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Kurt Knoll has lost the plot.



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Vera Perks tried to call the Spencer Police on Mr. Horn.  Vera is too 
stupid to know that Mr. Horn lives in Oklahoma City, and thus, Spencer 
has no jurisdiction to arrest him.  It is the Oklahoma City Police 
Department that has the jurisdiction to arrest Mr. Horn.  If she was 
smart she would call:

Sgt. Jim Bradford
1-(405)-297-1101
701 Colcord Dr.
Oklahoma City, OK 73102



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Vera Perks got in trouble with the police again?  ROTFLMFAO!



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Any news would be appreciated.



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Subject: WHEN IS WILLIAM GROSVENOR GOING TO PAY RICHARD WARMAN???????
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William Grosvenor                       
9208 - 137 Avenue                           
EDMONTON - Alberta 
CANADA T5E 1Y5
Phone: (780) 475-9668 and (780) 475-5555 
Google Map- http://tinyurl.com/8hfc5n

Here is William Grosvenor's Civil suit that he lost.

http://tinyurl.com/5px2k7

http://tinyurl.com/6eqas7

Here is his felony conviction.  


http://tinyurl.com/8krxh8

                                      CRIMINAL CODE, 1953-54

                                          CONVICTION
                                     (C.C., ss. 482 and 713)

CANADA                      )
Province of British Columbia)
County of Prince Rupert     )           Regina vs. GROSVENOR
City of Prince Rupert       )

          Be it remembered that on the 29th day of April, A.D. 1970,
at Prince Rupert, B.C., William GROSVENOR, hereinafter called "the
accused", was tried under Part (XVI) of the Criminal Code upon the
chaqrge that he the accused between the 13th day of February, A.D.
1970 and the 16th day of February, A.D. 1970 both days inclusive, in
the City of Prince Rupert, in the Province of British Columbia, 
without reasonable justification or excuse and with intent to extort
money by threatening to prosecute Campbell McLEOD with an offense 
under the Companies Act of the Province of British Columbia,
UNLAWFULLY attempted to induce the said Campbell McLEOD to pay him,
the said William GROSVENOR, the sum of Fifty Dollars ($50.00),

CONTRARY TO THE FORM OF STATUTE IN SUCH CASE MADE AND PROVIDED:

was convicted of the said offense, and the following punishment
was imposed upon him, namely: That the said accused be imprisoned
in the Prince George Regional Goal at Prince George, B.C. for the
term of one (1) day and in addition forfeit and pay the sum of
FOUR HUNDRED ($400.00) dollars, to be applied according to law, 
and also pay to the Court the sum of Nil dollars in respect to
costs, and in default of payment of the said sums forthwith or
before 29-Jul-70 to be imprisoned in the Prince George Regional
Goal at Prince George, B.C. for the term of TWO (2) MONTHS
unless the said sums and costs and charges to the said prison
are sooner paid.

          Dated this 29th day of Apri., A.D. 1970 at
Prince Rupert, B.C.

                       (D.K. McADAM)
                       -------------------------------
                       A Judge in and for the Province
                       of British Columbia, specially
                       authorized by the terms of his
                       appointment to exercise juris-
                       diction under Part XVI of the
                       Criminal Code.

Certified as a true copy of the
original order of conviction

(Signature illegible)

In and for the Province of
British Columbia.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++
Tell it to the judge Grosvenor!!



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Loathesome Molester McVay-Cheating IRS & CRA-Now B'Nai Brith
Dissolving?

Now  B'nai Brith Canada may be dissolving because even the jews can 
not stand the CRIMINAL MONEY LAUNDERING of BB for McVay's BUSINESS, 
and giving FRAUDULENT CHARITABLE DONATION RECEIPTS for payments
for McVay's BUSINESS!!

It must be jealousy that is causing all the goyim suckers to object 
to the fact that he can scam the IRS and CRA, by illegal money 
laundering through Bnai Brith and the San Antonio Area Foundation.

Now, with the Canadian tax Department - CRA - having authorised  an 
extra $30 million for a TAX FRAUD TAX FORCE, McVay and his 
co-conspirators in Bnai Brith will probably be joining criminal 
Bernardo in the pen!!

Plus, all those gullible crooks who used the FRAUDULENT charitable 
donation receipts given for payments to McVay's BUSINESS, will now 
get re-assessed, and have to pay taxes, penalties, and interest!!

CRA should be able to recover most of the $30 million just from McVay,
Bnai Brith, and the suckers using the fraudulent donation receipts for
McVay's BUSINESS!!


Even Jew groups, such as Sol Littman/Bnai Brith, have a website
criticising
Ken McVay at:
http://www.freedomsite.org/exposed/littman/littman_on_mcvay/index.shtml

PROOF THAT MCVAY SWINDLES EVERYONE, AND DOES NOT DECLARE INCOME FOR
TAXES!!

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/5863ead7b3942e76?fwc=1
Subject: $50,000 Not Reported to CCRA by The Nizkor Project? Ken McVay
is
Lying About Funds He Has Apparently NOT Reported to CCRA!! SAAF Report
for
2002 Is Further Proof! V3.5   T_0929
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 04:41:48 -0500
Message-ID: 

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.skeptic/msg/af974e5ec5085cce?fwc=1
(Archived locally as: McVaySlamDunked_A5 and McVaySlamDunked_A6)
Subject: SAAF San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund  -- Some New
Archives
and The Same Funding Lie by Ken McVay Exposed V3-0   T_0822
Message-ID: <3i9lg1p8efhpoda0r07vatjs87jmr1pfb3@4ax.com>
Date: 23 Aug 2005 04:32:17 GMT

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/56a1a43fe4f9d61d?fwc=1
Subject: The Nizkor Project Deals in Forged Documents and Smear
Financed With
Exempt Donations V3-2  T_0929
Message-ID: 
Date: 29 Sep 2005 15:34:29 GMT

All links have been updated such as internal GOOGLE links! Just
quoting parts
of the abov where McVay says one thing and then another pisses him
off!

Even ZHID groups are disgusted with McVay, as this website from BB
declares:
http://www.freedomsite.org/exposed/littman/littman_on_mcvay/index.shtml
Mamser Kenneth McVay,SOBC, convicted of child molesting 
and car theft in California and Oregon, the 
well-known fag in Canada,Fag McVay of Vancouver, 
also a convicted car thief and all round molester, 
and still unemployed  gas pump boy, mastermind of 
the Canadian branch of NAMBLA, now dying from AIDS,
wants all to know about all his fellow ZHID criminals and perverts.
Here is the latest.......

From: timguegen@NAMBLA.org
Subject: Re:NIZKOR/MCVAY SWINDLE CCRA - ALSO JEWS!!!
Date: Wed,  9 May 2001 20:59:21 +0200 (CEST)
From: NIZKOR WATCH .
Subject: WWW.NIZKOR.ORG IS A TAX SCAM AND YOU,
THE TAX PAYER, ARE FOOTING THE BILL!
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 23:46:30 -0600

One must wonder, who in CCRA is on the take,
that they do not prosecute for JEW TAX FRAUDS,
such as McVay/NIZKOR, or the BRONFMANS??

Straight from CCRA: "we have no record of a registered
charity by the name of Nizkor.org."
   
THIS  POST  FILED  WITH  CCRA

FOREWORD: Canadian revenue payers you need to contact
CCRA and ask them how a website is able to receive
"exempt donations" when it is neither a registered
charity or a Non Profit Organization.

In a new development, victims of the false NIZKOR 
charitable donation tax receipts may now contact a 
senior official of CCRA (Canadian IRS).

Call Mr.Philippe Robert
Special Investigations - Charities - CCRA
Phone : 1-800-267-2384, or 1-613-946-2423


The equivalent with IRS in the USA,  
2 phone numbers for:
IRS Criminal Investigations H.O.
1-800-829-0433
or, 202-622-7796

Looks like McVay/NIZKOR, as well as related crooks
will soon be joining their buddies in the slammer.


A letter (included below) from CCRA advises me they
never heard of NIZKOR.ORG so you all should be asking
how Nizkor is offering:
"Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax
receipt" when it is nothing more than a website!

It's YOUR tax dollars financing a man who pays HIMSELF
to defame private citizens!

http://www.nizkor.org/funding.shtml
Click here to learn how to make an exempt donation
Canadian receipt)

CCRA said: "we have no record of a registered charity
by the name of Nizkor.org." (Letter included below)
Only registered charities are allowed
to issue "Canadian receipts"!!

"A registered charity is a charity that has specifically
applied to the Canada Customs and Revenue Agency for
registration and has been accepted as such. A registered
charity can issue charitable receipts for tax purposes."
CCRA rule included below with web link for verification!

THE ONE-CREATURE BUSINESS, RUN BY MCVAY SOLELY TO
LINE HIS POCKETS, IN NO WAY IS A CHARITY AS SPECIFIED BY LAW!!!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

From: Charity webmail 
Sender: "Langdon, Blaine" 
To: Scott Bradbury 
Subject: Registered charity question.
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:23:26 -0500
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19)

Thank you for your e-mail.

The Charities Directorate of the Canada Customs and
Revenue Agency is responsible for the registration
and compliance of charities in Canada.
These organizations are similar to "exempt organizations"
as are registered in the United States.
However, we have no record of a registered charity
by the name of Nizkor.org.

Additionally, due to the confidentiality provisions
of the Canadian Income Tax Act, I am unable to
disclose information concerning a particular
organization's tax affairs, including measures
taken or to be taken by the Department resulting
>from complaints. However, I wish to assure you that
all complaints received by the Department are
treated seriously and are fully investigated,
where appropriate.

Finally, the annual information returns of
Canadian registered charities are available to
the public.
However, as you will note from the above,
Nizkor.org is not a registered charity.
The non-profit information return which you
describe is not available to the public.

Thank you for bringing your concerns to our attention.

Sincerely,
Blaine Langdon
Charities Directorate

~~~~END~~~~

LURKERS: here is how Ken McVay and his Nizkor business
is robbing you:

Folks I am getting CCRA's attention and you
all should be putting forth the effort to find
out just how and why a "website" receives "exempt
donations" and the proprietor "pays himself" from
such donations and also his website has issued
"tax receipts." This is a scam which bilks
the Canadian Tax Payer!

LOOK!

http://www.ccra-adrc.gc.ca/tax/nonprofit/menu-e.html
Non-profit organizations - Canadian Customs and Revenue Agency

Remember Canadian Tax Payers -
It is YOU who is subsidizing Nizkor!
Do you want your tax dollar subsidizing this web site?

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Nizkor=&rnum=16&seld=909625816&ic
=1&filter=0
From: kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Newsgroups:
alt.revisionism,bc.general,can.general,tor.general,on.general
Subject: Re: ATTENTION NIZKOR: Income Tax Guide to the Non-Profit
Organization (NPO) Information Return Form T1044
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 01:52:00 +0000 (UTC)
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
Message-ID: <99oro0$259r$1@news.tht.net>
References: 
<3abfe742$0$195@news.impulse.net>

On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 01:52:00 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>Nizkor is neither an NPO nor a Charity. Nizkor is a website.

Glad to see you making that a public record.
Care to explain how a website not being either an
"NPO nor a Charity" can operate as you
do and issue tax deduction receipts?

No personal attacks now McVay because I WILL HOLD
YOUR FEET TO THE FIRE! I think CCRA would be interested
in what you just declared too!

Personal attack is all people have when they can't
argue their position!
Has everyone ever noticed that trait in people who
have something to hide?

Why do you accept "exempt donations" and issue tax
receipts you bold faced liar and sleaze bag?
Answer that instead of making with the wise cracks.

You are NOT allowed by law to grant tax receipts
according to CCRA statutes which you so conveniently
deleted. The more you act like a pompous arrogant ass -
the more it makes me want to put you in your place.

YOU ARE A LIAR!

Canadian revenue payers take note of this sleazer!
He's being subsidized at your expense!

What sleaze bag McVay deleted because he doesn't want
to deal with it:

http://www.ccra-adrc.gc.ca/E/pub/tg/t4117eq/t4117eq.html#P131_12645

Income Tax Guide to the Non-Profit Organization (NPO)
Information Return Includes Form T1044
Visually impaired persons can get information on services
available to them, and can order publications in braille
or large print, or on audio cassette or computer diskette,
by calling 1-800-267-1267 weekdays from
8:15 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. (Eastern Time).

[...]

An NPO described in paragraph 149(1)(l) of the Income
Tax Act is a club,society, or association that is
organized and operated solely for:

social welfare;
civic improvement;
pleasure or recreation;
or any other purpose except profit.

Also, no part of the income of these organizations can
be payable to or otherwise available for the personal
benefit of any proprietor, member, or shareholder,
unless the proprietor, member, or shareholder was a
club, society,or association whose primary purpose
was to promote amateur athletics in Canada.

<>

Distinguishing non-profit organizations from registered
charities
An NPO is not a registered charity.
A registered charity is a charity that has specifically
applied to the Canada Customs and Revenue Agency for
registration and has been ACCEPTED by CCRA  as such.

A registered charity can issue charitable receipts for
tax purposes. An NPO does not have to register either
federally or provincially to maintain
its privileged tax status.

Generally, registered charities also have to disburse
80% of the funds for which they issued charitable receipts
on their own charitable activities or as gifts to qualified
donees.

NPOs cannot issue tax receipts for donations or membership
fees contributed, and they are not required to disburse a
specified percentage of their earnings.


Notice what CCRA said about "issu[ing] charitable receipts
for tax purposes"? Look at McVay's operation and see if it
complies with the law stated above:
"NPOs cannot issue tax receipts for donations.."
yet Ken McVay's very own BUSINESS - NIZKOR page says:
"Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt."
Ken McVay also claims that NIZKOR is NOT a charity
as shown down further in this post.

http://www.nizkor.org/funding.shtml
Click here to learn how to make an exempt donation (Canadian receipt)
http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html

The Nizkor Project is pleased to announce its
cooperative affiliation with the League for Human Rights
of B'nai Brith Canada. The League is a national volunteer
organization dedicated to combatting antisemitism,
racism and bigotry, and to promoting human rights
for all Canadians.

Donors wishing to use their VISA or MASTER CARD for their
donation may call B'nai Brith directly, at 1-416-633-6224,
and advise the receptionist that they wish to make a
donation to the Nizkor Project;
If you prefer, you can print this form and send to:

The Nizkor Project
c/o
The League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada
15 Hove Street
Toronto, Ontario M3H 4Y8

Name:________________________________________
Street Address:________________________________________________
City_________________State/Province__________Postal Code_______
E-Mail Address:_________________________________
Amount Enclosed: $___________

Please make your donations payable to "The League for
Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada," and add the words
"Nizkor Trust Fund" to the cheque's memo section.
A portion of amounts donated to the Trust Fund is used
to build the Nizkor Endowment Fund. If you prefer that
all of your donation be invested for Nizkor's future needs,
please earmark your cheque or draft with the notation
'For The Nizkor Endowment Fund Only.

(All bequests should be to the 'Nizkor Endowment Fund,
Care of The League for Human
Rights of B'nai Brith Canada'.)

Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt.
[#0235903-43-13]

-----------------------

Notice what is said above?
Look what Ken Mcvay has said not too long ago:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=charity=&rnum=4&seld=955885050&ic=1
From: Kenneth McVay, OBC (kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org)
Subject: Re: JEWS DUMPED FAG MCVAY!!!
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Date: 2000-12-05 13:46:34 PST

"McVay/Nizkor" has never issued tax receipts of any sort,
Mr.Grosvenor, so it's rather silly to suggest we got
"caught at it."



Notice how McVay says one thing and then says another?
His very own "website" says: "Donations over $10.00
will receive a Canadian tax receipt."
http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html
Yet in the post just above McVay said:
"McVay/Nizkor" has never issued tax receipts of any sort,
Mr. Grosvenor, so it's rather silly to suggest we
got "caught at it."

McVay is a LIAR anyway you look at it! I provided the
links to all of my proofs so that you all, the
concerned citizenry may verify my claims.

It is also plain that McVay does not claim Nizkor
to be a charitable organization as shown here:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=charitable=&rnum=1&seld=943267125&ic=1
From: Kenneth McVay, OBC (kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org)
Subject: Re: Is Ken McVay's WWW.NIZKOR.ORG A Sham
Which Gets its Director Spending Money? R 2
Date: 2001-01-06 00:00:08 PST

In article <8kjd5t0el7tbd9lv4o7tsg7hii3qmsgns9@4ax.com>,
Doc Tavish   wrote:
>We know that the Nizkor website relies on charitable
>donations in order to survive. We also accept that any
>organization whose survival depends on charitable
>donations should make its records open to the public.
>Will Ken McVay answer these questions as he is the sole
>director of Nizkor!

How does Mr. Bradbury "know" these things?
How does Mr. Bradbury "know" that Nizkor is a "charitable
organization?" (Can he show that anyone from Nizkor has
ever claimed to be such an organization?)



Well now we know Nizkor is not a "charitable organization"
so it has to be an NPO?!
So why does Ken McVay's NPO declare at its web page:
"Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt"
which would be in violation of: "NPOs cannot issue tax
receipts for donations" but Ken McVay lies to a person
who's an object of his smear campaign: "McVay/Nizkor" has
never issued tax receipts of any sort.."
Then again KcVay admitted higher up in this post:
"Nizkor is neither an NPO nor a Charity. Nizkor is a website."
See how NIZKOR skirts all criteria of the tax laws?

Does Nizkor or does Nizkor not look crooked?

Seeing how Ken McVay's Nizkor accepts "exempt donation[s]"
it would be interesting to see why the Canadian Government
actually approves an organization with such tax status to
operate under the conditions Ken McVay's Nizkor does.
To this very day Ken McVay will not answer these
questions:

1) What is the tax number of Nizkor?
2) What is the physical address of Nizkor?
3) What is the phone number of Nizkor?
4) Where can one find the organizational papers for Nizkor?
  a) How many people compose the Nizkor staff?
     According to ex-staffers who have posted articles to newsgroups,
McVay IS THE 
SOLE PAID EMPLOYEE OF THE BUSINESS!!!
  b) What are the financial responsibilities of Nizkor?
5) What is the evidence offered that Nizkor is authorized to
   solicit tax free contributions?
6) How much money does Nizkor Org receive yearly as charitable
donations?
7) You show below that you pay yourself-- what is your yearly pay?

Subject: Re: How much of a cut does the B'nai Brith get from Nizkor?
Date: 05/08/2000
Author: Kenneth McVay, OBC 

>f) Does Ken McVay pay himself a salary for his work for Nizkor?

Yup - I also appreciate revenue from public speaking and site
advertising.

~~~~~~~End Archival Excerpt~~~~~~

8) Is Nizkor proper (it's office and main facilities)
   located in a back room of your own residence as this says?
http://www.Xgeocities.com/dcjarviks/Idler/vIn15.htmlX
(Remove the X's to view the site, this is to help prevent
McVay from spamming the search engines. Link active March 24, 2001)

"A Voyage to Nanaimo-- It takes two hours to cross the
Georgia Strait by ferry from Vancouver, British Columbia,
another half-hour by jitney from the Nanaimo terminal to
reach the home of Kenneth N. McVay, webmaster for
The Nizkor Project . The address is an ordinary
suburban split-level in a middle-class neighborhood.
There is nothing distinctive about its location. ....
I am taken to a back room, filled with computer equipment,
monitors, and books... Seated in front of the array is
McVay, apparently a 50-something computer nerd. He is
tall, thin, with short hair and glasses, wired to the
world through his ISP. The Nizkor project which McVay
runs from this room in the back of his house... " 

A question for all reading this:
How many organizations which receive charitable
contributions operate from the backroom of the
director's home? He claims to be non-profit and
it appears that he would have a low overhead--
so how much money does Ken McVay receive for
his backroom operation?
Why won't Ken McVay make public his budget?

9) What sort of legitimate organization keeps
files on private citizens and publicly defames
people on its "hit list" as Nizkor does?

"Canada's Very Own Nizkor's Lies, Smears, and Defamation Answered"
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=digsig=&rnum=5&seld=921850669&ic=1
"Pathological Liar Tubby Edeiken's Perjured Fabricated Evidence"

To continually propagate information which has been
proven false, perjurious, and fabricated and by a person
who incited murder against the person he has litigated
is most deplorable BUT this is what Ken McVay's Nizkor
does with "exempt donation[s]."
An organization such as Nizkor would not be able to
operate in this manner in the United States
and perhaps this is why Ken McVay left the
United States to operate from Canada!>>

Time will tell. Those interested in finding out why
Nizkor can operate in this manner should contact:
http://www.ccra-adrc.gc.ca/contact/
which is the Canada Customs and Revenue Agency.

Nizkor would not be allowed to operate in the manner
it does in America and perhaps this is why Ken McVay,
director of Nizkor, diverts attention
>from having an American money pot!

[...]

