>      The year 2050 must be much closer at hand than we think
> considering that according to Hal Greenwald, program director for the
> Hillel Foundation at Duke University, THE COUNT IS ALREADY UP TO
> 9 MILLION... AND COUNTING?

Could you tell us which history books contain this number, Jeanne-Marie?

>       But wait!  There's more.  On July 21, 1994 KBIM-TV aired a
> CBS Television Special Report entitled "Hitler and Stalin:Legacy of
> Hate" in which the famous (or infamous, depending on how you look at
> it) General Schwarzkopf of Gulf War notoriety, and the well know TV
> personality, Charles Kuralt, made the claim, at the beginning oftheir
> documentary account of the supposed holocaust,  that there were "11
> million murdered". By the middle of this special report,narrated by
> Schwarzkopf and Kuralt, it was claimed that "20 MILLION DIED", and
> near the end of the program, Mr. S. Cohen claimed that it was "tens of
> millions".  Mr. Cohen didn't say whether it was 20 million, or 30 million,
> or 40 million, merely that it was "TENS OF MILLIONS"... I wonder what the
> count will be by the year 2050?

Some historians only consider the Jewish dead as Holocaust victims, while others
consider the broader set, that is, Jews (the 6 million), unarmed Soviet POWs
murdered by the Nazis (two million or more), Roma and Sinti (Gypsies), Christian
fundamentalists, political dissidents, homosexuals, Soviet Muslims killed
because their men were circumcized, etc. The total then climbs to 12 million.
Roughly 50 million died during WWII from all causes. So if you are going to give
us these numbers, you must also give us the context, so we know which numbers
referred to which groups. Is there some reason you chose not to do this?

>       Back to reality.  Only 3 very small crematoria were found by
> the allies at the end of World War Two at Auschwitz, the most notorious of
> all "work camps".  In order to make the idea that six million (or more) died
> at the hands of The Third Reich plausible, Ladislaus Kluz, O.C.D., in his
> book about St. Maximilian Kolbe entitled, Kolbe and the Kommandant
> (imprimatur by Most Rev. Elden F. Curtiss, Bishop of Helena, Montana, USA,
> November 8, 1982), tells us on p.218 that there were four [giant, magic]
> crematoria built at the Birkenau camp capable of burning 7,000 to 8,000
> bodies every day, which were supposedly destroyed by the SS before the
> arrival of the allies.

"Supposedly?," J-M? The remains of all of them are still there. The orders to
destroy them are still there. The Nazi testimony about their use is still
there.  I'll bet you knew that, didn't you, you little kidder!

> Kolbe and the Kommandant reads like a novel, not
> like a well documented scholarly work.  The True History of The Holocaust,
> by Richard Harwood of the University of London presents scholarly, well

"Richard Harwood?" No such man existed. His real name was Richard Verrall, and
he had no connection with the University of London whatsoever. He was the editor
of the neo-nazi National Front's toilet rag, and he wrote "Did Six Million
Really Die?" It is - by no stretch of your imagination - a "well-documented"
work.

Shucks, J-M, I thought you were going to get DOWN here and start talking
HISTORY, but I see that I will have to wait a bit longer....

"Richard Harwood" and "University of London" in the same sentence! That's rich.

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Subject: [13texan] The Talmud at Work
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 16:15:45 EDT
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The follow is an article that Willie Martin wrote that I felt the necessity
to share with all of you at this point. Some of the parts of the Talmud are
repeated from what I posted but I didn't want to change what he has worked so
hard to write.
Michael Snead
14/88

TALMUD



    When one recognizes the problems caused in our society by Talmudic
Judaism, it does not mean they have joined a campaign of hatred and enmity
against all Jews. It is not hatred or prejudice to tell the truth about
someone. Very few of our people even understand the meaning of the word
prejudice, and as we said before, it comes from the word "praejudicium,"
which means 'to form an opinion without knowing the facts," or pre-judging.
There is no prejudice involved when one speaks the truth about anyone or
any subject. It is probably fortunate that Jewish periodicals do not
circulate freely among the non-Jew since they are composed of two dominant
themes - Gentile unfairness towards the Jew and Christian prejudice! If
Gentiles read Jewish writers, there would be a concerted effort to rid this
country of Talmudism of all kinds.

    It is not anti-Semitism to proclaim the truth known to many that there is
an international Jewish conspiracy to rule the world. For in spite of
Jewish efforts to deny this, which is supported by their Christian Zionist
sympathizers, Jewish literature abounds with their plans and designs. The
Protocols boast about it, The Talmud teaches it, and Jewish authors have
gloried in the power which will be theirs when they have taken over world
control. The Protocols are the operating instructions to carry out the
programs of The Talmud.

    The idea of a one-world government has been a Jewish dream from its
inception and many Jewish authors boast about it in their writings. (My
book, Behold the International Jew, $5.00 ppd. has many examples of this.)
One example of this assertion is a recently received letter from a Jew. It
was written to a patriotic Christian American leader and reads as follows:
Sir: Your people are so paranoid it is obvious we can no longer permit you
to exist. We cannot allow you to spread your filthy, immoral Christian
beliefs to the rest of the world. Naturally, you are opposed to the World
Government ... unless it is under the grip of American fascism. You who
proclaim the Christian American Way of Life is best it is obvious you have
never been exposed to the superiority of the communist culture. World
Government will bring world peace and this will not become a reality until
American nationalism and imperialism is (sic) smashed! When your
nationalism is smashed, I will personally be there to firebomb your church,
burn your Bibles and confiscate your firearms, and take away your children.
We will send them to Eastern Bloc schools for redemption, as future leaders
of the newly formed Soviet Socialist Republic of America. We are taking
over your world and there are not enough of you to stop us. I am prepared
to fight you and all other enemies of the communist state.

Sincerely your enemy,
Signed: Gregory Paul Brookbank
Seattle, Washington
This is the Talmudic mind at work.

    Protocol XIV states: When we come into our kingdom it will be undesirable
for us that there should exist any other religion than ours... with whom
our destiny is bound up by our position as the Chosen People and through
whom our same destiny is united with the destinies of the world.

    Samuel Roth, a Jewish author in his revealing book, Jews Must Live!,
said; A goyim neighbor of mine, a Mrs. Harlan, asked me one day: 'Do you
actually think that a whole nation such as Germany, would stand aside while
Hitler eliminated all the Jews, unless there were some real abuses on the
part of the Jews which might justify it?'

    In trying to answer this perplexing question, he wrote: Suddenly it
dawned on me, blindingly, about all the evils for a long time that have
been perpetrated by the Jews ... The scroll of my life spread before me,
and reading it, in the glare of a new, savage light, it became a terrible
testimony against my people.  He remembered how as a Jew he had been
cheated by other Jews; how he had been libeled by Jewish journalists and
sent to prison because they didn't like what he wrote.

    He said: I have never stretched out my hand to help a Jew, or Jewess,
without having had it bitten! I have never entrusted a Jew with a secret,
which he did not instantly sell cheap to my enemies ... with subtle
scheming and heartless seizure which is the whole of the Jew's fearful
leverage in trade; they drove me from law office to law office, from court
to court, until I found myself bankrupt. It became so that I could not see
a Jew approaching me without my heart rising up to mutter, "There goes
another Jew robber; stalking his prey."

    On page 81 of his book he says; Every synagogue we Jews build in a
Christian country is a finger of scorn we point at our hosts; a sore finger
we stick into their eyes, like the leering of a senile old woman who does
all sorts of foul mischief before you, and feels safe in the knowledge that
you will not lay hands on her for fear of contamination. This, my Christian
friends, is Jewish Talmudism!

    The Jew, Bernard Lazare, in his book, Antisemitism, page 350, said: The
Jew is not satisfied with de-Christianizing, he Judaizes and destroys the
Christian faith; he provokes indifference, but he imposes his ideals on the
world, of morals and of life, upon those whose faith he ruins; >he works
tirelessly at his age-old task, the annihilation of the religion of
Christ<. (Emph. added)  This is Jewish Talmudism!

    I began this book by discussing the story of The Babylonian Talmud as
told by the Jew, Jacob Neusner. Then we looked briefly at the problems
which have existed between the Jews and the Christian world, using as a
background the book, The International Jew, by Henry Ford, Sr. Now we will
take a closer look at The Talmud itself under the magnifying glass of truth
and see what it tells us about itself. Many of the comments in this
section, as well as the actual quotes from The Talmud, are actual
reproductions from pages of the English translation of The Talmud, Soncino
Edition, and are taken from Elizabeth Dilling's book, The Plot to Destroy
Christianity.

    Biblical History of Israel and Judah

    Chapter Six

    In 1931, Elizabeth Dilling, then a girl in her teens, was taken by her
parents on a visit to Russia. She saw for herself the appalling scenes of
forced labor and squalid living conditions which had been brought about by
the socialist system. She heard the public tirades over loud speakers in
the city squares which vilified Jesus Christ and made the sacrament of Holy
Communion into a cannibalistic orgy.

    In the Museum of the Revolution she was shown a huge world map and as the
guide switched on the lights all over the world where communism was then in
control, he said: "Our world revolution will start with China and end with
the United States."

    At her hotel, Elizabeth talked with a representative of a foreign country
who told her about the police terror which had descended on the Russian
people and how people were dragged from their homes never to be seen again.
Behind the backs of careless guides, Miss Dilling took movies, and on her
return to the United States, began to show them to concerned, patriotic
Americans everywhere. Articles were written in small, local newspapers, and
the story spread until she was lecturing full time, from coast to coast.

    She managed to get a copy of her full report on communism, written in
1938 under the sponsorship of Henry Ford, Sr., into the hands of Senator
Royal Copeland, who then passed it on to Vice President Garner. As a
result, Congressman Martin Dies of Texas, directed the Dies Committee on
Un-American Activities to look into this matter.

    Mrs. Dilling discovered the hub of Jewish power in America was in the
American Jewish Committee with its Masonic brotherhood of the B'nai B'rith,
and its secret police force. Its  "smear and ruin arm," the Anti-Defamation
League, as we have stated before, is operating illegally on American soil
but with full approval of the United States government.

    After pushing a reluctant American people into World War II,
international Judaism had to crush all opposition by labeling it as
"fascist," "Nazi," or "anti-Semitic." By the stigma of these labels,
innocent but informed patriots were ruined by the wrath of well-intentioned
but brainwashed Christians. By using these brainwashed people to destroy
the patriots, it has furthered their goals of world conquest.

    A series of indictments were brought by the government of Franklin Delano
Roosevelt against thirty out-spoken anti-communists. One of these
anti-communists was Elizabeth Dilling. The indictments began in 1942 and
ran through 1944 under the direction of the American Jewish Committee. The
1943 indictment was dismissed, but the one in 1944 had Christian patriots
being tried before Jewish Judge Eicher. It was staged without any legal
basis whatsoever. Judge Eicher died during the trial, and the case was
dismissed by Judge Dolitha Laws with the scathing denunciation that it was
a crime to hold people on trial for such a lengthy time without one single
bit of evidence against them. Of course, the pro-communist press which is
owned or controlled by Jews, gloated over this staged trial.

    Goaded on by International Zionist pressure, this brave lady from Chicago
went on to write, "The Plot to Destroy Christianity" from which most of the
following information was taken. She also wrote: "Red Network," a who's who
and handbook on radicalism for patriots; " The Roosevelt Red Record and
It's Background": and "The Octopus" which is an in-depth look into
international Jewish power. As you read her powerful and well-documented
expose's, you will understand why International Zionism hated her.

    There is a missing link in Christian understanding regarding this entire
subject. The average Christian is totally unaware of a Zionist problem, or
of Zionist influence in their daily church, political and social
activities. That is proof that the American Jewish Committee has been
largely successful in their smear tactics and labeling of those who would
dare expose them. This missing link is best expressed when looking into the
subject of the Pharisees as found in the Universal Jewish Encyclopedia of
1943. It states: The Jewish religion, as it is today, traces its descent,
without a break, through all the centuries from the Pharisees. Their
leading ideas and methods found expression in a literature of enormous
extent of which a great deal is still in existence. The Talmud (Babylonian,
Ed.) is the largest and most important single piece of that literature ...
and the study of it is essential for any real understanding of Pharisaism.

    It would be reasonable for the Christian Bible scholar to recall here
that it was against the Pharisees that Jesus Christ leveled His most
devastating criticism, calling them "hypocrites," "poisonous snakes," and
even "children of the devil." In John 8:44, He indicated that they were
spiritual children of Satan, ever willing to do the dirty work of their
father. He said that they went to extreme measures to gain a convert, then
proceeded to turn them into "twofold more of a child of hell than
themselves." (Matt. 23:15) He said they deliberately nullified the
commandments of God by teaching the doctrines of men. (Mark 7:13 and Man. 1
5:6-9) It is no wonder they wanted to kill Him.

    Everywhere He went during His years on earth, we find the Son of God in
conflict with the Pharisees, who The Word says: And consulted that they
might take Jesus by subtlety (trickery, deceit), and kill Him. (Matt. 26:4)
Although Jesus admitted that the Pharisees were the children of Abraham (at
least some of them were through Esau/Edom - John 8:37), He told them that
spiritually they were of their father the devil (John 8:44).

    The Scriptural believers of Jesus' time were mostly from Galilee, as can
be seen from Bible accounts. These people were called "gentiles" by the
Jews, which equates to "non-Jews." (The most misunderstood word in
Scripture is "Jew," with "Gentile" running a close second.) The Galileans
were hounded and persecuted by the Talmudic Pharisees from the very
beginning. In Acts 12:3, we read that King Herod, who was an Edomite/Jew,..
because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter
also... (He had already incarcerated and beheaded James, the brother of
John). In I Thessalonians 2:15, the Apostle Paul, speaking of these
Talmudists said: Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets,
and have persecuted us; (Christians) and they please not God, and are
contrary to all men...... So you see how the people of that day felt about
them.

    The Babylonian Talmud, according to the top Jewish authorities, is the
sole authority of Judaism. Rabbi Louis Finklestein was chosen in 1937 by
the Jewish Committees (Kehillas) of the world as one of the top 120 Jews
living at the time. In a two-volume literary work entitled, The Pharisees.
Finklestein says: Pharisaism became Talmudism. But the spirit of the
ancient Pharisees survived unaltered. When the Jew ... studies the Talmud,
he is actually repeating the arguments used by the Palestinian academies.
>From Palestine to Babylonia, from Babylonia to North Africa, Italy, Spain,
France, and Germany; from these to Poland, Russia, and Eastern Europe,
generally ancient Pharisaism had wandered.

    Finklestein says in his book, "The Jews - Their History. Culture and
Religion." Vol.4, p.1332: Any decision regarding the Jewish religion MUST
be based on The Talmud, as the final resume of those authorities when they
existed.

    In the November 17, 1950, installment of a best selling book by the
Jewish author Herman Wouk, we read: The Talmud is to this day the
circulating heart's blood of the Jewish religion.

    As far as I have been able to determine, there was no English translation
of The Talmud prior to the Soncino Edition of 1934-48. Why was it that in
Europe, when the contents of The Talmud became commonly known, it was
burned by the orders of both the Pope and Protestant clergy? It was not
because of hatred for the Jews, but because of its contents.

    Some Jewish apologists, such as David Webber of the Southwest Radio
Church, Oklahoma City, OK, and Jack Van Impe, a popular Baptist evangelist
and writer, say it is because the Jews are God's Chosen People and
therefore Satan has a special hatred for them. If this is true, then why
did our Savior tell their leaders that they were of "their father the
devil"? (John 8:44)

    No, my Christian friend, you who have been brainwashed by Jewish
propaganda in your so-called Judeo-Christian churches of America. The Jews
have not been persecuted down through the centuries because they are God's
special people; but because of their Talmudic teachings which they have put
into operation everywhere they go. They have been hated because The Talmud
teaches that only the Pharisees rank as men - all others are animals. The
Talmud says "the people who are like an ass - slaves who are considered the
property of their Jewish masters." It has been because of teachings such as
this that the asses in every country have raised up in rebellion and
expelled them.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Descriptions of Gassing At Auschwitz
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 16:51:03 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

What a kangaroo court that Nuremberg was and the torture that was induced on
the Germans to get them to talk was horrendous. By any standard the evidence
would have been thrown out. All lies.
Michael Snead
14/88

In a message dated 9/8/99 2:25:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gormanh@home.com
writes:

<< SNEADSTER@aol.com wrote:

 > All fabricated lies of the haters of Jesus Christ and the children of
Satan.

 ...and your proof for this, Michael, other than the above?

 "I, Alois Hoellriegl, being first duly sworn, declare I was a member of the
 Totenkopf S. S. and stationed at the Mauthausen concentration camp from
January,
 1940, until the end of the war. On one occasion, I believe it was in the
fall of
 1942, Ernst Kaltenbrunner visited Mauthausen. I was on guard duty at the time
 and saw him twice. He went down into the gas chamber with Ziereis,
commandant of
 the camp, at a time when prisoners were being gassed. The sound accompanying
the
 gassing operation was well known to me. I heard the gassing taking place
while
 Kaltenbrunner was present.

 I saw Kaltenbrunner come up from the gas cellar after the gassing operation
had
 been completed.

 (Signed) Hoellriegl"
 (Document 2753-PS, Nuremberg)




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Subject: [13texan] Re: Descriptions of Gassing At Auschwitz
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 17:24:59 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Herb,
        During the trial at Nuremberg, the questioning of the witnesses was
done with torturous methods being applied. Most of us would get to the point
where we would admit to anything. Objectivity being obsolete in the media at
that time was the start of swaying the masses to believe a lie. Now the
evidence you and Philip provide was all obtained by unappeasable methods,
(not meaning by you personally but the way the information itself was
obtained).
        This entire group knows who has aggressively attacked the opinions,
positions, and principles of others. As I told the group at Talmud Exposé,  "It
is not a crime for me to believe different from you." The facts that I have
at my house, is enough for me to believe that the Holocaust didn't happen as
described by the masses' media. Now I have more books that are pro-holocaust
than not, yet the information that I have on both sides and the way I believe
is not because of hate. Though I hate the lies!
Michael Snead
14/88

In a message dated 9/8/99 2:30:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gormanh@home.com
writes:

<<          How can you call information from a group that is known for their
 > lack of objectivity "real evidence"?

 A fair comment this would be, if only you had actually examined the evidence
 itself, and explained why it was incorrect. It is interesting that you
didn't do
 this, and chose instead to attack the messenger.

 Let's put the polemics about the "group" aside and deal with the evidence,
 Michael. You can do that, can't you?


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Subject: [13texan] (Fwd) 2000-2001 Mandel Teacher Fellowship
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:27:18 -0000
From: reiver@tca.net
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Reinforcing the lies.

 ------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
 Reply-to:      
 From:          "Steve Feinberg" 
 To:            "ANTISEMITISM LISTSERV" 
 Subject:       2000-2001 Mandel Teacher Fellowship Program
 Date:          Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:17:35 -0400

 Mandel Teacher Fellowship Program
 August 2000

 The Education Division of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum is
 pleased to announce the fifth year of the Mandel Teacher Fellowship Program.
 This seven-year program is funded by a generous gift from the Mandel
 Associated Foundations.

 The Mandel Program is developing a national corps of skilled secondary
 school teachers who can serve as leaders in Holocaust education in their
 schools, communities, and professional organizations.  For each year of the
 program, up to 25 secondary school educators will be designated as Mandel
 Fellows.  They will participate in a five-day, all-expense paid summer
 institute designed to immerse participants in advanced historical and
 pedagogical issues.  The fifth annual Institute will be held July 30 to
 August 4, 2000.

 Fellows are expected to use their Institute experience to create outreach
 projects in their schools, communities, or professional organizations.  In
 May 2001, Fellows will attend a follow-up program with Museum staff to
 assess the progress of educational activities and to continue their study of
 the Holocaust.  Fellows then may apply for funds to support projects that
 promote teaching and learning about the Holocaust.

 History and Social Studies teachers are encouraged to apply.  However, other
 content areas will be considered as well. It is expected that teachers will
 have taught the Holocaust for a minimum of five years.  Teachers must teach
 in United States schools.

 To request an application or more information, contact Allen Edwards,
 Program Assistant, Mandel Teacher Fellowship Program, by phone (202)
 314-7826, fax (202) 314-7888, e-mail: aedwards@ushmm.org or write to the
 Mandel Teacher Fellowship Program, Education Division, United States
 Holocaust Memorial Museum, 100 Raoul Wallenberg Place, SW, Washington, D.C.
 20024.  Applications can also be accessed after September 13, 1999 at the
 web-site (www.ushmm.org) of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.

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Subject: [13texan] Room and Bored...
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:39:47 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Michael asks:

Philip,
    Now you are the master of Christ? You have none of the gifts of the
spirit, yet you prophesy? You are full of negated thoughts.

Phil wrote:
......and the Lord will judge you a hater on judgment day.

Michael asks:
What would a Christian hater from the seed of Satan know about a Churches
rejection?

......The true Christian church rejects you

Michael replies:
There you go Judging again...Judge Jewey...has a ring Philip

.......and your false Christianity

Michael asks:
You know our very thoughts?

Phil wrote:
<< I'm afraid you're not sorry at all.

 In a message dated 9/8/99 10:20:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
philnancy@aol.com writes:

I'm afraid you're not sorry at all. The true Christian church rejects
you and your false Christianity, and the Lord will judge you a hater on
judgment day.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] The Protocols Are Authentic
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 16:40:11 -0600
From: Ed Kadach 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

NEW LIGHT ON THE PROTOCOLS

Latest Evidence on the Veracity of this Remarkable Document
by W. Creutz

The purpose of this article is not to analyze a literary hypothesis
but to solve definitely and for all time, a mystery that is causing
destruction to all the peoples of the world.

Is there a single country that has escaped the depression which
has thrown its sinister shadow on our life since 1929? The
statesmen are seemingly powerless and seek in vain for means
to avert the fall of the nations of the world, into the pit
of Bolshevism. Our entire Christian civilization is in danger
of going down in smoke and chaos.

How can we check that moral cancer that devours slowly all
that is beautiful and noble in every nation?
How can we save our spiritual inheritance, which is many times
more valuable than all material wealth?

No cure is possible as long as we do not understand the cause
of our ailment; a correct diagnosis must precede the application
of the medicine in order to relieve the sickness which we all
observe around us, but do not comprehend.

First of all, it should be clearly realized that the crisis in
whose deadly grip we are now overtaken, is not incidental but
was carefully prepared by a gang of powerful criminals. No
recovery is possible until the tools of destruction are taken
away from these nefarious poison mixers of the universe.

Adolf Hitler realized this. A howl of rage from all corners of
the world was the answer to his quick action - but he tore the
burning fuse from the bomb set to explode in the summer of 1933.
And but for this quick action, Germany today would be suffering
the tragic lot of Russia.

This article must not be considered as the product of "religious
intolerance of the Middle Ages," nor as an attempt to stir up
pogroms and persecution, as the greater part of the world press,
would like to bave you believe, in order to mislead public opinion
at the behest of Judah.

No, we certainly do not recommend anything that can appear so
gruesome and unjust. All that we demand, is the elimination in
all countries, of those persons in key positions, who do not
merit confidence. Such an unavoidable housecleaning was performed
in Germany, to the relief of the population, after its long
period of suffering.

>From now on, the truth cannot be concealed. Facts carefully
hidden by obscure conspirators are now common knowledge among
sixty million people.

Conscienceless criminals have decided to destroy the existing
order of the whole world and to impose upon it the rule of a
Satanical Messiah.

The yeast is fermenting. In many countries there are men who
perceive the impending danger and work in the direction of
uniting forces for the struggle against the common enemy. There
will be no obstacles in the way of creating friendly relations
among Christian Gentile nations as soon as traitors, who cause
continuous friction, are eliminated.

The truth will come out into the daylight and all who will
struggle against it, will be ground down, and this is the
truth which must be loudly proclaimed. The Depression was
deliberately planned for a certain hour and had been directed
carefully and groomed, through decades by criminals obsessed
with the lust for power, murder and greed.

The actual program was drawn up about 40 years ago and was first
revealed in print, in a small pamphlet known as "The Secrets of
the Learned Elders of Zion."

The first two editions of this remarkable book were published
in 1901 and 1905. They quickly disappeared from circulation
and attracted little or no attention. One copy nevertheless
reached the British Museum in 1906 and was catalogued under
the number 3926 D. 17.
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The London "Times" stated on August 17, 1921:

"These documents attracted only a little attention before the
Revolution of 1917. The astounding breakdown of a great state
due to attack by Bolsheviks and the presence of countless Jews
among them, had the result that many people were looking
for reasonable explanations of the catastrophe. The
Protocols furnished this explanation, especially as the
tactics of the Bolsheviks at many points, were identical
with the recommendations of the Protocols."

The Protocols were published in many countries although
powerful efforts were made to prevent their publication.

One edition dated 1917 (in German) bears the title "The
Jewish-Danger;" it attracted much attention. Public opinion
became excited through the sudden revelation of this hellish
conspiracy for the destruction of Christian civilization.

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The "Morning Post" of London devoted several columns to
this subject. A sensational article appeared in the "Times"
of May 8, 1921, from which the following quotation was taken:

"What do they mean, those Protocols? Are they genuine?
Has a gang of criminals really drawn up such plans and is
triumphing over their fulfillment? Are they a forgery? But
how can one explain then this terrible prophetic gift that
foretold all this before hand? Did we fight all these years
to destroy the world power of Germany only to find ourselves
now facing a much more dangerous enemy? Have we saved
ourselves through enormous efforts from PAX GERMANICA
only to fall a victim to PAX JUDAICA?"

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The "TIMES" concludes this article with the following
significant words:

"If the Protocols were written by the Learned Elders of Zion
then everything that was attempted and done against the Jews,
is justified, necessary and urgent"

Some weighty words!

Is there any wonder then that the powerful influences against
which this terrible indictment is directed, made all possible
efforts to bring this document into discredit?

Clever steps were undertaken to prove that the Protocols were
forgeries. The Jews have again and again disputed their
authenticity. There is still pending in the courts of Berne,
Switzerland, in which a publisher is accused of defamation
for his allegations as to the genuineness of the Protocols.
The Jewish plaintiffs demand the court brand the document a
forgery and thereby prohibit its circulation by the publisher.

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"FORGERY"

On the 16th, 17th and 18th of August 1921 the London "Times"
published a series of articles in which it asserts that the
PROTOCOLS are only a clumsy fraud produced by a conscienceless
plagiarist who paraphrased a book published in Brussels in
1865. That book called "DIALOGUES IN HELL" is reported to be
written by a "Frenchman" named Maurice Joly.

The "Times" published several passages from both books in
parallel columns thus proving beyond any doubt the spiritual
kinship between them. The forgery version seemed to be well established.

The "Times" emphasized carefully its standing in regard to
the Jewish press as being absolutely non-partisan and pretended
to have exposed this "remarkable forgery" for the sake of
the truth only, as it was very important that this "LEGEND"
of the "PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION" shall
disappear as soon as possible and for ever.

Indeed so, since the matter in question is of tremendous
importance! The last of these articles terminated with
the following words:

"The fact that we have to do with a plagiarism, only, is
definitely established. Let the legend now become a
matter of the past."

But this pious wish failed to materialize. There are many
circumstances that make it impossible to accept the
assertion of the "Times" as a final decision. Something
is rotten in Denmark . . . And if we investigate we
make some interesting discoveries.

We are far from doubting the non-partisanship of the
"Times," but the "NATIONAL TIDSCRIFT" of Oslo, Norway,
in its July issue 1922, reports that a certain JEWISH
banker acquired the control of the "Times" at the time
when the last mentioned series of articles appeared.
This statement to our knowledge was never refuted.

The "Times" explains that the "forgery" was discovered
"accidentally." If true then it was a very lucky "ACCIDENT,"
considering the great importance of the question involved.

According to the "Times" a "correspondent" in Constantinople
became acquainted, by mere luck, with a certain Russian.
(Wishing to remain incognito, he was referred to as "Mr. X,")
This mysterious stranger handed the correspondent of the
"Times" the particular booklet by Joly which made it
possible to discover the "forgery."

The whole story seems to be somewhat dark and romantic. In
fact anyone may become a correspondent of a newspaper by
simply writing a letter. No evidence was produced that this
correspondent ever was in Constantinople and met a Russian
there. The identity of "Mr. X." was never revealed.

Why so much mystery about it? If a "very important matter"
is at stake, wouldn't it be simpler to produce those two
star witnesses? The names of the two gentlemen rightly
deserve to be the possession of posterity, especially
in consideration of the tremendous service rendered
to Israel. Thanks to those two gentlemen, public opinion
was cleverly focused away from the Protocols. Such
valuable service should not remain unrewarded.

The "correspondent" hinted that the "forgery" was concocted
with the purpose of influencing the conservative Russian court
against the Jews bv rendering to the imaginary Jewish peril,
the aspect of reality. But no evidence whatsoever was
produced in this respect.

How did the long since forgotten Joly book find its way to
Russia? That problem was never solved. Several untenable
theories were advanced. The mind of the reader was switched
at lightning speed from Constantinople to St. Petersburg
and from Corsica to London. . . . so that the brave British
goyim became dizzy and unable to keep in step, remaining
far back in ignorance. The game was won!

The "Times" proclaimed triumphantly that "indisputable
evidence" was produced!!! Is that so? How wonderful. . .
Now, if this watered "evidence" is properly scrutinized and
subjected to distillation the only solid substance that is
left is the fact that one of the books represents an
overwriting and further development of the other one.
Under these circumstances can the ugly word "forgery"
be applied?

A further development and widening of a certain text can
not be classified as "forgery," otherwise every preacher
who quotes a passage from the Bible without mentioning the
verse and chapter would also be considered as a forger
and plagiarist.

Such a conclusion is simply ridiculous when we consider
that the Holy Scriptures contain many parallel passages.

We respectfully invite the attention of the Honorable Elders
of Zion to the following passages of the Holy Scripture: II.
Kings 18,14 (also preceding verses) as compared to Isaiah
36. The text is nearly identical. Also I. Moses 36,31 (and
preceding verses) as compared with word to word
reproduction in I. Chron. 1,43.

Suppose that the above passages were printed in parallel
columns (as was the case with the Protocols and the
book of Joly) the result would be just as convincing
that one of the Scriptures is a paraphrase of the other.
Would this justify the statement that a clumsy fraud was
concocted and that one of the Scriptures was a forgery?

It is evident that since Moses is the author of I. Book of
Moses and the book I. Chron. is attributed to Ezra and
Nehemiah and since certain places of the last book indicate
that it was written after the Captivity of Babylon or about
860 years after the death of Moses, that in line with the
logic of the "Times," Ezra and Nehemiah, are also
"plagiarists" if the uniformity of the text is to be
considered a "forgery."

Those who with us believe that the Holy Scriptures were
inspired by God, who can commit no mistakes, will welcome
this uniformity as proof of the Almighty's wisdom. This
uniformity has a certain purpose - it shall furnish in the
"Last Days" the all smashing argument against the hordes
of Anti-Christ. [AMEN! -BeWISE]

It is as clear as daylight that no plagiarism was committed
whether from the Holy or Satanical writers. They were
using in their writings material with which they were
familiar beforehand. Shall the Rabbis continue to insist
on a "forgery" then also their own prophets shall be
accused as they committed the same crime?

Now let us continue our investigation. The path we are
following is getting warmer - we step on dangerous soil!
Let us find out who is the gentleman identified as
Maurice Joly; the mysterious correspondent (from
Constantinople) incidentally paid no attention
to his identity.

Who was this "Frenchman," the author of the "Dialogues in
Hell?" This problem is solved by Gottfried zur Beck in his
preface to the German edition of the "Protocols." In which
we find that Maurice Joly, according to the record, in
his infancy was circumcised as Moses Joel!

How strange!

Israel is doing its utmost to prove that the "Protocols"
were written with the purpose of bringing the Jews into
contempt - and now there is evidence that this satanical
plan as outlined in both of these books has the same Jewish
heart and the same Jewish mind as a source of origin.

MANIFOLD PROOFS

The highly remarkable book "Waters Flowing Eastward" by L.
Fry contains much valuable information regarding Maurice Joly
(Moses Joel). In the "Memoirs of Rene Mareuil," (one of the
members of the Ministerial Cabinet of Polignac of France)
is stated that Maurice Joly was born in 1831 and was
employed in 1848 in the ministry at Chebreau as a minor
employee. The young man was strongly influenced by Adolph
Israel Cremieux (the founder of the Alliance Israelite
Universelle.) Later he became a communist and was jailed
for two years. In 1878 he committed suicide and at his
burial the Jew Gambetta (former prime minister of France)
delivered a post-mortem speech.

It should be remembered that Gambetta played a certain part
in the French commune, that Bolshevik reign of terror that
existed in France from March 18th to May 29th, 1871, during
which time Paris was robbed and ruined. Nevertheless, by
a most remarkable coincidence none of the 145 houses owned
by Alphonse Rothschild were damaged.

What are the conclusions that can be drawn from the foregoing
information? They are:

1. The Jewish author that furnished the inspiration for
the Protocols did not confine himself to nefarious
theories; he did not hesitate to apply them practically
in criminal actions.

2. The Protocols have nothing whatsoever to do with the
Russian secret police, as the correspondent of the
"Times" infers.

3. The "Dialogues" are not a creation of an anti-semite,
but on the contrary they represent the quintessence of
Jewish idealism.

4. The satanical development of ideas of this book is
extracted from a still older work, thus proving Joly
to be a plagiarist himself.

"The Dialogues Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu" is
the title of this older book, published by Franz Duncker
at Berlin in 1850. The author of this book was the Jew
Jacob Venedey. He was born in 1805 in Cologne, Germany;
expelled from Germany he settled in Paris in 1835...
Prosecuted by the police for his subversive activities,
he was protected and defended (as was the case with
Joly) by Cremieux. Venedey was an intimate friend of
Karl Marx (alias Jew Mordechai).

With Marx's assistance he organized in 1847 "The
Communist Workers League. In 1843 he visited England
and organized another secret society having as a
purpose the promotion of Israel's world domination.

Thus it is definitely proved that both books that served
as a foundation for the Protocols, were written by
Jews, both of whom were friend of the founder of the
"Alliance Israelite Universelle," ADOLPH
ISRAEL CREMIEUX. Under these circumstances it can not
be doubted that all three books are the product
of Jewish thought.

Anyone who will study carefully these books should be very
much surprised to hear the Jews whining about Jews being
innocently persecuted and forced to defend themselves
against "Lies & Defamation." There can be no talk about
"forgery" whatsoever, as we have to do only with slightly
different versions of "ideas" coming from the same powerful
political and economical circle of influence.
The secret society that was organized by Karl Marx and
Venedey was in fact only an outgrowth of an older Jewish
organization known as "The Jewish League for Culture and
Education," which already existed in 1819. The program
for this league was taken over by A. Cremieux and
further developed.

One easily understands the "Aims" of this "league" if
he reads carefully the letter written by the Jew Baruch
Levy to Karl Marx. Here is what he writes:

"The Jewish people taken collectively will be its own
Messiah. His reign over the universe will be obtained by
the unification of the human races and through the
elimination of frontiers. A Universal Republic will come
into being in which the Sons of Israel will become the
directing element. We know how to dominate the masses.
The governments of all nations will gradually fall,
through victory of the proletariat, into the hands
of Judah. All private property will become the possession
of the Princes OF Israel - they will own the wealth
of all lands. Thus will be realized the promise of the
Talmud that when the time of the Messiah comes the
Jews will hold under their keys the property of all
the peoples of the world."

The spiritual relation between this letter and the
Protocols is exactly the same as between an
acorn and an oak. This dreadful plan is transmitted
into action in our midst every day.

The "Pan-Europa" a periodical of Count Coudenhove-Calergi
proclaimed that the aristocracy of the future will be
Jewish. (In the "New York Times" of April 14, 1933,
Samuel Untermyer made a statement to the same effect,
claiming that the Jew is the aristocrat of the
world. -Editor.) The character and behavior of this
new "aristocracy" is substantially different from the
old. The names of Bela Kun (Cohen), Kurt Eisner as well
as the Jew-Soviet "nobility" will be written for all
time in world history in letters of blood.

An interesting article appeared in the newspaper
"Die Front" published in Zurich, Switzerland on
January 3, 1934, which reported that a group of
Jews, more powerful and more influential than the
Zionists, has organized a "Cultural Movement" on
a world-wide scale with the purpose of putting
every country under Jewish domination.
Always the same leading idea - not the slightest
variation in the program.

The French magazine "Libre Parole" in its issue of
November 1933, page 27, and earlier "La Vielle
France" issue of March 10, 192 1, published a
remarkable speech of Rabbi Reichhorn delivered
in Prague in 1869 over the tomb of the Grand
Rabbi Simeon-ben-Ihuda; he said in part:

"For centuries the Sons of Israel have been despised
and persecuted, but they have fought bravely to
prepare the way for victory. Now they are
approaching their aim. They already dominate
the economic life of the damned Christians;
their influence is just as great in politics
and in moral fields. At the wished for hour,
fixed in advance, we shall let loose the
Revolution, which by ruining all classes of
Christians will definitely enslave Christendom
to us. Thus will be accomplished the promise of
God made to his people."

This promise is already accomplished in Russia. What
country will be next to experience the same tragic
fate? [WOW! -TRY A HOST OF OTHERS SINCE THESE
PROPHETIC WORDS WERE WRITTEN IN THE 1930'S!! AND
OUR TURN IS COMING SOON IF THE "MASSES" DON'T
WAKE UP *NOW*!!-BeWISE]

In a recent issue of the Jewish publication "Freurid
von Israel" the editor deplores the fact that the modern
Jewish youth seems to have disrespect towards God and
his laws. He says, "the Godless Jew seems now to be
the master of all Jewish powers. Israel runs the
danger of becoming a Satanical race." A remarkable
acknowledgement! This utterance is not made
by an anti-Semite but by a leader of a Jewish mission!
The danger is, in fact, grave. Israel has ceased, to
believe in Jehovah and is worshipping the
Golden Calf only.

End Of Part One

Racilaist regards,

Ed Kadach

"All truth passes through three stages. First,
it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
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Subject: [13texan] HISTORICAL FACTS OF THE PROTOCOLS
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 16:44:12 -0600
From: Ed Kadach 
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

HISTORICAL FACTS OF THE PROTOCOLS

A Jewish weekly, *Judische Pressezentrale*, published
in Zurich, Switzerland, claims in its issue of
December 15, 1933, that the Protocols were
fabricated by the Russian secret police in 1905
shortly after the Japanese war.

It is unwise to defend a cause by simply insisting
on something, that could easily be proved false.
How is it possible that a document, which existed
20 years previously, in three languages, could be
concocted in 19O5 - a document with which
several persons were already familiar?
That Jewish assertion is simply ridiculous. It
has been convincingly proved that the Protocols were
written first in Hebrew, then in French and last in Russian.

The Protocols represent a strategical plan, an
assembly of authenticated documents, which were kept
secret for a long time. That new edition, which
attracted so much attention throughout the whole
world was compiled and edited by the KAHAL, the
secret Jewish Government.

L. Fry says that the actual editorial work was
done by ASHER GINZBERG, also known as ACHAD-HA-AM.
This important person (also used to be known locally
in Odessa as "King of the Jews" -Editor) was one of
the four Jews who forced Balfour to make known the
declaration of November 2, 1917., through which the
Jews obtained a national home in Palestine.
Herewith they achieved one of the aims
contained in the Protocols. This evidence
is of paramount value!

ASHER GINZBERG was born in the township of Skvira,
Government of Kieff, Russia in 1856, the son of a
Jewish tax collector. He received an excellent
Talmudic education. Early in life he became
prominent in Jewish literature for his articles,
which he signed Ahad-ha-Am. GINZBERG settled in Odessa,
Russia in 1886, residing in Yamskaya Street. In 1889 he
organized a secret society known as "B'nai Moshe"
(Sons of Moses). The meetings of this secret society
were held in his house. Among the first members were:
Ben Avigdor, Zalman Epstein, Louis Epstein
and Jacob Eisenstaat.

It is through persons who lived in Odessa at that time that
information was obtained that a manuscript of the Protocols
in the Jewish language was circulated among the Jews.
The Jew BERNSTEIN, publisher of the "FREE PRESS" of Detroit,
Michigan, admitted in the presence of William Cameron
secretary to Henry Ford, that HE HAD PERSONALLY READ
THE "PROTOCOLS" IN THE HEBREW LANGUAGE IN ODESSA.

Now let us follow up the destiny of the French translation.
One copy of the Protocols was kept in the Masonic Lodge of
"Miz. raim." One member of this lodge, the Jew Joseph
Schorst - alias Shapiro - became a traitor to his race
and sold the document for 2,500 francs to Miss Justina
Glinka daughter of a Russian general. This lady who was
employed by the Russian foreign intelligence service,
sent the French copy together with the Russian
translation to General Orgensky in. St. Petersburg,
with the request to pass it on to her superior
General Cherevin, who was the Minister of the Interior
and whose duty it was to take action accordingly.

But, as regretful as it may appear now, Gen. Cherevin was
deeply entangled financially with rich and powerful
Jews and did not dare to fulfill such a dangerous
mission. He pigeonholed the document in his archives,
where it was found after his death in 1896.

The Jew Schorst was obliged to flee for his life,
but was murdered in Egypt. In the meantime invisible
enemies were persecuting Miss Glinka. She was framed
and fell into disfavor with the Tsars Court and was
finally exiled to her estate in the government of Orel.
There she met the Governor General of this district,
ALEXIS SUKHOTIN and handed him a copy of the
Protocols, pointing out that SYPIAGUIN (another
Minister of the Interior) had been murdered for
attempting to check the Jewish revolutionary
activities. Sukhotin showed the document to
two friends, STEPANOFF & NILUS. The former circulated
it privately in 1897; the second, Professor Sergius
Nilus, published it in 1901.

This information is mostly drawn from L. Fry's work:
"Waters Flowing Eastward." It is corroborated by a
statement made by Philip Stepanov, Chamberlain,
Privy Councillor and former Procurator of the Holy
Synod at Moscow; it is witnessed by
Prince DIMITRI GALITZlN.

This evidential document, delivered on April 17th
1927, has been photographically reproduced, and
the writer of these pages owns a copy of it.
Stepanov states he received the M. S. of the
Protocols in 1895 from Major Sukhotin. He had
them printed privately and gave a copy to A. T.
KELEPOVSKY, chief of Grand Duke Sergius'
household. After reading them, the Grand Duke
sighed and murmured; "TOO LATE!" He was
assassinated shortly afterward.

It has been often asserted that the Protocols, which are a
strategic plan for the conquest of the world and domination
by Israel were read at the First Zionist Congress in 1897 at
Basle, Switzerland. The Jews always deny it most vigorously a
and use as an argument the fact that the official record of the
Congress makes no mention of it. That sort of argument has no
value at all, when one takes into consideration that the furious
differences between Ginzberg and Herzl were also not mentioned
in the record. The officially published record is incomplete
and does not possess any convincing power in that respect.

Only a few participants at that Congress are still alive;
one of them Marcus Ehrenpriss the chief Rabbi of Stockholm,
Sweden, explained in the "Judisk Tidskrift" no. 6, 1926, that
the triumph of Israel was prophetically foreseen by Hertzl
20 years ahead.

Thirty million Christians were sacrificed in the World War - but
the Jewish aims were achieved. Russia was destroyed; the peace
came without victory; all sides were impoverished - and
Palestine was handed to the Jews! (The next war which is now
in preparation shall lead to the complete downfall of the Goyim.)

The secret record of the Zionist Congress in Basle was secured
by the Russian government through the efforts of secret service
man Ratchkovsky, who bought it from two Jews Eno Asev and
Rabbi From. The latter sought later security in a monastery
in Jugoslavia, where he died in 1925. When the secret record
of the Basle Congress was examined by the Russian police it
was discovered to their great surprise that the
acquired documents were identical with the Protocols.

Ratchkovsky died suddenly under' "mysterious
circumstances," shortly after making an important
report to the Chief of Gendarmes, General Kourloff.
Kourloff was convinced that Ratchkovsky was murdered.
Professor Nilus was subjected to inhuman tortures by the Cheka
and died in 1929.

All these circumstances form a chain of steel links, each of
which can be checked up. The witnesses introduced are not
unknown adventurers, but are educated and trustworthy
persons of high social rank.

We really feel obliged to ask the "Judische
Pressezentrale" to explain how was it possible
for all those persons to read, translate and
circulate documents ten, fifteen and twenty
years before they were composed? The Jews
pretend that the "Protocols" were concocted by two
members of the secret police of Russia. Suppose, but
the whole prophetical program has since turned
into reality!!!

How was it possible for two minor police officials to
alter completely the face of the whole world, to
overthrow thrones and to destroy empires? How did
they succeed in accumulating all the gold of the
world in their hands, to ruin entire nations and
to muzzle the press? ? ?

"CAMOUFLAGE"

The very essence of the Jewish danger is hidden in that one word. No
other artifice yields so much profit as the art of "camouflage."

The *goyim* are so pathetically gullible in that respect - a new
name is sufficient to make a gentleman out of a criminal.

Camouflage is a very recent invention. If Nero could
have thought of this brilliant idea and had changed
his name to Socrates his reputation would
doubtless have been as clean and spotless
as that of Mr. Finklestein-Litvinoff!
When that famous diplomat was pompously received
first by the Prime Minister of Great Britain
and later by President Roosevelt all delicate
subjects were carefully avoided. Twenty-five
years ago that "guest of honor" was
arrested at the Gare du Nord in Paris by police
inspector Guichard for circulating stolen bank
notes. Those bank notes were obtained during an
armed robbery in Tiflis; bombs were exploded
and terrific fire from automatic pistols
caused the death of fifty persons. The
robbers obtained one million roubles.

If Mr. MacDonald and Mr. Roosevelt care to
have a suitable souvenir of their guest,
all they have to do is to ask the Paris
police for his fingerprints.

There are, no doubt, in England and America,
some old fashioned people who are shocked
by such visitors and deeply ashamed
of such affiliations.

A powerful movement to the contrary is developing
in this country, but is perceptible only by
the most keen observers; it grows daily and
is bound to assume tremendous proportions soon.

The Jews have spotted it already - their
fine sense of observation tells them
that something has changed.

Recently Rabbi Shulman of Chicago speaking before a
large audience expressed himself as follows:

"The Jews become anxious on account of a precedent
set up by Hitler, which might also be followed by
other countries. The Jews are being accused of
having caused the depression. They are afraid of
their lives as nobody can tell whether or not
some day the great extermination of the
Jews will break out."

That is just the great danger! It is written: An eye
for an eye and a tooth for a tooth (2nd. Moses
 21, 24) and "They have sown the wind and will
reap the storm." (Hosea 8, 7.)

Those prophetic words should be remembered
by all true Christians with anxiety. We want
justice which does not exclude
mercy, but no vengeance and no
physical violence. The problem today is: how to
save the Aryan peoples from the claws of the Jews?

Tomorrow another complicated problem arises:
how to save the Jews from the vengeance
of the Gentiles?

THE PROGRAM

Now that we have produced ample evidence on the
authenticity of the "Protocols" - we will give for
the benefit of the reader, a short synopsis of the
gigantic strategical plan. The persons who are not
as yet awake to the great conspiracy for the
destruction of Christian Civilization should
study it carefully and realize the great
danger impending.

They should examine minutely the bait that is
laid out for them and let us hope they will have
enough common sense not to swallow
it. One can never be sure of it anyway as
many prefer to continue to sleep quietly
instead of straining their brains. "Kismet!"
There is no God's law for the saving of
the imbecile.

Here is the plan invented by the "Learned Elders
of Zion," the master program laid down in
the "Protocols."

"WE SHALL":

1. Seduce and demoralize the youth with false doctrines.

2. Destroy the family life.

3. Dominate humanity by preying upon their lower instincts and vices.

4. Debase and vulgarize art, and introduce filth in Literature.

5. Destroy respect for religions; undermine the reputation of the
clergy through scandalous stories and back up the so called
Higher Criticism so that the old fundamental faith is shattered
and quarrels and controversies become permanent in the churches.

6. Introduce the habit for luxuries, crazy fashions and spendthrift
ideas so that the ality for enjoying clean and plain pleasures is lost.

7. Divert the attention of the people by public amusements, sports,
games, prize contests, etc., so that there is no time for thinking.

8. Confuse and bewilder the minds of the people by false theories
and shatter the nerves and health by continuously introducing
new poisons. (Alcohol, nicotine, drugs, demineralized
foods, etc. -Editor.)

9. Instigate class hatred and class war among the different
classes of people.

10. Dispossess the old aristocracy, which still keeps up high
traditions by excessive taxes and replace it with the "Knights
of the Golden Calf."

11. Poison the relations between the employees and employers
through strikes and lockouts so as to ruin the possibility of
productive co-operation.

12. Demoralize by all means the higher classes of society and
by adverse publicity raise the hate of the people toward them.

13. Use industry to ruin agriculture and then in its turn
destroy industry by wild speculation.

14. Spread all possible utopian theories so as to bring the
people into a labyrinth of impractical ideas.

15. Raise the rate of wages, which however will not bring any
advantage to the workers for at the same time we shall produce
a rise in the price of the first necessities of life.

16. Cause diplomatic friction and misunderstanding between
states which will increase international suspicions and hate
thereby greatly augmenting armaments.

17. Introduce in all states, general suffrage so that the
destiny of nations depend upon ignorant people.

18. Overthrow all monarchies and substitute republics for
them; in so far as possible fill important state offices
with persons who are involved in some unlawful affair and
who will, from fear of being exposed, remain our
obedient servants.

19. Gradually amend all constitutions so as to prepare the
soil for absolute despotism and Bolshevism.

20. Establish huge monopolies upon which even the great fortunes
of the Gentiles will depend to such an extent that they will be
swallowed up at the "hour" when the industrial crisis will start.

21. Destroy all financial stability; increase economic
depressions to the extent of bringing a general world bankruptcy;
stop the wheels of industry; make bonds, stocks and paper money
worthless; accumulate all the gold of the world in the hands
of a certain few people thus withdrawing tremendous capital
from circulation; at a given hour close all the exchanges,
withdraw all credits and cause general panic.

22. Prepare the death struggle of the nations; wear out humanity
through suffering, fear and shortage of food - hunger creates slaves!!!

That is the program!

The chief element necessary for the success of this plan is
secrecy. Therefore the invisible enemy has taken special
precautions for keeping humanity in ignorance of their
systematic efforts in preparing THE KINGDOM OF ANTI-CHRIST.

Indeed everything was foreseen in that program and nothing
disregarded.

Was the "Times" justified or not in saying: "If the "Protocols"
were really written by the Learned Elders of Zion, then everything
that was attempted and done against the Jews, is justified,
necessary and urgent"?

CONCLUSION

The Hidden Hand is exposed; its game is lost as it can act only
in the darkness. Will Judah admit its defeat or will it continue
to fight? The proud dream of world domination has faded out as
the main condition of success consisted in taking the world by
surprise. The Russian giant was asleep as well as deeply wounded,
but Germany which happened to be very much awake to the danger,
sounded the alarm which keeps ringing in all corners of the world.

It is not between Berlin or Moscow that humanity has to choose
today but between CHRIST and ANTI-CHRIST. There can only be two
camps; the one of the God-fearing and the other of the godless.
In these two camps there is plenty of room for all
races and nations.

The good ones in any nation should fight and suppress the
wicked ones. How can it be achieved?

With possibly a single exception there will be hardly a
newspaper in the world which will have the courage
to print this message.

But still and all the whole power of Judah is not
sufficient to prevent this message from spreading like an
electric spark from pole to pole. All over the world a new
generation is arising which did not bend its
knee before the Golden Calf. This generation will
clean out the "Augean Stables" - from the governments by all
nations it will drive out the jittering political old men
with evil smelling pockets.

The stolen billions shall be again distributed for the welfare of
the suffering people. Friendly cooperation shall replace
fruitless rivalry.

A national home for the Jews shall be created in a distant place
on the globe where the Jews can work among themselves and prove to
the world that they can make good. The confiscated money will richly
pay for the general Jewish repatriation in the "New Palestine."
The *goyim* who have been bought by Jewish money may follow their
masters into exile. That would be just and not expensive.

A deep breath of liberation will then be released by the whole
suffering world. A mountain of trouble will fall from its shoulders!

Conclusion.

Racialist regards,

Ed Kadach

"All truth passes through three stages. First,
it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
---Schopenhauer

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Subject: [13texan] Race Haters are the Jews
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:45:27 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

    The true race haters in this century [ and many others] are in actuality
the Jews, contrary to popular beliefs, and Hitler, who supposedly was
responsible for the deaths of millions of Jews  was in fact a saint compared
to his counterparts in Jewish controlled Soviet Russia. Adolph Hitler was
sending the Jews to the Middle East for years in order to help them set up
their own home land.but the obnoxious, arrogant Jews declared war on the
Germans and were placing economies sanctions against the very people who were
helping them to obtain their own home land.
    The Jews want their own retirement community where the United States tax
payer pays 147 million dollars a day just for their National Security. Israel
costs the United States more money on a daily basis than the top seven
welfare states  (mooching anti American Puerto Rica included in that
category) combined monthly. This anti-Christian nation should defend their
own actions and pay for the pain and suffering they have caused throughout
the entire world.
    In the 1950s that number of Holocaust casualties was 15 million, but
after the mathematics of the opposition of the Holocaust's validity was
challenged and proof was demanded, the bean counters of the event decided to
lower the number to 7 million in the late 60s and then in the late 70s the
number was lowered to 6 million.
People in some countries who deny  the holocaust  are imprisoned, what is
with that? That is a law that had to be pushed into legislation by none other
than a Jew who fears the real truth only discovered by debate. Debate cannot
be curtailed by laws preventing the opposite views of any subject. That is
the Hate Crime!!
Hitler has been painted as a murderous tyrant and for the sake of argument
let's say he did have 6 million Jews put to death.
       Lenin, Trotsky, and Kaganovich were all Jews in power of the Bolshevik
led revolutionary Soviet Union from 1918 to 1959 and responsible for the
deaths of  65-100 million people. Kaganovich was Stalin's Brother-in-law  and
was more than willing to suggest purging an opposition rather than debate.
Millions were intentionally starved to death in the 1920s when the United
States sent help to the Bolsheviks during their droughts. Food was diverted
from many cities where these people were isolated and starved to death
intentionally.
Michael Snead
14/88


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Subject: [13texan] Re: Descriptions of Gassing At Auschwitz
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 15:52:03 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=938

> What a kangaroo court that Nuremberg was and the torture that was
induced on
> the Germans to get them to talk was horrendous. By any standard the
evidence
> would have been thrown out. All lies.

And of course you can present some evidence for these lies, er
assertions?

Philip Mathews

> Michael Snead
> 14/88
>
>
>
> In a message dated 9/8/99 2:25:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
gormanh@home.com
> writes:
>
> << SNEADSTER@aol.com wrote:
>
>  > All fabricated lies of the haters of Jesus Christ and the children
of
> Satan.
>
>  ...and your proof for this, Michael, other than the above?
>
>  "I, Alois Hoellriegl, being first duly sworn, declare I was a member
of the
>  Totenkopf S. S. and stationed at the Mauthausen concentration camp
from
> January,
>  1940, until the end of the war. On one occasion, I believe it was in
the
> fall of
>  1942, Ernst Kaltenbrunner visited Mauthausen. I was on guard duty at
the time
>  and saw him twice. He went down into the gas chamber with Ziereis,
> commandant of
>  the camp, at a time when prisoners were being gassed. The sound
accompanying
> the
>  gassing operation was well known to me. I heard the gassing taking
place
> while
>  Kaltenbrunner was present.
>
>  I saw Kaltenbrunner come up from the gas cellar after the gassing
operation
> had
>  been completed.
>
>  (Signed) Hoellriegl"
>  (Document 2753-PS, Nuremberg)
>
>
>
>

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Descriptions of Gassing At Auschwitz
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 15:58:12 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=939
> Herb,
>         During the trial at Nuremberg, the questioning of the
witnesses was
> done with torturous methods being applied.

But you have no evidence of this specious claim, so it constitutes mere
talk.

 Most of us would get to the point
> where we would admit to anything. Objectivity being obsolete in the
media at
> that time was the start of swaying the masses to believe a lie.

You weren't talking about the media, but about Nuremberg. Do you have
attention deficit disorder?

 Now the
> evidence you and Philip provide was all obtained by unappeasable
methods,
> (not meaning by you personally but the way the information itself was
> obtained).

Again you have no evidence of this. Just typical mindless denial. And
by the way, most of the evidence we've presented had nothing to do with
Nuremberg.  Of course you would know that if you knew anything at all
about the history of the Holocaust.

>         This entire group knows who has aggressively attacked the
opinions,
> positions, and principles of others. As I told the group at  HREF="http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/">Talmud
Exposé,  "It
> is not a crime for me to believe different from you." The facts that
I have
> at my house, is enough for me to believe that the Holocaust didn't
happen as
> described by the masses' media.

Since you've revealed no facts, this is hard to believe. But
understand, it doesn't matter what you believe, historical events as
fact are not the result of a personal opinion. You can no more declare
the Holocaust didn't happen then you can dismiss D-day.

> Now I have more books that are pro-holocaust
> than not, yet the information that I have on both sides and the way I
believe
> is not because of hate. Though I hate the lies!

Sure Michael. What are the titles of some of the anti-Holocaust books
you have?

Philip Mathews

> Michael Snead
> 14/88
>
>
>
> In a message dated 9/8/99 2:30:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
gormanh@home.com
> writes:
>
> <<          How can you call information from a group that is known
for their
>  > lack of objectivity "real evidence"?
>
>  A fair comment this would be, if only you had actually examined the
evidence
>  itself, and explained why it was incorrect. It is interesting that
you
> didn't do
>  this, and chose instead to attack the messenger.
>
>  Let's put the polemics about the "group" aside and deal with the
evidence,
>  Michael. You can do that, can't you?
>
>
>   >>

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Subject: [13texan] Re: The Protocols Are Authentic
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 16:01:22 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Kadach wrote:

Poor Eddie thinks if he posts the wacko views of some nobody attesting
to the authenticity of the Protocols that he can somehow overcome the
sad fact that not a single historian accepts them as authentic. But
then again, Eddie doesn't care about the truth, he posts lies to hurt
Jews because he hates Jews. Poor Eddie.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Room and Bored...
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 16:04:18 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=942
>
> Michael asks:
>
> Philip,
>     Now you are the master of Christ? You have none of the gifts of
the
> spirit, yet you prophesy? You are full of negated thoughts.
>
> Phil wrote:
> ......and the Lord will judge you a hater on judgment day.
>
>
>
> Michael asks:
> What would a Christian hater from the seed of Satan know about a
Churches
> rejection?
>
> ......The true Christian church rejects you
>
>
> Michael replies:
> There you go Judging again...Judge Jewey...has a ring Philip

Thanks for demonstrating your antisemitism again. How long have you had
this sense of self loathing?

>
> .......and your false Christianity
>
>
>
>
> Michael asks:
> You know our very thoughts?

I've been unable to discern any on your part.

>
> Phil wrote:
> << I'm afraid you're not sorry at all.
>

Indeed you aren't,  although you are a sorry fool.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: HISTORICAL FACTS OF THE PROTOCOLS
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 16:06:52 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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Kadach wrote:

More lies about the authenticity of the Protocols, a known forgery not
accorded  any notice by any historian, but adored by vicious, Jew
haters like trailer park Eddie.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: "Adamic Man"
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 19:13:16 -0400
From: americans@grove.net
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AMEN , AMEN and AMEN !!!!

Blessings to you !
Ramon

At 09:58 AM 9/8/99 PDT, you wrote:
>Another wrote this from another list. It is food for thought. JM
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>A confirming addendum, if I may.  The very name Adam is the definition
>of a white man, and, therefore white race, who later became the Israelites
>and Judaens.  There is a clay named "adamite" from which Adam was created by
>God.  The several definitions of Adam begins in Strong's Concordance with
>reference 119 of the Hebrew section.
>With this said, Genesis 5:1 is very definitive in whom the bible pertains:
>
>"This the book of the generations of Adam.  In the day that God crea ted
>man, in the likeness of God made he him;"  And in Genesis 5:2:
>Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their
>name Adam, in the day when they were created.
>
>Every name, every race, every thing and place mentioned in the bible, from
>Genesis 1 through the Book of Revelations are incidental to the story of the
>white race, or "man."  All of the genealogies listed throughout the bible
>are there for the purpose of ascertaining the purity of man, the white race,
>to and through the birth of Christ, and for no other reason.
>
>The blacks have been on earth for untold millions of years. They were the
>first creation, in Genesis 1-24, of humanoid bipeds, and we Adamites were
>the creation of Genesis 2:7.  The adultery by Eve in mixing these seeds was
>the "great sin."  The "mark" of Cain was that he was a mulatto, and easily
>found his way into the black (beasts of the field) hordes camped in "Nod"
>(East of Eden).  All other races are, biblically, derivatives of the
>"marriage" of Cain with these blacks.  There can be no black "man," yellow
>"man," red "man," etc., because man defines the white race, or Adamites.
>
>I know there will be an uproar of "racism," and other demeaning cries, but
>all one has to do is read the proof.  This is not my interpretation, but
>biblical facts.  The bible is rife with descriptions of who the beast of the
>field really is, but the best is in Isaiah 56:9 through 12.  He hasn't
>changed much since the days of Isaiah, and never will.
>
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Thought for the Day:

"The Compromise of principles for peace results in SLAVERY"

R. Sparks

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Room and Bored...
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:32:53 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
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In a message dated 9/8/99 7:07:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, philnancy@aol.com
writes:

<< Thanks for demonstrating your antisemitism again. How long have you had
 this sense of self loathing? >>

How long have you been a child of Satan and a Holohaox denier?
Michael Snead
14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Charge Room and Board for Concentration Camps
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:57:44 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

In a message dated 9/8/99 9:27:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, philnancy@aol.com
writes:

<< Spoken like the despicable Jew hater Snead is. Nothing could repay the
 survivors for the loss of 6 million. Snead will pay his price on
 judgement day.

 Philip Mathews
  >>

I thought that it was 5.3 million.....Phil...you really are confused about
the number aren't you? Well, that is understandable since it is hard to
remember which lie you have told to whom. Judgment day...My god is a loving
God and God full of Grace and Truth....
Michael Snead14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Jews Forced America Into World War II
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 21:43:07 -0600
From: Ed Kadach 
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How The jews Forced America Into World War II

     In the years before World War II, the American public had no desire to
go to war in either Europe or Asia. The Americans, had no interest in
warring with Germany, Italy or Japan. Yet America was forced to battle the
Axis Powers for four long years at the sole behest of International Jewry.
In fact, World Jewry commenced its war against Germany in 1933, the year
Hitler came to power, even before he had time to begin implementing a
program for pulling Germany out of its own economic depression.

     Jewry's declaration of a 'holy war' against Germany was issued by
Samuel Untermeyer of the World Jewish Federation, who said in the New York
'Times' August 7, 1933, that it would be means of an 'economic boycott that
will undermine the Hitler regime and bring the German people to their
senses by destroying their export trade on which their very existence
depends.'

     The Toronto 'Evening Telegram' February 26, 1940, quotes Rabbi Maurice
Perlzweig of the World Jewish Congress as telling a Canadian audience that
'the World Jewish Congress has been at war with Germany for seven years'
[i.e. 1933].

     Jews were obviously willing to back up their threats, for the London
'Sunday Chronicle' of January 2, 1938, reported that 'leaders of
International Jewry' had met in Geneva, Switzerland to set up a $2.5
BILLION fund to undermine the economic stability of Germany.

     However, jewish boycotts against Germany failed to bring that nation
to its knees as [because] Hitler had already freed Germany from dependence
on jewish usury.

     Since economic pressure by World Jewry could not break the back of
Germany, it was determined that an actual war would be necessary to destroy
Hitler [the German People for they had thrown off the control of the
International Banks].

     This desire to decimate Germany is understandable when one recognizes
that jews have a parasitic mentality and as parasites will fight to the death
when the host attempts to expel them.

     The jewish desire for war was admitted by Rabbi Felix Mendelsohn in
the Chicago "Sentinel" of October 8, 1942, where he states:

       "The second World War is being fought for the Defense of the
Fundamentals of Judaism."

      Thus, Rabbi Mendelsohn flatly expresses the view that WW II was a
jewish war. This jewish scheme came to fruitation in 1939, Germany invaded
Poland. Britain and France, under jewish domination, then declared war on
Germany, conveniently ignoring the fact that The Soviet Union [under jewish
rule] also invaded Poland.

     Think about it - use your head - if England and France declared war on
Germany just because they invaded Poland then why did they not also declare
war against Russia because Russia also invaded Poland when Germany did?

     James Forestall, later to become Secretary of Defense in his diary of
December 27, 1945, notes that he played golf with Joseph Kennedy FDR's
Ambassador to Britain, who told him that ex-Prime Minister Neville
Chamberlain 'stated that America and the world jews had forced England into
war.' For his candor and later opposition to the bandit state of UNIsrael,
Forestall was murdered in 1949 [ruled a 'suicide']. Jews throughout the
world screamed that Germany was intent on ruling the world, but General
George C. Marshall admitted after the war, in testimony before Congress [it
is recorded in the Congressional Record], that no proof could be found that
Hitler planned any conquest of the world.

     In fact, Hitler's actions against Czechoslovakia over the Sudentenland
and Poland over Danzig were just part of Hitler's long stated desire to
re-acquire the territory taken from Germany after WW I in the Treaty of
Versailles.

     While stones are being cast, it should be recalled that after Germany
took back the Sudentenland from Czechoslovakia, Poland seized the territory
of Treschen from the Czechs which had no claims toward it. So, after the
jews had ignited a war in Europe, it was found to be necessary to draw
America into that war as France had fallen and Britain tottered on the
brink of defeat.

     To bring the U.S. into this jewish war, International Jewry had the
services of a master at corrupt politics, the one and only Franklin Delano
Roosevelt [Who will without a doubt, someday go down as the greatest traitor
America has ever known].

"My people are destroyed for lack of Knowledge." (Hosea 4:6)

2 Chronicles 19:2: "Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that
hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD."

NUNC SCIO TENEBRIS LUX
Ed Kadach

"All truth passes through three stages. First,
it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
---Schopenhauer

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Subject: [13texan] The Ritual Murder that Still Resounds
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 21:56:40 -0600
From: Ed Kadach 
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The Ritual Murder that Still Resounds Eighty Years After the Fact

U.V

The ritual murder of Tsar Nicholas II and his family was a watershed
event and the ramifications of that crime are still being felt throughout
the world; not just Russia. Moreover, the balance of power in the world
today might accurately be attributed to the ritual murder of the Romanov
family.

According to Mark Weber of the IHR, in an essay entitled "Assessing the
Grim Legacy of Soviet Communism," recent research and investigation by
the Moscow playwright and historian Edvard Radzinsky and others
corroborates the account provided years earlier by Robert Wilton,
correspondent of the London Times in Russia for 17 years. Wilton's
account, "The Last Days of the Romanovs"—originally published in 1920—is
based in large part on the findings of a detailed investigation carried
out in 1919 by Nikolai Sokolov under the authority of "White"
(anti-Communist) leader Alexander Kolchak. Wilton’s book remains one of
the most accurate and complete accounts of the murder of Russia’s
imperial family.

Edvard Radzinsky’s research has confirmed what earlier evidence had
already indicated. The jew, Leon Trotsky (Lev Bronstein), one of Lenin’s
closest colleagues, had revealed years earlier that Lenin and the jew,
Sverdlov, had together made the decision to put the Tsar and his family
to death.

Abe Foxman's and the ADL's motive in trying to quash the ongoing Russian
investigation of this crime is understandable. In recent years, jews
around the world have been voicing anxious concern over the specter of
anti-Judaism in the lands of the former Soviet Union. In this new and
uncertain era, we are told, suppressed feelings of hatred and rage
against jews are once again being expressed. According to one public
opinion survey conducted in 1991, for example, most Russians wanted all
jews to leave the country. But precisely why is anti-jewish sentiment so
widespread among the peoples of the former Soviet Union? Why do so many
Russians, Ukrainians, Lithuanians and others blame "the jews" for so much
misfortune?

Although officially jews have never made up more than five percent of
Russia’s total population, they played a highly disproportionate and
probably decisive role in the infant Bolshevik regime, effectively
dominating the Soviet government during its early years. Soviet
historians, along with most of their colleagues in the West, for decades
preferred to ignore this subject. The facts, though, cannot be denied.

With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the
leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were jews. Leon
Trotsky (Lev Bronstein) headed the Red Army and, for a time, was chief of
Soviet foreign affairs. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the Bolshevik
party’s executive secretary and—as chairman of the Central Executive
Committee—head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev (Radomyslsky)
headed the Communist International (Comintern), the central agency for
spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other prominent jews included
press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn), foreign affairs commissar Maxim
Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld) and Moisei Uritsky.

Lenin himself was of mostly Russian and Kalmuck ancestry, but he was also
one-quarter jewish. His maternal grandfather, Israel (Alexander) Blank,
was a Ukrainian jew who was later baptized into the Russian Orthodox
Church. A thorough-going internationalist, Lenin viewed ethnic or
cultural loyalties with contempt. He had little regard for his own
countrymen. "An intelligent Russian," Lenin once remarked, "is almost
always a jew or someone with jewish blood in his veins."

Soviet Communism was jewish and the massive slaughters that jews were
conducting there were well known to the Germans. With Communist jews
fomenting a similar revolution in Germany, it is understandable that the
Germans were terrified by Bolshevism and by jews. Germany's anti-jewish
sentiment can hardly be regarded as other than a perfectly natural
response to jewish Bolshevism, and just as the U.S. interned Japanese,
Germans and Italians during WWII, the Germans did the same with jews and
put them in labor camps when she went to war with the Soviet Union.

Too many people think that Germany imprisoned jews simply because they
were jews. But that's just not the truth. According to the jewish
historian, Norman Cantor, in his book, "The Sacred Chain," jews in
Germany, prior to WWII, enjoyed better relations with the Christian
Germans than jews ever had with any other people in their history. That
Germany's sentiments towards the jews should have turned apparently
overnight cannot be explained any other way, than that the jews
themselves by virtue of their fomenting Bolshevism are responsible. Had
jews not been trying to foment a communist revolution in Germany as they
had done in Russia, and were not the massive crimes of the jewish
Bolsheviks in the Soviet Union so constantly and terrifyingly before
Germany's eyes, there is absolutely no reason to think that Germans would
have developed so potent an anti-jewish sentiment.

Igor Shafarevich, a Russian mathematician of world stature, has sharply
criticized the jewish role in bringing down the Romanov monarchy and
establishing Communist rule in his country. In "Russophobia," a book
written ten years before the collapse of Communist rule, Shafarevich
noted that jews were "amazingly" numerous among the personnel of the
Bolshevik secret police. The characteristic jewishness of the Bolshevik
executioners, Shafarevich went on, is most conspicuous in the execution
of Nicholas II:

"This ritual action symbolized the end of centuries of Russian history,
so that it can be compared only to the execution of Charles I in England
or Louis XVI in France. It would seem that representatives of an
insignificant ethnic minority should keep as far as possible from this
painful action, which would reverberate in all history. Yet what names
do we meet? The execution was personally overseen by Yakov Yurovsky who
shot the Tsar; the president of the local Soviet was Beloborodov
(Vaisbart); the person responsible for the general administration in
Ekaterinburg was Shaya Goloshchekin. To round out the picture, on the
wall of the room where the execution took place was a distich from a poem
by Heine (written in German) about King Balthazar, who offended Jehovah
and was killed for the offense."

The jewish head of the Soviet Red Army, Trotsky, defended the massacre of
the Romanovs as a useful and even necessary measure. He wrote:

"The decision [to kill the imperial family] was not only expedient but
necessary. The severity of this punishment showed everyone that we would
continue to fight on mercilessly, stopping at nothing. The execution of
the Tsar’s family was needed not only in order to frighten, horrify, and
instill a sense of hopelessness in the enemy (the Russian
anti-Communists) but also to shake up our own ranks, to show that there
was no turning back, that ahead lay either total victory or total doom.
This Lenin sensed well."

The jewish role in the despotic Soviet regime cannot be justified. In a
recently published book about the jews in Russia during the 20th century,
Russian-born jewish writer Sonya Margolina goes so far as to call the
jewish role in supporting the Bolshevik regime the "historic sin of the
jews." She points, for example, to the prominent role of jews as
commandants of Soviet Gulag concentration and labor camps, and the role
of jewish Communists in the systematic destruction of Russian Christian
churches. Moreover, she goes on, "The jews of the entire world supported
Soviet power, and remained silent in the face of any criticism from the
opposition."  In light of this record, Margolina offers a grim
prediction:

"The exaggeratedly enthusiastic participation of the jewish Bolsheviks in
the subjugation and destruction of Russia is a sin that will be avenged.
Soviet power will be equated with jewish power, and the furious hatred
against the Bolsheviks will become hatred against jews."

In my judgment, it's impossible to even hope that jews will not
ultimately be held to account for their massive crimes against humanity
in the 20th century. And they've no one to blame for their sorry lot but
themselves. The ADL, the JDL, and all the jewish federations combined
cannot stay the certain justice that is definitely on its way.

NUNC SCIO TENEBRIS LUX

Ed Kadach

"All truth passes through three stages. First,
it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
---Schopenhauer

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Subject: [13texan] The Talmudic hatered and racism
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 00:15:38 EDT
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    The follow is an article that Willie Martin wrote that I felt the
necessity to share with all of you at this point. Some of the parts of the
Talmud are repeated from what I posted but I didn't want to change what he
has worked so hard to write.
Michael Snead
14/88

    Moses, in contrast to Talmudic teaching, was insistent upon one law for
the stranger and the homeborn and taught that the stranger must not be
oppressed. (Exodus 12:49) The Talmud on the other hand, teaches the Jew that
the stranger in his midst is fair game for the Jews. (The word "stranger," as
used in this Exodus passage comes from the Hebrew word "gehr," and means by
implication a foreigner, or alien.)
>
>   Was Jesus being fair when He denounced the Pharisees in such scathing
terms? It is impossible to know unless you know what The Talmud teaches.
Irrefutable exhibits from Jewish authorities show beyond the shadow of a
doubt that The Talmud reverses every one of the Ten Commandments of God, the
teachings of Moses and the prophets and enshrines their own obscene opposites
as the "whited sepulchres" Jesus spoke about in Matt. 23:27 which were
beautiful on the outside, but full of stench and corruption within.
>
>   Murder of non-Pharisees is permitted by Talmudic law, as is theft,
sodomy, incest and rape. The righteousness of grown men violating a little
girl under the age of three is one of the favorite topics of discussion in
book after book of The Talmud. (Dr. Neusner fails to mention this in his
defense of The Talmud.)
>
>   The word "Babylon" in the Bible refers to everything that is foul and
pagan. The word means "confusion." Most commentaries on the curses pronounced
on Babylon in Isaiah chapters 13 and 14 and Jeremiah 50 and 51 refer not only
to ancient Babylon, but to the spiritual Babylon which exists today. In the
Book of Revelation, this mystery power is called BABYLON THE GREAT, MOTHER OF
HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. She is pictured as being "drunk with
the blood of the saints and martyrs of Jesus Christ." It is the vast,
powerful, one-world government (called the New World Order by the
conspirators) that is being pushed by our political leaders today which will
eventually make war with the Lamb and be destroyed. While Talmudic literature
goes overboard in its praise of Babylon, it is a term of reproach in both the
Old and New Testaments.
>
>   It was during the Babylonian captivity of the southern Kingdom of Judah
that the priests discovered how the Torah (the Mosaic Law) could be used as
"whited sepulchres," to cover up the degeneracy of Babylon. Many of those
Judahites became racially mixed with their captors and became a bastardized
people. Both these racially mixed Jews and those who were racially still
pure, returned to Jerusalem. They deserted their temple worship for
synagogues; they deserted their Levitical priesthood for that of the
Pharisees; they left the true worship of their Hebrew forefathers and
substituted the heathen ideology of Judaism.
>
>   While in Babylonia, the seeds of world conquest were sown among the
Judeans in Babylon. They intermingled with the heathen culture of Babylonia
and became successful in the use of usury which was forbidden under God's
Law. They changed the worship of the true God and adopted the heathen, occult
practices of the Babylonians.
>
>   Some Christian leaders will be quick to point out that there was also a
Palestinian Talmud which is not nearly as violent in its relationship to
Christianity as The Babylonian Talmud. But the noted Jewish Rabbi Hertz said:
...The Palestinian Talmud ... was for many centuries almost forgotten by
Jewry. Its legal decisions were at no time deemed to posses the validity of
The Babylonian Talmud.
>
>   Hertz lauds the ancient Rabbi Akiba for being able to find a "Biblical
basis for all the oral laws." Think about this. What an achievement! They
took Biblical laws such as those forbidding sodomy, theft, passing children
through the fire of Molech and twisted them into oral laws which permitted
these degenerate un-Godly acts. This is what brought destruction to the
Judahites. This is Gnosticism (a system of belief which stresses salvation
through an intuitive knowledge or recognition of right and wrong) at its
best. It has been defined as, "a system of merging the opposites and
contradictory tenets of a system into accord." Yet Christ Himself once said,
"...Ye cannot serve God and mammon." (Matt. 6:24)
>
>   The modern Pharisees are masters of Gnosticism and are attempting to
blend Christians, Jews and heathen into one great brotherhood of man under
their control, of course. Christ was not fooled by the Gnosticism of the
Pharisees of His day. He knew The Talmud allowed them to curse their parents
as long as they did not use the Jewish four letter word for Jehovah. He knew
the Pharisees taught that they could beat their parents as long as they did
not draw blood. Both of these acts drew the death penalty under Mosaic Law.
>
>   God commanded Moses to instruct the priests not to marry a woman who had
been a prostitute. But The Talmud contradicts this by saying that if a woman
has had sex with her own son, if he is under the age of eight years and one
day, she may marry a priest. And, the noted Rabbi Hillel, who many Jews
consider the sage of all Jewish sages, said her son could be nine years old
and it would still be O.K.
>
>   The Babylonian born Hillel has been honored by having a Jewish College
Foundation named after him and by the Jewish Masonic Lodge of B'nai B'rith.
Yet, Hillel was one of the most putrid-minded of all the ancient sages
according to his own writings. Maybe this is why the Jews honor him so. They
seem to revere filthy minded individuals as can be seen in Jewish comics.
>
>   It is interesting to note that the Babylonian influence was so strong on
Judaism that they adopted the Babylonian calendar. Many of the Jewish feasts
and festivals are not from a Mosaic origin, but have come straight from the
heathen observance of Babylonia. Isaiah, 760 - 698 B.C., the Israelite
prophet (who was not Jewish) begins his book with accusations against Judah
and Jerusalem: Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity ... children
that are corrupters:.... (Isaiah 1:4) Bring no more vain oblations
(sacrificial offerings) ... the new moons and sabbaths.. and it is
iniquity.... (Isaiah 1:13).. your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul
hateth:... I am weary to bear them. (Isaiah 1:14)
>
>   There are two new moon days celebrated monthly in the Jewish synagogue,
and Rabbi Joshua Trachenberg, who is listed in the Jewish Who's Who in
America, states in his book, "Jewish Magic and Superstition," page 256:  The
pagan veneration of the new moon, which had by no means disappeared in
Biblical times, has no direct connection with the ceremony blessing the new
moon which is outlined in The Talmud and is observed until this day. But
certain superstitious practices are still associated with this rite, pointing
to its continued occult importance in human affairs.
>
>   In the first group are the practices of skipping three times at the close
of the blessing and addressing the moon three times.... The ceremony, as well
as the three fold repetitions are typical of magical acts. In the latter
group are the practices of shaking one's clothes to cast out evil spirits,
and the belief that one who performs the full rite need not fear death during
the ensuing months.
>
>   The Feast of Tammuz, celebrated by Jews from the 17th of Tammuz until the
9th of Ab, is a feast in honor of the Babylonian heathen goddess of
prostitution. The worship of this heathen goddess was practiced during the
Babylonian captivity and returned to Judea with them as another regular
festival of this "Babylonian synagogue of Satan."
>
>   Another regular Babylonian festival is the "New Year for trees." Tree
worship is one of the oldest forms of paganism and is based on the belief
that trees are inhabited by the spirit of fertility. In the Jewish
Encyclopedia (1905) is an article about this festival. It quotes from The
Talmud, Gittin 57a, on the Jewish custom of planting a cedar tree for every
newborn male and a cypress tree for each female. When a marriage is about to
take place, the trees were cut down and used as bedposts for the nuptial
canopy. This same article relates how the Cabalists, when they settled in
Palestine in the 16th century, instituted the practice of eating fruits on
that day instead of planting trees.
>
>   The Christian reader may be perplexed by the Biblical denunciation
against trees until you realize that the Babylonians fertility rites, and the
mass prostitution of Judean women were carried out under these trees which
were planted in groves for this purpose. Two Judaic kings, Hezekiah and
Josiah, were commended in the Bible because they cut down these groves (see
II Kings 18:4 and 23:14). God promised His people in Egypt that He would
bless them only as they drove the pagan abominators, the Canaanites, out of
the land. Instead, the Israelites often intermarried with them in direct
opposition to God's commands. Intermarriages of this type were taking place
in Babylon among the captive Judahites and their captors. It became so
obvious that God states that their very looks would be a testimony against
them.
>
>   In Exodus we see where God tells Israel: But ye shall destroy their
altars, break their images, and cut down their groves:... (Exodus 34:13)
>
>   And in Deuteronomy 12:2-3: Ye shall utterly destroy all the places,
wherein the nations which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high
mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree: And ye shall
overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with
fire;...
>
>   The Judahites did not do this in Babylon. Instead, they joined in this
heathen practice and then brought it back into modern Judaism.
>
>   Can you understand why the Apostle Paul said of the Jews in I
Thessalonians 2:15: ...They please not God, and are contrary to all men:
>
>   Since the Babylonian Talmudists acquired Old Palestine in 1948, formal
tree planting has taken place at a feverish rate with Holiday Tree Planting
Events to honor various State of Israel personages. Thousands of these trees
have been planted by brainwashed Christians who do not know the religious
significance behind it. In view of the billions of dollars we have given the
State of Israel, they even designated a forest which was to be planted in
honor of the U.S. Government. We will see more groves planted than Joshua and
the prophets ever cut down.
>
>   Following are two pages taken from an article in the Jewish Encyclopedia
about Babylonia which illustrates the devoted attitude modern day Pharisees
have towards Babylon, the source of their Talmud.
>
>   Following the quotes from the Jewish Encyclopedia is an article taken
from the Jewish newspaper, The American Hebrew, March 1, 1946, in which Rabbi
Leon Spitz urges Jews to eliminate anti-Semites as their ancestors did. (Keep
in mind that 80% of the Jews today are not Semitic.)
>
>   "After an interval of a few years, a nephew of the deposed Ukba, David b.
Zakkal (920-940), was made exilarch, and Cohen Zedek II. was forced to
recognize him. Foiled as this ambitious Pumbeditan thus was in regard to the
exilarchate, he was in addition compelled to witness the rise and development
of the Academy of Sura, also strongly opposed by him, but which under Saadia
reached a point of unprecedented splendor. Saadia, who had been called to
Sura from Egypt because there was no scholar of sufficient Talmudic authority
there, had already made himself famous by his translation of the Bible into
Arabic, and by his commentary upon it. His activity as gaon of Sura (928-942)
was even more meritorious than this accomplishment. His battles with the
Karaites form but one side of the general polemic activity which ruled at
this time in Irak among the professors of the various religions. There was a
Parsee controversy ("shikand gumanik Vijar") against Jews and Christians in
the ninth century  (Darmesfeter, "Rev. Et. Juives," xxviii 4). Sabaryeshu, a
Jacobite presbyter of Mosul in the tenth century, waged a discussion with a
Jewish sage (Assemani, i.c. iii. 1, 541; compare Steinschneider, "Polemische
Literatur," p.85); and Mahammedan writers like Al-Kindi were continuous in
their attacks, from the ninth century on, against Jews and Christians alike
(Steinschneider, l.c. p. 112). Two califs, Al-Muktadir and Kahir, interfered
in the disputes between the exilarchate and the gaonate, with the result that
both institutions suffered in influence. David had successfully maintained
himself against his brother Joshua, whom Saadia had declared exilarch, and
had there after made friends with the gaon, who had in the interval been
banished to Bagdad. He left a son, Judah, to succeed him; but he ruled only
seven months. Saadia then took affectionate charge of Judah's infant son,
until the latter was slain in a Moslem riot The exilarchate had to be
suspended (about 940) until quieter times permitted its artificial revival.
There are some faint traces that a certain Hezekiah, a grandson of David's
son Judah, was exilarch for a time; but, according to other authorities, he
was only gaon of Pumbedita-a post which, with his violent death in 1040, also
passed away after an existence of 800 years.
>
>   The Academy of Pumbedita flourished for a century longer. Aaron ibn
Sargado, a wealthy merchant of Bagdad and an opponent of Saadia, acted as
gaon of Pumbedita(943-960) and very effectively.
>
>   Of less importance was Nehemiah, son of Cohen Zedek; but in Sherira
(968-1000) and his son Hai or Haia, the Jews of Babylonia possessed two
incumbents of the gaonate who shed unrivaled brilliancy upon their office.
Yet both these respected dignitaries found themselves the victims of
calumnious representations made to the calif Al-Kadir, probably through the
instrumentality of scholars who felt themselves slighted. The two geonim were
for a time imprisoned, but ultimately were set at liberty, and the now aged
Sherira resigned his office in favor of Hai, who discharged the duties of the
gaonate until 1038. Upon his death the above mentioned Hezekiah ruled for two
years longer and with his murder the gaonate of Pumbedita came to an end.
>
>   The gaonate of Sura was extinguished less suddenly. About 970 a certain
R. Jacob b. Mordecai is said to have written to the Jewish communities on the
Rhine on the matter of a false Messiah (Mannheimer, "Die Juden in Worms,
"p.27); this is however, considered to be a fabrication. The last gaon of
Sura was Samuel b. Hophni, the father-in-law of Hai, he was distinguished for
his literary activities. When he died in 1034, the gaonate of Sura
retrograded more and more, until at last it expired quietly and unnoticed.
>
>   A special intervention of Providence, according to lbn Daud, was arranged
in order that Babylonian learning should be transplanted to Europe. Four
scholars, sent to the West to gather funds for the academies, were captured
on the Mediterranean by an admiral of the calif of Cordova; and after many
experiences these four became the founders of rabbinical academies in
Alexandria, Kairwan, Cordova, and perhaps Narbonne. Babylonia thus lost its
central importance for Judaism; it was, however, replaced by the rising
communities of Spain, whither the two sons of the unfortunate Hezekiah above
mentioned had also migrated.
>
>   This forms an appropriate point at which to consider the general
influence of Babylonia upon European Judaism. Luzzatto ("Hebraische Briefe,"
p.865) thus, in substance, describes it: The West received both the written
and the oral Law from Babylonia. Punctuation and accentuation were begun in
Babylonia ; so also the plyyut, rime, and meter. Even philosophy had its
origin here: for the frequently mentioned by little-known David ha-Babli or
Al-Mukammez, who lived before Saadia, is the oldest known Jewish philosopher.
The greatest if not also the earliest payyetan, Eleazar Kalir, of the eighth
century, was apparently a Babylonian. It is true indeed, adds Luzzatto, that
heresy is also a Babylonian product; for, in addition to the Karaites, Hiwi
al-Balki, Saadia's opponent, was a Persian - in a broader sense a Babylonian.
[The Talmudic usage survived for a long time of calling all Western Jews (ma
'arbaye ) "Palestinians" and all Eastern Jews ("madinhaye") "Babylonians."]
One peculiarity of the Babylonians, however, made no headway among the Jews
of other lands: this was the system of supralincal punctuation (see Pinsker,
"Emleitung in das Babylonisch-Hebraische unctuationssystem "), called the
Babylonian or Assyrian, and said to have been invented by the Karaite, R. Aha
of Irak (see Margoliouth, in "Proc. Soc. Bibi. Archaeology." 1893, p.190). To
Babylonian literary activity, in addition to the Babylonian Talmud, must be
ascribed possibly the Targum Onkelos, together with some Midrashic works
("Rab'bot"). "Halakot Gedolot," and the well-known works bearing the names of
the geonim Aha of Shabha, Amram, Saadia, Sherira, Hai, Hophni, and others.
Babylonian learning, always great from Rab's time, expressed itself in
independent works only toward the close of the period, and then disappeared
altogether."-The Jewish Encyclopedia, Funk and Wagnall Co., NY and
London,1905.  pg.413.
>
>

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Subject: [13texan] Mossad....Talmudic terrorists.
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 00:22:14 EDT
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Previous incidents involving the Israeli spy agency:

* Sept. 25, 1997: Mossad agents try but fail to assassinate Hamas
official Khaled Meshaal in Amman, Jordan. Two agents are caught and
released in a prisoner swap that forces Israel to release Sheik Ahmed
Yassin, a key Hamas leader.

* April 24, 1991: Four Mossad agents are arrested for attempting to
install listening devices in the Iranian Embassy in Nicosia, Cyprus. The
agents are released shortly after standing trial.

* November 1987: The London newspaper the Mail on Sunday reveals the
identity of a Mossad agent who had infiltrated a PLO cell in London. The
agent is arrested on suspicion of murdering a Palestinian cartoonist and
is banished from the country.

* July 1973: In an attempt to avenge the deaths of Israeli athletes
slain during the 1972 Olympics, Mossad agents kill an innocent Moroccan
waiter in Lillehammer, Norway. Five of the 15 agents involved in the
operation serve sentences in Norwegian jails.

* 1963: Two Mossad agents are arrested in Bern, Switzerland, on
charges of intimidating a family member of a German scientist who had
been offered a job developing missiles for Egypt. The operatives are
released a few months later.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--

VICTOR OSTROVSKY
MOSSAD BOOK CONTROVERSY:

AS ISRAEL TRIES TO
SMOTHER HIS BOOK, A FORMER MOSSAD SPY SPILLS SOME DARK SECRETS OF THAT
SHADOWY SERVICE People, 10-01-1990, pp 105.