For those who are curious, here the details of

the neutral people behind Mr Mazal:
His above website is registered by the
"San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" c/o BASIC of
600 Sandau Suite 400,
San Antonio, TX 78216, in Texas, USA.
The billing contact is Mr Harry Mazal of the same address:
San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund c/o BASIC,
600 Sandau, Suite 400, San Antonio, TX 78216,
and their phone number is 210-377-2422.
Somebody might like to check them out in more details.
We will be happy in the spirit of openness to post all
that we are told of these people.
It is the old Nizkor gang at work again.

	~~~~END~~~~

Again- Canadian tax payers- do you wish to subsidize Fag Ken McVay?
This disgusting filth's picture is at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg
Doc Tavish



If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website 
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn 
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.



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Who cares? One Middle East shithole attacking another Middle East 
shithole. It has no bearing on the UK or the US. The oil will still flow, 
no matter who occupies Gaza or the West Bank.

Since oil is the only thing we care about in that region, why is anyone 
except Jews interested in this?

And why does the US give billions to the Israeli shithole? What has the 
shithole done for us lately, or ever?



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Here is William Grosvenor's Civil suit that he lost.

http://tinyurl.com/5px2k7

http://tinyurl.com/6eqas7

Here is his felony conviction.  


http://tinyurl.com/8krxh8

                                      CRIMINAL CODE, 1953-54

                                          CONVICTION
                                     (C.C., ss. 482 and 713)

CANADA                      )
Province of British Columbia)
County of Prince Rupert     )           Regina vs. GROSVENOR
City of Prince Rupert       )

          Be it remembered that on the 29th day of April, A.D. 1970,
at Prince Rupert, B.C., William GROSVENOR, hereinafter called "the
accused", was tried under Part (XVI) of the Criminal Code upon the
chaqrge that he the accused between the 13th day of February, A.D.
1970 and the 16th day of February, A.D. 1970 both days inclusive, in
the City of Prince Rupert, in the Province of British Columbia, 
without reasonable justification or excuse and with intent to extort
money by threatening to prosecute Campbell McLEOD with an offense 
under the Companies Act of the Province of British Columbia,
UNLAWFULLY attempted to induce the said Campbell McLEOD to pay him,
the said William GROSVENOR, the sum of Fifty Dollars ($50.00),

CONTRARY TO THE FORM OF STATUTE IN SUCH CASE MADE AND PROVIDED:

was convicted of the said offense, and the following punishment
was imposed upon him, namely: That the said accused be imprisoned
in the Prince George Regional Goal at Prince George, B.C. for the
term of one (1) day and in addition forfeit and pay the sum of
FOUR HUNDRED ($400.00) dollars, to be applied according to law, 
and also pay to the Court the sum of Nil dollars in respect to
costs, and in default of payment of the said sums forthwith or
before 29-Jul-70 to be imprisoned in the Prince George Regional
Goal at Prince George, B.C. for the term of TWO (2) MONTHS
unless the said sums and costs and charges to the said prison
are sooner paid.

          Dated this 29th day of Apri., A.D. 1970 at
Prince Rupert, B.C.

                       (D.K. McADAM)
                       -------------------------------
                       A Judge in and for the Province
                       of British Columbia, specially
                       authorized by the terms of his
                       appointment to exercise juris-
                       diction under Part XVI of the
                       Criminal Code.

Certified as a true copy of the
original order of conviction

(Signature illegible)

In and for the Province of
British Columbia.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++
Tell it to the judge Grosvenor



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Here is William Grosvenor's Civil suit that he lost.

http://tinyurl.com/5px2k7

http://tinyurl.com/6eqas7

Here is his felony conviction. 

http://tinyurl.com/8krxh8

                                      CRIMINAL CODE, 1953-54

                                          CONVICTION
                                     (C.C., ss. 482 and 713)

CANADA                      )
Province of British Columbia)
County of Prince Rupert     )           Regina vs. GROSVENOR
City of Prince Rupert       )

          Be it remembered that on the 29th day of April, A.D. 1970,
at Prince Rupert, B.C., William GROSVENOR, hereinafter called "the
accused", was tried under Part (XVI) of the Criminal Code upon the
chaqrge that he the accused between the 13th day of February, A.D.
1970 and the 16th day of February, A.D. 1970 both days inclusive, in
the City of Prince Rupert, in the Province of British Columbia, 
without reasonable justification or excuse and with intent to extort
money by threatening to prosecute Campbell McLEOD with an offense 
under the Companies Act of the Province of British Columbia,
UNLAWFULLY attempted to induce the said Campbell McLEOD to pay him,
the said William GROSVENOR, the sum of Fifty Dollars ($50.00),

CONTRARY TO THE FORM OF STATUTE IN SUCH CASE MADE AND PROVIDED:

was convicted of the said offense, and the following punishment
was imposed upon him, namely: That the said accused be imprisoned
in the Prince George Regional Goal at Prince George, B.C. for the
term of one (1) day and in addition forfeit and pay the sum of
FOUR HUNDRED ($400.00) dollars, to be applied according to law, 
and also pay to the Court the sum of Nil dollars in respect to
costs, and in default of payment of the said sums forthwith or
before 29-Jul-70 to be imprisoned in the Prince George Regional
Goal at Prince George, B.C. for the term of TWO (2) MONTHS
unless the said sums and costs and charges to the said prison
are sooner paid.

          Dated this 29th day of Apri., A.D. 1970 at
Prince Rupert, B.C.

                       (D.K. McADAM)
                       -------------------------------
                       A Judge in and for the Province
                       of British Columbia, specially
                       authorized by the terms of his
                       appointment to exercise juris-
                       diction under Part XVI of the
                       Criminal Code.

Certified as a true copy of the
original order of conviction

(Signature illegible)

In and for the Province of
British Columbia.

++++++++++++++++++++++
Tell it to the judge Grosvenor



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Pissing Off The Reichtards wrote:
>On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 22:35:02 GMT, usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai
>(Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote:
>
>>Hoosiers file suit challenging Obama's birth status
>>
>>By Tim Evans
>>Indy.com 
>>Thursday, December 25, 2008
>>
>>As officials in Washington prepare for the inauguration of
>
>
>It just goes to show that Indiana isn't immune from this sort of extreme
>crackpotttery that goes with the reich wing..  
>
>This this is on the same level as Nancy Luft except Nancy's mental condition is
>well known.

  If it was only those outside the loop, you might be right.  But there is mounting
dissent inside the loop.  External hostilities are increasing as well.  That Obama
is black is no coincidence.  You got to figure, trouble is brewing.





























 

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Pissing Off The Reichtards wrote:
>On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 03:42:44 +0100 (CET), George Orwell  wrote:
>>  If it was only those outside the loop, you might be right.  But there is mounting
>>dissent inside the loop.  External hostilities are increasing as well.  That Obama
>>is black is no coincidence.  You got to figure, trouble is brewing.
>
>Only in the the GOP and Racist loon coops.  Hawaii verified the information.
>Anyone inside the "loop" that thinks this is an issue has got a long row to
>hoe.
>
>Welcome your new President Elect Barak HUSSAIN Obama.  Got a real nice ring to
>it.  The reich wing can scream, squirm, piss, and moan but that won't change
>the facts.

  He who laughs last, laughs best.




























 

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Subject: SPY ON THE NAZI-JEWS LIKE THE ROTHSCHILDS
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You MUST identify who and where people who work for the NAZI-Jews or the Rothschilds live and spy on them and learn all their habits and contacts (use of watchlists is highly recommended and please do share those watchlists, and assume "good faith" with your neigbors)! 

They must know they are under our constant vigilant surveillance. We are the vast majority! They (those racist muderers and terrorists) cannot defeat us if we remain united and peaceful. 


Exchange those files by using peer-to-peer software like Kazzaa. It can soon become a huge database to defend Christianity against the NAZI-Jews. 


In Jesus'name, 


AMEN! 


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From: George Orwell 
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Subject: Frank Arthur=Pervert Still-Loves To Diddle Kids
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On Fri, 8 June 2007 12:45:29 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  
wrote:

>The poster using Frank Arthur is a fraud.[me]

>I am the legitimate Frank Arthur and I did not post to this newsgroup.

I am  certifiably insane, and just another ZYD liar, since I have
constantly been posting to this, and many other newsgroups!!

>The pervert who used my name is a person of no honor.
>He is known as Grosvomit from Canada

There have never been any postings by anyone named Grosvomit,
just piles of articles by me, Frank Arthur, posing as Grosvomit.

>The way to know if I am the legitimate Frank Arthur it will show
>on the gray tab:

>Organization: BellSouth Internet Group

There are no gray tabs on newsgroup articles, which proves
I am a certifiable lunatic.

Many people think that I am really gay Ken McVay, hehehe.


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case -
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
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Canadian Jew News on page 2 of the issue for January 1 2009 reports:

Leading newspaper in Greece, Avriani, call Madoff's ponzi scam
" the Jewish Connection".

The article was headlined on the front page, with another five pages
in the issue of the newspaper for December 21 2008.

At least 6 times was emphasised that Madoff was a ZYD, as well as 
emphasising that ZYDS are behind all the world's problems with financial 
institutions.

ADL: Financial crisis sparking anti-Semitic upsurge on Internet
From: O.Peters 
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:18:34 -0600
Cc:

On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:47:11 GMT,
, "007" <007@world.org> 
wrote:

      ADL: Financial crisis sparking anti-Semitic upsurge on Internet

      By Shlomo Shamir, Haaretz Correspondent

      Tags: Israel News, Financial crisis

      The Anti-Defamation League reported Thursday a major upsurge in the
number of anti-Semitic postings on the Internet relating to the financial
crisis engulfing the United States.

      The Jewish-American organization cited hundreds of posts regarding 
the
bankrupt investment bank Lehman Brothers and other institutions affected by
the subprime mortgage crisis. The messages railed against Jews in general,
with some charging that Jews control the U.S. government and finance as 
part
of a "Jew world order" and therefore are to blame for the economic turmoil.

      Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director, said: "We know from modern
history that whenever there is a downturn in the global economy, there will
be an upturn in the level of anti-Semitism and bigotry, and that is what we
are seeing now."

      http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1025970.html


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website
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Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case -
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
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Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

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It's a cliche that as you get older you become a stranger to chunks of 
the society you live in.

I am not a recluse, but I know it has happened to me, not that I really 
care; but I noticed a striking instance of it today in a story about 
Starbucks laying off another 1000 employees.

The story is at 
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/
businesstechnology/2008665670_starbucks24.html

In the story it says: No barista jobs are in jeopardy....

I have a pretty good vocabulary, but I had never heard of this 'barista' 
job before, so I checked wikipedia and found this:

"When using the term in English jargon, "barista" refers to one who has 
acquired some level of expertise in the preparation of espresso-based 
coffee drinks."

Well, that explains the word, but it doesn't explain why the writer of 
the story, Melissa Allison, would drop the word in as if the average man 
would know what it meant.

Is it possible that the average man *does* know what the word means? If 
so, then I have truly become fossilized.


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Loathesome Molester McVay-Cheating IRS & CRA-Now B'Nai Brith
Dissolving?

Now  B'nai Brith Canada may be dissolving because even the jews can 
not stand the CRIMINAL MONEY LAUNDERING of BB for McVay's BUSINESS, 
and giving FRAUDULENT CHARITABLE DONATION RECEIPTS for payments
for McVay's BUSINESS!!

It must be jealousy that is causing all the goyim suckers to object 
to the fact that he can scam the IRS and CRA, by illegal money 
laundering through Bnai Brith and the San Antonio Area Foundation.

Now, with the Canadian tax Department - CRA - having authorised  an 
extra $30 million for a TAX FRAUD TAX FORCE, McVay and his 
co-conspirators in Bnai Brith will probably be joining criminal 
Bernardo in the pen!!

Plus, all those gullible crooks who used the FRAUDULENT charitable 
donation receipts given for payments to McVay's BUSINESS, will now 
get re-assessed, and have to pay taxes, penalties, and interest!!

CRA should be able to recover most of the $30 million just from McVay,
Bnai Brith, and the suckers using the fraudulent donation receipts for
McVay's BUSINESS!!


Even Jew groups, such as Sol Littman/Bnai Brith, have a website
criticising
Ken McVay at:
http://www.freedomsite.org/exposed/littman/littman_on_mcvay/index.shtml

PROOF THAT MCVAY SWINDLES EVERYONE, AND DOES NOT DECLARE INCOME FOR
TAXES!!

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/5863ead7b3942e76?fwc=1
Subject: $50,000 Not Reported to CCRA by The Nizkor Project? Ken McVay
is
Lying About Funds He Has Apparently NOT Reported to CCRA!! SAAF Report
for
2002 Is Further Proof! V3.5   T_0929
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 04:41:48 -0500
Message-ID: 

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.skeptic/msg/af974e5ec5085cce?fwc=1
(Archived locally as: McVaySlamDunked_A5 and McVaySlamDunked_A6)
Subject: SAAF San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund  -- Some New
Archives
and The Same Funding Lie by Ken McVay Exposed V3-0   T_0822
Message-ID: <3i9lg1p8efhpoda0r07vatjs87jmr1pfb3@4ax.com>
Date: 23 Aug 2005 04:32:17 GMT

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/56a1a43fe4f9d61d?fwc=1
Subject: The Nizkor Project Deals in Forged Documents and Smear
Financed With
Exempt Donations V3-2  T_0929
Message-ID: 
Date: 29 Sep 2005 15:34:29 GMT

All links have been updated such as internal GOOGLE links! Just
quoting parts
of the abov where McVay says one thing and then another pisses him
off!

Even ZHID groups are disgusted with McVay, as this website from BB
declares:
http://www.freedomsite.org/exposed/littman/littman_on_mcvay/index.shtml
Mamser Kenneth McVay,SOBC, convicted of child molesting 
and car theft in California and Oregon, the 
well-known fag in Canada,Fag McVay of Vancouver, 
also a convicted car thief and all round molester, 
and still unemployed  gas pump boy, mastermind of 
the Canadian branch of NAMBLA, now dying from AIDS,
wants all to know about all his fellow ZHID criminals and perverts.
Here is the latest.......

From: timguegen@NAMBLA.org
Subject: Re:NIZKOR/MCVAY SWINDLE CCRA - ALSO JEWS!!!
Date: Wed,  9 May 2001 20:59:21 +0200 (CEST)
From: NIZKOR WATCH .
Subject: WWW.NIZKOR.ORG IS A TAX SCAM AND YOU,
THE TAX PAYER, ARE FOOTING THE BILL!
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 23:46:30 -0600

One must wonder, who in CCRA is on the take,
that they do not prosecute for JEW TAX FRAUDS,
such as McVay/NIZKOR, or the BRONFMANS??

Straight from CCRA: "we have no record of a registered
charity by the name of Nizkor.org."
   
THIS  POST  FILED  WITH  CCRA

FOREWORD: Canadian revenue payers you need to contact
CCRA and ask them how a website is able to receive
"exempt donations" when it is neither a registered
charity or a Non Profit Organization.

In a new development, victims of the false NIZKOR 
charitable donation tax receipts may now contact a 
senior official of CCRA (Canadian IRS).

Call Mr.Philippe Robert
Special Investigations - Charities - CCRA
Phone : 1-800-267-2384, or 1-613-946-2423


The equivalent with IRS in the USA,  
2 phone numbers for:
IRS Criminal Investigations H.O.
1-800-829-0433
or, 202-622-7796

Looks like McVay/NIZKOR, as well as related crooks
will soon be joining their buddies in the slammer.


A letter (included below) from CCRA advises me they
never heard of NIZKOR.ORG so you all should be asking
how Nizkor is offering:
"Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax
receipt" when it is nothing more than a website!

It's YOUR tax dollars financing a man who pays HIMSELF
to defame private citizens!

http://www.nizkor.org/funding.shtml
Click here to learn how to make an exempt donation
Canadian receipt)

CCRA said: "we have no record of a registered charity
by the name of Nizkor.org." (Letter included below)
Only registered charities are allowed
to issue "Canadian receipts"!!

"A registered charity is a charity that has specifically
applied to the Canada Customs and Revenue Agency for
registration and has been accepted as such. A registered
charity can issue charitable receipts for tax purposes."
CCRA rule included below with web link for verification!

THE ONE-CREATURE BUSINESS, RUN BY MCVAY SOLELY TO
LINE HIS POCKETS, IN NO WAY IS A CHARITY AS SPECIFIED BY LAW!!!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

From: Charity webmail 
Sender: "Langdon, Blaine" 
To: Scott Bradbury 
Subject: Registered charity question.
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:23:26 -0500
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19)

Thank you for your e-mail.

The Charities Directorate of the Canada Customs and
Revenue Agency is responsible for the registration
and compliance of charities in Canada.
These organizations are similar to "exempt organizations"
as are registered in the United States.
However, we have no record of a registered charity
by the name of Nizkor.org.

Additionally, due to the confidentiality provisions
of the Canadian Income Tax Act, I am unable to
disclose information concerning a particular
organization's tax affairs, including measures
taken or to be taken by the Department resulting
>from complaints. However, I wish to assure you that
all complaints received by the Department are
treated seriously and are fully investigated,
where appropriate.

Finally, the annual information returns of
Canadian registered charities are available to
the public.
However, as you will note from the above,
Nizkor.org is not a registered charity.
The non-profit information return which you
describe is not available to the public.

Thank you for bringing your concerns to our attention.

Sincerely,
Blaine Langdon
Charities Directorate

~~~~END~~~~

LURKERS: here is how Ken McVay and his Nizkor business
is robbing you:

Folks I am getting CCRA's attention and you
all should be putting forth the effort to find
out just how and why a "website" receives "exempt
donations" and the proprietor "pays himself" from
such donations and also his website has issued
"tax receipts." This is a scam which bilks
the Canadian Tax Payer!

LOOK!

http://www.ccra-adrc.gc.ca/tax/nonprofit/menu-e.html
Non-profit organizations - Canadian Customs and Revenue Agency

Remember Canadian Tax Payers -
It is YOU who is subsidizing Nizkor!
Do you want your tax dollar subsidizing this web site?

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Nizkor=&rnum=16&seld=909625816&ic
=1&filter=0
From: kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Newsgroups:
alt.revisionism,bc.general,can.general,tor.general,on.general
Subject: Re: ATTENTION NIZKOR: Income Tax Guide to the Non-Profit
Organization (NPO) Information Return Form T1044
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 01:52:00 +0000 (UTC)
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
Message-ID: <99oro0$259r$1@news.tht.net>
References: 
<3abfe742$0$195@news.impulse.net>

On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 01:52:00 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>Nizkor is neither an NPO nor a Charity. Nizkor is a website.

Glad to see you making that a public record.
Care to explain how a website not being either an
"NPO nor a Charity" can operate as you
do and issue tax deduction receipts?

No personal attacks now McVay because I WILL HOLD
YOUR FEET TO THE FIRE! I think CCRA would be interested
in what you just declared too!

Personal attack is all people have when they can't
argue their position!
Has everyone ever noticed that trait in people who
have something to hide?

Why do you accept "exempt donations" and issue tax
receipts you bold faced liar and sleaze bag?
Answer that instead of making with the wise cracks.

You are NOT allowed by law to grant tax receipts
according to CCRA statutes which you so conveniently
deleted. The more you act like a pompous arrogant ass -
the more it makes me want to put you in your place.

YOU ARE A LIAR!

Canadian revenue payers take note of this sleazer!
He's being subsidized at your expense!

What sleaze bag McVay deleted because he doesn't want
to deal with it:

http://www.ccra-adrc.gc.ca/E/pub/tg/t4117eq/t4117eq.html#P131_12645

Income Tax Guide to the Non-Profit Organization (NPO)
Information Return Includes Form T1044
Visually impaired persons can get information on services
available to them, and can order publications in braille
or large print, or on audio cassette or computer diskette,
by calling 1-800-267-1267 weekdays from
8:15 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. (Eastern Time).

[...]

An NPO described in paragraph 149(1)(l) of the Income
Tax Act is a club,society, or association that is
organized and operated solely for:

social welfare;
civic improvement;
pleasure or recreation;
or any other purpose except profit.

Also, no part of the income of these organizations can
be payable to or otherwise available for the personal
benefit of any proprietor, member, or shareholder,
unless the proprietor, member, or shareholder was a
club, society,or association whose primary purpose
was to promote amateur athletics in Canada.

<>

Distinguishing non-profit organizations from registered
charities
An NPO is not a registered charity.
A registered charity is a charity that has specifically
applied to the Canada Customs and Revenue Agency for
registration and has been ACCEPTED by CCRA  as such.

A registered charity can issue charitable receipts for
tax purposes. An NPO does not have to register either
federally or provincially to maintain
its privileged tax status.

Generally, registered charities also have to disburse
80% of the funds for which they issued charitable receipts
on their own charitable activities or as gifts to qualified
donees.

NPOs cannot issue tax receipts for donations or membership
fees contributed, and they are not required to disburse a
specified percentage of their earnings.


Notice what CCRA said about "issu[ing] charitable receipts
for tax purposes"? Look at McVay's operation and see if it
complies with the law stated above:
"NPOs cannot issue tax receipts for donations.."
yet Ken McVay's very own BUSINESS - NIZKOR page says:
"Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt."
Ken McVay also claims that NIZKOR is NOT a charity
as shown down further in this post.

http://www.nizkor.org/funding.shtml
Click here to learn how to make an exempt donation (Canadian receipt)
http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html

The Nizkor Project is pleased to announce its
cooperative affiliation with the League for Human Rights
of B'nai Brith Canada. The League is a national volunteer
organization dedicated to combatting antisemitism,
racism and bigotry, and to promoting human rights
for all Canadians.

Donors wishing to use their VISA or MASTER CARD for their
donation may call B'nai Brith directly, at 1-416-633-6224,
and advise the receptionist that they wish to make a
donation to the Nizkor Project;
If you prefer, you can print this form and send to:

The Nizkor Project
c/o
The League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada
15 Hove Street
Toronto, Ontario M3H 4Y8

Name:________________________________________
Street Address:________________________________________________
City_________________State/Province__________Postal Code_______
E-Mail Address:_________________________________
Amount Enclosed: $___________

Please make your donations payable to "The League for
Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada," and add the words
"Nizkor Trust Fund" to the cheque's memo section.
A portion of amounts donated to the Trust Fund is used
to build the Nizkor Endowment Fund. If you prefer that
all of your donation be invested for Nizkor's future needs,
please earmark your cheque or draft with the notation
'For The Nizkor Endowment Fund Only.

(All bequests should be to the 'Nizkor Endowment Fund,
Care of The League for Human
Rights of B'nai Brith Canada'.)

Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt.
[#0235903-43-13]

-----------------------

Notice what is said above?
Look what Ken Mcvay has said not too long ago:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=charity=&rnum=4&seld=955885050&ic=1
From: Kenneth McVay, OBC (kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org)
Subject: Re: JEWS DUMPED FAG MCVAY!!!
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Date: 2000-12-05 13:46:34 PST

"McVay/Nizkor" has never issued tax receipts of any sort,
Mr.Grosvenor, so it's rather silly to suggest we got
"caught at it."



Notice how McVay says one thing and then says another?
His very own "website" says: "Donations over $10.00
will receive a Canadian tax receipt."
http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html
Yet in the post just above McVay said:
"McVay/Nizkor" has never issued tax receipts of any sort,
Mr. Grosvenor, so it's rather silly to suggest we
got "caught at it."

McVay is a LIAR anyway you look at it! I provided the
links to all of my proofs so that you all, the
concerned citizenry may verify my claims.

It is also plain that McVay does not claim Nizkor
to be a charitable organization as shown here:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=charitable=&rnum=1&seld=943267125&ic=1
From: Kenneth McVay, OBC (kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org)
Subject: Re: Is Ken McVay's WWW.NIZKOR.ORG A Sham
Which Gets its Director Spending Money? R 2
Date: 2001-01-06 00:00:08 PST

In article <8kjd5t0el7tbd9lv4o7tsg7hii3qmsgns9@4ax.com>,
Doc Tavish   wrote:
>We know that the Nizkor website relies on charitable
>donations in order to survive. We also accept that any
>organization whose survival depends on charitable
>donations should make its records open to the public.
>Will Ken McVay answer these questions as he is the sole
>director of Nizkor!

How does Mr. Bradbury "know" these things?
How does Mr. Bradbury "know" that Nizkor is a "charitable
organization?" (Can he show that anyone from Nizkor has
ever claimed to be such an organization?)



Well now we know Nizkor is not a "charitable organization"
so it has to be an NPO?!
So why does Ken McVay's NPO declare at its web page:
"Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt"
which would be in violation of: "NPOs cannot issue tax
receipts for donations" but Ken McVay lies to a person
who's an object of his smear campaign: "McVay/Nizkor" has
never issued tax receipts of any sort.."
Then again KcVay admitted higher up in this post:
"Nizkor is neither an NPO nor a Charity. Nizkor is a website."
See how NIZKOR skirts all criteria of the tax laws?

Does Nizkor or does Nizkor not look crooked?

Seeing how Ken McVay's Nizkor accepts "exempt donation[s]"
it would be interesting to see why the Canadian Government
actually approves an organization with such tax status to
operate under the conditions Ken McVay's Nizkor does.
To this very day Ken McVay will not answer these
questions:

1) What is the tax number of Nizkor?
2) What is the physical address of Nizkor?
3) What is the phone number of Nizkor?
4) Where can one find the organizational papers for Nizkor?
  a) How many people compose the Nizkor staff?
     According to ex-staffers who have posted articles to newsgroups,
McVay IS THE 
SOLE PAID EMPLOYEE OF THE BUSINESS!!!
  b) What are the financial responsibilities of Nizkor?
5) What is the evidence offered that Nizkor is authorized to
   solicit tax free contributions?
6) How much money does Nizkor Org receive yearly as charitable
donations?
7) You show below that you pay yourself-- what is your yearly pay?

Subject: Re: How much of a cut does the B'nai Brith get from Nizkor?
Date: 05/08/2000
Author: Kenneth McVay, OBC 

>f) Does Ken McVay pay himself a salary for his work for Nizkor?

Yup - I also appreciate revenue from public speaking and site
advertising.

~~~~~~~End Archival Excerpt~~~~~~

8) Is Nizkor proper (it's office and main facilities)
   located in a back room of your own residence as this says?
http://www.Xgeocities.com/dcjarviks/Idler/vIn15.htmlX
(Remove the X's to view the site, this is to help prevent
McVay from spamming the search engines. Link active March 24, 2001)

"A Voyage to Nanaimo-- It takes two hours to cross the
Georgia Strait by ferry from Vancouver, British Columbia,
another half-hour by jitney from the Nanaimo terminal to
reach the home of Kenneth N. McVay, webmaster for
The Nizkor Project . The address is an ordinary
suburban split-level in a middle-class neighborhood.
There is nothing distinctive about its location. ....
I am taken to a back room, filled with computer equipment,
monitors, and books... Seated in front of the array is
McVay, apparently a 50-something computer nerd. He is
tall, thin, with short hair and glasses, wired to the
world through his ISP. The Nizkor project which McVay
runs from this room in the back of his house... " 

A question for all reading this:
How many organizations which receive charitable
contributions operate from the backroom of the
director's home? He claims to be non-profit and
it appears that he would have a low overhead--
so how much money does Ken McVay receive for
his backroom operation?
Why won't Ken McVay make public his budget?

9) What sort of legitimate organization keeps
files on private citizens and publicly defames
people on its "hit list" as Nizkor does?

"Canada's Very Own Nizkor's Lies, Smears, and Defamation Answered"
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=digsig=&rnum=5&seld=921850669&ic=1
"Pathological Liar Tubby Edeiken's Perjured Fabricated Evidence"

To continually propagate information which has been
proven false, perjurious, and fabricated and by a person
who incited murder against the person he has litigated
is most deplorable BUT this is what Ken McVay's Nizkor
does with "exempt donation[s]."
An organization such as Nizkor would not be able to
operate in this manner in the United States
and perhaps this is why Ken McVay left the
United States to operate from Canada!>>

Time will tell. Those interested in finding out why
Nizkor can operate in this manner should contact:
http://www.ccra-adrc.gc.ca/contact/
which is the Canada Customs and Revenue Agency.

Nizkor would not be allowed to operate in the manner
it does in America and perhaps this is why Ken McVay,
director of Nizkor, diverts attention
>from having an American money pot!

[...]

For those who are curious, here the details of

the neutral people behind Mr Mazal:
His above website is registered by the
"San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" c/o BASIC of
600 Sandau Suite 400,
San Antonio, TX 78216, in Texas, USA.
The billing contact is Mr Harry Mazal of the same address:
San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund c/o BASIC,
600 Sandau, Suite 400, San Antonio, TX 78216,
and their phone number is 210-377-2422.
Somebody might like to check them out in more details.
We will be happy in the spirit of openness to post all
that we are told of these people.
It is the old Nizkor gang at work again.

	~~~~END~~~~

Again- Canadian tax payers- do you wish to subsidize Fag Ken McVay?
This disgusting filth's picture is at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg
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ZYD Ritual Murder of Children/Ritual Morder der Kinder - Documented

On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:44:15 -0400, in alt.politics.nationalism.white 
"Whip"
 wrote:

"JEWISH RITUAL MURDERS" IN RUSSIA
FIVE CHILDREN FOUND DEAD IN PIT;
BLOOD DRAINED FROM BODIES!
CORPSES WERE SET ON FIRE TO HIDE BLOOD DRAINING

On April 16, 2005, just a week before the beginning the the Jewish Passover
on April 23, five children, Muslim and Christian, "disappeared" in the
Russian Siberian city of Krasnoyarsk.  Their burnt bodies have been found 
in
a sewage pit.

A popular Russian daily, Komsomolskaya Pravda, writes today that many
Russians in the city are convinced that the children were ritually murdered
by local Jews who later burnt their bodies to conceal the crime and prevent
experts to find in the bodies the lack of blood which is used by Hasidic
Jews for ritual purposes.

Few people in the city believe that the Jewish murderers ever come to trial
and that the murders would be properly clarified by police investigaters in
present-day new democratic Russia.

Vladimir Salamatov, the lawyer representing the interests of the parents of
the murdered children told the paper that 5 independent experts confirmed
the lack of hemoglobine (red substance in human blood) in all burnt bodies.

"I am sure that it was a ritual murder with exsanguination", he said.

Evgeny Kazantsev, the Head of Untraditional Religious Groups Monitoring
Center, agrees that it was a ritual murder.

A Moscow independent researcher and journalist, Mikhail Nazarov, stresses
that there is a large Jewish community in Krasnoyarsk and that the
authorities do their best to conceal this ritual murder committed by the
Jews. A witness reported seeing the bodies of the children thrown intact in
the pit as proscribed by the Jewish ritual and then somebody burnt then to
conceal ritual wounds in specific places of the bodies made for the
exsanguination, Mr nazarov said.

The researcher reminded of a well-known case of the ritual murder of a
10-year-old Christian child, Andyusha Yushchinsky in Kiev in 1913. A local
Jewish community activist, Beilis, was arrested and accused of the murder
and later released by a court because of insufficient evidence, with a 
minor
overweight among the jury.

"The murder of Andryusha Yushchinsky also took place few day before the
Jewish Passover, his body was also exsanguinated and thrown off without
burial", Mr Nazarov said.

"And Beilis belonged to the same Lubavichi Hasidic branch of Judaism as the
present Chief Rabbi of Russia Berl Lazar who ... copies American gangstes
practises (he was born in the US) and acts with support of Jewish 
oligarchs,
the Kransnoyarsk Chief Rabbi Wagner and the Jewish Governor of the
Krasnoyarsk Territory Khloponin", Mr. Nazarov added in his interview with
the Moscow paper.

http://krsk.kp.ru/2006/09/20/doc137434/



On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:06:27 -0600, Frank Arthur  wrote:

>A well researched and documented article,deserving re-posting worldwide.

>On 4 Apr 2007 21:01:42 -0700, in alt.politics.nationalism.white "dsfkfnir
>lfdsjsafd"  wrote:

>BIBLIOGRAPHY OF WORKS SUPPORTING
>THE BLOOD ACCUSATION.

>Acta Sanctorum. This is the work of the Bollandists, who were a band
>of Jesuits devoting themselves to historical record between 1643 and
>1883. The volumes in which they recorded various ritual murders by
>Jews are mainly those written in the seventeenth century.

> Histoire Universelle de l'Englise Catholique, by Abbe Rohrbacher
>(Gaume et Freres, 1845).

> Lives of the Saints, by Alban Butler.

> Dizionario Ecclesiastico, Vol. 64-66 (Semenario Peo-scire, Venice,
>1853-4).

> Annales Ecclesiastici, ab 1198, p. 568, by O. Raynaldus, 1753. These
>two deal with the case of St. Simon of Trent.

> Catholic Bulletin, August, 1916 (published at Dublin, M. H. Gill &
>Sons).

> Cahiers Romains, Catholic publication in Rome, 29th November, 1913.

> Acts and Monuments of the Church, by John Foxe, 1563.

> A Short Demurrer to the Jewes long discontinued Remitter into
>England, by William Prynne, 1656.

> Les Juifs devant l'Eglise et l' Histoire, by Rev. Father Constant.

> Meine Antworten an die Rabbiner: Funf Briefe uber den Talmudismus und
>das Blut-Ritual der Juden, by August Rohling (1883), Canon of Prague
>Cathedral.

> La France Juive, by Edouard Drumont. Obtainable from M. Petit, 12 rue
>Laugier, Paris 17. 70 francs.

> Le Juif, le Judaisme et la Judaisation des Peuples Chretiens, by
>Gougenot des Mousseaux, Chevalier, 1886. The whole of Chapter VI is
>devoted to Ritual Murders.

> Le Mystère du Sang chez les Juifs de tous les Temps, by Henri
>Desportes, 1889 (Savine).

> Le Crime Rituel chez les Juifs, by A. Monniot, 1914. Obtainable from
>M. Petit, 12 rue Laugier, Paris 17. 10 francs. An excellent general
>guide to the whole subject, with preface by Edouard Drumont. It was
>Drumont who exposed the Jewish Panama scandals.

> Der Ritual Mord bei den Juden, by Eugen Brandt.

> Ritual Morde, by Ottokar Stauf von der March (Hammer Verlag).

> Judische Moral und Blut Mysterium, by A. Fern, 1927.

> Der Ritual Mord, by G. Utikal. This book is recommended by the Reich
>Office for the Promotion of German Literature as "a truly national
>representation of Jewish Ritual Murder."

> Das Blut in Judischen Schriftum, by Dr. Bischoff, 1929.

> Der Stürmer, Special Ritual Murder Issue, dated May, 1934, Nuremburg.
>The reader should not be prejudiced by the Jewish campaign of hate
>against the editor of Der Stürmer. The Ritual Murder issue is a
>valuable historical record.

> The Jew, the Gypsy, and El Islam, by Sir Richard Burton, edited by W.
>H. Wilkins (Hutchinson, 1898).

> Isabella of Spain, by W. T. Walsh, 1931 (Sheed & Ward), pp. 125,
>439-468, and 628.
>References to other authorities in particular cases of Ritual Murder
>are made in the text when describing these cases.

>To the above list should be added a recent work intended to clear the
>Jews from the Blood Accusation, but which, at least in my own opinion,
>appears to support it: -- The Ritual Murder Libel and the Jews, by C.
>Roth (Woburn Press, 1935)


From: "9/11 Wasn't Real" 
Subject: 2000 years of jewish ritual murder
Date: 7 Mar 2007 07:40:31 -0800


The earliest of historians, Herodotus, informs us about the Hebrew
cult of human sacrifice. He writes:

"The Hebrews sacrificed humans to their God Moloch." (Herodotus, Vol.
II, p. 45)

The known ritual murders that have been passed down through writings
since before the time of Christ until today are:

169 B.C. -- "King Antiochus Epiphanes of Syria, during the plundering
of the Temple of Jerusalem, found a Greek lying on a bed in a secret
chamber. He begged the King to rescue him. When he began to beg, the
attendants told him that a secret law commanded the Jews to sacrifice
human beings at a certain time annually. They therefore searched for a
stranger which they could get in their power. They fattened him, led
him into the woods, sacrificed him, ate some of his flesh, drank some
of his blood, and threw the remains of his body into a
ditch." (Josephus, Jewish historian, Contra Apionem)

418 A.D. -- Baronius reports the crucifixion of a boy by the Jews at
Imm, between Aleppo and Antioch.

419 A.D. -- In the Syrian district of Imnestar, between Chalcis and
Antioch, the Jews tied a Christian boy to a cross on a holiday and
flogged him to death. (Socrat)

425 A.D. -- Baronius reports the crucifixion of a boy.

614 A.D. -- After the conquest of Jerusalem, the Jews purchased, for a
small amount of money, 90,000 prisoners from the Persian King Chosros
II and murdered them all in the most disgusting ways. (Cluverius,
Epitome his. p. 386)

1071 A.D. -- Several Jews from Blois crucified a child during the
Easter celebration, put his body into a sack and threw it into the
Loire. Count Theobald had the guilty ones burned alive. (Robert of
Mons, Mon. Germ. hist. Script VI 520)

1144 A.D. -- In Norwich, during Passover, 12-year-old St. William was
tied by the local Jews, hanged from a cross, and his blood drained
>from a wound in his side. The Jews hid the corpse in the nearby woods.
They were surprised by a local citizen, Eilverdus, who was bribed with
money to keep quiet. Despite this the crime still became notorious.
(Acta sancta, III March, Vol., p. 590)

1160 A.D. -- The Jews of Gloucester crucified a child (Mons Germ.
hist. Script 520)

1179 A.D. -- In Pontoise, on March 25th before Passover, the Jews
butchered and drained St. Richard's body of blood. Due to this, the
Jews were expelled from France. (Rob. of Turn., Rig.u.Guillel. Amor.)

1181 A.D. -- In London, around Easter, near the church of St. Edmund,
the Jews murdered a child by the name of Roertus. (Acta sanct, III
March Vol., 591)

1181 A.D. -- In Saragossa, the Jews murdered a child named Dominico.
(Blanca Hispania illustrata, tom. III, p. 657)

1191 A.D. -- The Jews of Braisme crucified a Christian who had accused
them of robbery and murder, after they had previously dragged him
through the town. Due to this King Philip Augustus, who had personally
come to Braisme, burned eighty of them. (rigordus, Hist. Gall.)

1220 A.D. -- In Weissenburg, in Alsace, on the 29th of June, the Jews
murdered a boy, St. Heinrich. (Murer, Helvetia sancta.)

1225 A.D. -- In Munich a woman, enticed by Jewish gold, stole a small
child from her neighbor. The Jews drained the blood from the child.
Caught in her second attempt, the criminal was handed over to the
courts. (Meichelbeck, Hist. Bavariae II. 94)

1235 A.D. -- the Jews committed the same crime on December 1st in
Erfut. (Henri Desportes, Le mystere du sang, 66)

1236 A.D. -- In Hagenau in Alsace, three Christian boys from the
region of Fulda were attacked by the Jews in a mill during the night
and killed in order to obtain their blood. (Trithemius; Chronicle of
Albert of Strassburg)

1239 A.D. -- A general uprising in London because of a murder
committed secretly by the Jews. (Matthew v. Paris, Grande Chron.)

1240 A.D. -- In Norwich the Jews circumcised a Christian child and
kept him hidden in the ghetto in order to crucify him later. After a
long search, the father found his child and reported it to the Bishop
Wilhelm of Rete. (Matthew v. Paris, op. cit. V. 39)

1244 A.D. -- In St. Benedict's churchyard in London, the corpse of a
boy was found which bore cuts and scratches and, in several places,
Hebrew characters. He had been tortured and killed; and his blood had
been drained. Baptized Jews, forced to interpret the Hebrew signs,
found the name of the child's parents and read that the child had been
sold to the Jews when it was very young. Distinguished Jews left the
city in secret. The Catholic Church venerated the Martyr under the
name of St. Paul.

1250 A.D. -- The Jews of Saragossa adopted the horrible dogma that
everyone who deliverd a Christian child for sacrifice would be freed
>from all taxes and debts. In June, 1250, Moses Albay-Huzet (Also
called Albajucetto) delivered the 7-year-old Dominico del Val to the
Jews for crucifixion. (Johan. a Lent, Schedias, hist. de pseudomes,
judæorum, p. 33)

1255 A.D. -- At Lincoln, in England, on Peter and Paul's Day, 8-year-
old St. Hugh was stolen by the local Jews, hidden, and later
crucified. The Jews beat him with rods for so long that he almost lost
all his blood. (Acta santa 6 July 494)

1257 A.D. --So that they could commit their annual sacrifice, the Jews
of London butchered a Christian child. (Cluvirius, epitome
historiarum, p. 541. col I)

1260 A.D. -- The Jews of Weissenburg killed a child (Annal.
Colmariens)1261 A.D. --In Pforzheim a 7-year-old girl who had been
delivered to the Jews, was laid on a linen cloth and stabbed on her
limbs in order to soak the cloth with blood. Afterwards the corpse was
thrown into the river. (Thomas, Cantipratanus, de ratione Vitæ.)

1279 A.D. --The most respectable Jews of London crucified a Christian
child on April 2nd. (Florent de Worcester, Chron. 222)
1279 A.D. -- The crucifixion of a Christian child at Northampton after
unheard-of tortures. (Henri Desportes Le mystere du sang, 67)

1282 A.D. -- In Munich the Jews purchased a small boy and stabbed him
all over his body. (Rader., Bavar. sancta I. Bd. p. 315)

1283 A.D. -- A child was sold by his nurse to the Jews of Mainz , who
killed it. (Baroerus ad annum No. 61. Annalen von Colmar)

1286 A.D. -- In Munich the Jews martyred two boys. The wooden
synagogue was encircled with fire and 180 Jews burnt to death. (Murer,
Helvetia sancta.)

1286 A.D. -- In April, at Oberwesel on the Rhine, 14-year-old St.
Werner was slowly tortured to death by the Jews over a period of 3
days. (Act. sct. II. Bd. b. Apr. p. 697 bis 740.)

1287 A.D. -- The Jews in Bern kidnapped St. Rudolf at the Passover,
horribly tortured the child and finally slit his throat. (Hein, Murer,
Helvetia sancta.)

1292 A.D. -- In Colmar, the Jews killed a boy. (Ann. Colm., II, 30)

1293 A.D. -- In Krems, the Jews sacrificed a child. Two of the
murderers were punished; the others saved themselves through the power
of gold. (Monum. XI, 658)

1294 A.D. --In Bern, the Jews murdered a child again. (Ann Colm., II,
32; Henri Desportes, Le mystere du sang, p. 70)

1302 A.D. -- In Reneken the same crime. (Ann. Colm. II, 32)

1303 A.D. -- At Weissensee in Thuringen the young student Conrad, the
son of a soldier, was killed at Easter. His muscles were cut to pieces
and his veins were opened in order to drain all his blood.

1305 A.D. -- In Prague, around Easter, a Christian, who was forced by
poverty to work for the Jews, was nailed to a cross; while naked, he
was beaten with rods and spat on in the face. (Tentzel)

1320 A.D. -- In Puy, a choirboy of the local church was sacrificed.

1321 A.D. --In Annecy a young priest was killed. The Jews were
expelled from the town by a decree of King Phillip V. (Denis de Saint-
Mart.)

1331 A.D. -- At Uberlingen in present-day Baden the Jews threw the son
of a citizen named Frey into a well. The incisions found later on the
body proved that previous to this his blood had been drained. (Joh.
Vitoduran, Chronik.)

1338 A.D. - The Jews butchered a noble from Franconia in Munich. His
brother prepared a veritable bloodbath for the Jews. (Henri Desport)

1345 A.D. -- In Munich, the Jews opened the veins of a little boy
Heinrich, and stabbed him more than 60 times. The church canonized
Heinrich. (Rad. Bav. sct. II p. 333)

1347 A.D. -- In Messina a child was crucified on Good Friday. (Henri
Desport)

1349 A.D. --The Jews wanted to attack and kill Christians assembled in
their church at Rothenburg. A Jew's maidservant exposed the Jewish
murder plot, and the Christians stormed out of their church and killed
all the Jews. (Ziegler, Schauplatz p. 396 col. 1,2. Eisenmenger,
entdecktes Judentum II, p. 219)

1350 A.D. --The boy Johannes, a student of the monastic school of St.
Sigbert in Cologne, drew his last breath after being stabbed by local
Jews. (Acta sancta., aus den Kirchenakten v. Koln.)

1380 A.D. -- At Hagenbach in Swabia several Jews were surprised while
butchering a Christian child. (Martin Crusius, Yearbook of Swabia,
Part III, Book V)

1401 A.D. --At Diessenhofen in Switzerland (near Schaffhausen), 4-year-
old Conrad Lory was murdered. His blood was said to have been sold by
the groom Johann Zahn for 3 florins to the Jew Michael Vitelman. (Acta
sancta.)

1407 A.D. --The Jews were expelled from Switzerland because of a
similar crime in the same region. (ibid.)

1410 A.D. -- In Thuringia the Jews were driven out because of ritual
murder that was discovered. (Boll. II, April 838. Baronius 31)

1429 A.D. -- At Ravensburg in Wurttemberg, Ludwig van Bruck, a
Christian boy from Switzerland who was studying in the town and living
among the Jews, was martyred by 3 Jews amid numerous tortures and
sexual violations. This happened during a big Jewish festival
(Passover) between Easter and Whitsun. (Baron. 31, Acta sancta. III.
Bd. des April p. 978)

1440 A.D. -- A Jewish doctor in Pavia, Simon of Ancona, beheaded a
four- year-old child which was stolen and brought to him by a
degenerate Christian. The crime became notorious when a dog jumped out
of a window into the street with the child's head. The murderer
escaped. (Alphonsus Spina, de bello Judæorum lib. III. confid. 7.)

1452 A.D. -- In Savona, several Jews killed a 2-year-old Christian
child. They pierced his whole body and collected the blood in the
vessel they used for the circumcision of their children. the Jews
dripped small pieces of sliced fruit into the blood and enjoyed a meal
of them. (Alphonsus Spina, de bello Judæorum lib. III, confid. 7.)

1453 A.D. -- In Breslau, the Jews stole a child, fattened him and put
him in a barrel lined with nails, which they rolled back and forth in
order to draw the child's blood. (Henri Desportes, Le mystere du sang,
75)

1454 A.D. -- On the estates of Louis of Almanza in Castile, two Jews
killed a Christian boy. They tore out his heart and burned it; threw
the ashes into wine which they drank with their co-religionists. By
spending considerable sums they succeeded in delaying the trial, since
two of the three lawyers were of Jewish descent. Thereafter the Jews
were banished from Spain. (Alphonsus Spina, de bello Judæorum)

1462 A.D. -- In a birchwood at Rinn near Innsbruck the boy Andreas
Oxner was sold to the Jews and sacrificed. The church canonized him. A
chapel called "Zum Judenstein" ('To the Jews' Rock') was built. (Acta
sancta., III. July Vol I. 472)

1468 A.D. -- At Sepulveda, in Old Castile, the Jews crucified a
Christian woman on Good Friday upon the order of the Rabbi Solomon
Pecho. (Did. de Colm. Gesch. v. Seg.)

1470 A.D. --In Baden the Jews were convicted of the murder of a
Christian child. (Tho. Patr. Barbar.)

1475 A.D. -- In Trent on March 23rd (Maundy Thursday) before Passover,
the Jews sacrificed a 29-month-old baby, St. Simon.