Victor Ostrovsky stops and stiffens as he spots a young couple
passing on an Ottawa street. He watches until they are safely out of
sight. ''I know when I am being followed,'' says the former agent of
Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service. ''I have been trained to
know. If there are 15 people on me, I can tell. I can see the
patterns developing. I can detect it. But I have a limit. If they put
one extra agent on me, I can't tell anymore. It's past my limit.''
Then Ostrovsky, who recently outraged the Israeli government with his
book By Way of Deception, an alleged expose of some of Mossad's
dirtiest little secrets, smiles ruefully and says, ''The trouble is,
they know my limit.''
Although a high Israeli source insists the book is a fraud,
Ostrovsky, 40, claims he has been under round-the-clock surveillance
by Mossad for weeks and that the offices of the Canadian publisher of
the book he co-authored with newspaperman Claire Hoy were illegally
entered. The Israeli government also obtained a court order
temporarily outlawing the book in Canada and -- briefly -- in the
United States, arguing that its publication would endanger agents in
the field. But a four-judge appeals panel in the U.S. quickly
overturned the temporary restraining order that had been granted the
Israelis after an unusual late-night legal petition, saying that
Israel's argument was groundless. Since then By Way of Deception has
been ''leaping off the shelves,'' according to Ostrovsky's American
publisher. ''We've never experienced anything like this,'' says St.
Martin's Press President Roy Gainsburg, who reports that 255,000
copies of the book are in print after a first printing of only 42,000
and that bookstores are clamoring for more.
Among Ostrovsky's more shocking allegations are that Mossad failed
to share with the U.S. detailed intelligence that might have averted
the 1983 suicide bombing of the Beirut Marine barracks that killed
241 U.S. servicemen; that Israeli agents in New York City bugged
conversations between former U.N. Ambassador Andrew Young and
ambassadors from Syria and Kuwait; and that Mossad promiscuously
assassinated enemy agents. ''What's striking is the wealth of
detail,'' says David Ignatius, who covered the Middle East for the
Wall Street Journal, of the book. ''He didn't make it all up.'' The
U.S. government has not commented officially on these charges, though
a spokesperson for the State Department said unofficially that the
Israelis would have been smarter to ignore the book.
The author is inclined to agree. ''((Israeli Prime Minister
Yitzhak)) Shamir went against all his advisers when he ordered legal
action against me,'' says Ostrovsky, who is living with his wife,
Bella, 40, and his two daughters, Leeorah, 16, and Sharon, 20, in a
rented house on the outskirts of Ottawa in his native Canada. ''If
they wanted to give me publicity, they couldn't have planned it
better.''
Israeli authorities have acknowledged that Ostrovsky -- a former
naval commander and weapons specialist -- did work for the highly
regarded Israeli secret service from 1984 until 1986 but downplay his
importance and question his motives. ''He was very junior -- a
clerk,'' says one Mossad source, adding that Ostrovsky was also
''very left-wing and very hungry for money.''
Ostrovsky shakes his head at such claims. ''It is an old story,''
he says. ''They want to destroy my reputation. But the fact is that
last week, two ((Israeli)) agents showed up at my door and offered
me any amount of money, any amount at all, if I would not publish the
book. If I was interested in money, wouldn't I take it from them? I
don't care about money. I wrote the book to attack a runaway
organization. They ((Mossad)) are costing Israel friends, and more
than any other weapon, Israel needs friends.''
Ostrovsky comes from prickly Zionist roots and spent his youth
shuttling between Israel and his father's native Canada. His father,
Syd Osten (anglicized from Ostrovsky), flew fighter planes during
Israel's War of Independence; his mother, Mira, drove supply trucks
for the Israeli Army. They divorced when Victor was a child, and both
began to spend time back in North America, leaving their son in
Israel in the care of his grandparents. ''My grandfather was an
auditor,'' Ostrovsky recalls. ''Very honorable. He would not get me a
job, although he knew many people in the labor unions. So I got a
good job on my own. He made me quit because it might look like he got
me the job. I got another job. They called me the Bobo, one of those
dolls that keeps bouncing up when you knock it down.''
At 18, Ostrovsky became an officer in the Israeli Army. ''I was a
Zionist and idealistic,'' he says. ''I was taught that we must have
purity of arms, we must be clean.'' He was in and out of military
service for the next 18 years before being recruited by Mossad. As
part of his training, he learned of the great feats of Israeli
intelligence -- foiling a plot by the PLO to kill Golda Meir in 1973,
rescuing the hostages on a hijacked Air France plane at Entebbe in
1976. But he was offended, he says, by the corruption of Mossad's
leaders -- men who he claims held orgies with young secretaries and
ordered the slaughter of PLO suspects. He says he was horrified to
discover that Israeli agents knew in advance specific details about
the planned terrorist attack on the Beirut Marine barracks in 1983
but gave only vague warnings to their closest ally.
Ostrovsky's disenchantment was shared by his wife, Bella.
Childhood sweethearts, they have been married for 21 years. ''I read
some books about how we treated Arabs, and it opened my eyes,'' says
Bella. ''I spoke to Vickie and I told him, 'How could we do this?' ''

Ostrovsky left Mossad in 1986 under circumstances that are
unclear. He claims he made enemies of important officials with his
impertinent questions; a Mossad source says he was kicked out after
bungling an assignment. Ostrovsky denies it. In any case he
emigrated to Canada, where he convinced Hoy, author of the 1987
bestseller Friends in High Places, an expose of political intrigue in
Canada, to tell his story. An accomplished artist, Ostrovsky,
subsidized by book revenue's can now paint full-time. If he ever
tried to return to Israel, he fears, he might be prosecuted for
treason. Yet Ostrovsky insists he wrote his book out of loyalty to
his early Zionist ideal. ''How could I remain silent?'' he asks. ''I
am a patriot.''

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Subject: [13texan] Talmud's elite The Massad
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 00:26:10 EDT
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TEL AVIV--Gen. Danny Yatom's days as head of the Mossad, Israel's
foreign-espionage agency, are numbered. His boss, Prime Minister Benjamin
Netanyahu, rejected his first offer to resign following the botched
assassination of a Hamas leader in Amman, Jordan. The next time,
Netanyahu may have no choice but to let him go.

Yatom, upon his nomination, was regarded by some, including Netanyahu,
as too cautious, too unimaginative to run the Mossad. Ironically, he may
have approved the operation against the Hamas leader, Khaled Meshaal, to
show that he could be as daring and imaginative as any of his
predecessors. Yatom, in short, wanted to be more Mossad than the Mossad
itself.

But the Mossad is no longer the agency of legend. Terrorism, and the
fear and sudden death associated with it, have created the impression
that the Mossad is merely a kind of hit team that tracks, hunts down and
executes Palestinian terrorists. Its intelligence-gathering skills have
accordingly suffered. The question is whether today's Israel needs to
reinvent the Mossad or reclaim its original mission.

Israel, on the eve of its 50th anniversary as an independent state, is
a totally different society from what it was as recently as two decades
ago, when the Mossad was more intelligence gatherer than terrorist
hunter. Israelis walk a thin line between secularism and a religious
orthodoxy that seeks to thrust them back in time and history. They are a
strange mixture of liberalism and fierce narrow-mindedness. The effort to
maintain democratic values is increasingly difficult when continued
occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip and counterterrorism require
security measures that restrict personal freedom and contradict the rule
of law.

That conflict has affected the Mossad, whose Hebrew name helps reveal
the nature of the problem: Institute for Intelligence and Special Roles.
The Mossad has two assignments, then: to collect information on the
military, economic and political capabilities of Israel's enemies and
their preparedness for war, and to carry out, on occasion, special
missions, including kidnapping and assassinations.

...With the rise of Palestinian political aspirations on the West
Bank and Gaza Strip, the Mossad's assignments have shifted toward
fighting the war against Palestinian guerrillas and terrorism. The
results have been painful and traumatic. The intelligence community, for
example, failed to anticipate the surprise attack, in October 1973, by
Syria and Egypt. Since the late 1970s, moreover, the agency has been slow
to grasp the significant accumulation of weapons of mass destructions by
Iraq, Syria and Iran.

Instead, the Mossad, reflecting the prevailing mood of Israeli
governments and society, has become obsessive about the war against
terrorism. Its special units and its departments of operation, code-named
Caesaris and Kidon (bayonet), which handles assassinations, have been
correspondingly strengthened at the expense of the collection (code-named
Tsomet) and research departments.

This shift of emphasis is not the result of any fundamental change in
Israel's security situation. Rather, it has more to do with psychology.
Israelis are impatient and hedonistic. They look for short-cuts, quick
satisfaction and immediate results; they desire almost magical solutions
to complex political and military problems. The Mossad's assassination
attempt in Jordan was, in part, a response to these societal dynamics.
Yet, by pursuing terrorists, the Mossad has magnified the importance of
terrorism--and further whetted Israelis' desire for easy and fast
answers.

Within Mossad, the trend toward special operations has not gone
unchallenged. Some Mossad operatives opposed the hunt, ordered by Prime
Minister Golda Meir, for the terrorists who murdered 11 Israeli athletes
during the 1972 Munich Olympic games. "Eliminations and assassinations
have nothing to do with intelligence work," the dissenters contended. "If
these methods are needed in order to create a balance of terror between
us and them, to spread fear, to take revenge and obstruct terrorist
structures, let's have the army's special forces do the job, not the
Mossad."

These officials were muffled, and embarrassing consequences soon
followed. In July 1973, in Lillehammer, Norway, six Mossad agents, under
various non-Israeli covers, were arrested in connection with the slaying
of Ahmed Bouchikhi, a Moroccan waiter mistakenly identified as a master
terrorist of the Palestine Liberation Organization. The fiasco was one
reason why the Mossad's pursuit of Palestinian terrorists came to a halt.
But in 1977, Prime Minister Menachem Begin ordered the Mossad back on the
terrorist track.

Since then, successive Israeli governments, right and left, have
reflexively reacted to terrorist attacks by condoning, if not ordering,
the liquidation of terrorist leaders and activists. But Palestinian
terrorist organizations have remained undeterred. Only rarely, when the
target was a "one-man organization," did assassination benefit Israel.
The most recent example of this involved Dr. Fathi Shikaki, the leader of
a small Islamic Jihad organization believed responsible for several
suicidal attacks against Israeli citizens between 1994-96. He was killed
by Mossad agents in October 1995, on orders from Prime Minister Yitzak
Rabin.

Israel is the only democratic nation to accept the legitimacy of
assassination as a tactic to deal with terrorists. The nearly instinctive
Israeli proclivity to retaliate to terrorist attacks is the main reason
behind the blunder in Jordan, the worst failure in the history of the
Mossad. The lack of judgment and sensibility displayed by both Netanyahu
and the Mossad in carrying out the attack have exposed the weakness of
Israel's most celebrated agency. Far graver is the possibility that the
Mossad, by using poison in its attempt to kill the Hamas leader, has let
the world know that Israel is involved in the research and production of
biological and chemical weapons at a time when most nations are trying to
eliminate them.

The failed assassination attempt also says something about how
Israelis have changed. They are different from the Zionist founding
fathers and their followers, with their pioneering spirit, idealism,
sacrifices and asceticism. The Mossad has always epitomized the
prevailing spirit of Israeli society. It still does today: tired, clumsy,
less motivated, self-righteousness and complacent.

The surest--and quickest--way to rehabilitate the Mossad is to restore
its mission as an intelligence-gathering agency. Chasing terrorists
around Europe and the Middle East with exotic means of extermination will
not make Israel more secure, nor prepare it for real military threats
posed by Syria and Iran.

But Israel will have to change. Israelis must trust the reality that
Israel has the strongest military force in the region, that they no
longer need to behave like little David. Only then can the Mossad begin
to repair the damage to its reputation--and rediscover its purpose--that
the assassination attempt in Jordan has produced.

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Subject: [13texan] Talmudists can't be trusted
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 00:35:27 EDT
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 Jerusalem Post, 02-26-1998, pp 01.

At least one Mossad agent was recently arrested in Switzerland in a bugging
operation gone awry, Swiss television reported last night."The suspect is
accused of having conducted espionage with eavesdropping devices," the report
said. It quoted reliable sources in Berne as saying at least one Mossad
operative had been taken into custody last week.

Swiss officials were not available to comment on the report, which did not
give any other details.Swiss Federal Prosecutor Carla Del Ponte's office said
she and Foreign Ministry State Secretary Jakob Kellenberger would brief
reporters this morning."All I can say is that it involves an espionage case,"
a spokesman for Del Ponte said.

Agence France Presse quoted a diplomatic source in Berne as saying that
according to one version of events, Mossad agents were caught taking
photographs, while another version said that electronic surveillance
equipment had been planted in an Iranian mission at the UN center in Geneva.

The source alleged that several agents were arrested and that "the issue of
their release is under negotiation between Israel and Switzerland."The Mossad
was shocked by the foul-up, which is what actually led to Danny Yatom's
resignation as
head of Mossad, a government source here said.

The Knesset subcommittee on intelligence heard a report about the foul-up on
Monday. Sources in the committee were angry that Yatom did not report the
incident of his own initiative and that the panel's chairman Uzi Landau
(Likud) learned about it from a security source and then asked Yatom, who
confirmed the information. Landau disagreed with the critics and accused
political and Mossad elements of deliberately leaking the information to try
and damage state security.

Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu learned immediately of the foul- up last
week, while the Ciechanover Committee report was on his desk, sources said.
They said that he asked the Mossad to investigate. Netanyahu denied yesterday
that he had forced Yatom to step down.

Speaking in the Knesset, Netanyahu said he has not finished reading the
Ciechanover report and therefore could not have made up his mind on this
issue."I gave Danny Yatom my full backing and all the appreciation which I
really have for him," he said. "The decision was his and his alone.

He came to me with a firm decision and I respected it." Netanyahu would not
comment on the reports of the latest operational failure of the Mossad. He
said he hopes to choose a new director within a few days and does not intend
to come out with any "interim announcements" about candidates.

Netanyahu said the director of the Mossad must be "a man who will assure its
efficient, successful and secret functioning." He said it was important that
the Mossad not be damaged because it is central to our existence. "We
must avoid creating a situation in which these people, who undertake fateful
missions for the sake of our security will take into consideration - the
personnel and their commanders - what will happen to them in case of a mishap.

"There are slip-ups and successes the scope of which is impossible to imagine
and it is impossible to imagine the contribution made by these successes to
our security."

Local media broadcasts yesterday gave few details about the latest foul-up
but made reference to a case in 1991 when four Israelis were arrested during
an attempt to bug the Iranian embassy in Nicosia in the dead of night.

The four, widely reported to be Mossad agents, claimed they had been looking
for a lavatory. They were released on payment of $1,000 fines.

The Mossad was exposed to further embarrassment last December when one of its
former officials, Yehuda Gil, was arrested on suspicion of feeding the agency
false information and pocketing money intended for informers.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: HISTORICAL FACTS OF THE PROTOCOLS
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 01:11:09 -0400
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Steve!

You need to get with the lying plagerist Mathews and
let him teach you the proper way to cut and paste! hehehehe!

What you plagerized is a well known lie...and is only believed
by prodigiously ignorant people such as mathews...

js
--
Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite
a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew".

                                       The 1980 Jewish Almanac

Hope wrote:
>
> Ed Kadach wrote:
> >
> > HISTORICAL FACTS OF THE PROTOCOLS
>
>      (Ed KKKadach's usual lies snipped - what follows is the truth
>       about the Protocols)
>
>       Steve
>
>                     The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a
> forgery                     made in Russia for the Okhrana (secret
> police), which                  blames the Jews for the country's ills.
> It was first                 privately printed in 1897 and was made
> public in 1905.                 It is copied from a nineteenth century
> novel (Biarritz, 1868) and claims that
>                     a secret Jewish cabal is plotting to take over the
> world.
>
>                     The basic story was composed by a  German novelist
> and anti-Semite
>                     named Hermann Goedsche who used the pseudonym of Sir
> John
>                     Retcliffe. Goedsche stole the main story from
> another writer, Maurice
>                     Joly, whose "Dialogues in Hell Between Machiavelli
> and Montesquieu"
>                     (1864) involved a Hellish plot aimed at opposing
> Napoleon III.
>                     Goedsche's original contribution consists mainly of
> introducing Jews to
>                     do the plotting to take over the world.
>
>                     The Russians used big chunks of a Russian
> translation of Goedsche's
>                     novel, published it separately as the Protocols, and
> claimed they were
>                     authentic. Their purpose was political: to
> strengthen the czar Nicholas
>                     II's position by exposing his opponents as allies
> with those who were
>                     part of a massive conspiracy to take over the world.
> Thus, the
>                     Protocols are a forgery of a plagiarized fiction.
>
>                     The Protocols were exposed as a forgery in 1921 by
> Philip Grave, a
>                     correspondent for the London Times; by  Herman
> Bernstein in The
>                     Truth About "The Protocols of Zion": A Complete
> Exposure,
>                     reprinted with introduction by Norman Cohn (Ktav
> Publishing House,
>                     New York,1971); and Lucien Wolf in The Jewish Bogey
> and the
>                     Forged Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
> (London : Press
>                     Committee of the Jewish Board of Deputies,1920).
>
>                     The Protocols were published in a Michigan newspaper
> owned by
>                     Henry Ford. Even after they were exposed as a
> forgery, Ford's paper
>                     continued to cite the document. Adolf Hitler later
> used the Protocols to
>                     help justify his attempt to exterminate Jews during
> World War II.
>
>                     The Protocols hoax continues to fool people and is
> still cited by certain
>                     individuals and groups as the cause of all their
> woes.
>
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Subject: [13texan] Lazar Moiseyvich, Jewish mass murderer (20 million)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 01:11:54 EDT
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Lazar Moiseyevich Kaganovich (A Jew),  was born in Kubany, near Kiev,
Ukraine, in 1893. In 1911 he joined the Jewish-founded Communist Party and
became involved with the Bolsheviks (Lower East Side New York Jews).
Kaganovich took an active part in the 1917 takeover of Christian Russia by
Communism and rose rapidly in the Party hierarchy.

>From 1925 to 1928, he was first secretary of the party organization in
Ukraine and by 1930 was a full member of the Politburo.

Kaganovich was one of a small group of Stalin's top sadists pushing for very
high rates of collectivization after 1929. He became Stalin's butcher of
Christian Russians during the late 1920s and early 1930s when the Kremlin
(jews) launched its war against the kulaks (small landowners who were
Christians) and implemented a ruthless policy of land collectivization. The
resulting state-organized forced famine, was a planned genocide and killed
7,000,000 Ukrainians between 1932 and 1933, and inflicted enormous suffering
on the Soviet Central Asian republic of Kazakhstan.

Josef Stalin (Dzhugashvili) altered census figures to hide the millions of
famine deaths when the Ukraine and northern Caucasus region had an extremely
poor harvest in 1932, just as Stalin was demanding heavy requisitions of
grain to sell abroad to finance his industrialization program which was on
top of enforced collective farming of 1929. Stalin is conservatively
estimated to have been responsible for the murder and/or starvation of
40,000,000 Russians and Ukrainians during his reign of terror, while the
total deaths resulting from the de-kulaklization and famine, by way of
Kaganovich, can be conservatively estimated at about 14,500,000. Though in
his biography which was written by his nephew Stuart Kahan,  Krushchev proves
to the politburo that Kaganovich was responsible for the deaths of 20 million
Russians.( The Wolf of the Kremlin page 297)
Krushchev used a Jew,  to reveal and provide proof for all of the murdering
(purges) Kaganovich  did,  by the name of Fiegelson from Bronx, New York.

On any analysis, Kaganovich, was one of the worst mass murderers in history,
and little wonder that during World War II large numbers of Ukrainians
greeted the Germans as liberators, with many joining the Waffen-SS to keep
Communism from enslaving all of Europe.

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Subject: [13texan] Talmudic Bolsheviks
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 01:32:24 EDT
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Jewish Professor Arno Mayer of Princeton in his important book, Why Did the
Heavens Not Darken? states that the German invasion of Russia was carried out
with the intention to eradicate Bolshevik (Soviet Communist) ideology. The
Germans were hardly the only ones in the West to believe that, "Soviet Russia
is a dictatorship of Jewry."

On Feb. 8, 1920 a young British writer made a similar observation in the
Illustrated Sunday Herald:

"There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism
and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these
international and for the most part atheistical Jews."

The writer was Winston Churchill. Though he would later sell his soul for
considerably more than thirty pieces of silver, his analysis of the authentic
nature of Soviet communism remains trenchant.

Churchill expressed the crucial insight that the crimes perpetrated by Jewish
communists against Germans and Russians instilled in those people a desire
for retribution:

"In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more
astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed, the principal, part in the
system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating
Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by
Jewesses.

"The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror
during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been
presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been
allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people.

"...The fact that in many cases Jewish interests and Jewish places of worship
are excepted by the Bolsheviks from their universal hostility has tended more
and more to associate the Jewish race in Russia with villainies which are now
being perpetrated...Needless to say, the most intense passions of revenge
have been excited in the breasts of the Russian people."

Chaim Bermant, writing in the Jewish Chronicle (Aug. 30, 1991), says: "It was
Communism which toppled the hated Czars, Communism which removed Jewish
disabilities and proscribed anti-Semitism and Communism which, in its early
days at least, opened the doors to Jewish advancement."

Political analyst Joseph Sobran points out that the revelation of this
"ethnic component" of Communism contests a cherished historical lie: "...the
ethnic history of Communism is likely to complicate the conventional
'lachrymose version of Jewish history,' according to which Jews are always
and everywhere innocent victims of Gentile prejudice and persecution."

Lenin, whose maternal grandfather, Israel Blank, was Jewish, said that Jews
made the best revolutionaries: "The clever Russian is almost always a Jew or
has Jewish blood in him." (Dmitri Volkogonov, Lenin: A New Biography, p.
112). Lenin was both clever and a revolutionary. He was surely referring to
himself.

Researcher Wayne McGuire of Harvard University writes: "Lenin was a Jew by
the standards of Israel's Law of Return: he possessed a Jewish grandparent.
It would seem that not only was Lenin a Jew, but that he was a Jewish racist
and chauvinist, although he kept his ideas on this volatile subject far in
the background, probably because they were in radical conflict with the
supposed universalism of Marxism. ...Lenin was a Jewish racist who
deliberately gave Jews especially, the most 'intellectually demanding tasks.'
He admitted that 50% of the communist terrorist vanguard in the south and
west of Russia was comprised of Jews."

Lenin declared, "We are exterminating the bourgeoisie as a class." His
partner in crime, Apfelbaum (Zinoviev) stated: "The interests of the
revolution require the physical annihilation of the bourgeoisie class." Who
were these bourgeoisie? Certainly not Jews. Trotsky gave a clue to their
identity in a 1937 interview in the New York Jewish newspaper, Daily Forward:
"The longer the rotten bourgeoisie society lives, the more and more barbaric
will anti-Semitism become everywhere."

Bourgeoisie was a Bolshevik code-word for Gentile. The first law passed after
the Communists seized power in Russia made anti-semitism a crime punishable
by death. (Izvestia, July 27, 1918).

The top Communist Jewish official Zinoviev stated: "Without mercy, without
sparing, we will kill our enemies in scores of hundreds. Let them be
thousands; let them drown themselves in their own blood. For the blood of
Lenin and Uritzky, Zinoviev and Vólodarsky, let there be floods of the blood
of the bourgeoisie--more blood! As much as possible!" (Krasnaya Gazeta, Sept.
1, 1918).

The Jewish Bolsheviks regarded politics as a branch of Gentile pest control.
Hatred of Christians, especially the peasant "bourgeoisie" was their prime
motivation. The systematic destruction of the Christian peasantry of Russia
as so many vermin, beginning with Lenin's attack on them in the summer of
1918 and his forced starvation in 1921, has been almost completely ignored in
Western history.

The Siberian novelist Valentin Rasputin wrote in 1990: "I think today the
Jews here in Russia should feel responsible for the sin of having carried out
the revolution and for the shape it took. They should feel responsible for
the terror--for the terror that existed during the revolution and especially
after the revolution...their guilt is great. They perpetrated the relentless
campaign against the peasant class whose land was brutally expropriated by
the state and who themselves were ruthlessly murdered."

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's biographer recounts what it was like to grow up as a
Russian Christian child among the children of the Jewish communist elite: "By
the age of ten he had the cross ripped from his neck by jeering Pioneers and
for over a year was held up to ridicule... Solzhenitsyn was, as a boy,
exposed to students whose parents had an officially superior status. Most of
the members of the Young Pioneers and Komsomol movements, at least in Rostov,
were Jewish children..." (Michael Scammell, Solzhenitsyn: A Biography, p. 64).

Here is the most genocidal political movement in world history, which created
the largest concentration camps and the most horrendous slave labor system of
the 20th century, in which millions of Christians were slaughtered (on the
size of the Gulag concentration camp system cf. C. Andrew and O. Gordievsky,
KGB: The Inside Story and N.Y. Times, Oct. 22, 1990, p. 82. None of these
camps are being preserved for posterity. Most were destroyed long ago by
special military brigades; cf. Michael Specter, "Cold Reminder," N.Y. Times,
Dec. 3, 1994).

This was a movement staffed in its upper echelons by Jewish Communists and
yet the world is comparatively silent about the holocaust and war crimes this
thoroughly kosher system inflicted and the identity of the persons who were
its architects.

Auschwitz is on the tip of every tongue but who has heard of Kolyma, Magadan,
the Solovetsky islands and the other infernal Soviet centers of human
destruction in eastern Siberia? Who has seen films and books about the
millions of human beings worked, frozen and starved to death in the
construction of the White Sea-Baltic Canal, over which stood a triumphant,
colossal statue of the Jewish communist mass murderer Genrikh Yagoda?

The Jewish-communist epoch of mass murder has disappeared into history in one
of the great vanishing acts of all time. Only practiced deceivers, with all
the sleight of hand of the most accomplished stage magicians, could pull off
such a coup against the rest of humanity. To trick mankind into focusing
nearly all expiatory sentiment, monuments and commemoration on Jewish victims
and brand the Mark of Cain--the very words war crime and holocaust itself--on
Germany and upon Germans alone as their proprietary trademark, must be
regarded as one of the most masterful achievements of psychological warfare
in the annals of illusion.

Jewish power in the West today has expanded commensurate with the expansion
of "Holocaust" propaganda, as noted by the Israeli author Moshe Leshem:
"Israelis and American Jews fully agree that the memory of the Holocaust is
an indispensable weapon--one that must be used relentlessly against their
common enemy...Jewish organizations and individuals thus labor continuously
to remind the world of it. In America, the perpetuation of the Holocaust
memory is now a $100-million-a-year enterprise, part of which is
government-funded." ( Balaam's Curse, p. 228)

This is why Edgar Bronfman, the billionaire Canadian Seagram's whiskey
merchant and chairman of the powerful World Jewish Congress says, "The
growing numbers of revisionist supporters cannot be ignored. We must use
every resource to stop revisionism now, before it's too late."

The reason it must be stopped is because revisionism is the only force
preventing the holy people from finishing the job they started in Russia and
Bavaria, only this time they are using intellectual means to achieve the same
end.

Consider the fact that the people who bear the brunt of contemporary Jewish
racist hatred and invective, the Germans, have among the lowest birthrates
and the highest abortion rates of any nation in the world. Far more Germans
die every year than are born.

The self-hating Germans are not the only targets of corrosive gas chamber
guilt, however. Organized Christianity (more accurately called Churchianity)
nowadays is little more than one huge turkey flock, truckling, toadying and
crawling in search of Jewish sanctification and approbation. Their savior
called the Jewish leadership of his time, "the children of hell" (Matthew
23:15) but those who presume to speak in His name today, call them the saints
and sages of the cosmos.

Only in such a profoundly falsified world soaked in fraud could the
international media sit by, uninterested, as the great-great grandson of the
blood-drenched Jewish Red Army commander Leon Trotsky, David Axelrod, shot to
death an elderly Palestinian couple in November of 1990, as part of an
Israeli, "Kach" terror group raid.

But imagine--if you can--the hubbub if a grandson of a Nazi war criminal had
shot a Turkish couple in Germany. The weeping, wailing and never-ending
references to "Never Forget" and "lessons of history" would seep out of the
collective TV sets of the earth like waste from a toxic septic tank, because
what is clear from such a double standard is that the true lessons of history
are not being learned and recollection itself is hostage to the diorama of
Zionist monomania.

Sixteen million ethnic Germans were forcibly expelled from Silesia, Moravia
and the Volga regions of the eastern territories at the end of the Second
World War. On this trail of tears, two million perished--shot to death,
starved, raped and beaten. Ask one in one thousand, one in ten thousand
people on the street today-- "Have you heard?" The answer will be no.

The Steven Spielberg movie images of cattle cars jammed with human cargo are
reserved for Jewish victims alone. The 800,000 mostly Muslim Chechens
deported by Jewish commissars and savagely stuffed into railway cars to
Kazakhstan, where a quarter of a million died enroute, do not meet
Hollywood's standard of cinematic focus.

The Soviet cattle car deportations afflicted more than a half-million
Estonian, Latvian and Lithuanian Christians who were shipped to the Gulag.
12% of the entire Baltic population was either deported to Siberia or
executed by the Jewish Soviet Secret Police. Who knows of it? Who cares? Who
tries to keep this history from repeating? Instead, in 1995 the president of
Lithuania made a pilgrimage to the Israeli gas chamber shrine at Yad Vashem
to grovel and beg "forgiveness" for his people who were the victims of the
Jewish Communist murderers. To seek forgiveness in all humility is ordained
when it is predicated on the truth. To do so based on false witness in order
to idolize the Pharisees is a mockery of justice.

In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet communist
party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of the total
population (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81).

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Subject: [13texan] A list of murderous Jews in Russia
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 01:46:29 EDT
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Lazar Moiseyevich Kaganovich, chief mass murderer for Stalin, ordered the
deaths of millions and the wholesale destruction of Christian monuments and
churches, including the great Cathedral of Christ the Savior. Standing amid
the rubble of the cathedral, Kaganovich proclaimed, "Mother Russia is cast
down. We have ripped away her skirts." (N.Y. Times, Sept. 26, 1995).

Mikhail Kaganovich: deputy commissar of heavy industry, supervisor of slave
labor, brother of Lazar. Rosa Kaganovich: Stalin's mistress; sister of Lazar.
Paulina Zhemchuzina: member of the Central Committee and wife of Soviet
Foreign Minister Molotov. Olga Bronstein: officer, Soviet Cheka Secret
Police, sister of Trotsky, wife of Kamenev.

Genrikh Yagoda: chief of Soviet Secret Police, mass murderer extraordinaire.
(Jewish poet Romain Rolland, winner of the Nobel Prize, wrote a hymn of
praise to Yagoda).

Matvei Berman and Naftaly Frenkel: founders, the Gulag death camp system.

Lev Inzhir, commissar for Soviet death camp transit and administration. Boris
Berman: executive officer of the Soviet Secret Police and brother of Matvei.
K.V. Pauker: chief of operations, Soviet NKVD Secret Police.

Firin, Rappoport, Kogan, Zhuk: commissars of death camps and slave labor,
supervised the mass deaths of laborers during the construction of the White
Sea--Baltic Canal.

M.I. Gay: commander, Soviet Secret Police. Slutsky and Shpiegelglas:
commanders, Soviet Secret Police. Isaac Babel: officer, Soviet Secret Police.

Leiba Lazarevich Feldbin (Aleksandr Orlov): commander, Soviet Red Army;
officer, Soviet Secret Police. Feldbin was chief of Soviet Security in the
Spanish Civil War. He supervised the massacre of Catholic priests and
peasants in Spain.

Yona Yakir: general, Soviet Red Army, member of the Central Committee.
Dimitri Shmidt: general, Soviet Red Army. Yakov ("Yankel") Kreiser: general,
Soviet Red Army. Miron Vovsi: general, Soviet Red Army.

David Dragonsky: general, Soviet Red Army, Hero of the Soviet Union. Grigori
Shtern: general, Soviet Red Army. Mikhail Chazkelevich: general, Soviet Red
Army. Shimon Kirvoshein: general, Soviet Red Army. Arseni Raskin:
deputy-commander, Soviet Red Army. Haim Fomin, commander of Brest-Litovsk,
Soviet Red Army. At least one hundred Soviet generals were Jewish (cf.
Canadian Jewish News, April 19, 1989).

Generals who were not themselves Jewish often had Jewish wives. Among these
were Marshal Voroshilov, Marshal Bulganin, Marshal Peresypkin and General
Pavel Sudoplatov (Sudoplatov assassinated hundreds of Christian leaders
including Ukranian Catholic Archbishop Teodor Romzha). This Jewish wife
"insurance policy" extended to Politburo members such as Andrei Andreyev and
Leonoid Brezhnev.

Sergei Eisenstein: director of communist propaganda films which depicted
Christian peasants (kulaks) as hideous, money-grabbing parasites. The kulaks
were subsequently massacred. (Cf. for example Eisenstein's Bezhin Meadow).

KOMZET: commission for the settlement of Jewish Communists on land seized
from murdered Christians in Ukraine; funded by Jewish-American financier
Julius Rosenwald.

Ilya Ehrenburg, Minister of Soviet Propaganda and disseminator of anti-German
hate material dating from the 1930s. Ehrenburg instigated the Soviet Red Army
rape and murder of German civilians. Referring to German women, Ehrenburg
gloated to the advancing Red Army troops, "that blonde hag is in for a bad
time."

In a leaflet addressed to Soviet troops, Ehrenburg wrote: "...the Germans are
not human beings...nothing gives us so much joy as German corpses." (Anatol
Goldberg, Ilya Ehrenburg, p. 197). Goldberg concedes that Ehrenburg, "...had
always disliked the Germans...now that there was a war on he turned his old
prejudice into an asset." (Ibid., p. 193).

Another publication distributed to the Red Army, this time as the soldiers
approached Danzig, was described by a historian: "Millions of leaflets were
air-dropped on the troops with a message composed by the propagandist Ilya
Ehrenburg and signed by Stalin: 'Soldiers of the Red Army! Kill the Germans!
Kill all Germans! Kill! Kill! Kill!" (Christopher Duffy, Red Storm on the
Reich).

The Soviet leadership acknowledged that Ehrenburg sought the extermination of
the entire German people (cf. Pravda, April 14, 1945. [Pravda was also
published in a Yiddish edition, Einikeyt). Ehrenburg won the Order of Lenin
and the Stalin Prize. He willed his papers to the Israeli Yad Vashem
'Holocaust' Museum.

Solomon Mikhoels: commissar of Soviet propaganda. Soviet film propagandists:
Mark Donsky, Leonid Lukov, Yuli Reisman, Vasily Grossman,Yevgeny Gabrilovich,
Boris Volchok and Lillian Hellman (old movies written by her continue to be
broadcast on American telelvision).

Soviet propagandist: Yevgeny Khaldei who staged the photo of the raising of
the hammer and sickle flag over the Reichstag in Berlin, May 2, 1945.
Afterward, a special plane was waiting to fly Khaldei, Stalin's top Tass
photographer, to a Moscow lab, where his photo was further doctored (loot
displayed on one of the Soviet soldier's wrists was removed in the negative
and Khaldei added clouds and smoke to the scene for dramatic effect (see
photo of Khaldei and his beloved flag at left). Khaldei continued to work as
a premier Soviet propagandist until his retirement from Pravda in 1972. His
Communist propaganda is proudly on display at the Jewish Museum of New York
and the Jewish Museum of San Francisco. N.Y. Times writer Vicki Goldberg
exulted in the raising of the blood-drenched Soviet flag, emblem of the
slaughter of millions of peasants and Christians; describing it as, "...a
national (and worldwide) symbol of triumph, justice and revenge." (Jan. 31,
1997, p. B-26).

Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee (JAC): new form of the Bolshevik YEVKOM,
Stalin's recruiting conduit for funding money, supplies and political
influence for Soviet Russia from world Jewry as well as the dissemination of
gas chamber atrocity propaganda (cf. The Black Book).

Nikolai Bukharin: Lenin's chief theorist. Samuel Agursky: commissar. Karl
Radek: member, Central Committee. Mikhail Gruzenberg (Borodin) commissar.
A.A. Yoffe: commissar. David Ryazanov: advisor to Lenin. Lev Grigorievich
Levin: physician, poisoner of Stalin's enemies. Lev Rosenfeld (Kamenev):
member of the Central Committee.

Ivan Maisky: Soviet Ambassador to Britain. Itzik Solomonovich Feffer:
commissar, Soviet Secret Police. Abraham Sutskever: Soviet
terrorist-partisan. Mark Osipovich Reizen: Soviet propagandist, winner of
three Stalin Prizes. Lev Leopold Trepper: Soviet espionage officer.

Bela Kun (Kohen): supreme dictator of Hungary in 1919. Kun was later Stalin's
chief terrorist in the Crimea. Kun's eventual successor was Matyas Rakosi,
Jewish Communist mass murderer of Christians in Hungary. According to the
Jewish Telegraph Agency of May 14, 1997, Jews "...played key roles in
ushering Communist rule into Hungary. In fact, during the brutal oppression
of the early 1950s, the regime's top five leaders were Jews. "

Zakharovich Mekhlis: top executioner for Stalin. Henrykas Zimanas: leader of
Lithuanian communist terrorists, butcher of Christians.

Moshe Pijade (sometimes spelled Piade): commander, Yugoslav Communist
People's Army. Tito's top butcher of hundreds of thousands of Croatian
Christians. Pijade later served as president of the Yugoslav Communist
Parliament. At least eighteen generals in the Yugoslav Communist People's
Army were Jewish. The Yugoslavian communist party sent massive arms shipments
to Jewish fighters in Palestine in the 1940s.

In post-war Poland that nation was completely dominated by Jewish communists:
the torturer Jacek Rozanski, head of the Secret Police; the Politboro
commander Jacob Berman

and commissars Minc, Specht (Olszewski) and Spychalski. These men murdered or
deported to Kolyma and the other Arctic death camps, tens of thousands of
Catholic Poles.

According to Jewish researcher John Sack, "In 1945 many Poles felt (and not
without reason) that Jews ran the Office of State Security...the chief of the
Office was Jacob Berman, a Jew, and all or almost all the department heads
were Jews." Sack reports that 75% of the officers of the Communist Secret
Police in Silesia were Jews. He noted that many Jews in the Communist terror
apparatus in Poland changed their names to Polish ones like General
Romkowski, Colonel Rozanski, Capt. Studencki and Lt. Jurkowski. (cf. John
Sack, The New Republic, Feb. 14, 1994, p. 6. Sack in this article also
refutes some shoddy research performed by Daniel Jonah Goldhagen, author of
Hitler's Willing Executioners, who, in the double standard typical of the
Jewish mentality, refuses to accept the proven fact that Jews ran the Polish
Communist secret police even as Goldhagen asserts the racist myth that the
entire German nation was guilty of genocide. Sack does a good job of proving
Goldhagen wrong about Poland).

In Poland, "...a disproportionate number of Communists were Jews. In 1930, at
its peak, 35% of the members of the party were Jewish. In Communist youth
organizations, Jewish membership was even higher, while Communists of Jewish
origin occupied most of the seats on the central committee. Communism
appealed to some Jews because it opposed anti-Semitism more vigorously than
any other Polish party...Jewish Communists reached their apogee in the years
immediately after World War Two, when the party leadership was totally in the
hands of the prewar Communist leadership that abhorred anti-Semitism."
(Sheldon Kirshner, The Canadian Jewish News, Nov. 5, 1992, p. 16).

Of course when one encounters the issue of Jews, Communists and Catholics in
Poland in the Establishment media or universities today, the mass murder of
the Polish Catholics at the hands of the Jewish Communists, is never raised.
Instead, a minor attack on Jews by Polish peasants enraged at the role of
Jews in Communist terror, which occurred in July, 1946 at Kielce and which
has come to be called the "Kielce pogrom" will be the centerpiece of the
"discussion. " The motivation for the attack is not usually mentioned.
Rather, the Catholic peasantry are painted in terms of "fiendish bigots"
whose "blind, irrational hate" for the "poor, persecuted Jews" resulted in
"yet another martyrdom of God's Chosen."

But the Catholic Primate of Poland at the time, Cardinal Hlond, a brave
prelate in a stalwart tradition of Christian resistance to Jewish tyranny in
Poland, so different from the traitorous philo-Judaism of the current
Pontiff, stated that the attack in Kielce occurred because of resentment 'due
to the Jews who today occupy leading positions in Poland's (Communist)
government and endeavor to introduce a governmental structure that the
majority of Poles do not wish to have." (Ibid., Kirshner).

As Piotr S. Wandycz of Yale University observes, "The average Pole could not
but notice in the Stalinist era that the two most powerful men in the
country--Berman and Minc--were both Jewish as was the dreaded security
official Rozanski." (N.Y. Review of Books, Aug. 18, 1983, p. 51).

With this record it is interesting to note that the Polish occupant of the
papacy, John Paul II, consistently lent his prestige and his presence to
canonizations and commemorations of politically correct victims of the Nazis.
Nowhere did this Pope breath a word about the openly Jewish, Communist
massacres of Polish Catholics, Spanish Catholics, Croatian Catholics,
Lithuanian Catholics--he was too busy, intoning the Shoah, referring to the
heirs of the Pharisees as "our Elder Brothers in the Faith" giving official
recognition to an Israeli state which even many orthodox, Haredi rabbis
regard as a blasphemous and abominable entity, and attacking the German
people as "the image of the beast."

Solomon Morel : commandant of a post-war Communist concentration camp for
Germans in Poland. Stalin deliberately put Jews in charge of such camps.
Morel tortured and murdered thousands of Germans, sometimes with his bare
hands (cf. "The Wrath of Solomon," Village Voice, March 30, 1993 and John
Sack, An Eye for an Eye). Morel is comfortably esconsed in Tel Aviv. German
survivors of Morel's camp have demanded he be tried as a war criminal, but
for the Establishment media and the phony, partisan, "human rights" groups,
bringing Morel to justice is simply a non-issue. After all, he murdered
helpless Germans, so what's the problem?

Julius Hammer, M.D.: New York abortionist and co-founder of the American
communist party. Armand Hammer: fundraiser and financier for Lenin and
Stalin, son of Julius. "The Communist Party was also the most Jewish party in
America. At least nineteen percent of the Young Communist League were Jews
and never less than forty percent of its leadership." (Source: "Pakn Treger:
>From Yiddish Roots to the Frontiers of Jewish Culture," Fall 1997, p. 18).

Lev Davidovich Landau: Stalinist physicist, co-father of the Soviet atomic
bomb. Klaus Fuchs: helped steal atomic bomb secrets for Stalin. Ruth Werner:
colonel, Red Army GRU intelligence, assisted Fuchs. Julius and Ethel
Rosenberg: stole American atomic bomb secrets for Stalin. Morris Cohen (Peter
Kroger): assisted the Rosenbergs. Markus Wolf: chief of German Communist
Stasi Secret Police.

Howard Fast: American communist propagandist for Stalin. David Dubinsky:
Stalin's ally, head of the U.S. International Ladies Garment Workers Union.
Nahum Goldmann: founder, World Jewish Congress, communist propagandist. Rabbi
Moses Rosen: agent, Romanian communist party. Victor Rothschild: top British
espionage agent for Stalin.

Mark Zborowski: "...considered by historians of Soviet terror operations to
have been the most fearsome...(Soviet) spy of all time" (Stephen Schwartz,
Forward, Jan. 26, 1996). Zborowski, a medical researcher, murdered a
dissident with a poisoned orange at the Soviet-run hospital in Paris.
Zborowski was implicated in several other assassinations in 1936 and 1937. In
the 1940s worked for both the American Jewish Committee and the KGB. In the
1960s Zborowski worked as a medical researcher at Mount Zion Hospital in San
Francisco. He trained numerous psychiatrists and medical specialists in the
Bay Area. He died in 1990 (cf. "The Strange Case of Doctor Zborowski and
Monsieur Etienne" by Philippe Videlier, in Le Monde Diplomatique, Dec. 1992).

>From 1936-1939, when Stalin's "International Brigade" forces were dispatched
to Spain to fight the Catholics, Jewish Communists comprised the largest
faction of his troops, "More than 40,000 volunteers fought in the
International Brigade...A huge number of the volunteers were Jews: between
7,000 and 10,000 of the Internationals as a whole, more than one-third of the
Americans." Jewish Communist Milton Wolff was the last commander of the
American contingent. Rabbi Hyman Katz joined in order to fight Spanish
Christians. (cf. Jeffrey Sharlet, "Troublemakers," Pakn Treger, Fall, 1997,
pp. 16, 18 and 24).

The Communists slaughtered 6,549 Spanish priests, 283 helpless nuns and 13
bishops. "In Ciudad Real in the center of Spain, the bishop and every single
priest of the diocese were murdered; not one escaped." --Dr. Warren H.
Carroll, 70 Years of the Communist Revolution, pp. 184-185, 188-189. (Also
cf. Justo Perez de Urbel, Catholic Martyrs of the Spanish Civil War [Kansas
City, Missouri: The Angelus Press, 1993).

Stalin's propaganda agent in Spain was New Yorker Leon Rosenthal.

On Oct. 16, 1948, 50,000 Jewish communists turned out in Moscow's Red Square
to welcome the first Israeli delegation to Moscow. Stalin supported Zionism's
1947 Palestine partition plan, gave crucial recognition to the newly-created
state of Israel and voted for Israel's admission to the United Nations.

In 1951 communist and Marxist parties had twenty-three seats in the Israeli
Knesset. The kibbutz system was the most powerful movement in the country and
the most powerful kibbutz leaders were nearly all Marxists. The biggest
Israeli holiday was May Day, celebrated with rallies, marches, red banners
and red songs.

As recently as 1987 the Israelis were providing the KGB with American
intelligence secrets (cf. UPI dispatch by Richard Sale, Dec. 13, 1987 and The
City Paper [Washington, DC], Jan. 15, 1988). Jonathan Jay Pollard was part of
one such spy ring. British traitor and Communist spy Kim Philby was assisted
in obtaining safe haven in the Soviet Union by the Israeli Mossad (cf. Sunday
Telegraph [England], April 16, 1989). This was most appropriate since
Philby's KGB handler in Moscow was also Jewish.

Romania's communist regime received favorable trade deals from the U.S. for
years due to Israeli pressure on Congress in its behalf (N.Y. Times, Jan. 18,
1992, p. 23). The notion that the Zionist Jewish movement was anti-communist
is a fallacy. The truth is more complex. There was a left wing and a right
wing within Zionism. The rightists, like the terrorists Jabotinsky and Stern,
took a fascist approach. Leftist Zionists like David "I am a Bolshevik"
Ben-Gurion admired the Soviet model of Jewish power and sought to incorporate
it as the political economy of the Israeli state.

"National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs
characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an extreme
form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
cannibalism...under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the death
penalty." (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).

The African National Congress (ANC) in South Africa was guided by two
Communist Jews, Albie Sachs, "one of its foremost intellectuals"( London
Sunday Times, Aug. 29, 1993) and Yossel Mashel Slovo (Joe Slovo).

Slovo was born in a shtetl in Lithuania and grew up speaking Yiddish and
studying the Talmud. He joined the ANC's terrorist wing, the Umkhonto we
Sizwe, in 1961 and eventually became its commander. He was named Secretary
General of the South African Communist Party in 1986. ("Joe Slovo," Jewish
Chronicle, Jan. 13, 1995).

Slovo had been the " planner of many of the ANC terrorist attacks, including
the 1983 car bomb that killed 19 people and injured many others... Slovo, who
had traveled to the Soviet Union many times, was awarded a Soviet medal on
his 60th birthday...Slovo is a dedicated Communist, a Marxist Leninist
without morality of any kind, for whom only victory counts, whatever the
human cost, whatever the bloodshed...Slovo disputes little of his image as
'the Communist mastermind' behind the ANC's armed struggle. For him the fears
of South Africa's whites are both a measure of the ANC's growing strength and
a crucial factor in hastening what he believes will be its ultimate victory.
'Revolutionary violence has created the inspirational impact that we had
intended, and it has won for the ANC its leading position,' Slovo said."
("Rebel Strategist Seeks to End Apartheid," L.A. Times, Aug. 16, 1987, p.
14). When Nelson Mandela's ANC took over South Africa, Slovo was named
Minister of Housing.



Nelson Mandela and Joe Slovo give the clenched fist salute in front of the
blood-drenched Hammer and Sickle flag of Jewish Bolshevism.

Slovo, a Yiddish-speaking Lithuanian Jew, was Secretary General of the South
African Communist Party and director of the military wing of the ANC, which
perpetrated numerous terror bombings against white civilians.

Mandela was hailed as a great statesman by Britain's Queen Elizabeth II in
her 1996 Christmas message to the realm.


When we look at these gruesome personalities, who are only the tip of the
Jewish iceberg that was Soviet Communism and who were responsible for the
deaths of upwards of thirty million people; when we realize how little is
written or filmed about their crimes, we begin to realize that the exclusive
focus on the crimes of the Germans, real and imagined, is a function of
propaganda.

If the facts about the Jewish Communist holocaust against the peasants and
Christians of Russia and Eastern Europe were given massive publicity, the
supposed "special evil" of the Germans would stand exposed as a racist fraud.

German actions during World War Two must be viewed in a vacuum in order for
the New World Order to advance its covert objective of Jewish supremacy.

When Nazi actions are placed within the context of Jewish Communism's
abominable crimes against the Christian people of Russia and Eastern Europe,
the public will begin to understand that Hitler and the Nazis were a
reaction, however unbalanced and excessive, to the Jewish Communist genocide
against millions of Christians and peasants in the East.

This is why the crucial facts about Jewish Communism must never be documented
in Hollywood films, discussed in university courses or pictured in
contemporary news magazines. This is why Malcolm Muggeridge's book, an
eyewitness account of the Jewish Communist holocaust against Christians,
Winter in Moscow, has been tightly suppressed.

In the Sunday Telegraph (London, England: Nov. 18, 1990) the question is
asked, "Why then has it (Winter in Moscow) never been republished? The answer
may lie in Muggeridge's handling of what was then called the 'Jewish
question.'...Winter in Moscow is acutely concerned with Jews...It was of
course the case that a very disproportionate number of the early Bolsheviks
were Jews and thus of commissars and apparatchiki..."

The Campaign for Radical Truth in History's documentation of these forbiden
facts constitutes the chief motivation for the suppression attempts of such
Stalinist censorship groups as the A.D.L. and Simon Wiesenthal Center. Both
of these organizations would, if they could, have this writer jailed for
publishing the documentation herein in Germany, France, or Austria. They
regularly supply "intelligence files" to those governments on pro-Christian
and pro-German writers. In 1995 the ADL sought to assist the prosecution of
69 year old American writer Hans Schmidt who was imprisoned in Germany for
publishing a newsletter in Florida. These Jewish censors would like to have
similar laws passed worldwide, resulting in the jailing of more writers and
researchers who will not toe the party line or worship the Golden Calf.

To give the other side of history, the revisionist side--to give voice to the
voiceless millions of dead victims of Jewish Communism--is regarded as
"hateful" by the vain Zionists who demand for themselves the right to vomit
forth a daily barrage of sewage upon the sacred memory of our grandparents
and ancestors. To defend against the dishonoring of our heritage and our
ancestors, is surely not hate; it is the right of self-defense against
psychological warfare.

**************************************

All the carnage that the Jew has put on this earth is about to end and when
Russia reclaims their country, not only will the Jews pay in Moscow but also
in Israel. The earth will be perged of the children of Satan and this will be
a new earth. Oh Israel,
You cry over a lie of the magnitude of 5.3 million and try to hide the mass
murdering of  over 100 million christian souls. The true Israelites will rise
up and the charity that these Children of God will have is unthinkable.
Michael Snead
14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: HISTORICAL FACTS OF THE PROTOCOLS
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 01:49:53 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Steve,  why don't you post something with substance?
Michael

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Subject: [13texan] Steve, Your not Bob Hope
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 01:52:31 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Steve,
You are not allowed to do any onliners on this list...only a max of two is
allowed and Phil and Herbie are it.
Michael Snead14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: HISTORICAL FACTS OF THE PROTOCOLS
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 03:18:41 -0400
From: jsavage 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Hi all!

Hope wrote:
>
> When did they let you out, js?
>
Which time?....

Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite
a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew".

                                       The 1980 Jewish Almanac

> Steve
>
> jsavage wrote:
> >
> > Steve!
> >
> > You need to get with the lying plagerist Mathews and
> > let him teach you the proper way to cut and paste! hehehehe!
> >
> > What you plagerized is a well known lie...and is only believed
> > by prodigiously ignorant people such as mathews...
> >
> > js
> > --
> > Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite
> > a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew".
> >
> >                                        The 1980 Jewish Almanac
> >
> > Hope wrote:
> > >
> > > Ed Kadach wrote:
> > > >
> > > > HISTORICAL FACTS OF THE PROTOCOLS
> > >
> > >      (Ed KKKadach's usual lies snipped - what follows is the truth
> > >       about the Protocols)
> > >
> > >       Steve
> > >
> > >                     The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a
> > > forgery                     made in Russia for the Okhrana (secret
> > > police), which                  blames the Jews for the country's ills.
> > > It was first                 privately printed in 1897 and was made
> > > public in 1905.                 It is copied from a nineteenth century
> > > novel (Biarritz, 1868) and claims that
> > >                     a secret Jewish cabal is plotting to take over the
> > > world.
> > >
> > >                     The basic story was composed by a  German novelist
> > > and anti-Semite
> > >                     named Hermann Goedsche who used the pseudonym of Sir
> > > John
> > >                     Retcliffe. Goedsche stole the main story from
> > > another writer, Maurice
> > >                     Joly, whose "Dialogues in Hell Between Machiavelli
> > > and Montesquieu"
> > >                     (1864) involved a Hellish plot aimed at opposing
> > > Napoleon III.
> > >                     Goedsche's original contribution consists mainly of
> > > introducing Jews to
> > >                     do the plotting to take over the world.
> > >
> > >                     The Russians used big chunks of a Russian
> > > translation of Goedsche's
> > >                     novel, published it separately as the Protocols, and
> > > claimed they were
> > >                     authentic. Their purpose was political: to
> > > strengthen the czar Nicholas
> > >                     II's position by exposing his opponents as allies
> > > with those who were
> > >                     part of a massive conspiracy to take over the world.
> > > Thus, the
> > >                     Protocols are a forgery of a plagiarized fiction.
> > >
> > >                     The Protocols were exposed as a forgery in 1921 by
> > > Philip Grave, a
> > >                     correspondent for the London Times; by  Herman
> > > Bernstein in The
> > >                     Truth About "The Protocols of Zion": A Complete
> > > Exposure,
> > >                     reprinted with introduction by Norman Cohn (Ktav
> > > Publishing House,
> > >                     New York,1971); and Lucien Wolf in The Jewish Bogey
> > > and the
> > >                     Forged Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
> > > (London : Press
> > >                     Committee of the Jewish Board of Deputies,1920).
> > >
> > >                     The Protocols were published in a Michigan newspaper
> > > owned by
> > >                     Henry Ford. Even after they were exposed as a
> > > forgery, Ford's paper
> > >                     continued to cite the document. Adolf Hitler later
> > > used the Protocols to
> > >                     help justify his attempt to exterminate Jews during
> > > World War II.
> > >
> > >                     The Protocols hoax continues to fool people and is
> > > still cited by certain
> > >                     individuals and groups as the cause of all their
> > > woes.
> > >
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Subject: [13texan] Re: Room and Bored...
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 05:49:37 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=950

> In a message dated 9/8/99 7:07:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
philnancy@aol.com
> writes:
>
> << Thanks for demonstrating your antisemitism again. How long have
you had
>  this sense of self loathing? >>
>
> How long have you been a child of Satan and a Holohaox denier?
> Michael Snead

Why do you answer a question with a question? When are you going to
present evidence refuting the proven facts of the Holocaust?

Philip Mathews

> 14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Charge Room and Board for Concentration Camps
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 05:52:13 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=952
> In a message dated 9/8/99 9:27:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
philnancy@aol.com
> writes:
>
> << Spoken like the despicable Jew hater Snead is. Nothing could repay
the
>  survivors for the loss of 6 million. Snead will pay his price on
>  judgement day.
>
>  Philip Mathews
>   >>
>
> I thought that it was 5.3 million.....Phil...you really are confused
about
> the number aren't you?

Post your evidence for that? What your confused about is the truth. Do
you tell your children to lie if it maligns Jews?

 Well, that is understandable since it is hard to
> remember which lie you have told to whom.

But you can't point one out of course! Do you tell your kids that Daddy
lies about Jews?

Judgment day...My god is a loving
> God and God full of Grace and Truth....

He's not your God.

Philip Mathews

> Michael Snead14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Jews Forced America Into World War II
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 05:56:26 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

Kadach wrote:

Somebody tell Eddie about something called Pearl Harbor and the German
declaration of war on the U.S. some days later. Of course it doesn't
matter, he would continue to post nonsensical lies because he hates
Jews and would traffic in any distortion to blame them for any event
which has ever caused harm. In reality it was holders of racist Nazi
views, like those he espouses, who started the war with the United
States. Eddie must be wearing his colander backwards today.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: The Ritual Murder that Still Resounds
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 05:58:31 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Kadach wrote:

Eddie probably also believes in Ernst Zundel's fable about UFO's and
some Nazis hiding out in the North Pole!

Philip Mathews

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=955
> The Ritual Murder that Still Resounds Eighty Years After the Fact
>
> U.V
>
> The ritual murder of Tsar Nicholas II and his family was a watershed
> event and the ramifications of that crime are still being felt
throughout
> the world; not just Russia. Moreover, the balance of power in the
world
> today might accurately be attributed to the ritual murder of the
Romanov
> family.
>
> According to Mark Weber of the IHR, in an essay entitled "Assessing
the
> Grim Legacy of Soviet Communism," recent research and investigation by
> the Moscow playwright and historian Edvard Radzinsky and others
> corroborates the account provided years earlier by Robert Wilton,
> correspondent of the London Times in Russia for 17 years. Wilton's
> account, "The Last Days of the Romanovs"—originally published in
1920—is
> based in large part on the findings of a detailed investigation
carried
> out in 1919 by Nikolai Sokolov under the authority of "White"
> (anti-Communist) leader Alexander Kolchak. Wilton’s book remains one
of
> the most accurate and complete accounts of the murder of Russia’s
> imperial family.
>
> Edvard Radzinsky’s research has confirmed what earlier evidence had
> already indicated. The jew, Leon Trotsky (Lev Bronstein), one of
Lenin’s
> closest colleagues, had revealed years earlier that Lenin and the jew,
> Sverdlov, had together made the decision to put the Tsar and his
family
> to death.
>
> Abe Foxman's and the ADL's motive in trying to quash the ongoing
Russian
> investigation of this crime is understandable. In recent years, jews
> around the world have been voicing anxious concern over the specter of
> anti-Judaism in the lands of the former Soviet Union. In this new and
> uncertain era, we are told, suppressed feelings of hatred and rage
> against jews are once again being expressed. According to one public
> opinion survey conducted in 1991, for example, most Russians wanted
all
> jews to leave the country. But precisely why is anti-jewish sentiment
so
> widespread among the peoples of the former Soviet Union? Why do so
many
> Russians, Ukrainians, Lithuanians and others blame "the jews" for so
much
> misfortune?
>
> Although officially jews have never made up more than five percent of
> Russia’s total population, they played a highly disproportionate and
> probably decisive role in the infant Bolshevik regime, effectively
> dominating the Soviet government during its early years. Soviet
> historians, along with most of their colleagues in the West, for
decades
> preferred to ignore this subject. The facts, though, cannot be denied.
>
> With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the
> leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were jews.
Leon
> Trotsky (Lev Bronstein) headed the Red Army and, for a time, was
chief of
> Soviet foreign affairs. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the
Bolshevik
> party’s executive secretary and—as chairman of the Central Executive
> Committee—head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev
(Radomyslsky)
> headed the Communist International (Comintern), the central agency for
> spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other prominent jews
included
> press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn), foreign affairs commissar
Maxim
> Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld) and Moisei Uritsky.
>
> Lenin himself was of mostly Russian and Kalmuck ancestry, but he was
also
> one-quarter jewish. His maternal grandfather, Israel (Alexander)
Blank,
> was a Ukrainian jew who was later baptized into the Russian Orthodox
> Church. A thorough-going internationalist, Lenin viewed ethnic or
> cultural loyalties with contempt. He had little regard for his own
> countrymen. "An intelligent Russian," Lenin once remarked, "is almost
> always a jew or someone with jewish blood in his veins."
>
> Soviet Communism was jewish and the massive slaughters that jews were
> conducting there were well known to the Germans. With Communist jews
> fomenting a similar revolution in Germany, it is understandable that
the
> Germans were terrified by Bolshevism and by jews. Germany's
anti-jewish
> sentiment can hardly be regarded as other than a perfectly natural
> response to jewish Bolshevism, and just as the U.S. interned Japanese,
> Germans and Italians during WWII, the Germans did the same with jews
and
> put them in labor camps when she went to war with the Soviet Union.
>
> Too many people think that Germany imprisoned jews simply because they
> were jews. But that's just not the truth. According to the jewish
> historian, Norman Cantor, in his book, "The Sacred Chain," jews in
> Germany, prior to WWII, enjoyed better relations with the Christian
> Germans than jews ever had with any other people in their history.
That
> Germany's sentiments towards the jews should have turned apparently
> overnight cannot be explained any other way, than that the jews
> themselves by virtue of their fomenting Bolshevism are responsible.
Had
> jews not been trying to foment a communist revolution in Germany as
they
> had done in Russia, and were not the massive crimes of the jewish
> Bolsheviks in the Soviet Union so constantly and terrifyingly before
> Germany's eyes, there is absolutely no reason to think that Germans
would
> have developed so potent an anti-jewish sentiment.
>
> Igor Shafarevich, a Russian mathematician of world stature, has
sharply
> criticized the jewish role in bringing down the Romanov monarchy and
> establishing Communist rule in his country. In "Russophobia," a book
> written ten years before the collapse of Communist rule, Shafarevich
> noted that jews were "amazingly" numerous among the personnel of the
> Bolshevik secret police. The characteristic jewishness of the
Bolshevik
> executioners, Shafarevich went on, is most conspicuous in the
execution
> of Nicholas II:
>
> "This ritual action symbolized the end of centuries of Russian
history,
> so that it can be compared only to the execution of Charles I in
England
> or Louis XVI in France. It would seem that representatives of an
> insignificant ethnic minority should keep as far as possible from this
> painful action, which would reverberate in all history. Yet what names
> do we meet? The execution was personally overseen by Yakov Yurovsky
who
> shot the Tsar; the president of the local Soviet was Beloborodov
> (Vaisbart); the person responsible for the general administration in
> Ekaterinburg was Shaya Goloshchekin. To round out the picture, on the
> wall of the room where the execution took place was a distich from a
poem
> by Heine (written in German) about King Balthazar, who offended
Jehovah
> and was killed for the offense."
>
> The jewish head of the Soviet Red Army, Trotsky, defended the
massacre of
> the Romanovs as a useful and even necessary measure. He wrote:
>
> "The decision [to kill the imperial family] was not only expedient but
> necessary. The severity of this punishment showed everyone that we
would
> continue to fight on mercilessly, stopping at nothing. The execution
of
> the Tsar’s family was needed not only in order to frighten, horrify,
and
> instill a sense of hopelessness in the enemy (the Russian
> anti-Communists) but also to shake up our own ranks, to show that
there
> was no turning back, that ahead lay either total victory or total
doom.
> This Lenin sensed well."
>
> The jewish role in the despotic Soviet regime cannot be justified. In
a
> recently published book about the jews in Russia during the 20th
century,
> Russian-born jewish writer Sonya Margolina goes so far as to call the
> jewish role in supporting the Bolshevik regime the "historic sin of
the
> jews." She points, for example, to the prominent role of jews as
> commandants of Soviet Gulag concentration and labor camps, and the
role
> of jewish Communists in the systematic destruction of Russian
Christian
> churches. Moreover, she goes on, "The jews of the entire world
supported
> Soviet power, and remained silent in the face of any criticism from
the
> opposition."  In light of this record, Margolina offers a grim
> prediction:
>
> "The exaggeratedly enthusiastic participation of the jewish
Bolsheviks in
> the subjugation and destruction of Russia is a sin that will be
avenged.
> Soviet power will be equated with jewish power, and the furious hatred
> against the Bolsheviks will become hatred against jews."
>
> In my judgment, it's impossible to even hope that jews will not
> ultimately be held to account for their massive crimes against
humanity
> in the 20th century. And they've no one to blame for their sorry lot
but
> themselves. The ADL, the JDL, and all the jewish federations combined
> cannot stay the certain justice that is definitely on its way.
>
> NUNC SCIO TENEBRIS LUX
>
> Ed Kadach
>
> "All truth passes through three stages. First,
> it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
> ---Schopenhauer
>

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Talmudists can't be trusted
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 06:04:37 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=959
>  Jerusalem Post, 02-26-1998, pp 01.

Gee, how surprising, the Israelis have spies, like every other country
in the world! But it does give our Jew hater Snead an opportunity to
demonstrate his mindless fixation once again.

Philip Mathews

>
> At least one Mossad agent was recently arrested in Switzerland in a
bugging
> operation gone awry, Swiss television reported last night."The
suspect is
> accused of having conducted espionage with eavesdropping devices,"
the report
> said. It quoted reliable sources in Berne as saying at least one
Mossad
> operative had been taken into custody last week.
>
> Swiss officials were not available to comment on the report, which
did not
> give any other details.Swiss Federal Prosecutor Carla Del Ponte's
office said
> she and Foreign Ministry State Secretary Jakob Kellenberger would
brief
> reporters this morning."All I can say is that it involves an
espionage case,"
> a spokesman for Del Ponte said.
>
> Agence France Presse quoted a diplomatic source in Berne as saying
that
> according to one version of events, Mossad agents were caught taking
> photographs, while another version said that electronic surveillance
> equipment had been planted in an Iranian mission at the UN center in
Geneva.
>
> The source alleged that several agents were arrested and that "the
issue of
> their release is under negotiation between Israel and
Switzerland."The Mossad
> was shocked by the foul-up, which is what actually led to Danny
Yatom's
> resignation as
> head of Mossad, a government source here said.
>
> The Knesset subcommittee on intelligence heard a report about the
foul-up on
> Monday. Sources in the committee were angry that Yatom did not report
the
> incident of his own initiative and that the panel's chairman Uzi
Landau
> (Likud) learned about it from a security source and then asked Yatom,
who
> confirmed the information. Landau disagreed with the critics and
accused
> political and Mossad elements of deliberately leaking the information
to try
> and damage state security.
>
> Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu learned immediately of the foul- up
last
> week, while the Ciechanover Committee report was on his desk, sources
said.
> They said that he asked the Mossad to investigate. Netanyahu denied
yesterday
> that he had forced Yatom to step down.
>
> Speaking in the Knesset, Netanyahu said he has not finished reading
the
> Ciechanover report and therefore could not have made up his mind on
this
> issue."I gave Danny Yatom my full backing and all the appreciation
which I
> really have for him," he said. "The decision was his and his alone.
>
> He came to me with a firm decision and I respected it." Netanyahu
would not
> comment on the reports of the latest operational failure of the
Mossad. He
> said he hopes to choose a new director within a few days and does not
intend
> to come out with any "interim announcements" about candidates.
>
> Netanyahu said the director of the Mossad must be "a man who will
assure its
> efficient, successful and secret functioning." He said it was
important that
> the Mossad not be damaged because it is central to our existence. "We
> must avoid creating a situation in which these people, who undertake
fateful
> missions for the sake of our security will take into consideration -
the
> personnel and their commanders - what will happen to them in case of
a mishap.
>
> "There are slip-ups and successes the scope of which is impossible to
imagine
> and it is impossible to imagine the contribution made by these
successes to
> our security."
>
> Local media broadcasts yesterday gave few details about the latest
foul-up
> but made reference to a case in 1991 when four Israelis were arrested
during
> an attempt to bug the Iranian embassy in Nicosia in the dead of night.
>
> The four, widely reported to be Mossad agents, claimed they had been
looking
> for a lavatory. They were released on payment of $1,000 fines.
>
> The Mossad was exposed to further embarrassment last December when
one of its
> former officials, Yehuda Gil, was arrested on suspicion of feeding
the agency
> false information and pocketing money intended for informers.
>
>
>

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Subject: [13texan] Re: HISTORICAL FACTS OF THE PROTOCOLS
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 06:08:50 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Savage wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=962
> Steve!
>
> You need to get with the lying plagerist Mathews and
> let him teach you the proper way to cut and paste! hehehehe!

Savage, you need to get out of that rusty trailer and buy a dictionary
so you'll know how to spell plagiarist!

>
> What you plagerized is a well known lie...and is only believed
> by prodigiously ignorant people such as mathews...

The Protocols are the lie, and what is well known is that they are
believed only by half wit Jew haters like you. I'll bet you can play
the banjo lead to the Deliverance theme!

Philip Mathews

>
> js
> --
> Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite
> a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew".
>
>                                        The 1980 Jewish Almanac
>
> Hope wrote:
> >
> > Ed Kadach wrote:
> > >
> > > HISTORICAL FACTS OF THE PROTOCOLS
> >
> >      (Ed KKKadach's usual lies snipped - what follows is the truth
> >       about the Protocols)
> >
> >       Steve
> >
> >                     The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a
> > forgery                     made in Russia for the Okhrana (secret
> > police), which                  blames the Jews for the country's
ills.
> > It was first                 privately printed in 1897 and was made
> > public in 1905.                 It is copied from a nineteenth
century
> > novel (Biarritz, 1868) and claims that
> >                     a secret Jewish cabal is plotting to take over
the
> > world.
> >
> >                     The basic story was composed by a  German
novelist
> > and anti-Semite
> >                     named Hermann Goedsche who used the pseudonym
of Sir
> > John
> >                     Retcliffe. Goedsche stole the main story from
> > another writer, Maurice
> >                     Joly, whose "Dialogues in Hell Between
Machiavelli
> > and Montesquieu"
> >                     (1864) involved a Hellish plot aimed at opposing
> > Napoleon III.
> >                     Goedsche's original contribution consists
mainly of
> > introducing Jews to
> >                     do the plotting to take over the world.
> >
> >                     The Russians used big chunks of a Russian
> > translation of Goedsche's
> >                     novel, published it separately as the
Protocols, and
> > claimed they were
> >                     authentic. Their purpose was political: to
> > strengthen the czar Nicholas
> >                     II's position by exposing his opponents as
allies
> > with those who were
> >                     part of a massive conspiracy to take over the
world.
> > Thus, the
> >                     Protocols are a forgery of a plagiarized
fiction.
> >
> >                     The Protocols were exposed as a forgery in 1921
by
> > Philip Grave, a
> >                     correspondent for the London Times; by  Herman
> > Bernstein in The
> >                     Truth About "The Protocols of Zion": A Complete
> > Exposure,
> >                     reprinted with introduction by Norman Cohn (Ktav
> > Publishing House,
> >                     New York,1971); and Lucien Wolf in The Jewish
Bogey
> > and the
> >                     Forged Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
> > (London : Press
> >                     Committee of the Jewish Board of Deputies,1920).
> >
> >                     The Protocols were published in a Michigan
newspaper
> > owned by
> >                     Henry Ford. Even after they were exposed as a
> > forgery, Ford's paper
> >                     continued to cite the document. Adolf Hitler
later
> > used the Protocols to
> >                     help justify his attempt to exterminate Jews
during
> > World War II.
> >
> >                     The Protocols hoax continues to fool people and
is
> > still cited by certain
> >                     individuals and groups as the cause of all their
> > woes.
> >

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Subject: [13texan] The Bolshevic Canard
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 06:39:15 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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The Bolshevik Canard
an essay by Richard J. Green
                                                          Web Version
1.2.

Holocaust deniers and Nazi-apologists often make some very revealing
claims    regarding Jews, Bolshevism, and Stalinism. They often claim
that Bolshevism
was a Jewish movement that resulted in mass murder of Christians on a
scale
much larger than the Final Solution. The implication is that even
though the
Holocaust did not happen, the Jews deserved it and/or the fact that
Stalinist
committed mass murder somehow diminishes the fact that the Nazis and
their
accomplices committed mass murder. Even if the Holocaust-deniers and
Nazi-apologists had their facts straight, one would have to wonder at
their
reasoning. How does the supposed fact that some Jews committed mass
murder justify mass murder of Jews? Notwithstanding, this absurd and
inhumane implication we must, as usual call into question the supposed
facts.

            The Crimes of Stalinism

The crimes of Stalinism are not to be underestimated. That the
Stalinist regime
committed crimes of unprecedented magnitude and inhumanity is beyond
reasonable debate. The forced collectivizations in Kazakhstan, Soviet
Central
Asia, and, of course the Ukraine 1 took a horrendous toll:

The Great Famine of 1932-33 in which 5-10 million lives were
lost, was caused in large measure by the chaos of collectivization.
Although agricultural production declined in the 1930s, the export
of grain increased. Robert Tucker calls forced collectivization a
"state-initiated, state-directed, and state-enforced revolution from
above." 2,3

The brutality of the Stalinist regime is incontrovertible. The Jewish
origin of this brutality, on the other hand is a mendacious claim.

            Was Bolshevism a Jewish movement?

In a post to the Usenet group alt.revisionism, Jacob Minsky 4
demonstrates in
no uncertain terms the absurdity of such a position. First, he quotes
Pipes:

                 The census of the Communist Party conducted in 1922
showed
                 that only 959 Jewish members joined before 1917. 5

Minsky then poses the following question to his Nazi-apologist
interlocutor:

                 Why was the Jewish Labor Bund one of only two
political                        parties (the other one was the small
and heavily Jewish PSR, a
                 democratic socialist party) to unequivocally condemn
in the
                 Congress of Deputies the Bolshevik seizure of power? 6

The typical response of the antisemite is to pick out a few prominent
Bolsheviks and claim without evidence that they were Jewish. That
Trotsky was a Jew is true, but antisemites forget to note that he was
one of the early and strongest critics of Stalin and that this
criticism cost him his life. Perhaps, a few of the fewer than 1000 Jews
who were early members of the Party were indeed in leadership
positions, but as Aristotle assures us, "One swallow does not a summer
make."

Of course, it is ridiculous to blame a single ethnicity for the crimes
of the
Bolsheviks. The fact that Stalin was a Georgian does not make all
Georgians
responsible for the crimes of Stalinism. Some may argue that it is just
as
unreasonable to blame all Germans for the crimes of the Nazis. This
point is
valid: guilt should be assigned individually not collectively. Only
those Germans who knew about, or should have known about, the Final
Solution, participated in its execution, or did nothing to stop it when
they could have done so, bear blame for these crimes. Needless to say,
young Germans born after the war can only be blameless.

Antisemites blame Jews for Bolshevism by use of a few half-truths. By
this
method, it could be shown that it was, in fact, Germans who are
responsible for
Bolshevism. It is perhaps just as (un)reasonable to blame Germans for
the rise
of Bolshevism as it is to blame Jews. Marx, after all, was a German
atheist.
Additionally, the political leader of Germany at the time of the
Bolshevik
Revolution was one of the Bolsheviks greatest sponsors.

            German Kaiser sponsors Bolshevism

Martin Gilbert has the following to say about the German government's
support
of Bolshevism:

                 The Bolsheviks had not expected the Austrian and German
                 Governments to be sympathetic to their revolutionary
cause,                    but policy-makers in both Berlin and Vienna
were eager to                      support the spread of Bolshevism in
the hope, not all that far                  fetched, that the
Bolsheviks would undermine stable government                  in Russia
and destroy the warmaking powers of the Tsar. On
January 7 [1915-RJG] a Bolshevik group in Petrograd
distributed leaflets to soldiers, workers, and peasants,
       calling on them not to pay their monthly rents. That same day
              in Constantinople, a wealthy Bolshevik Alexander
Helphand,                     approached the German Ambassador to
Turkey with the words:                     'The interests of the German
Government are identical with                     those of the Russian
revolutionaries.' ... Helphand's                          conversation
marked the start of a growing German interest in
stimulating revolution in Russia: an interest that was to be
      intensified by the stalemate on the battlefield, and to find
             its culmination in facilitating the return of Lenin to
Russia,                 across German soil. Within three months the
German government                  gave money to an Estonian
intermediary to give to Lenin, to                    encourage him to
pursue his anti-war activities. In fact, he                   needed no
encouragement.

            Gilbert adds a footnote:

                 The sum paid over to Lenin was between 200, 000 and
250, 000
                 Marks, worth at that time between $50, 000 and $62, 000
                 dollars. When the Bolsheviks came to pay it back in
1923, the
                 inflation of the Mark was such that it was worth less
than $1. 7

Will our antisemitic "friends" blame the Germans for the origins of
Bolshevism as readily as they blame the Jews? To blame either group
would, in my view, be
ludicrous. I mean only to point out the hypocrisy of our "friends" who
will no
doubt continue to blame the Jews for the Bolshevik Revolution as well as
capitalist exploitation, the ozone hole and the heat death of the
universe.

            Stalin Targets the Jews.

In examining the question of whether Stalin was a Jew exterminating
Christians,
it might be relevent to examine how he treated Jews.

In our context, developments in the Soviet Union, especially after 1948
-the year of Zhdanov's mysterious death and the "Leningrad affair"- are
of greater importance. For the first time after the Great Purge, Stalin
had a great number of high and highest officials executed, and we know
for certain that this was planned as the beginning of another
nationwide purge. This would have been
touched off by the "Doctor's plot" had Stalin's death not intervened. A
group of mostly Jewish physicians were accused of having plotted "to
wipe out the leading cadres of the USSR." 30 ...Moreover, the very
content of the absurd accusation against the physicians, that they
would kill off people in leading positions all over the country, must
have filled with fearful forebodings all those who were acquainted with
Stalin's method of accusing a fictitious
enemy of the crime he himself was about to commit. (The best known
example is of course his accusation that Tukhachevski conspired with
Germany at the very moment when Stalin was contemplating an alliance
with the Nazis.) ...

The most dramatic new element in this last purge, which Stalin planned
in the last years of his life, was a decisive shift in ideology, the
introduction of a Jewish world conspiracy. For years, the ground for
this change had been carefully laid in a number of trials in the
satellite countries -the Rajk trial in Hungary, the Ana Pauker affair
in Rumania, and, in 1952, the Slansky trial in Czechoslovakia. In these
preparatory measures, high party officials were singled out because of
their "Jewish bourgeois" origins and accused of Zionism; this
accusation was gradually changed to implicate notoriously non-Zionist
agencies (especially the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee),
in order to indicate that all Jews were Zionists, and all Zionist
groups "hirelings of American Imperialism." 32 There was of course
nothing new in
the "crime" of Zionism, but as the campaign progressed and began to
center on Jews in the Soviet Union, another significant change took
place: Jews now stood accused of "cosmopolitanism" rather than Zionism,
and the pattern of accusations that developed out of this slogan
followed ever more closely the Nazi pattern of a Jewish world
conspiracy in the sense of the Elders of Zion. It now became
startlingly clear how deep an impression this mainstay of
Nazi ideology must have made on Stalin -the first indications of this
had been in evidence ever since the Hitler-Stalin pact- partly, to be
sure, because of its obvious propaganda value in Russia as in all of
the satellite countries, where anti-Jewish feeling was widespread and
anti-Jewish propaganda had always enjoyed great popularity, but partly
also because this type of a fictitious world conspiracy provided an
ideologically more suitable background for
totalitarian claims to world rule than Wall Street, capitalism, and
imperialism. The open, unashamed adoption of what had become to the
whole world the most prominent sign of Nazism was the last compliment
Stalin paid to his late colleague and rival in total domination with
whom, much to his chagrin, he had not been able to come to a lasting
agreement. 8

Thus, it is clear that not only is the claim that Bolshevism was a
Jewish plot to commit genocide against Christians a canard, but the
number one culprit of
Soviet mass murder was himself an antisemite and might have tried to
finish
what our Nazi-apologists' hero started, viz.the total annihilation of
the Jewish people in Europe.



            Last modified: March 24, 1998
            Copyright © 1997 Richard J. Green and The Holocaust History
                   Project. All rights reserved.

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Subject: [13texan] No Subject
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 06:51:09 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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In 1943 the SS court punished SS member Max Taubner for violating
procedural rules of the SS. It is unmistakeable in the courts verdict,
however, that the extermination of the Jews was ongoing and a policy of
the Nazi state. As the court states, Taubner was not being punished
merely for killing Jews, but because special units had been established
for that purpose, and because he recklessly endangered the state by
conduct which could have revealed the secret of Nazi extermination of
the Jews.

Philip Mathews

Excerpts from Verdict of the SS Court in Munich, against
SS-Untersturmfuehrer Max Taubner, 24 of May 1943
['The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The Free Press,
NY, 1988, p, 196-207]
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1. The accused shall not be punished because of the actions against
the Jews as such. The Jews have to be exterminated and none of the
Jews that were killed is any great loss. Although the accused should
have recognized that the extermination of the Jews was the duty of
Kommandos which were set up especially for this purpose, he should
be excused for considering himself to have the authority to take
part in the extermination of Jewry himself. Real hatred of the Jews
was the driving motivation for the accused. In the process he let
himself be drawn into committing cruel actions in Alexandriya which
are unworthy of a German man and an SS-officer. These excesses cannot
be justified, either, as the accused would like to, as retaliation
for the pain that the Jews have caused the German people. It is not
the German way to apply Bolshevic methods during the necessary
extermination of the worst enemy of our people. In so doing the
conduct of the accused gives rise to considerable concern. The
accused allowed his men to act with such vicious brutality that
they conducted themselves under his command like a savage horde...

2. By taking photographs of the incidents or having photographs
taken, by having these developed in photographic shops and showing
them to his wife and friends, the accused is guilty of disobedience.
Such pictures could pose the gravest risks to the security of the
Reich if they fell into the wrong hands...

Dismissal of the case against the remaining parties, 1 June 1943

The following has been established on the basis of the main trial
of SS-Untersturmfuehrer Max Taubner...
The following men were party to the punishable acts committed or
ordered by SS-Untersturmfuehrer Max Taubner:

1. SS-Unterscharfuehrer Walter Muller particularly stood out during
the shootings of Jews with the brutality with which he tore small
Jewish children from their mothers. He held these children in
front of him with his left hand and then, with his right hand,
shot them with a pistol.

 .
 . [three more SS-personnel accused]
 .

Allowances have been made for the fact that the accused were, without
exception, acting on the orders of and under the responsibility
of Untersturmfuehrer Max Taubner. In this respect, their own
culpability may be described as slight...

The cases against these accused have therefore been dismissed.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: HISTORICAL FACTS OF THE PROTOCOLS
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 10:53:57 -0400
From: Hope 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
Organization: Animal Rescue & Referral
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Ed Kadach wrote:
>
> HISTORICAL FACTS OF THE PROTOCOLS

     (Ed KKKadach's usual lies snipped - what follows is the truth
      about the Protocols)

      Steve

                    The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a
forgery                     made in Russia for the Okhrana (secret
police), which                  blames the Jews for the country's ills.
It was first                 privately printed in 1897 and was made
public in 1905.                 It is copied from a nineteenth century
novel (Biarritz, 1868) and claims that
                    a secret Jewish cabal is plotting to take over the
world.

                    The basic story was composed by a  German novelist
and anti-Semite
                    named Hermann Goedsche who used the pseudonym of Sir
John
                    Retcliffe. Goedsche stole the main story from
another writer, Maurice
                    Joly, whose "Dialogues in Hell Between Machiavelli
and Montesquieu"
                    (1864) involved a Hellish plot aimed at opposing
Napoleon III.
                    Goedsche's original contribution consists mainly of
introducing Jews to
                    do the plotting to take over the world.

                    The Russians used big chunks of a Russian
translation of Goedsche's
                    novel, published it separately as the Protocols, and
claimed they were
                    authentic. Their purpose was political: to
strengthen the czar Nicholas
                    II's position by exposing his opponents as allies
with those who were
                    part of a massive conspiracy to take over the world.
Thus, the
                    Protocols are a forgery of a plagiarized fiction.

                    The Protocols were exposed as a forgery in 1921 by
Philip Grave, a
                    correspondent for the London Times; by  Herman
Bernstein in The
                    Truth About "The Protocols of Zion": A Complete
Exposure,
                    reprinted with introduction by Norman Cohn (Ktav
Publishing House,
                    New York,1971); and Lucien Wolf in The Jewish Bogey
and the
                    Forged Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
(London : Press
                    Committee of the Jewish Board of Deputies,1920).

                    The Protocols were published in a Michigan newspaper
owned by
                    Henry Ford. Even after they were exposed as a
forgery, Ford's paper
                    continued to cite the document. Adolf Hitler later
used the Protocols to
                    help justify his attempt to exterminate Jews during
World War II.

                    The Protocols hoax continues to fool people and is
still cited by certain
                    individuals and groups as the cause of all their
woes.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: HISTORICAL FACTS OF THE PROTOCOLS
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 11:42:42 -0400
From: jsavage 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

philnancy@aol.com wrote:
>
> Savage wrote:
>
> philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=962
> > Steve!
> >
> > You need to get with the lying plagerist Mathews and
> > let him teach you the proper way to cut and paste! hehehehe!
>
> Savage, you need to get out of that rusty trailer and buy a dictionary
> so you'll know how to spell plagiarist!
>

It is a recognized spelling from the "Geeks Spelling of
Antiquated Terms"

As far as the rusty old trailer is considered....it
is paid for :)...

> >
> > What you plagerized is a well known lie...and is only believed
> > by prodigiously ignorant people such as mathews...
>
> The Protocols are the lie, and what is well known is that they are
> believed only by half wit Jew haters like you.

js
Another one of your fabricated lies...you must
work for the government...

> I'll bet you can play
> the banjo lead to the Deliverance theme!
>
js
Beats being a piccoloist such as yourself....

js
--
Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite
a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew".

                                       The 1980 Jewish Almanac

> Philip Mathews
>
> >
> > js
> > --
> > Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite
> > a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew".
> >
> >                                        The 1980 Jewish Almanac
> >
> > Hope wrote:
> > >
> > > Ed Kadach wrote:
> > > >
> > > > HISTORICAL FACTS OF THE PROTOCOLS
> > >
> > >      (Ed KKKadach's usual lies snipped - what follows is the truth
> > >       about the Protocols)
> > >
> > >       Steve
> > >
> > >                     The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a
> > > forgery                     made in Russia for the Okhrana (secret
> > > police), which                  blames the Jews for the country's
> ills.
> > > It was first                 privately printed in 1897 and was made
> > > public in 1905.                 It is copied from a nineteenth
> century
> > > novel (Biarritz, 1868) and claims that
> > >                     a secret Jewish cabal is plotting to take over
> the
> > > world.
> > >
> > >                     The basic story was composed by a  German
> novelist
> > > and anti-Semite
> > >                     named Hermann Goedsche who used the pseudonym
> of Sir
> > > John
> > >                     Retcliffe. Goedsche stole the main story from
> > > another writer, Maurice
> > >                     Joly, whose "Dialogues in Hell Between
> Machiavelli
> > > and Montesquieu"
> > >                     (1864) involved a Hellish plot aimed at opposing
> > > Napoleon III.
> > >                     Goedsche's original contribution consists
> mainly of
> > > introducing Jews to
> > >                     do the plotting to take over the world.
> > >
> > >                     The Russians used big chunks of a Russian
> > > translation of Goedsche's
> > >                     novel, published it separately as the
> Protocols, and
> > > claimed they were
> > >                     authentic. Their purpose was political: to
> > > strengthen the czar Nicholas
> > >                     II's position by exposing his opponents as
> allies
> > > with those who were
> > >                     part of a massive conspiracy to take over the
> world.
> > > Thus, the
> > >                     Protocols are a forgery of a plagiarized
> fiction.
> > >
> > >                     The Protocols were exposed as a forgery in 1921
> by
> > > Philip Grave, a
> > >                     correspondent for the London Times; by  Herman
> > > Bernstein in The
> > >                     Truth About "The Protocols of Zion": A Complete
> > > Exposure,
> > >                     reprinted with introduction by Norman Cohn (Ktav
> > > Publishing House,
> > >                     New York,1971); and Lucien Wolf in The Jewish
> Bogey
> > > and the
> > >                     Forged Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
> > > (London : Press
> > >                     Committee of the Jewish Board of Deputies,1920).
> > >
> > >                     The Protocols were published in a Michigan
> newspaper
> > > owned by
> > >                     Henry Ford. Even after they were exposed as a
> > > forgery, Ford's paper
> > >                     continued to cite the document. Adolf Hitler
> later
> > > used the Protocols to
> > >                     help justify his attempt to exterminate Jews
> during
> > > World War II.
> > >
> > >                     The Protocols hoax continues to fool people and
> is
> > > still cited by certain
> > >                     individuals and groups as the cause of all their
> > > woes.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Jews Forced America Into World War II
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 12:40:09 -0400
From: Hope 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
Organization: Animal Rescue & Referral
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Ed Kadach wrote:

             (widdle Eddie's usual anti-semitic tripe snipped)

Oh, Eddie!  The orderlies are looking for you.

Steve

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Subject: [13texan] Re: The Ritual Murder that Still Resounds
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 12:43:28 -0400
From: Hope 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
Organization: Animal Rescue & Referral
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Ed Kadach wrote:

      (widdle Eddie's cut-and-paste anti-semitic rant snipped)

Eddie, it's time to take your medication and go to bed.

Steve

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Subject: [13texan] Re: No Subject
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:02:03 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Yeah, and you went to the movies to see,"SAHARA" and asked for two tickets in
the shade.

In a message dated 9/9/99 9:57:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, philnancy@aol.com
writes:

<< In 1943 the SS court punished SS member Max Taubner for violating
 procedural rules of the SS. It is unmistakeable in the courts verdict,
 however, that the extermination of the Jews was ongoing and a policy of
 the Nazi state. As the court states, Taubner was not being punished
 merely for killing Jews, but because special units had been established
 for that purpose, and because he recklessly endangered the state by
 conduct which could have revealed the secret of Nazi extermination of
 the Jews.

 Philip Mathews
  >>

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Subject: [13texan] Re: HISTORICAL FACTS OF THE PROTOCOLS
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:21:06 -0400
From: Hope 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
Organization: Animal Rescue & Referral
To: 13texan@egroups.com

When did they let you out, js?

Steve

jsavage wrote:
>
> Steve!
>
> You need to get with the lying plagerist Mathews and
> let him teach you the proper way to cut and paste! hehehehe!
>
> What you plagerized is a well known lie...and is only believed
> by prodigiously ignorant people such as mathews...
>
> js
> --
> Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite
> a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew".
>
>                                        The 1980 Jewish Almanac
>
> Hope wrote:
> >
> > Ed Kadach wrote:
> > >
> > > HISTORICAL FACTS OF THE PROTOCOLS
> >
> >      (Ed KKKadach's usual lies snipped - what follows is the truth
> >       about the Protocols)
> >
> >       Steve
> >
> >                     The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a
> > forgery                     made in Russia for the Okhrana (secret
> > police), which                  blames the Jews for the country's ills.
> > It was first                 privately printed in 1897 and was made
> > public in 1905.                 It is copied from a nineteenth century
> > novel (Biarritz, 1868) and claims that
> >                     a secret Jewish cabal is plotting to take over the
> > world.
> >
> >                     The basic story was composed by a  German novelist
> > and anti-Semite
> >                     named Hermann Goedsche who used the pseudonym of Sir
> > John
> >                     Retcliffe. Goedsche stole the main story from
> > another writer, Maurice
> >                     Joly, whose "Dialogues in Hell Between Machiavelli
> > and Montesquieu"
> >                     (1864) involved a Hellish plot aimed at opposing
> > Napoleon III.
> >                     Goedsche's original contribution consists mainly of
> > introducing Jews to
> >                     do the plotting to take over the world.
> >
> >                     The Russians used big chunks of a Russian
> > translation of Goedsche's
> >                     novel, published it separately as the Protocols, and
> > claimed they were
> >                     authentic. Their purpose was political: to
> > strengthen the czar Nicholas
> >                     II's position by exposing his opponents as allies
> > with those who were
> >                     part of a massive conspiracy to take over the world.
> > Thus, the
> >                     Protocols are a forgery of a plagiarized fiction.
> >
> >                     The Protocols were exposed as a forgery in 1921 by
> > Philip Grave, a
> >                     correspondent for the London Times; by  Herman
> > Bernstein in The
> >                     Truth About "The Protocols of Zion": A Complete
> > Exposure,
> >                     reprinted with introduction by Norman Cohn (Ktav
> > Publishing House,
> >                     New York,1971); and Lucien Wolf in The Jewish Bogey
> > and the
> >                     Forged Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
> > (London : Press
> >                     Committee of the Jewish Board of Deputies,1920).
> >
> >                     The Protocols were published in a Michigan newspaper
> > owned by
> >                     Henry Ford. Even after they were exposed as a
> > forgery, Ford's paper
> >                     continued to cite the document. Adolf Hitler later
> > used the Protocols to
> >                     help justify his attempt to exterminate Jews during
> > World War II.
> >
> >                     The Protocols hoax continues to fool people and is
> > still cited by certain
> >                     individuals and groups as the cause of all their
> > woes.
> >
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Subject: [13texan] Re: HISTORICAL FACTS OF THE PROTOCOLS
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:42:34 -0400
From: jsavage 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

hi all!

Hope wrote:
>
> jsavage wrote:
> >
> > Hi all!
> >
> > Hope wrote:
> > >
> > > When did they let you out, js?
> > >
> > Which time?....
> >
>
> After the last series of electro-shock therapy.
>

js
They don't use shock therapy at Trenton....drugs
are more efficent....

Lots of people from PRINCETON in Trenton....:)

Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite
a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew".

                                       The 1980 Jewish Almanac

> Steve
>
> > Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite
> > a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew".
> >
> >                                        The 1980 Jewish Almanac
> >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > > jsavage wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Steve!
> > > >
> > > > You need to get with the lying plagerist Mathews and
> > > > let him teach you the proper way to cut and paste! hehehehe!
> > > >
> > > > What you plagerized is a well known lie...and is only believed
> > > > by prodigiously ignorant people such as mathews...
> > > >
> > > > js
> > > > --
> > > > Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite
> > > > a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew".
> > > >
> > > >                                        The 1980 Jewish Almanac
> > > >
> > > > Hope wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ed Kadach wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HISTORICAL FACTS OF THE PROTOCOLS
> > > > >
> > > > >      (Ed KKKadach's usual lies snipped - what follows is the truth
> > > > >       about the Protocols)
> > > > >
> > > > >       Steve
> > > > >
> > > > >                     The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a
> > > > > forgery                     made in Russia for the Okhrana (secret
> > > > > police), which                  blames the Jews for the country's ills.
> > > > > It was first                 privately printed in 1897 and was made
> > > > > public in 1905.                 It is copied from a nineteenth century
> > > > > novel (Biarritz, 1868) and claims that
> > > > >                     a secret Jewish cabal is plotting to take over the
> > > > > world.
> > > > >
> > > > >                     The basic story was composed by a  German novelist
> > > > > and anti-Semite
> > > > >                     named Hermann Goedsche who used the pseudonym of Sir
> > > > > John
> > > > >                     Retcliffe. Goedsche stole the main story from
> > > > > another writer, Maurice
> > > > >                     Joly, whose "Dialogues in Hell Between Machiavelli
> > > > > and Montesquieu"
> > > > >                     (1864) involved a Hellish plot aimed at opposing
> > > > > Napoleon III.
> > > > >                     Goedsche's original contribution consists mainly of
> > > > > introducing Jews to
> > > > >                     do the plotting to take over the world.
> > > > >
> > > > >                     The Russians used big chunks of a Russian
> > > > > translation of Goedsche's
> > > > >                     novel, published it separately as the Protocols, and
> > > > > claimed they were
> > > > >                     authentic. Their purpose was political: to
> > > > > strengthen the czar Nicholas
> > > > >                     II's position by exposing his opponents as allies
> > > > > with those who were
> > > > >                     part of a massive conspiracy to take over the world.
> > > > > Thus, the
> > > > >                     Protocols are a forgery of a plagiarized fiction.
> > > > >
> > > > >                     The Protocols were exposed as a forgery in 1921 by
> > > > > Philip Grave, a
> > > > >                     correspondent for the London Times; by  Herman
> > > > > Bernstein in The
> > > > >                     Truth About "The Protocols of Zion": A Complete
> > > > > Exposure,
> > > > >                     reprinted with introduction by Norman Cohn (Ktav
> > > > > Publishing House,
> > > > >                     New York,1971); and Lucien Wolf in The Jewish Bogey
> > > > > and the
> > > > >                     Forged Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
> > > > > (London : Press
> > > > >                     Committee of the Jewish Board of Deputies,1920).
> > > > >
> > > > >                     The Protocols were published in a Michigan newspaper
> > > > > owned by
> > > > >                     Henry Ford. Even after they were exposed as a
> > > > > forgery, Ford's paper
> > > > >                     continued to cite the document. Adolf Hitler later
> > > > > used the Protocols to
> > > > >                     help justify his attempt to exterminate Jews during
> > > > > World War II.
> > > > >
> > > > >                     The Protocols hoax continues to fool people and is
> > > > > still cited by certain
> > > > >                     individuals and groups as the cause of all their
> > > > > woes.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: The Bolshevic Canard
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:08:43 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

    If Stalin was such an anti Semite, why was his third wife a Jew? Why was
his number one man Lazar M. Kaganovich a Jew? The same number one man
Kaganovich was also Stalin's Brother-in-law. That is right Kaganovich's
sister....A Jew, a doctor, and wife of Stalin.
    I have never blamed the origin of Bolshevism on the German people but the
German guests...like Moses Hess and Karl Marx. It is my thought that Hitler
was going to Moscow to expunge the Bloodsucking, victimizing, geocoding Jews.
The entire world knew what was going on in Russia yet the liberal media
didn't have the kazongadas (ka-zong-a-das) to report the truth. The truth, to
a Jew, is like a woman's girdle, you know that it is going to be stretched.
Michael Snead
14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Charge Room and Board for Concentration Camps
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:20:06 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Now Philip choses God's Servants. I knew that you Jews thought highly of
yourselves but that is thinking real high...What are you Smoking?

In a message dated 9/9/99 8:53:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, philnancy@aol.com
writes:

<< He's not your God.

 Philip Mathews
  >>

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Subject: [13texan] Re: HISTORICAL FACTS OF THE PROTOCOLS
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 11:20:55 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Savage wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=978
> philnancy@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Savage wrote:
> >
> > philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=962
> > > Steve!
> > >
> > > You need to get with the lying plagerist Mathews and
> > > let him teach you the proper way to cut and paste! hehehehe!
> >
> > Savage, you need to get out of that rusty trailer and buy a
dictionary
> > so you'll know how to spell plagiarist!
> >
>
> It is a recognized spelling from the "Geeks Spelling of
> Antiquated Terms"

Ah, so you're a Geek!

>
> As far as the rusty old trailer is considered....it
> is paid for :)...
>

I should hope so, now if you could only find a place to park it.

>
> > >
> > > What you plagerized is a well known lie...and is only believed
> > > by prodigiously ignorant people such as mathews...
> >
> > The Protocols are the lie, and what is well known is that they are
> > believed only by half wit Jew haters like you.
>
> js
> Another one of your fabricated lies...you must
> work for the government...

You haven't been able to point out a single one! And in this country,
Savage, we are the government.

>
> > I'll bet you can play
> > the banjo lead to the Deliverance theme!
> >
> js
> Beats being a piccoloist such as yourself....

A what!  LOL!

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: No Subject
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 11:23:26 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=980

> Yeah, and you went to the movies to see,"SAHARA" and asked for two
tickets in
> the shade.

Poor Snead replies like most deniers when confronted with evidence, he
runs away. If only he would only do that, rather than embarrass himself
with what no doubt passes for wit in his circles.

Philip Mathews

>
>
> In a message dated 9/9/99 9:57:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
philnancy@aol.com
> writes:
>
> << In 1943 the SS court punished SS member Max Taubner for violating
>  procedural rules of the SS. It is unmistakeable in the courts
verdict,
>  however, that the extermination of the Jews was ongoing and a policy
of
>  the Nazi state. As the court states, Taubner was not being punished
>  merely for killing Jews, but because special units had been
established
>  for that purpose, and because he recklessly endangered the state by
>  conduct which could have revealed the secret of Nazi extermination of
>  the Jews.
>
>  Philip Mathews
>   >>

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Jews Forced America Into World War II
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:27:45 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Hey, pssst, Someone tell Phil that the Jews Declared war on the Germans....he
must be drinking psychopathic coffee..he's weak in the bean.
Michael Snead
14/88

In a message dated 9/9/99 9:00:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, philnancy@aol.com
writes:

<< Somebody tell Eddie about something called Pearl Harbor and the German
 declaration of war on the U.S. some days later. Of course it doesn't
 matter, he would continue to post nonsensical lies because he hates
 Jews and would traffic in any distortion to blame them for any event
 which has ever caused harm. In reality it was holders of racist Nazi
 views, like those he espouses, who started the war with the United
 States. Eddie must be wearing his colander backwards today.

 Philip Mathews
  >>

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Subject: [13texan] Re: The Ritual Murder that Still Resounds
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:30:13 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

YOU MEAN THEY"RE NOT!!!!  %#$^%%$^%#%$@$#!%^^*)*&%%$@$#!@
Sneadster@aol.com

In a message dated 9/9/99 9:00:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, philnancy@aol.com
writes:

<< Kadach wrote:

 Eddie probably also believes in Ernst Zundel's fable about UFO's and
 some Nazis hiding out in the North Pole!

 Philip Mathews
  >>

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Subject: [13texan] Hans Stark - Nazis Testify to Gassing At Auschwitz
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 12:13:02 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

>From the statement of Hans Stark, registrar of new arrivals, Auschwitz:
[Quoted in "'The Good Old Days'" - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The
Free Press, NY, 1988, p. 255].
--------------------------------------------------------------
At another, later gassing -- also in autumn 1941 -- Grabner* ordered
me to pour Zyklon B into the opening because only one medical orderly
had shown up. During a gassing Zyklon B had to be poured through both
openings of the gas-chamber room at the same time. This gassing was
also a transport of 200-250 Jews, once again men, women and children.
As the Zyklon B -- as already mentioned -- was in granular form, it
trickled down over the people as it was being poured in. They then
started to cry out terribly for they now knew what was happening to
them. I did not look through the opening because it had to be closed
as soon as the Zyklon B had been poured in. After a few minutes there
was silence. After some time had passed, it may have been ten to
fifteen minutes, the gas chamber was opened. The dead lay
higgledy-piggedly all over the place. It was a dreadful sight.

   * Maximillian Grabner, Head of Political Department, Auschwitz

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Subject: [13texan] Re: No Subject
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:36:02 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Phil, now I thought that you were the denier. Are we confused here? You mean
to say after all of this you believe in the holohoax too? If you had a
brainstorm it would only be a light drizzle.

In a message dated 9/9/99 2:24:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, philnancy@aol.com
writes:

<< Poor Snead replies like most deniers when confronted with evidence, he
 runs away. If only he would only do that, rather than embarrass himself
 with what no doubt passes for wit in his circles. >>

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Subject: [13texan] Re: HISTORICAL FACTS OF THE PROTOCOLS
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:46:20 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

In a message dated 9/9/99 2:21:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, philnancy@aol.com
writes:

<< > Beats being a piccoloist such as yourself....

 A what!  LOL!


 Philip Mathews
  >>

Phil,  a piccolo is a small flute...in reference to a regular flute (a
musical instrument).
It has a high squeaky sound. a piccoloist is one who blows and sucks on the
little instrument....That reminds me Mr. Answerer of all questions (sic), Are
you Gay?
Der Sneadstermiester
14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: HISTORICAL FACTS OF THE PROTOCOLS
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:01:03 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

In a message dated 9/9/99 9:12:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, philnancy@aol.com
writes:

<< The Protocols are the lie, and what is well known is that they are
 believed only by half wit Jew haters like you. I'll bet you can play
 the banjo lead to the Deliverance theme! >>

At least he doesn't play something that you blow and suck on...like a small
flute...like the piccolo...you piccoloist....which reminds me...are
you.....ahhh already asked that.
Michael Snead
14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Hans Stark - Nazis Testify to Gassing At Auschwitz
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:17:01 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

In a message dated 9/9/99 3:14:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, philnancy@aol.com
writes:

<< Zyklon B >>
 Used for delicing and sterilizing clothes.

 All Lies.. A Jew will report that his brother occupied a chair of applied
electricity in a famous public institution...when he meant that his brother
got the electric chair at Sing Sing.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Descriptions of Gassing At Auschwitz
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:26:32 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

SNEADSTER@aol.com wrote:

> What a kangaroo court that Nuremberg was and the torture that was induced on
> the Germans to get them to talk was horrendous. By any standard the evidence
> would have been thrown out. All lies.

And your evidence for this contention is.....?
Have you read the transcripts?
Do you have proof - ANY proof - whatsoever that anyone was tortured?

I thought not.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Descriptions of Gassing At Auschwitz
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:28:39 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

SNEADSTER@aol.com wrote:

>         During the trial at Nuremberg, the questioning of the witnesses was
> done with torturous methods being applied. Most of us would get to the point

It was? Where is the evidence for this, Michael? I've read many hours' worth of
transcripts (they are all over the net), and I've watched hours of film from the
trials themselves, and I've read many books on the subject. I have seen *no*
evidence - none whatsoever - of torture. Please provide me with some evidence
here, Michael - assertions made without it are worthless.

Evidence, please.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Jews Forced America Into World War II
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:32:22 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Ed Kadach wrote:

> How The jews Forced America Into World War II

Ah, a non-biased article :-)

>      In the years before World War II, the American public had no desire to
> go to war in either Europe or Asia. The Americans, had no interest in
> warring with Germany, Italy or Japan. Yet America was forced to battle the

America was indeed forced into battle. Can you say "Pearl Harbor," Ed? Can you
explain why Germany declared war upon the United States, before Americans went to
war against Germany, Ed?

> In fact, World Jewry commenced its war against Germany in 1933, the year
> Hitler came to power, even before he had time to begin implementing a
> program for pulling Germany out of its own economic depression.

How many armies did "world Jewry" have back then, Ed? How many ships, infantry
divisions, fighter and bomber aircraft?

By the way, Ed, as any academic history book will tell you, Hitler drove Germany
to bankruptcy - it's one of the reasons Schacht resigned.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Jews Forced America Into World War II
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:37:47 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

SNEADSTER@aol.com wrote:

> Hey, pssst, Someone tell Phil that the Jews Declared war on the Germans....he
> must be drinking psychopathic coffee..he's weak in the bean.

Michael, I'm still waiting for either you or Ed to tell us how many army
divisions the Jews had when they "declared war" on Germany.... and how many
battleships and tanks they had?

Could you take time from your busy schedule to give us some references about
this? Perhaps a "Jane's Fighting Ships" or something like that, so we could
consider all those Jewish battleships.... it won't take you a minute, Michael, as
I'm convinced you have all the facts at your fingertips... I mean, hey, you
wouldn't say something without being able to prove it, now would you?

While you're at it, perhaps you could take another moment or two and drag out the
references that will teach us about all that torture at Nuremberg? I'd like to
see that stuff, too, so I can educate myself. Which books hold the evidence,
Michael?

http://www1.ca.nizkor.org/hweb/imt/

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Hans Stark - Nazis Testify to Gassing At Auschwitz
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:42:44 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

SNEADSTER@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 9/9/99 3:14:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, philnancy@aol.com
> writes:
>
> << Zyklon B >>
>  Used for delicing and sterilizing clothes.
>
>  All Lies.. A Jew will report that his brother occupied a chair of applied
> electricity in a famous public institution...when he meant that his brother
> got the electric chair at Sing Sing.

Could you perhaps (while you're getting the evidence of the size of the "World
Jewish Navy" and "World Jewish Ari Force," and proving that everyone who
testified at Nuremberg was tortured...) back up your concise and probing
commentary with some, ah, evidence?

What evidence, for instance, can you provide us to demonstrate that the Nazis did
not use Zyklon B to gas people, Michael?

http://www2.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/auschwitz/

What evidence, for instance, can you provide us which proves that there were no
homocidal gassings at Sobibor, Chelmno, Maidanek, Mauthausen, Belzec, Treblinka,
Hartheim, etc.?

http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/camps/aktion-reinhard/
http://www2.nizkor.org/camps/chelmno/

I'll jest sit here in the sun, and wait patiently while you go out and check
those sources, Michael... it's always a pleasure to chat with a scholar of your
caliber.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Hans Stark - Nazis Testify to Gassing At Auschwitz
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 17:50:01 -0400
From: jsavage 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Herb Gorman wrote:
>
> SNEADSTER@aol.com wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 9/9/99 3:14:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, philnancy@aol.com
> > writes:
> >
> > << Zyklon B >>
> >  Used for delicing and sterilizing clothes.
> >
> >  All Lies.. A Jew will report that his brother occupied a chair of applied
> > electricity in a famous public institution...when he meant that his brother
> > got the electric chair at Sing Sing.
>
> Could you perhaps (while you're getting the evidence of the size of the "World
> Jewish Navy" and "World Jewish Ari Force," and proving that everyone who
> testified at Nuremberg was tortured...) back up your concise and probing
> commentary with some, ah, evidence?
>
> What evidence, for instance, can you provide us to demonstrate that the Nazis did
> not use Zyklon B to gas people, Michael?
>
> http://www2.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/auschwitz/
>
> What evidence, for instance, can you provide us which proves that there were no
> homocidal gassings at Sobibor, Chelmno, Maidanek, Mauthausen, Belzec, Treblinka,
> Hartheim, etc.?
>
> http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/camps/aktion-reinhard/
> http://www2.nizkor.org/camps/chelmno/
>
> I'll jest sit here in the sun, and wait patiently while you go out and check
> those sources, Michael... it's always a pleasure to chat with a scholar of your
> caliber.

js
Nonsense. It is you who parrot semitic crap from know nothing
authors and websites and pretend its learning.

js
--
Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite
a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew".

                                       The 1980 Jewish Almanac

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Descriptions of Gassing At Auschwitz
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:44:50 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

In a message dated 9/9/99 4:24:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gormanh@home.com
writes:

<< Do you have proof - ANY proof - whatsoever that anyone was tortured?

 I thought not.

  >>
Do you have any proof they weren't? What proof do you have Herb....Show me
some proof...afraid you might be called a liar? scratch that idea we already
do that anyway. Show me the proof....
Michael Snead
14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Descriptions of Gassing At Auschwitz
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:51:58 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

In a message dated 9/9/99 4:28:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gormanh@home.com
writes:

<< It was? Where is the evidence for this, Michael? I've read many hours'
worth of
 transcripts
Written by liars.......Michael replies

(they are all over the net), and I've watched hours of film from the
 trials themselves,
manipulation.....just like any documentary the Jews are involved
in...propaganda.....

 and I've read many books on the subject.

again written by liars Herb...Michael writes

I have seen *no*evidence - none whatsoever - of torture. Please provide me
with some evidence
 here, Michael - assertions made without it are worthless.

 Evidence, please.

Michael  wrote:
 You are in denial and regardless of the evidence , you wouldn't accept it.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: HISTORICAL FACTS OF THE PROTOCOLS
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 18:55:17 -0400
From: jsavage 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

philnancy@aol.com wrote:
>
> Savage wrote:
>
> philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=978
> > philnancy@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Savage wrote:
> > >
> > > philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> > > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=962
> > > > Steve!
> > > >
> > > > You need to get with the lying plagerist Mathews and
> > > > let him teach you the proper way to cut and paste! hehehehe!
> > >
> > > Savage, you need to get out of that rusty trailer and buy a
> dictionary
> > > so you'll know how to spell plagiarist!
> > >
> >
> > It is a recognized spelling from the "Geeks Spelling of
> > Antiquated Terms"
>
> Ah, so you're a Geek!
>
js
Dunno....

> >
> > As far as the rusty old trailer is considered....it
> > is paid for :)...
> >
>
> I should hope so, now if you could only find a place to park it.
>

js
got a place ...The thirty-four acres it sets
on is also paid for....

> >
> > > >
> > > > What you plagerized is a well known lie...and is only believed
> > > > by prodigiously ignorant people such as mathews...
> > >
> > > The Protocols are the lie, and what is well known is that they are
> > > believed only by half wit Jew haters like you.
> >
> > js
> > Another one of your fabricated lies...you must
> > work for the government...
>
> You haven't been able to point out a single one!
>
js

Do the following Scriptures not fit the deceiving lying
people known as jews....

"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the
Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and
the Son."  (1John 2:22)

"WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:
[but] he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also".
                                             (1John 2:23)

"For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not
that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and
an antichrist." (2John 7)

"Whosoever transgresseth and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ,
hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath
both the Father and the Son". (2John 9)

"If there come any unto you and bring not this doctrine, receive
him not into your house, neither bid him God speed". (2John 10"

"For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds".
                                                      (2John 11)

"But ye believe me not, because ye are not of my sheep,
as I said unto you". (John 10:26)

"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, AND THEY
FOLLOW ME". (John 10:27)

"THEN THE JEWS TOOK UP STONES AGAIN TO STONE HIM". (John 10:27

And you stick up for these lying murderous deceivers!
Do the jews follow Jesus Christ?....The WORD of GOD
says they don't!!...read it!

But you are more intelligent than God...aren't you!?....
you are more humane than GOD...GOD really didn't mean
those things did he!

> And in this country,
> Savage, we are the government.

Really!?...who are we?....Are you speaking of MORTAL
man as being the government?!

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:
and the GOVERNMENT shall be upon his shoulder: and his
name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty
God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace". Isa 9:6

Mortal man doesn't stand a chance!

> >
> > > I'll bet you can play
> > > the banjo lead to the Deliverance theme!
> > >
> > js
> > Beats being a piccoloist such as yourself....
>
> A what!  LOL!

js
--
Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite
a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew".

                                       The 1980 Jewish Almanac

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Jews Forced America Into World War II
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:56:51 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

In a message dated 9/9/99 4:40:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gormanh@home.com
writes:

<< Michael, I'm still waiting for either you or Ed to tell us how many army
 divisions the Jews had when they "declared war" on Germany.... and how many
 battleships and tanks they had? >>

Herb, regardless of what the Jew did or didn't have They declared war on
Germany in March of 1933. I provided that information once, Go look in the
archives of this list.
Michael Snead
14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Jews-"Tay-Sachs-Disease"
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 17:07:49 -0600
From: Ed Kadach 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

MENTAL DISEASES

A terrible legacy has been haunting Khazar
jews for many centuries:

It is called the "Tay-Sachs-Disease". It  will
make their blood boil. The disease provides the
ultimate truth, that they are not related to
their semitic Israelite brothers, 'the Sephardim'
and never have been.  "Tay-Sachs-Disease",
also called "Familial Amaurotic Idiocy", is a
hereditary metabolic disorder causing
progressive mental and  neurologic
deterioration, resulting finally in death.
The disease is caused by a recessive genetic
trait and occurs most commonly among  people
of Eastern European Jewish origin.
It can be  detected by prenatal
testing.
        In the New York Times, a re-curing
advert can be found. The last issue
was on 12-1-1999:

ATTENTION: ASHKENASI JEWISH
FAMILIES

        Dr. Ann E. Pulver at the Johns Hopkins
        University conducts genetic studies on
        shizophrenia or shizzoaffective disorder
        and seeks Ashkenasi Jewish individuals
        who meet the following criteria:
        DIAGNOSED WITH   SHIZZO-
        AFFECTIVE DISORDER.
        If interested, please call Gail Ulrich
        Tollfree on 1-888-289-4095.

Bonn-Germany, which now tops-up its Jewish
population to pre-WW2  levels under the
holocaust precinct, appears to become the
medicare  provider for 1 in 3 mentally
debilitated hereditary patients.

The Columbia Encyclopedia describes the
"Tay-Sachs" disease as a common hereditary
disease, which is characterized by progressive
mental deterioration, blindness, epileptic
seizures, and subsequent  death. Caused by an
abnormality of fat metabolism inside nerve
cells,  it causes central nervous system
degeneration. The disease occurs  almost
exclusive among Jews of Eastern European
descent. There is no  treatment available.

The Rockefeller University has published a
comprehensive paper on "Tay-Sachs-Disease",
of which the following excerpts are taken:
" ...The disease is especially prevalent in
Ashkenazi Jews from Eastern Europe origin
and a carrier rate of 1 in 3 has been reported.
Four-base insertions in the hexo-minidase A
gene in Tay-Sachs-Disease,  is leading to a
frameshift mutation. This mutation is the major
cause  of Tay-Sachs disease in Ashkenazi Jews.
A mutation may be defined as a  permanent
change in the DNA. Mutations that affect the
germ cells are  transmitted to the progeny and
may give rise to inherited diseases."

Geneticists have stated that the cause of "Tay-
Sachs" disease had ist origin in "Inbreeding".
That explanation makes sense, since the
Eastern Aschkenasi Jews would not marry
outside the confinement of  their ghetto world.
Semitic Jews ( Sephardim ) and other people
are  scarcely affected by this disease, which has
only cursed and victimized the "converted
Eastern European Ashkenazim-Khazzar
so-called Jews".

The wealthy Rockefeller family like the Royal
English House ( formerly Battenberg - German
Jews - digermanized to Mountbatten and
changed to Windsor in 1917 at the height of the
battles at Paschendale ) have a particular
interest in Tay-Sachs-Disease, since some of
their  offspring were affected and had to be
placed in homes for mentally disabled.

For this reason, the German National Socialist
Party decreed the Nuremberg Laws in 1935, to
keep German nationals un-affected from
hereditary disease. This fact has been distorted
by the Jewish owned ESBIAN ( English
speaking background ) media. They used the
Nuremberg  Laws for discreditation stunts,
calling them race hate and racialism.
In fact demands for social or even sexual
interrelations with a hereditary diseased ethnic
group were considered unreasonable and out
of question. The main perpetrator of this media
push and stirrup  holder for bigger ones in USA
was UK. In contrary, UK did not accept a
single Ashkennasi refugee, fleeing from Czarist
Russia and seeking  asylum in Western Europe.
Refugee ships barred from their ports roamed
the oceans.

NUNC SCIO TENEBRIS LUX

Ed Kadach

"All truth passes through three stages. First,
it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
---Schopenhauer

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Subject: [13texan] Jews Are Not a Race!
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 17:10:24 -0600
From: Ed Kadach 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

The Jews Are Not a Race!
By Dr. Alfred M. Lilienthal

Dr. Alfred M. Lilienthal, historian, journalist and lecturer, is a
graduate of Cornell University and Columbia Law School.  During the
Second World War, he served with the US Army in the Middle East. He later
served with the Department of State, and as a consultant to the American
delegation at the organising meeting of the United Nations in San
Francisco.

Since 1947, he has been at the forefront in the struggle for a balanced
US policy in the Middle East. He is the author of several acclaimed books
on the Middle East, including The Zionist Connection. He now lives in
Washington, DC.

On December 18, 1993 Dr. Lilienthal celebrated both his 80th birthday and
the 40th anniversary of his first book, What Price ‘Israel’? Dr
Lilienthal, who is a courageous anti-Zionist Jew, was joined by more than
200 guests who travelled from all over the United States to attend. The
following excerpt is taken from this first book, What Price ‘Israel’?

Today, to trace anyone’s descent to ancient Palestine would be a
genealogical impossibility; and to presume, axiomatically, such a descent
for Jews, alone among all human groups, is an assumption of purely
fictional significance. Most everybody in the Western world could stake
out some claim of Palestinian descent if genealogical records could be
established for two-thousand years. And there are, indeed, people who,
though not by the widest stretch of imagination Jewish, proudly make that
very claim: some of the oldest of the South’s aristocratic families play
a game of comparing whose lineage goes farther back into ‘Israel’. No one
knows what happened to the Ten Lost Tribes of ‘Israel’, but to speculate
on who might be who is a favored Anglo-Saxon pastime, and Queen Victoria
belonged to an ‘Israelite’ Society that traced the ancestry of its
membership back to those lost tribes.

Twelve tribes started in Canaan about thirty-five centuries ago; and not
only that ten of them disappeared - more than half of the members of the
remaining two tribes never returned from their "exile" in Babylon. How
then, can anybody claim to descend directly from that relatively small
community which inhabited the Holy Land at the time of Abraham’s Covenant
with God?

The Jewish racial myth flows from the fact that the words Hebrew,
‘Israelite’, Jew, Judaism, and the Jewish people have been used
synonymously to suggest a historic continuity. But this is a misuse.
These words refer to different groups of people with varying ways of life
in different periods in history. Hebrew is a term correctly applied to
the period from the beginning of Biblical history to the settling in
Canaan. ‘Israelite’ refers correctly to the members of the twelve tribes
of ‘Israel’. The name Yehudi or Jew is used in the Old Testament to
designate members of the tribe of Judah, descendants of the fourth son of
Jacob, as well as to denote citizens of the Kingdom of Judah,
particularly at the time of Jeremiah and under the Persian occupation.
Centuries later, the same word came to be applied to anyone, no matter of
what origin, whose religion was Judaism.

The descriptive name Judaism was never heard by the Hebrews or
‘Israelites’; it appears only with Christianity. Flavius Josephus was one
of the first to use the name in his recital of the war with the Romans to
connote a totality of beliefs, moral commandments, religious practices
and ceremonial institutions of Galilee which he believed superior to
rival Hellenism. When the word Judaism was born, there was no longer a
Hebrew-‘Israelite’ state. The people who embraced the creed of Judaism
were already mixed of many races and strains; and this diversification
was rapidly growing…

Perhaps the most significant mass conversion to the Judaic faith occurred
in Europe, in the 8th century A.D., and that story of the Khazars
(Turko-Finnish people) is quite pertinent to the establishment of the
modern State of ‘Israel’. This partly nomadic people, probably related to
the Volga Bulgars, first appeared in Trans-Caucasia in the second
century. They settled in what is now Southern Russia, between the Volga
and the Don, and then spread to the shores of the Black, Caspian and Azov
seas. The Kingdom of Khazaria, ruled by a khagan or khakan fell to Attila
the Hun in 448, and to the Muslims in 737. In between, the Khazars ruled
over part of the Bulgarians, conquered the Crimea, and stretched their
kingdom over the Caucasus farther to the northwest to include Kiev, and
eastwards to Derbend. Annual tributes were levied on the Russian
Slavonians of Kiev. The city of Kiev was probably built by the Khazars.
There were Jews in the city and the surrounding area before the Russian
Empire was founded by the Varangians whom the Scandinavian warriors
sometimes called the Russ or Ross (circa 855-863).

The influence of the Khazars extended into what is now Hungary and
Roumania. Today, the villages of Kozarvar and Kozard in Transylvania bear
testimony to the penetration of the Khazars who, with the Magyars, then
proceeded into present-day Hungary. The size and power of the Kingdom of
Khazaria is indicated by the act that it sent an army of 40,000 soldiers
(in 626-627) to help Heraclius of the Byzantines to conquer the Persians.
The Jewish Encyclopedia proudly refers to Khazaria as having had a "well
constituted and tolerant government, a flourishing trade and a well
disciplined army."

Jews who had been banished from Constantinople by the Byzantine ruler,
Leo III, found a home amongst these heretofore pagan Khazars and, in
competition with Mohammedan and Christian missionaries, won them over to
the Judaic faith. Bulan, the ruler of Khazaria, became converted to
Judaism around 740 A.D. His nobles and, somewhat later, his people
followed suit. Some details of these events are contained in letters
exchanged between Khagan Joseph of Khazaria and R. Hasdai Ibn Shaprut of
Cordova, doctor and quasi foreign minister to Sultan Abd al-Rahman, the
Caliph of Spain. This correspondence (around 936-950) was first published
in 1577 to prove that the Jews still had a country of their own—namely,
the Kingdom of Khazaria. Judah Halevi knew of the letters even in 1140.
Their authenticity has since been established beyond doubt.

According to these Hasdai-Joseph letters, Khagan Bulan decided one day:
"Paganism is useless. It is shameful for us to be pagans. Let us adopt
one of the heavenly religions, Christianity, Judaism or Islam." And Bulan
summoned three priests representing the three religions and had them
dispute their creeds before him. But, no priest could convince the
others, or the sovereign, that his religion was the best. So the ruler
spoke to each of them separately. He asked the Christian priest: "If you
were not a Christian or had to give up Christianity, which would you
prefer—Islam or Judaism?" The priest said: "If I were to give up
Christianity, I would become a Jew." Bulan then asked the follower of
Islam the same question, and the Moslem also chose Judaism. This is how
Bulan came to choose Judaism for himself and the people of Khazaria in
the seventh century A.D., and thereafter the Khazars (sometimes spelled
Chazars and Khozars) lived according to Judaic laws.

Under the rule of Obadiah, Judaism gained further strength in Khazaria.
Synagogues and schools were built to give instruction in the Bible and
the Talmud. As Professor Graetz notes in his History of the Jews, "A
successor of Bulan who bore the Hebrew name of Obadiah was the first to
make serious efforts to further the Jewish religion. He invited Jewish
sages to settle in his dominions, rewarded them royally... and introduced
a divine service modeled on the ancient communities. After Obadiah came a
long series of Jewish Chagans (Khagans), for according to a fundamental
law of the state only Jewish rulers were permitted to ascend the throne."
Khazar traders brought not only silks and carpets of Persia and the Near
East but also their Judaic faith to the banks of the Vistula and the
Volga. But the Kingdom of Khazaria was invaded by the Russians, and Itil,
its great capital, fell to Sweatoslav of Kiev in 969. The Byzantines had
become afraid and envious of the Khazars and, in a joint expedition with
the Russians, conquered the Crimean portion of Khazaria in 1016. (Crimea
was known as "Chazaria" until the 13th century). The Khazarian Jews were
scattered throughout what is now Russia and Eastern Europe. Some were
taken North where they joined the established Jewish community of Kiev.

Others returned to the Caucasus. Many Khazars remarried in the Crimea and
in Hungary. The Cagh Chafut, or "mountain Jews," in the Caucasus and the
Hebraile Jews of Georgia are their descendants. These "Ashkenazim Jews"
(as Jews of Eastern Europe are called), whose numbers were swelled by
Jews who fled from Germany at the time of the Crusades and during the
Black Death, have little or no trace of Semitic blood.

That the Khazars are the lineal ancestors of Eastern European Jewry is a
historical fact. Jewish historians and religious text books acknowledge
the fact, though the propagandists of Jewish nationalism belittle it as
pro-Arab propaganda. Somewhat ironically, Volume IV of the Jewish
Encyclopedia—because this publication spells Khazars with a "C" instead
of a "K"—is titled "Chazars to Dreyfus": and it was the Dreyfus trial, as
interpreted by Theodor Herzl, that made the modern Jewish Khazars of
Russia forget their descent from converts to Judaism and accept
anti-Semitism as proof of their Palestinian origin.

For all that anthropologists know, Hitler’s ancestry might go back to one
of the ten Lost Tribes of ‘Israel’; while Weizmann may be a descendant of
the Khazars, the converts to Judaism who were in no anthropological
respect related to Palestine. The home to which Weizmann, Silver and so
many other Ashkenazim Zionists have yearned to return has most likely
never been theirs. "Here’s a paradox, a paradox, a most ingenious
paradox": in anthropological fact, many Christians may have much more
Hebrew-‘Israelite’ blood in their veins than most of their Jewish
neighbors.

NUNC SCIO TENEBRIS LUX

Ed Kadach

"All truth passes through three stages. First,
it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
---Schopenhauer

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Hans Stark - Nazis Testify to Gassing At Auschwitz
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:19:34 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

In a message dated 9/9/99 4:45:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gormanh@home.com
writes:

<< Could you perhaps (while you're getting the evidence of the size of the
"World
 Jewish Navy" and "World Jewish Ari Force," and proving that everyone who
 testified at Nuremberg was tortured...) back up your concise and probing
 commentary with some, ah, evidence?
Herb, If you are so articulate in your reading you will see that I said that
"the Jews declared war on Germany on March 24, 1933" You brought up the fact
that that they had now ships or planes.....just ignorance on the Jews part to
pick on someone bigger than they are. So the planes and the boats, ships and
tanks, trains and buses are irrelevant to this fact....THE JEWS DECLARED WAR
ON GERMANY ON MARCH 24, 1933.........


 What evidence, for instance, can you provide us to demonstrate that the
Nazis did
 not use Zyklon B to gas people, Michael?
  >>

Well Herb, I have the evidence and I will be sending it sometime tonight or
tomorrow...it is a lot of information and will take a while to get it
together and put it to words.

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Subject: [13texan] Chronic Expulsion Of jews
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 18:38:18 -0600
From: Ed Kadach 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

The Chronic Expulsion Of jews

A history of the jews chronic expulsion begs the question, why?

The expulsions of jews from Host Nations: 1). A.D. 250, Carthage; 2). 415,
Alexandria; 3). 554, Diocese of Clement (France); 4).561, Diocese of Uzzes
(France); 5). 612, Visigoth Spain; 6). 642, Visigoth Empire; 7). 855,
Italy; 8). 876, Sens; 9). 1012, Mayence; 10). 1181, France; 11). 1290,
England; 12). 1306, France; 13). 1348, Switzerland; 14). 1349, Hielbronn
(Germany);
15). 1349, Hungary; 16). 1388, Strasbourg; 17). 1394, Germany;
18). 1394, France; 19). 1422, Austria; 20). 1424, Fribourg & Zurich;
21). 1426, Cologne; 22). 1432, Savory; 23). 1438, Mainz; 24). 1439,
Augsburg; 25). 1446, Bavaria; 26). 1453, Franconis; 27). 1453, Breslau;
28). 1454, Wurzburg; 29). 1485, Vincenza (Italy); 30). 1492, Spain; 31).
1495, Lithuania; 32). 1497, Portugal; 33). 1499, Germany; 34). 1514,
Strasbourg; 35). 1519, Regensburg; 36). 1540, Naples; 37). 1542, Bohemia;
38). 1550,
Genoa; 39). 1551, Bavaria; 40). 1555, Pesaro; 41). 1559, Austria; 42). 1561,
Prague; 43). 1567, Wurzburg, Genoese Republic; 44). 1569, Papal States;
45). 1571, Brandenburg; 46). 1582, Netherlands; 47). 1593, Brandenburg,
Austria; 48). 1597, Cremona, Pavia & Lodi; 49). 1614, Frankfort; 50). 1615,
Worms; 51). 1619, Kiev; 52). 1649, Ukraine; 53). 1654, LittleRussia; 54).
1656, Lithuania; 55). 1669, Oran (North Africa); 56). 1670, Vienna; 57).
1712, Sandomir; 58). 1727, Russia; 59). 1738, Wurtemburg; 60). 1740,
LittleRussia; 61). 1744, Bohemia; 62). 1744, Livonia; 63). 1745, Moravia;
64). 1753, Kovad (Lithuania); 65). 1761, Bordeaux; 66). 1772, Jews deported
to the Pale of Settlement
(Russia); 67). 1775, Warsaw; 68). 1789, Alace; 69). 1804, Villages in
Russia; 70). 1808, Villages & Countrysides (Russia); 71). 1815, Lubeck &
Bremen; 72). 1815, Franconia, Swabia & Bavaria; 73). 1820, Bremes; 74). 1843,
Russian Border Austria & Prussia; 75). 1862, Area in the U.S. under Grant's
Jurisdiction; 76). 1866, Galatz, Romania; 77). 1919, Bavaria (foreign born
Jews); 78). 1938- 45, Nazi Controlled Areas; 79). 1948, Arab Countries.

Source: International Jewish Encyclopedia


The degrading fate of those who mock the wise becomes horribly
apparent in the actual text of the Talmud.  "He said: What is your
punishment? They replied with boiling hot excrement, since a Master has
said: Whoever mocks at the words of the Sages is punished with boiling hot
excrement." (Git. 56b)

Thrown Out: jews have claimed over and over at every opportunity that they
have been innocent victims of anti-semitism time and
time again. They are always portrayed on television and in the
movies as being guilty of no wrong doing, desiring only to
practice their anti-christ faith, and make an honest living. An
inquiring mind cannot help but wonder that, if this is the case - that
the jews are innocent - why have the jews been the brunt of persecution
so many times without cause?

If a man were accused of a serious crime and tried and found
guilty by a jury of his peers, we would find but little cause to put
faith in a claim by him of persecution. However if he insisted that
this was exactly the case, and that only because he believed
differently than others was he charged of misconduct, then we might
grant him a second trial to assure ourselves he had not been
the victim of misjustice, believing with confidence that the people
would not a second time find an innocent party guilty of crime that
he did not commit.

If, at the conclusion of the second trial by another jury of peers,
the man is found guilty of an offense against the people, we have no
reason to listen to or place belief in continued cries of persecution.
What does this have to do with the jew? Quite simple this!
Since the year 250 A.D., the jews have, by their own records and count,
been expelled from eighty-one (81) countries, nations, or entities.
Let's see now. Eighty-one countries, eighty-one people's courts, eighty-one
guilty verdicts, and eighty-one cries of persecution.

The first time, maybe. The second time doubtful. But eighty-one times
to have been found worthy of expulsion for crimes against the people of
the countries they were in at the time? Such a claim stretches the limits
of human credulity beyond its most liberal bounds of endurance.

It has been said that the jews protest to much. When one comes
to the realization of the fact that these different peoples in
most cases did not know of each other, or for that matter had not
even heard of the others existence, and yet determined, independently,
over a two thousand year span of that time the jews were committing such
serious crimes that it was necessessary to remove them lock, stock and
bagel in order to drive them from their homes, many times with loss of
life and great destruction of property, it is then and only then, that
a true appreciation of the jewish question is obtained.

NUNC SCIO TENEBRIS LUX

Ed Kadach

"All truth passes through three stages. First,
it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
---Schopenhauer

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Subject: [13texan] Fwd: PROG. INFO.- Khazar University, Baku, Azerbaijan
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 18:11:51 PDT
From: "- Herodotus -" 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com, Joan_of_Arc15@hotmail.com, Aryan_Blonde@hotmail.com,
     posse@Penn.com, silencer20@hotmail.com

        I got this today- did anyone of you know there was a _Kahzar_University_?
>>From: Khazar University 
>>Reply-To: Khazar University 
>>To: CentralAsia-L@fas.harvard.edu
>>Subject: PROG. INFO.- Khazar University, Baku, Azerbaijan
>>Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:43:14 -0400 (EDT)
>>
>>A distribution of: CentralAsia-L - Announcement List for Central Asian
>>Studies
>>
>>
>>PROGRAM INFO.- Khazar University, Baku, Azerbaijan
>>
>>[Source: CIVILSOC]
>>
>>Khazar University is a leading academic institution of Azerbaijan.
>>Established in 1991 in the capital city Baku, it became the first ever
>>private university of the CIS countries. Khazar is a research-oriented
>>university with strong, innovative academic programs geared towards
>>upbringing a generation of leaders for a new democratic, open model of
>>society and the emerging market economy.  As Azerbaijan's broadening
>>integration into the world economy places an increasing demand for
>>English-speaking professionals, Khazar University provides education
>>predominantly in English in order to satisfy this demand.  The degree to
>>which English is used at Khazar creates a comfortable communication
>>environment for international professors and students.
>>
>>With its outstanding faculty and dedicated students, Khazar University
>>envisions its mission as creating a better future for Azerbaijan by
>>contributing into advances in science and increasing the nation's
>>intellectual capital.
>>
>>Organization Type: Education
>>
>>Founded: 1991
>>
>>Staff: 200 faculty; 150 staff (50 full -100 part)
>>
>>International Partner(s): University of California, Los Angeles, USA;
>>Purdue University, USA, Georgia State University, USA; Nottingham Trent
>>University, UK; Haarlem Business School, Netherlands; other
>>
>>Khazar University
>>E-mail: contact@khazar.org
>>11 Mehseti St.
>>Baku, 370096
>>Azerbaijan
>>Tel: + 994 12 217927
>>Fax: + 994 12 989379
>>URL: http://www.khazar.org
>>Contact: Mr. Ramin Aliyev, Head of the University Development Center

Yours in Christ, Chris
***********************************
"'...The house of Jacob will be a fire and the house of
Joseph a flame; the house of Esau will be stubble, and they
will set it on fire and consume it.  There will be no
survivors from the house of Esau.'  The Lord has spoken."
Obadiah 18

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Subject: [13texan] Racism and Israel
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:02:54 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

9/9/99

DISCRIMINATION ON THE BASIS OF RACE, CREED OR COLOR is such an abhorence to
Western democratic principles that we codify it as a crime on its face. We
don't tolerate it in the United States, and we pretend not to tolerate it in
those nations we favor with our business and our security interests. After a
long struggle, South Africa, for example, is now in the official United
States dog house because of it. So many of us have been victims of racial
and/or religious discrimination for so long, moreover, that we are normally
quick to recognize or at least suspect the practice the instant it rears its
ugly head.

In the case of Israel, however, we not only laud and reward acts of racial
and religious discrimination, we fail or refuse to recognize it altogether.

Most of us understand Israel as the "homeland of the Jews." Most of us
understand Israel to be a state administered by and for the benefit of Jews.
But what constitutes a Jew? Is it race, religion, or both? Must one be born a
Jew? Can one convert to Judasim? Can conversion make one a Jew? Whatever the
answers to these questions, the fact remains that Israel is administered by
and for the benefit of Jews, whoever they may be and wherever they may have
been born.

Most of the people born in the land now known as the state of Israel call
themselves Palestinians. As a rule, Palestinians are at least as Semitic as
the most "genetically pure" Jew—whatever that is. Many Palestinians and Jews
pysically resemble one another. Most Palestinians are Moslem. Many are
Christian. Very few Palestinians are Jews. For a Jew in Israel, even a
Palestinian Jew, is entitled to Israeli citizenship; and life as an Israeli
citizen in Israel is ever so much more pleasant than life for a Palestinian
non-citizen in the land of his or her birth.

There is an exception for approximately 120,000 Palestinians living with
Israeli citizenship within what is known as the 1948 Israeli borders. They
have all the theoretical rights of an Israeli Jew with one exception: they
may not own land in most (98%) of the state. Also, their identity cards mark
them as non-Jews (but not as "Palestinian," for mention of that word is
literally a crime in Israel)and, as a practical matter, they suffer all the
discrimination common to minorities anywhere else in the world. For all of
this, however, life for an Israeli citizen, even a second class Palestinian
Israeli citizen, is relatively secure and democratic.

For the approximately 800,000 Palestinians living in the Israeli "Occupied
Territories" (the West Bank of the Jordan River, the Gaza Strip, Jerusalem
and the Golan Heights), life is a daily struggle for survival. These people
have no citizenship, no rights, no security, and nowhere to turn. Many of
them have been Israeli prisoners, and all of them have relatives currently in
Israeli prisons where torture is commonplace. They may labor for Israeli
employers but may not enjoy the benefits of Israeli citizen workers. They may
work within the 1948 borders but must sleep within their own Israeli-imposed
ghettos. At any time, without any judicial recourse, they may be expelled
from the land of their birth as hundreds of thousands before them have been;
they may be denied the shelter of their homes or the use of their waterwells,
fruitstands or fields - all because they are not Jews.

Race and religion is one aspect of this nightmare. Land is another. Since
1967, more than half of the best Palestinian land in the Occupied Territories
has been expropriated for the benefit of a shrinking Israeli-Jewish
population. Daily these expropriations continue without any judicial recourse
whatsoever, while a burgeoning Palestin-ian population must survive with less
land and fewer resources.

Demographics is another element. More Jews leave Israel than are replaced by
immigration or births. At the same time, despite the daily expulsions and
high infant mortality, Palestinians in the Occupied Territories have the
highest birthrate in the world. Demographers project Palestinians within the
Occupied Territories to out-number Israeli Jews by the year 2010 - a
projection of considerable concern to administrators of the exclusivist
theocratic state.

Military occupation of a population nearly as large as one's own is an
expensive proposition - in this case well over one billion dollars per year.
Here comes the reward for racial and religious discrimination, from our own
pockets. United States taxpayers provide Israel in direct grants, forgiven
loans, trade, manufacturing and patent arrangements, more than five billion
dollars per year. To date, that aid amounts to more than $38 billion, and
much of it has gone to fund the occupation of Palestinians for more than the
past twenty years.

The United States Congress - with the quisling consent of the Black Caucus -
has even rewarded Israel with exemptions from sanctions against trading with
apartheid South Africa.

Why all this for Israel? Israel does a good job of caretaking
multi-national/American corporate interests in the Middle East. It does a
good job of arming and advising fascist and apartheid regimes throughout the
world, particularly when it is embarrassing or in-convenient for Americans to
do so. It does a good job of opposing liberation struggles throughout the
world. But it does an even better job of directing funding and propaganda for
key American political races in this country. Every key American
Congressperson, Senator and President owes his or her incumbency to the
influence and/or funding of very well organized American Zionists, sometimes
known as "the Israeli lobby." That is why even black members of Congress have
voted to allow Israel to trade with South Africa unimpeded by sanctions
imposed upon other such trading nations—they are the best Congresspeople
Zionist money can buy.

For the committed Zionist (one who supports an exclusivist Jewish state) the
security of Israel is paramount—no matter what it costs, no matter at whose
expense. The committed Zionist may be intimately familiar with hundreds of
thousands of atrocities suffered by Palestinian at the hands of Israelis. The
committed Zionist (who is often "liberal" and progressive on most other
issues) may be geninuely aggrieved by those atrocities and genuinely yearn
for justice for the Palestinians. The committed Zionist may even foresee
World War III arising from the actions of the Israeli state. But it makes no
difference. To the committed Zionist, no resolution is acceptable that may
conceivably lessen the security of the state of Israel. Thus committed
Zionists support politicians who are opposed to them on every issue save
this.

But the typical committed Zionist will not see the atrocities, will not feel
concern for those oppressed, will not yearn for justice, will not see any
dire consequences arising from blind support for Israel. The committed
Zionist will not see beyond "need" for a "homeland" in which he or she never
expects to reside. And to the committed Zionist, every critic of Israel is
necessarily anti-Semitic—that explains it all!

The rest of us Americans must ask ourselves hard questions about the
"forbidden topic." Does Israel really serve the interests of American
citizens, American corporations, or even its own? Does Israel use our
aid—amounting to more than $1,900 per Israeli citizen per year—for defense or
for aggression and oppression? Is that aid, regardless its purpose, not more
needed in our own deteriorating communities? Is Israeli influence on our body
politic so tenacious that not even the Black Caucus dare impose sanctions
against Israel for trading with South Africa?

Aid to Israel means aid to racism and religious discrimination. It means aid
to virtually every facist element on the globe. It means denial of life,
liberty and homeland to five million Palestinians in diaspora. It means
Armageddon is preferable to justice.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Jews-"Tay-Sachs-Disease"
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 21:04:31 -0600
From: Ed Kadach 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

At 10:06 AM 9/10/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Ed Kadach wrote:
>>
>> MENTAL DISEASES
>>
>
>The KKKadach family has long been afflicted by a strange malady.  All
>the males are idiots, distinguishable by their overly large heads and
>the drool that issues from their lips.
>
>Steve

So sorry I haven't been paying any attention to your posts Steve.
I didn't realize they were from that nice fella from the ng's.
Evidently you are a parrot much like Mathews. The two of you parrot
the style of others that post to alt.revisionism. You, Steve Wolk
parrot Jeffrey G. Brown's of addressing me as KKK and Mathews has
pirated Deppity Bob's 'regards to a racist'.
So Wolk, welcome to the list but leave your jewish rhetoric for the
'exterminationists' on alt.revisionism.

Warmest regards,

Ed Kadach

"All truth passes through three stages. First,
it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
---Schopenhauer

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Subject: [13texan] Re: The Ritual Murder that Still Resounds
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 21:10:07 -0600
From: Ed Kadach 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

At 02:30 PM 9/9/99 EDT, you wrote:
>YOU MEAN THEY"RE NOT!!!!  %#$^%%$^%#%$@$#!%^^*)*&%%$@$#!@

Of course they are!! The hollow earth theory is as much of a fact as the
holohoax is.

Ed

>Sneadster@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 9/9/99 9:00:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
philnancy@aol.com
>writes:
>
><< Kadach wrote:
>
> Eddie probably also believes in Ernst Zundel's fable about UFO's and
> some Nazis hiding out in the North Pole!
>
> Philip Mathews

"All truth passes through three stages. First,
it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
---Schopenhauer

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Jews Forced America Into World War II
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 21:14:03 -0600
From: Ed Kadach 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

At 12:40 PM 9/9/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Ed Kadach wrote:
>
>             (widdle Eddie's usual anti-semitic tripe snipped)
>
>
>Oh, Eddie!  The orderlies are looking for you.
>
>Steve

You've done it again Wolk. You've parroted Jeffrey G. Brown once
again. Only Jeffrey calls me 'widdle'. Shame on you!

Take care,

Ed Kadach

"All truth passes through three stages. First,
it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
---Schopenhauer

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Chronic Expulsion Of jews
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:14:15 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

In a message dated 9/9/99 10:12:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sjw2428@erols.com writes:

<< Because all through history, there have been idiot two-bit anti-semites
 like widdle Eddie ready and willing to persecute minorities.

 Steve >>

Steve, If the Jews were such a wonderful group of cultists why would all of
these countries ran them out. You have to ask yourself, could ALL of those
countries be
wrong?  It is shallow minded for you to think that. If the Jews weren't so
anti-Christian, anti moslem, and ect.  the  hatred (self-induced) of the Jews
wouldn't be world wide and so rhadamanthine
Michael Snead
14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Jews-"Tay-Sachs-Disease"
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:20:49 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

In a message dated 9/9/99 10:10:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sjw2428@erols.com writes:

<< Ed Kadach wrote:
 >
 > MENTAL DISEASES
 >

 The KKKadach family has long been afflicted by a strange malady.  All
 the males are idiots, distinguishable by their overly large heads and
 the drool that issues from their lips.

 Steve
  >>

THIS IN JUST TODAY........It has been scientifically proven that the Pinocio
syndrome is not just a myth. The scientist have proven that when one tells a
lie that an adrenaline rush takes place that sets off a hormone that causes
the nose to actually grow.  That explains why the Jews are centuries into the
lying business.
Michael Snead
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Subject: [13texan] Why Jews are Communists: by McCalden
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 21:47:02 -0600
From: Ed Kadach 
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Why Jews are Communists
By David McCalden

In a fascinating, detailed, article in The Journal of Psychohistory, Fall
1978, Psychohistorian Stanley Rothman provides a useful summary of Jewish
involvement with Communism throughout the western World in "Group
Fantasies and Jewish Radicalism". He writes:

"In the inter-war years this role was probably most visible in the
countries of Eastern Europe, where Jews were prominent in Bela Kuhn’s
abortive attempt to set up a Communist regime in Hungary and where they
came to constitute over 40% of the cadres of the Polish Communist Party,
and probably comparable percentages elsewhere. In Hungary, immediately
after the Communist Party’s accession to power, the Politburo of the
party contained only one non-Jew. It was jokingly suggested that this
‘Goy’ had been admitted to the inner circles only because someone was
needed to sign decrees on Saturdays.

"In Germany the situation was rather different. Jews played a very
important role in the revolutionary Spartacist Movement of 1918-1919.
However … radical Jewish Intellectuals remained largely unaffiliated,
serving as unattached (often bitter) radical critics of the Weimar
Republic. The Frankfurt School which produced Adorn, Fromm, Marcuse,
Horkheimer and others was almost entirely Jewish.

"In the United States, perhaps some 50% of the Communist Party was of
Jewish background during the 1930s; the radical American Student Union
was heavily Jewish and, just as importantly, the Soviet espionage
apparatus in this country … was pretty largely of Jewish background.

"In Western Europe … Jews continued to take an active radical role. In
France, during the 1968 upheavals, students of Jewish background
dominated Trotskyite leadership cadres.

"Jews provided the critical mass for the student left and the counter
culture in the United States during the early and mid-1960s. Studies
indicate that in its initial phases, SDS leadership was about 67%
Jewish."

Rothman goes on to show how Jewish radicals even "ran the show" at
mid-Western campuses. One (Gentile) SDS Organizer at Madison, Wisconsin,
commented:

"I am struck by the lack of Wisconsin-born people (in the left) and the
massive preponderance of New York Jews. The situation at the University
of Minnesota is similar."

In the faculties too, the radical factions were "largely Jewish".

In another article aimed at cognoscenti (American Jewish Historical
Quarterly, December 1976) Arthur Liebman shows in "The Ties That Bind":

"The members and particularly the officers of the left organizations were
predominantly Jewish … Andre Schiffrin, President of SLID in 1956-57, and
himself of Jewish background, was very cognizant of the ‘foreign element’
within SLID. ‘For a while, all our national officers, myself included,
were ‘foreign born’ and the militant rhetoric within the organization was
‘usually voiced in a heavy Yiddish accent’. Others noted the frequent
usage of Yiddish expressions among the members. Another indication of the
large Jewish component was the care taken to ensure that regional and
national conventions of these left non-sectarian groups would not
coincide with important Jewish holidays. No such attention was paid to
Christian holidays and on one occasion a Protestant minister was sharply
critical of SLID for scheduling a meeting on Good Friday."

Indeed, Liebman shows that Jews have regarded Communism as an extension
of Judaism for many years.

"The Jewish Daily Forward (a Yiddish socialist newspaper) to a large
extent surpassed the rabbis and Orthodoxy as the educator of the Jewish
community in the United States … The more astute and sensitive Jewish
Socialists in the pre-World War I years … sought opportunities to
demonstrate that Judaism, as they defined and interpreted it, was quite
compatible if not supportive of Socialism. Socialism was presented to the
Jewish masses as a secular version of Judaism. Thus, during a strike, the
Law of Moses was cited in support of the strikers. The Socialist Party’s
Rand School was lyricized by the Forward at its founding in 1906 as ‘the
socialist’ yeshiva … where the rabbis and teachers of our movement were
being prepared’.

"In their curriculum, these schools emphasized the inter-relatedness
between Jewish and radical concerns. The progressive aspects of Judaism
were stressed: for example in the case of the Jewish New Year, Rosh
Hashanah:

"’The traditional blowing of the shofar was the clarion to rally for
liberation of the Jewish people from oppressors … the shofar blowing for
the laboring masses will drown out the trumpeting of the temporary ruling
interests of the earth.’

"The accomplishments of these schools were summarized in an editorial in
Jewish Life, a magazine with close ties to them, in the following manner:

" ‘The schools develop in the children a kinship with Jewish and
non-Jewish laboring masses and with the history and progressive culture
and traditions of the Jewish people. The children acquire an elementary
knowledge of Yiddish. They are taught to identify their interest with
those of the Negro people and other oppressed groups.’ "

At this point we could enter into a tedious cataloging of names (and
pseudonyms) of Communist leaders throughout the 20th century who
"happened to be Jewish". Certainly such a roll-call would be useful for
archival purposes, but it would undoubtedly be a boring and unnecessary
chore for the reader. Such lists are already available in the British
samizdat publication mischievously titled Let My People Go! and in the
American: Behind Communism. But our purpose is not to go over again
ground which has already been firmly established. Even our two Jewish
writers cited above implicitly acknowledge the aphorism that Communism
is, was, and probably always will be, Jewish. Our aim is to explore
behind the pages of history; to read between the lines; to analyze and
ask why. Why are Jews radicals?

Rothman writes that:

"Jerry Rubin ascribes his own radicalism to being Jewish, and finds that
Cohn-Bendit shares the same feelings. It is clear, too, that his primary
hostility is toward Christianity, ‘telling Pat Boone that Christianity
has murdered more people than any other ism in the history of the World.’
Roger Kahn, writing about the Columbia conflict, keeps remembering how
badly Jews were treated by the WASP establishment, and Paul Cowan is
convinced, from his experiences at Choate, that the WASPS are all
anti-Semitic racists as Teitelbaum has shown, Jews anxious to deny their
Jewishness (those who feel marginal) are more likely to perceive
Christians as anti-Semitic than those who continue to identify as Jews."

Rothman argues that "Jewish radicalism (as well as Zionism) stems from
the historically marginal position of Jews in Christian societies and to
the family structure and personality patterns derived from that
marginality. Jews have developed a particular set of perceptions and
underlying motivations which can be described as a group fantasy."

It may well be that Jews are marginal in western society in terms of
religion, culture, lifestyle etc. But they are certainly less marginal
than, say, the Orientals so one wonders why Orientals are not more
radical than the Jews.

Rothman’s subsidiary point is more interesting. He suggests that Jews,
perceiving themselves as being surrounded by a hostile, threatening host
society, are too few in number to openly display hostility back. So
instead they channel their hostility and aggression toward their own
families (hence the "emasculating" Jewish mother) and into occupations
which allow for much indirect (verbal) aggression. But as Rothman admits
"Good studies of ‘Jewish Personality Traits’ are few in number for a
variety of reasons, not the least of which is, as Sanua points out, that
scholars have tended to avoid the subject." (No mention of why, of
course.) Rothman goes on:

"It is arguable that the European Diaspora and the ghetto experience
encouraged among Jews the emergence of a particular family pattern; a
pattern characterized by mothers who were ‘protective’ and controlling,
especially with their male children. It was not enough to teach such
children to curb the direct expression of aggression against the
Christian enemy, for under such circumstances control might be lost in a
crisis situation. Rather, aggression must be driven underground by
appropriate child-rearing practices.

"The institutionalization of this pattern was to have profound effects
upon both Jewish males and Jewish females, effects which have been
alluded to in part and are spelled out in some detail by Bibring and
Wolfenstein. The Jewish family became, in Bibring’s terms, a kind of
matriarchy in which the husband was perceived by the children as more
fearful, less capable, and weaker than the wife who cared for and
somewhat dominated him in crucial areas, whatever his professional and/or
business achievements."

He goes on:

"Herbert Krugman, in a study of ex-Communists, found that middle-class
members of the Party (mostly Jews) placed far more stress on the need for
‘hardness’ than did working-class members of the Party who were less
likely to be Jewish. Krugman studied in greatest depth the case reports
by analysts of 10 men and 8 women. Five of the men evidenced strong
wishes to submit and ‘some slight evidence of overt, passive
homosexuality’ during adolescence. The therapists described them as
sado-masochistic, turning such aggression onto themselves. Their
self-images varied between extremes—from worthlessness to superiority—and
with many there was an attitude of martyrdom, a ‘bittersweet’
anticipation of revenge …

"Many Jewish males, then, seemed to have a character structure classified
by Jules Nydes as ‘paranoid masochistic’… The following represents a
summary of Nydes’ formulation:

Sadistic
1. Identifies with the aggressor.
2. Hostility is reactive and compensatory.
3. Effect of rage is accompanied by a sense of malicious triumph and
release is experienced as effect is discharged.
4. The motive for aggression is to hurt someone who seems unable to fight
back, and the effect is often intimidation of the victims.

Paranoid-Masochistic
1. Identifies with the victim in the sense that he is being persecuted.
2. Hostility is defensive against anticipated attack because of
unconscious feeling of guilt.
3. Effect of rage is accompanied by self-righteousness and often leads to
mounting fury rather than relief.
4. The apparent motive for aggression is to avoid being hurt by
counter-attacking an assumed aggressor. The effect is often to provoke
punishment—gratification of a repressed wish—and a reality confirmation
of preconceived persecution.

Rothman cites several profound examples of this exclusively Jewish
phenomenon. He quotes from an interview with a Jewish ex-Weatherman who
recalls the motivations of himself and his peers in the 1960s:

"A lot of the Weatherman leadership was Jewish and had never been tough
street kids, and I really believe that a tremendous amount of what they
were doing was overcoming their own fears about their masculinity … Most
of them … had been intellectually aggressive, but all of a sudden they
were trying to be tough street kids … I think there was a lot of
self-hate going on."

Rothman even draws on fictional, though highly accurate, caricature, such
as Philip Roth’s highly personal Portnoy in Portnoy’s Complaint.

"Portnoy, of course, is only a quasi-radical but, whatever he would like
to think his real motives are, his tirade to the analyst makes it quite
clear that his love for suffering humanity is far less important than his
envy and hatred of WASPS and his desire to literally ‘screw’ the ‘goyim’,
despite the fact that he despises his parents for their ‘anti-goyish’
attitudes. As he puts it:

"’I was on the staff of the house sub-committee investigating the
television quiz scandals. Perfect for the closet socialist like myself;
commercial deceit on a national scale, exploitation of the innocent
public, elaborate corporate chicanery—in short good old capitalist greed.
And then of course that extra bonus, Charles Van Doren. Such character,
such brains, such breeding, that candor and school boyish charm—that WASP
wouldn’t you say? And, turns out he’s a fake. Well, what do you know
about that, Gentile America? Super-goy, a ‘gonif’! Steals money …
Goodness, gracious me, almost as bad as Jews—you sanctimonious WASPS!

"’Yes, I was one happy Yiddle down there in Washington, a little Stern
gang on my own, busily exploding Charlie’s honor and integrity, while
simultaneously becoming lover to the aristocratic Yankee beauty whose
forebears arrived on these shores in the seventeenth century.’

"The situation is not quite so simple, for, as the quotation indicates,
Portnoy also wants to become one of these strong, blond, ‘goyim’ who own
America and whose brothers are ‘the engaging, good-natured, confident,
clean, swift and powerful halfbacks for the college football teams’. His
unconscious hope is that he can somehow become a Goy by sleeping with the
‘shikses’."

There is much truth in Rothman’s analysis. Jewish bourgeois Communism is
not just a bunch of Jewish Capitalists suddenly discovering a more
profitable venture—State Capitalism. It is also a symptom of the eternal
Jewish neurosis; the envy of all things goyish that in turn becomes
hatred of all things goyish. Portnoy caricatures for us the eternal Jew:
he would like nothing better than to have blue blood flowing through his
veins, and by sleeping with the shikse he hopes that some of her blond,
aristocratic ways will rub off on him. But when nothing much seems to
change, and Portnoy stays pretty much the same little Yiddle he started
off, then his envy turns to hate, and his sleeping-with becomes
"screwing". We are immediately reminded of Eldridge Cleaver’s Soul on Ice
where he tells us that he raped White women in order to get his own back
on Whitey. We also observe the extraordinary disproportion in
inter-racial rapes (both male-female and male-male) which are almost 100%
Black against White.

Can it be that "Marxism" is no more than an expression of Jewish
self-hate redirected against the rest of us?

"All truth passes through three stages. First,
it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
---Schopenhauer

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Subject: [13texan] The Holocau$t: by McCalden
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 21:49:41 -0600
From: Ed Kadach 
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The Holocaust
By David McCalden

One of the most telling cases of "survivor fantasy" is that of Kitty
Hart, whose experiences as an inmate were described in the Yorkshire
Television program Kitty: Return to Auschwitz shown on British television
in November 1979, and on American PBS stations a year later. The TV
dialog with her son at the remains of Auschwitz went like this:

"Kitty: ‘If you didn’t have your bowl, you didn’t have your soup. If you
didn’t have your bowl, you didn’t have your toilet, because your bowl was
your toilet! You understand?’

"Son: ‘How did you wash the bowl out…

"Kitty: ‘You didn’t!’

"Son: ‘…before you ate?’

"Kitty: ‘I mean you didn’t! You didn’t! You didn’t wash it out. That was
… that was your life … your bowl. My bowl. It was red."

Later:

"Now, I know, David you’re seeing grass but I don’t see any grass. I see
mud. A sea of mud and, believe me, if there was one blade of grass, you
know what would have happened? You’d have eaten it!"

Then, just a little while later we find Kitty lying on a complete lawn of
grass, this time seemingly resisting the impulse to start grazing:

"It was a glorious summer … so during the day … I sat here, on this lawn,
sunbathing … we were laughing and joking … I was lying here and I was
watching the crematoria over there. You saw the SS men, the extermination
squad that did the actual killing, you know, the actual gassing. So,
somewhere there was a ladder. You could see it when you were lying here …
and this SS man climbed up the ladder with a tin of gas which he had in
his hand and through the skylight he just dropped in … uh … this tin and
then he came down and off he went. And then a few seconds later you heard
a sort of muffled sound, and those were people actually suffocating. And
then, all of a sudden, it was very quiet and then, soon after that, you
lay here and you could actually see smoke coming out of the chimney and
those were the VERY people that were burning! And do you think I could
believe that there were people actually burning in there? I couldn’t
believe it. Can YOU believe it? NO! But people were burning there and you
could HEAR them SCREAMING … but you still couldn’t believe it … people
were being sent in one end and there were ashes at the other end ten
minutes later."

Kitty also reveals that she was one of those odd folk in Auschwitz who
washed in her own urine. Throughout the film she continually returns to
urine, mud, and bread. She is either bathing in urine, eating from her
excrement-encrusted bowl, swimming in a sea of mud, eating mud, or eating
mouthfuls of bread. We know right away that something is wrong.
Asphyxiated, stone dead people do not scream when they are cremated.
Bodies cannot be reduced to ashes in ten minutes (a more reasonable time
would be 2-3 hours). And there are just too many self-contradictions in
her story to make it the slightest bit plausible. If she would munch on
one blade of grass in a sea of mud, how come she could sunbathe on an
entire lawn? Kitty is sorely in need of some good counseling to determine
the underlying causes of her fixations on anal functions. Perhaps her
childhood toilet-training was too strict, and she subconsciously feels
that opening her bowels without permission will lead to dire punishments
like asphyxiation and burning.

Another "survivor" whose attic is full of junk is one Fania Fenelon, the
subject of an American TV docudrama, Playing for Time. The TV production
caused a storm of controversy because the anti-Zionist actress Vanessa
Redgrave was cast in the lead role. In the case of Ms. Fenelon’s book of
the same title, we are only on page one of her narrative before she is
telling us that:

"A trick I’d found to cool myself was to wash in my own urine. Keeping
myself clean was essential to me, and there is nothing unclean about
urine. I could drink it if I was thirsty—and I had done so."

With inmates going around drinking their own urine and using their soup
dishes as toilets it would hardly be surprising that Auschwitz suffered
from epidemics of disease. But it is rather more likely that these
"narratives" are largely based on fantasy.

Many of these survivors’ accounts have appeared on the pulp paper-back
market over the years. In the early 1950s there was a vogue for such
material, but this had largely died out by the 1970s. However, the
increased use of the "Holocaust" as justification for Israeli imperialism
and exemption from normal moral criteria brought about a revival in the
market. The showing of the television docu-drama Holocaust did much to
heighten interest, and of course the Zionists were quick to use the
opportunity to draw attention to the alleged correlation between the Nazi
Holocaust and the existence of a Jewish theocratic colony in the
mid-East. Many survivors sought to jump on the bandwagon and by 1980
there were scores of "personal testimonies" flooding the bookstores. None
of these were of an academic nature, and some of them were downright
fiction from beginning to end. But still one could detect the same
symbols and the same neuroses exhibiting themselves. One particularly
trashy novel of the era was Eyewitness Auschwitz: Three Years in the Gas
Chambers by Filip Müller. Müller’s book is full of low-budget
horror-movie material that would be laughed out of court in any test of
authenticity. He claims that SS doctors would examine victims while they
were still alive, and once they were gassed, would slice off bits of
flesh for experiments; the flesh jumping around in buckets. He claims to
have waded through pits of decomposing corpses, which oozed up out of the
ground one hot summer. On one page, a female gassee does a striptease to
distract attention. During the mayhem, Müller gets locked into the gas
chamber, but "miraculously" escapes. On a later page, the chief gasser
Moll gets sexually turned on—as does his dog—with the killing of another
beautiful young gassee. Müller gets transferred again to the pits for
burning excess corpses. Here he defies science by burning corpses without
oxygen getting to them underneath, and by basting them in their melted
fat.

It is not therefore surprising that some of the more respectable peddlers
of the Holocaust cult, known generally as Exterminationists have
attempted to save face by condemning certain of the more extreme and
outlandish claims. In The Final Solution, Gerald Reitlinger advises that:

"A certain degree of reserve is necessary in handling all of this
material, and particularly this applies to the last section (survivor
narratives)… The Eastern European Jew is a natural rhetorician, speaking
in flowery similes … who use numerals as oratorical adjectives and whose
very names are creations of fantasy."

In her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, Hannah Arendt reports that the
prosecution:

"…had been under considerable pressure from Israeli survivors, who
constitute about 20% of the present population of the country. They had
flocked spontaneously to the trial authorities … to offer themselves as
witnesses. The worst cases of ‘strong imagination’, people who had ‘seen
Eichmann at various places where he had never been’, were weeded out, but
56 ‘sufferings-of-the-Jewish-people witnesses’, as the trial authorities
called them, were finally put on the stand, instead of some 15 or 20
‘background witnesses’ as originally planned.

"If Eichmann’s name was mentioned at all, it obviously was hearsay
evidence, ‘rumors testified to’, hence without legal validity. The
testimony of all witnesses who had ‘seen him with their own eyes’
collapsed the moment a question was addressed to them."

In a remarkable climb-down in the British New Statesman of 2 November
1979, Exterminationist scholar Gitta Sereny admits:

"It is true that, along with many authentic works, there have been books
or films which were only partly true, or even were partly faked. And
unfortunately, even reputable historians often fail in their care… By
quoting supposed ‘eyewitnesses’ who are in fact repeating hearsay,
(Martin) Gilbert perpetuates errors which—because they are so easily
disproved—provide Revisionists’ opportunities…

"This is an area in which commercially motivated rubbish can have
terrible long-term consequences. The problem with books like this is that
they are ‘ghosted’ by professional wordsmiths … who have neither interest
in nor capacity for conveying truth with restraint.

"Worse again are the partial or complete fakes such as Jean Francis
Steiner’s Treblinka or Martin Gray’s For Those I Loved. Steiner’s book on
the surface even seems right: he is a man of talent and conviction, and
it is hard to know how he could go so wrong. But what he finally produced
was a hodgepodge of truth and falsehood, libeling both the dead and the
living. The original French book had to be withdrawn and reissued with
all the names changed. But it retains its format of imagined
conversations and reactions—i.e. pure fiction—incredibly remaining
nonetheless, in serious bibliographies.

"Gray’s For Those I Loved was the work of Max Gallo the ghost-writer… I
myself told Gray … that he had manifestly never been to, nor escaped
from, Treblinka. He finally asked, despairingly: ‘But does it matter?
Wasn’t the only thing that Treblinka did happen, that it should be
written about, and that some Jews should be shown to have been heroic?’"

In the same article, Ms. Sereny admits that:

"Auschwitz, despite its emblematic name, was not primarily an
extermination camp for Jews, and is not the central case through which to
study extermination policy."

In a lengthy letter to the Los Angeles Times of 16 May 1981, Professor
Deborah Lipstadt of UCLA History Department writes:

"The fact is that the Nazis never used the bodies of Jews, or for that
matter anyone else, for the production of soap. The soap rumor was
prevalent both during and after the war. It may have had its origin in
the cadaver factory atrocity story that came out of World War I. The
letters ‘RJF’ probably stood for the name of the factory that produced
soap. The soap rumor was thoroughly investigated after the war and proved
to be untrue."

In an article in Judaism of October 1981, the same professor condemns the
increased "commercialization" of the Holocaust. She warns that the
separation of the Holocaust from the Jewish "historical continuum" is
dangerous. She charges that Jewish leaders not only draw on the
"articulated sense of guilt that afflicts many of those who survived" but
that they even try to create more guilt in order to make their flock
"more pliable and responsive".

However, all of this clutching at reality is beyond the intellectual
ability of Elie Wiesel, Chairman of the President’s Commission (now
Council) on the Holocaust. In his 1980 Report to the President he
described in much detail his neuroses:

"Why then cling to unbearable memories that may for ever rob us of our
sleep? Why not forget, turn the page, and proclaim: let it remain buried
deep beneath the dark nightmares of our subconscious. Why not spare our
children the weight of our collective burden and allow them to start
their lives free of nocturnal obsessions and complexes, free of Auschwitz
and its shadows?"

Naturally, he immediately goes on to explain why we should suffer eternal
insomnia: According to Wiesel, the survivors, "… willingness to share
their knowledge, their pain, their anguish, even their agony, is
motivated solely by their conviction that their survival was for a
purpose. A survivor sees himself as a messenger and guardian of secrets
entrusted by the dead."

Yet again, the one crime that has visited and revisited Jewish children
with monotonous regularity over the eons is described:

"… in order to cut expenses and save gas, cost-accountant considerations
led to an order to place living children directly into the ovens, or
throw them into open burning pits."

And yet again, the "Holocaust kingdom" is described in terms of "charred
souls … darkness … flames of darkness … fire … ashes … and torture…"

And, right near the end of his Report, a double-double whammy:

"Little did we know that Jewish children would again be murdered, in cold
blood, by killers in Israel."

Yet another survivor in the same mold, who obviously has not been keeping
up with all the revisions that are being made to Holocaust theory by the
leading Exterminationists themselves, is one Mel Mermelstein, author of
By Bread Alone. Mermelstein is the "survivor" who in 1981 sued the
Institute for Historical Review for their $50,000 reward for proof of
"gas chambers". Yet again, burnt offerings are sent to the heavens:

"I turned my head trying to dismiss the picture of the smoking chimneys
and the fires below them, but the vision did not leave. It became worse
inside me when I realized that at the very moment my mother, Etu, Magda,
Angel, and my playmate Karen, might be in there, consumed by the flames.
I looked up. I could barely see the sky. The picture became real. I
screamed."

Later:

"Suddenly the road burst upon the scene—a scene right out of Dante’s
Inferno. Ahead were three huge pits dug deep into the ground. In each a
fire was raging. Around the flaming pits, naked men were running in an
endless circle. All around I could see SS guards and prison kapos
swinging their leather whips and driving the prisoners from behind into
the pits.. I kept pushing myself away from the pit but something kept
drawing me back. I was torn between two worlds, the living and the dead.
I pushed my way closer to the edge of the pit. My God, I could see humans
on fire, writhing and moaning."

Again, there is no evidence whatsoever that the Germans engaged in any
practice of immolating living persons. No documents. No photographs. No
evidence that would stand up in court. All we have are the alleged
eye-witness reports of people like Mermelstein. And we have seen in the
Eichmann case, and in a multitude of other "war crimes" trials, that
eyewitness testimony in such cases is grossly unreliable. Every witness
wants to be a star witness, regardless of the truth. At least we ought to
be grateful that Mermelstein spares us the lurid details of sexual and
toiletry nightmares.

Last but not least, we come to the present day turmoil in Israeli
occupied Palestine. Here again, we find exactly the same symbolism in
play. A report in the Los Angeles Times dated 26 August 1979 describes
the trial in Israel of two PLO members, who allegedly attacked a civilian
bus. According to the report, the two Arabs "showed signs of having been
beaten. One’s arm was in a cast, the other’s face was cut and had a black
eye. Mrs. Tsemel (defense counsel) said prison guards had beaten them."

The defense lawyer was harangued by both the prosecution witnesses and by
the spectators. "You sold out your country, you bitch, for PLO money"
screamed one. Yet again, the witnesses drew on the usual imagery:

"When the girl terrorist grabbed a baby and threw it into a burning seat,
he started to clap. Then I saw him shoot the boy and a man with glasses
who said one word to him in Arabic."

More abuse was heaped on the defense lawyers:

"One of the male survivors of the massacre shouted at Mrs. Tsemel, with
whom he had gone to school. ‘Your day will come too, Leah. Your children
should burn as others did.’ "

Yes indeed. Your children should burn as others did. What is it about the
sacred rite of child sacrifice through immolation that purges the Jewish
soul? Are the Jews ridding themselves of some hereditary hang-up, or are
they providing themselves with a rationale to feel guilty for the rest of
their lives? Or might it not be that when his children are sacrificed as
a burnt offering unto God, the Jew is vicariously destroying part of
himself? Are the Jews so self-hating that they seek the destruction of
their own progeny?

"All truth passes through three stages. First,
it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
---Schopenhauer

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Subject: [13texan] Re: HISTORICAL FACTS OF THE PROTOCOLS
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:13:19 -0400
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> Hope wrote:
> >
> > When did they let you out, js?
> >
> Which time?....
>

After the last series of electro-shock therapy.

Steve

> Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite
> a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew".
>
>                                        The 1980 Jewish Almanac
>
> > Steve
> >
> > jsavage wrote:
> > >
> > > Steve!
> > >
> > > You need to get with the lying plagerist Mathews and
> > > let him teach you the proper way to cut and paste! hehehehe!
> > >
> > > What you plagerized is a well known lie...and is only believed
> > > by prodigiously ignorant people such as mathews...
> > >
> > > js
> > > --
> > > Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite
> > > a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew".
> > >
> > >                                        The 1980 Jewish Almanac
> > >
> > > Hope wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ed Kadach wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > HISTORICAL FACTS OF THE PROTOCOLS
> > > >
> > > >      (Ed KKKadach's usual lies snipped - what follows is the truth
> > > >       about the Protocols)
> > > >
> > > >       Steve
> > > >
> > > >                     The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a
> > > > forgery                     made in Russia for the Okhrana (secret
> > > > police), which                  blames the Jews for the country's ills.
> > > > It was first                 privately printed in 1897 and was made
> > > > public in 1905.                 It is copied from a nineteenth century
> > > > novel (Biarritz, 1868) and claims that
> > > >                     a secret Jewish cabal is plotting to take over the
> > > > world.
> > > >
> > > >                     The basic story was composed by a  German novelist
> > > > and anti-Semite
> > > >                     named Hermann Goedsche who used the pseudonym of Sir
> > > > John
> > > >                     Retcliffe. Goedsche stole the main story from
> > > > another writer, Maurice
> > > >                     Joly, whose "Dialogues in Hell Between Machiavelli
> > > > and Montesquieu"
> > > >                     (1864) involved a Hellish plot aimed at opposing
> > > > Napoleon III.
> > > >                     Goedsche's original contribution consists mainly of
> > > > introducing Jews to
> > > >                     do the plotting to take over the world.
> > > >
> > > >                     The Russians used big chunks of a Russian
> > > > translation of Goedsche's
> > > >                     novel, published it separately as the Protocols, and
> > > > claimed they were
> > > >                     authentic. Their purpose was political: to
> > > > strengthen the czar Nicholas
> > > >                     II's position by exposing his opponents as allies
> > > > with those who were
> > > >                     part of a massive conspiracy to take over the world.
> > > > Thus, the
> > > >                     Protocols are a forgery of a plagiarized fiction.
> > > >
> > > >                     The Protocols were exposed as a forgery in 1921 by
> > > > Philip Grave, a
> > > >                     correspondent for the London Times; by  Herman
> > > > Bernstein in The
> > > >                     Truth About "The Protocols of Zion": A Complete
> > > > Exposure,
> > > >                     reprinted with introduction by Norman Cohn (Ktav
> > > > Publishing House,
> > > >                     New York,1971); and Lucien Wolf in The Jewish Bogey
> > > > and the
> > > >                     Forged Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
> > > > (London : Press
> > > >                     Committee of the Jewish Board of Deputies,1920).
> > > >
> > > >                     The Protocols were published in a Michigan newspaper
> > > > owned by
> > > >                     Henry Ford. Even after they were exposed as a
> > > > forgery, Ford's paper
> > > >                     continued to cite the document. Adolf Hitler later
> > > > used the Protocols to
> > > >                     help justify his attempt to exterminate Jews during
> > > > World War II.
> > > >
> > > >                     The Protocols hoax continues to fool people and is
> > > > still cited by certain
> > > >                     individuals and groups as the cause of all their
> > > > woes.
> > > >
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Subject: [13texan] Re: Jews-"Tay-Sachs-Disease"
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:20:41 -0400
From: jsavage 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Hi all!

Good factual post Ed!

Ed Kadach wrote:
>
> MENTAL DISEASES
>
> A terrible legacy has been haunting Khazar
> jews for many centuries:
>
>
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Subject: [13texan] Re: HISTORICAL FACTS OF THE PROTOCOLS
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:39:28 -0400
From: jsavage 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Hope wrote:
>
> jsavage wrote:
> >
> > philnancy@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Savage wrote:
> > >
> > > philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> > > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=978
> > > > philnancy@aol.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Savage wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> > > > > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=962
> > > > > > Steve!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You need to get with the lying plagerist Mathews and
> > > > > > let him teach you the proper way to cut and paste! hehehehe!
> > > > >
> > > > > Savage, you need to get out of that rusty trailer and buy a
> > > dictionary
> > > > > so you'll know how to spell plagiarist!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > It is a recognized spelling from the "Geeks Spelling of
> > > > Antiquated Terms"
> > >
> > > Ah, so you're a Geek!
> > >
> > js
> > Dunno....
> >
> > > >
> > > > As far as the rusty old trailer is considered....it
> > > > is paid for :)...
> > > >
> > >
> > > I should hope so, now if you could only find a place to park it.
> > >
> >
> > js
> > got a place ...The thirty-four acres it sets
> > on is also paid for....
>
> That's great, js.  Let us know when you get indoor plumbing.

It's paid for too...

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a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew".

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Subject: [13texan] Re: No Subject
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 05:45:51 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=990
> Phil, now I thought that you were the denier. Are we confused here?
You mean
> to say after all of this you believe in the holohoax too? If you had
a
> brainstorm it would only be a light drizzle.

Mr. Snead, his ignorance of the subject matter having been exposed,
resorts to typical denier tactics.

Philip Mathews

>
>
> In a message dated 9/9/99 2:24:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
philnancy@aol.com
> writes:
>
> << Poor Snead replies like most deniers when confronted with
evidence, he
>  runs away. If only he would only do that, rather than embarrass
himself
>  with what no doubt passes for wit in his circles. >>

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Subject: [13texan] Re: HISTORICAL FACTS OF THE PROTOCOLS
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 05:49:11 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Mr. Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=991
> In a message dated 9/9/99 2:21:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
philnancy@aol.com
> writes:
>
> << > Beats being a piccoloist such as yourself....
>
>  A what!  LOL!
>
>
>  Philip Mathews
>   >>
>
>
> Phil,  a piccolo is a small flute...in reference to a regular flute
(a
> musical instrument).
> It has a high squeaky sound. a piccoloist is one who blows and sucks
on the
> little instrument....That reminds me Mr. Answerer of all questions
(sic), Are
> you Gay?

I'm aware of what it is Mr. Snead, I'm just curious why you're so
knowledgeable  about the analogy your struggling with? Given up
defending you lies I see!

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Hans Stark - Nazis Testify to Gassing At Ausc
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 05:54:27 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=993
> In a message dated 9/9/99 3:14:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
philnancy@aol.com
> writes:
>
> << Zyklon B >>
>  Used for delicing and sterilizing clothes.

The term is delousing, and it has nothing to do with sterilizing.
Anything else you don't know about Zyklon B?

>
>  All Lies.. A Jew will report that his brother occupied a chair of
applied
> electricity in a famous public institution...when he meant that his
brother
> got the electric chair at Sing Sing.

Sworn testimony by Hans Stark, like that of many other Nazis, is
particularly galling to mindless deniers, since it exposes their silly
lies about the Holocaust. Otherwise, why would so many Nazis have
admitted what they did? So they reply in the only way they can,
declaring all the testimony forged or lies. Why a Nazis would lie about
participating in such a event is unknown. Why deniers lie about the
substantial body of Nazi testimony is understandable.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Our Reaction To The Jew
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:59:27 CDT
From: "David Griffin" 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Given the fact that the Jews are the children of the Devil, as our LORD said
they were....And given the fact that there never was a Jewish holocaust in
Europe; that Mr. Hitler treated the Jews much kinder than he should
have.....These facts are indisputable, and beyond reproach.

I would like to see some posts on what true Israel's(the Anglo-Saxon,
Germanic, and kindred people of the earth) reaction to the Jews should be in
1999....What attacks can we make on the enemies of Jesus?....Jude tells us
to contend for the faith....

...We know that we can pray for their deaths, as the Psalmist did when he
prayed that even infant Jews be smashed against the rocks......And this is
very effective.....We also know that we are never to bid a Jew godspeed, nor
allow them into our homes, as the Scriptures teach us....For when we help a
Jew in any way, we then become a partaker of their evil deeds..