1476 A.D. -- The Jews in Regensburg murdered six children. The judge,
in the underground vault of a Jew named Josfol, found the remains of
the murdered victims as well as a stone bowl speckled with blood on a
kind of altar. (Raderus Bavaria sancta Band III, 174)

1480 A.D. -- In Treviso, a crime similar to the one in Trent was
committed: the murder of the canonized Sebastiano of Porto-Buffole
>from Bergamo. The Jews drained his blood. (H. Desportes, Le mystere du
sang 80)

1480 A.D. -- At Motta in Venice the Jews killed a child at Easter.
(Acta sancta I. Bd d. April 3)

1485 A.D. -- In Vecenza, the Jews butchered St. Laurentius. (Pope
Benedict XIV Bull. Beatus Andreas)

1490 A.D. -- At Guardia, near Toledo, the Jews crucified a child.
(Acta sancta I. Bd. d. April 3)

1494 A.D. -- At Tyrnau in Hungary, 12 Jews seized a Christian boy,
opened his veins, and carefully collected his blood. They drank some
of it and preserved the rest for their co-religionists. (Banfin Fasti,
ungar. br. III. Dec. 5)

1503 A.D. -- In Langendenzlingen a father handed his 4-year-old child
over to two Jews from Waldkirchen in Baden for 10 florins under the
condition that he would be returned alive after a small amount of
blood had been drained. However, they drained so much blood from the
child that it died. (Acta sancta. II Bd. des April p. 839: Dr. Joh.
Eck, Judebbuchlien)

1505 A.D. -- A crime, similar to the one in Langendenzlingen in 1503,
was attempted at Budweis in Bohemia. (Henri Desportes, Le mystere du
sang. 81)

1509 A.D -- Several Jews profaned the host brought from a sanctuary
dealer and murdered several Christian children. (Cluverius, Epitome
hist. etc. p. 579)

1509 A.D. --The Jews in Bosingen (Hungary) kidnapped the child of a
wheelwright, dragged him to the cellar, tortured him horribly, opened
all his veins and sucked out the blood with quills. Afterwards they
threw his body in a hedge, which the Jews admitted after repeated
denials. (Ziegler Schonplatz p. 588, col. 1,2)

1510 A.D. -- In Berlin, the Jews Salomon, Jacob, Aaron, Levi Isaac,
Rabbi Mosch and the butcher Jacob were accused of buying a three- or
four-year-old Christian boy for 10 florins from a stranger, laying him
on a table in a cellar, and puncturing him with needles in the large
blood-rich veins until he was finally slaughtered by the butcher
Jacob. An enormous trial began, and eventually a hundred Jews were
locked in the Berlin prison. They partially admitted to having bought
Christian children from strangers, stabbing them, draining their
blood, and drinking the blood in case of illness or preserving it with
tomatoes, ginger, and honey. No fewer than 41 of the accused Jews were
sentenced to death-by-burning after their confession. All the other
Jews were banished from the Mark of Brandenburg. (Richard Mun: 'The
Jews in Berlin')

1520 A.D. -- The Jews in Hungary repeated the crime of 1494 by
murdering a Christian child in Tyrnau and Biring, and draining its
blood. (Acta sancta II. Bd. d. April p. 839)

1525 A.D. -- A ritual murder in Budapest caused a widespread anti-
Semitic movement among the population. In this year the Jews were
expelled from Hungary (Henry Desportes, Le mystere du sang 81)

1540 A.D. -- At Sappenfeld in Bavaria, 4-year-old michael Pisenharter
was kidnapped from his father before Easter and taken to Titting
(North of Ingolstadt), where he suffered the most horrible tortures
for three days, his veins were opened and his blood drained. The
corpse showed signs of a crucifixion. The blood was found in Posingen.
(Raderus, Bavaria sancta. III. Bd. 176f)

1547 A.D. -- At Rava in Poland 2 Jews stole a tailor's boy named
Michael and crucified him. (Acta sancta II. Bd. April p. 839)

1569 A.D. --In Vitov (Poland) Johann, the 2-year-old son of the widow
Kozmianina, was savagely murdered by Jacob, a Jew of Leipzig. (Acta
sancta ebenda.)

1571 A.D. -- M.A. Bradaginus was butchered by the Jews. (Seb. Munster,
Cosmographia)

1571 A.D. -- Joachim II, Elector of Brandenburg, was poisoned by a Jew
with whom he had a trusting association. (Scheidanus X. Buch. seiner
Hist. pag. 60)

1573 A.D. -- In Berlin a child who had been purchased from a beggar
was tortured to death by a Jew. (Sartorious p. 53)

1574 A.D. -- At Punia in Latvia, the Jew Joachim Smierlowitz killed a
7- year-old girl called Elizabeth shortly before Passover. An
inscription and a painting in the Chapel of the Holy Cross at Wilna
proves that the child's blood was mixed with flour which was used in
the preparation of Easter cakes. At about this time a Christian boy in
Zglobice was stolen and taken to Tarnow, where another Christian boy
was found in the hands of the Jews under suspicious circumstances:
both were freed in time. (Act. sancta II. Bd. d. April p. 839)

1575 A.D. --The Jews killed a child, Michael of Jacobi. (Desportes)
1586 A.D. --In a series of cases Christian children were snatched away
>from their parents and killed; by breaking down these crimes, Rupert
traced them back to the Jews. (Brouver Trier'schen Ann. v. J. 1856)

1592 A.D. -- At Wilna, a 7-year-old Christian boy, Simon, was horribly
tortured to death by the Jews. More than 170 wounds, made by knives
and scissors, were found on his body, besides the numerous cuts under
his finger- and toe-nails. (Acta sancta III. Bd. des Juli)

1595 A.D. -- At Costyn in Posen a child was tortured to death by the
Jews. (Acta sancta 389)

1597 A.D. -- In Szydlov the blood of a child was used in the
consecration of a new synagogue. They eyelids, neck, veins, limbs, and
even the sexual organs of the child showed countless punctures. (Acta
sancta, II Bd. des April)

1598 A.D. -- In the village of Wodznick, in the Polish province of
Podolia, the 4-year-old Roman Catholic son of a farmer was stolen by
two young Jews and butchered four days before the Jewish Passover by
the most horrible tortures in which the most respected Jews of the
community took part. (Acta sancta, II Band des April 835)

1650 A.D. -- At Kaaden in Steiermark, 5½-year-old Mathias
Tillich was butchered by a Jew on March 11th. (Tentzel)

1655 A.D. -- At Tunguch in Lower Germany the Jews murdered a Christian
child for their Easter celebration. (Tentzel, monatl. Unterred. v.
Juli 1693 p. 553)

1665 A.D. --In Vienna the Jews butchered a woman on the 12th of May in
the most dreadful way. The corpse was found in a pond in a sack
weighted with stones. It was completely covered with wounds,
decapitated and the legs were cut off below the knees. (H.A. von
Ziegler, Tagl. Schaupl. p. 553)

1669 A.D. -- On the way from Metz to Boulay, near the village of
Glatigny, on Sept. 22nd, a 3-year-old child was stolen from his mother
by the Jew Raphael Levy. He was horribly butchered. His body was found
viciously mutilated. The murderer was burned alive on Jan. 17th in
1670. (Abrege du proces fait aux Juifs de Metz, ebd. 1670)

1675 A.D. -- At Miess in Bohemia a 4-year-old Christian child was
murdered by the Jews on March 12th. (Acta sancta II. Bd. des April)

1684 A.D. -- In the village of Grodno, Minsk government in Russia, the
Jew Schulka stole the 6-year-old Christian boy Gabriel and carried him
to Bialystock where, in the presence of several Jews, he was tortured
to death and his blood drained. (Records of the magistrate at
Zabludvo)

1753 A.D. -- On Good Friday, the 20th of April, in a village near Kiev
(Russia), the 3½-year-old son of the nobleman Studzinski was kidnapped
by the Jews, hidden in a tavern until the end of the Sabbath, and then
monstrously sacrificed with the help of the Rabbi Schmaja. The blood
was poured into several bottles. (Criminal Register of the City Court
of Kiev)

1764 A.D. --The 10-year-old son of Johann Balla, who had disappeared
on the 19th of June from Orkul (Hungary), was found in a neighboring
wood covered with many wounds. (Tisza-Eslar, von einem ungarischen
Ubgeordneten 108)

1791 A.D. -- On the 21st of February, the corpse of 13-year-old
Andreas Takals, who lived with a Jew named Abraham, was found outside
a village near Tasnad (Siebenburgen). The blood had been drained from
him by severing his jugular vein. (Ger.-Akt i.d. Archiv. v. Zilah.)

1791 A.D. -- At the same time two blood murders were reported at
Holleschau (Moravia) and at Woplawicz in the District of Duplin.
(Tisza-Eslar, v.e. ungar. Abgeord.)

1791 A.D. -- During the reign of Sultan Selim III, the Jews in Pera
killed a young Greek by hanging him from a tree by his legs. (Henri
Desportes)

1803 A.D. -- On March 10th, the 72-year-old Jew Hirsch from Sugenheim
seized a 2-year-old child between Ullstadt and Lengenfeld in Buchof
near Nuremberg. Several days later the Jew denied having been in
Buchhof at all on March 10th. The father of the child, who wanted to
prove the contrary with witnesses, was rebuffed in court with threats
and insults. On the 12th day the child was found dead, his tongue
sliced and his mouth full of blood. The Jews besieged the district
governor of Newstadt at that time until the matter turned out to their
satisfaction. The father was forced under threats to sign a protocol,
to which it attested that the child, still warm when he was found, had
frozen to death. (Friedr. Oertel, "Was glauben die Juden?" Bamberg,
1823)

1804 A.D. -- In Grafenberg near Nuremberg a 2 to 3-year-old boy was
kidnapped by an old Jew from Ermreuth by the name of Bausoh. Soldiers
hurried to prevent the crime after hearing the child's scream. (Dr. J.
W. Chillany)

1810 A.D. -- Among the records of the Damascus trial a letter exists
>from John Barker, ex-consul of Aleppo, which speaks of a poor
Christian who suddenly disappeared from Aleppo. The Hebrew Raphael of
Ancona was charged with having butchered her and draining all of her
blood. (A. Laurent. Affaires de Syrie)

1812 A.D. --On the island Corfu in October three Jews who had
strangled a child were condemned to death. Some time later, the child
of a Greek, called Riga, was stolen and killed by the Jews. (Achille
Laurent, Affaires de Syrie)

1817 A.D. -- The Indictment of the murder committed in this year
against the little girl Marianna Adamoviez, was quashed due to a lapse
of time.

1823 A.D. -- On the 22nd of April, at Velisch in the Russian
government of Vitebsk, the 3½- year-old son of the invalid Jemelian
Ivanov was stolen, tortured to death, and his blood drained. Despite a
great deal of statements by witnesses charging the Jews, the trial was
suddenly stopped. (Pavlikovsky, ebenda.)

1824 A.D. -- In Beirut the interpreter Fatch-allah-Seyegh was murdered
by his Jewish landlord, as the investigation established, for ritual
purposes.

1826 A.D. -- In Warsaw a murdered 5-year-old boy was found whose body
had more than a hundred wounds showing that his blood had been
drained. The whole of Warsaw was in a state of insurrection;
everywhere the Jews protested their innocence without having been
accused. The depositions made to the courts, together with the medical
evidence, were removed from the documents. (Pavlikovski, wie oben p.
282)

1827 A.D. -- At Vilna in Russia the stabbed corpse of a farmer's
child, Ossib Petrovicz, was found. According to the testimony of the
16-year-old shepherd Zulovski, he was kidnapped by the Jews. (Nach
einer Mitteilung des gouvernement Vilna.)
1829 A.D. -- In Turin the wife of the merchant Antoine Gervalon was
kidnapped from her husband. In the cellar she was prepared for her
sacrifice by two rabbis. With her last bit of strength she answered
her husband who was going through the Jewish quarter with several
soldiers, calling her name aloud. Thus, she was freed. However, the
Jews managed to hush up the incident with money. (Auszug aus einem
Briefe des Barons von Kalte )
1831 A.D. -- Killing of the daughter of a corporal of the Guard in St.
Petersburg. Four judges recognized it as a blood murder, while a fifth
doubted it. (Desportes)

1834 A.D. -- According to the Testimony of Jewess Ben Nound who
converted to Christianity, an old Gentile man in Tripoli was tied up
by 4 or 5 Jews and hanged from an orange tree by his toes. At the
moment when the old man was close to death the Jews cut his throat
with a butcher knife and let the body hang until all the blood had
been collected into a bowl. (Henri Desportes, Le mystere du sang. 91)

1839 A.D. -- On the Island of Rhodes, and 8-year-old merchant's boy,
who was delivering eggs to some Jews, did not return. Jewish money
power took effect, and the court proceedings were delayed and finally
suppressed. (Henri Desportes, Le mystere du sang. 92)

1839 A.D. -- In Damascus the customs office discovered a Jew carrying
a bottle of blood. The Jew offered 10,000 piastres in order to hush up
the affair. (cf. Prozess bei A. Laurent, op. cit. S. 301)

1843 A.D. -- Murders of Christian children by the Jews on Rhodes,
Corfu and elsewhere. (Famont L'Egypte sous Mehemet Ali, Paris, 1843)

1875 A.D. -- At Zboro, in the county of Saros in Hungary, several Jews
attacked the 16-year-old servant girl Anna Zampa in the house of her
master, Horowitz. The knife was already raised above her when a
coachman accidentally intervened, thus saving her. The court
President, Bartholomaus Winkler, who was in debt to the Jews, was
afraid to bring the criminals to justice.

1877 A.D. -- In the village of Szalaacs, in the country of Bihar
(Hungary), Josef Klee's 6-year-old niece, Theresia Szaabo, and his 9-
year-old nephew, Peter Szaabo, were murdered by the Jews. However, a
Jewish doctor held the inquest, who declared the children were not
murdered, thus ending the affair. (M. Onody, ebenda.)

1879 A.D. -- In Budapest, before the Purim feast, a young servant girl
in the Jewish Quarter was put to sleep with a drink. 24 hours after
the feast, she woke up so weak she could hardly walk. On her right
forearm, her left thigh, and her body below the navel she discovered
red circular wounds like spots of blood, with small openings in the
center. Blood had been drained from her. (M. Onody, ebenda.)

1879 A.D. -- At Kutais in the Caucasus, 4 Jewish image sellers killed
a 6- year-old girl. Between her fingers had been cut with a knife; on
her legs, a little above the calf, horizontal incisions had been made,
and there was not one drop of blood in her veins. With the aid of the
powerful Jews of Russia the guilty ones escaped punishment.
(Univers.)

1881 A.D. --At Kaschau in Hungary the daughter of a certain Josef
Koczis disappeared. Two weeks later the body was found in a well
completely emptied of blood. (M. Onody, Tisza-Eszlar)

1881 A.D. -- In Steinamanger the 8-year-old granddaughter of a
coachman who worked for the Jews disappeared. (M. Onody, evenda.)

1881 A.D. -- In Alexandria the Jews again killed a Christian child
called Evangelio Fornoraki. The parents of the strangled child,
discovered on the sea- shore, allowed a post-mortem examination which
lasted several days and was the cause of riots against the Jews. The
Baruch family, prime suspects in the murder, were arrested, but later
released. (Civita cattolica, von des. 1881)

1881 A.D. -- In the Galician town of Lutscha, the Polish maid servant
Franziska Muich, who worked for the Jewish tavern-keeper Moses Ritter,
and had been raped by him, was murdered by Moses and his wife, Gittel
Ritter, according to the testimony of the farmer Mariell Stochlinski.
(Otto Glogau, der Kulturk. Heft. 128. 15. Febr. 1886)

1882 A.D. -- At Tisza-Eszlar, shortly before the Jewish Passover, the
14- year-old Christian girl Esther Solymosi disappeared. Since the
girl was last seen nearby the synagogue, suspicion was directed
immediately on the Jews. The two sons of the temple-servant Josef
Scharf, 5-year-old Samuel and the 14-year- old Moritz, accused their
father and stated that Esther was led into the Temple and butchered
there. The corpse of the girl was never found.

1882 A.D. -- At Galata, the ghetto of Constantinople, a child was
enticed into a Jewish house where more than 20 people saw her go in.
On the following day a corpse was found in the Golden Horn causing a
great agitation among the Christian and Moslem population.

1882 A.D. -- A short time later another very similar case transpired
in Galata. Serious, a distinguished lawyer of the Greek community,
sent a petition to the representatives of all the Christian European
powers at Constantinople so that justice might be done: but the Jews
bribed the Turkish police, who allowed certain documents in the case
to disappear. Bribed doctors declared the mother of the kidnapped and
murdered child to be mentally deranged.

1883 A.D. -- Once more a ritual murder occurred in Galata. The police,
bribed with Jewish money, prevented an investigation. The newspaper
Der Stamboul, which strongly spoke out against the guilty ones, was
suppressed. This suppression cost the Jews 140,000 francs.

1884 A.D. -- At Sturz (West Prussia) the dismembered body of 14-year-
old Onophrius Cybulla was found one January morning under a bridge.
According to the doctor's opinion, the dismemberments showed great
expertise and dexterity in the use of the knife. Although the murdered
boy had been strong and plethoric, the dead body was completely
bloodless. Immediately suspicion fell on various Jews, and during the
investigation some very troublesome facts emerged. These, however,
were not considered sufficient and the arrested Jews were released.
(Otto Glagau, der Kulturki, Heft 119. 15. Mai 1885)

1885 A.D. -- At Mit-Kamar in Egypt a young Copt was butchered for the
Easter celebrations.

1888 A.D. -- At Breslau in July, a crime was committed by Max
Bernstein, a 24-year-old Rabbinical candidate at the Talmudic college,
against a 7-year-old boy, Severin Hacke, whom Bernstein had enticed
into his room. Bernstein withdrew blood from the boy's sex organ.
After the judge's verdict Bernstein confessed: "The Bible and the
Talmud teach that the gravest of sins can only be atoned for through
innocent blood." Therefore, he had withdrawn blood from the boy. The
Jews recognized the danger and declared Bernstein to be a 'religious
maniac.'

1891 A.D. -- Murder of a boy at Xanten, on the Rhine. The 5-year-old
robust boy of the Catholic cabinet-maker, Hegemann, was found in the
evening at 6 o'clock on June 29th, by the maid Dora Moll, in the cow
shed of the town councilor Kuppers, with his legs spread apart, laying
on his side with a circular formed ritual cut, carried out by a
skilled hand, and bled white. The boy was already missed at 10:30 in
the morning. He was seen by 3 witnesses being pulled into the house of
the Jewish butcher Buschoff.

1899 A.D. -- On March 26th the single 19-year-old seamstress, Agnes
Kurza, was slaughtered by the hand of the Jewish butcher Leopold
Hilsner. The corpse was found bloodless. The murderer was sentenced to
death by the court of Kuttenberg.

1900 A.D. -- At Konitz (West Prussia) on the 11th of March 1900, the
18- year-old college freshman, Ernst Winter, was bestially murdered.
Two days later pieces of his dismembered body were fished out of the
Monschsee; almost five days later, on April 15th, the first Easter
holy day, his head was found by children playing in the bushes. The
corpse was completely bloodless. Winter was ritually murdered. The
murder was carried out in the cellar of the Jewish Butcher, Moritz
Levi, after the victim had been lured there by a young Jewess. On the
day of the murder, a large number of foreign Jews were in Konitz who
departed the next day without any plausible reason being given for
their visit. Among them were the butchers Haller from Tuchel,
Hamburger from Schlochau, Eisenstedt from Prechlau and Rosenbaum from
Ezersk. The Konitz butcher Heimann disappeared shortly after the
murder.

1911 A.D. -- The 13-year-old schoolboy, Andrei Youshchinsky was
murdered in Kiev on March 12th. After eight days, his corpse was found
in a brickyard completely slashed to pieces and bloodless. Suspicion
fell on the Jewish manager of the brickyard, Mendel Beiliss. The case
did not come to trial until two and a half years later (Sept. 29th to
Oct. 28th, 1913). In the intervening period numerous attempts were
made to lead the investigating officers on to the wrong track.
Meanwhile a large number of incriminating witnesses suffered sudden
and unnatural deaths; false accusations and confessions followed one
after another due to huge money bribes. Behind the accused lurking in
the shadows, was the figure of Faivel Schneerson of the Lubavitchers,
leader of the 'Zadiks' ('Saints') of the Chassidim sect, who was the
spiritual director of the murder. The trial ended with the release of
Beiliss, but at the same time the court established that the murder
had taken place inside the Jewish brickyard, which was the religious
center of the Kiev Jews, for the purpose of obtaining blood. Almost
all the prosecutors, witnesses, and authorities who had spoken out
against Judaism, later fell victim to the Bolshevik Terror.
(Ausfuhrliche Darstellungen des Prozeßes enthalten 'Hammer' Nr. 271,
273, 274, 275; Oktober bis Dezember 1913)

1926 A.D. -- The bodily remains of the children Hans and Erika Fehse
were found in a parcel on the public square in Breslau. The children
had been butchered. The corpses were bloodless. The genitals were
missing. The Jewish butcher was believed the culprit. He disappeared
without a trace.

1928 A.D. -- The college sophomore Helmut Daube was butchered on the
night of the 22nd-23rd of March, 1928. In the morning, the blood-
drained corpse lay in front of his parents home.

1929 A.D. -- The murder at Manau. The boy Karl Kessler was found
butchered and bloodless on March 17th, 1929, several days before
Passover.

1932 A.D.-- Martha Kaspar was butchered and dismembered at Paderhorn
on March 18th, 1932. The pieces of the corpse were drained of blood.
The Jew, Moritz Meyer, was convicted and received 15 years in prison.


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Nazi officials under the direction of SS officer Adolf Eichmann
offered to sell the Zionist Aid and Rescue Committee (Vaada), of which
Rudolf Kastner was the de facto leader, exit visas for 600 Jews who
held Palestinian immigration certificates,  in exchange for 6.5
million pengö (RM 4,000,000 or $1,600,000).

Rudolf Kastner, who became a government minister in Israel, was
assassinated there in March 1957 following allegations that he had
collaborated with the Nazis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kastner_train

Mirelle


This article is so important, it needs to be reposted and passed on,so
that more and more people around the world will come to know the truth
about the ZYD COLLABORATION with nazis.
It will not be surprising to find after even more research, that even
more incidents of ZHID/Nazi COLLABORATION happened!!

Even about the HOLOHOAX, based on zyd lies!!

More and more truth is coming out, about the perfidious ZYD
COLLABORATION with the nazis!!

Surely this should cause those countries paying tribute dollars to the
ZYDS, to consider demanding repayment?


>>>>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:08:44 -0700, Joel Eichmann
>>>> wrote:

It will not be surprising for researchers in Poland, Russia and even
Germany and Switzerland, to produce even more evidence of even more
COLLABORATION between the zionists and their colleagues in Germany!!

>>On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:41:32 -0700, dandelion
>> wrote:

>>Now that more and more research, with supporting documentation, is
>>being made public, documenting the collaboration of the ZIONAZIS
with
>>the nazis, slime like Shiksa Sueee Cohen do not want this TRUTH made
>>public.

>>Even German historians such as C. Lange are now making public their
>>findings, to the chagrin of the ZHID COLLABORATORS.

>>It was not only the notorious KASTNER CASE!!

>>>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:51:02 -0700, Heinrich Himmelfarb
>>> wrote:
>>>Newsgroups:soc.culture.swiss,soc.culture.european,soc.culture.europe,so
c.culture.polish,soc.culture.germany
>>>On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:25:52 GMT, c@c.cc wrote:
>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>September 2004, page 86
>>>Book Review
>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>By Lenni Brenner, ed. Barricade Books, 2002, 342 pp. List:$22; AET:
>>>$15.
>>>Reviewed by Sara Powell
>>>It's no secret that Zionism embraced political expediency to
advance
>>>the cause of carving Eretz-Israel from the land of its native
>>>inhabitants. In his 1983 book, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators,
>>>Lenni Brenner shows that 20th century Zionists observed shockingly
few
>>>limits to that expediency. Not surprisingly, the book received
little
>>>coverage in the American media.

>>>Now, in 51 Documents, Brenner has compiled a wide variety of
letters,
>>>statements, articles, and judgements?some of which appeared in his
>>>earlier  book?by a broad array of activists and authors, that
>>>documents Zionist cooperration with the Nazis.

>>>On the face of it, the notion seems absurd. However, Brenner
>>>presents the case?made in many Zionists? own words?that the Nazi
>>>agenda of expelling the Jews from Germany fit nicely with the
>>>Zionist plan for enticing those Jews into settling in Palestine and
>>>creating a new Jewish nation.

>>>In addition to introductory and concluding chapters, the book is
>>>organized into five sections which lead the reader through early,
>>>pre-Zionist documents; pre-Holocaust ideological factions; the
>>>Holocaust era itself; and a chapter on the Stern Gang and the
Nazis.