..To help a Jew is to make an attack on Jesus Christ....This have resulted
in much trouble for true Israel......Our national and physical health has
suffered due to our support of the Jew.....and it behooves us to do
absolutely nothing to aid a Jew in any way; else we offend the Almighty, and
suffer the ramifications of our sin.

But I'm sure there are other ways in which we can please God in this
repect....And I would like to read some other ideas about dealing with the
anti-Christ today......Thank you.

Hail Jesus' Victory!
David

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Hans Stark - Nazis Testify to Gassing At Ausc
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 06:06:33 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Savage wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=999
> Herb Gorman wrote:
> >
> > SNEADSTER@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > In a message dated 9/9/99 3:14:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
philnancy@aol.com
> > > writes:
> > >
> > > << Zyklon B >>
> > >  Used for delicing and sterilizing clothes.
> > >
> > >  All Lies.. A Jew will report that his brother occupied a chair
of applied
> > > electricity in a famous public institution...when he meant that
his brother
> > > got the electric chair at Sing Sing.
> >
> > Could you perhaps (while you're getting the evidence of the size of
the "World
> > Jewish Navy" and "World Jewish Ari Force," and proving that
everyone who
> > testified at Nuremberg was tortured...) back up your concise and
probing
> > commentary with some, ah, evidence?
> >
> > What evidence, for instance, can you provide us to demonstrate that
the Nazis did
> > not use Zyklon B to gas people, Michael?
> >
> > http://www2.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/auschwitz/
> >
> > What evidence, for instance, can you provide us which proves that
there were no
> > homocidal gassings at Sobibor, Chelmno, Maidanek, Mauthausen,
Belzec, Treblinka,
> > Hartheim, etc.?
> >
> > http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/camps/aktion-reinhard/
> > http://www2.nizkor.org/camps/chelmno/
> >
> > I'll jest sit here in the sun, and wait patiently while you go out
and check
> > those sources, Michael... it's always a pleasure to chat with a
scholar of your
> > caliber.
>
> js
> Nonsense. It is you who parrot semitic crap from know nothing
> authors and websites and pretend its learning.

Really? Then it ought to be a simple matter for you to expose this
nonsense with some real facts, with sources. Or will you merely
continue with your mindless denial, unable to do anything else?

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Descriptions of Gassing At Auschwitz
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 06:13:09 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1000
> In a message dated 9/9/99 4:24:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
gormanh@home.com
> writes:
>
> << Do you have proof - ANY proof - whatsoever that anyone was
tortured?
>
>  I thought not.
>
>   >>
> Do you have any proof they weren't?

Poor Mr. Snead, doesn't know it is a basic error of argumentation to
insist on proving a negative. Please prove you do not slit the throats
of little African American children?  If there is no evidence to
indicated something happened, there is no reason to believe it did. Got
any evidence for the assertion _you_ made? We're waiting.

Philip Mathews

What proof do you have Herb....Show me
> some proof...afraid you might be called a liar? scratch that idea we
already
> do that anyway. Show me the proof....
> Michael Snead
> 14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: HISTORICAL FACTS OF THE PROTOCOLS
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 06:16:10 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1002
> philnancy@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Savage wrote:
> >
> > philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=978
> > > philnancy@aol.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Savage wrote:
> > > >
> > > > philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> > > > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=962
> > > > > Steve!
> > > > >
> > > > > You need to get with the lying plagerist Mathews and
> > > > > let him teach you the proper way to cut and paste! hehehehe!
> > > >
> > > > Savage, you need to get out of that rusty trailer and buy a
> > dictionary
> > > > so you'll know how to spell plagiarist!
> > > >
> > >
> > > It is a recognized spelling from the "Geeks Spelling of
> > > Antiquated Terms"
> >
> > Ah, so you're a Geek!
> >
> js
> Dunno....
>
>
> > >
> > > As far as the rusty old trailer is considered....it
> > > is paid for :)...
> > >
> >
> > I should hope so, now if you could only find a place to park it.
> >
>
> js
> got a place ...The thirty-four acres it sets
> on is also paid for....

Oh, does the trailer lay eggs?

Philip Mathews

>
>
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What you plagerized is a well known lie...and is only believed
> > > > > by prodigiously ignorant people such as mathews...
> > > >
> > > > The Protocols are the lie, and what is well known is that they
are
> > > > believed only by half wit Jew haters like you.
> > >
> > > js
> > > Another one of your fabricated lies...you must
> > > work for the government...
> >
> > You haven't been able to point out a single one!
> >
> js
>
> Do the following Scriptures not fit the deceiving lying
> people known as jews....
>
> "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the
> Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and
> the Son."  (1John 2:22)
>
> "WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:
> [but] he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also".
>                                              (1John 2:23)
>
> "For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not
> that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and
> an antichrist." (2John 7)
>
> "Whosoever transgresseth and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ,
> hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath
> both the Father and the Son". (2John 9)
>
> "If there come any unto you and bring not this doctrine, receive
> him not into your house, neither bid him God speed". (2John 10"
>
> "For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds".
>                                                       (2John 11)
>
> "But ye believe me not, because ye are not of my sheep,
> as I said unto you". (John 10:26)
>
> "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, AND THEY
> FOLLOW ME". (John 10:27)
>
> "THEN THE JEWS TOOK UP STONES AGAIN TO STONE HIM". (John 10:27
>
> And you stick up for these lying murderous deceivers!
> Do the jews follow Jesus Christ?....The WORD of GOD
> says they don't!!...read it!
>
> But you are more intelligent than God...aren't you!?....
> you are more humane than GOD...GOD really didn't mean
> those things did he!
>
> > And in this country,
> > Savage, we are the government.
>
> Really!?...who are we?....Are you speaking of MORTAL
> man as being the government?!
>
> "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:
> and the GOVERNMENT shall be upon his shoulder: and his
> name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty
> God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace". Isa 9:6
>
> Mortal man doesn't stand a chance!
>
> > >
> > > > I'll bet you can play
> > > > the banjo lead to the Deliverance theme!
> > > >
> > > js
> > > Beats being a piccoloist such as yourself....
> >
> > A what!  LOL!
>
> js
> --
> Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite
> a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew".
>
>                                        The 1980 Jewish Almanac

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Our Reaction To The Jew
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 06:37:14 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1024
>
>
> Given the fact that the Jews are the children of the Devil, as our
LORD said
> they were....And given the fact that there never was a Jewish
holocaust in
> Europe; that Mr. Hitler treated the Jews much kinder than he should
> have.....These facts are indisputable, and beyond reproach.

There isn't a fact in the entire paragraph, just the raving of a lying
Jew hater. Where does the Lord say Jews are the children of the Devil?

>
> I would like to see some posts on what true Israel's(the Anglo-Saxon,
> Germanic, and kindred people of the earth) reaction to the Jews
should be in
> 1999....What attacks can we make on the enemies of Jesus?....Jude
tells us
> to contend for the faith...

True Israel's! So you accept that foolishness as well I see. Is there
any nutball theory you don't embrace?

>
> ...We know that we can pray for their deaths, as the Psalmist did
when he
> prayed that even infant Jews be smashed against the rocks......And
this is
> very effective.....We also know that we are never to bid a Jew
godspeed, nor
> allow them into our homes, as the Scriptures teach us....For when we
help a
> Jew in any way, we then become a partaker of their evil deeds..

And the despicable Jew hater reveals himself again. Thanks for
demonstrating why you are yours are such a loathsome group, operating
in the dark recesses of society, meriting the abhorence of decent
people everywhere.

Philip Mathews

>

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Subject: [13texan] Protocols of the Elders of Zion - A Forgery
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 06:43:00 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

What are "The Protocols
                            of the Elders of Zion"?

            The war that the Nazis waged against the Jews was not just
a war of physical
            annihilation. It was an international war of propaganda to
convince the rest of
            the world of the evils of Judaism. One of the primary
weapons that the Third
            Reich used for this international effort was a forgery
known as "The Protocols
            of the Elders of Zion." It is claimed that the Protocols
are the minutes of a
            meeting of Jewish leaders at the first Zionist Congress in
Basel, Switzerland, in
            1897, in which Jews plotted to take over the world. The
Protocols are a
            complete forgery most of which was copied from an obscure
satire on
            Napoleon III by Maurice Joly called "Dialogue aux Enfers
entre Montesquieu et
            Machiavel" ("A Dialogue in Hell Between Montesquieu and
Machiavelli").

            The story of the Protocols starts with a chapter in a novel
called "Biarritz" by a
            German bureaucrat named Hermann Goedesche writing under the
pseudonym
            "Sir John Retcliffe" (sometimes altered to "Sir John
Readcliffe" in later
            literature). Goedesche was an anti-Semite in the middle of
the 19th century who
            believed in a conspiracy between Jews and Masons to
dominate the world.
            One chapter of the novel, titled "In the Jewish Cemetery in
Prague" relates a
            speech by a Rabbi named Eichhorn or Reichhorn which reveals
a Jewish plot
            against European civilization. Although it was part of a
novel, it was printed
            separately as an anti-Semitic pamphlet in Russia as early
as 1872. It was widely
            circulated as a truthful account for the rest of the 19th
century and represents
            the precursor of the Protocols. It is still occasionally
attached to current editions
            of the Protocols.

            The Protocols were actually written in Paris sometime
between 1895 and 1899
            by an agent of the Russian secret police Pytor Ivanovich
Rachovsky, who is
            known to have forged other documents for the various
intrigues in which he
            took part. While the Protocols are overtly anti-Semitic it
is believed that the
            Russian minister of finance, Sergei Witte, was also a
target of the Protocols. At
            the time Witte was the leader of the movement to modernize
Russia and limit the
            influence of the old Russian aristocracy. The Protocols
attempt to discredit
            Witte's reforms of the Russian economy by linking Witte's
program to a Jewish
            plot to destroy western civilization.

            The Protocols, as they are usually published, are divided
into twenty-six
            separate chapters each of which are a lecture on how to
subvert western
            civilization, although some versions, including the first
in Englsh, did not have this
            division. The "program" set forth in the Protocols is vague
and generalized. The
            Protocols advise, for example: "Therefore in governing the
world the best results
            are obtained by violence and intimidation, and not by
academic discussions."
            (Protocol 1). Some are just silly. One Protocol (23)
advocates making people
            unhappy by passing laws prohibiting drunkenness. The
Protocols are vigorously
            anti-democratic as well. Protocol 25 advises: "Several
members of the seed of
            David will prepare Kings and their successors, who will be
elected not by right
            of inheritance but by their own capabilities. These
successors will be initiated in
            our secret political mysteries and plans of governing,
taking great care that no
            one else should acquire them."

            The parochial political controversies that sparked the
writing of the Protocols
            was soon forgotten but the anti-Semitism remained. The
Protocols were first
            published in full by Sergei Nilus, another agent of the
Russian secret police, in
            1905. Nilus, who might have been one of the authors of the
Protocols, became
            their main promoter; he circulated several editions of the
Protocols in Russia as
            part of an campaign of anti-Semitism. While the early
publications of the
            Protocols were in Russia, it was spread to the rest of
Europe by Russian
            expatriates after the fall of the Tsars in 1917, where they
claimed that it
            provided proof that the Jews were behind the Russian
Revolution. Another
            expatriate Russian, Boris Brasol, brought it to the United
States around 1920
            where it became the core of Henry Ford's anti-Semitic
program. By the time
            Nilus died in 1930, Europe had been saturated by millions
of copies of the
            Protocols. It had also been exposed as a forgery.

            The Protocols reached Germany sometime around 1918. One of
those who
            brought them to Germany was Alfred Rosenberg, an Estonian
of German
            heritage who first encountered the Protocols when a student
in Moscow.
            According to Rosenberg a stranger entered his room, placed
the book on the
            table and silently departed. Whether his tale was true or
not, Rosenberg soon
            became an anti-Semite convinced of the authenticity of the
Protocols. When he
            fled Raval (now Talinn) in the civil war that followed the
Russian Revolution, he
            took the Protocols with him.

            In Germany Rosenberg soon became involved with a mystical
group that was a
            precursor to National Socialism known as the Thule Society
where he
            frequently lectured about the Protocols. Rosenberg was
there to explain the
            mysteries of the Protocols when Adolf Hitler appeared on
the stage of
            right-wing politics in 1921. Rosenberg was at Hitler's side
during the attempted
            putsch in Munich in 1923. By then the Protocols had become
one of the central
            themes of Nazi thought. The Protocols were the basis for
much of Mein
            Kampf, and Rosenberg's book The Myth of the 20th Century
became the
            most important exposition of Nazi philosophy.

            It was already known that the Protocols were a forgery when
Hitler received his
            first copy. The exposure of the forgery began as soon as
the Protocols began to
            appear in western Europe but the coup de grâce
            occurred in 1921, one year after the Protocols
            were first published in Great Britain. In August,
            1921, the Times of London printed a devastating
            exposure of the forgery by printing extracts from
            the Protocols side-by-side with the passages
            from Joly's book that had been plagiarized. From
            that point, the Protocols were dismissed by
            thinking people everywhere. It did not, however,
            stop the wide circulation of the Protocols by
            Russian expatriates and later by Hitler. Even the
            decision by a Swiss court after consultation with
            three experts (one appointed by the publisher) in May, 1935
did not affect the
            distribution of the Protocols by the Third Reich.

            The anti-Semitic agitation of the Nazis was international
in scope. The Protocols
            was the chief weapons used in the propaganda campaign
against the Jews.
            Under the direction of Joseph Goebbels, the Protocols were
translated into
            many other languages and the world was flooded with cheap
editions of the
            forged document. With Henry Ford's "The International Jew"
(also based in
            large part on the Protocols), it became the staple text for
the anti-Semitism
            exported by the Nazis around the world. In Mein Kampf,
Hitler described the
            importance of the Protocols to his program of
anti-Semitism:

                 ... To what extent the whole existence of this people
is based on a
                 continuous lie is shown incomparably by the Protocols
of the Wise
                 Men of Zion, so infinitely hated by the Jews. They are
based on a
                 forgery, the Frankfurter Zeitung moans and screams
once every
                 week: the best proof that they are authentic. What
many Jews may
                 do unconsciously is here consciously exposed. And that
is what
                 matters. It is completely indifferent from what Jewish
brain these
                 disclosures originate; the important thing is that
with positively
                 terrifying certainty they reveal the nature and
activity of the Jewish
                 people and expose their inner contexts as well as
their ultimate
                 final aims. The best criticism applied to them,
however, is reality.
                 Anyone who examines the historical development of the
last
                 hundred years from the standpoint of this book will at
once
                 understand the screaming of the Jewish press. For once
this book
                 has become the common property of a people, the Jewish
menace
                 may be considered as broken.

                 Hitler, Adolf. Mein Kampf (München: Zentralverlag der
                 N.S.D.A.P. Franz Eher Nachf., G.M.B.H., 1935). Volume
1;
                 Chapter XI: Nation and Race (pp. 307-308; Mannheim
                 translation).

                 Wie sehr das ganze Dasein dieses Volkes auf einer
                 fortlaufenden Lüge beruht, wird in unvergleichlicher
Art in
                 den von den Juden so unendlich gehaßten "Protokollen
der
                 Weisen von Zion" gezeigt. Sie sollen auf einer
Fälschung
                 beruhen, stöhnt immer wieder die "Frankfurter Zeitung"
in
                 die Welt hinaus: der beste Beweis dafür, daß sie echt
sind.
                 Was viele Juden unbewußt tun mögen, ist hier bewußt
                 klargelegt. Darauf aber kommt es an. Es ist ganz
gleich, aus
                 wessen Judenkopf diese Enthüllungen stammen, maßgebend
                 aber ist, daß sie mit geradezu grauenerregender
Sicherheit
                 das Wesen und die Tätigkeit des Judenvolkes aufdecken
und
                 in ihren inneren Zusammenhängen sowie den letzten
                 Schlußzielen darlegen. Die beste Kritik an ihnen
jedoch bildet
                 die Wirklichkeit. Wer die geschichtliche Entwicklung
der
                 letzten hundert Jahre von den Gesichtspunkten dieses
Buches
                 aus überprüft, dem wird auch das Geschrei der jüdischen
                 Presse sofort verständlich werden. Denn wenn dieses
Buch
                 erst einmal Gemeingut eines Volkes geworden sein wird,
darf
                 die jüdische Gefahr auch schon als gebrochen gelten.

                 Aus Mein Kampf: Die Protokolle der Weisen von Zion. Aus
                 11. Kapitel: Volk und Rasse - Erster Band: Eine
Abrechnung.

            Even today the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is one of
the principal
            propaganda weapons of anti-Semitism. In the United States
it continues to be
            circulated by the Christian Identity movement, the Ku Klux
Klan and neo-Nazi
            groups. It is still distributed by those who deny the
Holocaust as well. The
            Institute for Historical Review - the intellectual center
of the movement denying
            the Holocaust - continues to sell the Protocols and it is
still used to attack Jews.
            Ernst Zündel, who states openly that he is an admirer of
Hitler and claims the
            Holocaust never happened, still repeats the lies of the
Protocols:

                 Could it be that word is out that, according to the
Protocols of the
                 Wise Elders of Zion, the New World Order is soon going
to be
                 locked in place, with Israel the hub of power and the
United
                 States its dedicated slave?

                 http://www.lebensraum.org/
                 english/zgrams/zg1997/zg9709/970912.html

            Nor is the United States the only country and English the
only language where
            the Protocols are still being distributed as fact. The
Protocols are available in
            virtually every European country. Translated into Arabic,
the Protocols have
            become a standard text for anti-Semitism in the Middle
East. Translated into
            Japanese, millions of the copies of the Protocols are still
being distributed
            around the Pacific Rim.

            "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" has become a lie that
will not die, no
            matter how often it is exposed as a forgery.

            Where to start your research

            Norman Cohn, "Warrant for Genocide" Serif Press (1967,
1996) is the most
            complete history of the Protocols.

            Albert Lee, "Henry Ford and the Jews" Stein & Day (1980)
explains how they
            were used by Henry Ford and distributed throughout the
world.

            Michael Barkan, "Religion and the Racist Right" University
of North Carolina
            Press (Revised Edition; 1997) explains how the Protocols
influenced the
            Christian Identity movement.

            D. Sklar, "The Nazis and the Occult" Dorset Press (1977,
1989) explains the
            connection between the Thule Society and Nazi thought.

            The text of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and several
articles about it can
            be read at: http://www.igc.org/ddickerson/protocols.html.



            Last modified: June 1, 1999
            Copyright © 1998-99 The Holocaust History Project. All
rights reserved.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] SS Dr. Kremer -Nazis Testify to Gassing at Auschwtiz
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 06:46:44 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Dr. Kremer attended by gassings at Auschwitz as part of his duties as a
physician. In addition to his testimony, he left a diary he kept at
Auschwitz which mentions the "special actions" conducted on arriving
Jews.

SS-Doctor Kremer at a hearing on 18 July 1947:
[Quoted in 'The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The
Free Press, NY, 1988, p. 258].
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I remember I once took part in the gassing of one of these groups
of women [from the women's camp in Auschwitz]. I cannot say how
big the group was. when I got close to the bunker I saw them
sitting on the ground. They were still clothed. As they were
wearing worn-out camp clothing they were not left in the undressing
hut but made to undress in the open air. I concluded from the
behavior of these women that they had no doubt what fate awaited
them, as they begged and sobbed to the SS men to spare them their
lives. However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed.
As an anatomist I have seen a lot of terrible things: I had had
a lot of experience with dead bodies, and yet what I saw that
day was like nothing I had ever seen before. Still completely
shocked by what I had seen I wrote on my diary on 5 September
1942: "The most dreadful of horrors. Hauptscharfuehrer Thilo was
right when he said to me today that this is the 'anus mundi', the
anal orifice of the world". I used this image because I could not
imagine anything more disgusting and horrific.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Wetzel Memo - Nazi Documents on the Holocaust
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 06:53:32 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Excerpted from a memorandum dated 27 April, 1942 by Dr. Erhard
Wetzel  (a lawyer), who was serving as desk officer in the Reich
Ministry for  the Eastern Territories
["Nazism:  A History in Documents and Eyewitness Accounts, 1919-1945",
Volume II, J.Noakes and G.Pridham, editors. Schocken Books, New York,
(c)1988 by the Dept. of History and Archeology, University of Exeter.
ISBN 0-8053-0973-5 (vol. 1), 0-8052-0972-7 (vol. 2). Document #690 on
p.979]
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Re:  the Solution of the Polish Question

 ...It should be obvious that one cannot solve the Polish problem by
liquidating the Poles in the same way as the Jews.  Such a solution
to the Polish problem would burden the German people with guilt for
years to come and lose us the sympathies of people everywhere,
particularly since our neighbors would be bound to reckon that
they would be treated in the same way when the time came.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: HISTORICAL FACTS OF THE PROTOCOLS
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:02:07 -0400
From: Hope 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
Organization: Animal Rescue & Referral
To: 13texan@egroups.com

jsavage wrote:
>
> philnancy@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Savage wrote:
> >
> > philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=978
> > > philnancy@aol.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Savage wrote:
> > > >
> > > > philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> > > > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=962
> > > > > Steve!
> > > > >
> > > > > You need to get with the lying plagerist Mathews and
> > > > > let him teach you the proper way to cut and paste! hehehehe!
> > > >
> > > > Savage, you need to get out of that rusty trailer and buy a
> > dictionary
> > > > so you'll know how to spell plagiarist!
> > > >
> > >
> > > It is a recognized spelling from the "Geeks Spelling of
> > > Antiquated Terms"
> >
> > Ah, so you're a Geek!
> >
> js
> Dunno....
>
> > >
> > > As far as the rusty old trailer is considered....it
> > > is paid for :)...
> > >
> >
> > I should hope so, now if you could only find a place to park it.
> >
>
> js
> got a place ...The thirty-four acres it sets
> on is also paid for....

That's great, js.  Let us know when you get indoor plumbing.

Steve

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Jews-"Tay-Sachs-Disease"
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:06:42 -0400
From: Hope 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
Organization: Animal Rescue & Referral
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Ed Kadach wrote:
>
> MENTAL DISEASES
>

The KKKadach family has long been afflicted by a strange malady.  All
the males are idiots, distinguishable by their overly large heads and
the drool that issues from their lips.

Steve

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Chronic Expulsion Of jews
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:10:45 -0400
From: Hope 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
Organization: Animal Rescue & Referral
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Ed Kadach wrote:
>
> The Chronic Expulsion Of jews
>
> A history of the jews chronic expulsion begs the question, why?
>

Because all through history, there have been idiot two-bit anti-semites
like widdle Eddie ready and willing to persecute minorities.

Steve

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Charge Room and Board for Concentration Camps
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:19:02 -0500
From: "Teacher of YHVH" 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
Organization: Christian Soldiers
To: <13texan@egroups.com>

Give um hell, Ramon!!!  They can't take the truth!!!

----- Original Message -----
From: jsavage 
To: <13texan@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 10:37 AM
Subject: [13texan] Re: Charge Room and Board for Concentration Camps

> Hi all!
>
> philnancy@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Ramon Sparks wrote:
> >
> > philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=918
> >
> > > WE ARE SOoo sorry for you that you cannot apparently read or
> > comprehend
> > > what the word of our FATHER says. LUKE 19-27 is very clear how CHRIST
> > VEIWS
> > > HIS enemies who are defined as those who will not bow to him and be
> > ruled
> > > by him THE JEWS are that people primarily . WE Certainly with great
> > > anticipation await the JUDGEMENT because CHRIST will complete what he
> > has
> > > called for ... the destruction of all those {JEWS} that will not BOW
> > and
> > > SERVE  "HIM" THEY ARE THE ANTI-CHRISTS....
> > >
> > > Ramon Sparks
> >
> > I'm afraid you're not sorry at all. The true Christian church rejects
> > you and your false Christianity, and the Lord will judge you a hater on
> > judgment day.
> >
> js
> Tell me...what is the "true Christian" church?
>
> What is true Christianity as oppossed to "false
> Christianity"?
>
> js
> --
> Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite
> a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew".
>
>                                        The 1980 Jewish Almanac
>
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Subject: [13texan] A Peaceful Day
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:31:16 -0700
From: general@oz.net
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Late last night I logged on for my e-mail, and downloaded 252 messages,
after being off line for two days. Twent-five percent were messages
from philnancy and Gorman, disputing the truth in their roles as
perceived ADL agents. So I made an e-mail rule to trash them
immediately, and they will no longer clutter my e-mail or compete for
my time. We don't have time to kill, time kills us. Others of similar
vein will be added to the delete to trash list, as it seems that maybe
a third of all messages are of similar junk mail types. This list could
well die of congestion from the convolution of the myriad "arguments"
that some persist in engaging in, with the public display of flinging
verbal feces back and forth with those who delight in it. This is my
appeal for everyone on the list to trash the ADL/Khazar types without
reading their verbal scat, ignore them, freeze them out. I do, you
ought to too, lest this list wither and fail, as a garden might fail,
by failing to prune, removing the thorns, and allowing weeds to choke
everything good that may grow.

On the other hand, let me know if I should just quit, and leave the
list to those who enjoy wrestling the Khazar swine. Vaya Con Dios, Andy

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Subject: [13texan] Vital information within these first 6 chapters of Genesis
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:41:53 EDT
From: Jann186@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

 Be WISER than the serpent:  Check out all of the information within these 6
chapters in detail, you might be surprised as to what is written in the
scriptures when you go into an indepth study of these chapters.

Gensis chapter 1  Genesis Chapter 2  Genesis chapter 3  Genesis Chapter 4  Genesis Chapter 5  Genesis Chapter 6

We are exhorted by our Father to seek knowledge with understanding and
WISDOM.  (check out ALL references)

Blessings in the name of YHVH, jann

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Subject: [13texan] Re: A Peaceful Day
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:54:02 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Genera wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1032

> Late last night I logged on for my e-mail, and downloaded 252
messages,
> after being off line for two days. Twent-five percent were messages
> from philnancy and Gorman, disputing the truth in their roles as
> perceived ADL agents.

No, we are exposing the lies of Holocaust Deniers and Jew haters. If
you have any evidence of "truth" we are disputing, kindly produce it,
otherwise, like your foolishness about "perceived ADL agents", it will
be dismissed.

 So I made an e-mail rule to trash them
> immediately, and they will no longer clutter my e-mail or compete for
> my time. We don't have time to kill, time kills us. Others of similar
> vein will be added to the delete to trash list, as it seems that maybe
> a third of all messages are of similar junk mail types.

Of course, don't listen to anyone but those who already share your
bizarre views! It's that type of ignorance which assures you all the
fringe status you enjoy today and tomorrow.

>
> On the other hand, let me know if I should just quit, and leave the
> list to those who enjoy wrestling the Khazar swine. Vaya Con Dios,
Andy

Go ahead an quit, Jew hater, it's not as if you've contributed anything
to the group!

Thus is revealed the intellectual  cowardice of those who prefer to
believe lies because it serves their hateful agenda.

Philip Mathews

>

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Subject: [13texan] Re: A Peaceful Day
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:35:15 EDT
From: Jann186@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

AMEN Andy....I agree wholeheartedly

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Subject: [13texan] Re: TRR BY GOT, A BIGOT!
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:47:30 +0100
From: "Pastor James P.S. Templeton" 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: <13texan@egroups.com>

Pastor Alan Campbell has a different version of the word bigot. I will try
abd get it for you, Jim
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From:   Charles [mailto:dogpatch@bellsouth.net]
Sent:   21 August 1999 6:12 AM
To:     13texan@egroups.com
Subject:        [13texan] Re: TRR BY GOT, A BIGOT!

big·ot (b¹g"...t)
        n.      1. One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race,
or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
                [ French from Old French]
        Notes:  A bigot may have more in common with God than one might think.
Legend has it that Rollo, the first duke of Normandy, refused to kiss
the foot of the French king Charles III, uttering the phrase bi got, his
borrowing of the assumed Old English equivalent of our expression by
God. Although this story is almost certainly apocryphal, it is true that
bigot was used by the French as a term of abuse for the Normans, but not
in a religious sense. Later, however, the word, or very possibly a
homonym, was used abusively in French for the Beguines, members of a
Roman Catholic lay sisterhood. From the 15th century on Old French bigot
meant "an excessively devoted or hypocritical person." Bigot is first
recorded in English in 1598 with the sense "a superstitious hypocrite."

The American Heritage(r) Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition
(c) 1992 Houghton Mifflin Co. Electronic version lic'd from and portions (c)
1994 InfoSoft Int'l, Inc. All rts rsvd.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Our Reaction To The Jew
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:45:09 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

In a message dated 9/10/99 9:38:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
philnancy@aol.com writes:

<< True Israel's! So you accept that foolishness as well I see. Is there
 any nutball theory you don't embrace?
  >>

Michael says: We do not embrace the theory that you have any intelligence.

<< And the despicable Jew hater reveals himself again. Thanks for
 demonstrating why you are yours are such a loathsome group, operating
 in the dark recesses of society, meriting the abhorence of decent
 people everywhere.

 Philip Mathews >>

Philip,
If you were as smart as you thought you were you would realize that everyone
who has had any dealing with the Jew,  certainly has nothing but execration
for them. You speak of "operating in the dark recesses of society" as though,
through experience, you may prowl the streets late at night....where you meet
the decent  people you know.
Michael Snead
14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Hans Stark - Nazis Testify to Gassing At Auschwitz
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:03:03 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

jsavage wrote:

> Herb Gorman wrote:
>
> > Could you perhaps (while you're getting the evidence of the size of the "World
> > Jewish Navy" and "World Jewish Ari Force," and proving that everyone who
> > testified at Nuremberg was tortured...) back up your concise and probing
> > commentary with some, ah, evidence?
> >
> > What evidence, for instance, can you provide us to demonstrate that the Nazis did
> > not use Zyklon B to gas people, Michael?
> >
> > http://www2.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/auschwitz/
> >
> > What evidence, for instance, can you provide us which proves that there were no
> > homocidal gassings at Sobibor, Chelmno, Maidanek, Mauthausen, Belzec, Treblinka,
> > Hartheim, etc.?
> >
> > http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/camps/aktion-reinhard/
> > http://www2.nizkor.org/camps/chelmno/
> >
> > I'll jest sit here in the sun, and wait patiently while you go out and check
> > those sources, Michael... it's always a pleasure to chat with a scholar of your
> > caliber.
>
> Nonsense. It is you who parrot semitic crap from know nothing
> authors and websites and pretend its learning.

You, too then, have no evidence. Interesting.

http://www.observer.com/pages/frontpage4.htm

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Our Reaction To The Jew
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:03:07 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1037
> In a message dated 9/10/99 9:38:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> philnancy@aol.com writes:
>
> << True Israel's! So you accept that foolishness as well I see. Is
there
>  any nutball theory you don't embrace?
>   >>
>
> Michael says: We do not embrace the theory that you have any
intelligence.

Can you provide the evidence that you are a true Israeli, Michael? This
ought to be good!

>
>
> << And the despicable Jew hater reveals himself again. Thanks for
>  demonstrating why you are yours are such a loathsome group, operating
>  in the dark recesses of society, meriting the abhorence of decent
>  people everywhere.
>
>  Philip Mathews >>
>
>
> Philip,
> If you were as smart as you thought you were you would realize that
everyone
> who has had any dealing with the Jew,  certainly has nothing but
execration
> for them.

Oh really Mr. Genius, then if "everyone who has had any dealing with
the Jew" has your view, why are you and yours regarded as a collection
of hatefilled morons by anyone with more than two functioning neurons?
LOL!

 You speak of "operating in the dark recesses of society" as though,
> through experience, you may prowl the streets late at night....where
you meet
> the decent  people you know.

Yup, the dark recesses of society is where you operate. You are pond
scum, with one neuron!

Philip Mathews

> Michael Snead
> 14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Descriptions of Gassing At Auschwitz
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:05:14 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

SNEADSTER@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 9/9/99 4:24:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gormanh@home.com
> writes:
>
> << Do you have proof - ANY proof - whatsoever that anyone was tortured?
>
>  I thought not.
>
>   >>
> Do you have any proof they weren't? What proof do you have Herb....Show me
> some proof...afraid you might be called a liar? scratch that idea we already
> do that anyway. Show me the proof....

That's not the way the world works, Michael. You made the allegation that all of
the witnesses were tortured. That being the case, it's up to you to support your
contention by citing some evidence. It's revealing that you can't do that.

There is, by the way, no evidence to support such an allegation, but then you
knew that, didn't you, Michael?

http://www.observer.com/pages/frontpage4.htm

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Descriptions of Gassing At Auschwitz
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:13:18 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

SNEADSTER@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 9/9/99 4:28:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gormanh@home.com
> writes:
>
> << It was? Where is the evidence for this, Michael? I've read many hours'
> worth of
>  transcripts
> Written by liars.......Michael replies

Wonderful reply, Michael.... one minor problem, of course... you seem to have
forgotten to provide any evidence... Hmmm... who is it you're calling a liar
this time around.... The United States Printing Office, certainly, and, of
course, His Majesty's Stationery Office. Not bad, Michael.... but where is proof
that they both lied when they published the transcripts?

Since you are obviously familiar enough with the Nuremberg transcripts (all 50
volumes) to know that they are "written by liars," perhaps you would be kind
enough to cite specific "lies" so that we can look them up and discuss them?

How is it that you know of this, when no one else seems to know it, Michael?
http://www1.us.nizkor.org/hweb/imt/

How about the trial of Eichmann - are those transcripts all lies, too, Michael?

> (they are all over the net), and I've watched hours of film from the
>  trials themselves,
> manipulation.....just like any documentary the Jews are involved
> in...propaganda.....

So the Nuremberg trials didn't really happen! Do you believe the "moon landing"
was faked, too, Michael?

>  and I've read many books on the subject.
>
> again written by liars Herb...Michael writes

Wow! Now I'm REALLY impressed, Michael. You not only know which books I've read
(I haven't mentioned them - your psychic skills amaze and delight!). but you
know that they, too, were written by liars. Perhaps you could help everyone here
understand by listing these books that I have read on the subject, and the
specific lies they contain... that would be very kind of you, Michael...

> I have seen *no*evidence - none whatsoever - of torture. Please provide me
> with some evidence
>  here, Michael - assertions made without it are worthless.
>
>  Evidence, please.

Sorry, Charley - no tuna. You make assertions, you back them up with facts. (Go
ahead, Michael, I will jes set here a spell and wait on ya....)

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Subject: [13texan] Ask G.W.Bush this
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:17:08 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: Rush@eibnet.com

Rush,
    Now that the mainstream press has browbeat the truth out of George W.
Bush (he's been cocaine-clean for at least twenty-five years), that's
no reason for reporters to let up now.  There's blood in the water -- and
who knows what other evil lurks in the heart of this seemingly
mild-mannered Texan.

The media must press the issues of the morality and conduct issues and ask
 Bush on all relevant questions.  Here are a just few he has failed to
address:

 1) Has your wife ever had an affair with your lawyer, after which he
ended up shot to death in some out of the way park?

 2) Has a Texas State trooper ever brought a woman to your hotel room
      who later claimed you exposed yourself and asked her to "kiss it"?

 3) Did you ever rape a nursing home operator who had volunteered to
help elect you governor?

 4) Has your wife ever fired the entire Texas State travel office and
 then had its employees maliciously prosecuted on bogus embezzlement
charges?

 5) Did you ever instruct the Texas Air National Guard to attack
Oklahoma on the same day your ex-girlfriend was scheduled to testify before
a
grand jury?

 6) How many of your close friends and associates have been indicted
           or have died prematurely in suspicious accidents or suicides?

 7) Have you ever called Mario Cuomo a Mafiosi on tape?

 8) Did you ever travel to Moscow at the height of the Cold War after
 protesting against America on foreign soil?

 9) Did you ever lie to an ROTC Colonel after getting your third
Vietnam draft notice?

 10) Do you have any brothers who say you have a nose like a vacuum
 cleaner and repeatedly use the "N" word on police surveillance
videotape?

11) Does your wife think your mother and grandmother abused you?

12) Do you do anything with cigars besides smoke them?

13) Do you always soak your cigars in cider?   ..

Michael Snead
Woodstock Ga.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Jews Forced America Into World War II
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:27:43 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

SNEADSTER@aol.com wrote:

> Herb, regardless of what the Jew did or didn't have They declared war on
> Germany in March of 1933. I provided that information once, Go look in the
> archives of this list.

No, Michael, you didn't. You made the claim, but you didn't back it up. There
is, you know, a difference. The article you quote, which I found at
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/orgs/british/daily-express/judea-declares-war,
says

The first headline reads "J U D E A   D E C L A R E S   W A R   O N   G E R M A
N Y ," Michael, so it supports what you allege.... but dawgGONNIT, Michael, I
sort of think you didn't read any further, you rascal, because the next three
headlines read:

 " JEWS OF ALL THE WORLD UNITE
  BOYCOTT OF GERMAN GOODS
  MASS DEMONSTRATIONS"

Boy! Unity! Boycott! DemonSTRAshuns! I can see why Hitler and his criminal pals
were frightened near to death! Those darned Jews were going to quit buying
Daimler-Benz cars! Hey, no WONDER Hitler wanted to murder them all!

This is indeed a fascinating read, Michael. I am SO glad you brought it to our
attention.... let's see what else the article says, shall we?

(1) "A strange and unforeseen sequel has emerged from the stories of
  German Jew-baiting."

Hmmm..... that tells us that the Germans started things, doesn't it, Michael?
That's important, and I'm surprised that you forgot to mention it!

(2) "The whole of Israel throughout the world is uniting to declare
  an economic and financial war on Germany."

"Economic," "financial." Hmmmm... no ships, no planes, no armies, no guns...
just an economic boycott.... I thought you'd have mentioned that one, too,
Michael... you devious rascal, you, you were hoping we wouldn't read it, weren't
you?

(3) "Hitherto the cry has gone up: "Germany is persecuting the Jews."
  If the present plans are carried out, the Hitlerite cry will be:
  "The Jews are persecuting Germany."

I know that you, Michael, as a Bible reading man, will appreciate accurate
prophecy when you see it, right? Ironic, isn't it - they were writing about you!

(4 - 7)

" All Israel is rising in wrath against the Nazi onslaught on
    the Jews. Adolf Hitler, swept into power by an appeal of
    elemental patriotism, is making history of a kind he least
    expected. Thinking to unite only the German nation to race
    consciousness, he has roused the whole Jewish people to
    national renascence.

  The appearance of the Swastika symbol of a new Germany has
  called forth the Lion of Judah, the old battle symbol of
  Jewish defiance.

  Fourteen million Jews, dispersed throughout the world, have
  banded together as one man to declare war on the German
  persecutors of their co-religionists. Sectional differences
  and antagonisms  have been submerged in one common aim -
  to stand by the
  600,000 Jews of Germany who are terrorised by Hitlerite
  anti-Semitism and to compel Fascist Germany to end its
  campaign of violence and suppression directed against its
  Jewish minority."

The Jews of Germany "who are terrorised by Hitlerite anti-Semitism," Michael...
there's another clue you, ah, forgot to mention....

There's a great deal more, of course, but I think it is clear that this "war"
was a clear and united Jewish response to Nazi racism.

Which is, of course, what we all knew in the first place.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Hans Stark - Nazis Testify to Gassing At Auschwitz
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:32:11 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

SNEADSTER@aol.com wrote:

> Herb, If you are so articulate in your reading you will see that I said that
> "the Jews declared war on Germany on March 24, 1933" You brought up the fact
> that that they had now ships or planes.....just ignorance on the Jews part to
> pick on someone bigger than they are. So the planes and the boats, ships and
> tanks, trains and buses are irrelevant to this fact....THE JEWS DECLARED WAR
> ON GERMANY ON MARCH 24, 1933.........

No, Michael, they did not. One newspaper used that phrase to describe a call for
an economic boycott of Germany in response to German racism. One copyright editor
does not a declaration of war make, even if you wish it were so. The article does
talk about you, though, when it says:

  "Hitherto the cry has gone up: "Germany is persecuting the Jews."
  If the present plans are carried out, the Hitlerite cry will be:
  "The Jews are persecuting Germany."

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/orgs/british/daily-express/judea-declares-war

>  What evidence, for instance, can you provide us to demonstrate that the
> Nazis did
>  not use Zyklon B to gas people, Michael?
>   >>
>
> Well Herb, I have the evidence and I will be sending it sometime tonight or
> tomorrow...it is a lot of information and will take a while to get it
> together and put it to words.

That's more than fair, Michael... while I'm waiting, I'm going to read an article
in next week's New York Observer that deals with this subject.... you might want
to read it, too. You can see it at http://www.observer.com/pages/frontpage4.htm

I hope you find it of interest, Michael....

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Our Reaction To The Jew
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:36:01 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

In a message dated 9/10/99 2:11:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
philnancy@aol.com writes:

<< Oh really Mr. Genius, then if "everyone who has had any dealing with
 the Jew" has your view, why are you and yours regarded as a collection
 of hatefilled morons by anyone with more than two functioning neurons?
 LOL!
  >>
Philip,
    You spending half of your time trying to be witty only makes you a
half-wit, not bad, though, coming from an MD (Mentally Deficient). You were
born stupid and now it appears that you have had a relapse. I was wondering
though...how long has your electroencephalogram shown a flat line?
Michael Snead
14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Our Reaction To The Jew
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:52:36 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1044
> In a message dated 9/10/99 2:11:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> philnancy@aol.com writes:
>
> << Oh really Mr. Genius, then if "everyone who has had any dealing
with
>  the Jew" has your view, why are you and yours regarded as a
collection
>  of hatefilled morons by anyone with more than two functioning
neurons?
>  LOL!
>   >>
> Philip,
>     You spending half of your time trying to be witty only makes you
a
> half-wit, not bad, though, coming from an MD (Mentally Deficient).

And your spineless abandonment of any pretense of support for you
ludicrous assertions demonstrates the bankruptcy of those ideas,
something we've known all along.

 You were
> born stupid and now it appears that you have had a relapse. I was
wondering
> though...how long has your electroencephalogram shown a flat line?

Very good Michael. What do you do when you exhaust the inventory in the
"Wit for the Witless" software package?

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Zyklon B Gas
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:18:46 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
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    During a criminal trial, scientific evidence is the most powerful,
because it can be validated objectively and proven scientifically. There is
no scientific evidence indicating mass gassings at Auschwitz or any other
German concentration camp. The United States Army had toxicology experts do
autopsies on hundreds of dead in the Nazi concentration camps. Human remains
can show signs of cyanide poisoning for years. no scientific evidence existed
that even one of the victims were gassed to death. Nor do records of
autopsies by Russian doctors in Eastern European camps show any evidence of
gassing.
    Although autopsies had been performed, the results were not presented at
Nuremberg. Why? It would not have served fruitful for the prosecution because
none of the deaths could be blamed on poison gas. In every murder trial the
prosecution is to show the cause of death. In the most publicized murder
trial ever, the proof of the cause of death is conspicuously absent. If the
Nazis had really gassed people by the millions, would not the prosecution
have produced at least one autopsy proving the cause of death to be poisoning
by the cyanide produced by Zyklon B?
    Holocaust gurus purport that one "proof" of the gassing of human beings
is the great quantity of Zyklon B used at Auschwitz during the war.
Attempting to rebut revisionist questioning of gas chambers, Jean Claude
Pressac, a French chemist, in his book Auschwitz: Techniques and Operation of
the Gas Chambers,supplies data showing the large consumption of Zylon B at
Auschwitz. A logical explanation is that the Germans used the chemical in an
effort to control the epidemics that ravaged the camps.
    The data published by Pressac himself shows that the per capita of Zyklon
B used in the Auschwitz concentration camp was similar to Zylon B consuption
in the German camps such as Oranienburg, where the experts admit that no
human gassing took place. If Auschwitz was the great center of extermination,
and if Zylon B was the poison used, how could it be that the records of the
chemical's purchase
and usage show no greater consumption at Auschwitz than at the concentration
camps where Zylon B was used strictly for the infestation and where there
were no alleged gassings? Pressac also inadvertantly revealed  that the coke
cunsumption was no greater per capita in Auschwitz than the camps in Germany
where extermination is not alleged.
    In 1988, the Canadian government charged Holocaust questioner Ernst
Zundel with violating an archaic law against "spreading false news." Defense
attorneys in this criminal case commissioned an American engineering
consultant on prison gas chambers, Fred Leuchter, to make a scientific
examination of the homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz. Leuchter, apolitical
person, is perhaps the premier authority in the United States on the
construction and use of execution equipment, and he was actually in charge of
the design and construction of execution facilities used in a number of
American prisons.
    In his investigation, Leuchter surveyed the construction of the alleged
gas chambers and researched the chemical properties of the Zylon B  fumigant.
He found that Zylon B is a compound that, when exposed to air, releases
deadly potassium cyanide gas. It clings to surfaces and has the tendencies to
react chemically with materials containing iron (ferric compounds), creating
a ferricyanide. If Zylon B is used in iron chambers or in red brick
structures, it reacts wit ferrous (iron) material to produce a distinctive
blue color. The printing ink industry has used these chemical reactions for
decades to produce a distinctive color called Prussian Blue. Random House
Webster's Electronic Dictionary, 1992 edition. defines it as follows:
Prussian Blue n 1. a moderate to deep greenish blue.  2. a dark blue,
crystalline, water-insoluable ferrocyanide pigment, used in painting fabric
printing and laundry bluing.
    Not only did Leuchter find that the supposed homicidal gas chambers at
Auschwitz were structurally unsuitable for gassing, he also took samples from
the walls and had them chemically analyzed. Independent laboratories in the
United Statesfound no evidence of ferricyanide compounds. Yet, when Leuchter
examined the rooms used as disinfestation chambers for clothes and luggage,
he readily observed the distictive blue coloring associated with
ferricyanide. After further chemical analysis of the samples, he proved that
the disinfection walls had heavy concentrations of the ferricyanide caused by
exposer to cyanide.
    Leuchter also pointed out that the disinfestation chambers used for
delousing clothes were well made, airtight, and designed for safety. On the
other hand, the supposed human gas chambers were shoddily constructed. He ask
why gas chambers for killing lice would be properly engineered, whereas
chambers allegedly for killing millions of people would be improperly
engineered and constructed- and dangerous for its alleged operators.
    A year after the Leuchter controversial finding, the Auschwitz Museum
itself duplicated the tests and arrived to the same conclusion and their
feeble explanation is for the lack of ferricyanide in the supposed chambers
is that "it somehow dissipated" in the disinfestation chambers. Yet they
offer no explanation for why the dissipation hadn't happened in the delicing
chambers.

        To Be Continued..........


x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x

     John Demjanjuka naturalized American working  as an autoworker from
Eastern Europe was accused of being Ivan the Terrible a guard at Treblinka
accused of killing hundreds. The eye witnesses came forward in droves,  all
pointing their wicked fingers, crying and cursing this man. The stories that
were told that this evil man did were unbelievable. There were pictures and
documents that the KGB(Soviet, Jewish controlled) provided and it looked
bleak for the autoworker. The documents provided for the trial by the KGB
along with the pictures ended up being forgeries.  The Israeli Supreme Court
had to agree that even the eyewitness accounts weren't credible.
Michael Snead
14/88
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Subject: [13texan] Re: Hans Stark - Nazis Testify to Gassing At Auschwitz
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:27:52 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

    When you declare war, you better be ready for war.If you come to my house
and they allow you into the club entrance and you stand out in my yard
telling me you are going to kick my butt....I will go to the phone and make
two telephone calls...One for a wrecker to tow your vehicle off and an
ambulance to haul you off. Now the Jews should have expected some kind of
retaliation. Hitler of course called for a boycott too that put a hurting
(self inflicted) on the Jews of Germany.
Michael Snead
14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Hans Stark - Nazis Testify to Gassing At Auschwitz
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:36:44 -0400
From: jsavage 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Herb Gorman wrote:
>
> jsavage wrote:
>
> > Herb Gorman wrote:
> >
> > > Could you perhaps (while you're getting the evidence of the size of the "World
> > > Jewish Navy" and "World Jewish Ari Force," and proving that everyone who
> > > testified at Nuremberg was tortured...) back up your concise and probing
> > > commentary with some, ah, evidence?
> > >
> > > What evidence, for instance, can you provide us to demonstrate that the Nazis did
> > > not use Zyklon B to gas people, Michael?
> > >
> > > http://www2.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/auschwitz/
> > >
> > > What evidence, for instance, can you provide us which proves that there were no
> > > homocidal gassings at Sobibor, Chelmno, Maidanek, Mauthausen, Belzec, Treblinka,
> > > Hartheim, etc.?
> > >
> > > http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/camps/aktion-reinhard/
> > > http://www2.nizkor.org/camps/chelmno/
> > >
> > > I'll jest sit here in the sun, and wait patiently while you go out and check
> > > those sources, Michael... it's always a pleasure to chat with a scholar of your
> > > caliber.
> >
> > Nonsense. It is you who parrot semitic crap from know nothing
> > authors and websites and pretend its learning.
>
> You, too then, have no evidence. Interesting.
>

No...I just paraphrased the remarks of mathews....of course
you never responded to his in this manner...thus showing
the true hypocrite (todays meaning) that you are....

js
--
Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite
a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew".

                                       The 1980 Jewish Almanac

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Vital information within these first 6 chapters
     of Genesis
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:48:04 -0600
From: Ed Kadach 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

At 11:41 AM 9/10/99 EDT, jann wrote:
> Be WISER than the serpent:  Check out all of the information within these 6
>chapters in detail, you might be surprised as to what is written in the
>scriptures when you go into an indepth study of these chapters.
>
>Gensis chapter 1  HREF="http://www.biblestudies.org/gen2.htm">Genesis Chapter 2  HREF="http://www.biblestudies.org/gen3.htm">Genesis chapter 3  HREF="http://www.biblestudies.org/gen4.htm">Genesis Chapter 4  HREF="http://www.biblestudies.org/gen5.htm">Genesis Chapter 5  HREF="http://www.biblestudies.org/gen6.htm">Genesis Chapter 6
>
>We are exhorted by our Father to seek knowledge with understanding and
>WISDOM.  (check out ALL references)
>
>Blessings in the name of YHVH, jann

Thanks for providing these sites to us. I for one will check them out.

YHWH Bless,

Ed Kadach

"All truth passes through three stages. First,
it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
---Schopenhauer

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Our Reaction To The Jew
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:54:31 -0600
From: Ed Kadach 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

At 06:37 AM 9/10/99 -0700, you wrote:
>philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
>original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1024
>>
>>
>> Given the fact that the Jews are the children of the Devil, as our
>LORD said
>> they were....And given the fact that there never was a Jewish
>holocaust in
>> Europe; that Mr. Hitler treated the Jews much kinder than he should
>> have.....These facts are indisputable, and beyond reproach.
>
>There isn't a fact in the entire paragraph, just the raving of a lying
>Jew hater. Where does the Lord say Jews are the children of the Devil?
>
>
>>
>> I would like to see some posts on what true Israel's(the Anglo-Saxon,
>> Germanic, and kindred people of the earth) reaction to the Jews
>should be in
>> 1999....What attacks can we make on the enemies of Jesus?....Jude
>tells us
>> to contend for the faith...
>
>True Israel's! So you accept that foolishness as well I see. Is there
>any nutball theory you don't embrace?
>
>
>>
>> ...We know that we can pray for their deaths, as the Psalmist did
>when he
>> prayed that even infant Jews be smashed against the rocks......And
>this is
>> very effective.....We also know that we are never to bid a Jew
>godspeed, nor
>> allow them into our homes, as the Scriptures teach us....For when we
>help a
>> Jew in any way, we then become a partaker of their evil deeds..
>
>And the despicable Jew hater reveals himself again. Thanks for
>demonstrating why you are yours are such a loathsome group, operating
>in the dark recesses of society, meriting the abhorence of decent
>people everywhere.
>
>Philip Mathews

The words and wisdom that many of us have wished to share with you
have all gone for nought. It is high time for some of us Identity
believers not to engage you in any further discussion for we are
casting our pearls before the swine.

YHWH Bless,

Ed Kadach

"All truth passes through three stages. First,
it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
---Schopenhauer

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Subject: [13texan] Re: A Peaceful Day
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:57:56 -0600
From: Ed Kadach 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

At 08:31 AM 9/10/99 -0700, Andy wrote:
>Late last night I logged on for my e-mail, and downloaded 252 messages,
>after being off line for two days. Twent-five percent were messages
>from philnancy and Gorman, disputing the truth in their roles as
>perceived ADL agents. So I made an e-mail rule to trash them
>immediately, and they will no longer clutter my e-mail or compete for
>my time. We don't have time to kill, time kills us. Others of similar
>vein will be added to the delete to trash list, as it seems that maybe
>a third of all messages are of similar junk mail types. This list could
>well die of congestion from the convolution of the myriad "arguments"
>that some persist in engaging in, with the public display of flinging
>verbal feces back and forth with those who delight in it. This is my
>appeal for everyone on the list to trash the ADL/Khazar types without
>reading their verbal scat, ignore them, freeze them out. I do, you
>ought to too, lest this list wither and fail, as a garden might fail,
>by failing to prune, removing the thorns, and allowing weeds to choke
>everything good that may grow.
>
>On the other hand, let me know if I should just quit, and leave the
>list to those who enjoy wrestling the Khazar swine. Vaya Con Dios, Andy

Very well said Andy. The time has come to delete their posts to the
trash bin.

Regards,

Ed Kadach

"All truth passes through three stages. First,
it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
---Schopenhauer

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Zyklon B Gas
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:59:23 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
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SNEADSTER@aol.com wrote:

>     During a criminal trial, scientific evidence is the most powerful,
> because it can be validated objectively and proven scientifically. There is
> no scientific evidence indicating mass gassings at Auschwitz or any other
> German concentration camp. The United States Army had toxicology experts do
> autopsies on hundreds of dead in the Nazi concentration camps. Human remains
> can show signs of cyanide poisoning for years. no scientific evidence existed
> that even one of the victims were gassed to death. Nor do records of
> autopsies by Russian doctors in Eastern European camps show any evidence of
> gassing.

Michael, are you familiar with the name Dr. Charles Larson? He was a forensic
expert the Army sent to Dachau... here's what he had to say about the situation
there:

"The majority died of natural diseases of one kind or the another. However, we
did probe into such questions as, 'What happened to those prisoners who became
     psychotic at Dachau? What did the Gestapo do with them?' Well, they took
those people to the crematorium. First, however, they were taken to a big
windowless building  next to the crematorium where the ceiling was covered with
false shower heads. The victims were then ordered to strip and take a 'shower.'
Outside the building, guards  dropped in cyanide pellets. Then they'd blow the
cyanide gas out and remove the bodies next door to the crematorium ovens. I think
this is what happened to most of the  truly psychotic prisoners and those they
considered unruly and unmanageable and who, in the Gestapo's opinion, were
incorrigibles. But, in my opinion, only relatively few of the inmates I
personally examined at Dachau were murdered in this manner. Still, medical
facilities were totally inadequate. When people fell hopelessly ill and death
was imminent, and when they grew so weak they could no longer work or function,
they were taken to the cyanide room for disposal. The Nazi called them 'mercy
killings'  because there was no hope of them getting well. Actually, the Germans
considered them a liability, and extermination was the answer." ('Crime Doctor,'
McCallum &  Larson, p. 61. ISBN 0-916076-20-2; Library of Congress Catalog
Number: 78-16403)

At Auschwitz, as we know from captured documents and testimony from the Nazis
themselves, the bodies had been disposed of and the crematoria at Birkenau
destroyed long before the Soviets showed up.

At Belzec, the site is under active investigation, and the initial report states
that rotting human flesh, burned and unburned human bones, and blackened, melted
layers of human fat have been identified in the mass graves.

>     Although autopsies had been performed, the results were not presented at
> Nuremberg. Why? It would not have served fruitful for the prosecution because
> none of the deaths could be blamed on poison gas. In every murder trial the
> prosecution is to show the cause of death. In the most publicized murder
> trial ever, the proof of the cause of death is conspicuously absent. If the
> Nazis had really gassed people by the millions, would not the prosecution
> have produced at least one autopsy proving the cause of death to be poisoning
> by the cyanide produced by Zyklon B?

Nuremberg was not a murder trial, Michael - as an expert in the field, I'm
surprised you didn't know that. Be that as it may, however, there was no need for
such evidence - none of the defendants denied - not once - that these events
occured.
(You really should pay more attention to the literature you decide to copy,
Michael, and avoid embarrassment.)

>     Holocaust gurus purport that one "proof" of the gassing of human beings
> is the great quantity of Zyklon B used at Auschwitz during the war.
> Attempting to rebut revisionist questioning of gas chambers, Jean Claude
> Pressac, a French chemist, in his book Auschwitz: Techniques and Operation of
> the Gas Chambers,supplies data showing the large consumption of Zylon B at
> Auschwitz. A logical explanation is that the Germans used the chemical in an
> effort to control the epidemics that ravaged the camps.

Not really - that's certainly what they did with most of it, but 5-10% of it was
used to murder human beings.

>     The data published by Pressac himself shows that the per capita of Zyklon
> B used in the Auschwitz concentration camp was similar to Zylon B consuption
> in the German camps such as Oranienburg, where the experts admit that no
> human gassing took place. If Auschwitz was the great center of extermination,
> and if Zylon B was the poison used, how could it be that the records of the
> chemical's purchase and usage show no greater consumption at Auschwitz than at
> the concentration camps where Zylon B was used strictly for the infestation and
> where there were no alleged gassings? Pressac also inadvertantly revealed  that
> the coke cunsumption was no greater per capita in Auschwitz than the camps in
> Germany where extermination is not alleged.

See above - only 5% or so was needed for the extermination process. By the way,
Michael, did you know that the covers for the gas introduction vents have been
discovered? Holocaust deniers have claimed that they never existed... surprise!

>     In 1988, the Canadian government charged Holocaust questioner Ernst
> Zundel with violating an archaic law against "spreading false news." Defense
> attorneys in this criminal case commissioned an American engineering
> consultant on prison gas chambers, Fred Leuchter, to make a scientific
> examination of the homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz. Leuchter, apolitical
> person, is perhaps the premier authority in the United States on the
> construction and use of execution equipment, and he was actually in charge of
> the design and construction of execution facilities used in a number of
> American prisons.

Did you know that Leuchter has a degree in history, Michael, and no training in
engineering whatsoever?

Did you know that the judge in the Zundel case said he had no expertise?

Did you know that he invalidated his own tests by not telling the chemist (who
*does* have scientific training, unlike Leuchter) what, precisely, he wanted
tested? You see, Michael, cyanide gas will only penetrate a few microns of
concrete, but Leuchter took big *chunks* from the walls of the gas chambers, and
didn't tell the chemist what he was looking for. You know what that means,
Michael? It means the sample - assuming Leuchter had the right stuff in the first
place - was worthless, because Leuchter didn't tell the chemist he was looking
for cyanide - had he done, the chemist would have tested the *surface* of the
large samples, instead of grinding the entire sample up and testing the whole
mess.

Dumb of Leuchter, wasn't it?

>   Not only did Leuchter find that the supposed homicidal gas chambers at
> Auschwitz were structurally unsuitable for gassing, he also took samples from
> the walls and had them chemically analyzed. Independent laboratories in the
> United Statesfound no evidence of ferricyanide compounds. Yet, when Leuchter
> examined the rooms used as disinfestation chambers for clothes and luggage,
> he readily observed the distictive blue coloring associated with
> ferricyanide. After further chemical analysis of the samples, he proved that
> the disinfection walls had heavy concentrations of the ferricyanide caused by
> exposer to cyanide.

For a scientific review of the gas chambers - one made by a real forensics
laboratory that knew how to handle samples (Leuchter didn't, as we have seen),
see
http://www3.ca.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/polish/institute-for-forensic-research/ -
here are their final remarks:

"The present study shows that in spite of the passage of a considerable period of
time (over 45 years) in the walls of the facilities which once were in contact
with hydrogen cyanide the vestigial amounts of the combinations of this
constituent of Zyklon B have been preserved. This is also true of the ruins of
the former gas chambers. The cyanide compounds occur in the building materials
only locally, in the places where the conditions arose for their formation and
persistence for such a long time.

In his reasoning Leuchter (2) claims that the vestigial amounts of cyanide
combinations detected by him in the materials from the chamber ruins are residues
left after fumigations carried out in the Camp "once, long ago"(Item 14.004 of
the Report). This is refuted by the negative results of the examination of the
control samples from living quarters, which are said to have been subjected to a
single gassing, and the fact that in the period of fumigation of the Camp in
connection with a typhoid epidemic in mid-1942 there were still no crematoria in
the Birkenau Camp. The first crematorium (Crematorium II) was put to use as late
as 15 March 1943 and the others several months later. "

Sorry about that, Michael, but I knew you were a true seeker of truth, so I
thought I'd share that with you.... Leuchter's report is garbage.

>  A year after the Leuchter controversial finding, the Auschwitz Museum
> itself duplicated the tests and arrived to the same conclusion and their
> feeble explanation is for the lack of ferricyanide in the supposed chambers
> is that "it somehow dissipated" in the disinfestation chambers. Yet they
> offer no explanation for why the dissipation hadn't happened in the delicing
> chambers.

Really, Michael? According to the Auschwitz State Museum, they have *never*
tested - as noted earlier, however, the Polish "Institute of Forensic Research,"
at Cracow, has - twice. Their conclusions were the same, both times - read them
yourself, Michael. I can't understand why you would say something that silly,
when all you had to do was fax the museum and ask them... had you done so, you
wouldn't have included that part, and wouldn't have embarrassed yourself so much.

Pity.

Hey, don't take it so hard - it's tough when you're fed that kind of information
and don't know enough about it to spot the meadow muffins, ain't it?

http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/leuchter

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Subject: [13texan] Talmud-13-Christian Zionists
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:59:57 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

The follow is an article that Willie Martin wrote that I felt the necessity
to share with all of you at this point. Some of the parts of the Talmud are
repeated from what I posted but I didn't want to change what he has worked so
hard to write.
Michael Snead
14/88

Glamorous Purim Formula

    Exterminate Anti-Semitic Termites As Our Ancestors Did 2,500 Years Ago
"The Purim festival offers a formula to combat anti-Semitism. And no wonder,
since it was during those Purim days, just about twenty-five hundred years
ago that Jews lived for the first time in their history in Galuth. And it was
then that Jews met the anti-Semite face to face - and triumphed over him.

    To the question, how did he do it? a rereading of the Book of Esther will
afford the answer. No, there was no miracle about it at all. Fact is, the
Purim festival is unique in this respect that nothing supernatural is
mentioned in its connection. It is also unique in that the name of God does
not occur in the entire story. It presents just this one problem, the problem
of anti-Semitism and affords a realistic solution, which seems to have a
substantial amount of merit.

    And yet it is this holiday about which poets have composed songs and
ditties beginning with the Mediaeval Shoshanat Yakob to "Haman was a Wicked
Man" and "In Shu Shu shu shu" so popular in our American Sunday schools. It
is this festival which has evoked not a few of the great masterpieces by the
master-painters of Christendom which are exhibited in the finest National
Museums and Galleries in many a European Capital. These Purim paintings are
to be found even among the priceless objects d'art which Goering and his
hoodlums have looted and hidden away, now to be rediscovered one by one by
American art experts. Purim launched the Yiddish Theatre with Esther as the
charming heroine, Mordecai the popular hero, and Haman the villain par
excellence. In the sunny climates of Italy and Southern France Purim
carnivals were in vogue while in German and Hollandish Synagogues Haman was
burnt in effigy and with unrestrained glee. To this very day in a thousand
Synagogues his name is hissed and mimicked on Megillah night to the
accompaniment of haman klappers and every other variety of festive noisemaker.

    Dealing as it does with the most serious problem of Jewish life, the
perennial curse of anti-Semitism, the festival has yet become the merriest
and the gayest in the Jewish calendar.  The Order of the Day includes wine
drinking, the Purim Seuda or Banquet to top off the holiday which has been
launched on Megillah night by the public reading of the Story of Esther. It
by no means neglects the giving of charity to the poor and it stresses the
practice of Shalach Mones or the Exchange of Presents among relatives and
friends. Every ear mark of festivity lends its bit of gaiety to make this the
most glamorous of Jewish holidays. And so it goes.

    But why all this? For the very simple reason that the Purim festival
spelled to Every Jew of Every Generation the call to fight the good fight
with a pretty definite assurance that victory and triumph were just right
around the corner. The Purim story mirrored the precariousness and the
uniqueness of Jewish Life in Exile. Withal it reemphasizes the story-book
formula that all's well that ends well, and every Jew lived happily ever
after.

    In every way Jewish life as lived in the Purim story mirrors Jewish life
outside of Palestine in every age and epoch of Jewish history. Mordecai and
Esther had Persian names, they spoke the language of the country of their
adoption, they participated in the life about them, they attained posts of
honor and of prestige. And simultaneously they had their own organized Jewish
life and they adhered to their faith and to their traditions. And then
anti-Semitism struck.

    The causes were the perennial causes: jealousy, race hatred, the Jews
were aliens, they were - that greatest of unforgivable crimes - they were
DIFFERENT. In the words of the Megillat Esther, "Their laws are diverse from
those of every people; neither keep they the king's laws." Haman too alludes
to the loot which would be poured into the Royal Treasury by confiscating
Jewish property, "I will pay ten thousand talents of silver to bring it into
the king's treasuries. There is too the genuine Hitlerian touch. Hitler
resentful of certain individual Jews, determined to revenge himself upon the
entire Jewish nation. Likewise Haman in his day, resented Mordecai and sought
to massacre all the Jews.

    The Purim formula demands the following elements: Self-respect, Unity,
Faith, Courage and Sacrifice.

    Self-respect - The Megillah is crystal clear on this point Mordecai the
Jew did not kneel nor did he prostrate. No matter what the price, his Jewish
self-respect permitted no compromises.

    Unity! Esther's counsel to Mordecai was, Go forth and assemble all the
Jews of Shushan. American Jewry must present a united front in combating its
enemies. This is a first essential prerequisite before the ranks can be
closed. It is a Must technique which every battle in human experience
prescribes. Jews of every religious denomination and of every sort and manner
of theoretical grouping, the maximum and the minimum Jews are duty bound to
keep well in mind Ben Franklin's revolutionary bonmot, If we don't hang
together we shall hang separately. Jews must learn to get along together and
to embark on common action, to achieve their goals and to protect their
rights.

    Faith! A people must have faith both in its destiny and in its own power
to achieve that destiny. " Enlargement and Deliverance will arise unto the
Jews from another source."

    Sacrifice! Yes, there must be those who, more alive to the problems of
Jewry and placed strategically where they can help their people, must be
willing to render the needful service even to the point of personal
sacrifice. Noblesse oblige. They who are endowed with health, or prestige or
influence, or talent - with the ammunition that plays a determining role in a
Democracy - must be induced to make use of their ammunition in the protection
of their fellow-Jews. For in the security of the entire Family of Israel is
assured the peace and the security of every individual Member of that Family.

    And lastly, Courage. The kind of courage that Mordecai and the Jews of
Shushan displayed was to meet the enemy in physical combat. It was the kind
of courage which the Allied soldier displayed when he met Nazi and Jap in
battle. It was the kind of courage the flower of the Jewish Youth of
Palestine exhibits in its battle for free entry to Palestine. For too many
thousand of years The Voice has been The voice of Jacob and the Hand was the
Hand of Esau forever raised against his brother. Perhaps the time has come
when roles should be changed. Let Esau whine and wail and protest to the
civilized world, and let Jacob raise his hand to fight the good fight.

    For the anti-Semite has no morality, and he has no conscience. He
understands but one language, and he must be dealt with on his own level. The
Purim Jews stood up for their lives American. Jews too must come to grips
with our contemporary anti-Semites. We must fill our jails with anti-Semitic
gangsters, we must fill our insane asylums with anti-Semitic lunatics, we
must combat every alien Jew-hater, we must harass and prosecute our Jew
baiters to the extreme limits of the laws, we must humble and shame our
anti-Semitic hoodlums to such an extent that none will wish to dare to become
'fellow-travelers.'" - "American Hebrew," March 1,1946.

    When you read this article, remember that it is the story of a Jew by the
name of Mordecai who deliberately prostituted his niece to the king in order
to gain the king's favor. It is not a story about God's protection of these
anti-Christs as our pastors would have us believe.

    Some of my Christian readers may ask: "What was Babylonia's influence on
Judaism in Europe? How did it affect European Jews?"

    The answer is that the Jews in the east and west received both the
written and oral law of Babylonia. It is still looked upon with deep
reverence by religious Jews everywhere. It might be worthwhile to point out
here that the vast majority of modern-day Jews are not religious at all, and
many of them are declared atheists or agnostics. This is especially true in
the State of Israel.

    While the Christian world, for the most part, abhors the concept of
Babylon, world Jewry adores it. In some parts of the world, in Ethiopia for
example, the Falasha Jews (black Jews), place the rabbis of Babylon first in
their daily prayers.

    The existence of a spirit world inhabited with evil spirits is mentioned
throughout the New Testament and we find numerous incidents where Christ and
His disciples drove out the possessing spirits. There is one hard, fast rule
observed throughout the entire Bible when dealing with evil spirits and that
is to leave them alone. Do not try and invoke them (call on them for help),
or even attempt to communicate with them. The gangster elements of the spirit
world will deceive the finite reasoning of human beings, if given a chance,
so leave them alone. No horoscopes! No ouija boards! No fortune telling!

    Where the Bible represents God as the Supreme Intelligence, Creator and
Ruler, the pagan and atheistic concept is that of "pantheism." Pantheism is
the belief that there is a great natural essence (something that exists),
about which the individual can know nothing. In pantheism, man is the big
shot. The Bible prophesies that the anti-Christ will be a personification of
this nature (see Isaiah 14:12-19; Daniel 11:36-38; Matthew 24:15 and Mark
13:14).

    This idea was expressed by the German Jewish philosopher Ludwig Feurbach,
over 100 years ago when he said:" Man will finally be truly free when he
realizes there is no god of man, but man himself."

    This idea took root in the diseased brain of a young Jewish radical named
Karl Mordecai Marx and became the foundation of modern communism.

    THE CABALA

    No book on Zionism would be complete without mention of the Cabala. "The
Universal Jewish Encyclopedia" (1943) says of it: Although Palestine was the
birthplace of Jewish mysticism, the land where the Cabala was conceived and
in which it attained its greatest importance was Babylon.

    The Cabala is a library of Jewish literature based on magic, spiritism,
and sheer pantheism. Rabbi Aaron ben Samuel is credited with bringing these
mysterious doctrines from Babylon to Italy about the middle of the 9th
century A.D. From there, it spread to most of the Christian countries of
Europe. The word CABAL, sometimes spelled KABBALAH, is Yiddish and means,
"tradition." It is a compilation of the traditions of paganism brought back
by the Jews on their return from Babylon.

    The ZOHAR, which complements The Talmud and is called the "book of
splendor," has been translated into several large volumes and is more
degenerate, if possible, than The Talmud itself.

    The world is explained by a chart which represents three copulating
triads (a group of three persons); male, female and offspring. The EN SOF
surrounding these is the god-essence which percolates through these three,
back into itself.

    "The Jewish Encyclopedia," p.472, under the heading of "Cabala," explains
it like this: "God is the infinite, unlimited being, to whom one can neither
make or ascribe any attributes (human, Ed.) whatsoever; who can be merely
described as EN SOF" (without end, Ed.)

    While the Talmud-Cabala explains life as a series of blind emanations,
the stooge of the Talmudists, the evolutionist Darwin, explains life as "self
development from matter, equally blind and without a Chief Engineer or
Designer." Karl Marx, in his Talmud formula for world power, calls this same
Cabalistic process "dialectical materialism," the very essence of Talmudic
communism.

    According to The Jewish Encyclopedia, the Cabala taught the exalted
position of man, "the true Jewish view of life, and one that appealed to
Talmudic Judaism." The Jew is recognized in the Cabala ... and it was the
Cabalists who developed Jewish magic, the casting of lots; (does that ring a
bell at the crucifixion?) necromancy (foretelling the future through
communications with the dead.); exorcism (the formula used for the casting
out of evil spirits) and astrology. These were all legitimized in Jewry,
although the Law of Moses demanded the death penalty for anyone who practiced
them. (Leviticus 20:27, Deuteronomy 18:10-12)

    The prophet Jeremiah foretold the destruction of this mighty Babylonian
system which now controls the world (Jeremiah 51:63-64), and our Lord Jesus
Christ added His own words in Revelation 18. Here we find that this world
system is held accountable before God for the blood of the prophets, the
saints and all that were slain upon the earth.

    In Matthew 23:31-35, as Christ faced the Pharisees eye to eye, He said to
them: "... Ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. Fill ye up
then the measure of your fathers. Ye serpents,... how can ye escape the
damnation of hell? Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men,
and scribes; and some of them ye shall kill and crucify... and persecute them
from city to city: that upon you (the Pharisees, Ed.) may come ALL the
righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel..."

    In this scathing manner, Christ linked the Pharisees of His time with the
Babylonian Red World Power to come and which He will ultimately destroy. A
reading of the foolishness and utter blasphemy of The Talmud will throw new
light on Christ's bitter denunciation of the Jewish leaders of whom He said
in Matthew 23:13-15: "...for ye shut up the kingdom of Heaven against men:
for ye neither go in yourselves,...."
    But Christ's bitter denunciation of the Pharisees reached even deeper
than the Pharisees themselves. In Matthew 23:15, Christ clearly states that
their converts become "twofold more the child of hell" than their convertors.
This can be clearly seen in the attitude of the so-called Christian Zionists
who are hell-bent on defending Zionism, no matter how evil it may be. Men
such as Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Jimmy Swaggart, Jack Van Impe, to name
a few.

    It can also be seen today in world affairs where the prostituted converts
of the great Pharisee banking and industrial czars are key men who are often
better fronts and more zealous than their masters in building up the Red
anti-Christ world. More and more we see so-called Christian leaders enter the
Zionist movement of World Brotherhood which is designed to destroy the
Christian world. Jesus clearly warned us in Matthew 6:24: "No man can serve
two masters...."

    Yet well-known Christian leaders such as those just mentioned give
credence and honor to the enemies of Christ who are clearly defined in I John
2:22-23. Then they turn their backs on the admonition given in II John 10-11
and encourage their people to do the same. Here, the Apostle John states that
anyone who gives aid and comfort in any way to the anti-Christs, becomes a
partaker in their evil deeds.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Hans Stark - Nazis Testify to Gassing At Auschwitz
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:00:32 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

SNEADSTER@aol.com wrote:

>     When you declare war, you better be ready for war.If you come to my house
> and they allow you into the club entrance and you stand out in my yard
> telling me you are going to kick my butt....I will go to the phone and make
> two telephone calls...One for a wrecker to tow your vehicle off and an
> ambulance to haul you off. Now the Jews should have expected some kind of
> retaliation. Hitler of course called for a boycott too that put a hurting
> (self inflicted) on the Jews of Germany.

That's all very CroMagnon of you Michael, and we're all trembling in suitable
terror... say, Michael, what would you do if I refused to buy your car?

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Hans Stark - Nazis Testify to Gassing At Auschwitz
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:02:44 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

jsavage wrote:

> > You, too then, have no evidence. Interesting.
>
> No...I just paraphrased the remarks of mathews....of course
> you never responded to his in this manner...thus showing
> the true hypocrite (todays meaning) that you are....

You still have no evidence... I just thought it was worth pointing out... I've noticed that
there seems to be a lot of that going around....  people make statements, and when those
statements are challenged, they try to change the subject, or toss what they suppose will
pass for an insult into the mix, but they don't produce any evidence.

Why is that, j?

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Subject: [13texan] Talmud 14-Jews only Humans
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:06:47 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
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The follow is an article that Willie Martin wrote that I felt the necessity
to share with all of you at this point. Some of the parts of the Talmud are
repeated from what I posted but I didn't want to change what he has worked so
hard to write.
Michael Snead
14/88

    At the time (approximately 96 A.D.) when the Spirit of Christ prompted
the Apostle John to write the book of Revelation, He had him mention the
...blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, (Judeans) and are not, but are
of the synagogue of Satan (Revelation 2:9 and 3:9).

    According to The Jewish Encyclopedia, the Jewish political party of the
Sadducees disappeared and the Pharisees were in complete control of Judaism.
In fact, the word Judaism is synonymous with Pharisaism.

    Whether these Jewish leaders were lineal descendants of Judah, was not
the issue. They had access to the Word of God, but instead of adhering to it,
they readily and eagerly adopted the pagan traditions of Babylon which
nullified the Commandments of God (See Matthew 15:3-9 and Mark 7:5-9).

    The Apostle Paul made it clear over and over again that the promise of
blessing to Abraham and his seed was to come, not through his "blood line,"
but through Christ. (This is a lesson many Identity Christians need to
learn.) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not,...
seeds, as of many; but as of ... ONE... which is Christ... And if ye be
Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
(Galatians 3:16,29)

    You may be of pure Abrahamic lineage, (I sincerely doubt that any such
man or woman exists) but you cannot enter the Kingdom or obtain to the
promises made to Abraham except through Jesus Christ. Maybe this truth is one
of the reasons that some people in Identity hate the Apostle Paul. In his own
words he said: Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the
truth? (Galatians 4:16)

    The question should rise in the mind of any discerning Christian whether
the Jewish boasts that they are the " seed of Abraham" has any genealogical
substance. Jesus repudiated this idea when He said,".... If ye were Abraham's
children, ye would do the works of Abraham. But now ye seek to kill me, a man
that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not
Abraham." (John 8:39-40)

    Are the present-day Jews the lineal descendants of the patriarch Judah?
The Zionist apologists such as Falwell and Robertson would say, "Yes, of
course!" But, the Holy Word of God gives us a different answer - a resounding
"NO!"

    According to the 1964 Jewish-American Press, over half of the Jews in
Palestine at that time were either Negroes or Orientals and, ever since,
there has been a constant war of  discrimination against these ethnic groups
and against Western or Sephardim Jews.

    Mrs. Dilling tells of attending a conference and sitting next to a
blue-eyed lady with a German accent. This lady boastingly said: "I am
Jewish." When Mrs. Dilling asked her, "How do you know you are Jewish? How
far back can you trace your ancestry?" the woman had no answer. She stated
that she had been trained in The Talmud in her synagogue before she had been
converted (?) to Christianity. When Mrs. Dilling told her, "I have spent
twenty years studying The Talmud," a terrible silence fell, and the woman
left during the singing of the next hymn. Apparently the Jewess had never met
a goy who knew what her Jewishness meant and was unable to cope with the
situation. She had posed as a "star" among Christians who assumed that she
was a "cousin of their Savior," when in reality she was an alien to the
Commonwealth of Israel.

    Most of the Christian people in America and Canada are similarly
misinformed. Their pastors do not give them facts, but constantly
propagandize them with the oft-repeated, "Jesus was a Jew," the "Jews are
God's Chosen People," and "either bless and help the Jews or you will come
under a curse from God." This latter is the one Falwell loves to quote.

    Shem, Ham and Japheth were the three sons of Noah. To be a Semite, one
must be a descendant of Shem. Just because a man or woman claims to be Jewish
does not mean they descended from Shem. The Negro comedian, Sammy Davis, Jr.,
claimed he was a Jew, yet I know of no Christian Zionist who is stupid enough
to claim that he descended from Shem. The same goes for Liz Taylor and many
other white people who have been seduced into Judaism.

    In Esther 8:17, approximately 510 B.C., we learn that many people of the
Persian Empire, which covered 127 provinces stretching from the Indian to the
Atlantic Ocean, became Jews for fear of the Jews." This did not mean that
these thousands, or possibly millions, of people were descendants of the
Tribe of Judah.

    When Moses died, approximately 1451 B.C.,Joshua led the Israelites into
Canaan, or Palestine as we-know it today. God warned him to drive out ALL the
inhabitants of the land lest the sexual abominations of the Canaanites, who
were descendants of the son of Ham, would cause Israel to sin (Genesis
10:15-18 and I Chronicles 1:13-16). A study of the books Joshua and Judges
will reveal that instead of driving out these heathen abominators, the
Israelites intermarried with them and adopted many of their abominable ways.
This is why we find the prophets thundering their denunciations against both
the House of Israel and the House of Judah. Finally in 721 B.C., God, in His
wrath against the northern ten tribed House of Israel, purposed that they be
taken into captivity east of the Euphrates River by the Assyrians. For all
intents and purposes, these people became lost to human history, but not to
God.

    The consequences of the prophets' dire warnings against the southern
Kingdom of Judah finally took place between 600-586 B.C. These people,
following in the footsteps of their brethren from the north, became even more
evil in their works. They were taken captive into Babylon, all except the
very poorest and basest of the people. Remember, most of this kingdom had
been carried away by the Assyrians at the time of the northern invasion.
Among those that were left, the cream of the crop was taken into Babylon.
There were only approximately 49,000 who eventually made their way
back to Palestine.

    Jacob, later called Israel, had twelve sons who fathered twelve tribes
who became known as the Children of Israel, or Israelites. Three of these
started their tribal history by marrying non-Israelite women. Judah married a
Canaanite woman, a descendant of Ham (Genesis 38). His offspring were Hamatic
as well as Semitic. Four hundred years later, around 1300 B.C., his
descendants through his half-Hamatic son, Shelah, were weavers and potters (I
Chronicles 2:3 and 4:21-23). Simeon, another of Israel's founding fathers,
married a Canaanite woman (Genesis 46:10).

    Egypt had been settled and peopled by the Mizrain, the descendants of
Ham. It was known as "the land of Ham" (Numbers 12:1; Psalm 78:51; Psalm
105:23; Psalm 106:22) Contrary to public belief, these people were white, not
black!

    Over and over again, in monotonous repetition, we read in the books of
Joshua and Judges how Israel triumphed over the Canaanites. Yet many
Israelites disobeyed God by allowing the Canaanite gods to remain in the
land, and eventually these Israelites intermarried with these captured
peoples. In Numbers 33:55, we read Moses' warning to Israel: But if ye will
not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; then it shall come
to pass, that those which ye let remain of them shall be pricks in your eyes,
and thorns in your sides, and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell.
Israel did not believe God then and they paid the price for their
disobedience. Modern Israel today, the white nations of Christendom, refuse
to obey God and are suffering the same penalties for their disobedience.

    The sins of the Northern Kingdom of Israel were those of inter-marriage
with the Canaanites and the making of altars of sin. They began to follow
after the abomination of those heathen people which God knew they would do if
they allowed them to remain in the land. One of those sins was the offering
of their children to the god Molech, just as we, their offspring, are
offering our unborn on the altars of "legalized abortion." Ephraim, the
dominant tribe of the Northern Kingdom, "hath mixed himself among the
people," (Hosea 7:8; 8:9-11). Isaiah called them the "drunkards of Ephraim "
(Isaiah 28:1-3). The charges against them were mixing with abominators and
whoring under every green tree (Isaiah 57:5 and Deuteronomy 12:2). This
hardly makes for a generation of purity.

    It is exceedingly difficult to understand how the modern-day Pharisees
have convinced the Christian world that the Jews stem from a pure
Judah-Israel stock, since Christians have access to Scriptural records which
prove otherwise. In Christ's time, when the Pharisees boasted of being
Abraham's children, He threw their boast back in their faces (Matthew 3:7-10;
John 8:33-44).

    When the Jews of today say: "We are the children of Abraham and are
therefore entitled to the land of Palestine," our answer should be, "So what!
Millions are!" After all, God told Abraham that he would someday be the
father of many nations (Genesis 17:5) and that his descendants would be as
the sand of the sea (many in number). Abraham did not father only the Tribe
of Judah from whom the Jews claim they come. He had sixteen offspring by his
wife Keturah from whom came the Midianites and hordes of mid-eastern peoples.
Through his son Ishmael, born of Hagar, he fathered twelve separate nations.
However, the great promise to Abraham was Jesus the Christ, not the Jews.

    Furthermore, Moses was not a Jew. He was a Levite on both sides of his
family (Exodus 2:1). Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were not Jews. There were no
people called Jews anywhere in the world until almost 1200 years after the
time of Abraham when they first appeared in II Kings 16:6, fighting with the
king of Syria and the king of Israel against Ahaz, the king of Judah. To call
Moses, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob Jews is a sign of ignorance at best, and
intellectual dishonesty at worst.

    Only one tribe, the tribe of Judah, has provided any possible ancestry to
the people known as Jews. This would comprise only a tiny minority today
since most modern-day Jews are Ashkenazim, who, according to The Jewish
Encyclopedia. are Turko-Mongolian by racial and family background and whose
ancestors never set foot in Palestine. Grabbing the entire Old Testament and
claiming it to be their own, as the Pharisees do today, is false and
misleading since the religious book they follow is The Babylonian Talmud
(according to their own leaders). It is also false and degrading for
Christians, whether in the denominational world, among evangelicals or
fundamentalists, or among the Kingdom Identity people, to deny Christ's
descent through Judah as was prophetically foretold.

    Why Do The Jews Often Look Jewish?

    The Jewish Encyclopedia (1905), has a long article, with charts and
pictures, which seeks to answer the question: "Why is there a special look in
so many self-styled Jews?" Some of these Jews are blonde and blue-eyed. The
Encyclopedia says: "What is popularly known as the Jewish type ... consists
primarily in a peculiar expression of face, which is immediately and
unmistakably recognized as Jewish in large numbers of cases ... It has also
been remarked that Jewish persons who do not have this expression in their
youth, acquire it more and more as they grow from middle to old age... There
is seemingly some social quality, not connected with race, which stamps the
features of Jews as distinctly Jewish."

    The Anti-Defamation League of the Jewish Masonic Lodge B'nai B'rith,
published a series of leaflets for Jewish discussion groups. Leaflet #7 was
entitled: "

    Three Questions Jews Must Answer!"

1.   Are the Jews a race?
    Answer:   Jews are part of a general admixture of races.

2.   Are Jews a nation?
    Answer:   Jews are parts of all nations.

3.   Are Jews a religion?
    Answer:   There are hundreds of thousands of Jews who are   unbelievers,
yet they consider themselves to be Jews. They need  not fear to be
represented by Judaism. On this they may be sure,   Judaism will not
misrepresent them.

    Pharisaism-Judaism-Talmudism teaches that only Jews are human beings.
This is their basic law. We will see this later in one of the Exhibits from
The Talmud. Pharisaic-Talmudic brotherhood is actually atheistic communism, a
world which has no nationalism, except Talmudism. It is built on a Satanic
plan for world conquest known as PAX JUDAICA.

    The final world of the Pharisees is bound for destruction (Malachi 1:2-4
and Micah 4:4) where we read the final results when Jesus Christ, King of
Kings, returns to this earth to rule over that which rightfully belongs to
Him, but which has been usurped by Satan through the disobedience of God's
creation, man. When Christ returns, there will be no more prison collectives
for the world tormentors, no more concentration camps, no more government
political prisoners, no torture of Christians.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Hans Stark - Nazis Testify to Gassing At Auschwitz
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:37:35 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
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In a message dated 9/10/99 8:06:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gormanh@home.com
writes:

<< That's all very CroMagnon of you Michael, and we're all trembling in
suitable
 terror... say, Michael, what would you do if I refused to buy your car?
  >>

Phil, I was hypothetically speaking.....What in the hell are you talking
about, I do not own any cars.....1953 Chevy Pickup, 1997 Chevy Silverado
extra cab, and a 99 Lincoln Navigator. My wife has a T-bird if you want to
buy that. Pigmies would appear like that (Cro-Magnon) to you Jews.
Michael Snead
14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Hans Stark - Nazis Testify to Gassing At Auschwitz
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:43:02 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

In a message dated 9/10/99 8:39:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
SNEADSTER@aol.com writes:

<<
 << That's all very CroMagnon of you Michael, and we're all trembling in
 suitable
  terror... say, Michael, what would you do if I refused to buy your car?
   >>

Herb,
    I was hypothetically speaking.....What in the hell are you talking
 about, I do not own any cars.....1953 Chevy Pickup, 1997 Chevy Silverado
 extra cab, and a 99 Lincoln Navigator. My wife has a T-bird if you want to
 buy that. Pigmies would appear like that (Cro-Magnon) to you Jews.
 Michael Snead
 14/88
  >>
Sorry Phil about the last post I mad with the same Subject but you and Herb
write alike, probably look alike too. You know what they say about
Jews....They all look the same. 

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Our Reaction To The Jew
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:45:33 -0400
From: jsavage 
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

Hi all!

philnancy@aol.com wrote:
>
> philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1024
> >
> >
> > Given the fact that the Jews are the children of the Devil, as our
> LORD said
> > they were....And given the fact that there never was a Jewish
> holocaust in
> > Europe; that Mr. Hitler treated the Jews much kinder than he should
> > have.....These facts are indisputable, and beyond reproach.
>
> There isn't a fact in the entire paragraph, just the raving of a lying
> Jew hater. Where does the Lord say Jews are the children of the Devil?
>

John 8:44...

"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your
father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning,
and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in
him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for
he is a liar, and the father of it".

John 8:45...

"And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not".

John 8:46...

"Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the
truth, why do ye not believe me"?

John 8:47...(notice what Jesus says about the
people he is talking to)

"He that is of God heareth God's words: YE THEREFORE
HEAR THEM NOT, BECAUSE YE ARE NOT OF GOD".

John 8:48...(Pay close attention mathews..this vs gives
the context of vs 44...

"THEN ANSWERED THE JEWS, and said unto him, ...".

Read the rest of vs 48 and notice the jews didn't
ask Jesus how they could become of God....but instead
continued to try and trap him

> >
> > I would like to see some posts on what true Israel's(the Anglo-Saxon,
> > Germanic, and kindred people of the earth) reaction to the Jews
> should be in
> > 1999....What attacks can we make on the enemies of Jesus?....Jude
> tells us
> > to contend for the faith...
>
> True Israel's! So you accept that foolishness as well I see. Is there
> any nutball theory you don't embrace?
>

This "nutball theory" as you call it....can NOT be broken
using the Scriptures of God's Holy Word by ANY preacher
walking the face of this earth!...NOT ONE!!!!

>
> > ...We know that we can pray for their deaths, as the Psalmist did
> when he
> > prayed that even infant Jews be smashed against the rocks......And
> this is
> > very effective.....We also know that we are never to bid a Jew
> godspeed, nor
> > allow them into our homes, as the Scriptures teach us....For when we
> help a
> > Jew in any way, we then become a partaker of their evil deeds..
>
> And the despicable Jew hater reveals himself again. Thanks for
> demonstrating why you are yours are such a loathsome group, operating
> in the dark recesses of society, meriting the abhorence of decent
> people everywhere.
>
js
despicable....
deserving to be despised : so worthless or obnoxious as to
rouse moral indignation...

It is very apparent you are affected with lunacy by the
way you continually make a mockery of the word of GOD!

"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the
Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and
the Son."  (1John 2:22)

Does the jew fit this Scripture?...Does the jew deny
that Jesus is the Christ...the Son of GOD....the MESSIAH!?

The jew denies it vehemently!....

"WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:
[but] he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also".
                                             (1John 2:23)

The jew says..."Oh!...we missed the coming of the
Messiah (which is a lie..see Matthew 28:11-15)..but we
believe in the same God as you Christians"..(another lie..
see 1John 2:23)

"For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not
that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and
an antichrist." (2John 7)

Is the jew a deceiver?....Is he an antichrist?...The word
of GOD says he is. Do you have any Scripture to the contrary?


"Whosoever transgresseth and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ,
hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath
both the Father and the Son". (2John 9)

Does the jew have GOD? The word of GOD says he doesn't!...What
gives you the right to say he does...when the scriptures are
clear that he DOES NOT!!


"If there come any unto you and bring not this doctrine, receive
him not into your house, neither bid him God speed". (2John 10"

"For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds".
                                                      (2John 11)

In vss 9, 10, 11...it says if you elevate the enemies of Christ
to a "God choosen" position you automatically place yourself on
the side of the enemy. If you give aid and comfort to them...you
become partaker in their evil deeds. You will also partake in the
condemnation that will come to the jew who curses our Lord Jesus
Christ on the day of judgment

js
--
Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite
a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew".

                                       The 1980 Jewish Almanac

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Subject: [13texan] Re: A Peaceful Day
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:51:16 -0700
From: "Andy" 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: <13texan@egroups.com>

Amen, Mr. Kadach. Since you posted your note, and mine came up as well, the
list has quieted down quite a bit. So far today about half of all incoming
messages went automatically into the trash. Those are the ADL type messages.
We should continue to ignore them, to be the ice people they accuse us of
being, and freeze them out totally. Vaya Con Dios, Andy

     -----Original Message-----
     From: Ed Kadach [mailto:eddiek@connect.ab.ca]
     Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 14:58
     To: 13texan@egroups.com
     Subject: [13texan] Re: A Peaceful Day

      At 08:31 AM 9/10/99 -0700, Andy wrote:
      >Late last night I logged on for my e-mail, and downloaded 252 messages,
      >after being off line for two days. Twent-five percent were messages
      >from philnancy and Gorman, disputing the truth in their roles as
      >perceived ADL agents. So I made an e-mail rule to trash them
      >immediately, and they will no longer clutter my e-mail or compete for
      >my time. We don't have time to kill, time kills us. Others of similar
      >vein will be added to the delete to trash list, as it seems that maybe
      >a third of all messages are of similar junk mail types. This list could
      >well die of congestion from the convolution of the myriad "arguments"
      >that some persist in engaging in, with the public display of flinging
      >verbal feces back and forth with those who delight in it. This is my
      >appeal for everyone on the list to trash the ADL/Khazar types without
      >reading their verbal scat, ignore them, freeze them out. I do, you
      >ought to too, lest this list wither and fail, as a garden might fail,
      >by failing to prune, removing the thorns, and allowing weeds to choke
      >everything good that may grow.
      >
      >On the other hand, let me know if I should just quit, and leave the
      >list to those who enjoy wrestling the Khazar swine. Vaya Con Dios, Andy

      Very well said Andy. The time has come to delete their posts to the
      trash bin.

      Regards,

      Ed Kadach

      "All truth passes through three stages. First,
      it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
      and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
      ---Schopenhauer

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Subject: [13texan] No Subject
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:15:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shane Krowe 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Ed is very correct. WE need to stop casting our pearls before the swine
and be wiser than the serpents. There are for to many unneccesary post
in this newsgroup because the remarks are not worthy of reading and are
wasting our precious time. What the Serpents are succeeding in doing is
I am so discouraged with wading through babble that I have been
deleting all newsgroup postings. What we need to do is quit arguing
with these idiots and ignore their post and they will stop posting the
nonsense. One way of doing this would be to set up preferences in our
email program to delete all mail automatically from known Mamzer
Serpents.

Shane Krowe

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Zyklon B Gas
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:57:07 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1047

>     During a criminal trial, scientific evidence is the most
powerful,
> because it can be validated objectively and proven scientifically.

This is not always the case, since it would depend on the nature of the
science, how well accepted the theories are, and precisely how
conclusive available testing is. DNA testing is a perfect example.
There is no objective standard on which all scientist agree.
Futhermore, scientific evidence, although it may in certain instances
be strong, is not necessary to compiling an overwhelming case.

 There is
> no scientific evidence indicating mass gassings at Auschwitz or any
other
> German concentration camp.

That is not true. The Crakow Institute for Forensic Research conducted
tests on the walls of the gas chambers, as well as the delousing
chambers at Auschwitz. Both had significant levels of cyanide residue
when compared to the control samples taken from the barracks. In
addition, immediately after the war, similar tests were performed on
gas chamber exhaust vents found in the gas chamber ruins, and cyanide
residue was found.

 The United States Army had toxicology experts do
> autopsies on hundreds of dead in the Nazi concentration camps.

The only autopsies performed were on corpses found at German camps,
non-extermination camps, who's victims had not been gassed. No
autopsies were done at death camp sites in Poland. It should also be
noted that the vast majority of the murdered were cremated. It is not
possible to conduct an autopsy on human ashes.

Human remains
> can show signs of cyanide poisoning for years. no scientific evidence
existed
> that even one of the victims were gassed to death.

Cyanide poisoning cannot be detected from burned human remains.
Scientific evidence has already been cited.

 Nor do records of
> autopsies by Russian doctors in Eastern European camps show any
evidence of
> gassing.

None were done. You can't do an autopsy on a pile of ash.

>     Although autopsies had been performed, the results were not
presented at
> Nuremberg.

This is false, as noted.

 Why? It would not have served fruitful for the prosecution because
> none of the deaths could be blamed on poison gas.

Conjecture based on false premises.

>In every murder trial the
> prosecution is to show the cause of death. In the most publicized
murder
> trial ever, the proof of the cause of death is conspicuously absent.

Nonsense, substantial proof was presented, including the perpetrators
admitting it. Snead has attempted to pull a fast one here. He has been
arguing there is no scientific evidence (a falsehood), and now tries to
change that contention to mean no evidence. Not a very honest or well
handled attempt of course.

If the
> Nazis had really gassed people by the millions, would not the
prosecution
> have produced at least one autopsy proving the cause of death to be
poisoning
> by the cyanide produced by Zyklon B?

Already dealt with three times.

>     Holocaust gurus purport that one "proof" of the gassing of human
beings
> is the great quantity of Zyklon B used at Auschwitz during the war.

Not true. Historians understand the dual use of Zyklon B. This is a
typical denier strawman argument.

> Attempting to rebut revisionist questioning of gas chambers, Jean
Claude
> Pressac, a French chemist, in his book Auschwitz: Techniques and
Operation of
> the Gas Chambers,supplies data showing the large consumption of Zylon
B at
> Auschwitz.

This data has been common knowledge since the war. There is nothing new
here.

 A logical explanation is that the Germans used the chemical in an
> effort to control the epidemics that ravaged the camps.

This was one of the known uses. Genocide was the other.

>     The data published by Pressac himself shows that the per capita
of Zyklon
> B used in the Auschwitz concentration camp was similar to Zylon B
consuption
> in the German camps such as Oranienburg, where the experts admit that
no
> human gassing took place. If Auschwitz was the great center of
extermination,
> and if Zylon B was the poison used, how could it be that the records
of the
> chemical's purchase
> and usage show no greater consumption at Auschwitz than at the
concentration
> camps where Zylon B was used strictly for the infestation and where
there
> were no alleged gassings?

Kindly post the Pressac data.

>Pressac also inadvertantly revealed  that the coke
> cunsumption was no greater per capita in Auschwitz than the camps in
Germany
> where extermination is not alleged.

False. There was extermination in German camps, deaths from many
causes, and the bodies were cremated. Therefore, the amount_per capita_
shouldn't have been any higher as Pressac pointed out, and not
inadvertantly.

>     In 1988, the Canadian government charged Holocaust questioner
Ernst
> Zundel with violating an archaic law against "spreading false news."
Defense
> attorneys in this criminal case commissioned an American engineering
> consultant on prison gas chambers, Fred Leuchter, to make a
scientific
> examination of the homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz. Leuchter,
apolitical
> person, is perhaps the premier authority in the United States on the
> construction and use of execution equipment, and he was actually in
charge of
> the design and construction of execution facilities used in a number
of
> American prisons.

Mostly false. Leuchter claimed to have these credentials, but his
actual involvement in execution facilities was minimal. He posed as an
engineer, even though he was later forced to admit he had no degree in
engineering at all.

>     In his investigation, Leuchter surveyed the construction of the
alleged
> gas chambers and researched the chemical properties of the Zylon B
fumigant.
> He found that Zylon B is a compound that, when exposed to air,
releases
> deadly potassium cyanide gas. It clings to surfaces and has the
tendencies to
> react chemically with materials containing iron (ferric compounds),
creating
> a ferricyanide. If Zylon B is used in iron chambers or in red brick
> structures, it reacts wit ferrous (iron) material to produce a
distinctive
> blue color.

Mr. Snead is confused on the facts. Zyklon B releases Hydogen Cyanide
gas, the same as used in gas chambers in the U.S.  Mr. Leuchter is
hardly the one to find this out, that's how the Zyklon gas was designed
to work. This gas will form prussian blue if a source of reduced iron
is present. If there is no reduced iron, the cyanide compounds adhere
to the wall without prussian blue stains.

 >The printing ink industry has used these chemical reactions for
> decades to produce a distinctive color called Prussian Blue. Random
House
> Webster's Electronic Dictionary, 1992 edition. defines it as follows:
> Prussian Blue n 1. a moderate to deep greenish blue.  2. a dark blue,
> crystalline, water-insoluable ferrocyanide pigment, used in painting
fabric
> printing and laundry bluing.
>     Not only did Leuchter find that the supposed homicidal gas
chambers at
> Auschwitz were structurally unsuitable for gassing,

He asserts this, but his testimony was demolished and he was forced to
admit ignorance about the very nature of HCN upon which his assumptions
were based. If you would like to post those allegations, I'd be happy
to point out the absurdities.

 >he also took samples from
> the walls and had them chemically analyzed.

Unfortunately for him, he took large chunks of walls, rather than
properly taking surface samples. This error in sample collection,
together with his lack of knowledge of the proper techniques, later
completely invalidated his test.

 Independent laboratories in the
> United Statesfound no evidence of ferricyanide compounds.

That's not true. Some residues were found. But Mr. Leuchter failed to
tell the lab that he was testing for residues of cyanide gas, which
adhere to the surface of objects without penetrating. The lab crushed
the large junks of wall, thereby diluting substantially the residues by
mixing it with substantially more quantity of wall. This single mistake
completely invalidates the test.

Yet, when Leuchter
> examined the rooms used as disinfestation chambers for clothes and
luggage,
> he readily observed the distictive blue coloring associated with
> ferricyanide. After further chemical analysis of the samples, he
proved that
> the disinfection walls had heavy concentrations of the ferricyanide
caused by
> exposer to cyanide.

The delousing chamber samples, which Leuchter mistakenly selected as a
control, contained higher levels of cyanide compound, which was to be
expected since they were exposed to significantly higher amounts for
longer durations. Also, the gas chamber samples were taken from the gas
chamber ruins which had been exposed to the elements for over 4
decades, while the delousing chambers were intact.

>     Leuchter also pointed out that the disinfestation chambers used
for
> delousing clothes were well made, airtight, and designed for safety.
On the
> other hand, the supposed human gas chambers were shoddily constructed.

Nonsense. As Leuchter was forced to admit in court, the gas chambers in
question were in ruins, having been dynamited some 40 years before.
There was no way for him to know the nature of the quality of
construction.

 He ask
> why gas chambers for killing lice would be properly engineered,
whereas
> chambers allegedly for killing millions of people would be improperly
> engineered and constructed- and dangerous for its alleged operators.

But he had no evidence for this, as he admitted.

>     A year after the Leuchter controversial finding, the Auschwitz
Museum
> itself duplicated the tests and arrived to the same conclusion and
their
> feeble explanation is for the lack of ferricyanide in the supposed
chambers
> is that "it somehow dissipated" in the disinfestation chambers.

Cyanide compounds don't form prussian blue unless there is a source of
reduced iron. But the compounds still adhere, although they are more
easily dissipated by water, etc. The Auschwitz Museum conducted no such
tests, the other tests were conducted by a reputable forensic lab, as
mentioned above.

 Yet they
> offer no explanation for why the dissipation hadn't happened in the
delicing
> chambers.

They most certainly did, as have I.



        To Be Continued..........


Oh, we can't wait!

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Our Reaction To The Jew
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:01:47 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Kadach wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1051
> At 06:37 AM 9/10/99 -0700, you wrote:
> >philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> >original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1024
> >>
> >>
> >> Given the fact that the Jews are the children of the Devil, as our
> >LORD said
> >> they were....And given the fact that there never was a Jewish
> >holocaust in
> >> Europe; that Mr. Hitler treated the Jews much kinder than he
should
> >> have.....These facts are indisputable, and beyond reproach.
> >
> >There isn't a fact in the entire paragraph, just the raving of a
lying
> >Jew hater. Where does the Lord say Jews are the children of the
Devil?
> >

Notice no answer from the Jew hater.

> >
> >>
> >> I would like to see some posts on what true Israel's(the
Anglo-Saxon,
> >> Germanic, and kindred people of the earth) reaction to the Jews
> >should be in
> >> 1999....What attacks can we make on the enemies of Jesus?....Jude
> >tells us
> >> to contend for the faith...
> >
> >True Israel's! So you accept that foolishness as well I see. Is there
> >any nutball theory you don't embrace?
> >
> >
> >>
> >> ...We know that we can pray for their deaths, as the Psalmist did
> >when he
> >> prayed that even infant Jews be smashed against the rocks......And
> >this is
> >> very effective.....We also know that we are never to bid a Jew
> >godspeed, nor
> >> allow them into our homes, as the Scriptures teach us....For when
we
> >help a
> >> Jew in any way, we then become a partaker of their evil deeds..
> >
> >And the despicable Jew hater reveals himself again. Thanks for
> >demonstrating why you are yours are such a loathsome group, operating
> >in the dark recesses of society, meriting the abhorence of decent
> >people everywhere.
> >
> >Philip Mathews
>
>
> The words and wisdom that many of us have wished to share with you
> have all gone for nought.

Perhaps because you have none Eddie.

 It is high time for some of us Identity
> believers not to engage you in any further discussion for we are
> casting our pearls before the swine.

You mean because you are swine. And you've engaged no one because you
are incompetent to do so, especially you in particular.

Regards to a racist,

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Our Reaction To The Jew
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:08:23 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Savage wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1060
> Hi all!
>
>
> philnancy@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1024
> > >
> > >
> > > Given the fact that the Jews are the children of the Devil, as our
> > LORD said
> > > they were....And given the fact that there never was a Jewish
> > holocaust in
> > > Europe; that Mr. Hitler treated the Jews much kinder than he
should
> > > have.....These facts are indisputable, and beyond reproach.
> >
> > There isn't a fact in the entire paragraph, just the raving of a
lying
> > Jew hater. Where does the Lord say Jews are the children of the
Devil?
> >
>
> John 8:44...
>
> "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your
> father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning,
> and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in
> him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for
> he is a liar, and the father of it".

Says nothing about Jews.

>
>
> John 8:45...
>
> "And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not".

Says nothing about Jews.
>
>
> John 8:46...
>
> "Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the
> truth, why do ye not believe me"?

Says nothing about Jews.
>
>
> John 8:47...(notice what Jesus says about the
> people he is talking to)
>
> "He that is of God heareth God's words: YE THEREFORE
> HEAR THEM NOT, BECAUSE YE ARE NOT OF GOD".

Says nothing about Jews being devils.
>
>
> John 8:48...(Pay close attention mathews..this vs gives
> the context of vs 44...
>
> "THEN ANSWERED THE JEWS, and said unto him, ...".
>

Says nothing about them being devils Savage!

> Read the rest of vs 48 and notice the jews didn't
> ask Jesus how they could become of God....but instead
> continued to try and trap him

Nothing to do with the contention. No surprise!
>
> > >
> > > I would like to see some posts on what true Israel's(the
Anglo-Saxon,
> > > Germanic, and kindred people of the earth) reaction to the Jews
> > should be in
> > > 1999....What attacks can we make on the enemies of Jesus?....Jude
> > tells us
> > > to contend for the faith...
> >
> > True Israel's! So you accept that foolishness as well I see. Is
there
> > any nutball theory you don't embrace?
> >
>
>
> >
> > > ...We know that we can pray for their deaths, as the Psalmist did
> > when he
> > > prayed that even infant Jews be smashed against the rocks......And
> > this is
> > > very effective.....We also know that we are never to bid a Jew
> > godspeed, nor
> > > allow them into our homes, as the Scriptures teach us....For when
we
> > help a
> > > Jew in any way, we then become a partaker of their evil deeds..
> >
> > And the despicable Jew hater reveals himself again. Thanks for
> > demonstrating why you are yours are such a loathsome group,
operating
> > in the dark recesses of society, meriting the abhorence of decent
> > people everywhere.
> >

As I suspected, nothing to support the allegation.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] A Jewish Defector Warns
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:10:20 -0500
From: "Shane Krowe" 
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A Jewish Defector Warns
America:
Benjamin Freedman Speaks

by Benjamin H. Freedman

     Introductory Note

     Benjamin H. Freedman was one of the most intriguing and amazing
     individuals of the 20th century. Mr. Freedman, born in 1890, was a
     successful Jewish businessman of New York City who was at one time the
     principal owner of the Woodbury Soap Company. He broke with organized
     Jewry after the Judeo-Communist victory of 1945, and spent the
remainder
     of his life and the great preponderance of his considerable fortune, at
least
     2.5 million dollars, exposing the Jewish tyranny which has enveloped
the
     United States. Mr. Freedman knew what he was talking about because he
     had been an insider at the highest levels of Jewish organizations and
Jewish
     machinations to gain power over our nation. Mr. Freedman was personally
     acquainted with Bernard Baruch, Samuel Untermyer, Woodrow Wilson,
     Franklin Roosevelt, Joseph Kennedy, and John F. Kennedy, and many
     more movers and shakers of our times. This speech was given before a
     patriotic audience in 1961 at the Willard Hotel in Washington, D.C., on
     behalf of Conde McGinley's patriotic newspaper of that time, Common
     Sense. Though in some minor ways this wide-ranging and extemporaneous
     speech has become dated, Mr. Freedman's essential message to us -- his
     warning to the West -- is more urgent than ever before. -- K.A.S.

     *
     HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, the Zionists and their co-religionists
     have complete control of our government. For many reasons, too many and
     too complex to go into here at this time, the Zionists and their
co-religionists
     rule these United States as though they were the absolute monarchs of
this
     country. Now you may say that is a very broad statement, but let me
show
     you what happened while we were all asleep.

     What happened? World War I broke out in the summer of 1914. There are
     few people here my age who remember that. Now that war was waged on
     one side by Great Britain, France, and Russia; and on the other side by
     Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Turkey.

     Within two years Germany had won that war: not only won it nominally,
     but won it actually. The German submarines, which were a surprise to
the
     world, had swept all the convoys from the Atlantic Ocean.

     Great Britain stood there without ammunition for her soldiers, with one
     week's food supply -- and after that, starvation. At that time, the
French
     army had mutinied. They had lost 600,000 of the flower of French youth
in
     the defense of Verdun on the Somme. The Russian army was defecting,
     they were picking up their toys and going home, they didn't want to
play
     war anymore, they didn't like the Czar. And the Italian army had
collapsed.

     Not a shot had been fired on German soil. Not one enemy soldier had
     crossed the border into Germany. And yet, Germany was offering England
     peace terms. They offered England a negotiated peace on what the
lawyers
     call a status quo ante basis. That means: “Let's call the war
off, and let
     everything be as it was before the war started.” England, in the
summer of
     1916 was considering that -- seriously. They had no choice. It was
either
     accepting this negotiated peace that Germany was magnanimously offering
     them, or going on with the war and being totally defeated.

     While that was going on, the Zionists in Germany, who represented the
     Zionists from Eastern Europe, went to the British War Cabinet and -- I
am
     going to be brief because it's a long story, but I have all the
documents to
     prove any statement that I make -- they said: “Look here. You can
yet win
     this war. You don't have to give up. You don't have to accept the
     negotiated peace offered to you now by Germany. You can win this war if
     the United States will come in as your ally.” The United States
was not in
     the war at that time. We were fresh; we were young; we were rich; we
     were powerful. They told England: “We will guarantee to bring the
United
     States into the war as your ally, to fight with you on your side, if
you will
     promise us Palestine after you win the war.” In other words, they
made this
     deal: “We will get the United States into this war as your ally.
The price you
     must pay is Palestine after you have won the war and defeated Germany,
     Austria-Hungary, and Turkey.” Now England had as much right to
promise
     Palestine to anybody, as the United States would have to promise Japan
to
     Ireland for any reason whatsoever. It's absolutely absurd that Great
Britain,
     that never had any connection or any interest or any right in what is
known
     as Palestine should offer it as coin of the realm to pay the Zionists
for
     bringing the United States into the war. However, they did make that
     promise, in October of 1916. And shortly after that -- I don't know how
     many here remember it -- the United States, which was almost totally
     pro-German, entered the war as Britain's ally.

     I say that the United States was almost totally pro-German because the
     newspapers here were&127 controlled by Jews, the bankers were Jews, all
     the media of mass communications in this country were controlled by
Jews;
     and they, the Jews, were pro-German. They were pro-German because
     many of them had come from Germany, and also they wanted to see
     Germany lick the Czar.
     The Jews didn't like the Czar, and they didn't want Russia to win this
war.
     These German-Jew bankers, like Kuhn Loeb and the other big banking
     firms in the United States refused to finance France or England to the
extent
     of one dollar. They stood aside and they said: “As long as France
and
     England are tied up with Russia, not one cent!” But they poured
money into
     Germany, they fought beside Germany against Russia, trying to lick the
     Czarist regime.

     Now those same Jews, when they saw the possibility of getting
Palestine,
     went to England and they made this deal. At that time, everything
changed,
     like a traffic light that changes from red to green. Where the
newspapers
     had been all pro-German, where they'd been telling the people of the
     difficulties that Germany was having fighting Great Britain
commercially
     and in other respects, all of a sudden the Germans were no good. They
     were villains. They were Huns. They were shooting Red Cross nurses.
     They were cutting off babies' hands. They were no good.
     Shortly after that, Mr. Wilson declared war on Germany.

     The Zionists in London had sent cables to the United States, to Justice
     Brandeis, saying “Go to work on President Wilson. We're getting
from
     England what we want. Now you go to work on President Wilson and get
     the United States into the war.” That's how the United States got
into the
     war. We had no more interest in it; we had no more right to be in it
than we
     have to be on the moon tonight instead of in this room. There was
     absolutely no reason for World War I to be our war. We were railroaded
     into -- if I can be vulgar, we were suckered into -- that war merely so
that
     the Zionists of the world could obtain Palestine. That is something
that the
     people of the United States have never been told. They never knew why
     we went into World War I.

     After we got into the war, the Zionists went to Great Britain and they
said:
     “Well, we performed our part of the agreement. Let's have
something in
     writing that shows that you are going to keep your bargain and give us
     Palestine after you win the war.” They didn't know whether the
war would
     last another year or another ten years. So they started to work out a
receipt.
     The receipt took the form of a letter, which was worded in very cryptic
     language so that the world at large wouldn't know what it was all
about.
     And that was called the Balfour Declaration.

     The Balfour Declaration was merely Great Britain's promise to pay the
     Zionists what they had agreed upon as a consideration for getting the
United
     States into the war. So this great Balfour Declaration, that you hear
so
     much about, is just as phony as a three dollar bill. I don't think I
could
     make it more emphatic than that.

     That is where all the trouble started. The United States got in the
war. The
     United States crushed Germany. You know what happened. When the war
     ended, and the Germans went to Paris for the Paris Peace Conference in
     1919 there were 117 Jews there, as a delegation representing the Jews,
     headed by Bernard Baruch. I was there: I ought to know. Now what
     happened? The Jews at that peace conference, when they were cutting up
     Germany and parceling out Europe to all these nations who claimed a
right
     to a certain part of European territory, said, “How about
Palestine for us?”
     And they produced, for the first time to the knowledge of the Germans,
this
     Balfour Declaration. So the Germans, for the first time realized,
“Oh, so
     that was the game!
     That's why the United States came into the war.” The Germans for
the first
     time realized that they were defeated, they suffered the terrific
reparations
     that were slapped onto them, because the Zionists wanted Palestine and
     were determined to get it at any cost.

     That brings us to another very interesting point. When the Germans
realized
     this, they naturally resented it. Up to that time, the Jews had never
been
     better off in any country in the world than they had been in Germany.
You
     had Mr. Rathenau there, who was maybe 100 times as important in
     industry and finance as is Bernard Baruch in this country. You had Mr.
     Balin, who owned the two big steamship lines, the North German Lloyd's
     and the Hamburg-American Lines. You had Mr. Bleichroder, who was the
     banker for the Hohenzollern family. You had the Warburgs in Hamburg,
     who were the big merchant bankers -- the biggest in the world. The Jews
     were doing very well in Germany. No question about that. The Germans
     felt: “Well, that was quite a sellout.”

     It was a sellout that might be compared to this hypothetical situation:
     Suppose the United States was at war with the Soviet Union. And we were
     winning. And we told the Soviet Union: “Well, let's quit. We
offer you
     peace terms. Let's forget the whole thing.” And all of a sudden
Red China
     came into the war as an ally of the Soviet Union. And throwing them
into
     the war brought about our defeat. A crushing defeat, with reparations
the
     likes of which man's imagination cannot encompass. Imagine, then, after
     that defeat, if we found out that it was the Chinese in this country,
our
     Chinese citizens, who all the time we had thought were loyal citizens
     working with us, were selling us out to the Soviet Union and that it
was
     through them that Red China was brought into the war against us. How
     would we feel, then, in the United States against Chinese? I don't
think that
     one of them would dare show his face on any street. There wouldn't be
     enough convenient lampposts to take care of them. Imagine how we would
     feel.

     Well, that's how the Germans felt towards these Jews. They'd been so
nice
     to them: from 1905 on, when the first Communist revolution in Russia
     failed, and the Jews had to scramble out of Russia, they all went to
     Germany. And Germany gave them refuge. And they were treated very
     nicely. And here they had sold Germany down the river for no reason at
all
     other than the fact that they wanted Palestine as a so-called
“Jewish
     commonwealth.”

     Now Nahum Sokolow, and all the great leaders and great names that you
     read about in connection with Zionism today, in 1919, 1920, 1921, 1922,
     and 1923 wrote in all their papers -- and the press was filled with
their
     statements -- that the feeling against the Jews in Germany is due to
the fact
     that they realized that this great defeat was brought about by Jewish
     intercession in bringing the United States into the war. The Jews
themselves
     admitted that. It wasn't that the Germans in 1919 discovered that a
glass of
     Jewish blood tasted better than Coca-Cola or Muenschner Beer. There was
     no religious feeling. There was no sentiment against those people
merely on
     account of their religious belief. It was all political. It was
economic. It was
     anything but religious. Nobody cared in Germany whether a Jew went
     home and pulled down the shades and said “Shema' Yisroel”
or “Our
     Father.” Nobody cared in Germany any more than they do in the
United
     States. Now this feeling that developed later in Germany was due to one
     thing: the Germans held the Jews responsible for their crushing defeat.

     And World War I had been started against Germany for no reason for
     which Germany was responsible. They were guilty of nothing. Only of
     being successful. They built up a big navy.
     They built up world trade. You must remember that Germany at the time
of
     the French Revolution consisted of 300 small city-states,
principalities,
     dukedoms, and so forth. Three hundred separate little political
entities. And
     between that time, between the times of Napoleon and Bismarck, they
were
     consolidated into one state. And within 50 years they became one of the
     world's great powers. Their navy was rivalling Great Britain's, they
were
     doing business all over the world, they could undersell anybody, they
could
     make better products. What happened as a result of that?

     There was a conspiracy between England, France, and Russia to slap down
     Germany. There isn't one historian in the world who can find a valid
reason
     why those three countries decided to wipe Germany off the map
politically.

     When Germany realized that the Jews were responsible for her defeat,
they
     naturally resented it. But not a hair on the head of any Jew was
harmed.
     Not a single hair. Professor Tansill, of Georgetown University, who had
     access to all the secret papers of the State Department, wrote in his
book,
     and quoted from a State Department document written by Hugo Schoenfelt,
     a Jew whom Cordell Hull sent to Europe in 1933 to investigate the
so-called
     camps of political prisoners, who wrote back that he found them in very
     fine condition. They were in excellent shape, with everybody treated
well.
     And they were filled with Communists. Well, a lot of them were Jews,
     because the Jews happened to comprise about 98 per cent of the
     Communists in Europe at that time. And there were some priests there,
and
     ministers, and labor leaders, and Masons, and others who had
international
     affiliations.

     Some background is in order: In 1918-1919 the Communists took over
     Bavaria for a few days.
     Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht and a group of other Jews took over
     the government for three days. In fact, when the Kaiser ended the war
he
     fled to Holland because he thought the Communists were going to take
over
     Germany as they did Russia and that he was going to meet the same fate
as
     the Czar. So he fled to Holland for safety, for security. After the
     Communist threat in Germany was quashed, the Jews were still working,
     trying to get back into their former status, and the Germans fought
them in
     every way they could without hurting a single hair on anyone's head.
They
     fought them the same way that, in this country, the Prohibitionists
fought
     anyone who was interested in liquor. They didn't fight one another with
     pistols. Well, that's the way they were fighting the Jews in Germany.
And at
     that time, mind you, there were 80 to 90 million Germans, and there
were
     only 460,000 Jews. About one half of one per cent of the population of
     Germany were Jews. And yet they controlled all the press, and they
     controlled most of the economy because they had come in with cheap
     money when the mark was devalued and bought up practically everything.

     The Jews tried to keep a lid on this fact. They didn't want the world
to
     really understand that they had sold out Germany, and that the Germans
     resented that.

     The Germans took appropriate action against the Jews. They, shall I
say,
     discriminated against them wherever they could. They shunned them. The
     same way that we would shun the Chinese, or the Negroes, or the
     Catholics, or anyone in this country who had sold us out to an enemy
and
     brought about our defeat.

     After a while, the Jews of the world called a meeting in Amsterdam.
Jews
     from every country in the world attended this meeting in July 1933. And
     they said to Germany: “You fire Hitler, and you put every Jew
back into his
     former position, whether he was a Communist or no matter what he was.
     You can't treat us that way. And we, the Jews of the world, are serving
an
     ultimatum upon you.” You can imagine what the Germans told them.
So
     what did the Jews do?

     In 1933, when Germany refused to surrender to the world conference of
     Jews in Amsterdam, the conference broke up, and Mr. Samuel Untermyer,
     who was the head of the American delegation and the president of the
     whole conference, came to the United States and went from the steamer
to
     the studios of the Columbia Broadcasting System and made a radio
     broadcast throughout the United States in which he in effect said,
“The
     Jews of the world now declare a Holy War against Germany. We are now
     engaged in a sacred conflict against the Germans. And we are going to
     starve them into surrender. We are going to use a world-wide boycott
     against them. That will destroy them because they are dependent upon
their
     export business.” And it is a fact that two thirds of Germany's
food supply
     had to be imported, and it could only be imported with the proceeds of
     what they exported. So if Germany could not export, two thirds of
     Germany's population would have to starve. There was just not enough
     food for more than one third of the population. Now in this
declaration,
     which I have here, and which was printed in the New York Times on
     August 7, 1933, Mr. Samuel Untermyer boldly stated that “this
economic
     boycott is our means of self-defense. President Roosevelt has advocated
its
     use in the National Recovery Administration,” which some of you
may
     remember, where everybody was to be boycotted unless he followed the
     rules laid down by the New Deal, and which was declared
unconstitutional
     by the Supreme Court of that time. Nevertheless, the Jews of the world
     declared a boycott against Germany, and it was so effective that you
     couldn't find one thing in any store anywhere in the world with the
words
     “made in Germany” on it. In fact, an executive of the
Woolworth Company
     told me that they had to dump millions of dollars worth of crockery and
     dishes into the river; that their stores were boycotted if anyone came
in and
     found a dish marked “made in Germany,” they were picketed
with signs
     saying “Hitler,” “murderer,” and so forth,
something like these sit-ins that
     are taking place in the South. At a store belonging to the R. H. Macy
chain,
     which was controlled by a family called Strauss who also happen to be
     Jews, a woman found stockings there which came from Chemnitz, marked
     “made in Germany.” Well, they were cotton stockings and
they may have
     been there 20 years, since I've been observing women's legs for many
years
     and it's been a long time since I've seen any cotton stockings on them.
I
     saw Macy's boycotted, with hundreds of people walking around with signs
     saying “murderers,” “Hitlerites,” and so forth.
Now up to that time, not one
     hair on the head of any Jew had been hurt in Germany. There was no
     suffering, there was no starvation, there was no murder, there was
nothing.

     Naturally, the Germans said, “Who are these people to declare a
boycott
     against us and throw all our people out of work, and make our
industries
     come to a standstill? Who are they to do that to us?” They
naturally
     resented it. Certainly they painted swastikas on stores owned by Jews.
Why
     should a German go in and give his money to a storekeeper who was part
     of a boycott that was going to starve Germany into surrendering to the
Jews
     of the world, who were going to dictate who their premier or chancellor
was
     to be? Well, it was ridiculous.

     The boycott continued for some time, but it wasn't until 1938, when a
     young Jew from Poland walked into the German embassy in Paris and shot
     a German official, that the Germans really started to get rough with
the
     Jews in Germany. And you found them then breaking windows and having
     street fights and so forth.

     Now I don't like to use the word “anti-Semitism” because
it's meaningless,
     but it means something to you still, so I'll have to use it. The only
reason
     that there was any feeling in Germany against Jews was that they were
     responsible for World War I and for this world-wide boycott. Ultimately
     they were also responsible for World War II, because after this thing
got out
     of hand, it was absolutely necessary for the Jews and Germany to lock
     horns in a war to see which one was going to survive.

     In the meanwhile, I had lived in Germany, and I knew that the Germans
     had decided that Europe is going to be Christian or Communist: there is
no
     in between. And the Germans decided they were going to keep it
Christian
     if possible. And they started to re-arm.

     In November 1933 the United States recognized the Soviet Union. The
     Soviet Union was becoming very powerful, and Germany realized that
“Our
     turn was going to come soon, unless we are strong.” The same as
we in this
     country are saying today, “Our turn is going to come soon, unless
we are
     strong.” Our government is spending 83 or 84 billion dollars for
defense.
     Defense against whom? Defense against 40,000 little Jews in Moscow that
     took over Russia, and then, in their devious ways, took over control of
     many other countries of the world.&127
     For this country now to be on the verge of a Third World War, from
which
     we cannot emerge a victor, is something that staggers my imagination. I
     know that nuclear bombs are measured in terms of megatons. A megaton is
     a term used to describe one million tons of TNT. Our nuclear bombs had
a
     capacity of 10 megatons, or 10 million tons of TNT, when they were
first
     developed. Now, the nuclear bombs that are being developed have a
     capacity of 200 megatons, and God knows how many megatons the nuclear
     bombs of the Soviet Union have.

     What do we face now? If we trigger a world war that may develop into a
     nuclear war, humanity is finished. Why might such a war take place? It
will
     take place as the curtain goes up on Act 3: Act 1 was World War I, Act
2
     was World War II, Act 3 is going to be World War III. The Jews of the
     world, the Zionists and their co-religionists everywhere, are
determined that
     they are going to again use the United States to help them permanently
     retain Palestine as their foothold for their world government. That is
just as
     true as I am standing here. Not alone have I read it, but many here
have
     also read it, and it is known all over the world.

     What are we going to do? The life you save may be your son's. Your boys
     may be on their way to that war tonight; and you you don't know it any
     more than you knew that in 1916 in London the Zionists made a deal with
     the British War Cabinet to send your sons to war in Europe. Did you
know
     it at that time? Not a person in the United States knew it. You weren't
     permitted to know it.
     Who knew it? President Wilson knew it. Colonel House knew it. Other
     insiders knew it.

     Did I know it? I had a pretty good idea of what was going on: I was
liaison
     to Henry Morgenthau, Sr., in the 1912 campaign when President Wilson
     was elected, and there was talk around the office there. I was
“confidential
     man” to Henry Morgenthau, Sr., who was chairman of the finance
     committee, and I was liaison between him and Rollo Wells, the
treasurer.
     So I sat in these meetings with President Wilson at the head of the
table,
     and all the others, and I heard them drum into President Wilson's brain
the
     graduated income tax and what has become the Federal Reserve, and I
     heard them indoctrinate him with the Zionist movement. Justice Brandeis
     and President Wilson were just as close as the two fingers on this
hand.
     President Woodrow Wilson was just as incompetent when it came to
     determining what was going on as a newborn baby.
     That is how they got us into World War I, while we all slept. They sent
our
     boys over there to be slaughtered. For what? So the Jews can have
     Palestine as their “commonwealth.” They've fooled you so
much that you
     don't know whether you're coming or going.
     Now any judge, when he charges a jury, says, “Gentlemen, any
witness
     who you find has told a single lie, you can disregard all his
testimony.” I
     don't know what state you come from, but in New York state that is the
     way a judge addresses a jury. If that witness told one lie, disregard
his
     testimony.

     What are the facts about the Jews? (I call them Jews to you, because
they
     are known as Jews. I don't call them Jews myself. I refer to them as
     so-called Jews, because I know what they are.) The eastern European
     Jews, who form 92 per cent of the world's population of those people
who
     call themselves Jews, were originally Khazars. They were a warlike
tribe
     who lived deep in the heart of Asia. And they were so warlike that even
the
     Asiatics drove them out of Asia into eastern Europe. They set up a
large
     Khazar kingdom of 800,000 square miles. At the time, Russia did not
exist,
     nor did many other European countries. The Khazar kingdom was the
     biggest country in all Europe -- so big and so powerful that when the
other
     monarchs wanted to go to war, the Khazars would lend them 40,000
     soldiers. That's how big and powerful they were.

     They were phallic worshippers, which is filthy and I do not want to go
into
     the details of that now.
     But that was their religion, as it was also the religion of many other
pagans
     and barbarians elsewhere in the world. The Khazar king became so
     disgusted with the degeneracy of his kingdom that he decided to adopt a
     so-called monotheistic faith -- either Christianity, Islam, or what is
known
     today as Judaism, which is really Talmudism. By spinning a top, and
calling
     out “eeny, meeny, miney, moe,” he picked out so-called
Judaism. And that
     became the state religion. He sent down to the Talmudic schools of
     Pumbedita and Sura and brought up thousands of rabbis, and opened up
     synagogues and schools, and his people became what we call Jews. There
     wasn't one of them who had an ancestor who ever put a toe in the Holy
     Land.
     Not only in Old Testament history, but back to the beginning of time.
Not
     one of them! And yet they come to the Christians and ask us to support
     their armed insurrections in Palestine by saying, “You want to
help
     repatriate God's Chosen People to their Promised Land, their ancestral
     home, don't you? It's your Christian duty. We gave you one of our boys
as
     your Lord and Savior.
     You now go to church on Sunday, and you kneel and you worship a Jew,
     and we're Jews.” But they are pagan Khazars who were converted
just the
     same as the Irish were converted. It is as ridiculous to call them
“people of
     the Holy Land,” as it would be to call the 54 million Chinese
Moslems
     “Arabs.” Mohammed only died in 620 A.D., and since then 54
million
     Chinese have accepted Islam as their religious belief. Now imagine, in
     China, 2,000 miles away from Arabia, from Mecca and Mohammed's
     birthplace. Imagine if the 54 million Chinese decided to call
themselves
     “Arabs.” You would say they were lunatics. Anyone who
believes that
     those 54 million Chinese are Arabs must be crazy. All they did was
adopt as
     a religious faith a belief that had its origin in Mecca, in Arabia. The
same as
     the Irish. When the Irish became Christians, nobody dumped them in the
     ocean and imported to the Holy Land a new crop of inhabitants.
     They hadn't become a different people. They were the same people, but
     they had accepted Christianity as a religious faith.

     These Khazars, these pagans, these Asiatics, these Turko-Finns, were a
     Mongoloid race who were forced out of Asia into eastern Europe. Because
     their king took the Talmudic faith, they had no choice in the matter.
Just the
     same as in Spain: If the king was Catholic, everybody had to be a
Catholic.
     If not, you had to get out of Spain. So the Khazars became what we call
     today Jews.
     Now imagine how silly it was for the great Christian countries of the
world
     to say, “We're going to use our power and prestige to repatriate
God's
     Chosen People to their ancestral homeland, their Promised Land.”
Could
     there be a bigger lie than that? Because they control the newspapers,
the
     magazines, the radio, the television, the book publishing business, and
     because they have the ministers in the pulpit and the politicians on
the
     soapboxes talking the same language, it is not too surprising that you
believe
     that lie. You'd believe black is white if you heard it often enough.
You
     wouldn't call black black anymore -- you'd start to call black white.
And
     nobody could blame you.

     That is one of the great lies of history. It is the foundation of all
the misery
     that has befallen the world.

     Do you know what Jews do on the Day of Atonement, that you think is so
     sacred to them? I was one of them. This is not hearsay. I'm not here to
be a
     rabble-rouser. I'm here to give you facts.
     When, on the Day of Atonement, you walk into a synagogue, you stand up
     for the very first prayer that you recite. It is the only prayer for
which you
     stand. You repeat three times a short prayer called the Kol Nidre. In
that
     prayer, you enter into an agreement with God Almighty that any oath,
vow,
     or pledge that you may make during the next twelve months shall be null
     and void. The oath shall not be an oath; the vow shall not be a vow;
the
     pledge shall not be a pledge. They shall have no force or effect. And
     further, the Talmud teaches that whenever you take an oath, vow, or
     pledge, you are to remember the Kol Nidre prayer that you recited on
the
     Day of Atonement, and you are exempted from fulfilling them. How much
     can you depend on their loyalty? You can depend upon their loyalty as
     much as the Germans depended upon it in 1916.
     We are going to suffer the same fate as Germany suffered, and for the
same reason.
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Subject: [13texan] Re: HISTORICAL FACTS OF THE PROTOCOLS
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:46:23 -0400
From: steve wolk 
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Organization: animal rescue & referral
To: 13texan@egroups.com

jsavage wrote:
>
> Hope wrote:
> >
> > jsavage wrote:
> > >
> > > philnancy@aol.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Savage wrote:
> > > >
> > > > philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> > > > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=978
> > > > > philnancy@aol.com wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Savage wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> > > > > > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=962
> > > > > > > Steve!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You need to get with the lying plagerist Mathews and
> > > > > > > let him teach you the proper way to cut and paste! hehehehe!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Savage, you need to get out of that rusty trailer and buy a
> > > > dictionary
> > > > > > so you'll know how to spell plagiarist!
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It is a recognized spelling from the "Geeks Spelling of
> > > > > Antiquated Terms"
> > > >
> > > > Ah, so you're a Geek!
> > > >
> > > js
> > > Dunno....
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > As far as the rusty old trailer is considered....it
> > > > > is paid for :)...
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I should hope so, now if you could only find a place to park it.
> > > >
> > >
> > > js
> > > got a place ...The thirty-four acres it sets
> > > on is also paid for....
> >
> > That's great, js.  Let us know when you get indoor plumbing.
>
> It's paid for too...

Wonderful, js.  Let us know when you learn how to use it.

Steve

>
> --
> Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite
> a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew".
>
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Subject: [13texan] Re: Jews Forced America Into World War II
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:47:43 -0400
From: steve wolk 
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Ed Kadach wrote:
>
> At 12:40 PM 9/9/99 -0400, you wrote:
> >Ed Kadach wrote:
> >
> >             (widdle Eddie's usual anti-semitic tripe snipped)
> >
> >
> >Oh, Eddie!  The orderlies are looking for you.
> >
> >Steve
>
> You've done it again Wolk. You've parroted Jeffrey G. Brown once
> again. Only Jeffrey calls me 'widdle'. Shame on you!
>
> Take care,
>
> Ed Kadach

That's because the adjective is so appropriate, widdle Eddie.

Take care,

Steve

>
> "All truth passes through three stages. First,
> it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
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Subject: [13texan] Re: Jews-"Tay-Sachs-Disease"
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:51:39 -0400
From: steve wolk 
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Organization: animal rescue & referral
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Ed Kadach wrote:
>
> At 10:06 AM 9/10/99 -0400, you wrote:
> >Ed Kadach wrote:
> >>
> >> MENTAL DISEASES
> >>
> >
> >The KKKadach family has long been afflicted by a strange malady.  All
> >the males are idiots, distinguishable by their overly large heads and
> >the drool that issues from their lips.
> >
> >Steve
>
> So sorry I haven't been paying any attention to your posts Steve.
> I didn't realize they were from that nice fella from the ng's.
> Evidently you are a parrot much like Mathews. The two of you parrot
> the style of others that post to alt.revisionism. You, Steve Wolk
> parrot Jeffrey G. Brown's of addressing me as KKK and Mathews has
> pirated Deppity Bob's 'regards to a racist'.
> So Wolk, welcome to the list but leave your jewish rhetoric for the
> 'exterminationists' on alt.revisionism.
>
> Warmest regards,
>
> Ed Kadach

It's obvious you haven't been paying attention.  It was I, not Brown,
who first called you KKKadach.  Funny how you object to parroting,
though, since everything you post is a copy of something someone else
said.

Steve
>
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> it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed;
> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
> ---Schopenhauer
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Subject: [13texan] Re: Jews-"Tay-Sachs-Disease"
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:54:17 -0400
From: steve wolk 
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SNEADSTER@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 9/9/99 10:10:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> sjw2428@erols.com writes:
>
> << Ed Kadach wrote:
>  >
>  > MENTAL DISEASES
>  >
>
>  The KKKadach family has long been afflicted by a strange malady.  All
>  the males are idiots, distinguishable by their overly large heads and
>  the drool that issues from their lips.
>
>  Steve
>   >>
>
> THIS IN JUST TODAY........It has been scientifically proven that the Pinocio
> syndrome is not just a myth. The scientist have proven that when one tells a
> lie that an adrenaline rush takes place that sets off a hormone that causes
> the nose to actually grow.  That explains why the Jews are centuries into the
> lying business.
> Michael Snead

"Pinocio"?  Whatta maroon.  Thanks for the laugh, Snerd.

Steve

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Subject: [13texan] Re: A Peaceful Day
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:17:46 +1000
From: "Frank Dowsett" 
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I'm with you Andy, and do the same.  I'm afraid that this list is not what
it used to be, much to my regret.
Frank.
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Date: Saturday, September 11, 1999 1:32
Subject: [13texan] A Peaceful Day

>Late last night I logged on for my e-mail, and downloaded 252 messages,
>after being off line for two days. Twent-five percent were messages
>from philnancy and Gorman, disputing the truth in their roles as
>perceived ADL agents. So I made an e-mail rule to trash them
>immediately, and they will no longer clutter my e-mail or compete for
>my time. We don't have time to kill, time kills us. Others of similar
>vein will be added to the delete to trash list, as it seems that maybe
>a third of all messages are of similar junk mail types. This list could
>well die of congestion from the convolution of the myriad "arguments"
>that some persist in engaging in, with the public display of flinging
>verbal feces back and forth with those who delight in it. This is my
>appeal for everyone on the list to trash the ADL/Khazar types without
>reading their verbal scat, ignore them, freeze them out. I do, you
>ought to too, lest this list wither and fail, as a garden might fail,
>by failing to prune, removing the thorns, and allowing weeds to choke
>everything good that may grow.
>
>On the other hand, let me know if I should just quit, and leave the
>list to those who enjoy wrestling the Khazar swine. Vaya Con Dios, Andy
>
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Subject: [13texan] Re: Zyklon B Gas
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:46:25 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

Philip and Herb,
You siamese twins. Both of you are aversionist. If you knew what you were
actually talking about you would  agree with everything that I said. Your
sarcasm and witlessness doesn't make what you say right. The propaganda that
is on the Jewish website is exactly that. No one disputes the fact that
Custer had a last stand....No one disputes the fact that millions of Russians
were murdered from 1917-1959....that the Japanese were in work camps during
WWll...that Bill Clinton is a sexual predator...but two things about the
Holocaust really bother me, other than the fact it did not happen and both of
your lame excuses on the evidence is perpetuated by a conglomerated
propaganda machine that will be stopped.
    The Jews will lose to much money if it is allowed to be proven publicly,
they will lose the "poor ole persecuted Jew" status with the people of the
world. Just a matter of time when Russia will be collecting what was stolen
from them by the Jews, and China will join right in on the total annihilation
of the Jewish cult and give Jerusalem back to it's rightful owner. If you
read the book of Revelations you will read of the destruction of the Jew. The
American people give 147 million dollars a day to the state of Israel for
their national security and the thieves are not satisfied with that, they
have extorted "Holocaust" money from almost every Aryan country in the world
and now are trying to extort money from Australia. The Australian Government,
so far has refused to pay,  so the Jews are considering banking sanctions
against them. The Russian Mafia (Jewish Controlled) has extorted 15 billion
dollars from Russia that they received from the IMF and laundered it through
a New York Bank (that was Jewish controlled). A Jew by the name of Martin R.
Frankel defrauded hundreds of millions of dollars from insurance companies
was caught on September 4, 1999, in a luxury hotel in Germany. Jew ,Stephen
Abrams took his car and ran over several innocent children, killing a 4 year
old girl and a 3 year old boy in Costa Mesa, California and we heard a little
bit about it...no screams for Car Control by the Clintonese government or the
Jewish Media yet you let a white man take an automatic weapon into a Jewish
school three months later and a few miles apart and wound 5 people and you
are bombarded by the Jewish propaganda. I will conclude my Zylon B  posting
early next week and put more cracks in the foundation of you alibis.
Michael Snead
14/88

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Subject: [13texan] A Jewish Defector Warns
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:26:28 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Shane,
 Is it possible that you could e-Mail this to me I cannot get it to come up
through the download manager...Thanks...    send it to : Sneadster@aol.com
Michael Snead14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Steve jew can't spell..I mean you can't spell... hehehehehe
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:50:24 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

Steve,
         I am not stranded anywhere (maroon) nor is my nose the color
(maroon) of a Jews nose. The story just below the barbwire (Don't let that
bother you though) is actually a true scientific study that came out this
week. I just added the part explaining why the Jews had big noses<<
Michael Snead or  Snerd (Snerdly on the radio though)
14/88

x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x

THIS IN JUST TODAY........It has been scientifically proven that the Pinocio
> syndrome is not just a myth. The scientist have proven that when one tells a
> lie that an adrenaline rush takes place that sets off a hormone that causes
> the nose to actually grow.  That explains why the Jews are centuries into
the
> lying business.
> Michael Snead

Stevie writes:
"Pinocio"?  Whatta maroon.  Thanks for the laugh, Snerd.
Steve

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Subject: [13texan] STEVE.....you mooron
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:54:56 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Steve I just remembered another definition for maroon.....
Maroon is a runaway slave in the west Indies in the 1700's and 1800's now we
have another name for them........
Michael Snead
14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Ashkenaz Gogsspawn
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 03:57:39 PDT
From: "Jeanne-Marie Zimmerman" 
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Ed Kadach said:
The words and wisdom that many of us have wished to share with you
have all gone for nought.
~~~~~~~
Little Philip said:
Perhaps because you have none Eddie.
~~~~~~~
Ed said:
It is high time for some of us Identity believers not to engage you in any
further discussion for we are casting our pearls before the swine.
~~~~~~~
Little Philip said:
You mean because you are swine. And you've engaged no one because you
are incompetent to do so, especially you in particular.

Regards to a racist, Philip Mathews
~~~~~~~
Me: Hey, Ed, take that as a compliment from little Philip who likes to tell
all of us how we should live by the Bible. Now, here's something about
racism straight from scripture and now we can see where the Ashkenaz
Gogsspawn came from. Martin Lindstedt wrote this. I condensed it for the
sake of this list:

     Genesis 3:15  "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman,
and between thy seed and her seed, it shall bruise thy head, and thou
shall bruise his heel."

Martin:
     See?  I can't help myself.  The LORD gave me a heaping helping of
enmity as a Christian Israelite against you Satanic Ashkenaz-Gogsspawn
and I can't help hating you so-called 'jews' any more than a Palestinian
Arab, who as a descendant of Ishmael, can either. And of course you hate
Christ and Christian Israelites as well.

    Let's see, we have already covered Revelation 20:7-9, as to where
you Ashkenaz-Gogsspawn, having been kept apart from your prey for a
millennium while your daddy was in jail for that time, you get all
huffy, encompass the Camp of the Saints, and get a good scorch for
your presumption. How about Genesis 9:25-26? "Cursed be Canaan; a servant of
servant shall he be unto his brethren. And he said, Blessed be the LORD God
of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant."

    Now if you were a real 'jew' instead of being Ashkenaz-Gogsspawn
Talmud 'jew' then you would be part Canaanite and Edomite, and thus
would be by rights my servant if I didn't get around to my duty of
killing you off and taking your land. (See Joshua 1:6)

    ...As I recollect, you came onto this listserver demanding that
Israelites worship you Ashkenaz-Gogsspawn and observe all your holyhoaxes.
All I've done is to show in the Bible the ancestry
of you Khazars and your lies.

    ...If you will look at Genesis Chapter 38, you shall see that Judah
married a Canaanite who bore three worthless half Canaanite' jews'.

The first was so wicked that the LORD killed the mutt.  Gen.38:7.
The second was a total jack-off so the LORD killed him too. Genesis 38:9-10.
  Judah liked to screw, so he screwed his sons' wife thinking she was a
whore, and she gave birth to the White Judeans Pharez and Zerah.  This left
one half-Canaanite mutt who tagged along and created a Canaanite presence
among the Judeans.