>>>Readers should note that a few documents are not indicative of
>>>collaboration in and of themselves, but provide the background to
>>>others written in response.

>>>These latter do indicate levels of collaboration between Zionists
and
>>>fascists, both the Nazis in Germany, and those in Mussolini's
Italy.
>>>Brenner's brief explanatory notes at the beginning of each document
>>>are helpful, as are the glossary and index.

>>>51 Documents assumes a certain knowledge of Zionist history, and
>>>requires a close reading and some deconstructive efforts on the
part
>>>of the reader. Those willing to commit the time and effort,
however,
>>>are rewarded with some stunning revelations. The reason some
>>>Zionists eschewed the boycott against Hitler?s Germany, for
instance, is
>>>that they had a financial deal?Ha'avara?with Germany allowing Jews
to
>>>exchange their wealth for goods to be exported to Palestine at less
of
>>>a loss, as an incentive to emigrate. Those wondering why Zionists
>>>today are so organized and experienced in their public relations
>>>efforts discover that these battles have been fought before.
>>>Moreover, the section on Nazi and Zionist understandings of
'nationality'
>>>versus citizenship reveals how German and Israeli practices are
based on
>>>the same concept.

>>>51 Documents also sheds a whole new light on the term Holocaust
>>>guilt, frequently understood to mean Western, non-Jewish guilt for
>>>not acting against the Holocaust earlier. However, these documents
>>>make it clear that Holocaust guilt began with those Zionists who
>>>made the undoubtedly difficult, but politically expedient choice to
>>>place Eretz-Israel at the top of their priorities, above the lives
of
>>>their threatened European brethren.

>>>From a Zionist Executive Meeting speech by Yitzhak Gruenbaum on
>>>Feb. 18, 1943:

>>>And when some asked me: Can't you give money from Keren Ha Yesod
>>>(Palestine Foundation Fund) to save Jews in the Diaspora? I said:
>>>?No!  And again I say no....And, because of these things, people
>>>called me an anti-Semite, and concluded that I'm guilty, for the
fact
>>>that we don't give ourselves completely to rescue actions.(p. 211)

>>>However difficult it may be, the reader must confront some rather
>>>disturbing conclusions. The most unsettling realization for this
>>>reviewer is that pre-Holocaust Zionists were able to politically
>>>align themselves with the Nazis because both groups fundamentally
saw
>>>race as an important dividing line?and, moreover, were determined
to
>>>keep it that way.

>>>From Vladimir Jabotinsky to Albert Einstein,'assimilation' of Jews
>>>into the societies in which they lived was not an acceptable
option.
>>>Rather, Jewish nationalism required equality on a national level,
not
>>>a personal one. As Jabotinsky explained, 'It is impossible for a
man
>>>to become assimilated with people whose blood is different from his
>>>own'
>>>(p. 10); in Einstein?s words, ?Palestine is first and foremost not
a
>>>refuge for East European Jews, but the incarnation of a reawakening
>>>sense of national solidarity? (p. 29).

>>>Finally, David Yisraeli, a member of the STERN  GANG, , wrote the
>>>following in late 1940, as part of a proposal to Hitler. It was
>>>delivered in 1941 to two German diplomats in Lebanon.

>>>3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and
>>>totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would
be
>>>in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German
>>>position of power in the Near East (p. 301).

>>>Such beliefs, of course, were not limited to Nazis and Zionists.
>>>Scientific and philosophical constructs of the day considered such
>>>differentiation legitimate, and ideas of racial difference?and,
>>>therefore, racial supremacy?were practiced around the world.

>>>Another disturbing conclusion a reader must inevitably face is that
>>>Zionists learned both tactical and political lessons from the Nazis
>>>and that, even today, these lessons are applied to further the
>>>Zionist cause. Although most likely known to potential readers of
this
>>>book,another disturbing element is the cover-up of the less than
savory
>>>roles of current Israeli leaders, including former prime ministers,
in
>>>the terrorist Irgun and Stern Gang just before, during, and after
the
>>>Holocaust. Likewise, the succumbing of various U.S. officials to
>>>Zionist pressure is a familiar, but distressing, story.

>>>51 Documents seems to represent a renewed attempt by Brenner to
>>>bring information regarding Zionist collaboration with the Nazis to
U.S.
>>>supporters of Israel, as well as to Jews and Muslims, in order to
>>>expand dialogue with knowledge, and save lives 'both Palestinian
>>>and Israeli' in the process. Readers of 51 Documents will find it
>>>difficult not to remove the rose colored glasses that so many seem
to wear
>>>when examining Zionism.


# 5                           The Kastner Case
ZHID  KOLABORACI WITH EICHMANN & NAZIS!!
Extracted from a pamphlet issued by BAZO-PS - 1981

Introduction

The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is
that involving Rudolf Kastner.

Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner.
Those who have, are generally under the impression that
there is some "controversy" about negotiations he undertook
for "the purchase of Jewish lives for money and military
equipment," but that he was "fully rehabilitated" by the
Supreme Court of Israel.

The Accusations

Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:

Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the
British Medical Research Council, was one of the few
escapees from Auschwitz. In his memoirs published in
February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald, he wrote:

I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that -
I accuse certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly
deeds of the war.

This small group of quislings knew what was happening to
their brethren in Hitler's gas chambers and bought their
own lives with the price of silence.

Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke
for all Jews in Hungary.
While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz - the number is
still on my arm - I compiled careful statistics of the
exterminations...I took these terrible statistics with me
when I escaped in 1944 and I was able to give Hungarian
Zionist leaders three weeks notice that Eichmann planned
to send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers...
Kastner went to Eichmann and told him, "I know of your plans;
spare some Jews of my choice and I shall keep quiet."

Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S.
uniform and took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends.

Nor did the sordid bargaining end there.

Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this
little fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom
when Germany collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine...
(Ben Hecht, Perfidy, pp 261-2)

These accusations are confirmed by the "Eichmann Confessions"
published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:

"I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the
commander stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off
in a lightning operation, I wanted to set an example for
future campaigns elsewhere...In obedience to Himmler's
directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish
political officials in Budapest...Among them, Dr. Rudolph Kastner,
authorized representative of the Zionist Movement.

This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the
Jews from resisting deportation - and even keep order in the
collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let a few
hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to
Palestine. It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the
camps, the price...was not too high for me.

"...We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me,
Kastner smoked cigarets as though he were in a coffeehouse.
While we talked he would smoke one aromatic cigaret after
another, taking them from a silver case and lighting them
with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve
he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.

"Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for
a select group of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Palestune...

"As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity
between our attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these
immensely idealistic Zionist leaders....I believe that Kastner
would have sacrificed a thousand or a hundred thousand of his
blood to achieve his political goal...
'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have
this group here'. And because Kastner rendered us a great
service by helping keep the deportation camps peaceful, I
would let his groups escape. After all, I was not
concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews...
That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner."
(Hecht, Ibid., pp.260-61)

Quite clearly these accusations, whether true or false,
do not relate merely to "the purchase of Jewish lives for
money and military equipment."

Are the accusations against Kastner true?
According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie.
When Malchiel Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli
citizen published these accusations against Kastner, the
Israeli Government did rather more  than demand that his
views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent Zionist
official Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of
Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General
of the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
-88-
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Posted by Robert E. Nordlander
nord@powernetonline.com


Subject: Kastner Case=ZHID KOLLABORACI WITH NAZIS!!

From: Elias Davidsson (edavid@itn.is)
Subject: Zionism. The Kastner case (1/2)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel
Date: 1997/07/12

The Kastner Case

Introduction

Rather than answer every complaint in the same detail, we are taking
up the issue which the VJBD has declared to be the most offensive of
all and will show that on this question 'The documentation available
is overwhelming and its message is thundering", just as Palestine
Speaks claimed in one of the extracts complained about by the VJBD.

Since the accusation of direct Zionist cooperation and assistance in
the extermination of hundreds of thousands of Jewish people, and the
accusation that this flowed logically from shared aims, are clearly
the most 'extreme' and 'offensive' accusations of Nazi-Zionist
collaboration broadcast on 3CR programs, we will deal with this first,
and in greater detail.

Since the 'Kastner case' is the subject of most of the broadcasts
concerning collaboration which have been specifically complained
about, we shall go into this in greatest detail, and have put some
books in as evidence about it. Having answered the VJBD where its
case appears strongest, and on the points to which it has given
greatest emphasis,we hope it may become apparent to the Tribunal that
things are not quite what they may have appeared before this inquiry
began.

The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
involving Rudolf Kastner.

Most Jewish people in Australia have never heard of Rudolf Kastner.
Those who have, are generally under the impression that there is some
'controversy' about negotiations he undertook for 'the purchase of
Jewish lives for money and military equipment', but that he was 'fully
ehabilitated' by the Supreme Court of Israel.

That is exactly the line taken by Dr. John Foster, the Victorian
Jewish Board of Deputies expert witness, in his evidence condemning
3CR for anti-semitism.

It is quite clear from this evidence, that Dr. Foster does not know
anything at all about the Kastner case, since he does not even know
what Kastner was accused of.

This may not be his fault however, since one cannot read an accurate
account of the Kastner case in any of the widely available works
dealing with the Holocaust, either in bookshops or libraries. Apart
>from 3CR, the suppression of information has been so complete, that
even an expert like Dr. Foster, specifically asked to give evidence on
the matter, has been unable to find out what it is all about.

The Accusations
----------------
Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:

"Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
Medical Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz.
In his memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily
Herald, he wrote:

'I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that - I accuse
certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.

This small group of quislings knew what was happening to their
brethren in Hitler's gas chambers and bought their their own lives
with the price of silence. Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the
council which spoke for all Jews in Hungary. While I was prisoner
number 44070 at Auschwitz - the number is still on my arm - I compiled
careful statistics of the exterminations...I took these terrible
statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I was able to give
Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that Eichmann planned to
send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers...Kastner went to
Eichmann and told him, 'I know of your plans; spare some Jews of my
choice and I shall keep quiet.'

Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
bargaining end there.

Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this little
fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom when Germany
collapsed,to set himself up in the Argentine..."(Ben Hecht, op.cit.
pp261-2)

These accusations are confirmed by the 'Eichmann Confessions'
published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:

"I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning
operation, I wanted to set an example for future campaigns
elsewhere...In obedience to Himmler's directive I now concentrated on
negotiations with the Jewish political officials in Budapest...Among
them Dr. Rudolph Kastner, authorized representative of the Zionist
Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
lawyer and a fanatical Zionist.
He agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation - and even
keep order in the collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let
a few hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to
Palestine.
It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price...was
not too high for me.

We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoked
cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
smoke one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver
case and lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish
and reserve he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.

Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group
of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel...

As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
Zionist leaders....I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political
oal...'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have this
group here'.

And because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping
keep the deportation camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape.
After all, I was not concerned with small groups of a thousand or so
Jews...
That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner" (Hecht, ibid,
p.26ö-61)

Quite clearly these accusations, whether true or false, do not relate
merely to 'the purchase of Jewish lives for money and military
equipment', as Dr. Foster imagines, and the term 'collaboration' is
the term that would apply. It seems unlikely that if Dr. Foster had
known what the accusation actually was, he would have condemned 3CR
saying 'In these circumstances, to talk of collaboration is malicious
and absurd'.

Are the accusations against Kastner true?

According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
than demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a
prominent Zionist official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the
Ministry of Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of
the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.

The Verdict
------------
Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi in Israel's District Court of
Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
The Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
studied carefully, since a substantial extract from it, broadcast on
3CR, has been complained about by the VJBD as allegedly offensive to
the Jewish community, likely to promote anti-semitism, likely to
promote racism, in bad taste and contrary to common sense.

It is the actual words used that are the subject of the Board's
complaint, not the manner of their representation by 3CR. Presumably
the Board itself was not aware just whose words they were when it made
its' complaint, which shows how complete suppression of information
can backfire on the censors themselves.

Here then are excerpts from the verdict of Judge Halevi, who later
became one of the panel of three judges that tried Eichmann:

"The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the
deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
confidence in the false information that they were being transferred
to Kenyermeze.

The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
they not spread their false information through Jewish channels.

The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
others used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to
mislead the Jews.
They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
of Jewish leaders.

The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
leaders of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
spreading such false information and did not protest.

Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.

The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
hampering the deportation orders.

Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
dozen police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attemptt to
overpower these few guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance
activities to the deportations were organized in these ghettos.

And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
Jews in the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.

The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
their own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish
leaders who did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
deportations...these same leaders did not join the people of their
community n their ride to Auschwitz, but were all included in the
Rescue train.

The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
extermination permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish
Council in Budapest to save themselves, their relatives, and friends.
The Nazis did this as a means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom
they favoured, dependent on the Nazi regime, dependent on its good
will during the time of its fatal deportation schedule. In short, the
Nazis succeeded in bringing the Jewish leaders into oollaboration with
the Nazis at the time of the catastrophe.

The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
Jewry and the most trusted by the Jews.

The Nazis drew a lesson from the Warsaw ghetto and other belligerent
ghettos. They learned that Jews were able to sell their lives very
expensively if honorably guided.

Eichmann did not want a second Warsaw. For this reason, the Nazis
exerted themselves to mislead and bribe the Jewish leaders.

The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
task easier.

The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
chiefs.

It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
underground.

The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
Nazis interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did
the S.S. chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the
Jewish Rescue Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?

The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
these German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of
the extermination plan of the killers ?

The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner's Rescue
Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
friends in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary - their total
annihilation.

The Nazi's patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
six hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the
Jews.
Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
to him greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as
a great personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success
that would also justify his conduct - his political negotiation with
Nazis and the Nazi patronage of his committee.

When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
soul to the German Satan. The sacrifice of the vital interests of the
majority of the Jews, in order to rescue the prominents, was the basic
element in the agreement between Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement
fixed the division of the nation into two unequal camps: a small
fragment of prominents, whom the Nazis promised Kastner to save, on
the one hand, and the great majority of Hungarian Jews whom the Nazis
designated for death, on the other hand.
An imperative condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis
was that Kastner will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against
the other camp and will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner
fulfilled this condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of
the prominents and treated the camp of the doomed as if they had
already been wiped out from the book of the living.

One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner's collaboration and
put down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are
not only the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in
the border area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the
chief of their rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.

All of Kastner's answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
to evade this truth.

Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
wall of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he drated
quickly to another."

(Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53; Attorney
Generalv. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem, June 22,
1955).

Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
'new line' of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:

"From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the 'new line'
stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.

According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
Jews.

This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
'rescue' work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
of Kastner's involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
criminals.

Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
Kastner also needed an alibi for himself.

Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
Exterminators of the Jews was solidifed in Budapest and Vienna.
Kastner's duties were part and parcel of the genral duties of the S.S.

In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
the Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.

All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
were coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler". (ibid)

Judge Halevi continues:

"Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
when he denied he had interceded in Becher's hehalf. Moreover, he
concealed the important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name
of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish World Congress.

As to the contents of Kastner's affidavit, it was enough for the
defense to prove Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the
prosecution to remove Becher from this status, if they wished to
negate the affidavit.

The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
criminal.

The lies in the contents of Kastner's affidavit, the lies in his
testimony concerning the document, and Kastner's knowing participation
in the activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the
last minute fake rescue activities - all these combine to show one
overwhelming truth - that this affidavit was not given in good faith.

Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
stood up against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has
declared in the affidavit.

The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews
but to serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth
and no good faith in Kastner's testimony, 'I never doubted for one
moment the good intention of good Becher'.

It is clear that the positive recommandation by Kastner, not only in
his own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish
World Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not
exaggerate when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because
of his personal intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and
the contradictions and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies,
were sufficient to annul the value of his statements and to prove that
there was no good faith in his testimony in favor of this German war
criminal.
Kastner's affidavit in favor of Becher was a willfully false affidavit
given in favor of a war criminal to save him from trial and punishment
n Nuremberg.

Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of
his statements." (ibid)

Judge Halevi's verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of
libel against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one
unproven accusation - that Kastner had actually collected money from
his Nazi partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge
also ordered the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred
Israeli pounds as court costs.

In fairness to Kastner it should me mentioned that as well as having
been unpaid, it was never established that he ever wore S.S. uniform.

Nevertheless, this verdict, and the evidence on which it was based,
completely establishes the truth of everything said on 3CR about the
matter.

If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial
pointed to much more than that.

But the story does not end there.

The Reaction
-------------
Public opinion in Israel was almost unanimous in demanding that
Kastner and his associates should be put on trial. Remember that up to
now it was Kastner's accuser who was on trial.

The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha'am (Voice of the People) wrote:

"All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary
know now clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder" (23 June
1955)

In the authoritative Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz, the leading political
journalist, Dr. Moshe Keren wrote:

"Kastner must be brought to trial as a Nazi collaborator. And at this
trial, Kastner should defend himself as a private citizen, and not be
defended by the Israeli Government..." (14 July 1955).

*Haboker*, the pro-Government General Zionist party paper stated:
"The public wants to know the real facts about Kastner, and not about
him alone. The only way to find out the truth is to put all the Rescue
Committee people on trial and give them a chance to offer their
defense." (23 June 1955)

But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
Government of Israel.

As the evening paper *Yedi'ot Aharonot* said:
"If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
political and national collapse - as a result of what such a trial may
disclose." (23 June 1955)

Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
instead it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for
criminal libel.

As Dr. Karlebach wrote in Israel's largest evening newspaper,
*Ma'ariv*:
"What is going on here? The Attorney General has to mobilize all the
government power, appear himself in court, to justify and defend
collaboration with Himmler! And in order to defend a quisling, the
government must drag through the streets one of the grimmest stories
of our history!

At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the
government announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed - an
appeal filed.
What exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess
such lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an
appeal on a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?! (24
June 1955)

At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General
of Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel
was defending Kastner so strongly:  "The man Kastner does not stand
here as a private individual. He was a recognized representative,
official or non-official of the Jewish National Institutes in
Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I come here in this court
to defend the representative of our national institutions." (Hecht, p.
268)

The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner's collaboration
was not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
leadership.

So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court.
But the story gets worse.

The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in
the name of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On
this point Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not 'fully
rehabilitated'.

The Supreme Court also accepted the FACTS established in the lower
court - that Kastner DELIBERATELY concealed the truth about Auschwitz
>from the majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to
take a thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being
'fully rehabilitated'.

The Majority Judgement
-------------------------
But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging
these FACTS, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to
two, found that Kastner's actions were MORALLY JUSTIFIABLE and
convicted Greenwald of criminal libel for calling this
'collaboration'.

In saying that 3CR broadcasts concealed the fact that Kastner had been
fully rehabilitated by the Israeli Supreme Court, Dr. Foster is
totally missing the point.

Kastner's actions only proved that HE was a Nazi collaborator. It is
the defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel
that prove conclusively that ZIONISM approves of Nazi collaboration.

The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not REHABILITATE
Kastner.
They JOINED him.

Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
Chesin:

"...What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in
Kluj, people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at
the end of their journey...Kastner spoke in detail of the situation,
saying, 'The Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the
tree'.
This vivid description coincides with the testimony of another witness
about the Hungarian Jews, 'This was a big Jewish community in Hungary,
without any ideological Jewish backbone' (Moshe Shweiger, a Kastner
aide in Budapest, protocol 465).

I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, 'The
Jews of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable,
neither physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations
with force against the deportation scheme'...From this point of view
no rescue achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz
news to the Jewish leaders there, and this...is a consideration which
one  can properly conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.

And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner
when he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not
result from his great dispair because of the helplessness of the
Jewish community.
Even then, I say, this is still not considered willful collaboration
and assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate
that Kastner's efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big
scale...And towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go
very far and say that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent
knowingly, in submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to
save a few Jews from Hell - this is still no proof that he stained his
hands by collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out
their plan to exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.

Even if, through these activities of his - or rather, his omission -
the extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the
question is not whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save
a few, or vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and
should be defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is
awaiting its doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few,
although part of his efforts involve concealment of truth from the
many or should he disclose the truth to many though it is his best
opinion that this way everybody will perish. I think that the answer
is clear. What good will the blood of the few bring if everybody is to
perish?...As I said, I am not arguing with the basic factual findings
of the learned President of the Jewish District Court (Judge Halevi)
but it seems to me, with all due respect, that his findings do not, as
of necessity, demand the conclusion he has arrived at.
That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the
extermination of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad
leadership both from a moral and public point of view...

In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people
who boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to
extermination, one has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi,
Brand, Revis and Marton, and many more leaders and half-leaders who
gagged themselves in an hour of crisis and did not inform others of
what was known to them and did not warn and did not cry out of the
coming danger....

Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District
Court with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on
Kastner of collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish
people in Hungary during the last war." (Hecht, ibid, pp.270-2)

n other words, the Court approved of Kastner's contempt for the
Hungarian Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing
exactly what many other Zionist leaders had half-leaders did -
concealing their knowledge of the Nazi extermination plans so that
Jews would board the trains to Auschwitz peacefully while their
Zionist 'leaders' boarded a different train for Palestine.

The Minority Judgement
--------------------------
It cannot be said that ALL top Zionists leaders actively approved of
Nazi collaboration in this way. Indeed the most precise answer to this
sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is provided in the minority
judgement of S>>>>The declaration of the learned Attorney General
therefore shrinks into Supreme Court Judge Moshe Silberg:

"I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among
the leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not
have a clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are
dealing here with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make
judgements on the guilt of others....

an opinion....'Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no
ray of hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as
he, as a result of his personal dispair, did not disclose the secret
of the extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue
of the few - therefore he acted in good faith and should not be
accused of collaborating with the Nazis in expediting the
extermination of the Jews, even though, in fact, he brought about its
result.'

I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive
such an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in
cooperation with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and
without the knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion,
the decisive consideration in the problem facing us. The charge
emanating from the testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that
had they known of the Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of
thousands would have been able to save their lives by local, partial,
specific or indirect rescue operations like local revolts, resistance,
escapes, hidings, concealment of children with Gentiles, forging of
documents, ransom money, bribery, etc - and when this is the case and
when one deals with many hundreds of thousands, how does a human
being, a mortal, reject with complete certainty and with an extreme
'no' the efficiency of all the many and varied rescue ways? How can he
examine the tens of thousands of possibilities? Does he decide instead
of God? Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation of the last hope
of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith as his
defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer
to a claim of such good faith...

If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people
die so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he
will come out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he
as an individual erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving
the other patients. He is a collaborator with the angel of death.

Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with
complete loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal
rescue operation could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.

And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which
was put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then
Kastner himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never
make this claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in
his report to the Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to
many ghettos in the countryside and pleaded with them to organize
escapes and to refuse to board the trains. And though the story of
these pleadings is untrue, and the silence of Kastner in Kluj is
proven, the very uttering of these statements entirely contradicts the
claim that Kastner had concealed the news about the fate of the ghetto
inmates in good faith and only as a result of his complete despairing
of the chances of escaping or resisting the Germans. You can not claim
at the same time helplessness and activity.
Anyway, such a claim is not convincing...

We can sum up with three facts:
A. That the Nazis didn't want to have a great revolt - 'Second Warsaw'
- nor small revolts, and their passion was to have the extermination
machine working smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to
Kastner from the best source - from Eichmann himself - And he had
additional proofs of that when he witnessed all the illusionary and
misleading tactics which were being taken by the Nazis from the first
moment of occupation.