    It was a mixed multitude which went with Israel out of Egypt. Exodus
12:38. End.
~~~~~~~
Me:
Go enjoy yourself, Little Philip.
~<:+)'

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Our Reaction To The Jew
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 06:47:56 CDT
From: "David Griffin" 
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>From: jsavage 
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>philnancy@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1024
> > >
> > >
> > > Given the fact that the Jews are the children of the Devil, as our
> > LORD said
> > > they were....And given the fact that there never was a Jewish
> > holocaust in
> > > Europe; that Mr. Hitler treated the Jews much kinder than he should
> > > have.....These facts are indisputable, and beyond reproach.
> >
> > There isn't a fact in the entire paragraph, just the raving of a lying
> > Jew hater. Where does the Lord say Jews are the children of the Devil?
> >
>
>John 8:44...
>
>"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your
>father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning,
>and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in
>him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for
>he is a liar, and the father of it".
>
>
>John 8:45...
>
>"And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not".
>
>
>John 8:46...
>
>"Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the
>truth, why do ye not believe me"?
>
>
>John 8:47...(notice what Jesus says about the
>people he is talking to)
>
>"He that is of God heareth God's words: YE THEREFORE
>HEAR THEM NOT, BECAUSE YE ARE NOT OF GOD".
>
>
>John 8:48...(Pay close attention mathews..this vs gives
>the context of vs 44...
>
>"THEN ANSWERED THE JEWS, and said unto him, ...".
>
>Read the rest of vs 48 and notice the jews didn't
>ask Jesus how they could become of God....but instead
>continued to try and trap him
>
> > >
> > > I would like to see some posts on what true Israel's(the Anglo-Saxon,
> > > Germanic, and kindred people of the earth) reaction to the Jews
> > should be in
> > > 1999....What attacks can we make on the enemies of Jesus?....Jude
> > tells us
> > > to contend for the faith...
> >
> > True Israel's! So you accept that foolishness as well I see. Is there
> > any nutball theory you don't embrace?
> >
>
>This "nutball theory" as you call it....can NOT be broken
>using the Scriptures of God's Holy Word by ANY preacher
>walking the face of this earth!...NOT ONE!!!!
>
>
> >
> > > ...We know that we can pray for their deaths, as the Psalmist did
> > when he
> > > prayed that even infant Jews be smashed against the rocks......And
> > this is
> > > very effective.....We also know that we are never to bid a Jew
> > godspeed, nor
> > > allow them into our homes, as the Scriptures teach us....For when we
> > help a
> > > Jew in any way, we then become a partaker of their evil deeds..
> >
> > And the despicable Jew hater reveals himself again. Thanks for
> > demonstrating why you are yours are such a loathsome group, operating
> > in the dark recesses of society, meriting the abhorence of decent
> > people everywhere.
> >
>js
>despicable....
>deserving to be despised : so worthless or obnoxious as to
>rouse moral indignation...
>
>It is very apparent you are affected with lunacy by the
>way you continually make a mockery of the word of GOD!
>
>"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the
>Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and
>the Son."  (1John 2:22)
>
>Does the jew fit this Scripture?...Does the jew deny
>that Jesus is the Christ...the Son of GOD....the MESSIAH!?
>
>The jew denies it vehemently!....
>
>
>"WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:
>[but] he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also".
>                                              (1John 2:23)
>
>The jew says..."Oh!...we missed the coming of the
>Messiah (which is a lie..see Matthew 28:11-15)..but we
>believe in the same God as you Christians"..(another lie..
>see 1John 2:23)
>
>"For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not
>that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and
>an antichrist." (2John 7)
>
>Is the jew a deceiver?....Is he an antichrist?...The word
>of GOD says he is. Do you have any Scripture to the contrary?
>
>
>"Whosoever transgresseth and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ,
>hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath
>both the Father and the Son". (2John 9)
>
>Does the jew have GOD? The word of GOD says he doesn't!...What
>gives you the right to say he does...when the scriptures are
>clear that he DOES NOT!!
>
>
>"If there come any unto you and bring not this doctrine, receive
>him not into your house, neither bid him God speed". (2John 10"
>
>"For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds".
>                                                       (2John 11)
>
>In vss 9, 10, 11...it says if you elevate the enemies of Christ
>to a "God choosen" position you automatically place yourself on
>the side of the enemy. If you give aid and comfort to them...you
>become partaker in their evil deeds. You will also partake in the
>condemnation that will come to the jew who curses our Lord Jesus
>Christ on the day of judgment
>
>
>js
>--
>Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite
>a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew".
>
>                                        The 1980 Jewish Almanac
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So true, Mr. Savage....Thanx for knowing the Scriptures so well...And we
think that this Jew who has replied, knows them also....For Satan said to
Eve, "Did God say....?; .....and Satan quoted Scripture to Jesus when He was
tempted in the wildernes.....And the Jews know the Scriptures; and as the
Word tells, they know that their time is short, and so they scurry around
like rodents, attempting to attack true Israel, and their ancestors, going
all the way back to Satan, did before them......The book of Obadiah is a
condemnation against any Jew.

Knowing this going in....we must always have a plan to attack the Jew in any
way the LORD directs us to....We must adhere to the Scriptures when it
states that we must "contend for the faith"....We must do no more, nor less,
than Scripture mandates......If we do this, then we will be called blessed
by the LORD Jesus Christ on that great day when we shall stand before Him.

But to love the Jew, is to hate God....For how will we take His enemies and
slay them before Him, if we love them?....We must then also be taken and
slain by those blessed saints who "contended for the faith, once given...."

Hail Jesus' Victory!
David

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Zyklon B Gas
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 07:00:47 CDT
From: "David Griffin" 
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....... Jew ,Stephen
>Abrams took his car and ran over several innocent children, killing a 4
>year
>old girl and a 3 year old boy in Costa Mesa, California and we heard a
>little
>bit about it...no screams for Car Control by the Clintonese government or
>the
>Jewish Media yet you let a white man take an automatic weapon into a Jewish
>school three months later and a few miles apart and wound 5 people and you
>are bombarded by the Jewish propaganda. I will conclude my Zylon B  posting
>early next week and put more cracks in the foundation of you alibis.
>Michael Snead
>14/88

So true, Michael....And white Christians should be informed about this "hate
crime" committed by this Jew....Were you aware, brother, that the day care
center Stephen Abrams drove his car into was a Christian daycare
center?...Mr. Abrams immediately told police that he wanted to kill these
Christian children because they were innocent....Not surprising the Jewish
controlled press did not cover this story....Where was the outcry by Mr.
Clinton or other politicians?

Also, in Chicago, last week, at Chicago White Sox ball game, a black man
came out of the crowd and beat a man and his daughter into critical
condition with a table leg....Mayor Daley said it was not a "hate
crime"....I'm not sure if either one has died yet.....Mr. Clinton had no
comment on this racial beating; as he did when Lenard Clark was alledgedly
beaten by 2 white teenagers

If someone is waiting for the United States government to protect your white
Christian family, you will be waiting forever....You must protect your own,
as God gives you the strength to do.

Hail Jesus' Vitory!
David

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Our Reaction To The Jew
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:56:44 -0400
From: jsavage 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

philnancy@aol.com wrote:
>
> Savage wrote:
>
> philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1060
> > Hi all!
> >
> >
> > philnancy@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> > > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1024
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Given the fact that the Jews are the children of the Devil, as our
> > > LORD said
> > > > they were....And given the fact that there never was a Jewish
> > > holocaust in
> > > > Europe; that Mr. Hitler treated the Jews much kinder than he
> should
> > > > have.....These facts are indisputable, and beyond reproach.
> > >
> > > There isn't a fact in the entire paragraph, just the raving of a
> lying
> > > Jew hater. Where does the Lord say Jews are the children of the
> Devil?
> > >
> >
> > John 8:44...
> >
> > "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your
> > father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning,
> > and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in
> > him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for
> > he is a liar, and the father of it".
>
> Says nothing about Jews.
>
> >
> >
> > John 8:45...
> >
> > "And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not".
>
> Says nothing about Jews.
> >
> >
> > John 8:46...
> >
> > "Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the
> > truth, why do ye not believe me"?
>
> Says nothing about Jews.
> >
> >
> > John 8:47...(notice what Jesus says about the
> > people he is talking to)
> >
> > "He that is of God heareth God's words: YE THEREFORE
> > HEAR THEM NOT, BECAUSE YE ARE NOT OF GOD".
>
> Says nothing about Jews being devils.
> >
> >
> > John 8:48...(Pay close attention mathews..this vs gives
> > the context of vs 44...
> >
> > "THEN ANSWERED THE JEWS, and said unto him, ...".
> >
>
> Says nothing about them being devils Savage!
>
> > Read the rest of vs 48 and notice the jews didn't
> > ask Jesus how they could become of God....but instead
> > continued to try and trap him
>
> Nothing to do with the contention. No surprise!
> >

js
" He who knows not, and knows not that he
knows not, is a fool. Shun him."

js
--
Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite
a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew".

                                       The 1980 Jewish Almanac

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Zyklon B Gas
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:45:26 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1073

> Philip and Herb,
> You siamese twins. Both of you are aversionist. If you knew what you
were
> actually talking about you would  agree with everything that I said.
Your
> sarcasm and witlessness doesn't make what you say right. The
propaganda that
> is on the Jewish website is exactly that. No one disputes the fact
that
> Custer had a last stand....No one disputes the fact that millions of
Russians
> were murdered from 1917-1959....that the Japanese were in work camps
during
> WWll...that Bill Clinton is a sexual predator...but two things about
the
> Holocaust really bother me, other than the fact it did not happen and
both of
> your lame excuses on the evidence is perpetuated by a conglomerated
> propaganda machine that will be stopped.

A long introductory paragraph in which you say nothing about the issue
at hand, or even attempt to answer the rebuttals made of your error
filled post on Zyklon B. Your correct that the denial of the Holocaust
is somewhat unique, and the reason is it involves Jews. SO Jew haters
such as yourself deny for that reason, even though the historical
evidence is as strong for it as any other historical event you can
name.

>     The Jews will lose to much money if it is allowed to be proven
publicly,
> they will lose the "poor ole persecuted Jew" status with the people
of the
> world. Just a matter of time when Russia will be collecting what was
stolen
> from them by the Jews, and China will join right in on the total
annihilation
> of the Jewish cult and give Jerusalem back to it's rightful owner. If
you
> read the book of Revelations you will read of the destruction of the
Jew. The
> American people give 147 million dollars a day to the state of Israel
for
> their national security and the thieves are not satisfied with that,
they
> have extorted "Holocaust" money from almost every Aryan country in
the world
> and now are trying to extort money from Australia.

I see we're back in full Jew bashing mode, having had your one lame
attempt at discussing the facts blow up in your face. No one is
extorting money from anyone. Your Nazi hero's, in addition to murdering
millions, also stole the money and property of millions. The return of
it is fully justified. The rest is just ranting.

The Australian Government,
> so far has refused to pay,  so the Jews are considering banking
sanctions
> against them. The Russian Mafia (Jewish Controlled) has extorted 15
billion
> dollars from Russia that they received from the IMF and laundered it
through
> a New York Bank (that was Jewish controlled). A Jew by the name of
Martin R.
> Frankel defrauded hundreds of millions of dollars from insurance
companies
> was caught on September 4, 1999, in a luxury hotel in Germany. Jew
,Stephen
> Abrams took his car and ran over several innocent children, killing a
4 year
> old girl and a 3 year old boy in Costa Mesa, California and we heard
a little
> bit about it...no screams for Car Control by the Clintonese
government or the
> Jewish Media yet you let a white man take an automatic weapon into a
Jewish
> school three months later and a few miles apart and wound 5 people
and you
> are bombarded by the Jewish propaganda.

Because it was a hate crime, perpetrated precisely because the victims
were Jews. That crime has nothing to do with the other allegations
you've made. Your fixation with crimes on Jews is just another
manifestation of your mindless hatred.

I will conclude my Zylon B  posting
> early next week and put more cracks in the foundation of you alibis.

Well, since your first attempt lies in ruins, and you are unable to
even try to prop it up, you already go into round two at a great
disadvantage, having demonstrated no knowledge of what you posted, and
no credibilty for making it.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Ashkenaz Gogsspawn
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:52:35 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Zimmerman wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1077

> Ed Kadach said:
> The words and wisdom that many of us have wished to share with you
> have all gone for nought.
> ~~~~~~~
> Little Philip said:
> Perhaps because you have none Eddie.
> ~~~~~~~
> Ed said:
> It is high time for some of us Identity believers not to engage you
in any
> further discussion for we are casting our pearls before the swine.
> ~~~~~~~
> Little Philip said:
> You mean because you are swine. And you've engaged no one because you
> are incompetent to do so, especially you in particular.
>
> Regards to a racist, Philip Mathews
> ~~~~~~~
> Me: Hey, Ed, take that as a compliment from little Philip who likes
to tell
> all of us how we should live by the Bible. Now, here's something
about
> racism straight from scripture and now we can see where the Ashkenaz
> Gogsspawn came from. Martin Lindstedt wrote this. I condensed it for
the
> sake of this list:
>
>      Genesis 3:15  "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman,
> and between thy seed and her seed, it shall bruise thy head, and thou
> shall bruise his heel."
>
> Martin:
>      See?  I can't help myself.  The LORD gave me a heaping helping of
> enmity as a Christian Israelite against you Satanic Ashkenaz-Gogsspawn
> and I can't help hating you so-called 'jews' any more than a
Palestinian
> Arab, who as a descendant of Ishmael, can either. And of course you
hate
> Christ and Christian Israelites as well.

Only a moronic Jew hater could see any connection.

>
>     Let's see, we have already covered Revelation 20:7-9, as to where
> you Ashkenaz-Gogsspawn, having been kept apart from your prey for a
> millennium while your daddy was in jail for that time, you get all
> huffy, encompass the Camp of the Saints, and get a good scorch for
> your presumption. How about Genesis 9:25-26? "Cursed be Canaan; a
servant of
> servant shall he be unto his brethren. And he said, Blessed be the
LORD God
> of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant."

Only a moronic Jew hater could see any connection.

>
>     Now if you were a real 'jew' instead of being Ashkenaz-Gogsspawn
> Talmud 'jew' then you would be part Canaanite and Edomite, and thus
> would be by rights my servant if I didn't get around to my duty of
> killing you off and taking your land. (See Joshua 1:6)

Typical that they give their lying interpretations rather than the
scripture itself!

>
>     ...As I recollect, you came onto this listserver demanding that
> Israelites worship you Ashkenaz-Gogsspawn and observe all your
holyhoaxes.
> All I've done is to show in the Bible the ancestry
> of you Khazars and your lies.

All you've done is lie.

The remainder of Zimmerman's mindless Jew hating snipped. Zimmerman is
another moron who has abandoned discussion of the Holocaust because her
base ignorance and lies were exposed. She instead consoles herself with
posting Jew hating interpretations of scripture that would be denounced
by any true Christian, and reinforces her image as a pathetic hater of
her fellow man, a lost soul whose hatred will eat her up one day.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] SS Schluch - NaziTestimony About Gassing Jews
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:29:12 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Testimony of SS-Unterscharfuehrer Schluch, In the Belzec-Oberhauser
trial:
[Quoted in "BELZEC, SOBIBOR, TREBLINKA - the Operation Reinhard
Death Camps", Indiana University Press - Yitzhak Arad, 1987, p. 70-71].
---------------------------------------------------------------
After leaving the undressing barracks, I had to show the Jews the
way to the gas chambers. I believe that when I showed the Jews
the way they were convinced that they were really going to
the baths. After the Jews entered the gas chambers, the doors
were closed by Hackenholt himself or by the Ukrainians
subordinated to him. Then Hackenholt switched on the engine
which supplied the gas...

I could see that the lips and tips of the noses were a bluish
color. Some of them had their closed, other's eyes rolled. The
bodies were dragged out of the gas chambers and inspected by a
dentist, who removed finger rings and gold teeth...

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Goebbels Diary - Nazi Documents on the Extermination of the Jews
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:33:34 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

The Goebbels [Reich propaganda Minister] diaries, March 27, 1942:
[The Goebbels Diaries 1942-1943 - L.P. Lochner, Doubleday & Co., 1948,
p. 147-148]
-----------------------------------------------------------
Beginning with Lublin, the Jews in the General Government
[Nazi occupied Poland] are now being evacuated eastward. The procedure
is a pretty barbaric one and not to be described here more definitely.
Not much will remain of the Jews. On the whole it can be said that
about
60 per cent of them will have to be liquidated whereas only 40 per cent
can be used for forced labor.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Zyklon B Gas
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:07:34 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Griffin wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1079
>
>
>
> >From: SNEADSTER@aol.com

>
> ....... Jew ,Stephen
> >Abrams took his car and ran over several innocent children, killing
a 4
> >year
> >old girl and a 3 year old boy in Costa Mesa, California and we heard
a
> >little
> >bit about it...no screams for Car Control by the Clintonese
government or
> >the
> >Jewish Media yet you let a white man take an automatic weapon into a
Jewish
> >school three months later and a few miles apart and wound 5 people
and you
> >are bombarded by the Jewish propaganda. I will conclude my Zylon B
posting
> >early next week and put more cracks in the foundation of you alibis.
> >Michael Snead
> >14/88
>
>
> So true, Michael....And white Christians should be informed about
this "hate
> crime" committed by this Jew..

I didn't think you moronic haters believed in hate crimes? I also see
you've further circumscribed your group to just white Christians. Mind
pointing out where Christ supports such a delineation? Just more
evidence that you Identity types are a collection of racist haters,
hiding behind a Christian facade which stands true Christian values on
their head.

> Hail Jesus' Vitory!

Jesus reviles people like you and the hate you spew!

Philip Mathews

> David

>
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Subject: [13texan] "Jews Screwing Jews"
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:17:45 PDT
From: "Jeanne-Marie Zimmerman" 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

I think for the purpose of this list, it is a good idea to ignore the
Gogsspawn Mamzer pets. It is because the Master never has to answer to his
pets. These Mamzers are NEVER AFRAID of being STUPID. Stupid is as stupid
does, these Gogsspawn, as Martin Lindstedt would say, "just operate with a
mindless charge, damn the torpedos, at full throttle." However, I think we
should feel free to use their stupidity when something they say can be used
to illustrate an idea for the benefit of the truth.

Now, here is some real interesting news below:

"Jews Screwing Jews"

The j*w lawyers are now screwing the alleged holohoax victims out of
their money gleefully donated by the Swiss Banks.

Tuesday, August 24, 1999
Culled from The Associated Press
New York

Holohoax actors worried over the way money from Swiss banks may be
distributed among them in a class action suit said yesterday they are
withdrawing from the settlement. too much of the settlement sheckles
will go to the j*w lawyers and not enough to the lying survivors.

j*w gizella WEISSHAUS, one of the first plaintiffs in the $1.2 BILLION
action said she no longer wanted to be associated with the suit and
planned to have her name removed. Others at a news conference criticized the
j*w lawyers and judge overseeing it. They said the holohoaxers were also
likely to get short shrift from German companies accused of using slave
labour during WWII.

"The Swiss and German and other class action suits don't work on our
behalf," said paul FRANKEL who heads a group for WWII survivor justice, and
whose members are also planning to dump the suit. " Our only control is to
opt out."

The group claims that survivors who make claims under the suit against
Credit Suisse and UBS AG would get as little as $500 after the j*w
lawyers get through with them.

The banks have agreed to pay account-holders and/or heirs 10 times the
value of their wartime accounts. The alleged victims and FRANKEL want
114 times the value of the deposits. Elan STEINBERG, exec. director of
the WJC said lawyers should handle the case for free.

"From the Chronicles of . . . . . .The Holy Grail"

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Jews Forced America Into World War II
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:41:14 CDT
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..... regardless of what the Jew did or didn't have They declared war on
>Germany in March of 1933. I provided that information once, Go look in the
>archives of this list.
>Michael Snead
>14/88

Very true, brother....this is why the Jews had to be concentrated....they
gave Mr. Hitler no choice when they declared war on their own
country....although Mr. Hitler did give them the chance to leave Germany,
but they chose to stay in Germany, therefore giving Mr. Hitler absolutely no
alternative than to concentrate them; as any honorable leader would
do.....one that would love his country, that is.

Yes, Michael, thank you for showing us in prior postings how the Jews
declared war on Germany, thereby getting much less than they really
deserved.

Hail Jesus' Victory!
David

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Zyklon B Gas
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:12:32 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Now I understand the "parrot" phrases that I keep seeing when the others on
this list are referring to you,  though I will stick with the usual," You
aversionist ingeminated schmuck(a term you're surly familiar with)" To answer
your question about hate crime....You are right, I do not believe in "hate
crimes" however, If the ZOG government is going to charge with hate crimes
then they need to do it to everyone. I personally believe that a crime is a
crime. "Dingle Berry"

In a message dated 9/11/99 2:07:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
philnancy@aol.com writes:

<< I didn't think you moronic haters believed in hate crimes? I also see
 you've further circumscribed your group to just white Christians. Mind
 pointing out where Christ supports such a delineation?

***Be ye not unequally yoked.......2 Corinthians 6:14
***Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye pearls before
the swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend
you. Matt. 7:14

Just more evidence that you Identity types are a collection of racist haters,
 hiding behind a Christian facade which stands true Christian values on
 their head.
  >>
....and you think that the Jews aren't a collection of racist haters? Let's
ask the Syrians, Palestinians, Egyptians, and................on
and....................on and ...............on and on...........Ask someone
who is going to marry a Jew? Ask the men that were on the USS Liberty in June
of 1967? Ask the survivors of the real Holocaust that went on for 40 years by
 the Jewish controlled Soviet Russia. Hey parrot, give me a break on your
self righteousness and your beguiled intellect. What would you know about
Christian Values since you are a Jew?

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Hans Stark - Nazis Testify to Gassing At Auschwitz
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:45:44 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

SNEADSTER@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 9/10/99 8:06:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gormanh@home.com
> writes:
>
> << That's all very CroMagnon of you Michael, and we're all trembling in
> suitable
>  terror... say, Michael, what would you do if I refused to buy your car?
>   >>
>
> Phil, I was hypothetically speaking.....What in the hell are you talking
> about, I do not own any cars.....1953 Chevy Pickup, 1997 Chevy Silverado
> extra cab, and a 99 Lincoln Navigator. My wife has a T-bird if you want to
> buy that. Pigmies would appear like that (Cro-Magnon) to you Jews.

You're a funny guy, Michael... I don't know why you think I'm a Jew, but if the
fantasy turns your crank, hey, I don't mind. I'm pure Celtic stock, by the way...
well, as pure as we can get with all those barbarians running about Europe
planting seeds amongst the peasantry, you know?

What I was talking about, of course, given your promise of a magnificently Alpha
Dog reception if I were to pee in your garden, was what you would do if I simply
stated that I would never buy anything from you.... you see, Michael, that's what
the Jews were saying to the Nazi thugs that were ruining German - we won't buy
your stuff, because we don't want to support bullies.... that's what you keep
calling a "declaration of war." So I thought maybe you would think it would be
perfectly ok for you to shoot me if I refused to buy your car - that's what you
postulate for the Nazi reaction to a threat of Jewish boycott...

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Zyklon B Gas
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:53:02 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

SNEADSTER@aol.com wrote:

> Philip and Herb,
> You siamese twins. Both of you are aversionist. If you knew what you were
> actually talking about you would  agree with everything that I said. Your

It's a lot you're asking, Michael, since some of the things you've said are
obvious falsehoods. No, I'm not calling you a liar, Michael, I know that a pure
Aryan type like you, all that nobility just bubbling in your veins, wouldn't
dream of lying about something as easily unraveled as that Leuchter silliness you
copied....

> sarcasm and witlessness doesn't make what you say right. The propaganda that

That's fine, Michael, just point out where I'm *not* right... you know, cut the
crap and get down to *facts* instead of that revomited Holocaust denial stuff.

> is on the Jewish website is exactly that. No one disputes the fact that
> Custer had a last stand....No one disputes the fact that millions of Russians
> were murdered from 1917-1959....that the Japanese were in work camps during
> WWll...that Bill Clinton is a sexual predator...but two things about the
> Holocaust really bother me, other than the fact it did not happen and both of
> your lame excuses on the evidence is perpetuated by a conglomerated
> propaganda machine that will be stopped.

Alas, Michael, it *did* happen, no matter how hard the nazis try to wave it all
away. We've seen here, quite openly, how you have made statements and then
avoided backing them up with facts... we've seen how polite requests for
documentation are ignored... you see, no matter how often you say "it didn't
happen," the reality is that you and I both know it did happen. You may even be
glad it happened, Michael... all that "88/14" kid stuff suggests that... it's
just a nice way for you to turn the kife in the victims' backs, right? You don't
like Jews, you don't like yourself too much, and you like hurting them when you
can.. fair enough, but I'd think a real Aryan sort of guy would own up to it,
like the Nazis did, rather than hide behind this woman's skirt of Holocaust
denial.

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Subject: [13texan] Psssst, Herb, over here.........
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:48:20 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

    Herb, Did I not tell you that I would finish up early next week?  Not
that it matters to me how your mannerisms are and regardless of your
requests. The completion of the Zylon B will be sometime early next week.

x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x

Alas, Michael, it *did* happen, no matter how hard the nazis try to wave it
all
away. We've seen here, quite openly, how you have made statements and then
avoided backing them up with facts... we've seen how polite requests for
documentation are ignored... you see, no matter how often you say "it didn't
happen," the reality is that you and I both know it did happen.

x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x

Herb, The perpetual lies of the holohoax deniers have been rampant my entire
life. If something so perplexing actually happened the Jews would not refrain
from some kind of objectivity in research.  The researchers know that if they
tell the real truth they will lose their job, credibility, freedom and a life
time of provocation. You are in Holohoax denial and your fears are that when
more and more people start questioning the "Jewish sympathy syndrome" your
race (No Celtic would defend the holocaust) will be laughed at. Most
Americans do not trust the media and their objectivity so when the shift
comes it will be world wide. If you are the Christian that you say you are
even you know that in Revelations Israel is destroyed. Have you been baptized
in the Name of Jesus Christ as it says in Acts 2:38?  Or the Roman baptism in
the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost( Matt.28:19)?

x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x

    You may even be glad it happened, Michael... all that "88/14" kid stuff
suggests that... it's just a nice way for you to turn the kife in the
victims' backs, right? You don't like Jews, you don't like yourself too much,
and you like hurting them when you
can.. fair enough, but I'd think a real Aryan sort of guy would own up to it,
like the Nazis did, rather than hide behind this woman's skirt of Holocaust
denial.

x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x

    Herb, How can I be glad that something happened that in reality didn't
happen?
What Victims Herb? What victims? I love me, do you love me Herb? If you are a
Christian you would have to love me...is that not correct? So Herb, Do you
really Love me? I have never hurt anyone just out of malice or because of
what they are. I have to admit that I am an Aryan sort of guy, you have me
pegged and I will own up to the fact that the Jews are attacking Christians
from every angle and I hate that and I am doing my part to mobilize my people
to be ready. I feel that the Nazi's are the real victims in the lie of the
Holocaust and that the Jews are the parasite victimizers. Depending on what
the woman looks like if I would hide behind her skirt or not. She would have
to be at least 5'9" or they are too short with me being 6'6".
Michael Snead
14/88
You had it (14?88) backwards, Herb, but I don't guess that it matters.
Do you Love me Herb?

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Subject: [13texan] Re: "Jews Screwing Jews"
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:42:08 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Zimmerman wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1086
> I think for the purpose of this list, it is a good idea to ignore the
> Gogsspawn Mamzer pets. It is because the Master never has to answer
to his
> pets.

Hehe. In other words, since we get our asses kicked every time we try
to defend our beliefs, maybe we better come up with some excuse for not
responding!

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Jews Forced America Into World War II
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:48:07 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Griffin wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1087
>
>
>
> >From: SNEADSTER@aol.com

>
> ..... regardless of what the Jew did or didn't have They declared war
on
> >Germany in March of 1933. I provided that information once, Go look
in the
> >archives of this list.
> >Michael Snead
> >14/88
>
>
> Very true, brother....this is why the Jews had to be
concentrated....they
> gave Mr. Hitler no choice when they declared war on their own
> country....although Mr. Hitler did give them the chance to leave
Germany,
> but they chose to stay in Germany, therefore giving Mr. Hitler
absolutely no
> alternative than to concentrate them; as any honorable leader would
> do.....one that would love his country, that is.

Nonsense. Jews did not declare war on Germany and they posed no threat
to Hitler and the Nazis. They were concentrated as part of a search for
a Final Solution, one which ended with extermination. There were close
to 10 million Jews in Europe at this time, Hitler knew there was
nowhere for this many people to go.

>
> Yes, Michael, thank you for showing us in prior postings how the Jews
> declared war on Germany, thereby getting much less than they really
> deserved.

Thanks for showing how moronic you are in addition to being a vile Jew
hater. The Lord have mercy on your miserable soul.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Zyklon B Gas
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:50:57 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1088

> Now I understand the "parrot" phrases that I keep seeing when the
others on
> this list are referring to you,  though I will stick with the usual,"
You
> aversionist ingeminated schmuck(a term you're surly familiar with)"
To answer
> your question about hate crime....You are right, I do not believe in
"hate
> crimes" however, If the ZOG government is going to charge with hate
crimes
> then they need to do it to everyone. I personally believe that a
crime is a
> crime. "Dingle Berry"

Thank you for admitting that in addition to being a moron and a Jew
hater, you are also a hypocrite.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Psssst, Herb, over here.........
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:10:17 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1091

>     Herb, Did I not tell you that I would finish up early next week?
Not
> that it matters to me how your mannerisms are and regardless of your
> requests. The completion of the Zylon B will be sometime early next
week.

I hope it's better than the first part, which was so easily demolished
you were unwilling to defend it at all.

>
> x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x
>
> Alas, Michael, it *did* happen, no matter how hard the nazis try to
wave it
> all
> away. We've seen here, quite openly, how you have made statements and
then
> avoided backing them up with facts... we've seen how polite requests
for
> documentation are ignored... you see, no matter how often you say "it
didn't
> happen," the reality is that you and I both know it did happen.
>
>
> x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x
>
>
> Herb, The perpetual lies of the holohoax deniers have been rampant my
entire
> life.
Funny that you haven't been able to show one thing about the Holocaust
that is a lie. Why is that?

If something so perplexing actually happened the Jews would not refrain
> from some kind of objectivity in research.  The researchers know that
if they
> tell the real truth they will lose their job, credibility, freedom
and a life
> time of provocation.

More speculation with no evidence. The research for this historical
event was done by historians of all religious and ethnic backgrounds.
Historians know it happened and this fact causes deniers like you such
trouble that you must invent fantastic conspiracies to justify it.

 >You are in Holohoax denial and your fears are that when
> more and more people start questioning the "Jewish sympathy syndrome"
your
> race (No Celtic would defend the holocaust) will be laughed at.

Mere bluster. A Celtic would certainly defend the truth, as would a
real Christian.

 Most
> Americans do not trust the media and their objectivity so when the
shift
> comes it will be world wide.

The media has nothing to do with the history of the Holocaust.

>     You may even be glad it happened, Michael... all that "88/14" kid
stuff
> suggests that... it's just a nice way for you to turn the kife in the
> victims' backs, right? You don't like Jews, you don't like yourself
too much,
> and you like hurting them when you
> can.. fair enough, but I'd think a real Aryan sort of guy would own
up to it,
> like the Nazis did, rather than hide behind this woman's skirt of
Holocaust
> denial.
>
>
> x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x
>
>
>     Herb, How can I be glad that something happened that in reality
didn't
> happen?
> What Victims Herb? What victims? I love me, do you love me Herb? If
you are a
> Christian you would have to love me...is that not correct? So Herb,
Do you
> really Love me? I have never hurt anyone just out of malice or
because of
> what they are. I have to admit that I am an Aryan sort of guy, you
have me
> pegged and I will own up to the fact that the Jews are attacking
Christians
> from every angle and I hate that and I am doing my part to mobilize
my people
> to be ready. I feel that the Nazi's are the real victims in the lie
of the
> Holocaust and that the Jews are the parasite victimizers.

Yes, and you believe this because you hate Jews, not because there is
any evidence to support your belief.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Phillip..........This is for you, Moron Parrot
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:42:08 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Phil, and thank you for confirming that you are an aversionist swine that the
smaller your ideas the more words you use to express them.
"Judge not that ye be not judged"     Matt 7:1
"The Lord Shall judge his people"     De  32:36----Ps 50:4----135:14----Heb
10:30
"Let us not judge one another"         Romans  14:13

You have never read where I said that I hate anyone so to argue about that
isn't worth it to me since you believe so many lies and convey them too.

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:

> Now I understand the "parrot" phrases that I keep seeing when the
others on
> this list are referring to you,  though I will stick with the usual,"
You
> aversionist ingeminated schmuck(a term you're surly familiar with)"
To answer
> your question about hate crime....You are right, I do not believe in
"hate
> crimes" however, If the ZOG government is going to charge with hate
crimes
> then they need to do it to everyone. I personally believe that a
crime is a
> crime. "Dingle Berry"

Thank you for admitting that in addition to being a moron and a Jew
hater, you are also a hypocrite.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Psssst, Herb, over here.........
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:45:40 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Phil, Maybe you should read what I wrote again and then read the reply of
both of you parrots and you will see more holes in you excuses than a pair of
concentration camp socks......
Michael Snead
14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Jews Forced America Into World War II
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:47:46 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

Phil, You schmuck, you have a new word....moron?

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Subject: [13texan] Re: A Jewish Defector Warns
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 23:15:58 -0400
From: jsavage 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Good factual post Shane....

Shane Krowe wrote:
>
> A Jewish Defector Warns
> America:
> Benjamin Freedman Speaks
>
> by Benjamin H. Freedman
>
>      Introductory Note
>
>      Benjamin H. Freedman was one of the most intriguing and amazing
>      individuals of the 20th century. Mr. Freedman, born in 1890, was
> a
>      successful Jewish businessman of New York City who was at one
> time the
>      principal owner of the Woodbury Soap Company. He broke with
> organized
>      Jewry after the Judeo-Communist victory of 1945, and spent the
> remainder
>      of his life and the great preponderance of his considerable
> fortune, at least
>      2.5 million dollars, exposing the Jewish tyranny which has
> enveloped the
>      United States. Mr. Freedman knew what he was talking about
> because he
>      had been an insider at the highest levels of Jewish organizations
> and Jewish
>      machinations to gain power over our nation. Mr. Freedman was
> personally
>      acquainted with Bernard Baruch, Samuel Untermyer, Woodrow Wilson,
>      Franklin Roosevelt, Joseph Kennedy, and John F. Kennedy, and many
>      more movers and shakers of our times. This speech was given
> before a
>      patriotic audience in 1961 at the Willard Hotel in Washington,
> D.C., on
>      behalf of Conde McGinley's patriotic newspaper of that time,
> Common
>      Sense. Though in some minor ways this wide-ranging and
> extemporaneous
>      speech has become dated, Mr. Freedman's essential message to us
> -- his
>      warning to the West -- is more urgent than ever before. -- K.A.S.
>
>      *
>      HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, the Zionists and their co-religionists
>      have complete control of our government. For many reasons, too
> many and
>      too complex to go into here at this time, the Zionists and their
> co-religionists
>      rule these United States as though they were the absolute
> monarchs of this
>      country. Now you may say that is a very broad statement, but let
> me show
>      you what happened while we were all asleep.
>
>      What happened? World War I broke out in the summer of 1914. There
> are
>      few people here my age who remember that. Now that war was waged
> on
>      one side by Great Britain, France, and Russia; and on the other
> side by
>      Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Turkey.
>
>      Within two years Germany had won that war: not only won it
> nominally,
>      but won it actually. The German submarines, which were a surprise
> to the
>      world, had swept all the convoys from the Atlantic Ocean.
>
>      Great Britain stood there without ammunition for her soldiers,
> with one
>      week's food supply -- and after that, starvation. At that time,
> the French
>      army had mutinied. They had lost 600,000 of the flower of French
> youth in
>      the defense of Verdun on the Somme. The Russian army was
> defecting,
>      they were picking up their toys and going home, they didn't want
> to play
>      war anymore, they didn't like the Czar. And the Italian army had
> collapsed.
>
>      Not a shot had been fired on German soil. Not one enemy soldier
> had
>      crossed the border into Germany. And yet, Germany was offering
> England
>      peace terms. They offered England a negotiated peace on what the
> lawyers
>      call a status quo ante basis. That means: “Let's call the
> war off, and let
>      everything be as it was before the war started.” England,
> in the summer of
>      1916 was considering that -- seriously. They had no choice. It
> was either
>      accepting this negotiated peace that Germany was magnanimously
> offering
>      them, or going on with the war and being totally defeated.
>
>      While that was going on, the Zionists in Germany, who represented
> the
>      Zionists from Eastern Europe, went to the British War Cabinet and
> -- I am
>      going to be brief because it's a long story, but I have all the
> documents to
>      prove any statement that I make -- they said: “Look here.
> You can yet win
>      this war. You don't have to give up. You don't have to accept the
>      negotiated peace offered to you now by Germany. You can win this
> war if
>      the United States will come in as your ally.” The United
> States was not in
>      the war at that time. We were fresh; we were young; we were rich;
> we
>      were powerful. They told England: “We will guarantee to
> bring the United
>      States into the war as your ally, to fight with you on your side,
> if you will
>      promise us Palestine after you win the war.” In other
> words, they made this
>      deal: “We will get the United States into this war as your
> ally. The price you
>      must pay is Palestine after you have won the war and defeated
> Germany,
>      Austria-Hungary, and Turkey.” Now England had as much right
> to promise
>      Palestine to anybody, as the United States would have to promise
> Japan to
>      Ireland for any reason whatsoever. It's absolutely absurd that
> Great Britain,
>      that never had any connection or any interest or any right in
> what is known
>      as Palestine should offer it as coin of the realm to pay the
> Zionists for
>      bringing the United States into the war. However, they did make
> that
>      promise, in October of 1916. And shortly after that -- I don't
> know how
>      many here remember it -- the United States, which was almost
> totally
>      pro-German, entered the war as Britain's ally.
>
>      I say that the United States was almost totally pro-German
> because the
>      newspapers here were&127 controlled by Jews, the bankers were
> Jews, all
>      the media of mass communications in this country were controlled
> by Jews;
>      and they, the Jews, were pro-German. They were pro-German because
>      many of them had come from Germany, and also they wanted to see
>      Germany lick the Czar.
>      The Jews didn't like the Czar, and they didn't want Russia to win
> this war.
>      These German-Jew bankers, like Kuhn Loeb and the other big
> banking
>      firms in the United States refused to finance France or England
> to the extent
>      of one dollar. They stood aside and they said: “As long as
> France and
>      England are tied up with Russia, not one cent!” But they
> poured money into
>      Germany, they fought beside Germany against Russia, trying to
> lick the
>      Czarist regime.
>
>      Now those same Jews, when they saw the possibility of getting
> Palestine,
>      went to England and they made this deal. At that time, everything
> changed,
>      like a traffic light that changes from red to green. Where the
> newspapers
>      had been all pro-German, where they'd been telling the people of
> the
>      difficulties that Germany was having fighting Great Britain
> commercially
>      and in other respects, all of a sudden the Germans were no good.
> They
>      were villains. They were Huns. They were shooting Red Cross
> nurses.
>      They were cutting off babies' hands. They were no good.
>      Shortly after that, Mr. Wilson declared war on Germany.
>
>      The Zionists in London had sent cables to the United States, to
> Justice
>      Brandeis, saying “Go to work on President Wilson. We're
> getting from
>      England what we want. Now you go to work on President Wilson and
> get
>      the United States into the war.” That's how the United
> States got into the
>      war. We had no more interest in it; we had no more right to be in
> it than we
>      have to be on the moon tonight instead of in this room. There was
>      absolutely no reason for World War I to be our war. We were
> railroaded
>      into -- if I can be vulgar, we were suckered into -- that war
> merely so that
>      the Zionists of the world could obtain Palestine. That is
> something that the
>      people of the United States have never been told. They never knew
> why
>      we went into World War I.
>
>      After we got into the war, the Zionists went to Great Britain and
> they said:
>      “Well, we performed our part of the agreement. Let's have
> something in
>      writing that shows that you are going to keep your bargain and
> give us
>      Palestine after you win the war.” They didn't know whether
> the war would
>      last another year or another ten years. So they started to work
> out a receipt.
>      The receipt took the form of a letter, which was worded in very
> cryptic
>      language so that the world at large wouldn't know what it was all
> about.
>      And that was called the Balfour Declaration.
>
>      The Balfour Declaration was merely Great Britain's promise to pay
> the
>      Zionists what they had agreed upon as a consideration for getting
> the United
>      States into the war. So this great Balfour Declaration, that you
> hear so
>      much about, is just as phony as a three dollar bill. I don't
> think I could
>      make it more emphatic than that.
>
>      That is where all the trouble started. The United States got in
> the war. The
>      United States crushed Germany. You know what happened. When the
> war
>      ended, and the Germans went to Paris for the Paris Peace
> Conference in
>      1919 there were 117 Jews there, as a delegation representing the
> Jews,
>      headed by Bernard Baruch. I was there: I ought to know. Now what
>      happened? The Jews at that peace conference, when they were
> cutting up
>      Germany and parceling out Europe to all these nations who claimed
> a right
>      to a certain part of European territory, said, “How about
> Palestine for us?”
>      And they produced, for the first time to the knowledge of the
> Germans, this
>      Balfour Declaration. So the Germans, for the first time realized,
> “Oh, so
>      that was the game!
>      That's why the United States came into the war.” The
> Germans for the first
>      time realized that they were defeated, they suffered the terrific
> reparations
>      that were slapped onto them, because the Zionists wanted
> Palestine and
>      were determined to get it at any cost.
>
>      That brings us to another very interesting point. When the
> Germans realized
>      this, they naturally resented it. Up to that time, the Jews had
> never been
>      better off in any country in the world than they had been in
> Germany. You
>      had Mr. Rathenau there, who was maybe 100 times as important in
>      industry and finance as is Bernard Baruch in this country. You
> had Mr.
>      Balin, who owned the two big steamship lines, the North German
> Lloyd's
>      and the Hamburg-American Lines. You had Mr. Bleichroder, who was
> the
>      banker for the Hohenzollern family. You had the Warburgs in
> Hamburg,
>      who were the big merchant bankers -- the biggest in the world.
> The Jews
>      were doing very well in Germany. No question about that. The
> Germans
>      felt: “Well, that was quite a sellout.”
>
>      It was a sellout that might be compared to this hypothetical
> situation:
>      Suppose the United States was at war with the Soviet Union. And
> we were
>      winning. And we told the Soviet Union: “Well, let's quit.
> We offer you
>      peace terms. Let's forget the whole thing.” And all of a
> sudden Red China
>      came into the war as an ally of the Soviet Union. And throwing
> them into
>      the war brought about our defeat. A crushing defeat, with
> reparations the
>      likes of which man's imagination cannot encompass. Imagine, then,
> after
>      that defeat, if we found out that it was the Chinese in this
> country, our
>      Chinese citizens, who all the time we had thought were loyal
> citizens
>      working with us, were selling us out to the Soviet Union and that
> it was
>      through them that Red China was brought into the war against us.
> How
>      would we feel, then, in the United States against Chinese? I
> don't think that
>      one of them would dare show his face on any street. There
> wouldn't be
>      enough convenient lampposts to take care of them. Imagine how we
> would
>      feel.
>
>      Well, that's how the Germans felt towards these Jews. They'd been
> so nice
>      to them: from 1905 on, when the first Communist revolution in
> Russia
>      failed, and the Jews had to scramble out of Russia, they all went
> to
>      Germany. And Germany gave them refuge. And they were treated very
>      nicely. And here they had sold Germany down the river for no
> reason at all
>      other than the fact that they wanted Palestine as a so-called
> “Jewish
>      commonwealth.”
>
>      Now Nahum Sokolow, and all the great leaders and great names that
> you
>      read about in connection with Zionism today, in 1919, 1920, 1921,
> 1922,
>      and 1923 wrote in all their papers -- and the press was filled
> with their
>      statements -- that the feeling against the Jews in Germany is due
> to the fact
>      that they realized that this great defeat was brought about by
> Jewish
>      intercession in bringing the United States into the war. The Jews
> themselves
>      admitted that. It wasn't that the Germans in 1919 discovered that
> a glass of
>      Jewish blood tasted better than Coca-Cola or Muenschner Beer.
> There was
>      no religious feeling. There was no sentiment against those people
> merely on
>      account of their religious belief. It was all political. It was
> economic. It was
>      anything but religious. Nobody cared in Germany whether a Jew
> went
>      home and pulled down the shades and said “Shema'
> Yisroel” or “Our
>      Father.” Nobody cared in Germany any more than they do in
> the United
>      States. Now this feeling that developed later in Germany was due
> to one
>      thing: the Germans held the Jews responsible for their crushing
> defeat.
>
>      And World War I had been started against Germany for no reason
> for
>      which Germany was responsible. They were guilty of nothing. Only
> of
>      being successful. They built up a big navy.
>      They built up world trade. You must remember that Germany at the
> time of
>      the French Revolution consisted of 300 small city-states,
> principalities,
>      dukedoms, and so forth. Three hundred separate little political
> entities. And
>      between that time, between the times of Napoleon and Bismarck,
> they were
>      consolidated into one state. And within 50 years they became one
> of the
>      world's great powers. Their navy was rivalling Great Britain's,
> they were
>      doing business all over the world, they could undersell anybody,
> they could
>      make better products. What happened as a result of that?
>
>      There was a conspiracy between England, France, and Russia to
> slap down
>      Germany. There isn't one historian in the world who can find a
> valid reason
>      why those three countries decided to wipe Germany off the map
> politically.
>
>      When Germany realized that the Jews were responsible for her
> defeat, they
>      naturally resented it. But not a hair on the head of any Jew was
> harmed.
>      Not a single hair. Professor Tansill, of Georgetown University,
> who had
>      access to all the secret papers of the State Department, wrote in
> his book,
>      and quoted from a State Department document written by Hugo
> Schoenfelt,
>      a Jew whom Cordell Hull sent to Europe in 1933 to investigate the
> so-called
>      camps of political prisoners, who wrote back that he found them
> in very
>      fine condition. They were in excellent shape, with everybody
> treated well.
>      And they were filled with Communists. Well, a lot of them were
> Jews,
>      because the Jews happened to comprise about 98 per cent of the
>      Communists in Europe at that time. And there were some priests
> there, and
>      ministers, and labor leaders, and Masons, and others who had
> international
>      affiliations.
>
>      Some background is in order: In 1918-1919 the Communists took
> over
>      Bavaria for a few days.
>      Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht and a group of other Jews took
> over
>      the government for three days. In fact, when the Kaiser ended the
> war he
>      fled to Holland because he thought the Communists were going to
> take over
>      Germany as they did Russia and that he was going to meet the same
> fate as
>      the Czar. So he fled to Holland for safety, for security. After
> the
>      Communist threat in Germany was quashed, the Jews were still
> working,
>      trying to get back into their former status, and the Germans
> fought them in
>      every way they could without hurting a single hair on anyone's
> head. They
>      fought them the same way that, in this country, the
> Prohibitionists fought
>      anyone who was interested in liquor. They didn't fight one
> another with
>      pistols. Well, that's the way they were fighting the Jews in
> Germany. And at
>      that time, mind you, there were 80 to 90 million Germans, and
> there were
>      only 460,000 Jews. About one half of one per cent of the
> population of
>      Germany were Jews. And yet they controlled all the press, and
> they
>      controlled most of the economy because they had come in with
> cheap
>      money when the mark was devalued and bought up practically
> everything.
>
>      The Jews tried to keep a lid on this fact. They didn't want the
> world to
>      really understand that they had sold out Germany, and that the
> Germans
>      resented that.
>
>      The Germans took appropriate action against the Jews. They, shall
> I say,
>      discriminated against them wherever they could. They shunned
> them. The
>      same way that we would shun the Chinese, or the Negroes, or the
>      Catholics, or anyone in this country who had sold us out to an
> enemy and
>      brought about our defeat.
>
>      After a while, the Jews of the world called a meeting in
> Amsterdam. Jews
>      from every country in the world attended this meeting in July
> 1933. And
>      they said to Germany: “You fire Hitler, and you put every
> Jew back into his
>      former position, whether he was a Communist or no matter what he
> was.
>      You can't treat us that way. And we, the Jews of the world, are
> serving an
>      ultimatum upon you.” You can imagine what the Germans told
> them. So
>      what did the Jews do?
>
>      In 1933, when Germany refused to surrender to the world
> conference of
>      Jews in Amsterdam, the conference broke up, and Mr. Samuel
> Untermyer,
>      who was the head of the American delegation and the president of
> the
>      whole conference, came to the United States and went from the
> steamer to
>      the studios of the Columbia Broadcasting System and made a radio
>      broadcast throughout the United States in which he in effect
> said, “The
>      Jews of the world now declare a Holy War against Germany. We are
> now
>      engaged in a sacred conflict against the Germans. And we are
> going to
>      starve them into surrender. We are going to use a world-wide
> boycott
>      against them. That will destroy them because they are dependent
> upon their
>      export business.” And it is a fact that two thirds of
> Germany's food supply
>      had to be imported, and it could only be imported with the
> proceeds of
>      what they exported. So if Germany could not export, two thirds of
>      Germany's population would have to starve. There was just not
> enough
>      food for more than one third of the population. Now in this
> declaration,
>      which I have here, and which was printed in the New York Times on
>      August 7, 1933, Mr. Samuel Untermyer boldly stated that
> “this economic
>      boycott is our means of self-defense. President Roosevelt has
> advocated its
>      use in the National Recovery Administration,” which some of
> you may
>      remember, where everybody was to be boycotted unless he followed
> the
>      rules laid down by the New Deal, and which was declared
> unconstitutional
>      by the Supreme Court of that time. Nevertheless, the Jews of the
> world
>      declared a boycott against Germany, and it was so effective that
> you
>      couldn't find one thing in any store anywhere in the world with
> the words
>      “made in Germany” on it. In fact, an executive of the
> Woolworth Company
>      told me that they had to dump millions of dollars worth of
> crockery and
>      dishes into the river; that their stores were boycotted if anyone
> came in and
>      found a dish marked “made in Germany,” they were
> picketed with signs
>      saying “Hitler,” “murderer,” and so
> forth, something like these sit-ins that
>      are taking place in the South. At a store belonging to the R. H.
> Macy chain,
>      which was controlled by a family called Strauss who also happen
> to be
>      Jews, a woman found stockings there which came from Chemnitz,
> marked
>      “made in Germany.” Well, they were cotton stockings
> and they may have
>      been there 20 years, since I've been observing women's legs for
> many years
>      and it's been a long time since I've seen any cotton stockings on
> them. I
>      saw Macy's boycotted, with hundreds of people walking around with
> signs
>      saying “murderers,” “Hitlerites,” and so
> forth. Now up to that time, not one
>      hair on the head of any Jew had been hurt in Germany. There was
> no
>      suffering, there was no starvation, there was no murder, there
> was nothing.
>
>      Naturally, the Germans said, “Who are these people to
> declare a boycott
>      against us and throw all our people out of work, and make our
> industries
>      come to a standstill? Who are they to do that to us?” They
> naturally
>      resented it. Certainly they painted swastikas on stores owned by
> Jews. Why
>      should a German go in and give his money to a storekeeper who was
> part
>      of a boycott that was going to starve Germany into surrendering
> to the Jews
>      of the world, who were going to dictate who their premier or
> chancellor was
>      to be? Well, it was ridiculous.
>
>      The boycott continued for some time, but it wasn't until 1938,
> when a
>      young Jew from Poland walked into the German embassy in Paris and
> shot
>      a German official, that the Germans really started to get rough
> with the
>      Jews in Germany. And you found them then breaking windows and
> having
>      street fights and so forth.
>
>      Now I don't like to use the word “anti-Semitism”
> because it's meaningless,
>      but it means something to you still, so I'll have to use it. The
> only reason
>      that there was any feeling in Germany against Jews was that they
> were
>      responsible for World War I and for this world-wide boycott.
> Ultimately
>      they were also responsible for World War II, because after this
> thing got out
>      of hand, it was absolutely necessary for the Jews and Germany to
> lock
>      horns in a war to see which one was going to survive.
>
>      In the meanwhile, I had lived in Germany, and I knew that the
> Germans
>      had decided that Europe is going to be Christian or Communist:
> there is no
>      in between. And the Germans decided they were going to keep it
> Christian
>      if possible. And they started to re-arm.
>
>      In November 1933 the United States recognized the Soviet Union.
> The
>      Soviet Union was becoming very powerful, and Germany realized
> that “Our
>      turn was going to come soon, unless we are strong.” The
> same as we in this
>      country are saying today, “Our turn is going to come soon,
> unless we are
>      strong.” Our government is spending 83 or 84 billion
> dollars for defense.
>      Defense against whom? Defense against 40,000 little Jews in
> Moscow that
>      took over Russia, and then, in their devious ways, took over
> control of
>      many other countries of the world.&127
>      For this country now to be on the verge of a Third World War,
> from which
>      we cannot emerge a victor, is something that staggers my
> imagination. I
>      know that nuclear bombs are measured in terms of megatons. A
> megaton is
>      a term used to describe one million tons of TNT. Our nuclear
> bombs had a
>      capacity of 10 megatons, or 10 million tons of TNT, when they
> were first
>      developed. Now, the nuclear bombs that are being developed have a
>      capacity of 200 megatons, and God knows how many megatons the
> nuclear
>      bombs of the Soviet Union have.
>
>      What do we face now? If we trigger a world war that may develop
> into a
>      nuclear war, humanity is finished. Why might such a war take
> place? It will
>      take place as the curtain goes up on Act 3: Act 1 was World War
> I, Act 2
>      was World War II, Act 3 is going to be World War III. The Jews of
> the
>      world, the Zionists and their co-religionists everywhere, are
> determined that
>      they are going to again use the United States to help them
> permanently
>      retain Palestine as their foothold for their world government.
> That is just as
>      true as I am standing here. Not alone have I read it, but many
> here have
>      also read it, and it is known all over the world.
>
>      What are we going to do? The life you save may be your son's.
> Your boys
>      may be on their way to that war tonight; and you you don't know
> it any
>      more than you knew that in 1916 in London the Zionists made a
> deal with
>      the British War Cabinet to send your sons to war in Europe. Did
> you know
>      it at that time? Not a person in the United States knew it. You
> weren't
>      permitted to know it.
>      Who knew it? President Wilson knew it. Colonel House knew it.
> Other
>      insiders knew it.
>
>      Did I know it? I had a pretty good idea of what was going on: I
> was liaison
>      to Henry Morgenthau, Sr., in the 1912 campaign when President
> Wilson
>      was elected, and there was talk around the office there. I was
> “confidential
>      man” to Henry Morgenthau, Sr., who was chairman of the
> finance
>      committee, and I was liaison between him and Rollo Wells, the
> treasurer.
>      So I sat in these meetings with President Wilson at the head of
> the table,
>      and all the others, and I heard them drum into President Wilson's
> brain the
>      graduated income tax and what has become the Federal Reserve, and
> I
>      heard them indoctrinate him with the Zionist movement. Justice
> Brandeis
>      and President Wilson were just as close as the two fingers on
> this hand.
>      President Woodrow Wilson was just as incompetent when it came to
>      determining what was going on as a newborn baby.
>      That is how they got us into World War I, while we all slept.
> They sent our
>      boys over there to be slaughtered. For what? So the Jews can have
>      Palestine as their “commonwealth.” They've fooled you
> so much that you
>      don't know whether you're coming or going.
>      Now any judge, when he charges a jury, says, “Gentlemen,
> any witness
>      who you find has told a single lie, you can disregard all his
> testimony.” I
>      don't know what state you come from, but in New York state that
> is the
>      way a judge addresses a jury. If that witness told one lie,
> disregard his
>      testimony.
>
>      What are the facts about the Jews? (I call them Jews to you,
> because they
>      are known as Jews. I don't call them Jews myself. I refer to them
> as
>      so-called Jews, because I know what they are.) The eastern
> European
>      Jews, who form 92 per cent of the world's population of those
> people who
>      call themselves Jews, were originally Khazars. They were a
> warlike tribe
>      who lived deep in the heart of Asia. And they were so warlike
> that even the
>      Asiatics drove them out of Asia into eastern Europe. They set up
> a large
>      Khazar kingdom of 800,000 square miles. At the time, Russia did
> not exist,
>      nor did many other European countries. The Khazar kingdom was the
>      biggest country in all Europe -- so big and so powerful that when
> the other
>      monarchs wanted to go to war, the Khazars would lend them 40,000
>      soldiers. That's how big and powerful they were.
>
>      They were phallic worshippers, which is filthy and I do not want
> to go into

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Subject: [13texan] Re: A Jewish Defector Warns
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 23:15:58 -0400
From: jsavage 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Good factual post Shane....

Shane Krowe wrote:
>
> A Jewish Defector Warns
> America:
> Benjamin Freedman Speaks
>
> by Benjamin H. Freedman
>
>      Introductory Note
>
>      Benjamin H. Freedman was one of the most intriguing and amazing
>      individuals of the 20th century. Mr. Freedman, born in 1890, was
> a
>      successful Jewish businessman of New York City who was at one
> time the
>      principal owner of the Woodbury Soap Company. He broke with
> organized
>      Jewry after the Judeo-Communist victory of 1945, and spent the
> remainder
>      of his life and the great preponderance of his considerable
> fortune, at least
>      2.5 million dollars, exposing the Jewish tyranny which has
> enveloped the
>      United States. Mr. Freedman knew what he was talking about
> because he
>      had been an insider at the highest levels of Jewish organizations
> and Jewish
>      machinations to gain power over our nation. Mr. Freedman was
> personally
>      acquainted with Bernard Baruch, Samuel Untermyer, Woodrow Wilson,
>      Franklin Roosevelt, Joseph Kennedy, and John F. Kennedy, and many
>      more movers and shakers of our times. This speech was given
> before a
>      patriotic audience in 1961 at the Willard Hotel in Washington,
> D.C., on
>      behalf of Conde McGinley's patriotic newspaper of that time,
> Common
>      Sense. Though in some minor ways this wide-ranging and
> extemporaneous
>      speech has become dated, Mr. Freedman's essential message to us
> -- his
>      warning to the West -- is more urgent than ever before. -- K.A.S.
>
>      *
>      HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, the Zionists and their co-religionists
>      have complete control of our government. For many reasons, too
> many and
>      too complex to go into here at this time, the Zionists and their
> co-religionists
>      rule these United States as though they were the absolute
> monarchs of this
>      country. Now you may say that is a very broad statement, but let
> me show
>      you what happened while we were all asleep.
>
>      What happened? World War I broke out in the summer of 1914. There
> are
>      few people here my age who remember that. Now that war was waged
> on
>      one side by Great Britain, France, and Russia; and on the other
> side by
>      Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Turkey.
>
>      Within two years Germany had won that war: not only won it
> nominally,
>      but won it actually. The German submarines, which were a surprise
> to the
>      world, had swept all the convoys from the Atlantic Ocean.
>
>      Great Britain stood there without ammunition for her soldiers,
> with one
>      week's food supply -- and after that, starvation. At that time,
> the French
>      army had mutinied. They had lost 600,000 of the flower of French
> youth in
>      the defense of Verdun on the Somme. The Russian army was
> defecting,
>      they were picking up their toys and going home, they didn't want
> to play
>      war anymore, they didn't like the Czar. And the Italian army had
> collapsed.
>
>      Not a shot had been fired on German soil. Not one enemy soldier
> had
>      crossed the border into Germany. And yet, Germany was offering
> England
>      peace terms. They offered England a negotiated peace on what the
> lawyers
>      call a status quo ante basis. That means: “Let's call the
> war off, and let
>      everything be as it was before the war started.” England,
> in the summer of
>      1916 was considering that -- seriously. They had no choice. It
> was either
>      accepting this negotiated peace that Germany was magnanimously
> offering
>      them, or going on with the war and being totally defeated.
>
>      While that was going on, the Zionists in Germany, who represented
> the
>      Zionists from Eastern Europe, went to the British War Cabinet and
> -- I am
>      going to be brief because it's a long story, but I have all the
> documents to
>      prove any statement that I make -- they said: “Look here.
> You can yet win
>      this war. You don't have to give up. You don't have to accept the
>      negotiated peace offered to you now by Germany. You can win this
> war if
>      the United States will come in as your ally.” The United
> States was not in
>      the war at that time. We were fresh; we were young; we were rich;
> we
>      were powerful. They told England: “We will guarantee to
> bring the United
>      States into the war as your ally, to fight with you on your side,
> if you will
>      promise us Palestine after you win the war.” In other
> words, they made this
>      deal: “We will get the United States into this war as your
> ally. The price you
>      must pay is Palestine after you have won the war and defeated
> Germany,
>      Austria-Hungary, and Turkey.” Now England had as much right
> to promise
>      Palestine to anybody, as the United States would have to promise
> Japan to
>      Ireland for any reason whatsoever. It's absolutely absurd that
> Great Britain,
>      that never had any connection or any interest or any right in
> what is known
>      as Palestine should offer it as coin of the realm to pay the
> Zionists for
>      bringing the United States into the war. However, they did make
> that
>      promise, in October of 1916. And shortly after that -- I don't
> know how
>      many here remember it -- the United States, which was almost
> totally
>      pro-German, entered the war as Britain's ally.
>
>      I say that the United States was almost totally pro-German
> because the
>      newspapers here were&127 controlled by Jews, the bankers were
> Jews, all
>      the media of mass communications in this country were controlled
> by Jews;
>      and they, the Jews, were pro-German. They were pro-German because
>      many of them had come from Germany, and also they wanted to see
>      Germany lick the Czar.
>      The Jews didn't like the Czar, and they didn't want Russia to win
> this war.
>      These German-Jew bankers, like Kuhn Loeb and the other big
> banking
>      firms in the United States refused to finance France or England
> to the extent
>      of one dollar. They stood aside and they said: “As long as
> France and
>      England are tied up with Russia, not one cent!” But they
> poured money into
>      Germany, they fought beside Germany against Russia, trying to
> lick the
>      Czarist regime.
>
>      Now those same Jews, when they saw the possibility of getting
> Palestine,
>      went to England and they made this deal. At that time, everything
> changed,
>      like a traffic light that changes from red to green. Where the
> newspapers
>      had been all pro-German, where they'd been telling the people of
> the
>      difficulties that Germany was having fighting Great Britain
> commercially
>      and in other respects, all of a sudden the Germans were no good.
> They
>      were villains. They were Huns. They were shooting Red Cross
> nurses.
>      They were cutting off babies' hands. They were no good.
>      Shortly after that, Mr. Wilson declared war on Germany.
>
>      The Zionists in London had sent cables to the United States, to
> Justice
>      Brandeis, saying “Go to work on President Wilson. We're
> getting from
>      England what we want. Now you go to work on President Wilson and
> get
>      the United States into the war.” That's how the United
> States got into the
>      war. We had no more interest in it; we had no more right to be in
> it than we
>      have to be on the moon tonight instead of in this room. There was
>      absolutely no reason for World War I to be our war. We were
> railroaded
>      into -- if I can be vulgar, we were suckered into -- that war
> merely so that
>      the Zionists of the world could obtain Palestine. That is
> something that the
>      people of the United States have never been told. They never knew
> why
>      we went into World War I.
>
>      After we got into the war, the Zionists went to Great Britain and
> they said:
>      “Well, we performed our part of the agreement. Let's have
> something in
>      writing that shows that you are going to keep your bargain and
> give us
>      Palestine after you win the war.” They didn't know whether
> the war would
>      last another year or another ten years. So they started to work
> out a receipt.
>      The receipt took the form of a letter, which was worded in very
> cryptic
>      language so that the world at large wouldn't know what it was all
> about.
>      And that was called the Balfour Declaration.
>
>      The Balfour Declaration was merely Great Britain's promise to pay
> the
>      Zionists what they had agreed upon as a consideration for getting
> the United
>      States into the war. So this great Balfour Declaration, that you
> hear so
>      much about, is just as phony as a three dollar bill. I don't
> think I could
>      make it more emphatic than that.
>
>      That is where all the trouble started. The United States got in
> the war. The
>      United States crushed Germany. You know what happened. When the
> war
>      ended, and the Germans went to Paris for the Paris Peace
> Conference in
>      1919 there were 117 Jews there, as a delegation representing the
> Jews,
>      headed by Bernard Baruch. I was there: I ought to know. Now what
>      happened? The Jews at that peace conference, when they were
> cutting up
>      Germany and parceling out Europe to all these nations who claimed
> a right
>      to a certain part of European territory, said, “How about
> Palestine for us?”
>      And they produced, for the first time to the knowledge of the
> Germans, this
>      Balfour Declaration. So the Germans, for the first time realized,
> “Oh, so
>      that was the game!
>      That's why the United States came into the war.” The
> Germans for the first
>      time realized that they were defeated, they suffered the terrific
> reparations
>      that were slapped onto them, because the Zionists wanted
> Palestine and
>      were determined to get it at any cost.
>
>      That brings us to another very interesting point. When the
> Germans realized
>      this, they naturally resented it. Up to that time, the Jews had
> never been
>      better off in any country in the world than they had been in
> Germany. You
>      had Mr. Rathenau there, who was maybe 100 times as important in
>      industry and finance as is Bernard Baruch in this country. You
> had Mr.
>      Balin, who owned the two big steamship lines, the North German
> Lloyd's
>      and the Hamburg-American Lines. You had Mr. Bleichroder, who was
> the
>      banker for the Hohenzollern family. You had the Warburgs in
> Hamburg,
>      who were the big merchant bankers -- the biggest in the world.
> The Jews
>      were doing very well in Germany. No question about that. The
> Germans
>      felt: “Well, that was quite a sellout.”
>
>      It was a sellout that might be compared to this hypothetical
> situation:
>      Suppose the United States was at war with the Soviet Union. And
> we were
>      winning. And we told the Soviet Union: “Well, let's quit.
> We offer you
>      peace terms. Let's forget the whole thing.” And all of a
> sudden Red China
>      came into the war as an ally of the Soviet Union. And throwing
> them into
>      the war brought about our defeat. A crushing defeat, with
> reparations the
>      likes of which man's imagination cannot encompass. Imagine, then,
> after
>      that defeat, if we found out that it was the Chinese in this
> country, our
>      Chinese citizens, who all the time we had thought were loyal
> citizens
>      working with us, were selling us out to the Soviet Union and that
> it was
>      through them that Red China was brought into the war against us.
> How
>      would we feel, then, in the United States against Chinese? I
> don't think that
>      one of them would dare show his face on any street. There
> wouldn't be
>      enough convenient lampposts to take care of them. Imagine how we
> would
>      feel.
>
>      Well, that's how the Germans felt towards these Jews. They'd been
> so nice
>      to them: from 1905 on, when the first Communist revolution in
> Russia
>      failed, and the Jews had to scramble out of Russia, they all went
> to
>      Germany. And Germany gave them refuge. And they were treated very
>      nicely. And here they had sold Germany down the river for no
> reason at all
>      other than the fact that they wanted Palestine as a so-called
> “Jewish
>      commonwealth.”
>
>      Now Nahum Sokolow, and all the great leaders and great names that
> you
>      read about in connection with Zionism today, in 1919, 1920, 1921,
> 1922,
>      and 1923 wrote in all their papers -- and the press was filled
> with their
>      statements -- that the feeling against the Jews in Germany is due
> to the fact
>      that they realized that this great defeat was brought about by
> Jewish
>      intercession in bringing the United States into the war. The Jews
> themselves
>      admitted that. It wasn't that the Germans in 1919 discovered that
> a glass of
>      Jewish blood tasted better than Coca-Cola or Muenschner Beer.
> There was
>      no religious feeling. There was no sentiment against those people
> merely on
>      account of their religious belief. It was all political. It was
> economic. It was
>      anything but religious. Nobody cared in Germany whether a Jew
> went
>      home and pulled down the shades and said “Shema'
> Yisroel” or “Our
>      Father.” Nobody cared in Germany any more than they do in
> the United
>      States. Now this feeling that developed later in Germany was due
> to one
>      thing: the Germans held the Jews responsible for their crushing
> defeat.
>
>      And World War I had been started against Germany for no reason
> for
>      which Germany was responsible. They were guilty of nothing. Only
> of
>      being successful. They built up a big navy.
>      They built up world trade. You must remember that Germany at the
> time of
>      the French Revolution consisted of 300 small city-states,
> principalities,
>      dukedoms, and so forth. Three hundred separate little political
> entities. And
>      between that time, between the times of Napoleon and Bismarck,
> they were
>      consolidated into one state. And within 50 years they became one
> of the
>      world's great powers. Their navy was rivalling Great Britain's,
> they were
>      doing business all over the world, they could undersell anybody,
> they could
>      make better products. What happened as a result of that?
>
>      There was a conspiracy between England, France, and Russia to
> slap down
>      Germany. There isn't one historian in the world who can find a
> valid reason
>      why those three countries decided to wipe Germany off the map
> politically.
>
>      When Germany realized that the Jews were responsible for her
> defeat, they
>      naturally resented it. But not a hair on the head of any Jew was
> harmed.
>      Not a single hair. Professor Tansill, of Georgetown University,
> who had
>      access to all the secret papers of the State Department, wrote in
> his book,
>      and quoted from a State Department document written by Hugo
> Schoenfelt,
>      a Jew whom Cordell Hull sent to Europe in 1933 to investigate the
> so-called
>      camps of political prisoners, who wrote back that he found them
> in very
>      fine condition. They were in excellent shape, with everybody
> treated well.
>      And they were filled with Communists. Well, a lot of them were
> Jews,
>      because the Jews happened to comprise about 98 per cent of the
>      Communists in Europe at that time. And there were some priests
> there, and
>      ministers, and labor leaders, and Masons, and others who had
> international
>      affiliations.
>
>      Some background is in order: In 1918-1919 the Communists took
> over
>      Bavaria for a few days.
>      Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht and a group of other Jews took
> over
>      the government for three days. In fact, when the Kaiser ended the
> war he
>      fled to Holland because he thought the Communists were going to
> take over
>      Germany as they did Russia and that he was going to meet the same
> fate as
>      the Czar. So he fled to Holland for safety, for security. After
> the
>      Communist threat in Germany was quashed, the Jews were still
> working,
>      trying to get back into their former status, and the Germans
> fought them in
>      every way they could without hurting a single hair on anyone's
> head. They
>      fought them the same way that, in this country, the
> Prohibitionists fought
>      anyone who was interested in liquor. They didn't fight one
> another with
>      pistols. Well, that's the way they were fighting the Jews in
> Germany. And at
>      that time, mind you, there were 80 to 90 million Germans, and
> there were
>      only 460,000 Jews. About one half of one per cent of the
> population of
>      Germany were Jews. And yet they controlled all the press, and
> they
>      controlled most of the economy because they had come in with
> cheap
>      money when the mark was devalued and bought up practically
> everything.
>
>      The Jews tried to keep a lid on this fact. They didn't want the
> world to
>      really understand that they had sold out Germany, and that the
> Germans
>      resented that.
>
>      The Germans took appropriate action against the Jews. They, shall
> I say,
>      discriminated against them wherever they could. They shunned
> them. The
>      same way that we would shun the Chinese, or the Negroes, or the
>      Catholics, or anyone in this country who had sold us out to an
> enemy and
>      brought about our defeat.
>
>      After a while, the Jews of the world called a meeting in
> Amsterdam. Jews
>      from every country in the world attended this meeting in July
> 1933. And
>      they said to Germany: “You fire Hitler, and you put every
> Jew back into his
>      former position, whether he was a Communist or no matter what he
> was.
>      You can't treat us that way. And we, the Jews of the world, are
> serving an
>      ultimatum upon you.” You can imagine what the Germans told
> them. So
>      what did the Jews do?
>
>      In 1933, when Germany refused to surrender to the world
> conference of
>      Jews in Amsterdam, the conference broke up, and Mr. Samuel
> Untermyer,
>      who was the head of the American delegation and the president of
> the
>      whole conference, came to the United States and went from the
> steamer to
>      the studios of the Columbia Broadcasting System and made a radio
>      broadcast throughout the United States in which he in effect
> said, “The
>      Jews of the world now declare a Holy War against Germany. We are
> now
>      engaged in a sacred conflict against the Germans. And we are
> going to
>      starve them into surrender. We are going to use a world-wide
> boycott
>      against them. That will destroy them because they are dependent
> upon their
>      export business.” And it is a fact that two thirds of
> Germany's food supply
>      had to be imported, and it could only be imported with the
> proceeds of
>      what they exported. So if Germany could not export, two thirds of
>      Germany's population would have to starve. There was just not
> enough
>      food for more than one third of the population. Now in this
> declaration,
>      which I have here, and which was printed in the New York Times on
>      August 7, 1933, Mr. Samuel Untermyer boldly stated that
> “this economic
>      boycott is our means of self-defense. President Roosevelt has
> advocated its
>      use in the National Recovery Administration,” which some of
> you may
>      remember, where everybody was to be boycotted unless he followed
> the
>      rules laid down by the New Deal, and which was declared
> unconstitutional
>      by the Supreme Court of that time. Nevertheless, the Jews of the
> world
>      declared a boycott against Germany, and it was so effective that
> you
>      couldn't find one thing in any store anywhere in the world with
> the words
>      “made in Germany” on it. In fact, an executive of the
> Woolworth Company
>      told me that they had to dump millions of dollars worth of
> crockery and
>      dishes into the river; that their stores were boycotted if anyone
> came in and
>      found a dish marked “made in Germany,” they were
> picketed with signs
>      saying “Hitler,” “murderer,” and so
> forth, something like these sit-ins that
>      are taking place in the South. At a store belonging to the R. H.
> Macy chain,
>      which was controlled by a family called Strauss who also happen
> to be
>      Jews, a woman found stockings there which came from Chemnitz,
> marked
>      “made in Germany.” Well, they were cotton stockings
> and they may have
>      been there 20 years, since I've been observing women's legs for
> many years
>      and it's been a long time since I've seen any cotton stockings on
> them. I
>      saw Macy's boycotted, with hundreds of people walking around with
> signs
>      saying “murderers,” “Hitlerites,” and so
> forth. Now up to that time, not one
>      hair on the head of any Jew had been hurt in Germany. There was
> no
>      suffering, there was no starvation, there was no murder, there
> was nothing.
>
>      Naturally, the Germans said, “Who are these people to
> declare a boycott
>      against us and throw all our people out of work, and make our
> industries
>      come to a standstill? Who are they to do that to us?” They
> naturally
>      resented it. Certainly they painted swastikas on stores owned by
> Jews. Why
>      should a German go in and give his money to a storekeeper who was
> part
>      of a boycott that was going to starve Germany into surrendering
> to the Jews
>      of the world, who were going to dictate who their premier or
> chancellor was
>      to be? Well, it was ridiculous.
>
>      The boycott continued for some time, but it wasn't until 1938,
> when a
>      young Jew from Poland walked into the German embassy in Paris and
> shot
>      a German official, that the Germans really started to get rough
> with the
>      Jews in Germany. And you found them then breaking windows and
> having
>      street fights and so forth.
>
>      Now I don't like to use the word “anti-Semitism”
> because it's meaningless,
>      but it means something to you still, so I'll have to use it. The
> only reason
>      that there was any feeling in Germany against Jews was that they
> were
>      responsible for World War I and for this world-wide boycott.
> Ultimately
>      they were also responsible for World War II, because after this
> thing got out
>      of hand, it was absolutely necessary for the Jews and Germany to
> lock
>      horns in a war to see which one was going to survive.
>
>      In the meanwhile, I had lived in Germany, and I knew that the
> Germans
>      had decided that Europe is going to be Christian or Communist:
> there is no
>      in between. And the Germans decided they were going to keep it
> Christian
>      if possible. And they started to re-arm.
>
>      In November 1933 the United States recognized the Soviet Union.
> The
>      Soviet Union was becoming very powerful, and Germany realized
> that “Our
>      turn was going to come soon, unless we are strong.” The
> same as we in this
>      country are saying today, “Our turn is going to come soon,
> unless we are
>      strong.” Our government is spending 83 or 84 billion
> dollars for defense.
>      Defense against whom? Defense against 40,000 little Jews in
> Moscow that
>      took over Russia, and then, in their devious ways, took over
> control of
>      many other countries of the world.&127
>      For this country now to be on the verge of a Third World War,
> from which
>      we cannot emerge a victor, is something that staggers my
> imagination. I
>      know that nuclear bombs are measured in terms of megatons. A
> megaton is
>      a term used to describe one million tons of TNT. Our nuclear
> bombs had a
>      capacity of 10 megatons, or 10 million tons of TNT, when they
> were first
>      developed. Now, the nuclear bombs that are being developed have a
>      capacity of 200 megatons, and God knows how many megatons the
> nuclear
>      bombs of the Soviet Union have.
>
>      What do we face now? If we trigger a world war that may develop
> into a
>      nuclear war, humanity is finished. Why might such a war take
> place? It will
>      take place as the curtain goes up on Act 3: Act 1 was World War
> I, Act 2
>      was World War II, Act 3 is going to be World War III. The Jews of
> the
>      world, the Zionists and their co-religionists everywhere, are
> determined that
>      they are going to again use the United States to help them
> permanently
>      retain Palestine as their foothold for their world government.
> That is just as
>      true as I am standing here. Not alone have I read it, but many
> here have
>      also read it, and it is known all over the world.
>
>      What are we going to do? The life you save may be your son's.
> Your boys
>      may be on their way to that war tonight; and you you don't know
> it any
>      more than you knew that in 1916 in London the Zionists made a
> deal with
>      the British War Cabinet to send your sons to war in Europe. Did
> you know
>      it at that time? Not a person in the United States knew it. You
> weren't
>      permitted to know it.
>      Who knew it? President Wilson knew it. Colonel House knew it.
> Other
>      insiders knew it.
>
>      Did I know it? I had a pretty good idea of what was going on: I
> was liaison
>      to Henry Morgenthau, Sr., in the 1912 campaign when President
> Wilson
>      was elected, and there was talk around the office there. I was
> “confidential
>      man” to Henry Morgenthau, Sr., who was chairman of the
> finance
>      committee, and I was liaison between him and Rollo Wells, the
> treasurer.
>      So I sat in these meetings with President Wilson at the head of
> the table,
>      and all the others, and I heard them drum into President Wilson's
> brain the
>      graduated income tax and what has become the Federal Reserve, and
> I
>      heard them indoctrinate him with the Zionist movement. Justice
> Brandeis
>      and President Wilson were just as close as the two fingers on
> this hand.
>      President Woodrow Wilson was just as incompetent when it came to
>      determining what was going on as a newborn baby.
>      That is how they got us into World War I, while we all slept.
> They sent our
>      boys over there to be slaughtered. For what? So the Jews can have
>      Palestine as their “commonwealth.” They've fooled you
> so much that you
>      don't know whether you're coming or going.
>      Now any judge, when he charges a jury, says, “Gentlemen,
> any witness
>      who you find has told a single lie, you can disregard all his
> testimony.” I
>      don't know what state you come from, but in New York state that
> is the
>      way a judge addresses a jury. If that witness told one lie,
> disregard his
>      testimony.
>
>      What are the facts about the Jews? (I call them Jews to you,
> because they
>      are known as Jews. I don't call them Jews myself. I refer to them
> as
>      so-called Jews, because I know what they are.) The eastern
> European
>      Jews, who form 92 per cent of the world's population of those
> people who
>      call themselves Jews, were originally Khazars. They were a
> warlike tribe
>      who lived deep in the heart of Asia. And they were so warlike
> that even the
>      Asiatics drove them out of Asia into eastern Europe. They set up
> a large
>      Khazar kingdom of 800,000 square miles. At the time, Russia did
> not exist,
>      nor did many other European countries. The Khazar kingdom was the
>      biggest country in all Europe -- so big and so powerful that when
> the other
>      monarchs wanted to go to war, the Khazars would lend them 40,000
>      soldiers. That's how big and powerful they were.
>
>      They were phallic worshippers, which is filthy and I do not want
> to go into

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Zyklon B Gas
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:06:22 -0400
From: jsavage 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Hi All!

philnancy@aol.com wrote:
>
> Griffin wrote:
>
> philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1079
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
>
> >
> > ....... Jew ,Stephen
> > >Abrams took his car and ran over several innocent children, killing
> a 4
> > >year
> > >old girl and a 3 year old boy in Costa Mesa, California and we heard
> a
> > >little
> > >bit about it...no screams for Car Control by the Clintonese
> government or
> > >the
> > >Jewish Media yet you let a white man take an automatic weapon into a
> Jewish
> > >school three months later and a few miles apart and wound 5 people
> and you
> > >are bombarded by the Jewish propaganda. I will conclude my Zylon B
> posting
> > >early next week and put more cracks in the foundation of you alibis.
> > >Michael Snead
> > >14/88
> >
> >
> > So true, Michael....And white Christians should be informed about
> this "hate
> > crime" committed by this Jew..
>
> I didn't think you moronic haters believed in hate crimes? I also see
> you've further circumscribed your group to just white Christians. Mind
> pointing out where Christ supports such a delineation?

js
Matthew 15:24
"But he answered and said, I am not sent but
unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel".

True Israel is white....whether you like it or not!

> Jesus reviles people like you and the hate you spew!
>

js
Just where in the Bible does Jesus Christ say that?...

js
--
Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite
a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew".

                                       The 1980 Jewish Almanac

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Subject: [13texan] Re: "Adamic Man"
Date: 11 Sep 99 23:31:50 CDT
From: Bill Hoyt 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

"Teacher of YHVH"  forwarded the words of another
thus:
>
> The adultery by Eve in mixing these seeds was the "great sin."

This is an interesting interpretation.  How do you deal with the scripture
which states explicitly "Adam lay with his wife Eve, and she became pregnant
and gave birth to Cain"? (Gen 4:1)

> The "mark" of Cain was that he was a mulatto, and easily found his
> way into the black (beasts of the field) hordes camped in "Nod"
> (East of Eden).

"Cain said to the Lord, 'My punishment (to be a wanderer, v3) is more than I
can bear.  Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from
your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds
me will kill me'

But the Lord said to Cain, 'Not so. If anyone kills Cain, he will suffer
vengeance seven times over'.  Then the Lord put a mark on Cain, so that no one
who found him would kill him." -- Gen 4:13-5

Cain was cursed to be a wanderer, and received a "mark" for protection, lest
anyone finding him should kill him.  How does this make him a mulatto?  Does
black skin protect one?

>There can be no black "man," yellow "man," red "man," etc.,
>because man defines the white race, or Adamites.

Here's a dumb question:  the origin of clothing is related to Adam's sin (Gen
3:21), and is a covering for sin.  This practice of covering the skin has been
perpetuated to all Adamites, all cultures, who wear coverings or mark or
disfigure their bodies, and most of them have no idea why.  Dogs only dress
when their mistress has a matching sweater and hat, and the lilies of the
field are clothed by God.

Those who are not of Adam do not wear clothing.  If Black and yellow and brown
men are not Adamites, why do they naturally wear clothing?

> The bible is rife with descriptions of who the beast of the field
> really is, but the best is in Isaiah 56:9 through 12.  He hasn't
> changed much since the days of Isaiah, and never will.

"All ye beasts of the field, come to devour, yea, all ye beasts of the forest.


His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they
cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.

Yea, they are greedy dogs, who can never have enough, they are shepherd that
can never understand, they all look to their own way, everyone for his gain,
from his quarter.

Come ye, say they, I will fetch wine, and we will fill ourselves with strong
drink; and tomorrow shall be as this day, and more abundant."

Isa 56:9-12

I hate to break this to you, but every description past "beasts of the forest"
applies to "His watchmen".  They are blind, they are ignorant, they are dumb
dogs.

So who are "his watchmen"?

Are they the beasts of the field?  Of course not, watchmen are supposed to
protect the people from the beasts of the field.  The watchment are Israelites
(Isa 52:8, 62:6) who are supposed to be watching, not drinking and sleeping.

If you want to claim this description for yourself, feel free.  For myself,
I'd rather just watch.

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Subject: [13texan] The KENITE.......check this lesson out for understanding
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:49:38 EDT
From: Jann186@aol.com
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 Study of the Kenite
http://www.biblestudies.org/kenite.htm

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Subject: [13texan] Re: "Jews Screwing Jews"
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 02:59:31 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Michael the Aryan writes:
Fill-up,
Well now, we have the truth. Your calling me a liar all of this time and you
have told us that you don't even know any Jews. You let on like you were a
Christian and you call me a hypocrite? Typical Jew. Always deceitful, always
ready for the next lie and then you want us (whites) to believe that the
holocaust really happened. You have solidified my belief. Ms. Zimmerman thank
you for making the prevaricator crack, and ssat ya na nivo hat'el .
Michael Snead
14/88
Jesus Christ is the King of Kings and  Lord of Lords

In a message dated 9/11/99 9:43:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
philnancy@aol.com writes:

<< Hehe. In other words, since we get our asses kicked every time we try
 to defend our beliefs, maybe we better come up with some excuse for not
 responding!


 Philip Mathews
  >>

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Subject: [13texan] Re: The KENITE.......check this lesson out for
     understanding
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:17:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Norse_Knight@webtv.net (Norse Knight)
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Thanks! Interesting Page.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Poor Defeated Snead
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:33:51 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1096
> Phil, and thank you for confirming that you are an aversionist swine
that the
> smaller your ideas the more words you use to express them.

And thank you for confirming that you are a brain dead denier who can
post tripe on the holocaust and then be unable or unwilling to defend
it when it's destroyed!

I'm still trying to figure why there is such a correlations between low
IQ and Holocaust Denial.

Philip Mathews

>
> philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> > Now I understand the "parrot" phrases that I keep seeing when the
> others on
> > this list are referring to you,  though I will stick with the
usual,"
> You
> > aversionist ingeminated schmuck(a term you're surly familiar with)"
> To answer
> > your question about hate crime....You are right, I do not believe in
> "hate
> > crimes" however, If the ZOG government is going to charge with hate
> crimes
> > then they need to do it to everyone. I personally believe that a
> crime is a
> > crime. "Dingle Berry"
>
> Thank you for admitting that in addition to being a moron and a Jew
> hater, you are also a hypocrite.
>

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Psssst, Herb, over here.........
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:34:55 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1097

> Phil, Maybe you should read what I wrote again and then read the
reply of
> both of you parrots and you will see more holes in you excuses than a
pair of
> concentration camp socks......

Sure Snead, that's why your pointing them out for us, eh!  Hehehe.

Philip Mathews

> Michael Snead
> 14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Jews Forced America Into World War II
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:36:30 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1098

> Phil, You schmuck, you have a new word....moron?

Now you should find one, it would immediately double your vocabulary!

Philip Mathews

p.s. Still no response to the shredding of your Zyklon B post I see.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Zyklon B Gas
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:38:56 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Savage wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1100
> Hi All!
>
> philnancy@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Griffin wrote:
> >
> > philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1079
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
> >
> > >
> > > ....... Jew ,Stephen
> > > >Abrams took his car and ran over several innocent children,
killing
> > a 4
> > > >year
> > > >old girl and a 3 year old boy in Costa Mesa, California and we
heard
> > a
> > > >little
> > > >bit about it...no screams for Car Control by the Clintonese
> > government or
> > > >the
> > > >Jewish Media yet you let a white man take an automatic weapon
into a
> > Jewish
> > > >school three months later and a few miles apart and wound 5
people
> > and you
> > > >are bombarded by the Jewish propaganda. I will conclude my Zylon
B
> > posting
> > > >early next week and put more cracks in the foundation of you
alibis.
> > > >Michael Snead
> > > >14/88
> > >
> > >
> > > So true, Michael....And white Christians should be informed about
> > this "hate
> > > crime" committed by this Jew..
> >
> > I didn't think you moronic haters believed in hate crimes? I also
see
> > you've further circumscribed your group to just white Christians.
Mind
> > pointing out where Christ supports such a delineation?
>
> js
> Matthew 15:24
> "But he answered and said, I am not sent but
> unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel".

Not physically lost, moron.

>
> True Israel is white....whether you like it or not!

Nope, just another loony lie from you Christian Identity fruitloops.

>
>
> > Jesus reviles people like you and the hate you spew!
> >
>
> js
> Just where in the Bible does Jesus Christ say that?...

Why does he have to say it?

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: "Jews Screwing Jews"
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:45:49 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1103

> Michael the Aryan writes:

How do you know he's an Aryan?

> Fill-up,
> Well now, we have the truth. Your calling me a liar all of this time
and you
> have told us that you don't even know any Jews. You let on like you
were a
> Christian and you call me a hypocrite? Typical Jew.

How do you know someone's a Jews?

 Always deceitful, always
> ready for the next lie and then you want us (whites) to believe that
the
> holocaust really happened.

Nothing to do with whites, you poor ignorant hater, just the facts. It
is you who are deceitful, not to mention stupid, and you should look to
yourself and your sins.

> You have solidified my belief.

Nonsense. You were mindlessly dumb before and you remain so.

Ms. Zimmerman thank
> you for making the prevaricator crack, and ssat ya na nivo hat'el .
> Michael Snead

Hee. She ran like a whipped dog, with nothing to say, much like you
Snead!

Philip Mathews

> 14/88
> Jesus Christ is the King of Kings and  Lord of Lords
>
>
>
> In a message dated 9/11/99 9:43:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> philnancy@aol.com writes:
>
> << Hehe. In other words, since we get our asses kicked every time we
try
>  to defend our beliefs, maybe we better come up with some excuse for
not
>  responding!
>
>
>  Philip Mathews
>   >>

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Subject: [13texan] Letter from Wetzel to Lohse - Nazi Documents of Mass Murder
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:48:59 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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Letter from Dr. Erhard Wetzel to Reichskommissar Lohse, October 25, 1941
[Hitler and the Final Solution - G. Fleming, University of California
Press, 1984, p. 70]
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With regard to my letter of 18 October 1941, please be informed that
Oberdiensleiter [Chief Executive Officer] Brack from the Fuehrer's
Chancellory has stated his readiness to assist in the construction of
the necessary accommodations and gassing apparatuses, so they must
first be constructed. Brack's view is that, since construction of the
apparatuses within the Reich would present far greater difficulties
than on-site production, the most expedient course of action is to
send his people directly to Riga, in particular his chemist Dr.
Kallmeyer, who will take the necessary steps from there.
Oberdiensleiter Brack further points out that the procedure in
question is not without its hazards, and that therefore special safety
precautions are needed. Under these circumstances, I ask you to
contact Oberdiensleiter Brack in the Fuehrer's Chancellory through
your higher SS and Police leader. Please request from him the
dispatching of the chemist Dr. Kallmeyer and any further assistants
that are needed. I might further point out that Sturmbannfuehrer
Eichmann, the adviser on Jewish affairs in the Reich main security
office, is in complete accord with this procedure. According to the
information received here from Sturmbannfuehrer Eichmann, camps for
Jews will be set up in Riga and Minsk, where Jews from the Altreich
[Germany proper] might also be sent. Jews are currently being
evacuated from the Altreich to Lodz and other camps, from which those
fit for work will be transferred to work forces in the east. Given the
present situation, Jews who are not fit for work can be eliminated
without qualms through use of the Brack device. Incidents such as
those that took place during the shootings of Jews in Vilna, according
to a report I have on my desk, can hardly be sanctioned, keeping in
mind that the executions were undertaken openly, and the new
procedures assure that such incidents will no longer be possible. Jews
fit for work, on the other hand, will be transported to work forces in
the east. That the men and women in this latter group must be kept
apart from each other goes without saying. Please keep me informed as
to any further measures you take.

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Subject: [13texan] SS Hoeblinger - Nazi Testimony of Mass Murder
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:50:11 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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Testimony of SS private Hoeblinger:
[Extracted from "Der Auschwitz Prozess", by Hermann Langbein,
Vol. I, quoted in "Auschwitz: Technique and operation of the gas
chambers - J.C Pressac, the Beate Klarsfeld Foundation, NY, 1989,
p. 174].
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I was detailed to the transport service and I drove the Sanka
[abbreviation for Sanitatskraftwagon/medical truck] which was
to carry the prisoners....

Then we drove to the gas chambers. The medical orderlies climbed
a ladder, they had gas masks up there, and emptied the cans. I was
able to observe the prisoners while they were undressing. It always
proceeded quitely and without them suspecting anything. It happened
very quickly.

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Subject: [13texan] secular examination
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:52:09 -0700
From: reiver@tca.net
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[from: http://home.att.net/~nuenke/index.html]

INDOCTRINATION AND GROUP EVOLUTIONARY STRATEGIES: THE CASE OF JUDAISM
by Kevin MacDonald in "Idoctrinability, Ideology, and Warfare: An
Evolutionary Perspective" edited by Eibl-Eibesfeldt and Frank Kemp
Salter, 1998.

Indoctrination is a phenomenon that occurs within groups and, as a
result, raises fundamental evolutionary questions regarding the
relationship between the individual and the group. It has long been
apparent to evolutionists that highly cohesive, altruistic groups would
outcompete concatenations of individualists. The purpose of this
chapter will be to develop the idea of a group evolutionary strategy
and to support the contention that indoctrinability is an adaptation
that facilitates the development of such groups. With few exceptions,
the data relevant to these theoretical interests will be drawn from
historical and contemporary Jewish communities.

For purposes of this chapter, a group is defined as a discrete set of
individuals that is identifiably separate from other individuals (who
themselves may or may not be members of groups). Groups become
interesting to an evolutionist when there are active attempts to
segregate the group from the surrounding peoples, a situation that
results in what Erikson termed "cultural pseudospeciation". Creating a
group evolutionary strategy results in the possibility of cultural
group selection resulting from between-group competition in which the
groups are defined by culturally produced in-group markings.
Theoretically, group strategies are underdetermined and unnecessary. A
group evolutionary strategy may be conceived as an "experiment in
living" rather than the outcome of natural selection acting on human
populations or the result of ecological contingencies acting on
universal human genetic propensities.

In the case of Jews, in traditional societies there was a wide range of
actively sought marks of separateness from surrounding peoples. Factors
facilitating separation of Jews and Gentiles have included religious
practice and beliefs; distinctive languages, such as Yiddish, Hebrew,
and Ladino; mannerisms (e.g., gestures); physical appearance (hair
styles) and clothing; customs (especially the dietary laws);
occupations that were dominated by the group; and living in physically
separated areas that were administered by Jews according to Jewish
civil and criminal law. All of these practices can be found at early
stages of the diaspora, and in the ancient world there were a large
number of prohibitions that directly limited social contacts between
Jews and Gentiles, such as the ban on drinking wine touched by Gentiles
or the undesirability of bantering with Gentiles on the day of a pagan
festival in the Greco-Roman world of antiquity. Perhaps the most basic
badges of group membership and separateness, appearing in the
Pentateuch, are circumcision and the practice of the Sabbath.

Given this actively sought separation, there is the possibility that
there will be genetic differences between Jewish and Gentile
populations that are maintained over long stretches of historical time.
There is considerable evidence for gene frequency differences between
Jewish populations and populations they have lived among for centuries.
Moreover, there is little doubt that over long stretches of historical
time there was little genetic admixture, due to the functioning of the
segregative mechanisms described previously but also due to negative
attitudes regarding intermarriage and proselytism.

A dispersed group that actively maintains genetic and cultural
segregation from surrounding societies must develop methods to ensure
social cohesion and prevent defection. Fundamental to Jewish group
integrity over historical time have been social controls and ideologies
that depend ultimately on human abilities to monitor and enforce group
goals, to create ideological structures that rationalize group aims
both to group members and to outsiders, and to indoctrinate group
members to identify with the group and its aims.

Social controls on group members are central to group evolutionary
strategies. Social controls can range from subtle effects of group
pressure on modes of dressing to laws or social practices that result
in large penalties to violators. Recently Robert Boyd and Peter
Richerson have shown that punishment can result in the stability of
altruism or any other group attribute. In the case of human groups,
punishment that effectively promotes altruism and inhibits
nonconformity to group goals can be effectively carried out as the
result of culturally invented social controls on the behavior of group
members. Thus, while it may well be that group-level evolution is
relatively uncommon among animals due to their limited abilities to
prevent cheating, human groups are able to regulate themselves via
social controls so that theoretical possibilities regarding invasion by
selfish types from surrounding human groups or from within can be
eliminated or substantially reduced.

Facilitating altruism by punishing nonaltruists can be viewed as a
special case of the general principle that social controls can act to
promote group interests that are in opposition to individual
self-interest. Group strategies must typically defend themselves
against "cheaters" who benefit from group membership but fail to
conform to group goals. Human societies are able to institute a wide
range of social controls that effectively channel individual behavior,
punish potential cheaters and defectors, and coerce individuals to be
altruistic.

Besides social controls, group strategies also are typically
characterized by elaborate ideological structures that rationalize
group goals and behavior within the group and to out-group members. By
far the most important form of such ideology in human history is what
we term religion, and in the following it will be apparent that
indoctrination into Judaism as a group evolutionary strategy involved
the inculcation of religious beliefs that rationalized behavior
essential to the group strategy.

Indoctrination into the Group Ethic of Judaism

Judaism has been able to retain a high level of group cohesion and
within-group altruism over a long period of historical time, at least
partly because of social controls acting within the group that served
to penalize nonaltruists and noncooperators, while cooperative
altruists were ensured a high level of social prestige. Nevertheless,
social controls do not appear to be the whole story. If only social
controls were involved, Judaism or any similar group evolutionary
strategy would be a sort of police state in which the only motivations
for socially prescribed behavior would be fear of the negative
consequences of noncompliance.

However, it is difficult to imagine that such a group would long
endure, and, in any case, a salient feature of historical Judaism has
been the indoctrination of individuals into psychological acceptance of
group aims. One area of psychological research relevant to
conceptualizing the role of indoctrination in group evolutionary
strategies such as traditional Judaism is that of research on
individualism/collectivism. Collectivist cultures place a high emphasis
on the goals and needs of the in-group rather than on individual rights
and interests. In-group norms and the duty to cooperate and submerge
individual goals to the needs of the group are paramount. Collectivist
cultures develop an "unquestioned attachment" to the in-group,
including "the perception that in-group norms are universally valid (a
form of ethnocentrism), automatic obedience to in-group authorities,
and willingness to fight and die for the in-group. These
characteristics are usually associated with distrust of and
unwillingness to cooperate with out-groups".

Socialization in collectivist cultures stresses group harmony,
conformity, obedient submission to hierarchical authority, and honoring
parents and elders. There is also a major stress on ingroup loyalty as
well as trust and cooperation within the in-group. Each of the in-group
members is viewed as responsible for every other member. However,
relations with out-group members tend to be "distant, distrustful, and
even hostile". In collectivist cultures morality is conceptualized as
that which benefits the in-group, and aggression towards and
exploitation of outgroups are acceptable.

As with all collectivist cultures, Judaism depends on inculcating a
powerful sense of group identification. Triandis proposes that
identification with an in-group is increased under the following
circumstances: membership is rewarding to the individual; in-groups are
separated by signs of distinctiveness; there is a sense of common fate;
socialization emphasizes in-group membership; in-group membership is
small; the in-group has distinctive norms and values. In addition,
evolutionists have emphasized that socialization for in-group
membership often includes an emphasis on the triggering of kin
recognition mechanisms (such as references to the kinship nature of the
group; e.g., "fatherland"; "the Jewish people") and phenotypic
similarity (such as similar dress and mannerisms). Operant and
classical conditioning are often used, as when individuals are publicly
rewarded for group allegiance and altruism.

All of these mechanisms have undoubtedly been present within historical
Jewish communities. I have noted the prevalence of external signs of
separateness from Gentiles among Jews in traditional societies,
including language, clothing, and mannerisms. In the present context,
these signs serve to enhance the phenotypic similarity of the in-group
and mark off a distinctive set of in-group norms and values. Moreover,
the goal of education in traditional societies was to promote the
consciousness of separateness from out-groups and a sense of common
fate among widely dispersed Jewish groups stretching forward and
backward in historical time.

These trends can be seen clearly in historical Jewish communities as
well as among contemporary Hasidic and Orthodox Jewish groups. Kamen
notes that the Hasidim are concerned about contamination from the
secular culture and work very hard to minimize their children's contact
with or even awareness of the wider culture. Similar to all Jewish
societies prior to the Enlightenment, there are a great many markers of
in-group status, including speaking a Jewish language (in this case,
Yiddish), distinctive modes of dress, and distinctive Jewish names. A
young Hasidic man commented that "I call my clothing a personal weapon
because if I am tempted to do something which by law is not right, one
look at myself, my hat, my coat, my tstitsis reminds me who I am.
Nobody is there to see except me, and believe me that's enough". The
last part of the quote is particularly significant: this individual is
clearly following the law not because of fear of negative sanctions by
the community, but because he completely accepts the psychological
desirability of doing so.

Education is of course extremely important, but a major goal in the
Hasidic community is group enculturation rather than imparting subject
matter. Television and other means of integrating with the wider
culture are forbidden so that the child is simply not exposed to these
influences. In addition, there are numerous holidays that are utilized
in the school curriculum as a means of discussing particular events
important in Jewish history or religious practice.

Critical to Jewish indoctrination have been practices whereby, from a
very early age, individuals are placed in situations where group
activities involve positive experiences of great emotional intensity.
These experiences are perhaps analogous to the phenomenon of
"love-bombing" as an aspect of indoctrination in religious cults,
except that this type of indoctrination begins at an early age and
continues throughout life. In the traditional shtetl communities of
Eastern Europe, beginning at birth children were socialized not simply
as an individual or as a family member but as a member of the entire
community. The child's birth was celebrated by the entire community,
and there were special roles for children in a variety of religious
events. Thus at the Passover celebration, the youngest child asks the
Passover questions, "quivering with excitement". The elaborate ceremony
functions to make the child very aware of the intimate connection of
the child to the family and the family to the wider group of Jews
extending backward in historical time. Another holiday, Lag ba Omer, is
given over entirely to the pleasures of children, and a prominent part
of Hanukkah is when children go around to relatives to receive money.
The boy's bar mitzvah is fundamentally a ceremony marking the child's
new relationship to the group.

Positive group experiences continue into adulthood. Among the Hasidim
studied by Kamen, group meetings and positively valanced social events
are common. There are weekly meetings of the males (the tish) at which
the children participate in group singing. After the singing, there is
a discourse on the Torah, followed by singing and dancing. Group
dancing by males is particularly striking and also occurs at weddings
and other social events. The men join arms and dance together in an
atmosphere of great joy and excitement -- a clear indication of the
powerful, positive affective forces joining together members of the
group. At these social events children are introduced in a very
positive manner to group membership.

Synagogue services were also a positive group experience in traditional
Jewish society. Zborowski and Herzog note the swaying and communal
chanting as a prominent aspect of synagogue services in the traditional
European shtetl communities: "The whole room is a swaying mass of black
and white, filled with a tangle of murmur and low chantings, above
which the vibrant voice of the cantor rises and falls, implores and
exults, elaborating the traditional melodies with repetitions and
modulations that are his own. The congregation prays as one, while
within that unity each man as an individual speaks directly to God."

In addition to positive experiences that foster extremely positive
attitudes toward the group, there are also negative sanctions on
failure to conform to group goals. Conformity to group attitudes and
behavior is an important aspect of social control in traditional Jewish
communities. "A sense of correct behavior, Hasidishe behavior, takes
precedence over individual deviations. Indulgence in contrary behavior
is not tolerated by the group; the majority acts quickly to reprimand
any member whose demeanor reflects negatively on his comrades".

Mayer also describes elaborate mechanisms of social control within the
Orthodox community that spring into action to oppose any sign of
nonconformity, such as a yarmulke that is too small or too brightly
colored or a hemline that is too high. Zborowski and Herzog, writing of
traditional European shtetl societies, also document elaborate
mechanisms that ensure conformity within the community. People are
greatly concerned about the good opinions of others. Everyone knows
everything there is to know about everyone else, and withdrawal and
secrecy are seen as intolerable.

Indoctrination also involves negatively valanced procedures akin to
hazing as emphasized in Salter's chapter in this volume. After bar
mitzvah and for approximately seven years until marriage, the boys
spend 16 hours per day with their peer group, including communal
breakfast, communal ritual baths, communal studying and prayer. At this
age, studying itself is done with a great deal of emotion. Accounts
indicate considerable sleep deprivation and a great deal of pressure to
perform well within the peer group. The boys/men of this age are
expected to relate primarily to the peer group, and if a child spends
too much time at home, his behavior reflects poorly on himself and his
family.

Efforts to socialize children and adults to the group are also apparent
in much less traditional Jewish groups. Judaism in contemporary
American society is best viewed as a civil religion, and, perhaps
because of the lessening prevalence of many of the traditional
segregating mechanisms that have facilitated group cohesion over the
centuries, the civil religion goes to great lengths to prevent group
defection, especially by attempting to strengthen Jewish education.
Those who do defect are simply written off, and group continuity and
integrity are maintained by a central core of highly committed
individuals. Because of the assimilatory pressures from the surrounding
society, great importance is placed on "the recognition of Jewish
education as the most vital element in the preservation of the Jewish
people".

Jewish identification is actively facilitated by encouraging trips to
Israel by high school and college students, and, indeed, Elazar terms
Israel "the central focus of American Jewish educational effort".
Woocher notes that the trips to Israel are often overlaid with "mythic"
overtones from Jewish history (e.g., visits to Holocaust memorials),
and have as their goal increased commitment to a Jewish identification
on the part of the visitors. The retreats function as a sort of
religious experience that attempts to effect attitude change by
removing participants from their normal lives; by emphasizing
group-oriented activities and a sense of community, nostalgia and
"specialness"; and by renewing commitment to group identification and
group goals.

Social Identity Consequences of Indoctrination

As a prelude to developing an evolutionary theory of indoctrinability,
I will first consider the expected consequences of the indoctrination
practices described above in terms of social identity theory. Social
identity theory proposes that individuals engage in a process whereby
they place themselves and others in social categories. Clearly a major
effect of the indoctrination procedures described above is to highlight
the salience of in-group membership to those being indoctrinated. From
the standpoint of social identity theory, there are several important
consequences of this process.

The social categorization process results in discontinuities such that
individuals exaggerate the similarities of individuals within each
category (the accentuation effect). Thus, there is a psychological
basis for supposing that, given the highly salient cultural separatism
characteristic of Judaism, both Jews and Gentiles would sort others
into the category "Jew" or "Gentile" and would exaggerate the
similarity of members within each category. By this mechanism, people
reconceptualize continuous distributions as sharply discontinuous; the
effect is particularly strong if the dimension is of importance to the
categorizer. In the case of intergroup conflict, the dimensions are in
fact likely to be imbued with great subjective importance.
Moreover, the individual also places himself or herself into one of the
categories (an in-group), with the result that similarities between
self and in-group are exaggerated and dissimilarities with out-group
members are exaggerated. An important result of this
self-categorization process is that individuals adopt behavior and
beliefs congruent with the stereotype of the in-group.

Social identity research indicates that the stereotypic behavior and
attitudes of the in-group are positively valued, while out-group
behavior and attitudes are negatively valued. Thus, the homogenization
of the behavior of in-groups and out-groups has strong affective
overtones, and individuals develop favorable attitudes toward in-group
members and unfavorable attitudes toward out-group members. In-group
and out-group members are both expected to develop highly negative
attitudes regarding the behavior of members of the other group and
generally to fail to attend to individual variation among members of
the other group. The in-group develops a positive distinctness, a
positive social identity, and increased self-esteem as a result of this
process. Within the group there is a great deal of cohesiveness,
positive affective regard, and camaraderie, while relationships outside
the group can be hostile and distrustful.

Social identity theorists propose that the primary affective mechanism
involved in social identity processes is self-esteem and that, indeed,
the need to achieve a positive self-evaluation via this social
categorization process functions as a theoretical primitive.
Individuals maximize the differences between in-group and out-group in
a manner that accentuates the positive characteristics of the in-group.
They do so precisely because of this (theoretically) primitive need to
categorize themselves as a member of a group with characteristics that
reflect well on the group as a whole and therefore on themselves
individually. For example, Gitelman , describing Jewish identity
processes in the former Soviet Union, noted that Jews developed a great
curiosity about Jewish history "not merely from a thirst for historical
knowledge, but from a need to locate oneself within a group, its
achievements, and its fate. It is as if the individual's own status, at
least in his own eyes, will be defined by the accomplishments of others
who carry the same label. 'If Einstein was a Jew, and I am a Jew, it
does not quite follow that I am an Einstein, but...."

Further, people easily adopt negative stereotypes about out-groups, and
these stereotypes possess a great deal of inertia (i.e., they are slow
to change and are resistant to countervailing examples). Resistance to
change is especially robust if the category is one that is important to
the positive evaluation of the in-group or the negative evaluation of
the out-group. It would be expected that people would be more likely to
change their categorization of the hair color of out-group members on
the basis of counterexamples of a stereotype than they would change
their categorization of out-group members as stupid or lazy or
dishonest.

The results of these categorization processes are group behavior that
involves discrimination against the out-group and in favor of the
in-group; beliefs in the superiority of the in-group and inferiority of
the out-group; and positive affective preference for the in-group and
negative affect directed toward the out-group. Although groups may be
originally dichotomized on only one dimension (e.g., Jew/Gentile),
there is a tendency to expand the number of dimensions on which the
individuals in the groups are categorized and to do so in an evaluative
manner.

Thus a Jew would be expected not only to sharply distinguish between
Jews and Gentiles, but to come to view Gentiles as characterized by a
number of negative traits (e.g., stupidity, drunkenness), while Jews
would be viewed as characterized by corresponding positive traits
(e.g., intelligence, sobriety).
A series of contrasts is set up in the mind of the shtetl child, who
grows up to regard certain behavior as characteristic of Jews, and its
opposite as characteristic of Gentiles. Among Jews he expects to find
emphasis on intellect, a sense of moderation, cherishing of spiritual
values, cultivation of rational, goal-directed activities, a
"beautiful" family life. Among Gentiles he looks for the opposite of
each item: emphasis on the body, excess, blind instinct, sexual
license, and ruthless force. The first list is ticketed in his mind as
Jewish, the second as goyish.

As expected, Zborowski and Herzog find that this world view was then
confirmed by examples of Gentile behavior that conformed to the
stereotype, as when Gentiles suddenly rose up and engaged in a
murderous pogrom against the Jews. There was also a clear sense that
the attributes of the in-group are superior qualities, and those of the
out-group are inferior. Jews valued highly the attributes on which they
rated themselves highly and viewed the characteristics of Gentiles in a
negative manner. There was a general air of superiority to Gentiles.
Jews returning from Sabbath services "pity the barefoot goyim, deprived
of the Covenant, the Law, and the joy of Sabbath ...' We thought they
were very unfortunate. They had no enjoyment ... no Sabbath ... no
holidays ... no fun ...' 'They'd drink a lot and you couldn't blame
them, their lives were so miserable."'

The negative attitudes were fully reciprocated. Thorowski and Herzog
note that both Jews and Gentiles referred to the other with imagery of
specific animals, implying that the other was subhuman. When a member
of the other group dies, the word used is the word for the death of an
animal. Each would say of one's own group that they "eat," while
members of the other group "gobble." "The peasant will say, 'That's not
a man, it's a Jew.' And the Jew will say, 'That's not a man, it's a
goy"'.

There was thus a powerful tendency toward reciprocity of negative
attitudes and stereotypes. Stories about the other group would recount
instances of deception, and everyday transactions would be carried on
with a subtext of mutual suspicion. "There is beyond this surface
dealing, however, an underlying sense of difference and danger.
Secretly each [Jewish merchant and Gentile peasant] feels superior to
the other, the Jew in intellect and spirit, the 'goy' in physical force
-- his own and that of his group. By the same token each feels at a
disadvantage opposite the other, the peasant uneasy at the
intellectuality he attributes to the Jew, the Jew oppressed by the
physical power he attributes to the goy". While the documentation is
not always as explicit as that provided in the case of Poland, there is
a convincingly large body of evidence across numerous societies
indicating that reciprocal hostility between Jew and Gentile tends to
arise for most or perhaps all combinations of Judaism and Gentile
socioreligious tradition (for Sephardic and Romaniote Jews, see Shaw
1991; for Sephardic Jews in Spain prior to the expulsion, see Neuman
1969/1942; for contemporary fundamentalist Judaism, see Heilman 1992).

An Evolutionary Interpretation of Social Identity Processes and
Collectivism

The empirical results of social identity research are highly compatible
with an evolutionary basis for group behavior. Vine notes that the
evidence supports the universality of the tendency to view one's own
group as superior. Moreover, social identity processes occur very early
in life, prior to explicit knowledge about the out-group. An
evolutionary interpretation of these findings is also supported by
results indicating that social identity processes occur among advanced
animal species such as chimpanzees. Van der Dennen proposes, on the
basis of his review of the literature on human and animal conflict,
that advanced species have "extra-strong group delimitations" based on
affective mechanisms. Among humans, one affective mechanism may well be
the self-esteem mechanism central to social identity theory. Another
positive emotion revealed by research on religious cults is the
profound sense of relief that individuals experience when they join
these highly collectivist, authoritarian groups. However, successful
socialization into a highly cohesive group would also be expected to
lead to feelings of guilt at the possibility of failure to conform to
group goals. These latter mechanisms, although not considered by social
identity theorists, would result in strong positive feelings associated
with group membership and feelings of guilt and distress at the
prospect of defecting from the group.

The powerful affective components involved in social identity processes
are difficult to explain except as an aspect of the evolved machinery
of the human mind. I have noted the powerful tendency to seek
self-esteem via social identity processes as a theoretical primitive in
the system. As Hogg and Abrams note, this result cannot be explained in
terms of purely cognitive processes, and a learning theory seems
hopelessly ad hoc and gratuitous. The tendencies for humans to place
themselves in social categories and for these categories to assume
immense affective and evaluative overtones involving the emotions of
self-esteem, relief, distress, and guilt are the best candidates for
the biological underpinnings of participation in highly cohesive
collectivist groups.

Also, the fact that social identity processes and tendencies toward
collectivism increase during times of resource competition and threat
to the group suggests that these processes involve facultative
mechanisms that emerged as a result of selection at the level of the
group. As emphasized by evolutionists, external threat tends to reduce
internal divisions and maximize perceptions of common interest among
group members. This perspective is compatible with Wilson and Sober's
proposal of group-selected psychological mechanisms that facilitate
group goals on a facultative basis, i.e., in response to specific
contingencies. Under conditions of external threat, there is an
increase in cooperative and even altruistic behavior. I propose that
external threat is a situation that elicits an evolved facultative
tendency to identify more strongly with the group and to submerge
individual interests to group interests. (As Wilson and Sober 1994
emphasize, such mechanisms do not imply conflict between individual and
group goals: individuals engaging in altruistic or other types of
group-oriented behavior may continue to monitor their individual
self-interest. The point is that the group becomes the unit of
selection.)

This perspective implies that the awareness of anti-Semitism would tend
to foster a sense of group identity and social cohesion in the face of
threat -- the "common fate" or "shared enemy" syndrome studied by
psychologists. Feldman finds robust tendencies toward heightened Jewish
identification and rejection of Gentile culture consequent to
anti-Semitism at the very beginnings of Judaism in the ancient world
and throughout Jewish history. Historically, anti-Semitism and the
perception of anti-Semitism have been potent tools for rallying group
commitment and for legitimizing the continuity of Judaism.

A permanent sense of imminent threat appears to be common among Jews,
and, as indicated above, such a threat would be expected to enhance
commitment to the group. Writing on the clinical profile of Jewish
families, Herz and Rosen note that for Jewish families a "sense of
persecution (or its imminence) is part of a cultural heritage and is
usually assumed with pride. Suffering is even a form of sharing with
one's fellow Jews. It binds Jews with their heritage -- with the
suffering of Jews throughout history." This comment indicates once
again the importance of a sense of common fate and historical
continuity to Jewish identification. Zborowski and Herzog note that the
homes of wealthy Jews in traditional Eastern European shtetl
communities often had secret passages for use in times of anti-Semitic
pogroms, and that their existence was "part of the imagery of the
children who played around them, just as the half-effaced memory was
part of every Jew's mental equipment."

This evolved response to external threat is often manipulated by
authorities attempting to inculcate a stronger sense of group
identification. Thus Heller notes that a prominent feature of Soviet
propaganda throughout its history was the inculcation of the belief
that the Soviet Union was a "besieged fortress." "In a besieged
fortress it is essential to fear and to hate the external enemy, who
has surrounded the stronghold, is undermining the walls and threatening
your 'home' and your life."

The inculcation of a siege mentality also appears to be an aspect of
contemporary Judaism. Within this world-view, the Gentile world is
conceptualized as fundamentally hostile, with Jewish life always on the
verge of ceasing to exist entirely. "Like many other generations of
Jews who have felt similarly, the leaders of the polity who fear that
the end may be near have transformed this concern into a survivalist
weapon". Thus, for example, Woocher notes that there has been a major
effort since the 1960s to have American Jews visit Israel in an effort
to strengthen Jewish identification, with a prominent aspect of the
visit being a trip to a border outpost "where the ongoing threat to
Israel's security is palpable".

Indeed, Jewish religious consciousness centers to a remarkable extent
around the memory of persecution, including the holidays of Passover,
Hanukkah, Purim, and Yom Kippur. Lipset and Raab note that Jews learn
about the Middle Ages as a period of persecution in Christian Europe,
culminating in the expulsions and the Inquisitions. There is also a
strong awareness of the persecutions in Eastern Europe, including
especially the Czarist persecutions. And recently, the Holocaust has
assumed a pre-eminent role in Jewish self-conceptualization.

Given the importance of external threat in cementing group ties,
complete acceptance by the Gentile community may be viewed negatively,
or at least with ambivalence, by those interested in maintaining group
cohesion. One hears quite often of Jewish leaders in contemporary
America expressing concern about being "loved to death," since complete
acceptance may lead to intermarriage and a loss of Jewish identity.
Perhaps as a result, American Jews tend to overestimate the actual
amount of anti-Semitism. For example, Lipset and Raab describe survey
results from 1985 indicating that one-third of a sample of affiliated
Jews in the San Francisco area stated that a Jew could not be elected
to Congress at a time when three of the four congressional
representatives from the area were "well-identified" Jews, as were the
two state senators and the mayor of San Francisco. Survey results from
1990 indicated eight out of 10 American Jews had serious concerns about
anti-Semitism, and significant percentages believed anti-Semitism was
growing even though there was no evidence for this, while at the same
time 90 percent of Gentiles viewed anti-Semitism as residual and
vanishing.
Also compatible with the proposal that individuals are more prone to
submerge themselves in cohesive groups during times of external threat,
there is evidence that the collectivist tendencies of Jewish
communities became even more pronounced during periods of group
conflict. For example, as was typical of traditional Jewish
communities, there was an extreme level of conformity and thought
control among Jews in the Ottoman Empire in the early modern period.

The community regulated precisely every aspect of life, including the
shape and length of beards, all aspects of dress in public and private,
the amount of charity required of members, the numbers of people at
social gatherings, the appearance of graves and gravestones, the
precise behavior on Sabbath, the precise form of conversations, the
order of precedence at all social gatherings, etc. The rules were
enforced "with a kind of police surveillance," and failure to abide by
the rules could result in imprisonment in community prisons, or, at the
extreme, in excommunication. Although these practices occurred during a
period of economic prosperity, these hyperconformist tendencies became
even more extreme during a subsequent period of persecution and
economic decline. While the above presents a static picture of the
mechanisms related to group commitment, there may also be selection
within the Jewish community over historical time for traits related to
social identity and collectivism. As conceptualized by Triandis,
individualism / collectivism is an individual-differences dimension,
and it would appear that there are quite a few cases of individuals who
are extreme on such a dimension to the point where defecting from the
group is not an option. Especially striking has been the phenomenon of
individuals who undergo martyrdom or commit suicide rather than abandon
the group. We see examples periodically in modern times (such as the
Jonestown massacre), and there are many historical examples, ranging
from Christian martyrs in ancient times to a great many instances of
Jewish martyrs over a 2,000-year period.

Recently there has developed a fairly large literature on religious
cults with characteristics that illustrate the importance of social
identity processes and that clearly place them on the extreme
collectivist end of the individualism/collectivism dimension. These
charismatic groups are highly cohesive, collectivist, and
authoritarian. Within the group there is a great deal of harmony and
positive regard for group members combined with negative perceptions of
outsiders. Psychological well-being increases when the person joins the
group, and individuals who disaffiliate experience psychological
distress.

This affective motivation may be increased by personal feelings of
threat prior to joining the cult. Many individuals who join cults are
not satisfied with their lives and feel personally threatened -- a
finding that I interpret as resulting from the triggering of
collectivist mechanisms in a facultative manner as a response to
external threat or simply from feelings of "not doing well" in life.
Indeed, Galanter found that the individuals who experienced the
greatest relief upon joining cults were those who were most distressed
prior to joining, and case study material indicates that many of these
individuals were experiencing economic, social, and/or psychological
stresses (e.g., change of residence, being fired from a job, illness of
relatives [1989a, 92]). Sirkin and Grellong found similar associations
in their sample of cult members from Jewish families.

Jewish martyrdom and the extreme intensity of Jewish group commitment
have long been apparent to historians. Johnson calls the Jews "the most
tenacious people in history," but even this judgment seems inadequate.
Jewish groups have persisted for centuries even though they have been
isolated from other Jewish groups and subjected to persecutions, and
even under circumstances where they were forced to engage in crypsis
for many generations.

The suggestion is that among Jews there is a significant critical mass
for whom deserting the group is not an option no matter what the
consequences to the individual. Consider, for example, the behavior of
groups of Ashkenazi Jews in response to demands made to convert during
the disturbances surrounding the First Crusade in Germany in 1096.
Jewish behavior in this instance was truly remarkable. When given the
choice of conversion or death, a contemporary Jewish chronicler noted
that Jews "stretched forth their necks, so that their heads might be
cut off in the Name of their Creator.... Indeed fathers also fell with
their children, for they were slaughtered together. They slaughtered
brethren, relatives, wives, and children. Bridegrooms [slaughtered]
their intended and merciful mothers their only children".

It is unlikely that such people have an algorithm that calculates
individual fitness payoffs by balancing the tendency to desert the
group with anticipated benefits of continued group membership. The
obvious interpretation of such a phenomenon is that these people feel
obligated to remain in the group no matter what, i.e., that there are
no conceivable circumstances that would cause them to abandon the
group, go their own way, and become assimilated to the out-group. As
indicated above, selection at the level of the group need not imply
that organisms do not attend to the individual costs of group
membership.

Nevertheless, the suggestion here is that many fully committed members
of highly cohesive groups do not in fact have an algorithm that
assesses the individual costs and benefits of group membership. Via
indoctrination and/or selection processes for genes that predispose
individuals to such behavior, it appears to be possible to produce
extreme self-sacrifice in human groups.

While I do not suppose that such an extreme level of self-sacrifice is
a panhuman psychological adaptation, it may well be the case that a
significant proportion of Jews are extremely attracted to group
membership to the point that they do not calculate the individual
payoffs involved. The proposed model is that over historical time
average group standing on the trait of collectivism has increased among
Jews because individuals low on this trait (in this case, individuals
who do not conform to expected standards of group behavior) are more
likely to defect voluntarily from the group or be forcibly excluded.

It has often been observed among historians of Judaism that the most
committed members of the group have determined the direction of the
group, and such individuals are likely to receive a disproportionate
amount of the rewards of group membership. Moreover, Jordan notes that
Jews who defected during the Middle Ages (and sometimes persecuted
their former coreligionists) tended to be people who were "unable to
sustain the demands of [the] elders for conformity." (The Sephardic
philosopher Baruch Spinoza is a famous example of a nonconformist who
was expelled from the Jewish community.) This trend may well have
accelerated since the Enlightenment because the costs of defection
became lower. Israel notes that after the Enlightenment, defections
from Judaism due ultimately to negative attitudes regarding the
restrictive Jewish community life were common enough to have a negative
demographic effect on the Jewish community.

Moreover, in traditional societies there was discrimination within the
Jewish community such that the families of individuals who had
apostatized or engaged in other major breaches of approved behavior had
lessened prospects for marriage. Writing of thirteenth-century Spain,
Neuman notes that measures were taken to protect converts to
Christianity from abuse by their former coreligionists. The interesting
thing is that conversion was a blot on the family. The disgrace of one
convert in a family was enough cause to warrant the disruption of the
wedding engagement of an innocent relative. His former brethren
regarded him as a renegade and ostracized him.

This type of social control in which individuals were punished on
account of their relatives' contravention of group norms was common
throughout Jewish history. Coitein, writing of medieval Islamic times,
notes that the responsibility of the extended family was recognized by
public opinion, although it was not a formal part of Jewish law.
Hundert notes that in traditional Ashkenazi society the son of a
convert was ostracized and ridiculed because of his father's apostasy,
indicating that conversion had negative effects on the entire family
even beyond the immediate generation. And Deshen describes a
nineteenth-century Moroccan case in which a man was allowed to break an
engagement with a woman whose aunt had given birth out of wedlock. The
decision was based on a precedent in which a man was allowed to break
an engagement with a woman whose sister had converted to Islam. To the
extent that there is heritable variation for such nonconformity (and
all personality traits are heritable [e.g., Digman 1990]), such
practices imply that there will be strong selection pressures
concentrating genes for group loyalty and social conformity within the
Jewish gene pool.

There has probably always been cultural selection such that people who
have difficulty submerging their interests to those of the group have
been disproportionately likely to defect from Judaism. Such individuals
would have chaffed at the myriad regulations that governed every aspect
of life in traditional Jewish society. In Triandis's terms, these
individuals are "idiocentric" people living in a collectivist culture,
i.e., they are people who are less group oriented and less willing to
put group interests above their own.
It is therefore likely that there has been within-group selection for
genes predisposing people to collectivism to the point that they are
simply incapable of acting selfishly based on estimates of individual
payoffs of group membership. This hypothesis is supported by the
finding that Jews have been overrepresented among non-Jewish religious
cults. Galanter finds that 21 percent of the Divine Light commune,
organized by Maharaj Ji, were Jewish despite the fact that Jews
represented only 2 percent of the U.S. population. Moreover, 8 percent
of Galanter 's sample of members of the Unification Church of Reverend
Sun Myung Moon were Jewish. This confirms the hypothesis that Jews have
a stronger tendency toward collectivism in general. In addition, a
large percentage of Jews are involved in specifically Jewish groups
(including, I would suppose, the haredim, Orthodox Jews, and
Conservative Jews in the contemporary world) characterized by many of
the features (cohesion, collectivism, and authoritarianism) ascribed to
religious cults. The milieu selecting for such characteristics was
traditional diaspora Judaism, which was Orthodox.

It is interesting in this regard that highly committed Jews appear to
seek out relatively small synagogues of relative ethnic homogeneity
where there is a deep sense of group identification. The main purpose
of these smaller synagogues seems to be to satisfy the need for close
feelings of group identification -- what Mayer terms a "we-feeling" of
shared intimacy in a group. Mayer describes a trend whereby those
trained in Orthodox yeshivas seek out Hasidic synagogues as adults
because of their greater feelings of group intimacy.

Further, Sirkin and Grellong found that cult members from Jewish
families had a higher number of highly religious relatives than
contrast Jewish families. This occurred despite the fact that the
contrast Jewish families were actually more religiously observant than
the families of cult members. These findings offer further confirmation
of the hypothesis that cult membership is influenced by genetic
variation: Jewish cult members come disproportionately from relatively
unobservant families who nevertheless have a strong familial
predisposition toward membership in highly collectivist groups. The
relative lack of religious observance among these cult-involved
families may have resulted from their greater tendency toward
intellectual, cultural, and political activities that were seen as
incompatible with traditional religious observance. However, these
cultural activities failed to provide the psychological sense of
intense group involvement desired by the children, with the result that
they were prone to join religious cults

Conclusion

A clear message of the foregoing is that indoctrinability is a critical
human adaptation that enables the formation of highly cohesive groups.
Group strategies are very powerful in competition with individual
strategies within a society, as has been the case with Judaism. The
power of the Jewish group strategy has derived from the following: (1)
Judaism has been characterized by cultural and eugenic practices that
produced a highly talented and educated elite that was able to improve
the fortunes of the entire group; (2) universal Jewish education
resulted in an average resource acquisition ability that was above that
of the rest of the society; and (3) there were high levels of
within-group altruism and cooperation.

Given the presence of a powerful group strategy within a society, there
is the expectation that dynamic processes will develop between the
strategizing group and the rest of the population. In particular, as a
group strategy such as Judaism comes to be increasingly salient and
powerful within a society, out-group members are expected to be
increasingly likely to join highly cohesive groups in an effort to
further their own interests. The theory and data discussed in this
chapter, therefore, not only provide a perspective on evolutionary
strategies such as Judaism, but also provide a tool for understanding
the development of antithetical group strategies, as represented
historically by anti-Semitic movements. External threat results in a
higher sense of group cohesion among Jews, but the same processes
occurring among Gentiles imply that they would be increasingly likely
to join cohesive, relatively altruistic groups when they perceive
themselves as engaged in resource competition and threatened by a
highly cohesive group. From the perspective of Gentiles, the social
identity processes summarized above imply that the presence of a
cohesive, distinctive out-group (i.e., the Jews) would result in a
heightened salience of in-group (i.e., Gentile) identification and
corresponding devaluation of the out-group. In situations of external
threat, group members close ranks and there is an increase in
cohesiveness, solidarity, and the acceptance of collectivist rather
than individualist social norms. Negative stereotypes regarding the
out-group are developed, and there are cognitive biases such that
negative information about the out-group is preferentially attended to
and points of disagreement highlighted.

My suggestion is that in the long run highly successful group
strategies spawn mirror images of themselves as nongroup members
increasingly perceive a need to organize against the group strategy.
The result is a fascinating historical dynamic in which the
individualistic tendencies of prototypical Western societies have been
punctuated in critical historical eras by the development of highly
collectivist Western societies with powerful overtones of anti-Semitism
(late Roman and medieval Western Christianity, Nazism). However, these
issues lead well beyond the present chapter.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Jews Forced America Into World War II
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:04:39 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
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In a message dated 9/12/99 7:02:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
philnancy@aol.com writes:

<< p.s. Still no response to the shredding of your Zyklon B post I see. >>


Strange,  everyone else got the post.....but your comprehension is minimal
and retainability is mil so we expected that response from the parrots.
Michael Snead
14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Poor Defeated Snead
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:11:23 EDT
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In a message dated 9/12/99 7:02:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
philnancy@aol.com writes:

<< I'm still trying to figure why there is such a correlations between low
 IQ and Holocaust Denial.

 Philip Mathews >>

Then you just need a good ole introspection Phil.......Have you been feeling
a little sluggish lately?
Michael Snead

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Zyklon B Gas
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:15:08 EDT
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In a message dated 9/12/99 7:06:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
philnancy@aol.com writes:

<< > > Jesus reviles people like you and the hate you spew!
 > >
 >
 > js
 > Just where in the Bible does Jesus Christ say that?...

 Why does he have to say it?

 Philip Mathews
  >>

Hey Aversionist...do you read his mind then? How do you know? Dweeb.....
Michael Snead
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Subject: [13texan] Re: "Jews Screwing Jews"
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:19:57 EDT
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In a message dated 9/12/99 7:07:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
philnancy@aol.com writes:

<<  and you should look to yourself and your sins.
  >>

Michael the Aryan writes....
Strong words coming from the Son of perdition, Satan himself...

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Subject: [13texan] LAWS OF THE BIBLE
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:22:14 -0500
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                              LAWS OF THE BIBLE

A great scholar once said, "If a man-made law cannot be traced to a divine
source, then not only should its effectiveness be questioned but, even more,
its intent should be suspected."

The divine laws, as revealed to Moses and taught by Christ, must be
discerned spiritually and put into practice in our daily life. Wise
decisions, based on obedience to the laws of the Bible so abundant in mercy
and justice, bring about the constant harmony and peace, which can be ours.

The following list shows the translation of Biblical laws into their modern
application:

                                CRIMINAL LAW

ADULTERY—Exod. 20:14, Deut. 22:22-25.

ARSON—Exod. 22:6

ASSAULT—Exod. 21:18, 19, 26, 27, Lev. 24:19, 20.

BRIBERY—Exod. 23:8, Deut. 16:19, 2 Chron. 19:7, Job 15:34, Amos 5:12.

DEFIANCE OF AUTHORITY—Num. 15:30, 31, Deut. 17:12, 13

FRAUD—Lev. 6:1-5, Deut. 25:13-16.

INCEST—Lev. 20:11-21, Deut. 22:30

KIDNAPPING—Exod. 21:16, Deut. 24:7

LANDMARKS, REMOVAL OF—Deut. 19:14

MANSLAUGHTER—Exod. 21:12-14, Num. 35:6-34, Josh. 20:4-6

MURDER—Gen. 9:5-6, Exod. 20:13, 21:12-14, Num. 35:6-34

PERJURY—Exod. 20:16, Lev. 19:12, Deut 19:16-20

PERVERTING JUSTICE—Exod. 23:1, 2, 6, 7, Deut. 16:19, 20

POLYGAMY—1 Cor. 7:2, 1 Tim. 3:2

PROSTITUTION—Lev. 21:9, Deut. 23:17

RAPE—Deut. 22:25-26

SEDUCTION—Exod. 22:16-17, Deut. 22:28-29

SLANDER—Lev. 19:16

SODOMY—Lev. 18:22, 20:13, Deut. 23:17, 1 Kings 14:24, 15:12, 22:46, 2
Kings 23:7

THEFT—Exod. 20:15, 22:1-5

                              LAWS OF PROPERTY

ALIENS, RIGHTS OF—Exod. 12:49, Lev. 24:22

ANIMALS, DAMAGES BY OR TO—Exod. 21:35-36, Lev. 24:18-21

BOOTY, WAR—Num. 31:9, 25-54, Deut. 20:13-16, 1 Sam. 30:21-25

BORROWED PROPERTY—Exod. 22:14, Neh. 5:11

CITIZENS, RIGHT OF—Exod. 12:49, Lev. 24:22

DAMAGES FOR THEFT—Exod. 22:4-5

DEEDS—Jer. 32:9-14

FIRE, DAMAGE BY—Exod. 22:6

INDEMNITY, PAYMENT OF—2 Kings 3:4

INHERITANCE—See Laws of Inheritance

INTEREST—Exod. 22:25, Deut. 23:19-20, Neh. 5:11

LAND, ALLOTMENT OF—Num. 26:52-56

LAND, RELEASE OF—Lev. 25:8-34

LAND, SALE OF—Lev. 25:23-28

LAND, TRANSFER OF—Ruth 4:3-11, Jer. 32:9-14

LANDMARKS, REMOVAL OF—Deut. 19:14

MORTGAGES—Neh. 5:2-5

PERSONAL PROPERTY, SALE OF—Lev. 25:14

PLEDGES—Exod. 22:26-27, Deut. 24:26, 10-11,13, 2 Kings 4:1-7

THEFT—Exod. 20:15, 22:1-4

TRUST, BREACH OF—Lev. 6:1-5

TRUSTEES—Matt. 25:14-30, Luke 19:11-27

                             LAWS OF INHERITANCE

DAUGHTERS—Num. 27:7-8

FIRSTBORN—Deut. 21:15-17, 1 Chron. 5:1

ORDERS OF—Num. 27:8-11

SLAVES—Lev. 25:46

SONS—Gen. 21:10-13, Deut. 21:15-17, 1 Chron. 5:1

WHEN A MAN DIES CHILDLESS—Deut. 25:5-10

WIVES—Ruth 4:1-12



                                  CONTRACTS



DEBTS—Exod. 22:25, Deut. 15:1-3, 23:19-20, Neh. 5:11

WITH FELLOW CITIZENS—Deut. 15:1-3, 23:19-20

WITH FOREIGNERS—Deut. 15:1-3, 23:19-20

INTEREST—Exod. 22:25, Lev. 25:36, Deut. 23:19-20, Ezek. 18:10-13

LOANS—Exod. 22:25, Deut. 23:19-20, 2 Kings 4:1-7, Neh. 5:2-5

MORTGAGES—Neh. 5:2-5

PLEDGES—Exod. 22:26-27, Deut. 24:6,10-11,13, 2 Kings 4:1-7, Ezek.
18:10-13

SALES—Lev. 25:14

SALES OF LAND—Lev. 25:23-28, Ruth 4:3-11, Jer. 32:9-14

OF SERVITUDE—Exod. 21:2-4, Lev. 25:39, Deut. 15:12

SURETIES—Prov. 6:1-2, 11:15, 17:18, 22:26

TRUSTEES—Exod. 22:12,14,15, Lev. 6:1-5

USURY—Exod. 22:25, Lev. 25:36, Deut. 23:19-20, Ezek. 18:10-13,

WAGES—Lev. 19:13, Deut. 24:15



                             LAWS OF FAMILY LIFE

CONCUBINES—Gen. 21:10-14, Exod. 21:7-11, 1 Kings 11:3

DIVORCE—Lev. 21:7, 14, 22:13, Num. 30:9, Deut. 24:1-4, Isa. 50:1, Jer.
3:8, Matt. 5:32, 19:3-9, Mark 10:2-12, Luke 16:18, 1 Cor. 7:10, 39

FATHERS, AUTHORITY OF—Gen. 22:1-13, 24:4, Num. 30:3-5, Judg. 11:30-39,

Job 1:5, 9

FATHER, DUTIES OF—Eph. 6:4

HUSBANDS, DUTIES OF—Eph. 5:22-30

LEVIRATE MARRIAGE—Gen. 38:6-11, Deut. 25:5-10

MARITAL FAITHFULNESS—Deut. 22:30, Matt. 19:3-9, 1 Cor. 7:2

MARRIAGE—Gen. 2:18-24, 24:4, 34:14, Num. 36:6, Judg. 14:1-4, 15:1-2,
Eph. 5:31

MARRIAGE, RESTRICTIONS ON—Exod. 34:15-16, Lev. 18:10, 15, 20:14, 17,
19,

Num. 36:6, Deut. 7:1-3, 22:30, 1 Tim. 3:2

PARENTS, RESPECT FOR—Exod. 20:12, 21:15, 17

POLYGAMY—Gen. 16:1-3, 29:21-30, 1 Sam. 1:1-2, 1 Kings 11:1-8, 1 Tim.
3:2

SERVANTS, TREATMENT OF—Exod. 20:10, 21:2, 4, 7, 8, 20, Lev. 25:40-41,

Deut. 24:14-15

WIVES, DUTIES OF—Eph. 5:22-30



                       KINDS AND POWERS OF GOVERNMENTS



ALIENS, RIGHTS OF—Exod. 12:49, Lev. 24:22

ELDERS—Num. 11:16, 24, Deut. 22:15, 27:1, Judg. 8:16, 11:5-11, Ezra
10:8

GOVERNORS—Ezra 5:3, 6, 6:6, 8:36, Esther 3:12, Matt. 27:2, Luke 20:20
Acts 23:26

JUDGES—Judg. 2:13-18

LIEUTENANTS—Ezra 8:36, Esther 3:12

MONARCHY—1Sam. 10:24-25, 1 Kings 7:7, 2 Kings 15:1, 19

PATRIARCHAL—Gen. 22:1-14, Judg. 11:30-39, Job 1:5

PRINCES—1Kings 14:7

SATRAPS—Ezra 8:36, Esther 3:12

THEOCRATIC—Exod. 18:13-26, 19:3-8, Deut. 17:14-20, 18:15-19



                               COURT PROCEDURE



APPOINTMENT OF JUDGES—Exod. 18:13-26, Deut. 16:18, 2 Chron. 19:5-11

BEHAVIOR OF JUDGES—Exod. 23:6-8, Deut. 16:18-20

COURTS, LOCATION OF—Deut. 21:19, 25:7, 1 Kings 7:7

COURT OF APPEALS—Exod. 18:26, Deut. 17:8-11

COURT OF ORIGINAL JURISDICTION—Deut. 25:1-2

EXECUTION OF SENTENCE—Deut. 17:5-7

PERJURY—Deut. 19:16-19

SOLOMON AS JUDGE—1Kings 7:7

SOURCE OF JUDGEMENT—Deut. 1:17

SUPERIOR COURT—Deut. 17:8-12

SUPREME COURT—Num. 5:12-31, Deut. 19:17-19, 21:1-9

TRIAL BEFORE ELDERS—Deut. 22:15

TYPICAL TRIAL—1Kings 3:16-28

WITNESSES, NUMBER OF—Deut. 17:6-7, 19:15-19, Matt. 18:16



                             LAWS OF CITIZENSHIP



ALIENS, OBLIGATIONS OF—Exod. 12:48-49, Lev. 17:8-9, 24:22

ALIENS, RIGHTS OF—Exod. 12:48-49, 20:10, Lev. 16:29

ELIGIBILITY—Deut. 23:7-8

EXCLUSIONS—Deut. 23:3

FREEDOM FROM PAYING INTEREST—Exod. 22:25, Deut. 23:19-20

MARITAL RIGHTS—Gen. 34:14, Exod. 34:15-16, Deut. 7:1-3

QUALIFICATIONS FOR—Exod. 19:5-6

RIGHT OF APPEAL—Acts 25:11

RIGHT TO TRIAL—Acts 16:37-39

ROMAN—Acts 16:37-38, 22:25-29, 23:27

OF SLAVES—Exod. 21:1-11, Lev. 25:39-55, Deut. 15:12-18, 1 Cor. 12:13,
Gal. 3:28,

Col. 3:11



                               RELIGIOUS LAWS



BAPTISM—Matthew 3:13-17, 28:19, Mark 1:9-11, John 4:1-2, Acts 2:38,
19:3-6, Rom. 6:3,4

1 Cor. 10:1-2, Col. 2:12, 1 Pet. 3:20

BLASPHEMY—Lev. 24:10-16, Deut. 5:11, Matt. 5:19-20

BURNT OFFERING—Lev. 1:1-17, Num. 6:11, 15:3

CHILDBIRTH SACRIFICES—Luke 2:22-24

CIRCUMCISION—Gen. 17:9-14, 34:14-17, 22, Exod. 4:25-26, 12:48, Luke
2:21, Acts 15:13-29, 16:1-3, Rom. 4:10, 12, Gal. 2:3

CLEAN AND UNCLEAN—Lev. 11:1-47, Deut. 14:3-21

COLLECTION IN CHURCH—1 Cor. 16:1-2

COMMUNION—Matthew 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-25, Luke 22:19-20

DAY OF ATONEMENT—Exod. 30:1-10, Lev. 16:1-34, 23:26-32, Num. 29:7-11,

Heb. 9:6-15

DRINK OFFERINGS—Num. 28:9-10, Deut. 32:38

EATING—Exod. 22:31, Lev. 3:17, 19:23-25

EUCHARIST—Matthew 26:26-29, Luke 22:17-20

FALSE GODS, WORSHIP OF—Exod. 20:1-5, 22:20

FASTS—Luke 18:12

FEAST OF HARVEST—Exod. 23:16

FEAST OF INGATHERING—Exod. 23:16

FEAST OF TABERNACLES—Lev. 23:33-44, Num. 29:12-40, Deut. 16:13-17,

31:10-13

FEAST OF THE NEW MOON—Num. 10:10, 28:11-15, Ps. 81:3, Isa. 66:23,
Ezek. 46:3

Amos 8:5

FEAST OF UNLEAVENED BREAD—Exod. 24:18

FEAST OF WEEKS—Deut. 16:9-12

FIRST BORN—Exod. 13:2, 34:19-20

FIRST FRUITS—Exod. 34:26, Deut. 18:3-4

FREEWILL OFFERINGS—Lev. 22:17-25, Num. 15:3

GOD IS RULER—Exod. 19:3-8

GUILT OFFERINGS—Lev. 5:1-19

HEAVE OFFERINGS—Exod. 29:26-27

HUMAN SACRIFICE—Gen. 22:1-19

JUBILEE—Lev. 25:8-55

JUDGEMENTS FROM GOD—Deut. 1:17

LEVITES, EXEMPTION OF—Num. 1:49

LORD AS JUDGE—Num. 5:12-31, Deut. 19:17-19, 21:1-9

LORD’S SUPPER—1 Cor. 11:18-34

MEAT OFFERING—Lev. 2:1-11, Num. 28:9-10

MEMORIAL OFFERING—Lev. 2:2, 9, 16

MERCY PREFERRED—Matt. 9:13, 12:7

NAZARITES—Num. 6:1-21

OFFERINGS—Gen. 4:3-5, Lev. 1:1-7, 38

OFFERINGS OF FIRST FRUITS—Lev. 2:12-16, Deut. 26:2,10

OIL OFFERINGS—Gen. 28:18

PASSOVER—Exod. 12:1-14, 21-21, Deut. 16:1-8, Ezek. 45:21-24, Luke
22:7-18

PEACE OFFERINGS—Lev. 3:1-17

PENTECOST—Lev. 23:15-21, Acts 2:1-4

POLL TAX—Exod. 30:12-16

PURIFICATION—Lev. 12:1-8, 14:1-32, 15:1-33, Num. 19:1-22, Luke 2:21-24

PURIM—Esther 9:20-32

SABBATH—Gen. 2:1-3, Exod. 16:23, 20:8-11, 31:14-17, Lev. 23:3, 24:5-9,
Num. 15:32-36

28:9-10, Deut. 5:12-15, Neh. 10:31, 13:15-22, Ezek. 46:3, Amos 8:5, Mark
2:23-28, Luke 13:14-16, 14:3-5, John 5:8-10

SABBATICAL YEAR—Exod. 21:2-6, 23:10-11, Lev. 25:1-7, Deut. 15:1-14,
31:10, 13,

2 Chron. 36:21, Neh. 10:31

SHEWBREAD—Exod. 25:30, 35:13, 39:36, Lev. 24:5-9, Num. 4:7, 1 Sam.
21:1-6,

Matthew 12:3-8

SIN OFFERING—Lev. 4:1-35, Num. 6:11

SORCERY—Exod. 22:18, Lev. 20:27

TEN COMMANDMENTS—Exod. 20:1-17

THANK OFFERINGS—2 Chron. 29:31

TITHES—Gen. 14:20, 28:20-22, Lev. 27:30-33, Deut. 14:22-27, 2 Chron.
31:4-12,

Mal. 3:8-11, Matt. 23:23

TITHES OF ALMS AND CHARITY—Deut. 14:28-29, 26:12-15

TITHE OF A TITHE—Num. 18:21, 26-28

TRESPASS OFFERING—Lev. 5:1-19, Num. 6:12

UNCLEAN ANIMALS—Lev. 11:3-4, 9-31

VOLUNTARY OFFERING—Lev. 7:16

WATER OFFERING—1Samuel 7:6, 2 Samuel 23:16

WATER OF SEPARATION—Num. 19:1-22

WAVE OFFERING—Exod. 29:26-27, Lev. 23:10-11

WHOLE BURNT OFFERING—Deut. 33:10

WORSHIP—Acts 20:7, Col. 3:16, 1 Thess. 5:27



                            SOCIAL SECURITY LAWS



BLIND, CARE OF—Lev. 19:14, Deut. 27:18, Luke 14:13-14

CHILDREN, SALE OF—2 Kings 4:1-7

DEAF—Lev. 19:14

DEBTS—Deut. 15:1-12

EMPLOYEES—Exod. 20:10, Deut. 24:14-15, Mal. 3:5

HANDICAPPED—Lev. 19:14. Luke 14:13-14

LAME—Luke 14:13-14

LOANS—Exod. 22:25

ORPHANS—Exod. 22:22-23, Deut. 14:28-29, 24:17-22, 26:12-13, Jer.
7:6-7, Zech. 7:10-12

Mal. 3:5

PLEDGES—Exod. 22:26-27, Deut. 24:6, 10-13

POOR—Exod. 22:25-27, Lev. 19:9-10, 25:35-37, Deut. 14:28-29, 15:7-11,
24:19-22, 26:12-13

Zechariah 7:10-12, Luke 3:11, 14:13-14

SERVANTS—Exod. 20:10, Lev. 25:39-46, Deut. 24:14-14, Eph. 6:5-9

SLAVES, FREEING OF—Exod. 21:2-4, Lev. 25:40-41, 47-55, Deut. 15:12-18,
23:15-16

SLAVES, INHERITANCE OF—Lev. 25:46

SLAVES, REDEMPTION OF—Lev. 25:47-55

SLAVES, TREATMENT OF—Exod. 21:1-11, 20, Lev. 25:39-55, Deut. 23:15-16

STRANGERS—Exod. 20:10, Lev. 16:29, 19:33-34, Deut. 10:19, 14:28-29,
24:17-22,

26:12-13, Jer. 7:6-7, Zech. 7:10-12, Mal. 3:5

USURY—Exod. 22:25, Deut. 23:19-20

WAGES—Lev. 19:13,Deut. 24:14-15

WIDOWS—Exod. 22:22-23, Deut. 14:28-29, 24:17-22, 25:5-10, 26:12-13,
Ruth 4:1-12,

Jer. 7:67, Zech. 7:10-12, Mal. 3:5, Mark 12:40, Acts 6:1-4, 1 Tim. 5:3-16

WOMEN, PROTECTION OF—Exod. 20:10, 21:7-11



                                  TAX LAWS



BY CAESAR—Matthew 22:16-21

CENSUS FOR—Num. 1:1-47, 4:1-3, 26:2, 2 Sam. 24:1-9, Luke 2:1-3

FOR CHARITY—Deut. 14:28-29, 26:12-15

COLLECTORS—Matthew 9:9-13, Luke 19:1-10

EMERGENCY—2 Kings 23:35

EXEMPTION—Ezra 7:24

METHOD OF—Luke 2:1-5

FOR REDEMPTION—Lev. 27:1-13

SIZE OF—1 Samuel 8:10-18

FOR SUPPORT OF KING—1Kings 4:7, 27-28 Neh. 5:1-5

FOR TABERNACLE OR TEMPLE—Exod. 30:11-16, Deut. 14:22-27, 2 Chron.
24:6,9, 31:4-12



                                MILITARY LAWS



AGE OF SERVICE—Num. 1:2-3

BOOTY—Num. 31:9, 26-52, Deut 20:14, Josh. 6:19, 1 Samuel 30:22-25

BURIAL OF DEAD—1Kings 11:15

CAPTURED CHILDREN—Num. 31:9, Deut 20:14

CAPTURED WOMEN—Num. 31:9, Deut. 20:14

EXEMPTION FROM SERVICE—Num. 1:47-53, Deut 20:5-8

HOSTAGES—2Kings 14:14

INDEMNITY—2Kings 3:4

PREPARATION FOR BATTLE—1 Samuel 7:9-11, 13:19, 28:5-6, 1 Kings 22:6

PRISONERS OF WAR—Deut. 20:10-14

SANITATION IN CAMP—Deut, 23:9-14

SELECTIVE SERVICE—Num. 31:3-6

SIEGE OF CITIES—Deut. 20:19-20

SURRENDER OF CITIES—Deut. 20:10-11, 16-17

TRIBUTE—1Kings 9:21, 2Kings 14:14, 18:14, 23:33, 2Chron 8:8





                                 LABOR LAWS





EMPLOYEES TREATMENT OF—Exod. 20:10, 21:2-11, 20, 26, 27, Lev. 25:39-55

Deut. 23:15-16, 24:14-15

SERVANTS, FREEDOM OF—Exod. 21:2-11, Lev. 25:39-46, Deut. 15:12-18,
23:15-16

SERVANTS, REDEMPTION OF—Lev. 25:47-55

UNIONS—Acts 19:24-29

WAGES—Lev. 19:13, Deut. 24:14-15, Matthew 20:1-16

WOMEN—Exod 21:7-11



                                 HUMANE LAWS





ANIMALS—Exod. 20:8-11, 23:5, 11-12, Lev. 22:28, 25:5-7, Deut. 25:4

ASSES—Exod. 23:5, 12

BIRDS—Deut 22:6-7

BLIND—Lev. 19:14, Deut 27:18, Luke 14:12-14

CATTLE—Exod. 20:8-11, Lev. 25:5-7

COWS—Lev. 22:28

DEAF—Lev. 19:14

EMPLOYEES—Deut. 24:14-15, Mal. 3:5

HANDICAPPED—Lev. 19:14, Luke 14:12-14

LAME—Luke 14:12-14

LOANS—Exod. 22:25, Deut. 15:1-2

MAIMED—Luke 14:12-14

NEIGHBOURS—Lev. 19:13

OPPRESSION—Deut. 24:14-15

ORPHANS—Exod. 22:22-24, Deut. 10:18, 14:28-29, 24:17-22, 26:12-13,
27:19, Jer. 7:6-7

Zechariah 7:10-12, Mal. 3:5

OX—Exod. 23:12, Deut. 25:4

PLEDGES—Exod. 22:26-27, Deut. 24:6,13

POOR—Exod. 22:25-27,Lev. 19:9-10, 25:35-38, Deut. 15:7-11, Neh.
5:1-13, Zech. 7:10-12,

Luke 3:11, 14:12-14, Gal. 2:10

SERVANTS, ABUSE OF—Exod. 21:20

SLAVES, FREEDOM OF—Exod. 21:1-11, Deut. 15:12-18, 23:15-16

SLAVES, TREATMENT OF—Exod. 20:10, 21:1-11, 23:12, Lev. 25:39-46

STRANGERS—Lev. 19:33-34, Deut. 10:18, 14:28-29, 24:17-22, 26:12-13,
27:19

Jer. 7:6-7, Zech. 7:10-12, Mal. 3:5

WIDOWS—Exod. 22:22-24, Deut. 10:18, 14:28-29, 24:17-22, 25:5-10,
26:12-13, 27:19,

Ruth 4:1-12, Jer. 7:6-7, Zech. 7:10-12, Mal. 3:5, Mark 12:38-40, Acts 6:1-3,
1 Tim 5:16

WILD ANIMALS—Exod. 23:11, Lev. 25:5-7





                                    TORTS



ASSAULT—Exod. 21:18-19

COMPENSATION—Exod. 21:18-19, 32, 35-36, 22:7-15

DAMAGE BY ANIMALS—Exod. 21:32

DAMAGE BY FIRE—Exod. 22:6

INJURY TO ANIMALS—Exod. 21:33-36, Lev. 24:18-21

LOSS OF BORROWED PROPERTY—Exod. 22:14-15

PERSONAL INJURY—Lev. 24:19-20

RIGHTS OF STRANGERS—Exod. 12:49

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Psssst, Herb, over here.........
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:22:14 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

In a message dated 9/12/99 7:09:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
philnancy@aol.com writes:

<< Sure Snead, that's why your pointing them out for us, eh!  Hehehe.

 Philip Mathews

  >>
  Glad you are seeing it my way now
Michael Snead
14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Jews Forced America Into World War II
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:27:29 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1113

> In a message dated 9/12/99 7:02:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> philnancy@aol.com writes:
>
> << p.s. Still no response to the shredding of your Zyklon B post I
see. >>
>
>
> Strange,  everyone else got the post.....but your comprehension is
minimal
> and retainability is mil so we expected that response from the
parrots.

Sure they did Snead!  Hehe.

Philip Mathews

> Michael Snead
> 14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Poor Defeated Snead
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:28:40 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1114
> In a message dated 9/12/99 7:02:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> philnancy@aol.com writes:
>
> << I'm still trying to figure why there is such a correlations
between low
>  IQ and Holocaust Denial.
>
>  Philip Mathews >>
>
> Then you just need a good ole introspection Phil.......Have you been
feeling
> a little sluggish lately?

Is that supposed to mean something?

Philip Mathews

P.S. Working on your next Zyklon B masterpiece?

> Michael Snead

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Zyklon B Gas
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:29:34 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1115
> In a message dated 9/12/99 7:06:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> philnancy@aol.com writes:
>
> << > > Jesus reviles people like you and the hate you spew!
>  > >
>  >
>  > js
>  > Just where in the Bible does Jesus Christ say that?...
>
>  Why does he have to say it?
>
>  Philip Mathews
>   >>
>
> Hey Aversionist...do you read his mind then? How do you know?
Dweeb.....

You mean, he doesn't speak to you?

Philip Mathews

> Michael Snead
> 14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: "Jews Screwing Jews"
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:30:22 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1116
> In a message dated 9/12/99 7:07:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> philnancy@aol.com writes:
>
> <<  and you should look to yourself and your sins.
>   >>
>
> Michael the Aryan writes....
> Strong words coming from the Son of perdition, Satan himself...

Playing God again, I see.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Psssst, Herb, over here.........
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:33:21 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1118
> In a message dated 9/12/99 7:09:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> philnancy@aol.com writes:
>
> << Sure Snead, that's why your pointing them out for us, eh!  Hehehe.
>
>  Philip Mathews
>
>   >>
>   Glad you are seeing it my way now

The only thing all observers see is your inability to defend one of the
few posts you made where you tried to debate an aspect of the
Holocaust. Can't wait for Zyklon B II!

Philip Mathews

> Michael Snead
> 14/88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Zyklon B Gas
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:54:10 -0400
From: jsavage 
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Hi All!
>
> Savage wrote:
>
> philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1100
> > Hi All!
> >
> > philnancy@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Griffin wrote:
> > >
> > > philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> > > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1079
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
> > >
> > > >
> > > > ....... Jew ,Stephen
> > > > >Abrams took his car and ran over several innocent children,
> killing
> > > a 4
> > > > >year
> > > > >old girl and a 3 year old boy in Costa Mesa, California and we
> heard
> > > a
> > > > >little
> > > > >bit about it...no screams for Car Control by the Clintonese
> > > government or
> > > > >the
> > > > >Jewish Media yet you let a white man take an automatic weapon
> into a
> > > Jewish
> > > > >school three months later and a few miles apart and wound 5
> people
> > > and you
> > > > >are bombarded by the Jewish propaganda. I will conclude my Zylon
> B
> > > posting
> > > > >early next week and put more cracks in the foundation of you
> alibis.
> > > > >Michael Snead
> > > > >14/88
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So true, Michael....And white Christians should be informed about
> > > this "hate
> > > > crime" committed by this Jew..
> > >
> > > I didn't think you moronic haters believed in hate crimes? I also
> see
> > > you've further circumscribed your group to just white Christians.
> Mind
> > > pointing out where Christ supports such a delineation?
> >
> > js
> > Matthew 15:24
> > "But he answered and said, I am not sent but
> > unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel".
>
> Not physically lost, moron.
>
Ezek 37:21 "And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD;
Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the
heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on
every side, and bring them into their own land:"

Ezek 37:22 "And I will make them one nation in the land upon
the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all:
and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be
divided into two kingdoms any more at all."

Ezek 37:23  "Neither shall they defile themselves any more with
their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of
their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their
dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them:
so shall they be my people, and I will be their God."

Uhoo..STUPID!....read the prophecy....It takes live
flesh and blood people to fulfill it!....

> >
> > True Israel is white....whether you like it or not!
>
> Nope, just another loony lie from you Christian Identity fruitloops.
>
Only if you can Spiritualize Israel....and you can't do it!
Ezekiel 37:15-24 says you don't stand a chance....

> >
> >
> > > Jesus reviles people like you and the hate you spew!
> > >
> >
> > js
> > Just where in the Bible does Jesus Christ say that?...
>
> Why does he have to say it?
>
js
You said that he had to say it!...

STUPID little you used the word "reviles" ("Jesus
reviles people like you...")....

STUPID little you doesn't know the definition for revile!

(transitive senses : to subject to verbal abuse ...)
(intransitive senses : to use abusive language...)

Now show me where he said it...good buddy!....or get back
on the sofa and continue licking yourself....

js
--
Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite
a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew".

                                       The 1980 Jewish Almanac

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Subject: [13texan] Dr. William Pierce.......
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:25:48 EDT
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American Dissident Voices Broadcast of September 11, 1999
Shuffling Toward the Slaughterhouse
by Dr. William Pierce
Last week we talked about some specific examples of the way in which the
bosses of the controlled media deliberately give most Americans a
severely distorted perception of what is happening in the world around
them, of what is fashionable, and so on. In particular, I talked about
the crooked way in which the media bosses report interracial crime. They
heavily overemphasize any attacks on non-Whites by Whites and minimize
or ignore attacks on Whites by non-Whites. They do this in order to
create the false impression in the public's mind that most interracial
crime is White on non-White, whereas in fact exactly the opposite is
true. The reason the media bosses deliberately create this false
impression in the public mind is to generate a sense of racial guilt in
Whites, to keep them on the defensive in all matters relating to race,
to keep them off balance and confused as the non-White assault on
America continues through immigration and other means. The aim is to
persuade White Americans to give up their freedom -- their freedom of
speech, their freedom of association, their freedom to keep and bear
arms for self-defense -- in order to relieve their sense of White guilt
and gain a false sense of security by stamping out dissent on racial
matters. In summary, the aim of the media bosses in distorting their
coverage of the news is to silence and disarm White Americans and keep
them on the defensive.
And that is their aim because they are Jews, and they are reaching for
even more control than they already have. This is the historic modus
operandi of the Jews. They are outsiders everywhere except in Israel,
and when they first appear in any Gentile society and begin reaching for
power they are resisted. The society treats the Jews as outsiders, as
aliens, and attempts to keep them from gaining control. The Jewish
method of countering this opposition is to work quietly to accumulate as
much wealth as possible. At the same time they work to corrupt the
society's leaders with money and to sow dissension among the masses, to
set one social class against another, to break up the society's
solidarity and its cohesiveness, so that there will be less resistance
to their penetration of the society.
During the latter half of the 19th century and the first part of the
20th century fomenting class warfare has been their most successful
technique in Europe. In Russia, for example, they would have had
difficulty in corrupting the enormously wealthy aristocracy with bribes,
but their technique of fomenting class warfare succeeded in destroying
Russian society and letting the Jews seize control through their Marxist
movement. In the United States, on the other hand, where the political
leaders are essentially hucksters and lawyers and the working class is
relatively well off compared to Russia, the Jews have had much more
success with corruption than with their attempts to foment classwarfare.
Many people who have studied the history of communism and have become
aware of the enormously disproportionate presence of Jews in that
movement have come to the erroneous conclusion that Jews are inherently
communists. The truth of the matter is that Jews are no more inherently
communist than they are inherently capitalist. Jews are inherently
acquisitive, ethnocentric, and cohesive, and they have a parasitic mode
of existence. They become communists when that serves their purpose of
breaking into a Gentile society and gaining control, and they become
capitalists when capitalism serves their purpose better than communism.
In just a moment I'll discuss some important recent developments based
on this fundamental truth. First, however, I want to add a bit to our
discussion of last week.
The Jews' aim, remember, is to destroy Gentile solidarity, to sow
confusion, to generate feelings of guilt, to morally disarm White
society so that it will be easy pickings, and in the last half of the
20th century their principal weapon for this purpose, more important
than corruption or class warfare, has been their control of the mass
media of news and entertainment. For week after week I've cited very
specific evidence of the way in which they use their control of the
media to confuse and demoralize the White public. Before I get to the
new developments I mentioned, I just want to bring you up to date with
another example.
On August 13 a 50-year-old White man, Gregory Griffith, was beaten,
kicked, and stomped into a coma by a group of young Blacks in
Jacksonville, Florida. The Blacks had been standing around on the
sidewalk jiving among themselves, and they decided to kill the next
White person who came along. Gregory Griffith was it. Griffith died from
the stomping on August 26 in Jacksonville's University Medical Center.
Have you heard anything about this murder? I'll bet you haven't, unless
you live in the immediate vicinity of Jacksonville. Do you think you
would have heard anything if Griffith had been Black and a group of
White skinheads had decided to kill the next Black who came down the
sidewalk? I'll bet you wouldn't have heard anything but that since
August 13. It would have been on network television every single night.
Bill Clinton and Janet Reno and the head of every major Jewish so-called
"human rights" organization would have been on television too, looking
grim and waving a stern forefinger at us and lecturing us about "White
racism" and "hate crime."
You remember that last week I told you about the three Indians who tied
a rope around a White man's neck and dragged him behind their pickup
truck in South Dakota until they thought he was dead. There's been very
little media coverage of that dragging since then, and what coverage
there has been has consisted mainly of arguments as to why it wasn't
really a so-called "hate crime." In the Jacksonville case there can be
no doubt whatsoever. The arrested Blacks confessed to police that they
killed Griffith solely because he was White, that they had agreed among
themselves to kill the next White person who came down the sidewalk. So
don't expect to see anything about it on television. They certainly
wouldn't want to spoil all of the propaganda they're planning for the
upcoming trial in Bryan, Texas, of the second defendant in last year's
Jasper dragging case. So you tell me, why do the Jewish media bosses do
this sort of thing if it's not for the purpose of keeping the White
couch potatoes feeling guilty and defensive about being White? Really,
confusion and moral disarmament and social breakdown are their purpose.
Television makes it much easier for them, but they were at it long
before television came along. Let me read you something which has been a
part of their tradition for more than 2,700 years. This was written by
one of the Jews' most revered religious leaders, Isaiah. In the 19th
chapter of the Book of Isaiah he spelled out the formula the Jews always
have used to break up a Gentile society and gain control. Isaiah wrote:
"And I will set the Egyptians against the Egyptians, and they shall
fight everyone against his brother and everyone against his neighbor,
city against city and kingdom against kingdom. And the spirit of Egypt
shall fail in the midst thereof, and I will destroy the counsel thereof,
and they shall seek to the idols and to the charmers and to them that
have familiar spirits and to the wizards." That was the formula 2,700years
ago.
Now, for some new developments. I've told you on several earlier
broadcasts about the growing problem of Jewish organized crime in
America. So let me tell you again: it's still growing -- fast. This
problem is interesting to us far beyond the interest we might have in,
say, a resurgence of the Mafia. A resurgence of the Mafia would simply
be a crime story: interesting, but not absolutely critical for our
survival. The growth of Soviet-Jewish organized crime -- the
"Organizatsiya," they call it -- is interesting to us first, for the
same reason the non-reporting by the Jewish media of the racial murder
of Gregory Griffith in Jacksonville is interesting. The media bosses
simply do not like to talk about the Organizatsiya, despite the fact
that its operations in the United States already dwarf those of all the
other criminal organizations operating here. When they do talk about
Jewish organized crime they never refer to it as "Jewish"; they always
call it "Russian" organized crime.
And you know, this refusal to talk honestly about Jewish organized crime
is more than an attempt to protect their fellow Jews who happen to be
gangsters, just like the refusal to talk honestly about interracial
crime is more than an attempt to shield Black criminals. The real aim in
both cases is to maintain a false image, a false belief, which they have
created in the minds of most White Americans. In the case of interracial
crime the false belief is that in most interracial crimes heterosexual
White males are the offenders and non-Whites are the victims. In the
case of Jewish organized crime the false image is that of the Jew as
gentle and inoffensive, as more cultured and more moral than his Gentile
neighbors, and especially as a victim rather than as an aggressor orpredator.
We all read news stories occasionally about rabbis caught smuggling
drugs or laundering money, but the way they're reported makes the
offenders seem like exceptions to the rule of Jewish rectitude and
inoffensiveness. However, when one looks closely at what Jewish
organized crime has done and is doing to Russia -- and what it is
beginning to do to the United States -- an entirely different image of
the Jews and their relationship to their hosts emerges.
Let's look first at Russia. The Organizatsiya literally runs the
country. It is bleeding Russia of its remaining wealth, pulling hundreds
of billions of dollars out of the country and stashing it in other
countries. The rule in the Russian government today is total corruption.
The police know who the gangsters are. The Russian Army and the Russian
police could have every organized criminal in Russia, from billionaire
media mogul Boris Abramovich Berezovsky on down, hanging from meat hooks
within 48 hours, if they were permitted to act. But Russian President
Boris Yeltsin and the other politicians around him will not permit it.
Yeltsin protects the Organizatsiya, and the Organizatsiya supports and
enriches him.
Do you remember back in 1996 how the Clinton government was pushing as
hard as it could for Yeltsin's re-election? There were promises of
financial assistance for Russia if Yeltsin remained as president, and
hints that there would be none if he were defeated. And of course, the
big television networks in Russia were solidly behind Yeltsin. Today
much is made of the rivalry between media moguls Boris Berezovsky, who
controls the largest network, ORT, and Vladimir Gussinsky, who controls
NTV, the second largest. But in 1996 both ORT and NTV were 100 per cent
for Yeltsin -- and of course, both Berezovsky and Gussinsky are Jews.
Gussinsky, in fact, is the titular head of Russia's entire Jewishcommunity.
In 1996 the big fear of the media bosses and the Clintonistas here was
that a genuine Russian patriot, a Russian nationalist, might win. The
Russian people, unfortunately, don't seem to be much more perceptive or
farsighted than the American people, and the solid support of Russia's
Jew-dominated television plus the promise of more financial aid from
America kept Yeltsin in power -- or to be more accurate, Yeltsin
remained in office, and the Jewish gangsters around him remained in
power. Whenever any Russian official begins to make a move against the
gangsters, Yeltsin fires him and brings someone else in. And the
gangsters continue bleeding Russia dry at the rate of hundreds of
billions of dollars a year.
The Central Intelligence Agency repeatedly warned the Clinton
administration that any financial aid money sent to Russia with Yeltsin
in office would end up in the hands of the Jewish thieves who are
effectively running the country. To the Clintonistas so long as the
thieves are Jewish, that's A-OK.
In September 1997 the Global Organized Crime Project at Washington's
Center for Strategic and International Studies released a report titled
"Russian Organized Crime." The Global Organized Crime Project was headed
by Judge William Webster, who formerly had headed both the FBI and the
CIA. Both Bill Clinton and Al Gore dismissed Webster's report on
organized crime in Russia, and other members of the Clinton
administration were ordered to ignore the report and the CIA's warnings.
Billions of dollars from the International Monetary Fund kept pouring
into Russia and into the hands of the Jewish thieves around Boris
Yeltsin. And the Russian people became poorer and hungrier.
The Jewish media in this country would have liked to have kept the
situation in Russia covered up, but the lid is beginning to come off a
bit now. Such huge sums of money are being taken out of Russia by the
Jews -- including most of the emergency aid provided by the IMF -- and
being laundered in Israel and America that people are noticing. The
scandal involving the laundering by the Bank of New York and BankBoston
Corporation of tens of billions of dollars stolen from the Russian
people by Jewish crime bosses with the connivance of Boris Yeltsin has
made headlines recently, following an FBI sting operation that the
Clinton administration inadvertently failed to halt. The stories about
the massive money-laundering operation which appeared in the New York
Times and USA Today late last month referred to all of the criminals as
"Russians" rather than as "Jews," of course. You have to read the
Israeli papers like Ha'aretz and Yediot Ahronot to see them identifiedas Jews.
One would think that someone in the Congress would insist on a
full-scale Congressional investigation. I mean, here is the Clinton
administration solidly tied to massive international corruption, tied to
the impoverishment and destabilization of a foreign nuclear power, tied
to the bringing of racketeers and racketeering money into the United
States on a huge scale, and the Clintonistas cannot claim that they
didn't know, that they weren't warned. What a wonderful campaign issue
for the Republicans to use! So why are all of the Republican politicians
sitting on their hands and pretending not to notice what's going on,
just like the Democrats? Are they trying to avoid embarrassing a bunch
of crooked  -- quote -- "Russians" -- unquote -- ? Hardly. Are they
already on the take from the Jewish crime bosses, like the Democrats
are? Probably not -- yet. But they all understand -- all of them -- that
this is not a "Russian" issue; it's a Jewish issue. They all understand
that, and so they're afraid to touch it.
What does this mean for our future? For one thing it means that the
Organizatsiya will continue building its presence in America. It's
already by far the largest and most dangerous criminal organization in
America, and it is now clear that America's government will not move
against it, and America's news media will not rouse the people against
it. The Jews have softened up America, have broken down American
society, have corrupted American institutions, to the point where there
will be almost no resistance to their further penetration and takeover.
No Republican politician, from George Bush, Jr., on down will stand
against them. Instead, the Republicans will have their hands out for
their share of the loot, just the way the Democrats do, and just the way
Boris Yeltsin does.
One difference between the behavior of the Jewish crime bosses relative
to America and their behavior relative to Russia that we will see is
that the Jews are pulling money out of Russia and bringing it to the
United States. They have bled Russia almost dry, but there's still much
blood to be sucked from America. America will be the next center for
Jewish organized crime.
And in America we'll be seeing much more of the viciousness and violence
with which these Jews operate, as they gain self-confidence here: the
same sort of murderous thuggery which characterizes their presence in
Russia, in Germany, and in other places where they dominate criminal
activity and where they butcher whole families with the same callousness
displayed by a slaughterhouse worker butchering a herd of cattle. When
they have trouble with some of their White slaves -- with some of the
girls they have forced into prostitution -- they think nothing of
slitting the throats of a dozen of them in order to terrify the others
back into submission. I mean, these girls are only goyim, only shiksas,
so why not treat them like the cattle they are?
For a while the FBI will carry on its investigations of the
Organizatsiya, and the CIA will issue its warnings, and there will be
stories in the New York Times about  -- quote -- "Russian" -- unquote
--  gangsters, but by and large no real move will be made to stop them
or to warn the American people. The American political system already
has been corrupted beyond the point of no return, and the mass media
which are used to control the thinking and the behavior of the American
masses already are almost completely in Jewish hands.
Just to be on the safe side, however, the Jews are continuing to wrap up
a few loose ends in the area of media control. An example was the
takeover this week of CBS by Viacom and its boss Sumner Redstone. Not
that CBS wasn't already thoroughly Jewish, but there was always the
danger that some very rich Gentile maverick might try to buy it and
change its flavor. Now it's safely in the hands of the Jewish media boss
who gave us MTV, Sumner Redstone.
To reiterate: the classic Jewish technique for infiltrating and
softening up a Gentile society so that it can be taken over is reaching
its final stages in America. No mainstream American institution will put
up any substantial resistance to the completion of this process -- not
the government, not the Christian churches, not the military leadership,
and certainly not the mass media. All have been corrupted or taken over.
And the American people will continue shuffling meekly toward the
slaughterhouse so that the beast can drain the last drop of blood from
them. Just as they were afraid to speak out against the massive
non-White immigration which has changed the racial complexion of America
for fear of being called "racists," so will they also remain silent and
non-resisting as Jewish organized crime spreads its tentacles over
America for fear of being called "anti-Semitic." If the beast is to be
killed, we'll have to do it ourselves.
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Subject: [13texan] National Alliance on the Holocaust...
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:52:22 EDT
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New Studies Cast Doubt on "Holocaust" Claims
Welcome to American Dissident Voices, the first uncensored patriotic radio
program. I'm Kevin Alfred Strom.

On the mall in Washington, DC, near the great museums and monuments to
America's founders and heroes, on priceless land paid for by the American
people stands a newly-opened six-sided building called the "Holocaust
Memorial Museum." Though its boosters claim this museum is dedicated to
education, to compassion, and to an understanding of history; it is actually
a huge monument to bigotry and falsehood. You will be shocked by what I am
about to tell you, shocked not so much by my "political incorrectness" but by
fact that you, my friends, have been brazenly lied to, cruelly used, and
treated with contempt.

Before we get into the main portion of today's program, I've got two special
announcements to make regarding the American Dissident Voices radio schedule.
You might want to get out paper and pencil, or start your tape recorders now,
because you'll want to get all the following information down accurately.

First, I want to let all of the listeners to our shortwave broadcasts know
that starting this week, American Dissident Voices can be heard at an
additional time on an additional frequency. In addition to our regular time
of 9 p.m. Eastern Time Saturday on 7355 kHz, we'll also be heard four hours
later at 1 a.m. Eastern Time on 7395 kHz. This additional airing will
continue at least through the end of December. WRNO is airing us at this
additional time because they'll be carrying some live sports broadcasts which
may occasionally pre-empt our regular 9 p.m. Eastern Time airing. If we're
not on at our regular time, please tune in later the same evening at 1 a.m.
Eastern Time, 10 p.m. Pacific Time, on 7395, that's 7-3-9-5 kHz.

We're also very proud to announce this week that we've added another powerful
clear channel station to our American Dissident Voices lineup. All across a
vast area of western North America, we can now be heard every Friday evening
at 10:30 p.m. Central Time at 880 on your AM dial, via 50,000-Watt KRVN in
Lexington, Nebraska. That's every Friday evening at 10:30 p.m. Central Time,
9:30 Mountain Time, at 880 on your AM dial. If you have friends or family who
can't pick up our international shortwave broadcasts, because they don't have
a shortwave radio, and they live in the western half of the U.S. or Canada,
ask them to try and tune us in on KRVN 880 next Friday at 10:30 p.m. Central
Time.

We'd definitely be interested in receiving reception reports as to how KRVN
and/or our new 7395 shortwave broadcasts are coming in. Write to National
Vanguard Books, Department R, PO Box 90, Hillsboro, WV 24946 USA. Enclose one
dollar or two International Reply Coupons if you'd like a copy of our big
patriotic book catalog and our latest radio schedule. That's National
Vanguard Books, Department R, PO Box 90, Hillsboro, WV 24946 USA.

Please stay tuned to the very end of this broadcast because I'll have even
more radio schedule information for you at that time.

A Terrible Tragedy for Many Nations
World War II was an unparalleled tragedy. It is undoubtedly the greatest and
most destructive conflict in human history. At least 55 million souls
perished in its infernos, most of them civilians. And that isn't even
counting the millions who died as a result of starvation, forced population
transfers, mistreatment of POWs, and Communist takeovers after the war was
over. No one with any moral sense could ever want to minimize this tragedy,
or even any aspect of it. And I assure you that such is not my intent in this
program.

But I must speak out when that great tragedy, and the loss of millions upon
millions of innocent lives, are being twisted and distorted for political
purposes and monetary gain; and when most of the suffering of that terrible
war is being ignored or minimized because of the single-minded agenda of one
particular group.

The Numbers Game
How many Americans died in World War II? Chances are you can't give an answer
to that question without reference to an almanac or encyclopedia. When I ask
that question to high school and college students all I usually get are blank
stares.

More blank stares are the result when the questions are: How many Russians
died in World War II? How many Frenchmen? How many British? How many Germans?
How many Italians?

But when the question is, "How many Jews died in World War II?" there is
hardly anyone who doesn't immediately have the figure "6 million" and the
word "Holocaust" on his lips. Why is it that we can't come up with the most
basic facts about the losses of any other people in that terrible war - why
is it that we don't even know how many Americans died - while the "6 million"
figure for Jewish losses is drilled into our brains from elementary school
through college, and is repeated and emphasized again and again on television
and in the movies?

That's actually a very good question. For many years, scholars and
researchers have been delving into the history of World War II, and their
research has cast a lot of doubt on the commonly accepted 6 million figure
for Jewish losses in that war. Now undoubtedly you've heard Jewish spokesmen
decrying this movement among historians and researchers to bring our history
books into closer accord with the facts. This movement is usually called
"revisionism," because of the belief of its adherents that the history of
wars is usually written by the victors, and the victors often have a lot of
reasons for lying: covering up their own atrocities, and justifying extreme
actions taken against those they wish to paint as "evil."

But what these Jewish spokesmen haven't told you is that it isn't only
Revisionists who have questioned the six million figure. Even establishment
historians and even official Jewish "Holocaust" historians have been forced
by new studies and documents to drastically revise that figure downward. But
you, lowly citizen, haven't been told. Although in scholarly publications it
is now admitted that many of the original claims about Jewish losses during
World War II were exaggerations or fabrications; the American people aren't
deemed worthy of knowing this. For the hoi polloi, the Six Million figure is
still given, and claims long ago discredited to nearly all historians of
every background and political persuasion, such as the claim that there were
gas chambers for killing Jews on German soil, are still paraded as the truth
in endless books, plays, films, and television programs. Let's take a look at
some of these figures that are generally kept out of public view.

United Press International carried a story on March 26, 1992 that was carried
in a few newspapers, usually just a few square inches on a corner of an
inside page. The story deals with deaths at the German wartime concentration
camp Auschwitz, which has long been alleged to be the lynchpin of the
"Holocaust," where 4 million of the alleged 6 million deaths occurred,
supposedly by gassing of Jewish inmates. Let me quote from this article:

"Warsaw, Poland (UPI) - Newly released documents confirm that 1.5 million
victims died at the Nazi concentration camp of Auschwitz-Birkenau during
World War II, not 4 million - as claimed by the former Soviet Union - Jewish
and Polish officials said yesterday. Wladyslaw Bartoszewski, a member of the
Council for Dialogue between Poles and Jews, said the official account of the
number of victims was reduced following verification of archives recently
returned by Soviet authorities to Poland. Polish communist authorities used
the 4 million figure because it was established by a postwar Soviet
commission on Nazi crimes."

2.5 million that were presumed dead actually survived! This is really
astounding news, and good news I should think from almost anyone's point of
view. Even Jewish authorities on the period concur with this reduction in the
death tolls. But why aren't we told in our textbooks and on our televisions
that we must now reduce the "official" six million to 3.5 million? Why
indeed?

In fact, the situation is even more amazing. The establishment holocaust
historian Reitlinger has been forced by recent revelations to revise his
estimate of Auschwitz deaths from 4 million down to 600,000. And when the
collapsing Soviet Union recently released the captured German records for
Auschwitz for 1942 and 1943 (when the alleged extermination program was
supposed to be in full swing) to the Red Cross, which meticulously recorded
the deaths of inmates, the total was found to be only 70,000, and that was
for all causes and for all inmates, not just Jewish ones. Why hasn't this
been prominently featured in the media? Why does the now-discredited 6
million figure still rule there?

Another largely hidden fact is the retreat of the Holocaust claimants from
their original position on concentration camps on German soil. Initially
after the war it was claimed that such camps, such as the camp at Dachau, had
been used for execution by gas of hundreds of thousands of Jewish inmates.
After the war, a simulated "gas chamber" was constructed and a plaque erected
to honor its victims. When they were exposed as frauds, and even the Jewish
Holocaust historians have admitted they were frauds, the plaque was removed
and the claims were quietly withdrawn. In fact, they now admit that none of
the concentration camps on German soil during World War II were used for any
purpose of extermination of anybody, any more than were the concentration
camps set up on American soil by the Roosevelt government for the internment
of Japanese. But this admission is ignored in the popular media. The
"Holocaust" claims are now restricted to camps in Poland. When a
media-conditioned American hears the word "Dachau," he immediately thinks
"Death Camp." And no effort is made by our largely Jewish media executives to
correct this misinformation for which they are largely responsible.

Now no responsible person denies that hundreds of thousands of persons, both
inmates and staff, died in these concentration camps. Let me read to you from
the official report of the International Committee of the Red Cross on the
subject, as printed in the book Did Six Million Really Die?

"One of the most important aspects of the Red Cross report is that it
clarifies the true cause of those deaths that undoubtedly occurred in the
camps towards the end of the war. Says the report: 'In the chaotic condition
of Germany after the invasion [that is the invasion of Europe by American and
Soviet forces] during the final months of the war, the camps received no food
supplies at all and starvation claimed an increasing number of victims.
Itself alarmed by this situation, the German government at last informed the
ICRC [International Committee of the Red Cross] on February 1st, 1945... In
March 1945, discussions between the President of the ICRC and General of the
S.S. Kaltenbrunner gave even more decisive results. Relief could henceforth
be distributed by the ICRC, and one delegate was authorised to stay in each
camp...' ...The Red Cross are quite explicit in stating that food supplies
ceased at this time due to the Allied bombing of German transportation, and
in the interests of interned Jews they had protested on March 15th, 1944
against 'the barbarous aerial warfare of the Allies.' By October 2nd, 1944,
the ICRC warned the German Foreign Office of the impending collapse the
German transportation system, declaring that starvation conditions for people
throughout Germany were becoming inevitable." It should also be added that
many thousands died from outbreaks of typhus and other deadly diseases at a
time when not only food but also medicine was largely unavailable. These are
the reasons for the horrible mass deaths and piles of unburied corpses found
by advancing Allied troops, all over Germany and the East, and especially in
the concentration camps.

Another fact which hasn't been revealed in the mainstream media is the recent
trip to Auschwitz by Jewish researcher David Cole, who interviewed the
curator of the Auschwitz museum, Dr. Francsizek Piper, who openly admitted
that the alleged "gas chamber" at Auschwitz had been constructed after the
war!

You also haven't been told about the research conducted by gas chamber design
engineer and expert Fred Leuchter, who travelled to Auschwitz and took
samples of the walls of the alleged gas chambers, analysis of which along
with studies of the building itself led Mr. Leuchter to the conclusion that
no gassings had ever, or in fact could ever have been conducted there.

A Memorial for Those With Money and Power
So now we have a "Holocaust Memorial Museum" funded to the tune of many
millions by the American taxpayer. I would have no objection to such a museum
if its purpose were to honor the innocent dead who died in World War II on
both sides of that conflict. And no one doubts the reality of those that
really did die in the concentration camps in that war. But this museum
continues the one-sided propaganda line that only one group's suffering
really mattered. It continues the now-discredited claim of six million deaths
by gassing of Jewish inmates, figures which even official scholarly Jewish
sources say were exaggerations. It ignores the deaths of many millions who
died during and after that war - the German civilians who were firebombed to
death in Dresden and Hamburg - the millions of many nationalities who died on
forced marches in the population transfers after the victory of the Red Army
in the East - the millions of civilians who starved to death as a result of
the Allied food blockade - the hundreds of thousands of Eastern European
patriots repatriated at gunpoint on Eisenhower's orders back to a certain
death behind the Iron Curtain - and I could go on and on...it's outrageous! A
REAL Holocaust museum would also have the intellectual honesty to mention the
intentional starvation of millions of Ukrainians by the largely Jewish
Communists there during the 1920's. But no. That wouldn't fit in with the
narrow political agenda of the museum's real backers. It is no surprise that
the Communists are treated as heroes in "our" Holocaust Memorial Museum.

It is not truly a memorial to the victims of the many holocausts of the
twentieth century. It is a monument to those with money and power, who use a
one-sided and exaggerated depiction of their suffering to get money from the
taxpayers. And I do not mean just the few dozen millions that were spent so
far on the museum. No. I mean the 3 or 4 billion we give Israel every year.
The new ten billion in "loan guarantees." The many billions that German
taxpayers have been forced to contribute to Israel.

Even though the popular version of the six million legend is admitted in
private to be an exaggeration, it is so lucrative that even those who know it
to be false keep it alive in the eyes of the public. The legend of a unique
Jewish suffering during the war also provides a moral blackmail of sorts
against anyone who criticizes Israeli or Jewish policies.

It all comes down, as do so many things in America these days, to money and
power.

Doubts in the Public Mind
There are some encouraging signs that a growing percentage of Americans are
beginning to realize that they're being used. A poll by the Roper
Organization on April 19 revealed that some 32 per cent of Americans have
some doubts about the Holocaust story they've been told.

Responses to Revisionism - Legal and Illegal
Even if you have some doubts about the facts I've been revealing on this
program, I'd like you to ask yourself this question. Have the advocates of
the Holocaust story been willing to debate the issue openly with the
revisionist historians? Or have they resorted to name-calling and
intimidation?

Fred Leuchter, who I mentioned before had done chemical analysis which proved
that no gassings took place at Auschwitz, has been hounded and harassed by
Jewish groups, and most of his professional clients have been intimidated
into dropping him, effectively putting him out of business.

In Canada, Ernst Zundel was tried and convicted for publishing a booklet that
a certain group didn't like, entitled Did Six Million Really Die? which
questions the official version of history.

Famed best-selling British author and historian David Irving, whose research
into original wartime documents has led him to the conclusion that "there's
not a single shred of evidence that Hitler ordered the death of six million
Jews at Auschwitz," has been barred from entering Canada because of his views
on this topic, and has been tried and convicted of uttering forbidden
thoughts in Germany.

I ask you, are these the actions of people sure of the truth of their
convictions? Or are they the desperate actions of liars willing to do
anything to prevent the exposure of their lies?

What Can We Learn From This?
I think that all thoughtful and patriotic people need to look at both sides
of this issue and decide for themselves. For far too long one side has had a
monopoly on victimhood and has been able to squelch criticism of their claims
quite effectively. But I think you deserve to decide for yourself. That's why
I am making an offer to you this week of the book I mentioned earlier that
they tried to ban in Canada and which has been officially or unofficially
suppressed by corrupt establishments in about a dozen countries around the
world. Now you see for yourself what all these folks are so afraid of. To
every listener who donates $6 or more to keep American Dissident Voices on
the air, we will send a copy of Did Six Million Really Die as our Radio Offer
Number 14. Examine the facts and claims from all sources and decide for
yourself if you have been lied to and if your good will has been grossly
abused, as I have alleged on this program.

Just send $6 or more to our regular address, National Vanguard Books,
Department R, PO Box 90, Hillsboro, WV 24946 USA, and remember to ask for
Radio Offer Number 14.

A Final Word
We've received word of an important new radio program produced by patriot and
fighter for free speech Ernst Zundel of Canada. Ernst Zundel has been covered
on American Dissident Voices in the past, but for those of you who don't know
him, Ernst Zundel, a German-born Canadian artist, writer, and publisher, has
for almost a decade been fighting for his rights to free speech and thought
in Canada. After being convicted of "thought crimes" for doubting the
official version of the history of World War II, he waged a valiant struggle
for freedom of thought, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and
historical truth. His supposed "crime" was distributing the very book we
offer today as our Radio Offer Number 14 - Did 6 Million Really Die. At great
personal cost, he finally emerged victorious and the shameful "gag order"
that had been imposed upon him by the courts in Canada has now been lifted.
He's taken to the worldwide airwaves and can now be heard with his
English-language "Voice of Freedom" program over WRNO from 5 to 5:30 p.m.
Eastern US Time every Sunday afternoon on 15420 kHz. Mr. Zundel also has a
German-language version of his show on WINB every Saturday and Sunday at 3
p.m. Eastern Time on 15145 kHz, and on WWCR every Sunday at 12:30 p.m.
Eastern Time on 15685 kHz. Congratulations Ernst Zundel, I say to you and to
all our American Dissident Voices listeners - Keep on thinking free! This is
Kevin Alfred Strom - I'll see you next week!

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Subject: [13texan] Columbine High and Hate Crime
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:33:39 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

    I have heard so much about Hate Crimes that it makes me sick,  yet every
opportunity the media has that is convenient they will use this term. I
believe that if you murder anyone, regardless of skin color or religion you
should do time and in some cases the perpetrator should get the death penalty.
Michael Snead

THE JEWISH BACKGROUND OF COLORADO KILLER

Mother of one killer grew up in Bexley

April 23, 1999

By Dean Narciso and Kevin Kidder
Dispatch Police Reporters

The mother of one of the boys responsible for the bloody
rampage that killed 15 in Colorado grew up in Bexley.

Susan Klebold, 50, is the mother of Dylan Klebold, 17, one of two
students of Columbine High School who opened fire on fellow
students Tuesday. She grew up in Bexley as Susan Yassenoff.

Judy Feiertag lived next door to Susan Yassenoff and baby-sat
her and her brother and sister. The Yassenoffs lived on S.
Roosevelt Ave.

When Feiertag learned that her next-door neighbor from decades
ago was Dylan Klebold's mother, she was stunned, she said.
"My legs absolutely buckled. I got shivers."

"I was just shocked. I was sickened when I saw this on the news,
but it makes it that much worse when you realize an acquaintance
of yours was involved,'' Feiertag said last night.

Susan Klebold is the granddaughter of Leo Yassenoff, a
philanthropist in the Columbus Jewish community and donor
to the Leo Yassenoff Jewish Community Center of Columbus,
1125 College Ave., which bears his name.

The Klebolds, along with the parents of Eric Harris, 18, the
other teen involved in the slayings, remained in seclusion at
their homes, according to Denver-area media.

A Dayton television station also reported an Ohio connection
with Harris, who it said attended Valley Elementary School in
suburban Beavercreek, Ohio, at least through the second grade.
Harris' father reportedly was stationed at Wright-Patterson Air
Force Base from May 5, 1983, to Aug. 1, 1989.

Feiertag said that Mrs. Klebold's up bringing wouldn't have
indicated that she'd encounter such tragedy as an adult.

"They grew up in a wonderful, warm household,'' she said.
"Her family was wonderful, warm and caring. The kids had a
terrific family life.

"You have to wonder what Susan and her husband are going
through.''

Feiertag recalled that, as a 12-year-old, she baby-sat Susan;
her older sister, Diane; and younger brother, Philip. They are
the children of Milton and Charlotte Yassenoff.

The elder Yassenoffs are deceased. The siblings were not
available for comment.

Susan Yassenoff attended Temple Israel and the Columbus
School for Girls, Feiertag said. Spokesmen from the temple
and the school could not be reached.

It's unclear when Susan Yassenoff moved from central Ohio to
Colorado, although records show the Yassenoff family sold the
Bexley home in the late 1970s.

County records in Colorado show that Susan and Thomas
Klebold bought their home in the Littleton area in 1990. It sits
on about 5-1/2 acres. They also own a vacant 5- acre lot.
Records show their holdings to be worth about $500,000.

Records there also show that the Klebolds run Fountain Real
Estate Mortgage Management from their home, a modernistic
cedar-and-glass structure with matching guest house tucked
between two huge stone formations on a rural road.

Mrs. Klebold also is assistant director of Access to Employment
Projects for the Colorado Community College and Occupational
Education System in Denver, said her boss, Sharon Wink.

Mrs. Klebold started in the college system in September 1984 as
director of disability services at Arapahoe Community College,
working with deaf, blind and other disabled students.

A co-worker described Thomas Klebold, 52, who explored for oil
and gas for mostly small independent companies in Colorado,
as a liberal who favors gun-control laws.

Ed Berg said Mr. Klebold, now self-employed, had mentioned
some disciplinary troubles with his son, but nothing atypical
for the father of a teen-ager.

Another central Ohio resident who recently moved to Colorado
said she met Dylan Klebold there earlier this year.

Christie Yourick, 14, who moved to Castle Rock, Colo., in late
December with her family, had gone to a mall there with a friend.
They ran into Dylan, whom her friend knew.

A former Gahanna resident who now lives near Littleton,
 Christie said she met him about two months ago

"He didn't really seem all that whacked. He was smart,'' she said.
"But he just talked on and on.''

She said they walked around the mall for about an hour.
 He wore a black trench coat, she said.

"He would get right into these specifics of war.
He would say, 'Yeah, I'm glad they bombed them,' ''
Christie recalled. "But he was nice to me.''

The Denver Post and the Associated Press contributed to this story.
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  SHE WAS KILLED BY A JEW, YET IT WAS NOT CALLED A HATE CRIME
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this artical I scanned for other to read.

FROM THE BOOK SHE SAID YES: THE UNLIKELY MARTYRDOM OF CASSIE BERNALL,
BY: MISTY BERNALL PUBLISHED BY THE PLOUGH PUBLISHING HOUSE.
COPYRIGHT1999 BY MISTY BERNALL.

THE GIRL WHO DIED FOR HER BELIEFS

When she was confronted by the killers at Columbine High,
in Littleton, Colorado, seventeen-year-old Cassie Bernall
told them she believed in God. Ihen they shot her. Here,
for the first time, her mother speaks out about her daughter's
final act of courage By Misty Bernall

 April 20, 1999, startedlike any other school
 day in our home. Atfive-forty-five A.M., my
 husband, Brad, left for work, and a short time
 later, I woke the kids. Getting teenagers out of
 bed is always a battle, but that Tuesday was
 especiallydifficult.Cassie had stayed up
 late the night before tocatch up on homework.
 About seven-twenty,my son, Chris, fifteen,
 kissed me good-bye andheaded out the door.
 Cassie stopped to puton her beloved velvet Dr. Martens, then
 grabbed her backpack and followed herI'll ever be"
 brother. As she left I said, "'Bye, Cass. I love you.
"Love you, too, Mom," she mumbled. Then she was
 gone, through the backyard to the high school, which is
 only a hundred yards from our house.
 Around lunchtime, I got a call at work from Charlie, a
 friend, asking me if I'd heard about a shooting at the high
 school. I tried not to panic. It was probably just some
 kids facing off in the parking lot, I told myself Besides, I
 had always thought of Columbine as safe.
 I called Brad, who was home from work early. He said
 that he'd heard several pops and one or two loud booms.
 It was probably just some pranksters setting off
 firecrackers, he assured me.
 But after we hung up, Brad went outside and peered
 over our backyard fence. There were cops everywhere.
 He ran back inside and turned on the TV and saw the
 first live coverage of the shootings.
 "My thoughts were focused on Cassie and Chris, but
 in the back of my mind, I was sure they were both
 okay," Brad says. "It seems that if something were to
 happen to someone close to you, you would sense it."

 By the time I got to Columbine, hundreds of people had
 L already descended on the area near the school desperate
 Parents frantically searching for their children, plus police
 Officers, reporters and onlookers. It was complete pande-
 nonium. All we knew for 'sure was that two armed gun-
 nen had gone on a rampage through the school, mowing
 ~wn students and then boasting about it.
 Some parents were directed to an elementary school to
 wait for news; others of us were taken to th~ public
 library. It was like a bat tle zone. I ran from one
 cluster of students to an other, yelling for Cassie
 and Chris and asking if anyone had seen them.
 We found Chris in the afternoon. He had fled to
 a neighbor's house and finally managed to get
 through to us. Immedi ately I began to breathe
 easier. Thank God, I thought. But that sense
 of relief lasted only for a second or two. Where
 was my daughter? Gradually fatigue over took me
 and I wenthome that night and tried to go to sleep. But
 every time I closed my eyes, a new nightrnare
 would jolt me awake. All I could see was Cassi huddled
 in some dark closet, wondering if it was safe to come out;
 lying on a cold floor, bleeding to death; crying out for help
 with no one to comfort her. How I longed to hold her.
 The agony of her absence was more than I could bear.
 Around three-thirty in the morning I finally got up.
 Brad and I walked down the street to where a sheriff's car
 was sitting. We asked the officer several questions, but he
 wouldn't give us any answers. Finally, Brad said, "Look,
 just tell us the truth. We have reason to believe that our
 daughter is still in the school. Is anyone in there alive?"
 The officer said, "Okay, I'll give it to you straight.
 There is no one left alive."
 Even then, I was not yet ready to give up hope.
 "There's always a chance she's one of the injured who's
 not accounted for at the hospital," I told Brad.
 Twenty-two hours later, at about two A.M. on Thurs-
 day, my defenses finally collapsed. The phone rang and a
 woman from the coroner's office told us what we had
 been dreading: They had Cassie's body. Our little gitl was
 gone forever. I cried as I had never cried before.

 From what I've been told, it must have been about
 eleven-fifteen Tuesday morning when Cassie walked into
 the school library to do a homework assigument. Crystal,
 a close fliend of Cassie's, was also in the library, sitting
 with some other classmates. "We had been there maybe
 five minutes when a teacher came running in, yelling that
 there were kids with guns in the hall," she told me. "At
 first we were like, 'It's a joke, a senior prank.' Then we
 heard shots coming closer. A kid came in and I dropped to
 the floor. There was blood all overhis shoulder.
 We got under our table, fast.
 Then Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold came into the library,
 shooting and saying things like, 'We've been waiting to do
 this our whole lives,' and cheering after each shot.
 "Their voices sounded scary, evil. At the same time,
 they seemed so happy, like they were playing a game.
 They came up to our table and they were right above us.
 I could hardly breathe, I was so scared. Then suddenly,
 they left the room-probably to reload. We dashed out a
 side door just before they came back in."
 Crystal had lost track of Cassie once the shooters en-
 tered the room, and there are conflicting versions of what
 my daughter was doing. One student remembers seeing
 her under a table with her hands clasped in prayer; anoth-
 er says she remained in her chair. Josh, a sophomore who
 spoke with me a few weeks after the incident, didn't see
 her at all, but he says he will never forget what he heard
 Cassie say as he crouched under a desk about twenty-live
 feet away: "One of those guys asked her if she believed in
 God. She paused, and then she said yes. She must have
 been scared, but her voice was strong. Then they asked
 her why, but they didn't give her a chance to respond.
 They just blew her away.
 I was consumed with grief If there's anything more
 wrenching than seeing your own child lowered into a
 grave, it's going back afterward to stand there alone and
 cry. One moment I wished I could die on the spot, just
 so I could be with my baby, the next I tried to convince
 mysell, You are with her. She sees you're here, she
 knows that you still love her and care about her.
 For me, the details of April 20 refuse to fade. Doctors
 say the brain forgets pain, but I am not sure the heart for-
 gets. I am tortured by the thought of Cassie's final mo-
 ments, of the panic she must have felt. Illogical as it
 seems, I struggle with a sense of guilt that I was not there
 at her side. As her mother, I should have been.
 Other memories haunt me as well. Looking back on
 the last evening of Cassie's lile, I still see her sitting in the
 kitchen, doing her homework. She hadn't done her
 chores yet, and I'm sure I nagged her. That's painful to
 admit. So is my belated recognition that our relationship,
 though generally good, was not ideal.
 Perhaps the cruelest agony of losing Cassie the way we
 did is the fact that she never would have been at
 Columbine that day if we hadn't tried to rescue her by
 transferring her from another high school two and a half
 years earlier. At that time, our relationship with our
 daughter was frayed almost beyond repair.

 In December 1996, 1 quit my job. I wanted to spend
 more time with my kids. Chris's grades were slipping,
 and Cassie seemed to be growing more and more distant.
 One day, shortly after I resigned, I was feeling blue
 about my inability to connect with Cassie, when I re-
 membered that my brother and his wife had given her a
 Bible for teens. In it was a guide that provided young
 readers with insights into dealing with their parents.
 Hoping to gain some tips myself I went into Cassie's room
 and began looking through her drawers for it.
 I came across a stack of letters that froze me in my
 tracks. One addressed to Cassie from her best friend,
 Mona*, opened with several lines of unprintable sex talk
 and then went on to discuss a teacher at the high school.
 "Want to help me murder her?" Mona asked Cassie in
 the letter. "She called my parents and told them about my
 F." The letter ended with drawings of knives and vampire
 teeth, and a caricature of the teacher lying in a pool
 of blood with butcher knives protruding from her chest.
 Several of the letters advised Cassie to do away with
 me and Brad to solve her problems. One ended with:
 "Kill your parents! Murder is the answer to all of your
 problems. Make those scumbags pay for your suffering."
 Another was illustrated with a crudely drawn knife
 dripping with "parents' guts," headstones for "Pa and Ma
  Bemall" and "k.I.P." On a piece of notebook paper deco-
 rated with drawings of marijuanaleaves, vampires
 and moons and stars, Mona had written " we need to
 murder your parents . . . kill me with your parents,
 then kill yourself so youdon't go to jail."

 I was stunned. I called Brad at workand told him to
 come home. Most of the letters were written by
 Mona, but as we later found out from Cassie, she had
 written similar notes. In any case, the letters. had
 made itclear that even if she did not bear the masn
 responsibility for committing the murderous fantasies
 to paper, ourdaughter was a willing accomplice.
 It was clear to us that this was not a problem we could
 deal with alone. Wecontacted Mona's mother, our pastor
 at West Bowles Community Churchand the sheriff's department.
 We were dealing with the possibility of murder, I felt,
 and I was afraid for my life. Brad never took the death
 threats as seriously as I did. But to me, when a person
 is gripped by an evil idea, that evil has a power of its own.
 If there were even a smidgen of reality to Cassie's gory
 plans to do us in, Iwas going to make sure the sheriff
 knew about it. Even more important, we were afraid for
 Cassie. She was heading for the edge of a clifi, and we
 had to pull her back immediately. When our daughter breezed
 in from school that day we told her we'd found the letters.
 At first she tried to downplay it, but once she realized that
 we weren't about to let her off the hook, she flew into a
 screaming rage. We were ovenreacting, she shrieked at
 us. She had never been serious about killing us or anyone else.
 We had trampled on her rights by going through her bedroom
 without her permission and taking things that didn't
 belong to us. And since it was obvious that we had no love
 for her at all, shewould run away and kill herself How
 we managed to get through the next weeks I'll never know.
 Every day, Cassie would erupt in fits of anger and despair.
 I began to dread getting up in the morning. On December 31,
 we met with Mona, her parents, an investigator and a detective
 from the juvenile crimes division. We were shocked to discover
 that Mona's parents were openly hostile toward us. Thankfully,
 the detective and the investigator took the situation as
 seriously as we did, and they supported our desire for a
 restraining order to bar Mona from further contact with Cassie.
 The sheriff told Mona's parents that the letters were the worst
 he had seen in morethan a decade in juvenile crime.
 Needless to say, our meeting at the sheriff's office made us more
 determoned to protect Cassie. We knew, however, there was always
 a chance that in clamping down on her, we would only drive her
 further away.Yet part of me was so angry at Cassie that I
 almost didn't care. Here was this child I loved with all tny being

 telling me she hated me! How could she betray me like this?
 Brad and I decided that we would  not send Cassie back to her
 high school; from now on she would go to a private
 Christian school. We also conducted  regular arches of her room
 and backpack, and forbade her to use the phone orleavethe
 house without our permission. And we told her  at she could
 ave no contact Mona or yone else from  rir old crowd.
 ere was only  thing we al- ~wed her to  articipate in-
 youth group  our church. Naturally,  ste was fun At first,
 tad and I had monitor every she took. If left the house
 run an errand, would try to eak out. We Wouldn't trust her
 ~ne for five flutes.  Later, if any- I vindicated strict mea-
 we took, it Cassie's own  ognition of  ~w far she'd
 According Jamie, a friend met at private school,
 she said that  violent fan- es were more than talk. She had
 gripped by a very real power of kness, and it had taken her months
 teak free. Part of it was that she apparently given her soul to Sa-
 "I don't know whether it was or just symbolic," Jamie told me.
 in Cassie's mind, she had really  put herself in such bondage."
 Gradually, Brad and I began to realize where we'd failed Cassie
 as parents.  Whenever she was rebellious, we had tried harder to
 win her friendship. The more she acted out, the more we bent
 over backward for her. I began to see my role as a parent in
 a new way-as a mentor and confidant, rather than a buddy. I stopped
 trying to please Cassie and make her  like me, and I started trying
 to guide  her more consistently. And surprisingly, instead of
 rebelling, she accepted the boundaries I set for her and even
 seemed grateflil for them.

 In the spring of 1997, about three months after Cassie enrolled
 in Christian school, she told us that her new friend Jamie had
 invited her to a youth retreat. We were nervous about letting
 her go off on her own for an entire  weekend, but in the end we