B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with - or
the escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming
murder.
This fact is known to every man and one does not need any proof of
evidence for this.

C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire
of the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.

And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner...He who is capable of
rescuing this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this
great war criminal were not so horryfying or despicable in his
eyes...I couldn't base the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it
been alone, but when it is attached even from afar to the whole scene
of events it throws retroactive light on the whole affair and serves
as a dozen proofs of our conclusion." (Supreme Court Judge, Moshe
Silberg, 1957)

Conclusion
-----------
If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever
their attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might
have been under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not
advocate collaboration with the Nazis.

One could then at least understand the complaints by Mr. Bloch,
President of the Victorian Jewish Board of Deputies, about the
'dragging in of alleged episodes in the history of Jewish/Nazi
relationships'.

But Judge Silberg's judgement was that of a minority.

The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history,
being 'dragged in' to discredit an opponent.

It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration
with the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.

Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner
gave on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him
to remain a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations
and with an estimated personal worth of $30 million.

Becher has even used his certification as a 'good' SS officer to give
evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in
West Germany.

Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with
the Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only
presure that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for
fear of what might come out.

Likewise, none of Kastner's associates on the Zionist Relief and
Rescue Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put
on trial as demanded by Israeli public opinion. Let alone the hundreds
of 'prominents' who helped Kastner to reassure the Hungarian Jews that
they were going to Kenyermeze and not Auschwitz, in exchange for
tickets on the one train that took them eventually to Palestine.

As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarassment to the
Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did
was approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization)
leadership in Palestine. He is, as Dr. Foster so delicately puts it,
'now dead'.

Or putting it less delicately, on 3 March 1957 he was shot by Zeer
Eckstein - immediately after the appeal hearings were concluded, and
before the judgement 'rehabilitating' him was delivered. Eckstein was
not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent of the Israeli
secret service.
(Hecht, ibid., p.208. Another 'fantastic allegation' no doubt; but
admitted in court during the murder trial).

Clearly this issue has a major indirect relevance to the Arab-Israeli
dispute. Apart from countering Israel's cynical use of the holocaust
as a propaganda weapon, it answers a very real concern that many
people have about the State of Israel and the Jews. This concern is
whether, if Jews had a State of their own during the holocaust many
more could have been saved, and whether this is not an essential
future consideration, at least as an insurance policy.

The facts of the Kastner case show that the very existence of the
Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) was an actual help to the
Nazis and that more could have been saved if the Zionist movement had
not existed.
Having a State that approves of actions like those of Kastner for an
insurance policy, is like using petrol for a fire extinguisher.

Zionism is not the answer to anti-semitism, but a cowardly proposal to
run away from it. The only answer to anti-semitism is to fight back.

We shall go on to prove this in detail.
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:35:10 -0700, Ernst Zundholtz
 wrote:

Looks like the filthy ZHIDS just do not like this well-documented
expose of their holohoax, and the fact that it documents 52 cases of
ZHID COLLABORATION WITH THE NAZIS!!

>>On 28 Nov 2004 10:59:36 -0800, heinrichhimmelfarb@xmail.net
>>(HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote:

This article is so important, it needs to be reposted and passed on,
so that more and more people around the world will come to know the
truth about the ZHID COLLABORATION with nazis.
It will not be surprising to find after even more research, that even
more incidents of ZHID/Nazi COLLABORATION happened!!

Even about the HOLOHOAX, based on zhid lies!!

More and more truth is coming out, about the perfidious ZHID
COLLABORATION with the nazis!!

Surely this should cause those countries paying tribute dollars to the
ZHIDS, to consider demanding repayment?


>>>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:08:44 -0700, Joel Eichmann
>>> wrote:

It will not be surprising for researchers in Poland, Russia and even
Germany and Switzerland, to produce even more evidence of even more
COLLABORATION between the zionists and their colleagues in Germany!!

>>>>On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:41:32 -0700, dandelion
>> wrote:

>>>>Now that more and more research, with supporting documentation, is
>>>>being made public, documenting the collaboration of the ZIONAZIS
with
>>>>the nazis, slime like Shiksa Sueee Cohen do not want this TRUTH
made
>>>>public.

>>>>Even German historians such as C. Lange are now making public
their
>>>>findings, to the chagrin of the ZHID COLLABORATORS.

>>>>It was not only the notorious KASTNER CASE!!


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Nazi officials under the direction of SS officer Adolf Eichmann
offered to sell the Zionist Aid and Rescue Committee (Vaada), of which
Rudolf Kastner was the de facto leader, exit visas for 600 Jews who
held Palestinian immigration certificates,  in exchange for 6.5
million pengö (RM 4,000,000 or $1,600,000).

Rudolf Kastner, who became a government minister in Israel, was
assassinated there in March 1957 following allegations that he had
collaborated with the Nazis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kastner_train

Mirelle


This article is so important, it needs to be reposted and passed on,so
that more and more people around the world will come to know the truth
about the ZYD COLLABORATION with nazis.
It will not be surprising to find after even more research, that even
more incidents of ZHID/Nazi COLLABORATION happened!!

Even about the HOLOHOAX, based on zyd lies!!

More and more truth is coming out, about the perfidious ZYD
COLLABORATION with the nazis!!

Surely this should cause those countries paying tribute dollars to the
ZYDS, to consider demanding repayment?


>>>>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:08:44 -0700, Joel Eichmann
>>>> wrote:

It will not be surprising for researchers in Poland, Russia and even
Germany and Switzerland, to produce even more evidence of even more
COLLABORATION between the zionists and their colleagues in Germany!!

>>On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:41:32 -0700, dandelion
>> wrote:

>>Now that more and more research, with supporting documentation, is
>>being made public, documenting the collaboration of the ZIONAZIS
with
>>the nazis, slime like Shiksa Sueee Cohen do not want this TRUTH made
>>public.

>>Even German historians such as C. Lange are now making public their
>>findings, to the chagrin of the ZHID COLLABORATORS.

>>It was not only the notorious KASTNER CASE!!

>>>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:51:02 -0700, Heinrich Himmelfarb
>>> wrote:
>>>Newsgroups:soc.culture.swiss,soc.culture.european,soc.culture.europe,so
c.culture.polish,soc.culture.germany
>>>On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:25:52 GMT, c@c.cc wrote:
>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>September 2004, page 86
>>>Book Review
>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>By Lenni Brenner, ed. Barricade Books, 2002, 342 pp. List:$22; AET:
>>>$15.
>>>Reviewed by Sara Powell
>>>It's no secret that Zionism embraced political expediency to
advance
>>>the cause of carving Eretz-Israel from the land of its native
>>>inhabitants. In his 1983 book, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators,
>>>Lenni Brenner shows that 20th century Zionists observed shockingly
few
>>>limits to that expediency. Not surprisingly, the book received
little
>>>coverage in the American media.

>>>Now, in 51 Documents, Brenner has compiled a wide variety of
letters,
>>>statements, articles, and judgements?some of which appeared in his
>>>earlier  book?by a broad array of activists and authors, that
>>>documents Zionist cooperration with the Nazis.

>>>On the face of it, the notion seems absurd. However, Brenner
>>>presents the case?made in many Zionists? own words?that the Nazi
>>>agenda of expelling the Jews from Germany fit nicely with the
>>>Zionist plan for enticing those Jews into settling in Palestine and
>>>creating a new Jewish nation.

>>>In addition to introductory and concluding chapters, the book is
>>>organized into five sections which lead the reader through early,
>>>pre-Zionist documents; pre-Holocaust ideological factions; the
>>>Holocaust era itself; and a chapter on the Stern Gang and the
Nazis.

>>>Readers should note that a few documents are not indicative of
>>>collaboration in and of themselves, but provide the background to
>>>others written in response.

>>>These latter do indicate levels of collaboration between Zionists
and
>>>fascists, both the Nazis in Germany, and those in Mussolini's
Italy.
>>>Brenner's brief explanatory notes at the beginning of each document
>>>are helpful, as are the glossary and index.

>>>51 Documents assumes a certain knowledge of Zionist history, and
>>>requires a close reading and some deconstructive efforts on the
part
>>>of the reader. Those willing to commit the time and effort,
however,
>>>are rewarded with some stunning revelations. The reason some
>>>Zionists eschewed the boycott against Hitler?s Germany, for
instance, is
>>>that they had a financial deal?Ha'avara?with Germany allowing Jews
to
>>>exchange their wealth for goods to be exported to Palestine at less
of
>>>a loss, as an incentive to emigrate. Those wondering why Zionists
>>>today are so organized and experienced in their public relations
>>>efforts discover that these battles have been fought before.
>>>Moreover, the section on Nazi and Zionist understandings of
'nationality'
>>>versus citizenship reveals how German and Israeli practices are
based on
>>>the same concept.

>>>51 Documents also sheds a whole new light on the term Holocaust
>>>guilt, frequently understood to mean Western, non-Jewish guilt for
>>>not acting against the Holocaust earlier. However, these documents
>>>make it clear that Holocaust guilt began with those Zionists who
>>>made the undoubtedly difficult, but politically expedient choice to
>>>place Eretz-Israel at the top of their priorities, above the lives
of
>>>their threatened European brethren.

>>>From a Zionist Executive Meeting speech by Yitzhak Gruenbaum on
>>>Feb. 18, 1943:

>>>And when some asked me: Can't you give money from Keren Ha Yesod
>>>(Palestine Foundation Fund) to save Jews in the Diaspora? I said:
>>>?No!  And again I say no....And, because of these things, people
>>>called me an anti-Semite, and concluded that I'm guilty, for the
fact
>>>that we don't give ourselves completely to rescue actions.(p. 211)

>>>However difficult it may be, the reader must confront some rather
>>>disturbing conclusions. The most unsettling realization for this
>>>reviewer is that pre-Holocaust Zionists were able to politically
>>>align themselves with the Nazis because both groups fundamentally
saw
>>>race as an important dividing line?and, moreover, were determined
to
>>>keep it that way.

>>>From Vladimir Jabotinsky to Albert Einstein,'assimilation' of Jews
>>>into the societies in which they lived was not an acceptable
option.
>>>Rather, Jewish nationalism required equality on a national level,
not
>>>a personal one. As Jabotinsky explained, 'It is impossible for a
man
>>>to become assimilated with people whose blood is different from his
>>>own'
>>>(p. 10); in Einstein?s words, ?Palestine is first and foremost not
a
>>>refuge for East European Jews, but the incarnation of a reawakening
>>>sense of national solidarity? (p. 29).

>>>Finally, David Yisraeli, a member of the STERN  GANG, , wrote the
>>>following in late 1940, as part of a proposal to Hitler. It was
>>>delivered in 1941 to two German diplomats in Lebanon.

>>>3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and
>>>totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would
be
>>>in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German
>>>position of power in the Near East (p. 301).

>>>Such beliefs, of course, were not limited to Nazis and Zionists.
>>>Scientific and philosophical constructs of the day considered such
>>>differentiation legitimate, and ideas of racial difference?and,
>>>therefore, racial supremacy?were practiced around the world.

>>>Another disturbing conclusion a reader must inevitably face is that
>>>Zionists learned both tactical and political lessons from the Nazis
>>>and that, even today, these lessons are applied to further the
>>>Zionist cause. Although most likely known to potential readers of
this
>>>book,another disturbing element is the cover-up of the less than
savory
>>>roles of current Israeli leaders, including former prime ministers,
in
>>>the terrorist Irgun and Stern Gang just before, during, and after
the
>>>Holocaust. Likewise, the succumbing of various U.S. officials to
>>>Zionist pressure is a familiar, but distressing, story.

>>>51 Documents seems to represent a renewed attempt by Brenner to
>>>bring information regarding Zionist collaboration with the Nazis to
U.S.
>>>supporters of Israel, as well as to Jews and Muslims, in order to
>>>expand dialogue with knowledge, and save lives 'both Palestinian
>>>and Israeli' in the process. Readers of 51 Documents will find it
>>>difficult not to remove the rose colored glasses that so many seem
to wear
>>>when examining Zionism.


# 5                           The Kastner Case
ZHID  KOLABORACI WITH EICHMANN & NAZIS!!
Extracted from a pamphlet issued by BAZO-PS - 1981

Introduction

The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is
that involving Rudolf Kastner.

Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner.
Those who have, are generally under the impression that
there is some "controversy" about negotiations he undertook
for "the purchase of Jewish lives for money and military
equipment," but that he was "fully rehabilitated" by the
Supreme Court of Israel.

The Accusations

Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:

Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the
British Medical Research Council, was one of the few
escapees from Auschwitz. In his memoirs published in
February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald, he wrote:

I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that -
I accuse certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly
deeds of the war.

This small group of quislings knew what was happening to
their brethren in Hitler's gas chambers and bought their
own lives with the price of silence.

Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke
for all Jews in Hungary.
While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz - the number is
still on my arm - I compiled careful statistics of the
exterminations...I took these terrible statistics with me
when I escaped in 1944 and I was able to give Hungarian
Zionist leaders three weeks notice that Eichmann planned
to send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers...
Kastner went to Eichmann and told him, "I know of your plans;
spare some Jews of my choice and I shall keep quiet."

Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S.
uniform and took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends.

Nor did the sordid bargaining end there.

Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this
little fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom
when Germany collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine...
(Ben Hecht, Perfidy, pp 261-2)

These accusations are confirmed by the "Eichmann Confessions"
published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:

"I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the
commander stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off
in a lightning operation, I wanted to set an example for
future campaigns elsewhere...In obedience to Himmler's
directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish
political officials in Budapest...Among them, Dr. Rudolph Kastner,
authorized representative of the Zionist Movement.

This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the
Jews from resisting deportation - and even keep order in the
collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let a few
hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to
Palestine. It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the
camps, the price...was not too high for me.

"...We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me,
Kastner smoked cigarets as though he were in a coffeehouse.
While we talked he would smoke one aromatic cigaret after
another, taking them from a silver case and lighting them
with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve
he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.

"Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for
a select group of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Palestune...

"As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity
between our attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these
immensely idealistic Zionist leaders....I believe that Kastner
would have sacrificed a thousand or a hundred thousand of his
blood to achieve his political goal...
'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have
this group here'. And because Kastner rendered us a great
service by helping keep the deportation camps peaceful, I
would let his groups escape. After all, I was not
concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews...
That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner."
(Hecht, Ibid., pp.260-61)

Quite clearly these accusations, whether true or false,
do not relate merely to "the purchase of Jewish lives for
money and military equipment."

Are the accusations against Kastner true?
According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie.
When Malchiel Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli
citizen published these accusations against Kastner, the
Israeli Government did rather more  than demand that his
views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent Zionist
official Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of
Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General
of the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
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Subject: Kastner Case=ZHID KOLLABORACI WITH NAZIS!!

From: Elias Davidsson (edavid@itn.is)
Subject: Zionism. The Kastner case (1/2)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel
Date: 1997/07/12

The Kastner Case

Introduction

Rather than answer every complaint in the same detail, we are taking
up the issue which the VJBD has declared to be the most offensive of
all and will show that on this question 'The documentation available
is overwhelming and its message is thundering", just as Palestine
Speaks claimed in one of the extracts complained about by the VJBD.

Since the accusation of direct Zionist cooperation and assistance in
the extermination of hundreds of thousands of Jewish people, and the
accusation that this flowed logically from shared aims, are clearly
the most 'extreme' and 'offensive' accusations of Nazi-Zionist
collaboration broadcast on 3CR programs, we will deal with this first,
and in greater detail.

Since the 'Kastner case' is the subject of most of the broadcasts
concerning collaboration which have been specifically complained
about, we shall go into this in greatest detail, and have put some
books in as evidence about it. Having answered the VJBD where its
case appears strongest, and on the points to which it has given
greatest emphasis,we hope it may become apparent to the Tribunal that
things are not quite what they may have appeared before this inquiry
began.

The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
involving Rudolf Kastner.

Most Jewish people in Australia have never heard of Rudolf Kastner.
Those who have, are generally under the impression that there is some
'controversy' about negotiations he undertook for 'the purchase of
Jewish lives for money and military equipment', but that he was 'fully
ehabilitated' by the Supreme Court of Israel.

That is exactly the line taken by Dr. John Foster, the Victorian
Jewish Board of Deputies expert witness, in his evidence condemning
3CR for anti-semitism.

It is quite clear from this evidence, that Dr. Foster does not know
anything at all about the Kastner case, since he does not even know
what Kastner was accused of.

This may not be his fault however, since one cannot read an accurate
account of the Kastner case in any of the widely available works
dealing with the Holocaust, either in bookshops or libraries. Apart
>from 3CR, the suppression of information has been so complete, that
even an expert like Dr. Foster, specifically asked to give evidence on
the matter, has been unable to find out what it is all about.

The Accusations
----------------
Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:

"Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
Medical Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz.
In his memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily
Herald, he wrote:

'I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that - I accuse
certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.

This small group of quislings knew what was happening to their
brethren in Hitler's gas chambers and bought their their own lives
with the price of silence. Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the
council which spoke for all Jews in Hungary. While I was prisoner
number 44070 at Auschwitz - the number is still on my arm - I compiled
careful statistics of the exterminations...I took these terrible
statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I was able to give
Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that Eichmann planned to
send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers...Kastner went to
Eichmann and told him, 'I know of your plans; spare some Jews of my
choice and I shall keep quiet.'

Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
bargaining end there.

Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this little
fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom when Germany
collapsed,to set himself up in the Argentine..."(Ben Hecht, op.cit.
pp261-2)

These accusations are confirmed by the 'Eichmann Confessions'
published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:

"I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning
operation, I wanted to set an example for future campaigns
elsewhere...In obedience to Himmler's directive I now concentrated on
negotiations with the Jewish political officials in Budapest...Among
them Dr. Rudolph Kastner, authorized representative of the Zionist
Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
lawyer and a fanatical Zionist.
He agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation - and even
keep order in the collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let
a few hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to
Palestine.
It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price...was
not too high for me.

We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoked
cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
smoke one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver
case and lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish
and reserve he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.

Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group
of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel...

As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
Zionist leaders....I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political
oal...'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have this
group here'.

And because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping
keep the deportation camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape.
After all, I was not concerned with small groups of a thousand or so
Jews...
That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner" (Hecht, ibid,
p.26ö-61)

Quite clearly these accusations, whether true or false, do not relate
merely to 'the purchase of Jewish lives for money and military
equipment', as Dr. Foster imagines, and the term 'collaboration' is
the term that would apply. It seems unlikely that if Dr. Foster had
known what the accusation actually was, he would have condemned 3CR
saying 'In these circumstances, to talk of collaboration is malicious
and absurd'.

Are the accusations against Kastner true?

According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
than demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a
prominent Zionist official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the
Ministry of Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of
the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.

The Verdict
------------
Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi in Israel's District Court of
Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
The Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
studied carefully, since a substantial extract from it, broadcast on
3CR, has been complained about by the VJBD as allegedly offensive to
the Jewish community, likely to promote anti-semitism, likely to
promote racism, in bad taste and contrary to common sense.

It is the actual words used that are the subject of the Board's
complaint, not the manner of their representation by 3CR. Presumably
the Board itself was not aware just whose words they were when it made
its' complaint, which shows how complete suppression of information
can backfire on the censors themselves.

Here then are excerpts from the verdict of Judge Halevi, who later
became one of the panel of three judges that tried Eichmann:

"The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the
deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
confidence in the false information that they were being transferred
to Kenyermeze.

The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
they not spread their false information through Jewish channels.

The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
others used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to
mislead the Jews.
They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
of Jewish leaders.

The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
leaders of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
spreading such false information and did not protest.

Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.

The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
hampering the deportation orders.

Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
dozen police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attemptt to
overpower these few guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance
activities to the deportations were organized in these ghettos.

And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
Jews in the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.

The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
their own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish
leaders who did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
deportations...these same leaders did not join the people of their
community n their ride to Auschwitz, but were all included in the
Rescue train.

The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
extermination permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish
Council in Budapest to save themselves, their relatives, and friends.
The Nazis did this as a means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom
they favoured, dependent on the Nazi regime, dependent on its good
will during the time of its fatal deportation schedule. In short, the
Nazis succeeded in bringing the Jewish leaders into oollaboration with
the Nazis at the time of the catastrophe.

The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
Jewry and the most trusted by the Jews.

The Nazis drew a lesson from the Warsaw ghetto and other belligerent
ghettos. They learned that Jews were able to sell their lives very
expensively if honorably guided.

Eichmann did not want a second Warsaw. For this reason, the Nazis
exerted themselves to mislead and bribe the Jewish leaders.

The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
task easier.

The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
chiefs.

It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
underground.

The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
Nazis interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did
the S.S. chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the
Jewish Rescue Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?

The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
these German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of
the extermination plan of the killers ?

The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner's Rescue
Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
friends in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary - their total
annihilation.

The Nazi's patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
six hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the
Jews.
Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
to him greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as
a great personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success
that would also justify his conduct - his political negotiation with
Nazis and the Nazi patronage of his committee.

When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
soul to the German Satan. The sacrifice of the vital interests of the
majority of the Jews, in order to rescue the prominents, was the basic
element in the agreement between Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement
fixed the division of the nation into two unequal camps: a small
fragment of prominents, whom the Nazis promised Kastner to save, on
the one hand, and the great majority of Hungarian Jews whom the Nazis
designated for death, on the other hand.
An imperative condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis
was that Kastner will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against
the other camp and will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner
fulfilled this condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of
the prominents and treated the camp of the doomed as if they had
already been wiped out from the book of the living.

One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner's collaboration and
put down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are
not only the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in
the border area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the
chief of their rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.

All of Kastner's answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
to evade this truth.

Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
wall of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he drated
quickly to another."

(Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53; Attorney
Generalv. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem, June 22,
1955).

Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
'new line' of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:

"From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the 'new line'
stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.

According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
Jews.

This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
'rescue' work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
of Kastner's involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
criminals.

Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
Kastner also needed an alibi for himself.

Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
Exterminators of the Jews was solidifed in Budapest and Vienna.
Kastner's duties were part and parcel of the genral duties of the S.S.

In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
the Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.

All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
were coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler". (ibid)

Judge Halevi continues:

"Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
when he denied he had interceded in Becher's hehalf. Moreover, he
concealed the important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name
of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish World Congress.

As to the contents of Kastner's affidavit, it was enough for the
defense to prove Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the
prosecution to remove Becher from this status, if they wished to
negate the affidavit.

The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
criminal.

The lies in the contents of Kastner's affidavit, the lies in his
testimony concerning the document, and Kastner's knowing participation
in the activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the
last minute fake rescue activities - all these combine to show one
overwhelming truth - that this affidavit was not given in good faith.

Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
stood up against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has
declared in the affidavit.

The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews
but to serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth
and no good faith in Kastner's testimony, 'I never doubted for one
moment the good intention of good Becher'.

It is clear that the positive recommandation by Kastner, not only in
his own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish
World Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not
exaggerate when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because
of his personal intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and
the contradictions and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies,
were sufficient to annul the value of his statements and to prove that
there was no good faith in his testimony in favor of this German war
criminal.
Kastner's affidavit in favor of Becher was a willfully false affidavit
given in favor of a war criminal to save him from trial and punishment
n Nuremberg.

Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of
his statements." (ibid)

Judge Halevi's verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of
libel against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one
unproven accusation - that Kastner had actually collected money from
his Nazi partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge
also ordered the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred
Israeli pounds as court costs.