 agreed. What happened  to Cassie on that  trip was the beginning
 of the change in her. According to Jamie, "We were up in the
 '(ockies, about  three hundred  kids. There was a  nighttime
 praise and-worship service. The theme of the weekend  was overcoming
 the temptations of evil and breaking out of the selfish life. It was
 the singing that for some reason brokedown Cassie's walls. It
 really seemed to change her."Cassie was crying," Jamie recalls.
 "She was  pouring out her heart and asking God for forgiveness.Shewas
 pouring out all these things she felt bad about and wanting to give
 them up." When Brad and I picked Cassie up after the trip, she
 hugged me. Then she looked me in the eye and said, "Mom, I've changed. I
 know you are not going to believe it,  but I'll prove it to you."
 I was highly skeptical. We were dealing with a child who had been
 filled with hate. Could she really change so quickly Contanued
 But from then on, Cassie truly did become a different person. She
 smiled  again and she began to treat us with genuine respect and
 affection. She seemed to have found a freedom she'd never had before
 In fact, she made so much progress that Brad and I allowed
 Cassie to transfer from the Christian school to Columbine at the end
 of the summer of 1997. Now we can only wonder, What if we hadn't?

 People say that nothing happens without a purpose-that perhaps Cassie
 was fulfilling a divine plan. At a certain level, I take comfort in such
 thoughts. They remind me that a life cut short need not be a wasted
 life On another level, though, I get weary of hearing about the lessons
 to be  learned. I want to blunt out, "But why did it have to be my
daughter?" No  matter how deep the significance of Cassie's death, I
 still feel the intense pain of her loss. It would be dishonest not to
 admit that I struggle with anger. Brad keeps saying that if there's one
thing that makes all of this bearable, it's the flict that Cassie's in
heaven. It's a comforting thought, but it doesn't lessen the
 pain of missing her.  There's also the question of revenge.
 It's normal, I think, to want to bite back-whether through flling,a
 lawsuit  or by other means. But in the case of Cassie's murderers,
 we could never go after their families. No amount of

 money is going to bring back our child. Besides, the parents of Eric
 Harris and Dylan Klebold lost children, too. It would be cruel to act
 as if their grief were any less than our own. Some say the Harrises
 and the Kie holds were negligent; others say they were merely distant
 or naive. Whether they're guilty or not, Brad and I can't
 just write them off: Especially not after receiving this card, which
appeared in our mailbox about a month after  Cassie's death:

 Dear Bernall family:
 It is with great dfficulty and humility
 that we write to express our profound sor-
 row over the loss of your beautfiul daughter,
 Gassie. She brought joy and love to the
 u'orld, and she was taken in a moment of
 madness. We wish we had had the oppor-
 tunity to know her and be uphfted by her
 loving spirit.

 We will never understand why this
 tragedy happened, or what we mgght have
 done to prevent it. We apologize for the
 role our son had in your Cassie's death.
 We never saw anger or hatred ii, Dylan
 until the last moments of his hfr when we
 watched in helpless horror with the rest of
 dze world~ The reality that our son shared
 in the responsibility for tlgis tragedy is still
 incredibly dffiwult to comprehend.
 May God comfort you and your loved
 ones. May He bring peace and understand-
 ing to all of our wounded hearts.
 Sincerely,
 Sue and Tom Klebold

 It must have taken the Klebolds great courage to write this letter. We
 can only share in their anguish. We atleast have one comfort: the
 knowledge that our daughter died nobly. What balm do they have?
 Within a day of the shooting, the story of Cassie's exchange with her
 killers made headlines across the nation. People began calling her the
 "martyr of Littleton." But even if Cassie's deathdaughter after her. Says
Jordan, one of Cassie's classmates, "An event like this should change us.
 If it doesn't, there's  something wrong.
 But reflecting on what happened is not easy. Why, I wonder, when par-
 ents and lawmakers are calling for gun control and an end to violence on
 TV, are our young crying out for relationships? Why, when we offer them
 psychologists and experts on conflict resolution, are they going to youth
 groups and looking for friends? Why, when we are assigning blame, are they
 talking about a change of heart? The more I think about it, the more
 certain I am that it's not the people we vote for, the organizations we
 join  or the particular belief we hold. It's a matter of choosing to
 extend a  hand, to follow a gut feeling, even when it requires stepping
 out of our  "comfort zone," as Cassie would say. It's a matter of being
 ready to  sacrifice all for love's sake not heroically, but consistently,
 in the  sniall everyday acts that make up a life. It is with this thought
that I am  able, ultimately, to see the loss of my daughter as not so much
 a defeat as  a victory. The pain is no less. It will always  remain deep
 and raw. Even  so, I know that her
 death was not a waste,  but a triumph of honesty and courage.  To me,
Cassie's life says that it  is better  to die for what you believe than
 to live a lie.

 END ARTICAL

 [TAKEN FROM: October 1999/Ladies' Home Journal]



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Subject: [13texan] Re: Zyklon B Gas
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 04:58:15 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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Savage wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1124
> Hi All!
> >
> > Savage wrote:
> >
> > philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1100
> > > Hi All!
> > >
> > > philnancy@aol.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Griffin wrote:
> > > >
> > > > philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> > > > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=10
79
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ....... Jew ,Stephen
> > > > > >Abrams took his car and ran over several innocent children,
> > killing
> > > > a 4
> > > > > >year
> > > > > >old girl and a 3 year old boy in Costa Mesa, California and
we
> > heard
> > > > a
> > > > > >little
> > > > > >bit about it...no screams for Car Control by the Clintonese
> > > > government or
> > > > > >the
> > > > > >Jewish Media yet you let a white man take an automatic weapon
> > into a
> > > > Jewish
> > > > > >school three months later and a few miles apart and wound 5
> > people
> > > > and you
> > > > > >are bombarded by the Jewish propaganda. I will conclude my
Zylon
> > B
> > > > posting
> > > > > >early next week and put more cracks in the foundation of you
> > alibis.
> > > > > >Michael Snead
> > > > > >14/88
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > So true, Michael....And white Christians should be informed
about
> > > > this "hate
> > > > > crime" committed by this Jew..
> > > >
> > > > I didn't think you moronic haters believed in hate crimes? I
also
> > see
> > > > you've further circumscribed your group to just white
Christians.
> > Mind
> > > > pointing out where Christ supports such a delineation?
> > >
> > > js
> > > Matthew 15:24
> > > "But he answered and said, I am not sent but
> > > unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel".
> >
> > Not physically lost, moron.
> >
> Ezek 37:21 "And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD;
> Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the
> heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on
> every side, and bring them into their own land:"

Still not physically lost, moron.

>
> Ezek 37:22 "And I will make them one nation in the land upon
> the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all:
> and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be
> divided into two kingdoms any more at all."

Yes, two Israeli nations.

>
> Ezek 37:23  "Neither shall they defile themselves any more with
> their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of
> their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their
> dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them:
> so shall they be my people, and I will be their God."

Sounds like he's talking to you!

>
> Uhoo..STUPID!....read the prophecy....It takes live
> flesh and blood people to fulfill it!....

Where's your evidence it's true?

>
>
>
>
> > >
> > > True Israel is white....whether you like it or not!
> >
> > Nope, just another loony lie from you Christian Identity fruitloops.
> >
> Only if you can Spiritualize Israel....and you can't do it!
> Ezekiel 37:15-24 says you don't stand a chance....

It says no such thing. Your racism is of your own invention, bigot.

>
>
>
> > >
> > >
> > > > Jesus reviles people like you and the hate you spew!
> > > >
> > >
> > > js
> > > Just where in the Bible does Jesus Christ say that?...
> >
> > Why does he have to say it?
> >
> js
> You said that he had to say it!...

No I didn't. Wrong again!
>
> STUPID little you used the word "reviles" ("Jesus
> reviles people like you...")....

He does.

>
> STUPID little you doesn't know the definition for revile!

Oh, but I do.

>
> (transitive senses : to subject to verbal abuse ...)
> (intransitive senses : to use abusive language...)

Hehehe. Better review!

>
> Now show me where he said it...good buddy!....or get back
> on the sofa and continue licking yourself....

He reviles you because you are a hater, one who probably hates himself.

Philip Mathews

>
> js
> --
> Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite
> a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew".
>
>                                        The 1980 Jewish Almanac

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Dr. William Pierce.......
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 05:02:19 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1125

> American Dissident Voices Broadcast of September 11, 1999
> Shuffling Toward the Slaughterhouse
> by Dr. William Pierce

Snead, Jew hater and bigot, apparently will endorse the views of anyone
who maligns Jews.

Here's a little information on Snead's latest soulmate.

 William L. Pierce and _The Turner Diaries_

_The Turner Diaries_, a novel written and published in 1978 by
William Pierce, leader of the neo-nazi National Alliance,
under the pseudonym "Andrew Macdonald," is a fictional account
of the activities of a racist, anti-Semitic underground which,
through a series of violent acts during the 1990s, gains power
in the U.S. and eventually the world. The book describes the
bombing of FBI headquarters in Washington, a mortar attack on
the Capital building, the destruction of public utilities and
communication systems, and the "liberation" of the nation
after atomic bombs have been dropped on several East Coast
cities.

The book then relates how this new regime, having secured
domestic victory, launches another nuclear attack - against
Tel Aviv. In the end, the U.S. population is reduced to 50
million "Aryans." Jews throughout the world are killed, in
accord with the vow of the narrator: "If the Organization
survives this contest, no Jew will - anywhere. Well [sic] go
to the utmost ends of the earth to hunt down the last of
Satan's spawn." In this vein, the book refers to Adolf Hitler
as "the Great One."

Author Pierce, who holds a Ph.D. in physics and is a former
college instructor in Oregon, has long held racist and
anti-Semitic views. In the 1960s he was assistant to George
Lincoln Rockwell, founder and head of the American Nazi Party.
In the 1980s he was the mentor of Robert Mathews, founder of
The Order, who used _The Turner Diaries_ as a blueprint for
the group's "revolutionary" criminal activities. Pierce also
heads a pseudo-religious entity, the anti-Semitic "Cosmotheist
Church" in West Virginia.

After the Oklahoma City bombing, Pierce acknowledged that
"someone may have read the book" (_The Turner Diaries_), which
he termed a possible "inspiration." He also predicted that
there would be further acts like this, but that what happended
in Oklahoma made little political sense because it was not
sustained. "One day," Pierce said, "there will be real,
organized terrorism - aimed at bringing down the government."

Pierce wrote another pro-Nazi novel, _Hunter_, whose hero
murders interracial couples, Jews and other minorities.
(Anti-Defamation League, 28)

                       Work Cited

Anti-Defamation League. [Special Report] Paranoia as Patriotism:
Far-Right Influences on the Militia Movement. 1995.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Dr. William Pierce.......
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:22:07 CDT
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>American Dissident Voices Broadcast of September 11, 1999
>Shuffling Toward the Slaughterhouse
>by Dr. William Pierce
>Last week we talked about some specific examples of the way in which the
>bosses of the controlled media deliberately give most Americans a
>severely distorted perception of what is happening in the world around
>them, of what is fashionable, and so on. In particular, I talked about
>the crooked way in which the media bosses report interracial crime. They
>heavily overemphasize any attacks on non-Whites by Whites and minimize
>or ignore attacks on Whites by non-Whites. They do this in order to
>create the false impression in the public's mind that most interracial
>crime is White on non-White, whereas in fact exactly the opposite is
>true. The reason the media bosses deliberately create this false
>impression in the public mind is to generate a sense of racial guilt in
>Whites, to keep them on the defensive in all matters relating to race,
>to keep them off balance and confused as the non-White assault on
>America continues through immigration and other means. The aim is to
>persuade White Americans to give up their freedom -- their freedom of
>speech, their freedom of association, their freedom to keep and bear
>arms for self-defense -- in order to relieve their sense of White
>guilt.....

Excellent post, Michael....Dr. Pierce really has his facts together, even
though he is not Identity....thanx for sharing his broadcast message with
us.....I, for one, would be interested in reading his messages every
week...I have a hard time picking him up on short wave at times.

Hail Jesus' Victory!
David

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Subject: [13texan] Re: National Alliance on the Holocaust...
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 05:46:42 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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Snead wrote:

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
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> New Studies Cast Doubt on "Holocaust" Claims
> Welcome to American Dissident Voices, the first uncensored patriotic
radio
> program. I'm Kevin Alfred Strom.
>

>
> A Terrible Tragedy for Many Nations
> World War II was an unparalleled tragedy. It is undoubtedly the
greatest and
> most destructive conflict in human history. At least 55 million souls
> perished in its infernos, most of them civilians. And that isn't even
> counting the millions who died as a result of starvation, forced
population
> transfers, mistreatment of POWs, and Communist takeovers after the
war was
> over. No one with any moral sense could ever want to minimize this
tragedy,
> or even any aspect of it. And I assure you that such is not my intent
in this
> program.
>
> But I must speak out when that great tragedy, and the loss of
millions upon
> millions of innocent lives, are being twisted and distorted for
political
> purposes and monetary gain; and when most of the suffering of that
terrible
> war is being ignored or minimized because of the single-minded agenda
of one
> particular group.
>
> The Numbers Game
> How many Americans died in World War II? Chances are you can't give
an answer
> to that question without reference to an almanac or encyclopedia.
When I ask
> that question to high school and college students all I usually get
are blank
> stares.
>
> More blank stares are the result when the questions are: How many
Russians
> died in World War II? How many Frenchmen? How many British? How many
Germans?
> How many Italians?
>
> But when the question is, "How many Jews died in World War II?" there
is
> hardly anyone who doesn't immediately have the figure "6 million" and
the
> word "Holocaust" on his lips. Why is it that we can't come up with
the most
> basic facts about the losses of any other people in that terrible war
- why
> is it that we don't even know how many Americans died - while the "6
million"
> figure for Jewish losses is drilled into our brains from elementary
school
> through college, and is repeated and emphasized again and again on
television
> and in the movies?

Simple, because those other proven historical events aren't questioned
by a fringe group of antisemitic haters, necessitating an ongoing
educational reponse to the lies told by people like Mr. Snead and the
neo-Nazis he got this silly article from.

>
> That's actually a very good question. For many years, scholars and
> researchers have been delving into the history of World War II, and
their
> research has cast a lot of doubt on the commonly accepted 6 million
figure
> for Jewish losses in that war.

Absolutley false, which is why you will note no evidence presented on
this point. This is a perfect example of why educational efforts are
necessary on an ongoing basis to rebut lies.

> Now undoubtedly you've heard Jewish spokesmen
> decrying this movement among historians and researchers to bring our
history
> books into closer accord with the facts.

THere is no such movement among historians and researchers, who nearly
universally agree on the basic details of the Holocaust. There is no
such thing as Jewish history or Jewish numbers for the Holocaust, there
is only historians views, and historians dismiss the fringe kooks who
attempt to deny established fact by mouthing outright lies such as this.

 >This movement is usually called
> "revisionism," because of the belief of its adherents that the
history of
> wars is usually written by the victors, and the victors often have a
lot of
> reasons for lying: covering up their own atrocities, and justifying
extreme
> actions taken against those they wish to paint as "evil."

False again. Revisionism is performed by historians on an ongoing
basis. The movement the author is describing is Holocaust Denial, which
is an anti-intellectual movement, driven by antisemitism, and with no
intellectual standing. By the way, victors in war are no more likely to
lie about history than losers, and nations don't write history,
individual historians do.

>
> But what these Jewish spokesmen haven't told you is that it isn't
only
> Revisionists who have questioned the six million figure. Even
establishment
> historians and even official Jewish "Holocaust" historians have been
forced
> by new studies and documents to drastically revise that figure
downward.

False. A mere statement with no supporting evidence. Surprising that,
eh.

 But
> you, lowly citizen, haven't been told. Although in scholarly
publications it
> is now admitted that many of the original claims about Jewish losses
during
> World War II were exaggerations or fabrications; the American people
aren't
> deemed worthy of knowing this. For the hoi polloi, the Six Million
figure is
> still given, and claims long ago discredited to nearly all historians
of
> every background and political persuasion, such as the claim that
there were
> gas chambers for killing Jews on German soil, are still paraded as
the truth
> in endless books, plays, films, and television programs. Let's take a
look at
> some of these figures that are generally kept out of public view.

>
> United Press International carried a story on March 26, 1992 that was
carried
> in a few newspapers, usually just a few square inches on a corner of
an
> inside page. The story deals with deaths at the German wartime
concentration
> camp Auschwitz, which has long been alleged to be the lynchpin of the
> "Holocaust," where 4 million of the alleged 6 million deaths
occurred,
> supposedly by gassing of Jewish inmates. Let me quote from this
article:

>
> "Warsaw, Poland (UPI) - Newly released documents confirm that 1.5
million
> victims died at the Nazi concentration camp of Auschwitz-Birkenau
during
> World War II, not 4 million - as claimed by the former Soviet Union -
Jewish
> and Polish officials said yesterday. Wladyslaw Bartoszewski, a member
of the
> Council for Dialogue between Poles and Jews, said the official
account of the
> number of victims was reduced following verification of archives
recently
> returned by Soviet authorities to Poland. Polish communist
authorities used
> the 4 million figure because it was established by a postwar Soviet
> commission on Nazi crimes."
>
> 2.5 million that were presumed dead actually survived! This is really
> astounding news, and good news I should think from almost anyone's
point of
> view. Even Jewish authorities on the period concur with this
reduction in the
> death tolls. But why aren't we told in our textbooks and on our
televisions
> that we must now reduce the "official" six million to 3.5 million?
Why
> indeed?

First of all, historians have estimated the Jewish death toll at
Auschwitz to be around the 1 million number for close to half a
century. The fact that the Soviets, for political purposes, which to
keep the 4 million figure which was their original erroneous estimate,
has nothing to do with historians, who's research efforts over the
years uncovered excellent documentary evidence, including the transport
records of the number of Jews shipped into Auschwitz. With the fall of
the Soviet Empire, the officials in Poland were finally able to
announce what the profession of historians had long none, and what had
been published in numerous historical studies for decades.

Second, the total numbers of Holocaust dead has nothing to do with the
estimated numbers from each camp.  While  the latter are based on
whatever data can be found on the particular camp, such as the
mentioned transport documents, the total figure for the Holocaust is
based on European population data studies. This is because the
extermination camps only accounted for roughly half of the Jews killed.
The mobile killing squads (Einsatzgruppen) killed over a million Jews
in eastern Europe, and millions more died in the ghettos, in
concentration camps, and in the forced marches at the end of the war.
In other words, the 6 million total was never based on 4 million at
Auschwitz.

>
> In fact, the situation is even more amazing. The establishment
holocaust
> historian Reitlinger has been forced by recent revelations to revise
his
> estimate of Auschwitz deaths from 4 million down to 600,000.

This is a lie. Reitlinger's estimate is 900,000, and was first
published in 1953, 46 years ago!

 And when the
> collapsing Soviet Union recently released the captured German records
for
> Auschwitz for 1942 and 1943 (when the alleged extermination program
was
> supposed to be in full swing) to the Red Cross, which meticulously
recorded
> the deaths of inmates, the total was found to be only 70,000, and
that was
> for all causes and for all inmates, not just Jewish ones.

No one meticulously recorded the deaths, so the allegation about these
records is false.

 Why hasn't this
> been prominently featured in the media? Why does the now-discredited
6
> million figure still rule there?

Because, as we've seen it has not been discredited.

>
> Another largely hidden fact is the retreat of the Holocaust claimants
from
> their original position on concentration camps on German soil.
Initially
> after the war it was claimed that such camps, such as the camp at
Dachau, had
> been used for execution by gas of hundreds of thousands of Jewish
inmates.
> After the war, a simulated "gas chamber" was constructed and a plaque
erected
> to honor its victims. When they were exposed as frauds, and even the
Jewish
> Holocaust historians have admitted they were frauds, the plaque was
removed
> and the claims were quietly withdrawn.

No such simulated gas chamber, with plaque, was ever erected, this is a
lie. Scholarship of the last couple of decades indicates that a gas
chamber was built at Dachau in the final year of the war, and may have
been used on an experimental basis.

 In fact, they now admit that none of
> the concentration camps on German soil during World War II were used
for any
> purpose of extermination of anybody, any more than were the
concentration
> camps set up on American soil by the Roosevelt government for the
internment
> of Japanese.

Again, this is false. A number of camps on German soil had gas chambers
were a few thousand people died. Of course this is irrelevant to the
existence of the massive killing machines in Poland!

 >But this admission is ignored in the popular media. The
> "Holocaust" claims are now restricted to camps in Poland.

No they aren't.  Gassing did occur in German camps, and the Holocaust
is not limited to gassing. Hundreds of thousands of Jews were killed in
German concentration camps by shooting, starvation, and medical
neglect. The Holocaust also included the Einsatzgruppen murders of over
a million in Eastern Europe. This statement is not only false on the
face of it, it demonstrates an ignorance of the dimensions of the
Holocaust.

 >When a
> media-conditioned American hears the word "Dachau," he immediately
thinks
> "Death Camp." And no effort is made by our largely Jewish media
executives to
> correct this misinformation for which they are largely responsible.

It was a death camp for the many who died there, whether its sole
purpose was that or not.

>
> Now no responsible person denies that hundreds of thousands of
persons, both
> inmates and staff, died in these concentration camps. Let me read to
you from
> the official report of the International Committee of the Red Cross
on the
> subject, as printed in the book Did Six Million Really Die?

 "Did Six Million Really Die" is not a book, but a silly little
pamphlet which has long been exposed as a lie.

>
> "One of the most important aspects of the Red Cross report is that it
> clarifies the true cause of those deaths that undoubtedly occurred in
the
> camps towards the end of the war. Says the report: 'In the chaotic
condition
> of Germany after the invasion [that is the invasion of Europe by
American and
> Soviet forces] during the final months of the war, the camps received
no food
> supplies at all and starvation claimed an increasing number of
victims.

Note that the author attempts to define the period of time as after the
invasion of Europe, but betrays himself in the next line where it is
explained as the final months of the war. This happens to be a
fabricated Red Cross report, but even if true, it should be noted that
the vast majority of the 6 million murdered Jews were already dead long
before the final months of the war. Any problems with shipping food
supplies,( sustantial food stores were discovered near most of the
German soil camps at liberation) involved a few thousand prisoners at
the very end of the war.

>
> Another fact which hasn't been revealed in the mainstream media is
the recent
> trip to Auschwitz by Jewish researcher David Cole, who interviewed
the
> curator of the Auschwitz museum, Dr. Francsizek Piper, who openly
admitted
> that the alleged "gas chamber" at Auschwitz had been constructed
after the
> war!

This is an outright lie. Dr. Pipe explained to Cole what historians
have always known. One of the gas chambers, Krema I at Auschwitz main
camp, was  converted from a gas chamber to an air raid shelter during
the war. After the war it was returned to the state of a gas chamber,
by removing some interior walls and re-opening the holes where the
Zyklon B had been dispensed.

>
> You also haven't been told about the research conducted by gas
chamber design
> engineer and expert Fred Leuchter, who travelled to Auschwitz and
took
> samples of the walls of the alleged gas chambers, analysis of which
along
> with studies of the building itself led Mr. Leuchter to the
conclusion that
> no gassings had ever, or in fact could ever have been conducted
there.

We've already seen Mr. Snead present some of Leuchter's findings, which
are fraudulent and were shown to be so, without response from Snead.

So much for an old, recycled collection of lies about the Holocaust. It
always surprises me these deniers can't come up with better, or at
least newer lies to tell.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Columbine High and Hate Crime
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:59:02 CDT
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>     I have heard so much about Hate Crimes that it makes me sick,  yet
>every
>opportunity the media has that is convenient they will use this term. I
>believe that if you murder anyone, regardless of skin color or religion you
>should do time and in some cases the perpetrator should get the death
>penalty.
>Michael Snead
>
>
>
>THE JEWISH BACKGROUND OF COLORADO KILLER
>
>Mother of one killer grew up in Bexley
>
>April 23, 1999
>
>By Dean Narciso and Kevin Kidder
>Dispatch Police Reporters
>
>The mother of one of the boys responsible for the bloody
>rampage that killed 15 in Colorado grew up in Bexley.
>
>Susan Klebold, 50, is the mother of Dylan Klebold, 17, one of two
>students of Columbine High School who opened fire on fellow
>students Tuesday. She grew up in Bexley as Susan Yassenoff.
>
>Judy Feiertag lived next door to Susan Yassenoff and baby-sat
>her and her brother and sister. The Yassenoffs lived on S.
>Roosevelt Ave.
>
>When Feiertag learned that her next-door neighbor from decades
>ago was Dylan Klebold's mother, she was stunned, she said.
>"My legs absolutely buckled. I got shivers."
>
>"I was just shocked. I was sickened when I saw this on the news,
>but it makes it that much worse when you realize an acquaintance
>of yours was involved,'' Feiertag said last night.
>
>Susan Klebold is the granddaughter of Leo Yassenoff, a
>philanthropist in the Columbus Jewish community and donor
>to the Leo Yassenoff Jewish Community Center of Columbus,
>1125 College Ave., which bears his name.......

The attack on those students in Colorado was nothing less than an attack
orchestated by anti-Christ Jews on Christians.....The sooner Christians
realize that Jews are only children of Satan, which must be removed from
every area of Christian society, only then will they truly enjoy peace.

Hail Jesus' Victory!
David

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Subject: [13texan] Becker Gas Van Letter - Nazi Documents on Mass Murder
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:11:58 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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Letter from Dr August Becker to SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Rauff, 16 May
1942
[Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression - Washington, U.S Govt. Print.
Off., 1946, Vol III, p. 418]
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I ordered the vans of group D to be camouflaged as house trailers by
putting one set of window shutters on each side of the small van and
two on each side of the large vans, such as one often sees on farm
houses in the country. The vans became so well known, that not only
the authorities but also the civilian population called the van "death
van", as soon as one of these vehicles appeared. It is my opinion the
van cannot be kept secret for any length of time, not even
camouflaged...

Besides that, I ordered that during application of gas all the men
were to be kept as far away from the vans as possible, so they should
not suffer damage to their health by the gas which eventually would
escape. I should like to take this opportunity to bring the following
to your attention: several commands have had the unloading after the
application of gas done by their own men. I brought to the attention
of those S.K [Special Kommando] concerned the immense psychological
injuries and damages involved to their health that this work can have
for those men, even if not immediately, at least later on. The men
complained to me about head-aches which appeared after each unloading.
Nevertheless they don't want to change the orders, because they are
afraid prisoners called for that work could use an opportune moment to
flee. To protect the men from these damages, I request orders to be
issued accordingly.

The application of the gas is not undertaken correctly. In order to
come to an end as fast as possible, the driver presses the accelerator
to the fullest extent. By doing that the persons to be executed suffer
death from suffocation and not death by dozing off as was planned. My
directions have now proved that by correct adjustment of the levers
death comes faster and the prisoners fall asleep peacefully. Distorted
faces and excretions, such as could be seen before, are no longer
noticed.

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Subject: [13texan] SS Schluch on Belzec - Nazi Testimony on Mass Murder
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:13:31 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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Testimony of SS-Unterscharfuehrer Schluch, In the Belzec-Oberhauser
trial:
[Quoted in "BELZEC, SOBIBOR, TREBLINKA - the Operation Reinhard
Death Camps", Indiana University Press - Yitzhak Arad, 1987, p. 70-71].
---------------------------------------------------------------
After leaving the undressing barracks, I had to show the Jews the
way to the gas chambers. I believe that when I showed the Jews
the way they were convinced that they were really going to
the baths. After the Jews entered the gas chambers, the doors
were closed by Hackenholt himself or by the Ukrainians
subordinated to him. Then Hackenholt switched on the engine
which supplied the gas...

I could see that the lips and tips of the noses were a bluish
color. Some of them had their closed, other's eyes rolled. The
bodies were dragged out of the gas chambers and inspected by a
dentist, who removed finger rings and gold teeth...

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Psssst, Herb, over here.........
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:17:21 -0700
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SNEADSTER@aol.com wrote:

>     Herb, Did I not tell you that I would finish up early next week?  Not
> that it matters to me how your mannerisms are and regardless of your
> requests. The completion of the Zylon B will be sometime early next week.

Fair enough. I've got lots of time.

> Herb, The perpetual lies of the holohoax deniers have been rampant my entire

I understand you claim there are "perpetual lies," Michael, but you seem
reluctant to discuss them - beyond blanket assertions. I don't understand that,
but perhaps you will deal with it after you are finished with zyklon-b.

> life. If something so perplexing actually happened the Jews would not refrain
> from some kind of objectivity in research.  The researchers know that if they
> tell the real truth they will lose their job, credibility, freedom and a life
> time of provocation. You are in Holohoax denial and your fears are that when

Which researchers know that "if they tell the real truth they will lose their
jobs," Michael? Would this include the Polish archeologists who have been
investigating the site of the former deathcamp at Belzec - their report (what
I've seen of it) seems pretty darned thorough.

> more and more people start questioning the "Jewish sympathy syndrome" your
> race (No Celtic would defend the holocaust) will be laughed at. Most

"Defend the Holocaust?" I don't defend it, Michael - it is quite beyond defence,
other than from assorted nazi riff-raff here and there. I simply want to defend
the historical record. I'm more than willing to discuss things you think are
wrong, but so far, you've been reluctant to present anything at all other than
the most generalized statements... that isn't how things work around
historiolgraphy, Michael.

For instance, you have claimed that all the witnesseses at Nuremberg were
tortured. Yet, when asked for some evidence of this, you produce nothing.

You have claimed that the Nuremberg transccripts were "published by liars," but
when asked for some evidence of this, you produce nothing.

I understand that you wish me to understand that you believe these things -
that's your right, of course. But if you want to throw such phrases and claims
around in public, then you should be happy to back them up with FACTS. I don't
know why you don't do that, although all of my study suggests you don't do it
because you can't do it... prove me wrong - show me the evidence, Michael. Show
me the BEEF.

> Americans do not trust the media and their objectivity so when the shift
> comes it will be world wide. If you are the Christian that you say you are
> even you know that in Revelations Israel is destroyed. Have you been baptized
> in the Name of Jesus Christ as it says in Acts 2:38?  Or the Roman baptism in
> the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost( Matt.28:19)?

I never told you I was a Christian, Michael. I did tell you I was not Jewish,
however. Do you always divide your world into such limited reality sets? Frankly,
religion is one of those things I never discuss - with anyone. What one believes
or does not believe is not relevant to the study of history - only the EVIDENCE
matters, Michael.

Now, if some folks are comfortable chatting about their personal beliefs, that's
ok by me - you can talk about your religious beliefs until the cows come home,
and I won't care one way or the other.

History, however, doesn't depend upon what path people choose with respect to
spiritual belief.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: National Alliance on the Holocaust...
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:04:14 -0700
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SNEADSTER@aol.com wrote:

> (... National Alliance article ...)
>
> But what these Jewish spokesmen haven't told you is that it isn't only
> Revisionists who have questioned the six million figure. Even establishment
> historians and even official Jewish "Holocaust" historians have been forced
> by new studies and documents to drastically revise that figure downward. But
> you, lowly citizen, haven't been told. Although in scholarly publications it
> is now admitted that many of the original claims about Jewish losses during
> World War II were exaggerations or fabrications; the American people aren't
> deemed worthy of knowing this. For the hoi polloi, the Six Million figure is
> still given, and claims long ago discredited to nearly all historians of
> every background and political persuasion, such as the claim that there were
> gas chambers for killing Jews on German soil, are still paraded as the truth
> in endless books, plays, films, and television programs. Let's take a look at
> some of these figures that are generally kept out of public view.
>

Actually, Michael, the interesting thing is that historians have never stopped
"questioning the figures," because that is the nature of the study of history.
Duh. However, Pierce's claim that "historians have been forced by new studies and
documents to drastically revise that figure downward" is false upon its face. The
estimate of the number of Jewish deaths during the Holocaust has never been based
upon the (Communist) estimates of Jewish deaths at Auschwitz, Far from being
"forced" to reduce the Auschwitz figure, a phrase crafted to make it seem as if
someone actually listened to Holocaust deniers with respect to such things, the
figure was reduced almost immediately upon the fall of Communist Poland.

There were, by the way, gas chambers for killing *people* on German soil. Dachau
had one, although it appears only to have been used experimentally, and Mauthausen
had one, as did Hadamar Castle. Strange that Pierce wouldn't mention that, don't
you think, Michael?

> "Warsaw, Poland (UPI) - Newly released documents confirm that 1.5 million
> victims died at the Nazi concentration camp of Auschwitz-Birkenau during
> World War II, not 4 million - as claimed by the former Soviet Union - Jewish
> and Polish officials said yesterday. Wladyslaw Bartoszewski, a member of the
> Council for Dialogue between Poles and Jews, said the official account of the
> number of victims was reduced following verification of archives recently
> returned by Soviet authorities to Poland. Polish communist authorities used
> the 4 million figure because it was established by a postwar Soviet
> commission on Nazi crimes."
>
> 2.5 million that were presumed dead actually survived! This is really

Oops! Where does the article Pierce quotes say that 4 million JEWS were believed
to have been murdered there, Michael? Nowhere. Read it, Michael - go ahead. Tell
me EXACTLY where the article claims that 4 million Jews died there. Take all the
time in the world.....

You see the problem I have with Dr. Pierce and his misrepresentations, Michael? He
must be a magician! The Communists make a claim, based upon the cremation
capabilities at Birkenau (which were incorrect, although the Nazis did not know it
at the time), that 4 million VICTIMS died there. They did this because they did
not want to emphasize the number of JEWISH deaths as opposed to the number of
POLISH deaths, Michael. As Dr. Piper, the author of the book discussing the
changes in the estimated toll at Auschwitz-Birkenau has written (I guess Dr.
Pierce doesn't read history books - that's a pretty safe assumption, given the
silly things he's saying here...), the estimate of JEWISH victims of Auschwitz has
NEVER changed - you see, Michael, 1.2 million of the Soviet's 4 million estimate
were known to have been JEWISH. Isn't it wierd that Pierce hasn't told you that?

>  Even Jewish authorities on the period concur with this reduction in the
> death tolls. But why aren't we told in our textbooks and on our televisions
> that we must now reduce the "official" six million to 3.5 million? Why
> indeed?

Straw man, Michael. Why hasn't Dr. Pierce told YOU that the "official" six million
figure never included the Auschwitz estimates? Is there some reason Pierce doesn't
mention that, Michael? Can you think of one?

I've read several history books which discuss the origins of the "6 million"
figure, Michael... and you know what? Not ONE of them mentions that their
estimates include the "4 million" Soviet estimate regarding Auschwitz. That's why
I don't think Pierce reads history books - if he did, why, he would know this too,
wouldn't he, Michael?

> In fact, the situation is even more amazing. The establishment holocaust
> historian Reitlinger has been forced by recent revelations to revise his
> estimate of Auschwitz deaths from 4 million down to 600,000. And when the

Pierce keeps switching horses in mid-stream, Michael. First it's Jewish deaths,
then it's "Auschwitz deaths." Smoke and mirrors... however, he does mention
Reilinger, but he doesn't tell us which book, or which page, to turn to to verify
the fiugre cited, so we can't see what Reitlinger really said... given Pierce''s
smoke and mirror show with the AP article cited earlier, I think it's wise to
assume that we should check Pierce's references first.

> collapsing Soviet Union recently released the captured German records for
> Auschwitz for 1942 and 1943 (when the alleged extermination program was
> supposed to be in full swing) to the Red Cross, which meticulously recorded
> the deaths of inmates, the total was found to be only 70,000, and that was
> for all causes and for all inmates, not just Jewish ones. Why hasn't this
> been prominently featured in the media? Why does the now-discredited 6
> million figure still rule there?

This is really interesting, Michael, because what the Soviet Archives made
available to the world was not quite what Dr. Pierce says it was... do you begin
to see a pattern here, Michael?

What the Soviets released was *some* of the Auschwitz registers... deniers call
them "death books," but that isn't quite accurate. They were accounts of prisoners
who were registered and tattoed upon arrival at Auschwitz... there were 405,000 of
them, Michael, and rouglhy 65,000 of them survived. What Pierce hasn't told us
(because he hasn't a clue - go ahead and ask him, and get back to me, won't you?)
is what period the material released covered, and how many such registers there
were. Why do you think Pierce hasn't told us that, Michael?

You know what, Michael? The prisoners who were NOT registered and tattoed upon
arrival were gassed immediately. Any history book will confirm that... after all,
why bother to write down someone's name if you're about to murder them and burn
the body? So, as we have seen, Pierce has lied to us once again.... he's not doing
well, Michael.

> Another largely hidden fact is the retreat of the Holocaust claimants from
> their original position on concentration camps on German soil. Initially
> after the war it was claimed that such camps, such as the camp at Dachau, had
> been used for execution by gas of hundreds of thousands of Jewish inmates.
> After the war, a simulated "gas chamber" was constructed and a plaque erected
> to honor its victims. When they were exposed as frauds, and even the Jewish
> Holocaust historians have admitted they were frauds, the plaque was removed
> and the claims were quietly withdrawn. In fact, they now admit that none of
> the concentration camps on German soil during World War II were used for any
> purpose of extermination of anybody, any more than were the concentration
> camps set up on American soil by the Roosevelt government for the internment
> of Japanese. But this admission is ignored in the popular media. The
> "Holocaust" claims are now restricted to camps in Poland. When a
> media-conditioned American hears the word "Dachau," he immediately thinks
> "Death Camp." And no effort is made by our largely Jewish media executives to
> correct this misinformation for which they are largely responsible.
>

Gee - the German government *still* says there was a gas chamber at Dachau, but
they don't say "hundreds of thousands of Jewish inmates" were murdered in them.
Nor have any historians that I know of. What they *do* tell us is that the gas
chamber there was used experimentally.  The gas chamber that's there wasn't
constructed after the war, either, Michael - I can't imagine why Pierce tells us
it was. There's a picture of that gas chamber on nizkor somewhere - it shows an
American GI standing next to it.... on lthe day of liberation.... if it was
"constructed after the war," it was sure one hell of a fast job, since it was
there the day the Germans surrendered there.

> Now no responsible person denies that hundreds of thousands of persons, both
> inmates and staff, died in these concentration camps. Let me read to you from
> the official report of the International Committee of the Red Cross on the
> subject, as printed in the book Did Six Million Really Die?

The International Red Cross never issued such a report, according to a letter they
sent to a Canadian woman a few years ago. Why do you suppose Verall (the British
nazi that wrote "Did 6 million Really Die?" claimed that they did? Hey, don't take
my word for it, Michael - write to the ICRC yourself and ask them.

> "One of the most important aspects of the Red Cross report is that it
> clarifies the true cause of those deaths that undoubtedly occurred in the
> camps towards the end of the war. Says the report: 'In the chaotic condition
> of Germany after the invasion [that is the invasion of Europe by American and
> Soviet forces] during the final months of the war, the camps received no food
> supplies at all and starvation claimed an increasing number of victims.

I love it when the nazis drag this old canard out of the woodwork.... have you
ever seen the films taken at the liberation of the camps, Michael? I have. Nizkor
has the British footage from Bergen-Belsen... and the Russians took a lot of film
at Auschwitz - it's available on video, Michael. Take a look at these films, and
notice how fat and healthy the German military and civilian personnel are, and
compare them with the inmates.... then ask youself about the paragraph above
(which, as I've said, certainly didn't come from the ICRC).

Did you know, for instance, Michael, that the British found an SS warehouse within
10 clicks of Belsen? It had TONS of foodstuffs, Michael. (Pull the other leg, Dr.
Pierce - must be someone out there stupid enough to believe you...)

> Another fact which hasn't been revealed in the mainstream media is the recent
> trip to Auschwitz by Jewish researcher David Cole, who interviewed the
> curator of the Auschwitz museum, Dr. Francsizek Piper, who openly admitted
> that the alleged "gas chamber" at Auschwitz had been constructed after the
> war!

That's interesting... I have the Cole tape here -- they've been talking about it
on the net lately - and I have watched the interview with Piper 4 or 5 times in
the last day or so. Dr. Piper does *not* say what Piece claims he said (David Duke
apparently made the same silly claim in his book). What I don't understand about
this is why anyone would make a claim which is so darned easy to disprove? I mean,
does David Duke - does Willie Pierce - does he think you are too stupid to watch
this tape and see the truth for yourself? That's really a revealing fact about
these people, wouldn't you say, Michael?

Have YOU watched the interview? (I didn't think so.)

> You also haven't been told about the research conducted by gas chamber design
> engineer and expert Fred Leuchter, who travelled to Auschwitz and took
> samples of the walls of the alleged gas chambers, analysis of which along
> with studies of the building itself led Mr. Leuchter to the conclusion that
> no gassings had ever, or in fact could ever have been conducted there.

Mr. Leuchter's report has been shot down six wasy to sunday, Michael, as we've
already discussed. He's been so thoroughly discredited that it would be unkind to
spend any more time on him, but I'll once again refer you to
http://www.observer.com/pages/frontpage4.htm, where his most recent humiliation
can be found. I guess Dr. Pierce hasn't read it yet...... oh, yeh, then there's
that Polish forensics report - two of them, actually - done by real scientists,
Michael... see nizkor for that one, and get back to me.

> A Memorial for Those With Money and Power
> So now we have a "Holocaust Memorial Museum" funded to the tune of many
> millions by the American taxpayer. I would have no objection to such a museum

There he goes again, Michael! The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum was
built with - are you ready, Michael? - privately donated funds! Why didn't Pierce
tell you that?

> if its purpose were to honor the innocent dead who died in World War II on
> both sides of that conflict. And no one doubts the reality of those that
> really did die in the concentration camps in that war. But this museum
> continues the one-sided propaganda line that only one group's suffering
> really mattered. It continues the now-discredited claim of six million deaths
> by gassing of Jewish inmates, figures which even official scholarly Jewish

Michael, you want a challenge? Contact Dr. Piece, and ask him for one single
historical reference wherein a historian claims that six million Jews were gassed.
Would you do that for me, Michael? You see, Michael, no one, to my knowledge, has
EVER made such a stupid claim.... except Dr. Pierce.... can you spell "red
herring," Michael? I thought you could....

I think I'll stop here, Michael... I've shown you that Pierce's article has more
holes than a pound of Swiss cheese, and I've suggested that you check this out
yourself - write to the Red Cross, ask Pierce for proof that someone besides
deniers claims 6 million Jews were gassed, you know, Michael, stuff like that....
let me know what Pierce has to say for himself, won't you?

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Dr. William Pierce.......
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:10:16 -0700
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David Griffin wrote:

> Excellent post, Michael....Dr. Pierce really has his facts together, even
> though he is not Identity....thanx for sharing his broadcast message with
> us.....I, for one, would be interested in reading his messages every
> week...I have a hard time picking him up on short wave at times.
>

Actually, what we have seen is that Dr. Pierce didn't HAVE any facts.

1. The newspaper article which he cited did not, as he claimed, say that anyone
had ever claimed that 4 million Jews were murdered at Auschwitz.

2. Dr. Pierce failed to cite a single historian - anywhere in the entire world
- who included a figure of 4 million Jewish dead at Auschwitz as a part of his
estimate of the total Jewish dead.

3. Dr. Pierce cited Verall, who cited a non-existend letter from the ICRC -
write to the ICRC yourself to confirm this.

4. Dr. Pierce cited Leuchter, one of the all time losers of the denial set (and
that's really saying something).

5. Dr. Pierce says there were no homocidal gas chambers in Germany. Germany
says there were. Historians say there were. Duh. (Dachau, Mauthausen, Hadamar
Castle, etc. ad nauseum)

The only "fact" I could find in the document was that Dr. Pierce routinely
misrepresented printed material or simply lied outright. That's a fact.

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Subject: [13texan] Zyklon B -1 repost
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:05:22 EDT
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    During a criminal trial, scientific evidence is the most powerful,
because it can be validated objectively and proven scientifically. There is
no scientific evidence indicating mass gassings at Auschwitz or any other
German concentration camp. The United States Army had toxicology experts do
autopsies on hundreds of dead in the Nazi concentration camps. Human remains
can show signs of cyanide poisoning for years. no scientific evidence existed
that even one of the victims were gassed to death. Nor do records of
autopsies by Russian doctors in Eastern European camps show any evidence of
gassing.
    Although autopsies had been performed, the results were not presented at
Nuremberg. Why? It would not have served fruitful for the prosecution because
none of the deaths could be blamed on poison gas. In every murder trial the
prosecution is to show the cause of death. In the most publicized murder
trial ever, the proof of the cause of death is conspicuously absent. If the
Nazis had really gassed people by the millions, would not the prosecution
have produced at least one autopsy proving the cause of death to be poisoning
by the cyanide produced by Zyklon B?
    Holocaust gurus purport that one "proof" of the gassing of human beings
is the great quantity of Zyklon B used at Auschwitz during the war.
Attempting to rebut revisionist questioning of gas chambers, Jean Claude
Pressac, a French chemist, in his book Auschwitz: Techniques and Operation of
the Gas Chambers,supplies data showing the large consumption of Zylon B at
Auschwitz. A logical explanation is that the Germans used the chemical in an
effort to control the epidemics that ravaged the camps.
    The data published by Pressac himself shows that the per capita of Zyklon
B used in the Auschwitz concentration camp was similar to Zylon B consumption
in the German camps such as Oranienburg, where the experts admit that no
human gassing took place. If Auschwitz was the great center of extermination,
and if Zylon B was the poison used, how could it be that the records of the
chemical's purchase
and usage show no greater consumption at Auschwitz than at the concentration
camps where Zylon B was used strictly for the infestation and where there
were no alleged gassings? Pressac also inadvertently revealed  that the coke
consumption was no greater per capita in Auschwitz than the camps in Germany
where extermination is not alleged.
    In 1988, the Canadian government charged Holocaust questioner Ernst
Zundel with violating an archaic law against "spreading false news." Defense
attorneys in this criminal case commissioned an American engineering
consultant on prison gas chambers, Fred Leuchter, to make a scientific
examination of the homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz. Leuchter, apolitical
person, is perhaps the premier authority in the United States on the
construction and use of execution equipment, and he was actually in charge of
the design and construction of execution facilities used in a number of
American prisons.
    In his investigation, Leuchter surveyed the construction of the alleged
gas chambers and researched the chemical properties of the Zylon B  fumigant.
He found that Zylon B is a compound that, when exposed to air, releases
deadly potassium cyanide gas. It clings to surfaces and has the tendencies to
react chemically with materials containing iron (ferric compounds), creating
a ferricyanide. If Zylon B is used in iron chambers or in red brick
structures, it reacts wit ferrous (iron) material to produce a distinctive
blue color. The printing ink industry has used these chemical reactions for
decades to produce a distinctive color called Prussian Blue. Random House
Webster's Electronic Dictionary, 1992 edition. defines it as follows:
Prussian Blue n 1. a moderate to deep greenish blue.  2. a dark blue,
crystalline, water-insoluable ferricyanide pigment, used in painting fabric
printing and laundry bluing.
    Not only did Leuchter find that the supposed homicidal gas chambers at
Auschwitz were structurally unsuitable for gassing, he also took samples from
the walls and had them chemically analyzed. Independent laboratories in the
United Statesfound no evidence of ferricyanide compounds. Yet, when Leuchter
examined the rooms used as disinfestation chambers for clothes and luggage,
he readily observed the distictive blue coloring associated with
ferricyanide. After further chemical analysis of the samples, he proved that
the disinfection walls had heavy concentrations of the ferricyanide caused by
exposer to cyanide.
    Leuchter also pointed out that the disinfestation chambers used for
delousing clothes were well made, airtight, and designed for safety. On the
other hand, the supposed human gas chambers were shoddily constructed. He ask
why gas chambers for killing lice would be properly engineered, whereas
chambers allegedly for killing millions of people would be improperly
engineered and constructed- and dangerous for its alleged operators.
    A year after the Leuchter controversial finding, the Auschwitz Museum
itself duplicated the tests and arrived to the same conclusion and their
feeble explanation is for the lack of ferricyanide in the supposed chambers
is that "it somehow dissipated" in the disinfestation chambers. Yet they
offer no explanation for why the dissipation hadn't happened in the delicing
chambers.

        To Be Continued..........


x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x

     John Demjanjuka naturalized American working  as an autoworker from
Eastern Europe was accused of being Ivan the Terrible a guard at Treblinka
accused of killing hundreds. The eye witnesses came forward in droves,  all
pointing their wicked fingers, crying and cursing this man. The stories that
were told that this evil man did were unbelievable. There were pictures and
documents that the KGB(Soviet, Jewish controlled) provided and it looked
bleak for the autoworker. The documents provided for the trial by the KGB
along with the pictures ended up being forgeries.  The Israeli Supreme Court
had to agree that even the eyewitness accounts weren't credible.
Michael Snead
14/88
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Subject: [13texan] Zyklon B - 2
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:05:36 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
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In the last post of Zyklon B I told of the very familiar story of Fred
Leuchter and how he was hired by the defense to make scientific examinations
of the alleged  homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz. Once his findings were
published  Holocaust authorities reacted predictably.....like Phil and
Herb....Leuchter became  a victim of an an intense campaign to discredit him
and ruin him financially. He suffered defamation, suppression, intimidation
and imprisonment for telling the truth.
    Jewish groups wrote defamatory letters to all of his state penitentiary
clients urging them to cancel his contracts. They were able to get
authorities in Massachusetts, his home state, to prosecute him, in spite of
his obvious expertise and his patents, under a cabalistic statue of
practicing engineering without a license.
    In November of 1991, Leuchter had a lecture in Weisshiem, reporting his
technical findings and the German government imprisoned him for six weeks.
Gunter Deckert, a former educator with a clean record was sentenced to one
years probation for merely translating and commenting on the lecture by Fred
Leuchter.
Because the two judges didn't want to sentence Deckert to harshly because he
was a graduate from Heidelberg University with distinction in law and was of
high moral character, the international, Jewish controlled media intimidated
the judges and tried to get them to overturn their sentence.
    The German minister of justice, Frau Saline
Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger, suspended the two judges, putting them on sick
leave and called their verdict a slap in the face for every victim of the
holocaust. Hans Klien (a Jew), prosecutor for Mannhiem appealed the verdict
and gave Deckert a two year jail sentence. Klien also promised to go over the
wording of the verdict in search of anything that might be grounds for
prosecuting the two judges. Not a free system when a judge can be criminally
charged for stating why he is indulgent within the bounds of his authority.
    A year after the Leuchter controversy, the Auschwitz Museum itself
secretly duplicated Leuchter's test and arrived at the same scientific
conclusion. They however, do not discuss these scientific facts in their
guide book. Their explanation though very lame, for the lack of ferricyanide
in a human gas chamber is that it somehow dissipated over time -- A chemical
impossibility.
    Jewish controlled Soviet Russia had more interests in making sure that
the holocaust story was kept in the eyes of the world because of the
atrocities that they had committed to the Russian people. Killing upward to
115 million in a 40 year span and the hatred that the Jew has for a beautiful
race of people such as the Germans. The Soviet Jews wanted to keep the heat
on the Holocaust story in order that the geocoding Jew himself, Lazar
Moiseyevich Kaganovich and the other hate mongers of white Christians in
particular but not in general would be revealed to the world. The Nazis were
a perfect scapegoat for the most deceitful race of people known to man. They
had put the  Jews in concentration camps in 20 locations and the death camps
just happened to be in the Soviet block. What a gift by the Germans to the
real "Holocaust Perpetrators"  the forefathers of the thieving, murdering
stealing, and we can't leave out lying Jew and their Russian Mafia.
    In early 1944, after a thorough investigation using air photos, spy
reports and government contacts, Allied military leaders concluded the mass
murder rumors could not be confirmed and were therefore, dismissed as some of
the many wartime atrocity stories being circulated by the Soviet and Allied
media. As a result, Allied leaders did not order the bombing of Auschwitz
cremation buildings and guard's quarters, or of any other camp.
    As the investigation had top priority, had military leaders felt that
even one inmate a day was being murdered by guards at Auschwitz, or other
camps, it is almost certain that precision bombing of guard's quarters,
cremation buildings, or other facilities would have been ordered.
    The fact that no camps were bombed, proves that the 1944 Allied military
investigation could not confirm, and therefore dismissed, the mass murder
rumors.
When Germany collapsed in chaos then of course all such defenses ceased, and
typhus and other diseases became rampant in the camps, which quartered mainly
political prisoners, ordinary criminals, homosexuals, conscientious
objectors, and Jews conscripted for labor. Hence the horrible scenes, which
however had nothing to do with "extermination" or any deliberate policy.
Moreover the west German camps involved were not the alleged "extermination
camps", which were all in Poland
    In any subject of history people do not believe the events happen in any
distinctive order or even agree, but the holocaust has come to be a gold mine
for the Jew and a license to extort money out of every nation. So to discount
the holocaust is to plant a seed of doubt into the  minds of people. The lies
that the Jews  have conjured about the holocaust is the redistribution of
wealth through extortion.
    As John Demjanjuka suffered from the bearers of false witnesses( An
obvious practice by the Jewish occult) so did the Nazis. To produce a witness
against the Nazi was easy to do. To provide propaganda films and photographs
was even an easier task.
      Fred Leuchter, was imprisoned for telling what his findings were, and a
year later the museum conducted the same tests with the same results and
would not allow anyone who knew what the results were to speak about it. Upon
calling and asking if the tests were conducted in 1992,  I was told that they
were not at liberty to discuss anything about scientific tests that had been
conducted  and that their neutral position was in the best interest of the
museum!  If the validity of the gas chambers were in fact affirmed by the
test results everyone would have heard about it and that too would be in the
best interest of the Museum.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Zyklon B -1 repost
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:19:09 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Snead wrote:

>     During a criminal trial, scientific evidence is the most
powerful,
> because it can be validated objectively and proven scientifically.

This is not always the case, since it would depend on the nature of the
science, how well accepted the theories are, and precisely how
conclusive available testing is. DNA testing is a perfect example.
There is no objective standard on which all scientist agree.
Futhermore, scientific evidence, although it may in certain instances
be strong, is not necessary to compiling an overwhelming case.

 There is
> no scientific evidence indicating mass gassings at Auschwitz or any
other
> German concentration camp.

That is not true. The Crakow Institute for Forensic Research conducted
tests on the walls of the gas chambers, as well as the delousing
chambers at Auschwitz. Both had significant levels of cyanide residue
when compared to the control samples taken from the barracks. In
addition, immediately after the war, similar tests were performed on
gas chamber exhaust vents found in the gas chamber ruins, and cyanide
residue was found.

 The United States Army had toxicology experts do
> autopsies on hundreds of dead in the Nazi concentration camps.

The only autopsies performed were on corpses found at German camps,
non-extermination camps, who's victims had not been gassed. No
autopsies were done at death camp sites in Poland. It should also be
noted that the vast majority of the murdered were cremated. It is not
possible to conduct an autopsy on human ashes.

Human remains
> can show signs of cyanide poisoning for years. no scientific evidence
existed
> that even one of the victims were gassed to death.

Cyanide poisoning cannot be detected from burned human remains.
Scientific evidence has already been cited.

 Nor do records of
> autopsies by Russian doctors in Eastern European camps show any
evidence of
> gassing.

None were done. You can't do an autopsy on a pile of ash.

>     Although autopsies had been performed, the results were not
presented at
> Nuremberg.

This is false, as noted.

 Why? It would not have served fruitful for the prosecution because
> none of the deaths could be blamed on poison gas.

Conjecture based on false premises.

>In every murder trial the
> prosecution is to show the cause of death. In the most publicized
murder
> trial ever, the proof of the cause of death is conspicuously absent.

Nonsense, substantial proof was presented, including the perpetrators
admitting it. Snead has attempted to pull a fast one here. He has been
arguing there is no scientific evidence (a falsehood), and now tries to
change that contention to mean no evidence. Not a very honest or well
handled attempt of course.

If the
> Nazis had really gassed people by the millions, would not the
prosecution
> have produced at least one autopsy proving the cause of death to be
poisoning
> by the cyanide produced by Zyklon B?

Already dealt with three times.

>     Holocaust gurus purport that one "proof" of the gassing of human
beings
> is the great quantity of Zyklon B used at Auschwitz during the war.

Not true. Historians understand the dual use of Zyklon B. This is a
typical denier strawman argument.

> Attempting to rebut revisionist questioning of gas chambers, Jean
Claude
> Pressac, a French chemist, in his book Auschwitz: Techniques and
Operation of
> the Gas Chambers,supplies data showing the large consumption of Zylon
B at
> Auschwitz.

This data has been common knowledge since the war. There is nothing new
here.

 A logical explanation is that the Germans used the chemical in an
> effort to control the epidemics that ravaged the camps.

This was one of the known uses. Genocide was the other.

>     The data published by Pressac himself shows that the per capita
of Zyklon
> B used in the Auschwitz concentration camp was similar to Zylon B
consuption
> in the German camps such as Oranienburg, where the experts admit that
no
> human gassing took place. If Auschwitz was the great center of
extermination,
> and if Zylon B was the poison used, how could it be that the records
of the
> chemical's purchase
> and usage show no greater consumption at Auschwitz than at the
concentration
> camps where Zylon B was used strictly for the infestation and where
there
> were no alleged gassings?

Kindly post the Pressac data.

>Pressac also inadvertantly revealed  that the coke
> cunsumption was no greater per capita in Auschwitz than the camps in
Germany
> where extermination is not alleged.

False. There was extermination in German camps, deaths from many
causes, and the bodies were cremated. Therefore, the amount_per capita_
shouldn't have been any higher as Pressac pointed out, and not
inadvertantly.

>     In 1988, the Canadian government charged Holocaust questioner
Ernst
> Zundel with violating an archaic law against "spreading false news."
Defense
> attorneys in this criminal case commissioned an American engineering
> consultant on prison gas chambers, Fred Leuchter, to make a
scientific
> examination of the homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz. Leuchter,
apolitical
> person, is perhaps the premier authority in the United States on the
> construction and use of execution equipment, and he was actually in
charge of
> the design and construction of execution facilities used in a number
of
> American prisons.

Mostly false. Leuchter claimed to have these credentials, but his
actual involvement in execution facilities was minimal. He posed as an
engineer, even though he was later forced to admit he had no degree in
engineering at all.

>     In his investigation, Leuchter surveyed the construction of the
alleged
> gas chambers and researched the chemical properties of the Zylon B
fumigant.
> He found that Zylon B is a compound that, when exposed to air,
releases
> deadly potassium cyanide gas. It clings to surfaces and has the
tendencies to
> react chemically with materials containing iron (ferric compounds),
creating
> a ferricyanide. If Zylon B is used in iron chambers or in red brick
> structures, it reacts wit ferrous (iron) material to produce a
distinctive
> blue color.

Mr. Snead is confused on the facts. Zyklon B releases Hydogen Cyanide
gas, the same as used in gas chambers in the U.S.  Mr. Leuchter is
hardly the one to find this out, that's how the Zyklon gas was designed
to work. This gas will form prussian blue if a source of reduced iron
is present. If there is no reduced iron, the cyanide compounds adhere
to the wall without prussian blue stains.

 >The printing ink industry has used these chemical reactions for
> decades to produce a distinctive color called Prussian Blue. Random
House
> Webster's Electronic Dictionary, 1992 edition. defines it as follows:
> Prussian Blue n 1. a moderate to deep greenish blue.  2. a dark blue,
> crystalline, water-insoluable ferrocyanide pigment, used in painting
fabric
> printing and laundry bluing.
>     Not only did Leuchter find that the supposed homicidal gas
chambers at
> Auschwitz were structurally unsuitable for gassing,

He asserts this, but his testimony was demolished and he was forced to
admit ignorance about the very nature of HCN upon which his assumptions
were based. If you would like to post those allegations, I'd be happy
to point out the absurdities.

 >he also took samples from
> the walls and had them chemically analyzed.

Unfortunately for him, he took large chunks of walls, rather than
properly taking surface samples. This error in sample collection,
together with his lack of knowledge of the proper techniques, later
completely invalidated his test.

 Independent laboratories in the
> United Statesfound no evidence of ferricyanide compounds.

That's not true. Some residues were found. But Mr. Leuchter failed to
tell the lab that he was testing for residues of cyanide gas, which
adhere to the surface of objects without penetrating. The lab crushed
the large junks of wall, thereby diluting substantially the residues by
mixing it with substantially more quantity of wall. This single mistake
completely invalidates the test.

Yet, when Leuchter
> examined the rooms used as disinfestation chambers for clothes and
luggage,
> he readily observed the distictive blue coloring associated with
> ferricyanide. After further chemical analysis of the samples, he
proved that
> the disinfection walls had heavy concentrations of the ferricyanide
caused by
> exposer to cyanide.

The delousing chamber samples, which Leuchter mistakenly selected as a
control, contained higher levels of cyanide compound, which was to be
expected since they were exposed to significantly higher amounts for
longer durations. Also, the gas chamber samples were taken from the gas
chamber ruins which had been exposed to the elements for over 4
decades, while the delousing chambers were intact.

>     Leuchter also pointed out that the disinfestation chambers used
for
> delousing clothes were well made, airtight, and designed for safety.
On the
> other hand, the supposed human gas chambers were shoddily constructed.

Nonsense. As Leuchter was forced to admit in court, the gas chambers in
question were in ruins, having been dynamited some 40 years before.
There was no way for him to know the nature of the quality of
construction.

 He ask
> why gas chambers for killing lice would be properly engineered,
whereas
> chambers allegedly for killing millions of people would be improperly
> engineered and constructed- and dangerous for its alleged operators.

But he had no evidence for this, as he admitted.

>     A year after the Leuchter controversial finding, the Auschwitz
Museum
> itself duplicated the tests and arrived to the same conclusion and
their
> feeble explanation is for the lack of ferricyanide in the supposed
chambers
> is that "it somehow dissipated" in the disinfestation chambers.

Cyanide compounds don't form prussian blue unless there is a source of
reduced iron. But the compounds still adhere, although they are more
easily dissipated by water, etc. The Auschwitz Museum conducted no such
tests, the other tests were conducted by a reputable forensic lab, as
mentioned above.

 Yet they
> offer no explanation for why the dissipation hadn't happened in the
delicing
> chambers.

They most certainly did, as have I.



        To Be Continued..........


Oh, we can't wait!

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Zyklon B - 2
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:56:21 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:

Snead wrote:

You will note that Mr. Snead totally abandon's discussing the alleged
findings of Mr. Leuchter in this post, and I think we know the reason
why.

original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1139

> In the last post of Zyklon B I told of the very familiar story of
Fred
> Leuchter and how he was hired by the defense to make scientific
examinations
> of the alleged  homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz. Once his
findings were
> published  Holocaust authorities reacted predictably.....like Phil
and
> Herb....Leuchter became  a victim of an an intense campaign to
discredit him
> and ruin him financially. He suffered defamation, suppression,
intimidation
> and imprisonment for telling the truth.

Nonsense, Leuchter was attacked for the lies he told under oath in the
Canadian courts, for misrepresenting his credentials, and for his
fraudulent and ignorant report on the gas chambers of Auschwitz and
Majdanek. Among other things:

He lied about having engineering credentials, when he possessed only a
degree in History.

He claimed to have worked with a number of state prison officials who
when contacted later denied working with him.

He claimed consulting with a major chemical company on the properties
of cyanide, a claim which later turned out to be false.

He claimed to have received blueprints and other details from the
Auschwitz Museum to use for his test, but he lied about this as well,
and in fact utilized only the tourist brochures available in the Museum.

He improperly and illegally collected samples from the gas chambers at
the two camps.

He established an improper control for his test.

He withheld vital information from the lab chemist, resulting in the
chemist crushing large chunks of samples, completely invalidating what
should have been a surface examination for cyanide residues.

>     Jewish groups wrote defamatory letters to all of his state
penitentiary
> clients urging them to cancel his contracts. They were able to get
> authorities in Massachusetts, his home state, to prosecute him, in
spite of
> his obvious expertise and his patents, under a cabalistic statue of
> practicing engineering without a license.

As it turns out, he had almost no state prison clients, and practicing
engineering without a license is a serious offense, one to be pondered
the next time you drive over a bridge. The point is Mr. Leuchter is a
man of obviously low character, who's mendaciousness is a pertinent
point, especially when it
involves lies about his qualifications to conduct the test. (Mr. Snead
doesn't wish to discuss the science, you'll notice).

>     In November of 1991, Leuchter had a lecture in Weisshiem,
reporting his
> technical findings and the German government imprisoned him for six
weeks.
> Gunter Deckert, a former educator with a clean record was sentenced
to one
> years probation for merely translating and commenting on the lecture
by Fred
> Leuchter.

Irrelevant to whether Leuchter's report proves what Snead and other
deniers say it does.

(snip remainder of irrelevant German court diversion, we're looking for
the beef on Zyklon B, so far Snead hasn't mentioned it!)

>     In early 1944, after a thorough investigation using air photos,
spy
> reports and government contacts, Allied military leaders concluded
the mass
> murder rumors could not be confirmed and were therefore, dismissed as
some of
> the many wartime atrocity stories being circulated by the Soviet and
Allied
> media. As a result, Allied leaders did not order the bombing of
Auschwitz
> cremation buildings and guard's quarters, or of any other camp.

False. No air photos were available in early 1944, and by that time,
evidence of the Holocaust had been leaking out for two years. The
decision to not bomb Auschwitz is a debated one, but it offers no proof
one way or the other on the Holocaust, which is massively supported
with all types of evidence.

>     As the investigation had top priority, had military leaders felt
that
> even one inmate a day was being murdered by guards at Auschwitz, or
other
> camps, it is almost certain that precision bombing of guard's
quarters,
> cremation buildings, or other facilities would have been ordered.

Unsupported speculation. And irrelevant, because massive evidence has
been found since the war ended. Snead, in his desperation, now seems to
be saying the Holocaust can't be true unless they had definitive proof
of it _before_ the war even ended!


>     The fact that no camps were bombed, proves that the 1944 Allied
military
> investigation could not confirm, and therefore dismissed, the mass
murder
> rumors.

Proves no such thing.

> When Germany collapsed in chaos then of course all such defenses
ceased, and
> typhus and other diseases became rampant in the camps, which
quartered mainly
> political prisoners, ordinary criminals, homosexuals, conscientious
> objectors, and Jews conscripted for labor.

Is the reader beginning to wonder where the Zyklon B of the subject
title disappeared to?  The camps were filled mostly by Jews and typhus
killed a small minority, for which the Nazis are as to blame as for the
other forms of Holocaust death, since simple hygiene standards and
nutritional standards would have prevented it.

 >Hence the horrible scenes, which
> however had nothing to do with "extermination" or any deliberate
policy.
> Moreover the west German camps involved were not the alleged
"extermination
> camps", which were all in Poland

The extermination camps were not the only camps where Jews and others
were killed. But killed they were, as Nazi correspondence and
testimony, along with much other evidence, has conclusively proven.

>     In any subject of history people do not believe the events happen
in any
> distinctive order or even agree, but the holocaust has come to be a
gold mine
> for the Jew and a license to extort money out of every nation. So to
discount
> the holocaust is to plant a seed of doubt into the  minds of people.
The lies
> that the Jews  have conjured about the holocaust is the
redistribution of
> wealth through extortion.

Still no Zyklon B, just Snead slithering off into his antisemitic rant.

>       Fred Leuchter, was imprisoned for telling what his findings
were, and a
> year later the museum conducted the same tests with the same results
and
> would not allow anyone who knew what the results were to speak about
it.

A lie. The Museum conducted no tests. Tests were conducted by the
Crakow Institute for Forensic REsearch, a real scientific
establishment, unlike Leuchter. And they did not duplicate his
research, since it was methodologically flawed and invalid. Their test
revealed substantial residues of cyanide on the walls of the gas
chambers, and no residues on the control structures, the barracks.

 Upon
> calling and asking if the tests were conducted in 1992,  I was told
that they
> were not at liberty to discuss anything about scientific tests that
had been
> conducted  and that their neutral position was in the best interest
of the
> museum!

Sure, now Snead wants to offer as evidence his own anecdotal evidence!
Since the study has been published and is even available on the web,
the reader can judge the veracity of this statement.

 If the validity of the gas chambers were in fact affirmed by the
> test results everyone would have heard about it and that too would be
in the
> best interest of the Museum.

Yup, that's why it was published and your assertion of a phone call,
(Mr. Snead would have us believe he speaks Polish, no doubt!) is a lie.

Mr. Snead finished his posting on Zyklon B without even using the
words. Fancy that!

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Zyklon B Gas
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:05:28 -0400
From: jsavage 
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philnancy@aol.com wrote:
>
> Savage wrote:
>
> philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1124
> > Hi All!
> > >
> > > Savage wrote:
> > >
> > > philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> > > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1100
> > > > Hi All!
> > > >
> > > > philnancy@aol.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Griffin wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> > > > > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=10
> 79
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ....... Jew ,Stephen
> > > > > > >Abrams took his car and ran over several innocent children,
> > > killing
> > > > > a 4
> > > > > > >year
> > > > > > >old girl and a 3 year old boy in Costa Mesa, California and
> we
> > > heard
> > > > > a
> > > > > > >little
> > > > > > >bit about it...no screams for Car Control by the Clintonese
> > > > > government or
> > > > > > >the
> > > > > > >Jewish Media yet you let a white man take an automatic weapon
> > > into a
> > > > > Jewish
> > > > > > >school three months later and a few miles apart and wound 5
> > > people
> > > > > and you
> > > > > > >are bombarded by the Jewish propaganda. I will conclude my
> Zylon
> > > B
> > > > > posting
> > > > > > >early next week and put more cracks in the foundation of you
> > > alibis.
> > > > > > >Michael Snead
> > > > > > >14/88
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So true, Michael....And white Christians should be informed
> about
> > > > > this "hate
> > > > > > crime" committed by this Jew..
> > > > >
> > > > > I didn't think you moronic haters believed in hate crimes? I
> also
> > > see
> > > > > you've further circumscribed your group to just white
> Christians.
> > > Mind
> > > > > pointing out where Christ supports such a delineation?
> > > >
> > > > js
> > > > Matthew 15:24
> > > > "But he answered and said, I am not sent but
> > > > unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel".
> > >
> > > Not physically lost, moron.
> > >
> > Ezek 37:21 "And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD;
> > Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the
> > heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on
> > every side, and bring them into their own land:"
>
> Still not physically lost, moron.

EZekiel 3:5
"Fot thou art not sent to a people of a strange
and of a hard language, put to the house of Israel".

vs 4 defines this person as..."Son of man, ...".

>
> >
> > Ezek 37:22 "And I will make them one nation in the land upon
> > the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all:
> > and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be
> > divided into two kingdoms any more at all."
>
> Yes, two Israeli nations.
>

js
UHOO....STUPID!....that passage doesn't say a
thing about two israeli nations....

> >
> > Ezek 37:23  "Neither shall they defile themselves any more with
> > their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of
> > their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their
> > dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them:
> > so shall they be my people, and I will be their God."
>
> Sounds like he's talking to you!

js
MOST DEFINETLY!!!

> >
>
> Where's your evidence it's true?
>

Uhoo..STUPID!....read the prophecy....It takes live
flesh and blood people to fulfill it!....All you have
to do is read it....It starts in vs 15....

Ezekiel 37:18...
"When the children of my people shall speak unto thee,
saying,...".

vs 19..."Say unto them....".

vs 20..."...before their eyes".

vs 21 :And say unto them...".

> > > >
> > > > True Israel is white....whether you like it or not!
> > >
> > > Nope, just another loony lie from you Christian Identity fruitloops.
> > >
> > Only if you can Spiritualize Israel....and you can't do it!
> > Ezekiel 37:15-24 says you don't stand a chance....
>
> It says no such thing. Your racism is of your own invention, bigot.
>

js
UHOO...STUPID!...Reading isn't one of your strong points...and
neither is word definition...good buddy....

bigot - A person who is obstinately and unreasonably wedded
to a particular RELIGIOUS creed, opinion, practice or ritual!!

Give me a double dose 

> > > >
> > > > > Jesus reviles people like you and the hate you spew!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > js
> > > > Just where in the Bible does Jesus Christ say that?...
> > >
> > > Why does he have to say it?
> > >
> > js
> > You said that he had to say it!...
>
> No I didn't. Wrong again!
> >
> > STUPID little you used the word "reviles" ("Jesus
> > reviles people like you...")....
>
> He does.
>

Where does Jesus Christ treat me with opprobrious and
contemptuous language....show me good buddy!

> >
> > STUPID little you doesn't know the definition for revile!
>
> Oh, but I do.
>
> >
> > (transitive senses : to subject to verbal abuse ...)
> > (intransitive senses : to use abusive language...)
>
> Hehehe. Better review!
>

js
No need!....revile means to treat with opprobrious and
contemptuous language...look it up good buddy!

> >
> > Now show me where he said it...good buddy!....or get back
> > on the sofa and continue licking yourself....
>
> He reviles you because you are a hater, one who probably hates himself.
>
js
I see you chose to get back on the couch and lick yourself
somemore....way to go good buddy!

js
--
Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite
a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew".

                                       The 1980 Jewish Almanac

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Columbine High and Hate Crime
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:10:32 -0400
From: steve wolk 
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David Griffin is insane.

Steve

David Griffin wrote:
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> >Subject: [13texan] Columbine High and Hate Crime
> >Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:33:39 EDT
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> >12 21:49:56 1999
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> >
> >     I have heard so much about Hate Crimes that it makes me sick,  yet
> >every
> >opportunity the media has that is convenient they will use this term. I
> >believe that if you murder anyone, regardless of skin color or religion you
> >should do time and in some cases the perpetrator should get the death
> >penalty.
> >Michael Snead
> >
> >
> >
> >THE JEWISH BACKGROUND OF COLORADO KILLER
> >
> >Mother of one killer grew up in Bexley
> >
> >April 23, 1999
> >
> >By Dean Narciso and Kevin Kidder
> >Dispatch Police Reporters
> >
> >The mother of one of the boys responsible for the bloody
> >rampage that killed 15 in Colorado grew up in Bexley.
> >
> >Susan Klebold, 50, is the mother of Dylan Klebold, 17, one of two
> >students of Columbine High School who opened fire on fellow
> >students Tuesday. She grew up in Bexley as Susan Yassenoff.
> >
> >Judy Feiertag lived next door to Susan Yassenoff and baby-sat
> >her and her brother and sister. The Yassenoffs lived on S.
> >Roosevelt Ave.
> >
> >When Feiertag learned that her next-door neighbor from decades
> >ago was Dylan Klebold's mother, she was stunned, she said.
> >"My legs absolutely buckled. I got shivers."
> >
> >"I was just shocked. I was sickened when I saw this on the news,
> >but it makes it that much worse when you realize an acquaintance
> >of yours was involved,'' Feiertag said last night.
> >
> >Susan Klebold is the granddaughter of Leo Yassenoff, a
> >philanthropist in the Columbus Jewish community and donor
> >to the Leo Yassenoff Jewish Community Center of Columbus,
> >1125 College Ave., which bears his name.......
>
> The attack on those students in Colorado was nothing less than an attack
> orchestated by anti-Christ Jews on Christians.....The sooner Christians
> realize that Jews are only children of Satan, which must be removed from
> every area of Christian society, only then will they truly enjoy peace.
>
> Hail Jesus' Victory!
> David
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Subject: [13texan] Jewish Revisionism
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:51:21 -0600
From: Ed Kadach 
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THE HOFFMAN WIRE
Sept. 13, 1999
Michael A. Hoffman II, Editor
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Contents:

1. Jewish Revisionism

2. Bertelsmann Internet Censorship Conference This Week In Munich
===============================================================

JEWISH REVISIONISM

The NY Times in its September 12, 1999 edition published a Jewish
revisionist article, by their long-time European reporter, Roger Cohen. In
³The Germans Want Their History Back,² Cohen writes:

"Buchenwald, like Dachau and other concentration camps on German soil, was
never an annihilation camp for the Jews."

This was admitted by the Establishment as far back as the 1960s, when
Martin Brozsat conceded these facts. Simon Wiesenthal made a similar
admission in "Books and Bookmen" in 1975.

In the ever-evolving World War Two exterminationist script there are two
fields of activity for the propagandists, one academic, the other cultural.
Cohen is here interpreting the academic for the cultural sphere, because
the state of popular perception is very different from what is conceived as
the latest information in the academic realm.

Daniel Goldhagen¹s book ³Hitler¹s Willing Executioners² and Spielberg¹s
film ³Schindler¹s List² are riddled with historical errors which render
them fantasies. In the former case, Goldhagen won wide popular acclaim from
journalists and literature critics but was shot down and virtually
disgraced by scholars.

Spielberg makes no pretense to scholarship and was handled more gingerly.
He deals with the Six Million as a funeral home of the mind, and as
revisionist pioneer Ditlieb Felderer told me, ³You don¹t ask questions at a
funeral.² The aura of awe and grief and propriety are too strong.

But increasingly there is a need to reconcile the academic with the
cultural and this is one objective of Cohen¹s article. There is anxiety in
New York about the gap between  cultural myths accepted by the public and
academic research challenging the consensus and taken seriously by a
growing number of historians.

Most of this anxiety centers on Auschwitz, where hangs the central tale of
the "Holocaust". The public's notions about Auschwitz are being gradually
revised by the Establishment as they are slowly conditioned for the day
when the claim of mass homicidal gassings there will be quietly dropped.

The Establishment is very much tuned into the work of revisionists like
Felderer, Robert Faurisson, Germar Rudolph and David Irving, especially
after Irving came close to entering the Auschwitz camp grounds with a BBC
film crew in tow (they were banned at the last minute).

After stating the truth about Buchenwald and Dachau, Cohen asks a question
which is really a kind of Talmudic query: "Does the distinction matter? All
the Nazi camps were barbarous, and a Jew shot or worked to death in
Buchenwald was just as dead as one gassed at Birkenau. Moreover, the
enormity of the Holocaust is such that its dominant place in the history of
Nazism is right and inevitable."

Here is the main argument of the exterminationists reduced to a
paragraph: Do distinctions matter? To the racist German-hater they do not.
To the Jewish mentality, Germans bear the Mark of Cain for eternity because
their nation's government once dared to persecute "God's Holy People."
Questions concerning the implementation and extent of the persecution are
irrelevant to the core conviction. Even if it is admitted that
Auschwitz/Birkenau was only an interment and labor camp, not an
"extermination" facility, this would change nothing in most Jewish eyes:
Jewish people still perished there, were "just as dead" as someone who had
been gassed.

But revisionists and the demands of the scientific method itself, insist
that distinctions do matter. It is the particulars of a thing which
distinguish it from a simulacra. Moreover, in a murder trial, at least
under Anglo-Saxon jurisprudence, the degree and details of a crime
determine culpability and punishment. But under Talmudic halacha:

"According to the Jewish religion, the murder of a Jew is a capital offense
and one of the three most heinous sins...When the victim is a Gentile, the
position is quite different. A Jew who murders a Gentile is guilty of a
sin...not punishable by a court. To cause indirectly the death of a Gentile
is no sin at all...when it comes to a Gentile...one may harm him
indirectly, for instance by removing a ladder after he had fallen into a
crevice." --Dr. Israel Shahak, "Jewish History, Jewish Religion," chapter 5.

In a world circumscribed by this level of institutionalized racist contempt
for the Gentile generally, Germans who have become a kind of collective
Haman in a modern Purim legend, are not going to be exculpated by virtue of
any revision of the documentary record, which to the Jewish mentality, is
mere ephemera.

Cohen's task is to uphold the continuing demonization of the Germans by
putting the latest hypnotic Jewish spin on developments in revisionism.
Even though the public is told that revisionism is completely corrupt and
demonic, the Establishment privately attaches great importance to it, since
they are painfully aware that they do not control every single professor
and journalist and never know when some prominent renegade may blow the lid
off. Their response is to strategically preempt such potential spontaneity
with a kind of damage control.

This is what the NY Times' is doing in the article under examination. They
are conditioning the goyim for further revisionist revelations which in
this Internet age, cannot remain bottled forever. Like a Babylonian high
priest, Cohen knows that in mass psychology it is not the facts themselves
that matter but the public perception of them and these are amenable to the
proper spin.

Let's take the next quote from Cohen:

"Expecting gas chambers at Buchenwald is in many ways to be as misinformed
as expecting only tributes to anti-fascist fighters."

Cohen doesn't say who is responsible for this "misinformed" impression in
the first place. Actually, it's the Allies, beginning with the holy
Nuremburg trials, and the Jewish power structure itself. But responsibility
is never honestly apportioned.

When Israeli Prof. Yehuda Bauer admitted that the Germans never made soap
from Jewish cadavers, as the Allies and Jewish "eyewitnesses" had claimed
for years, Bauer put the blame on the Germans, claiming that they had
deliberately started the rumor during the war to terrorize concentration
camp inmates.

Bauer perhaps forgot that atrocity stories and rumors typically die with
the cessation of conflict, and it is only in the unprecedented spirit of
vengeance and chauvinism which has reigned in Jewish circles since 1945
that kept the despicable soap libel going long after it should have been
laid to rest.

Furthermore, if one substitutes the word Auschwitz for Buchenwald in
Cohen's preceding statement, we see how the ground is being prepared for a
new spin on an old story. The New York Establishment is not yet ready to
directly deal in a mass medium with the grave problems recent scholarship
has unearthed concerning the Auschwitz "gas chambers," which were
constructed after the war by the Communists, and misrepresented all these
years to the public as Nazi instruments of extermination. But they are
softening up the target audience with the sense that the "Holocaust" script
is not fixed after all, in fact, for a dogma that supposedly "must not be
denied," it is remarkably fluid and evolutionary.

Cohen quotes Fritz Stern, the historian: "The concentration camps were
publicly established in 1933, and they were for all political enemies of
Hitler. The gas chambers came later and were a universe apart."

The camps in the Old Reich of Germany, were not just for 'Jews." In fact
there were far more leftist, Protestant, Catholic, homosexual and ordinary
criminal elements in Bergen-Belsen, Dachau and Buchenwald than Jewish ones.
Since most of the infamous photos of emaciated inmates and piles of naked
corpses are from these camps, those photos are in general not of Jewish
victims at all, but of Gentiles. Cohen in a very circuitous way, typical of
Talmudic thinking, is conceding this.

He then cites the "functionalist"-school German historian, Hans Mommsen,
who states, "To conflate the concentration camps and the annihilation
camps, as Americans tend to do is unhelpful."

Once again, who is responsible for this conflation? Who are these
"Americans"? Mommsen and Cohen don't say. In fact the prime movers behind
making "concentration camps" falsely synonymous with annihilation, are
Jewish movie moguls in Hollywood and Jewish publishing moguls in New York.

Cohen even steers his readers into John Sack ("An Eye for an Eye") and
James Bacque ("Crimes and Mercies") territory, without mentioning these
historians by name. Cohen says, "The long-suppressed fact that Buchenwald
was used from 1945 to 1952 as a Soviet internment camp (commemorated in a
small museum at the site) is also controversial..."

Here is the most fertile revisionism of all (with far greater mass appeal
than endless arguments over gas chamber lore, pro and contra), the hidden
history of Allied war crimes and holocausts and of Lenin, Trotsky and
Stalin's permafrost gulags where millions of goyim marched to their graves,
and whose mass murder has thus far registered with the Western public about
as much as leaves stirring in an autumn wind.

Yet the phantoms of the gulag as well as those Soviet, American, French and
British annihilation camps, are a ticking time bomb for the Establishment.
The troubling aspect for Official History is that Sack and Bacque have
given life to these unsung victims and simply cranking up the machinery of
the ADL inquisition and imposing a cloak of silence and suppression, is no
longer sufficient. Cooler and more cunning Jewish heads are assessing the
degree of damage control necessary to maintain the core of their mythos.

They don't want the public to access Sack and Bacque directly. (Bacque's
book was published in Canada and Britain but not in America; Sack's tome
was refused a book review by fifty of the top media organs in America).

The System recognizes the need to spin a Jewish version of revisionist
revelations, couching them in the dimensions of the magical Jewish universe
which effectively exists outside of the scientific method of inquiry and
the history that is predicated upon it.

Cohen's NY Times' article reveals a growing nervousness expressed in terms
of an Establishment-approved, Jewish ersatz revisionism. As direct access
to the real thing gains cachet on the Internet, we can savor the delicious
spectacle of the Cohens of our time sweating their losing proposition, as
they try to maintain credibility for the sacred, racist "Holocaust" cult,
in a world that has made a mania out of anti-racism and irreverence toward
everything that claims for itself the mantle of the sacred.

--Michael A. Hoffman II

Hoffman is a former reporter for the New York bureau of the Associated
Press and the director of The Campaign for Radical Truth in History
(www.hoffman-info.com)

Copyright ©1999 The Hoffman Wire

=============================

2. Bertelsmann Internet Censorship Conference This Week In Munich

In the last Hoffman Wire I reported that the Bertelsmann Foundation, based
in Guetersloh, Germany, part of Bertelsmann A.G., one of the world's
largest media conglomerates and an instrument of Zionist policy, has put
forth an influential Internet censorship mandate.

This week Bertelsmann will host a three-day summit in Munich to address the
"proposal." The summit is expected to draw about 300 participants,
including law professors, law enforcement experts, and computer companies
like Microsoft, IBM and America Online.

Citing "mounting concern among parents, politicians and others that it is
too easy for young people to find objectionable material online, either
accidentally or on purpose...like child pornography and hate speech,"
Bertelsmann advocates an international rating and filtering system. Under
this system Web publishers would "voluntarily" rate their sites so that the
ratings could be read by blocking software. The proposal envisions the
emergence of numerous different filters, "reflecting a range of cultural
values and ideologies."

"Parents could then choose a filter that reflected their values and block
content accordingly. Content providers worldwide must be mobilized to label
their content, and filters must be made available to guardians and all
users of the Internet to make more effective choices about the content they
wish to have enter their homes," the proposal says, emphasizing the need
for, "striking an appropriate balance between free speech concerns and the
need to protect children."

Critics say the filtering system would encourage government regulation, and
"make it easy for governments to do things like require Web sites to rate
themselves. These systems, although proposed as voluntary, are going to be
very attractive for government mandates once they are up and running."

Bertelsmann has issued a subtle threat, warning, "...if Web publishers do
not begin regulating themselves, government control is inevitable."

Germany is a pornography center with children having widespread access to
porn at neighborhood kiosks and on German television. The alleged Internet
anti-porn crusade is just a cover for the real target, "hate speech," i.e.
expression that is not controlled by the Establishment.

While television remains the main conduit for violence and pornography into
the home, any filtering of Hollywood TV programs in America is regarded as
an intolerable intrusion on freedom of expression. No electronic means for
parents to choose "a filter that reflected their values and blocks content
accordingly" is available for TV. Only the Internet requires such draconian
filtering because only the Internet is independent of Establishment
control. --Michael A. Hoffman II

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Jewish Revisionism
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:12:26 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
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Ed Kadach copied:

> THE HOFFMAN WIRE

Ah, Michael "Don't call me a nazi" Hoffman, who ran from usenet with his tail
between his legs... this oughta be fun...

> Daniel Goldhagen¹s book ³Hitler¹s Willing Executioners² and Spielberg¹s
> film ³Schindler¹s List² are riddled with historical errors which render
> them fantasies. In the former case, Goldhagen won wide popular acclaim from
> journalists and literature critics but was shot down and virtually
> disgraced by scholars.

Goody! Hoffman will list these "errors," and we can discuss them... he'll
provide the *facts* you people don't seem able to provide... ok.. let's see
where he lists them....

> Spielberg makes no pretense to scholarship and was handled more gingerly.
> He deals with the Six Million as a funeral home of the mind, and as
> revisionist pioneer Ditlieb Felderer told me, ³You don¹t ask questions at a
> funeral.² The aura of awe and grief and propriety are too strong.

Nope... no evidence of error there....

> But increasingly there is a need to reconcile the academic with the
> cultural and this is one objective of Cohen¹s article. There is anxiety in
> New York about the gap between  cultural myths accepted by the public and
> academic research challenging the consensus and taken seriously by a
> growing number of historians.

Nope... no sign of "errors" yet.... same ol same ol.... all assertions, no
evidence. Must be something you guys catch at your aryanfests, you know, where
all the boneheads get drunk and beat each other up?

> Most of this anxiety centers on Auschwitz, where hangs the central tale of
> the "Holocaust". The public's notions about Auschwitz are being gradually
> revised by the Establishment as they are slowly conditioned for the day
> when the claim of mass homicidal gassings there will be quietly dropped.

I have not seen any evidence that the public perception of Auschwitz has changed
one iota... neither, it appears, does Hoffman.... or at least he doesn't offer
us any. Funny, that...

> The Establishment is very much tuned into the work of revisionists like
> Felderer, Robert Faurisson, Germar Rudolph and David Irving, especially
> after Irving came close to entering the Auschwitz camp grounds with a BBC
> film crew in tow (they were banned at the last minute).

Actuallly, from what I have seen, the "establishment" is still laughing at those
twits - particularly Irving, who has lied under oath often enough that there
aren't many left but nazi symps who give him much credit....

After stating the truth about Buchenwald and Dachau, Cohen asks a question

> which is really a kind of Talmudic query: "Does the distinction matter? All
> the Nazi camps were barbarous, and a Jew shot or worked to death in
> Buchenwald was just as dead as one gassed at Birkenau. Moreover, the
> enormity of the Holocaust is such that its dominant place in the history of
> Nazism is right and inevitable."

Nope... no "evidence of errors" here, either... he'll get around to it, right,
Kidach?

> Here is the main argument of the exterminationists reduced to a
> paragraph: Do distinctions matter? To the racist German-hater they do not.
> To the Jewish mentality, Germans bear the Mark of Cain for eternity because
> their nation's government once dared to persecute "God's Holy People."
> Questions concerning the implementation and extent of the persecution are
> irrelevant to the core conviction. Even if it is admitted that
> Auschwitz/Birkenau was only an interment and labor camp, not an
> "extermination" facility, this would change nothing in most Jewish eyes:
> Jewish people still perished there, were "just as dead" as someone who had
> been gassed.

Darn! Nary a single "error" there, either... this guy seems long on wind and
short on facts.... and after he sorta promised us "errors," too.... darn.

> But revisionists and the demands of the scientific method itself, insist
> that distinctions do matter. It is the particulars of a thing which
> distinguish it from a simulacra. Moreover, in a murder trial, at least
> under Anglo-Saxon jurisprudence, the degree and details of a crime
> determine culpability and punishment. But under Talmudic halacha:

Oops... nothing there about "errors," either... I think this guy Hoffman has way
too much time on his hands... must be that Pure White Air in Boise, huh?

> "According to the Jewish religion, the murder of a Jew is a capital offense
> and one of the three most heinous sins...When the victim is a Gentile, the
> position is quite different. A Jew who murders a Gentile is guilty of a
> sin...not punishable by a court. To cause indirectly the death of a Gentile
> is no sin at all...when it comes to a Gentile...one may harm him
> indirectly, for instance by removing a ladder after he had fallen into a
> crevice." --Dr. Israel Shahak, "Jewish History, Jewish Religion," chapter 5.

Nope, no "errors" there... isn't he going to tell us about these "errors" in
Goldhagen, Kodach?

> In a world circumscribed by this level of institutionalized racist contempt
> for the Gentile generally, Germans who have become a kind of collective
> Haman in a modern Purim legend, are not going to be exculpated by virtue of
> any revision of the documentary record, which to the Jewish mentality, is
> mere ephemera.

Nope... missed 'em again...

> Cohen's task is to uphold the continuing demonization of the Germans by
> putting the latest hypnotic Jewish spin on developments in revisionism.
> Even though the public is told that revisionism is completely corrupt and
> demonic, the Establishment privately attaches great importance to it, since
> they are painfully aware that they do not control every single professor
> and journalist and never know when some prominent renegade may blow the lid
> off. Their response is to strategically preempt such potential spontaneity
> with a kind of damage control.

Nope.... this is getting to be a big disappointment, Addie my boy...

> This is what the NY Times' is doing in the article under examination. They
> are conditioning the goyim for further revisionist revelations which in
> this Internet age, cannot remain bottled forever. Like a Babylonian high
> priest, Cohen knows that in mass psychology it is not the facts themselves
> that matter but the public perception of them and these are amenable to the
> proper spin.

{anudder paragraph without evidence of these "errors"}

> Let's take the next quote from Cohen:
>
> "Expecting gas chambers at Buchenwald is in many ways to be as misinformed
> as expecting only tributes to anti-fascist fighters."
>
> Cohen doesn't say who is responsible for this "misinformed" impression in
> the first place. Actually, it's the Allies, beginning with the holy
> Nuremburg trials, and the Jewish power structure itself. But responsibility
> is never honestly apportioned.
>
> When Israeli Prof. Yehuda Bauer admitted that the Germans never made soap
> from Jewish cadavers, as the Allies and Jewish "eyewitnesses" had claimed
> for years, Bauer put the blame on the Germans, claiming that they had
> deliberately started the rumor during the war to terrorize concentration
> camp inmates.

{more of the same empty chatter... nary a sign of all them "errors"}

>

Oops! 6 more paragraphs, Eddie old girl, and not a SINGLE listing - let alone
proving - of a SINGLE "error" in either Goldhage OR Spielberg. Shucks, and here
I let myself get all addled up...... you shore do know how to dissapoint a guy
there, Kadach

> 2. Bertelsmann Internet Censorship Conference This Week In Munich
>
> In the last Hoffman Wire I reported that the Bertelsmann Foundation, based
> in Guetersloh, Germany, part of Bertelsmann A.G., one of the world's
> largest media conglomerates and an instrument of Zionist policy, has put
> forth an influential Internet censorship mandate.
>

"instrument of zionist policy," eh, Hoffie? That's rich... Bertelsman ain't
Jewish, and neither are his directors. Do you EVER get anything RIGHT?

(No wonder Hoffman's hiding in Boise these days - If I wrote crap like that, I'd
hide too.)

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Jewish Revisionism
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:12:33 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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philnanc-@aol.com wrote:

Kadach wrote:


original article:http

://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1144
> THE HOFFMAN WIRE
> Sept. 13, 1999
> Michael A. Hoffman II, Editor
> http://www.hoffman-info.com
>
> To Subscribe or Unsubscribe: hoffman@hoffman-info.com
>
>
> Contents:
>
> 1. Jewish Revisionism
>

There's no such thing as Jewish Revisionism moron.

Hate any Jews today Eddie.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Zyklon B Gas
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:19:40 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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philnanc-@aol.com wrote:

Savage wrote:

original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1141
> philnancy@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Savage wrote:
> >
> > philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=1124
> > > Hi All!
> > > >
> > > > Savage wrote:
> > > >
> > > > philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> > > > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=11
00
> > > > > Hi All!
> > > > >
> > > > > philnancy@aol.com wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Griffin wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> > > > > > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?star
t=10
> > 79
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ....... Jew ,Stephen
> > > > > > > >Abrams took his car and ran over several innocent
children,
> > > > killing
> > > > > > a 4
> > > > > > > >year
> > > > > > > >old girl and a 3 year old boy in Costa Mesa, California
and
> > we
> > > > heard
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > >little
> > > > > > > >bit about it...no screams for Car Control by the
Clintonese
> > > > > > government or
> > > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > >Jewish Media yet you let a white man take an automatic
weapon
> > > > into a
> > > > > > Jewish
> > > > > > > >school three months later and a few miles apart and
wound 5
> > > > people
> > > > > > and you
> > > > > > > >are bombarded by the Jewish propaganda. I will conclude
my
> > Zylon
> > > > B
> > > > > > posting
> > > > > > > >early next week and put more cracks in the foundation of
you
> > > > alibis.
> > > > > > > >Michael Snead
> > > > > > > >14/88
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So true, Michael....And white Christians should be
informed
> > about
> > > > > > this "hate
> > > > > > > crime" committed by this Jew..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I didn't think you moronic haters believed in hate crimes? I
> > also
> > > > see
> > > > > > you've further circumscribed your group to just white
> > Christians.
> > > > Mind
> > > > > > pointing out where Christ supports such a delineation?
> > > > >
> > > > > js
> > > > > Matthew 15:24
> > > > > "But he answered and said, I am not sent but
> > > > > unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel".
> > > >
> > > > Not physically lost, moron.
> > > >
> > > Ezek 37:21 "And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD;
> > > Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the
> > > heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on
> > > every side, and bring them into their own land:"
> >
> > Still not physically lost, moron.
>
> EZekiel 3:5
> "Fot thou art not sent to a people of a strange
> and of a hard language, put to the house of Israel".
>
> vs 4 defines this person as..."Son of man, ...".

Irrelevant to the discussion.

>
> >
> > >
> > > Ezek 37:22 "And I will make them one nation in the land upon
> > > the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all:
> > > and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be
> > > divided into two kingdoms any more at all."
> >
> > Yes, two Israeli nations.
> >
>
> js
> UHOO....STUPID!....that passage doesn't say a
> thing about two israeli nations....

Really!

>
>
>
> > >
> > > Ezek 37:23  "Neither shall they defile themselves any more with
> > > their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of
> > > their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their
> > > dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them:
> > > so shall they be my people, and I will be their God."
> >
> > Sounds like he's talking to you!
>
> js
> MOST DEFINETLY!!!

Then repent sinner!

>
>
>
> > >
> >
> > Where's your evidence it's true?
> >
>
> Uhoo..STUPID!....read the prophecy....It takes live
> flesh and blood people to fulfill it!....All you have
> to do is read it....It starts in vs 15....
>

Where's you evidence it's true? Afraid to answer?

> Ezekiel 37:18...
> "When the children of my people shall speak unto thee,
> saying,...".

Relevance?

>
> vs 19..."Say unto them....".

Relevance?
>
> vs 20..."...before their eyes".

Relevance?

>
> vs 21 :And say unto them...".

Relevance?  Not doing very well!

>
> > > > >
> > > > > True Israel is white....whether you like it or not!
> > > >
> > > > Nope, just another loony lie from you Christian Identity
fruitloops.
> > > >
> > > Only if you can Spiritualize Israel....and you can't do it!
> > > Ezekiel 37:15-24 says you don't stand a chance....
> >
> > It says no such thing. Your racism is of your own invention, bigot.
> >
>
> js
> UHOO...STUPID!...Reading isn't one of your strong points...and
> neither is word definition...good buddy....

Don't count on it. Not doing too well there Savage.

>
> bigot - A person who is obstinately and unreasonably wedded
> to a particular RELIGIOUS creed, opinion, practice or ritual!!

Unreasonably, and intolerantly. Yup, your a bigot, and a stupid one at
that.

>
> Give me a double dose 

You've already OD'D.

>
>
>
> > > > >
> > > > > > Jesus reviles people like you and the hate you spew!
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > js
> > > > > Just where in the Bible does Jesus Christ say that?...
> > > >
> > > > Why does he have to say it?
> > > >
> > > js
> > > You said that he had to say it!...
> >
> > No I didn't. Wrong again!
> > >
> > > STUPID little you used the word "reviles" ("Jesus
> > > reviles people like you...")....
> >
> > He does.
> >
>
> Where does Jesus Christ treat me with opprobrious and
> contemptuous language....show me good buddy!

Look for comments on savages.

>
> > >
> > > STUPID little you doesn't know the definition for revile!
> >
> > Oh, but I do.
> >
> > >
> > > (transitive senses : to subject to verbal abuse ...)
> > > (intransitive senses : to use abusive language...)
> >
> > Hehehe. Better review!
> >
>
> js
> No need!....revile means to treat with opprobrious and
> contemptuous language...look it up good buddy!

Got that part right, now try thinking with that little bit of
information.

>
>
>
> > >
> > > Now show me where he said it...good buddy!....or get back
> > > on the sofa and continue licking yourself....
> >
> > He reviles you because you are a hater, one who probably hates
himself.
> >
> js
> I see you chose to get back on the couch and lick yourself
> somemore....way to go good buddy!

You do hate yourself, don't you!

Philip Mathews

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