In fairness to Kastner it should me mentioned that as well as having
been unpaid, it was never established that he ever wore S.S. uniform.

Nevertheless, this verdict, and the evidence on which it was based,
completely establishes the truth of everything said on 3CR about the
matter.

If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial
pointed to much more than that.

But the story does not end there.

The Reaction
-------------
Public opinion in Israel was almost unanimous in demanding that
Kastner and his associates should be put on trial. Remember that up to
now it was Kastner's accuser who was on trial.

The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha'am (Voice of the People) wrote:

"All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary
know now clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder" (23 June
1955)

In the authoritative Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz, the leading political
journalist, Dr. Moshe Keren wrote:

"Kastner must be brought to trial as a Nazi collaborator. And at this
trial, Kastner should defend himself as a private citizen, and not be
defended by the Israeli Government..." (14 July 1955).

*Haboker*, the pro-Government General Zionist party paper stated:
"The public wants to know the real facts about Kastner, and not about
him alone. The only way to find out the truth is to put all the Rescue
Committee people on trial and give them a chance to offer their
defense." (23 June 1955)

But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
Government of Israel.

As the evening paper *Yedi'ot Aharonot* said:
"If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
political and national collapse - as a result of what such a trial may
disclose." (23 June 1955)

Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
instead it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for
criminal libel.

As Dr. Karlebach wrote in Israel's largest evening newspaper,
*Ma'ariv*:
"What is going on here? The Attorney General has to mobilize all the
government power, appear himself in court, to justify and defend
collaboration with Himmler! And in order to defend a quisling, the
government must drag through the streets one of the grimmest stories
of our history!

At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the
government announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed - an
appeal filed.
What exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess
such lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an
appeal on a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?! (24
June 1955)

At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General
of Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel
was defending Kastner so strongly:  "The man Kastner does not stand
here as a private individual. He was a recognized representative,
official or non-official of the Jewish National Institutes in
Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I come here in this court
to defend the representative of our national institutions." (Hecht, p.
268)

The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner's collaboration
was not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
leadership.

So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court.
But the story gets worse.

The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in
the name of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On
this point Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not 'fully
rehabilitated'.

The Supreme Court also accepted the FACTS established in the lower
court - that Kastner DELIBERATELY concealed the truth about Auschwitz
>from the majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to
take a thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being
'fully rehabilitated'.

The Majority Judgement
-------------------------
But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging
these FACTS, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to
two, found that Kastner's actions were MORALLY JUSTIFIABLE and
convicted Greenwald of criminal libel for calling this
'collaboration'.

In saying that 3CR broadcasts concealed the fact that Kastner had been
fully rehabilitated by the Israeli Supreme Court, Dr. Foster is
totally missing the point.

Kastner's actions only proved that HE was a Nazi collaborator. It is
the defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel
that prove conclusively that ZIONISM approves of Nazi collaboration.

The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not REHABILITATE
Kastner.
They JOINED him.

Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
Chesin:

"...What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in
Kluj, people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at
the end of their journey...Kastner spoke in detail of the situation,
saying, 'The Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the
tree'.
This vivid description coincides with the testimony of another witness
about the Hungarian Jews, 'This was a big Jewish community in Hungary,
without any ideological Jewish backbone' (Moshe Shweiger, a Kastner
aide in Budapest, protocol 465).

I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, 'The
Jews of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable,
neither physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations
with force against the deportation scheme'...From this point of view
no rescue achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz
news to the Jewish leaders there, and this...is a consideration which
one  can properly conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.

And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner
when he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not
result from his great dispair because of the helplessness of the
Jewish community.
Even then, I say, this is still not considered willful collaboration
and assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate
that Kastner's efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big
scale...And towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go
very far and say that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent
knowingly, in submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to
save a few Jews from Hell - this is still no proof that he stained his
hands by collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out
their plan to exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.

Even if, through these activities of his - or rather, his omission -
the extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the
question is not whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save
a few, or vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and
should be defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is
awaiting its doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few,
although part of his efforts involve concealment of truth from the
many or should he disclose the truth to many though it is his best
opinion that this way everybody will perish. I think that the answer
is clear. What good will the blood of the few bring if everybody is to
perish?...As I said, I am not arguing with the basic factual findings
of the learned President of the Jewish District Court (Judge Halevi)
but it seems to me, with all due respect, that his findings do not, as
of necessity, demand the conclusion he has arrived at.
That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the
extermination of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad
leadership both from a moral and public point of view...

In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people
who boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to
extermination, one has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi,
Brand, Revis and Marton, and many more leaders and half-leaders who
gagged themselves in an hour of crisis and did not inform others of
what was known to them and did not warn and did not cry out of the
coming danger....

Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District
Court with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on
Kastner of collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish
people in Hungary during the last war." (Hecht, ibid, pp.270-2)

n other words, the Court approved of Kastner's contempt for the
Hungarian Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing
exactly what many other Zionist leaders had half-leaders did -
concealing their knowledge of the Nazi extermination plans so that
Jews would board the trains to Auschwitz peacefully while their
Zionist 'leaders' boarded a different train for Palestine.

The Minority Judgement
--------------------------
It cannot be said that ALL top Zionists leaders actively approved of
Nazi collaboration in this way. Indeed the most precise answer to this
sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is provided in the minority
judgement of S>>>>The declaration of the learned Attorney General
therefore shrinks into Supreme Court Judge Moshe Silberg:

"I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among
the leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not
have a clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are
dealing here with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make
judgements on the guilt of others....

an opinion....'Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no
ray of hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as
he, as a result of his personal dispair, did not disclose the secret
of the extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue
of the few - therefore he acted in good faith and should not be
accused of collaborating with the Nazis in expediting the
extermination of the Jews, even though, in fact, he brought about its
result.'

I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive
such an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in
cooperation with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and
without the knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion,
the decisive consideration in the problem facing us. The charge
emanating from the testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that
had they known of the Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of
thousands would have been able to save their lives by local, partial,
specific or indirect rescue operations like local revolts, resistance,
escapes, hidings, concealment of children with Gentiles, forging of
documents, ransom money, bribery, etc - and when this is the case and
when one deals with many hundreds of thousands, how does a human
being, a mortal, reject with complete certainty and with an extreme
'no' the efficiency of all the many and varied rescue ways? How can he
examine the tens of thousands of possibilities? Does he decide instead
of God? Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation of the last hope
of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith as his
defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer
to a claim of such good faith...

If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people
die so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he
will come out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he
as an individual erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving
the other patients. He is a collaborator with the angel of death.

Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with
complete loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal
rescue operation could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.

And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which
was put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then
Kastner himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never
make this claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in
his report to the Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to
many ghettos in the countryside and pleaded with them to organize
escapes and to refuse to board the trains. And though the story of
these pleadings is untrue, and the silence of Kastner in Kluj is
proven, the very uttering of these statements entirely contradicts the
claim that Kastner had concealed the news about the fate of the ghetto
inmates in good faith and only as a result of his complete despairing
of the chances of escaping or resisting the Germans. You can not claim
at the same time helplessness and activity.
Anyway, such a claim is not convincing...

We can sum up with three facts:
A. That the Nazis didn't want to have a great revolt - 'Second Warsaw'
- nor small revolts, and their passion was to have the extermination
machine working smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to
Kastner from the best source - from Eichmann himself - And he had
additional proofs of that when he witnessed all the illusionary and
misleading tactics which were being taken by the Nazis from the first
moment of occupation.

B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with - or
the escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming
murder.
This fact is known to every man and one does not need any proof of
evidence for this.

C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire
of the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.

And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner...He who is capable of
rescuing this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this
great war criminal were not so horryfying or despicable in his
eyes...I couldn't base the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it
been alone, but when it is attached even from afar to the whole scene
of events it throws retroactive light on the whole affair and serves
as a dozen proofs of our conclusion." (Supreme Court Judge, Moshe
Silberg, 1957)

Conclusion
-----------
If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever
their attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might
have been under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not
advocate collaboration with the Nazis.

One could then at least understand the complaints by Mr. Bloch,
President of the Victorian Jewish Board of Deputies, about the
'dragging in of alleged episodes in the history of Jewish/Nazi
relationships'.

But Judge Silberg's judgement was that of a minority.

The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history,
being 'dragged in' to discredit an opponent.

It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration
with the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.

Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner
gave on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him
to remain a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations
and with an estimated personal worth of $30 million.

Becher has even used his certification as a 'good' SS officer to give
evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in
West Germany.

Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with
the Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only
presure that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for
fear of what might come out.

Likewise, none of Kastner's associates on the Zionist Relief and
Rescue Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put
on trial as demanded by Israeli public opinion. Let alone the hundreds
of 'prominents' who helped Kastner to reassure the Hungarian Jews that
they were going to Kenyermeze and not Auschwitz, in exchange for
tickets on the one train that took them eventually to Palestine.

As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarassment to the
Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did
was approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization)
leadership in Palestine. He is, as Dr. Foster so delicately puts it,
'now dead'.

Or putting it less delicately, on 3 March 1957 he was shot by Zeer
Eckstein - immediately after the appeal hearings were concluded, and
before the judgement 'rehabilitating' him was delivered. Eckstein was
not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent of the Israeli
secret service.
(Hecht, ibid., p.208. Another 'fantastic allegation' no doubt; but
admitted in court during the murder trial).

Clearly this issue has a major indirect relevance to the Arab-Israeli
dispute. Apart from countering Israel's cynical use of the holocaust
as a propaganda weapon, it answers a very real concern that many
people have about the State of Israel and the Jews. This concern is
whether, if Jews had a State of their own during the holocaust many
more could have been saved, and whether this is not an essential
future consideration, at least as an insurance policy.

The facts of the Kastner case show that the very existence of the
Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) was an actual help to the
Nazis and that more could have been saved if the Zionist movement had
not existed.
Having a State that approves of actions like those of Kastner for an
insurance policy, is like using petrol for a fire extinguisher.

Zionism is not the answer to anti-semitism, but a cowardly proposal to
run away from it. The only answer to anti-semitism is to fight back.

We shall go on to prove this in detail.
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:35:10 -0700, Ernst Zundholtz
 wrote:

Looks like the filthy ZHIDS just do not like this well-documented
expose of their holohoax, and the fact that it documents 52 cases of
ZHID COLLABORATION WITH THE NAZIS!!

>>On 28 Nov 2004 10:59:36 -0800, heinrichhimmelfarb@xmail.net
>>(HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote:

This article is so important, it needs to be reposted and passed on,
so that more and more people around the world will come to know the
truth about the ZHID COLLABORATION with nazis.
It will not be surprising to find after even more research, that even
more incidents of ZHID/Nazi COLLABORATION happened!!

Even about the HOLOHOAX, based on zhid lies!!

More and more truth is coming out, about the perfidious ZHID
COLLABORATION with the nazis!!

Surely this should cause those countries paying tribute dollars to the
ZHIDS, to consider demanding repayment?


>>>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:08:44 -0700, Joel Eichmann
>>> wrote:

It will not be surprising for researchers in Poland, Russia and even
Germany and Switzerland, to produce even more evidence of even more
COLLABORATION between the zionists and their colleagues in Germany!!

>>>>On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:41:32 -0700, dandelion
>> wrote:

>>>>Now that more and more research, with supporting documentation, is
>>>>being made public, documenting the collaboration of the ZIONAZIS
with
>>>>the nazis, slime like Shiksa Sueee Cohen do not want this TRUTH
made
>>>>public.

>>>>Even German historians such as C. Lange are now making public
their
>>>>findings, to the chagrin of the ZHID COLLABORATORS.

>>>>It was not only the notorious KASTNER CASE!!


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Nazi officials under the direction of SS officer Adolf Eichmann
offered to sell the Zionist Aid and Rescue Committee (Vaada), of which
Rudolf Kastner was the de facto leader, exit visas for 600 Jews who
held Palestinian immigration certificates,  in exchange for 6.5
million pengö (RM 4,000,000 or $1,600,000).

Rudolf Kastner, who became a government minister in Israel, was
assassinated there in March 1957 following allegations that he had
collaborated with the Nazis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kastner_train

Mirelle


This article is so important, it needs to be reposted and passed on,so
that more and more people around the world will come to know the truth
about the ZYD COLLABORATION with nazis.
It will not be surprising to find after even more research, that even
more incidents of ZHID/Nazi COLLABORATION happened!!

Even about the HOLOHOAX, based on zyd lies!!

More and more truth is coming out, about the perfidious ZYD
COLLABORATION with the nazis!!

Surely this should cause those countries paying tribute dollars to the
ZYDS, to consider demanding repayment?


>>>>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:08:44 -0700, Joel Eichmann
>>>> wrote:

It will not be surprising for researchers in Poland, Russia and even
Germany and Switzerland, to produce even more evidence of even more
COLLABORATION between the zionists and their colleagues in Germany!!

>>On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:41:32 -0700, dandelion
>> wrote:

>>Now that more and more research, with supporting documentation, is
>>being made public, documenting the collaboration of the ZIONAZIS
with
>>the nazis, slime like Shiksa Sueee Cohen do not want this TRUTH made
>>public.

>>Even German historians such as C. Lange are now making public their
>>findings, to the chagrin of the ZHID COLLABORATORS.

>>It was not only the notorious KASTNER CASE!!

>>>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:51:02 -0700, Heinrich Himmelfarb
>>> wrote:
>>>Newsgroups:soc.culture.swiss,soc.culture.european,soc.culture.europe,so
c.culture.polish,soc.culture.germany
>>>On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:25:52 GMT, c@c.cc wrote:
>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>September 2004, page 86
>>>Book Review
>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>By Lenni Brenner, ed. Barricade Books, 2002, 342 pp. List:$22; AET:
>>>$15.
>>>Reviewed by Sara Powell
>>>It's no secret that Zionism embraced political expediency to
advance
>>>the cause of carving Eretz-Israel from the land of its native
>>>inhabitants. In his 1983 book, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators,
>>>Lenni Brenner shows that 20th century Zionists observed shockingly
few
>>>limits to that expediency. Not surprisingly, the book received
little
>>>coverage in the American media.

>>>Now, in 51 Documents, Brenner has compiled a wide variety of
letters,
>>>statements, articles, and judgements?some of which appeared in his
>>>earlier  book?by a broad array of activists and authors, that
>>>documents Zionist cooperration with the Nazis.

>>>On the face of it, the notion seems absurd. However, Brenner
>>>presents the case?made in many Zionists? own words?that the Nazi
>>>agenda of expelling the Jews from Germany fit nicely with the
>>>Zionist plan for enticing those Jews into settling in Palestine and
>>>creating a new Jewish nation.

>>>In addition to introductory and concluding chapters, the book is
>>>organized into five sections which lead the reader through early,
>>>pre-Zionist documents; pre-Holocaust ideological factions; the
>>>Holocaust era itself; and a chapter on the Stern Gang and the
Nazis.

>>>Readers should note that a few documents are not indicative of
>>>collaboration in and of themselves, but provide the background to
>>>others written in response.

>>>These latter do indicate levels of collaboration between Zionists
and
>>>fascists, both the Nazis in Germany, and those in Mussolini's
Italy.
>>>Brenner's brief explanatory notes at the beginning of each document
>>>are helpful, as are the glossary and index.

>>>51 Documents assumes a certain knowledge of Zionist history, and
>>>requires a close reading and some deconstructive efforts on the
part
>>>of the reader. Those willing to commit the time and effort,
however,
>>>are rewarded with some stunning revelations. The reason some
>>>Zionists eschewed the boycott against Hitler?s Germany, for
instance, is
>>>that they had a financial deal?Ha'avara?with Germany allowing Jews
to
>>>exchange their wealth for goods to be exported to Palestine at less
of
>>>a loss, as an incentive to emigrate. Those wondering why Zionists
>>>today are so organized and experienced in their public relations
>>>efforts discover that these battles have been fought before.
>>>Moreover, the section on Nazi and Zionist understandings of
'nationality'
>>>versus citizenship reveals how German and Israeli practices are
based on
>>>the same concept.

>>>51 Documents also sheds a whole new light on the term Holocaust
>>>guilt, frequently understood to mean Western, non-Jewish guilt for
>>>not acting against the Holocaust earlier. However, these documents
>>>make it clear that Holocaust guilt began with those Zionists who
>>>made the undoubtedly difficult, but politically expedient choice to
>>>place Eretz-Israel at the top of their priorities, above the lives
of
>>>their threatened European brethren.

>>>From a Zionist Executive Meeting speech by Yitzhak Gruenbaum on
>>>Feb. 18, 1943:

>>>And when some asked me: Can't you give money from Keren Ha Yesod
>>>(Palestine Foundation Fund) to save Jews in the Diaspora? I said:
>>>?No!  And again I say no....And, because of these things, people
>>>called me an anti-Semite, and concluded that I'm guilty, for the
fact
>>>that we don't give ourselves completely to rescue actions.(p. 211)

>>>However difficult it may be, the reader must confront some rather
>>>disturbing conclusions. The most unsettling realization for this
>>>reviewer is that pre-Holocaust Zionists were able to politically
>>>align themselves with the Nazis because both groups fundamentally
saw
>>>race as an important dividing line?and, moreover, were determined
to
>>>keep it that way.

>>>From Vladimir Jabotinsky to Albert Einstein,'assimilation' of Jews
>>>into the societies in which they lived was not an acceptable
option.
>>>Rather, Jewish nationalism required equality on a national level,
not
>>>a personal one. As Jabotinsky explained, 'It is impossible for a
man
>>>to become assimilated with people whose blood is different from his
>>>own'
>>>(p. 10); in Einstein?s words, ?Palestine is first and foremost not
a
>>>refuge for East European Jews, but the incarnation of a reawakening
>>>sense of national solidarity? (p. 29).

>>>Finally, David Yisraeli, a member of the STERN  GANG, , wrote the
>>>following in late 1940, as part of a proposal to Hitler. It was
>>>delivered in 1941 to two German diplomats in Lebanon.

>>>3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and
>>>totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would
be
>>>in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German
>>>position of power in the Near East (p. 301).

>>>Such beliefs, of course, were not limited to Nazis and Zionists.
>>>Scientific and philosophical constructs of the day considered such
>>>differentiation legitimate, and ideas of racial difference?and,
>>>therefore, racial supremacy?were practiced around the world.

>>>Another disturbing conclusion a reader must inevitably face is that
>>>Zionists learned both tactical and political lessons from the Nazis
>>>and that, even today, these lessons are applied to further the
>>>Zionist cause. Although most likely known to potential readers of
this
>>>book,another disturbing element is the cover-up of the less than
savory
>>>roles of current Israeli leaders, including former prime ministers,
in
>>>the terrorist Irgun and Stern Gang just before, during, and after
the
>>>Holocaust. Likewise, the succumbing of various U.S. officials to
>>>Zionist pressure is a familiar, but distressing, story.

>>>51 Documents seems to represent a renewed attempt by Brenner to
>>>bring information regarding Zionist collaboration with the Nazis to
U.S.
>>>supporters of Israel, as well as to Jews and Muslims, in order to
>>>expand dialogue with knowledge, and save lives 'both Palestinian
>>>and Israeli' in the process. Readers of 51 Documents will find it
>>>difficult not to remove the rose colored glasses that so many seem
to wear
>>>when examining Zionism.


# 5                           The Kastner Case
ZHID  KOLABORACI WITH EICHMANN & NAZIS!!
Extracted from a pamphlet issued by BAZO-PS - 1981

Introduction

The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is
that involving Rudolf Kastner.

Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner.
Those who have, are generally under the impression that
there is some "controversy" about negotiations he undertook
for "the purchase of Jewish lives for money and military
equipment," but that he was "fully rehabilitated" by the
Supreme Court of Israel.

The Accusations

Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:

Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the
British Medical Research Council, was one of the few
escapees from Auschwitz. In his memoirs published in
February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald, he wrote:

I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that -
I accuse certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly
deeds of the war.

This small group of quislings knew what was happening to
their brethren in Hitler's gas chambers and bought their
own lives with the price of silence.

Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke
for all Jews in Hungary.
While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz - the number is
still on my arm - I compiled careful statistics of the
exterminations...I took these terrible statistics with me
when I escaped in 1944 and I was able to give Hungarian
Zionist leaders three weeks notice that Eichmann planned
to send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers...
Kastner went to Eichmann and told him, "I know of your plans;
spare some Jews of my choice and I shall keep quiet."

Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S.
uniform and took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends.

Nor did the sordid bargaining end there.

Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this
little fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom
when Germany collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine...
(Ben Hecht, Perfidy, pp 261-2)

These accusations are confirmed by the "Eichmann Confessions"
published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:

"I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the
commander stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off
in a lightning operation, I wanted to set an example for
future campaigns elsewhere...In obedience to Himmler's
directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish
political officials in Budapest...Among them, Dr. Rudolph Kastner,
authorized representative of the Zionist Movement.

This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the
Jews from resisting deportation - and even keep order in the
collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let a few
hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to
Palestine. It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the
camps, the price...was not too high for me.

"...We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me,
Kastner smoked cigarets as though he were in a coffeehouse.
While we talked he would smoke one aromatic cigaret after
another, taking them from a silver case and lighting them
with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve
he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.

"Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for
a select group of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Palestune...

"As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity
between our attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these
immensely idealistic Zionist leaders....I believe that Kastner
would have sacrificed a thousand or a hundred thousand of his
blood to achieve his political goal...
'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have
this group here'. And because Kastner rendered us a great
service by helping keep the deportation camps peaceful, I
would let his groups escape. After all, I was not
concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews...
That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner."
(Hecht, Ibid., pp.260-61)

Quite clearly these accusations, whether true or false,
do not relate merely to "the purchase of Jewish lives for
money and military equipment."

Are the accusations against Kastner true?
According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie.
When Malchiel Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli
citizen published these accusations against Kastner, the
Israeli Government did rather more  than demand that his
views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent Zionist
official Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of
Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General
of the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
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nord@powernetonline.com


Subject: Kastner Case=ZHID KOLLABORACI WITH NAZIS!!

From: Elias Davidsson (edavid@itn.is)
Subject: Zionism. The Kastner case (1/2)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel
Date: 1997/07/12

The Kastner Case

Introduction

Rather than answer every complaint in the same detail, we are taking
up the issue which the VJBD has declared to be the most offensive of
all and will show that on this question 'The documentation available
is overwhelming and its message is thundering", just as Palestine
Speaks claimed in one of the extracts complained about by the VJBD.

Since the accusation of direct Zionist cooperation and assistance in
the extermination of hundreds of thousands of Jewish people, and the
accusation that this flowed logically from shared aims, are clearly
the most 'extreme' and 'offensive' accusations of Nazi-Zionist
collaboration broadcast on 3CR programs, we will deal with this first,
and in greater detail.

Since the 'Kastner case' is the subject of most of the broadcasts
concerning collaboration which have been specifically complained
about, we shall go into this in greatest detail, and have put some
books in as evidence about it. Having answered the VJBD where its
case appears strongest, and on the points to which it has given
greatest emphasis,we hope it may become apparent to the Tribunal that
things are not quite what they may have appeared before this inquiry
began.

The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
involving Rudolf Kastner.

Most Jewish people in Australia have never heard of Rudolf Kastner.
Those who have, are generally under the impression that there is some
'controversy' about negotiations he undertook for 'the purchase of
Jewish lives for money and military equipment', but that he was 'fully
ehabilitated' by the Supreme Court of Israel.

That is exactly the line taken by Dr. John Foster, the Victorian
Jewish Board of Deputies expert witness, in his evidence condemning
3CR for anti-semitism.

It is quite clear from this evidence, that Dr. Foster does not know
anything at all about the Kastner case, since he does not even know
what Kastner was accused of.

This may not be his fault however, since one cannot read an accurate
account of the Kastner case in any of the widely available works
dealing with the Holocaust, either in bookshops or libraries. Apart
>from 3CR, the suppression of information has been so complete, that
even an expert like Dr. Foster, specifically asked to give evidence on
the matter, has been unable to find out what it is all about.

The Accusations
----------------
Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:

"Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
Medical Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz.
In his memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily
Herald, he wrote:

'I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that - I accuse
certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.

This small group of quislings knew what was happening to their
brethren in Hitler's gas chambers and bought their their own lives
with the price of silence. Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the
council which spoke for all Jews in Hungary. While I was prisoner
number 44070 at Auschwitz - the number is still on my arm - I compiled
careful statistics of the exterminations...I took these terrible
statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I was able to give
Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that Eichmann planned to
send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers...Kastner went to
Eichmann and told him, 'I know of your plans; spare some Jews of my
choice and I shall keep quiet.'

Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
bargaining end there.

Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this little
fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom when Germany
collapsed,to set himself up in the Argentine..."(Ben Hecht, op.cit.
pp261-2)

These accusations are confirmed by the 'Eichmann Confessions'
published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:

"I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning
operation, I wanted to set an example for future campaigns
elsewhere...In obedience to Himmler's directive I now concentrated on
negotiations with the Jewish political officials in Budapest...Among
them Dr. Rudolph Kastner, authorized representative of the Zionist
Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
lawyer and a fanatical Zionist.
He agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation - and even
keep order in the collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let
a few hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to
Palestine.
It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price...was
not too high for me.

We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoked
cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
smoke one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver
case and lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish
and reserve he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.

Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group
of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel...

As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
Zionist leaders....I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political
oal...'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have this
group here'.

And because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping
keep the deportation camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape.
After all, I was not concerned with small groups of a thousand or so
Jews...
That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner" (Hecht, ibid,
p.26ö-61)

Quite clearly these accusations, whether true or false, do not relate
merely to 'the purchase of Jewish lives for money and military
equipment', as Dr. Foster imagines, and the term 'collaboration' is
the term that would apply. It seems unlikely that if Dr. Foster had
known what the accusation actually was, he would have condemned 3CR
saying 'In these circumstances, to talk of collaboration is malicious
and absurd'.

Are the accusations against Kastner true?

According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
than demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a
prominent Zionist official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the
Ministry of Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of
the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.

The Verdict
------------
Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi in Israel's District Court of
Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
The Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
studied carefully, since a substantial extract from it, broadcast on
3CR, has been complained about by the VJBD as allegedly offensive to
the Jewish community, likely to promote anti-semitism, likely to
promote racism, in bad taste and contrary to common sense.

It is the actual words used that are the subject of the Board's
complaint, not the manner of their representation by 3CR. Presumably
the Board itself was not aware just whose words they were when it made
its' complaint, which shows how complete suppression of information
can backfire on the censors themselves.

Here then are excerpts from the verdict of Judge Halevi, who later
became one of the panel of three judges that tried Eichmann:

"The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the
deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
confidence in the false information that they were being transferred
to Kenyermeze.

The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
they not spread their false information through Jewish channels.

The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
others used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to
mislead the Jews.
They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
of Jewish leaders.

The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
leaders of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
spreading such false information and did not protest.

Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.

The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
hampering the deportation orders.

Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
dozen police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attemptt to
overpower these few guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance
activities to the deportations were organized in these ghettos.

And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
Jews in the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.

The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
their own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish
leaders who did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
deportations...these same leaders did not join the people of their
community n their ride to Auschwitz, but were all included in the
Rescue train.

The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
extermination permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish
Council in Budapest to save themselves, their relatives, and friends.
The Nazis did this as a means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom
they favoured, dependent on the Nazi regime, dependent on its good
will during the time of its fatal deportation schedule. In short, the
Nazis succeeded in bringing the Jewish leaders into oollaboration with
the Nazis at the time of the catastrophe.

The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
Jewry and the most trusted by the Jews.

The Nazis drew a lesson from the Warsaw ghetto and other belligerent
ghettos. They learned that Jews were able to sell their lives very
expensively if honorably guided.

Eichmann did not want a second Warsaw. For this reason, the Nazis
exerted themselves to mislead and bribe the Jewish leaders.

The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
task easier.

The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
chiefs.

It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
underground.

The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
Nazis interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did
the S.S. chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the
Jewish Rescue Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?

The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
these German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of
the extermination plan of the killers ?

The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner's Rescue
Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
friends in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary - their total
annihilation.

The Nazi's patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
six hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the
Jews.
Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
to him greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as
a great personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success
that would also justify his conduct - his political negotiation with
Nazis and the Nazi patronage of his committee.

When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
soul to the German Satan. The sacrifice of the vital interests of the
majority of the Jews, in order to rescue the prominents, was the basic
element in the agreement between Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement
fixed the division of the nation into two unequal camps: a small
fragment of prominents, whom the Nazis promised Kastner to save, on
the one hand, and the great majority of Hungarian Jews whom the Nazis
designated for death, on the other hand.
An imperative condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis
was that Kastner will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against
the other camp and will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner
fulfilled this condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of
the prominents and treated the camp of the doomed as if they had
already been wiped out from the book of the living.

One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner's collaboration and
put down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are
not only the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in
the border area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the
chief of their rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.

All of Kastner's answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
to evade this truth.

Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
wall of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he drated
quickly to another."

(Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53; Attorney
Generalv. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem, June 22,
1955).

Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
'new line' of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:

"From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the 'new line'
stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.

According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
Jews.

This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
'rescue' work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
of Kastner's involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
criminals.

Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
Kastner also needed an alibi for himself.

Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
Exterminators of the Jews was solidifed in Budapest and Vienna.
Kastner's duties were part and parcel of the genral duties of the S.S.

In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
the Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.

All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
were coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler". (ibid)

Judge Halevi continues:

"Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
when he denied he had interceded in Becher's hehalf. Moreover, he
concealed the important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name
of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish World Congress.

As to the contents of Kastner's affidavit, it was enough for the
defense to prove Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the
prosecution to remove Becher from this status, if they wished to
negate the affidavit.

The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
criminal.

The lies in the contents of Kastner's affidavit, the lies in his
testimony concerning the document, and Kastner's knowing participation
in the activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the
last minute fake rescue activities - all these combine to show one
overwhelming truth - that this affidavit was not given in good faith.

Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
stood up against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has
declared in the affidavit.

The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews
but to serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth
and no good faith in Kastner's testimony, 'I never doubted for one
moment the good intention of good Becher'.

It is clear that the positive recommandation by Kastner, not only in
his own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish
World Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not
exaggerate when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because
of his personal intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and
the contradictions and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies,
were sufficient to annul the value of his statements and to prove that
there was no good faith in his testimony in favor of this German war
criminal.
Kastner's affidavit in favor of Becher was a willfully false affidavit
given in favor of a war criminal to save him from trial and punishment
n Nuremberg.

Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of
his statements." (ibid)

Judge Halevi's verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of
libel against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one
unproven accusation - that Kastner had actually collected money from
his Nazi partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge
also ordered the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred
Israeli pounds as court costs.

In fairness to Kastner it should me mentioned that as well as having
been unpaid, it was never established that he ever wore S.S. uniform.

Nevertheless, this verdict, and the evidence on which it was based,
completely establishes the truth of everything said on 3CR about the
matter.

If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial
pointed to much more than that.

But the story does not end there.

The Reaction
-------------
Public opinion in Israel was almost unanimous in demanding that
Kastner and his associates should be put on trial. Remember that up to
now it was Kastner's accuser who was on trial.

The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha'am (Voice of the People) wrote:

"All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary
know now clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder" (23 June
1955)

In the authoritative Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz, the leading political
journalist, Dr. Moshe Keren wrote:

"Kastner must be brought to trial as a Nazi collaborator. And at this
trial, Kastner should defend himself as a private citizen, and not be
defended by the Israeli Government..." (14 July 1955).

*Haboker*, the pro-Government General Zionist party paper stated:
"The public wants to know the real facts about Kastner, and not about
him alone. The only way to find out the truth is to put all the Rescue
Committee people on trial and give them a chance to offer their
defense." (23 June 1955)

But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
Government of Israel.

As the evening paper *Yedi'ot Aharonot* said:
"If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
political and national collapse - as a result of what such a trial may
disclose." (23 June 1955)

Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
instead it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for
criminal libel.

As Dr. Karlebach wrote in Israel's largest evening newspaper,
*Ma'ariv*:
"What is going on here? The Attorney General has to mobilize all the
government power, appear himself in court, to justify and defend
collaboration with Himmler! And in order to defend a quisling, the
government must drag through the streets one of the grimmest stories
of our history!

At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the
government announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed - an
appeal filed.
What exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess
such lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an
appeal on a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?! (24
June 1955)

At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General
of Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel
was defending Kastner so strongly:  "The man Kastner does not stand
here as a private individual. He was a recognized representative,
official or non-official of the Jewish National Institutes in
Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I come here in this court
to defend the representative of our national institutions." (Hecht, p.
268)

The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner's collaboration
was not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
leadership.

So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court.
But the story gets worse.

The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in
the name of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On
this point Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not 'fully
rehabilitated'.

The Supreme Court also accepted the FACTS established in the lower
court - that Kastner DELIBERATELY concealed the truth about Auschwitz
>from the majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to
take a thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being
'fully rehabilitated'.

The Majority Judgement
-------------------------
But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging
these FACTS, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to
two, found that Kastner's actions were MORALLY JUSTIFIABLE and
convicted Greenwald of criminal libel for calling this
'collaboration'.

In saying that 3CR broadcasts concealed the fact that Kastner had been
fully rehabilitated by the Israeli Supreme Court, Dr. Foster is
totally missing the point.

Kastner's actions only proved that HE was a Nazi collaborator. It is
the defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel
that prove conclusively that ZIONISM approves of Nazi collaboration.

The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not REHABILITATE
Kastner.
They JOINED him.

Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
Chesin:

"...What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in
Kluj, people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at
the end of their journey...Kastner spoke in detail of the situation,
saying, 'The Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the
tree'.
This vivid description coincides with the testimony of another witness
about the Hungarian Jews, 'This was a big Jewish community in Hungary,
without any ideological Jewish backbone' (Moshe Shweiger, a Kastner
aide in Budapest, protocol 465).

I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, 'The
Jews of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable,
neither physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations
with force against the deportation scheme'...From this point of view
no rescue achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz
news to the Jewish leaders there, and this...is a consideration which
one  can properly conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.

And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner
when he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not
result from his great dispair because of the helplessness of the
Jewish community.
Even then, I say, this is still not considered willful collaboration
and assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate
that Kastner's efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big
scale...And towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go
very far and say that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent
knowingly, in submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to
save a few Jews from Hell - this is still no proof that he stained his
hands by collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out
their plan to exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.

Even if, through these activities of his - or rather, his omission -
the extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the
question is not whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save
a few, or vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and
should be defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is
awaiting its doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few,
although part of his efforts involve concealment of truth from the
many or should he disclose the truth to many though it is his best
opinion that this way everybody will perish. I think that the answer
is clear. What good will the blood of the few bring if everybody is to
perish?...As I said, I am not arguing with the basic factual findings
of the learned President of the Jewish District Court (Judge Halevi)
but it seems to me, with all due respect, that his findings do not, as
of necessity, demand the conclusion he has arrived at.
That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the
extermination of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad
leadership both from a moral and public point of view...

In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people
who boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to
extermination, one has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi,
Brand, Revis and Marton, and many more leaders and half-leaders who
gagged themselves in an hour of crisis and did not inform others of
what was known to them and did not warn and did not cry out of the
coming danger....

Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District
Court with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on
Kastner of collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish
people in Hungary during the last war." (Hecht, ibid, pp.270-2)

n other words, the Court approved of Kastner's contempt for the
Hungarian Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing
exactly what many other Zionist leaders had half-leaders did -
concealing their knowledge of the Nazi extermination plans so that
Jews would board the trains to Auschwitz peacefully while their
Zionist 'leaders' boarded a different train for Palestine.

The Minority Judgement
--------------------------
It cannot be said that ALL top Zionists leaders actively approved of
Nazi collaboration in this way. Indeed the most precise answer to this
sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is provided in the minority
judgement of S>>>>The declaration of the learned Attorney General
therefore shrinks into Supreme Court Judge Moshe Silberg:

"I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among
the leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not
have a clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are
dealing here with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make
judgements on the guilt of others....

an opinion....'Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no
ray of hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as
he, as a result of his personal dispair, did not disclose the secret
of the extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue
of the few - therefore he acted in good faith and should not be
accused of collaborating with the Nazis in expediting the
extermination of the Jews, even though, in fact, he brought about its
result.'

I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive
such an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in
cooperation with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and
without the knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion,
the decisive consideration in the problem facing us. The charge
emanating from the testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that
had they known of the Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of
thousands would have been able to save their lives by local, partial,
specific or indirect rescue operations like local revolts, resistance,
escapes, hidings, concealment of children with Gentiles, forging of
documents, ransom money, bribery, etc - and when this is the case and
when one deals with many hundreds of thousands, how does a human
being, a mortal, reject with complete certainty and with an extreme
'no' the efficiency of all the many and varied rescue ways? How can he
examine the tens of thousands of possibilities? Does he decide instead
of God? Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation of the last hope
of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith as his
defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer
to a claim of such good faith...

If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people
die so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he
will come out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he
as an individual erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving
the other patients. He is a collaborator with the angel of death.

Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with
complete loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal
rescue operation could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.

And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which
was put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then
Kastner himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never
make this claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in
his report to the Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to
many ghettos in the countryside and pleaded with them to organize
escapes and to refuse to board the trains. And though the story of
these pleadings is untrue, and the silence of Kastner in Kluj is
proven, the very uttering of these statements entirely contradicts the
claim that Kastner had concealed the news about the fate of the ghetto
inmates in good faith and only as a result of his complete despairing
of the chances of escaping or resisting the Germans. You can not claim
at the same time helplessness and activity.
Anyway, such a claim is not convincing...

We can sum up with three facts:
A. That the Nazis didn't want to have a great revolt - 'Second Warsaw'
- nor small revolts, and their passion was to have the extermination
machine working smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to
Kastner from the best source - from Eichmann himself - And he had
additional proofs of that when he witnessed all the illusionary and
misleading tactics which were being taken by the Nazis from the first
moment of occupation.

B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with - or
the escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming
murder.
This fact is known to every man and one does not need any proof of
evidence for this.

C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire
of the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.

And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner...He who is capable of
rescuing this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this
great war criminal were not so horryfying or despicable in his
eyes...I couldn't base the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it
been alone, but when it is attached even from afar to the whole scene
of events it throws retroactive light on the whole affair and serves
as a dozen proofs of our conclusion." (Supreme Court Judge, Moshe
Silberg, 1957)

Conclusion
-----------
If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever
their attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might
have been under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not
advocate collaboration with the Nazis.

One could then at least understand the complaints by Mr. Bloch,
President of the Victorian Jewish Board of Deputies, about the
'dragging in of alleged episodes in the history of Jewish/Nazi
relationships'.

But Judge Silberg's judgement was that of a minority.

The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history,
being 'dragged in' to discredit an opponent.

It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration
with the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.

Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner
gave on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him
to remain a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations
and with an estimated personal worth of $30 million.

Becher has even used his certification as a 'good' SS officer to give
evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in
West Germany.

Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with
the Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only
presure that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for
fear of what might come out.

Likewise, none of Kastner's associates on the Zionist Relief and
Rescue Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put
on trial as demanded by Israeli public opinion. Let alone the hundreds
of 'prominents' who helped Kastner to reassure the Hungarian Jews that
they were going to Kenyermeze and not Auschwitz, in exchange for
tickets on the one train that took them eventually to Palestine.

As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarassment to the
Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did
was approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization)
leadership in Palestine. He is, as Dr. Foster so delicately puts it,
'now dead'.

Or putting it less delicately, on 3 March 1957 he was shot by Zeer
Eckstein - immediately after the appeal hearings were concluded, and
before the judgement 'rehabilitating' him was delivered. Eckstein was
not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent of the Israeli
secret service.
(Hecht, ibid., p.208. Another 'fantastic allegation' no doubt; but
admitted in court during the murder trial).

Clearly this issue has a major indirect relevance to the Arab-Israeli
dispute. Apart from countering Israel's cynical use of the holocaust
as a propaganda weapon, it answers a very real concern that many
people have about the State of Israel and the Jews. This concern is
whether, if Jews had a State of their own during the holocaust many
more could have been saved, and whether this is not an essential
future consideration, at least as an insurance policy.

The facts of the Kastner case show that the very existence of the
Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) was an actual help to the
Nazis and that more could have been saved if the Zionist movement had
not existed.
Having a State that approves of actions like those of Kastner for an
insurance policy, is like using petrol for a fire extinguisher.

Zionism is not the answer to anti-semitism, but a cowardly proposal to
run away from it. The only answer to anti-semitism is to fight back.

We shall go on to prove this in detail.
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Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:35:10 -0700, Ernst Zundholtz
 wrote:

Looks like the filthy ZHIDS just do not like this well-documented
expose of their holohoax, and the fact that it documents 52 cases of
ZHID COLLABORATION WITH THE NAZIS!!

>>On 28 Nov 2004 10:59:36 -0800, heinrichhimmelfarb@xmail.net
>>(HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote:

This article is so important, it needs to be reposted and passed on,
so that more and more people around the world will come to know the
truth about the ZHID COLLABORATION with nazis.
It will not be surprising to find after even more research, that even
more incidents of ZHID/Nazi COLLABORATION happened!!

Even about the HOLOHOAX, based on zhid lies!!

More and more truth is coming out, about the perfidious ZHID
COLLABORATION with the nazis!!

Surely this should cause those countries paying tribute dollars to the
ZHIDS, to consider demanding repayment?


>>>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:08:44 -0700, Joel Eichmann
>>> wrote:

It will not be surprising for researchers in Poland, Russia and even
Germany and Switzerland, to produce even more evidence of even more
COLLABORATION between the zionists and their colleagues in Germany!!

>>>>On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:41:32 -0700, dandelion
>> wrote:

>>>>Now that more and more research, with supporting documentation, is
>>>>being made public, documenting the collaboration of the ZIONAZIS
with
>>>>the nazis, slime like Shiksa Sueee Cohen do not want this TRUTH
made
>>>>public.

>>>>Even German historians such as C. Lange are now making public
their
>>>>findings, to the chagrin of the ZHID COLLABORATORS.

>>>>It was not only the notorious KASTNER CASE!!


Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case -
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
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Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
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ZYD MADOFF+Financial Meltdown/Job Losses sparking anti-ZYD upsurge
worldwide

Canadian Jew News on page 2 of the issue for January 1 2009 reports:

Leading newspaper in Greece, Avriani, call Madoff's ponzi scam 
" the Jewish Connection".

The article was headlined on the front page, with another five pages
in the issue of the newspaper for December 21 2008.

At least 6 times was emphasised that Madoff was a ZYD, as well as
emphasising that ZYDS are behind all the world's problems with
financial institutions.

ADL: Financial crisis sparking anti-Semitic upsurge on Internet  
From: O.Peters 
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:18:34 -0600

On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:47:11 GMT,
, "007"
<007@world.org> wrote:

      ADL: Financial crisis sparking anti-Semitic upsurge on Internet

      By Shlomo Shamir, Haaretz Correspondent

      Tags: Israel News, Financial crisis

      The Anti-Defamation League reported Thursday a major upsurge in
the number of anti-Semitic postings on the Internet relating to the
financial  crisis engulfing the United States.

      The Jewish-American organization cited hundreds of posts
regarding the bankrupt investment bank Lehman Brothers and other
institutions affected by the subprime mortgage crisis. The messages
railed against Jews in general, with some charging that Jews control
the U.S. government and finance as part of a "Jew world order" and
therefore are to blame for the economic turmoil.

      Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director, said: "We know from
modern history that whenever there is a downturn in the global
economy, therewill be an upturn in the level of anti-Semitism and
bigotry, and that is what we are seeing now."

      http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1025970.html


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website 
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn 
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

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Some Teachings of the Jew/ZYD  Talmud

"Adrian Dharma Wijaya (Adri)"  wrote in message 
news:5g2dv9F3cnmgsU1@mid.individual.net...
Some Teachings of the Jew/ZYD  Talmud

> Where a Jew Should Do Evil

> Moed Kattan 17a: If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city 
> where he is not known and do the evil there.

> Penalty for Disobeying Rabbis

> Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be
> punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.

> Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God

> Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be
> killed.

> O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews

> Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed 
> him for work.

> Jews Have Superior Legal Status

> Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there
> is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an
> Israelite...the payment is to be in full."

> Jews May Steal from Non-Jews

> Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it
> does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b). 
> Sanhedrin

> 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or
> takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."

> Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews

> Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no
> death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.

> Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God
> has "exposed their money to Israel."

> Jews May Lie to Non-Jews

> Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a 
> Gentile.

> Non-Jewish Children are Sub-Human

> Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.

> Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from 
> birth.

> Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.

> Insults Against Blessed Mary

> Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the 
> descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in
> footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b of the Soncino edition, it is stated that in
> the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, 
> "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.

> Talmudic Doctrine: Non-Jews are not Human

> The Talmud specifically defines all who are not Jews as non-human animals,
> and specifically dehumanizes Gentiles as not being descendants of Adam. 
> Here are some of the Talmud passages which relate to this topic.

> Kerithoth 6b: Uses of Oil of Anointing. "Our Rabbis have taught: He who
> pours the oil of anointing over cattle or vessels is not guilty; if over
> gentiles (goyim) or the dead, he is not guilty. The law relating to cattle
> and vessels is right, for it is written: "Upon the flesh of man (Adam),
> shall it not be poured (Exodus 30:32]); and cattle and vessels are not man
> (Adam).

> "Also with regard to the dead, [it is plausible] that he is exempt, since
> after death one is called corpse and not a man (Adam). But why is one 
> exempt in the case of gentiles (goyim); are they not in the category of man 
> (Adam)?
> No, it is written: 'And ye my sheep, the sheep of my pasture, are man"
> (Adam); [Ezekiel 34:31]: Ye are called man (Adam) but gentiles (goyim) are
> not called man (Adam)."

> In the preceding passage, the rabbis are discussing the portion of the
> Mosaic law which forbids applying the holy oil to men.

> The Talmud states that it is not a sin to apply the holy oil to

> Gentiles, because Gentiles are not human beings (i.e. are not of Adam).

> Another example from tractate Yebamoth 61a: "It was taught: And so did R.
> Simeon ben Yohai state (61a) that the graves of gentiles (goyim) do not
> impart levitical uncleanness by an ohel [standing or bending over a 
> grave], for it is said, 'And ye my sheep the sheep of my pasture, are men (Adam),
> [Ezekiel 34:31]; you are called men (Adam) but the idolaters are not 
> called men (Adam)."

> The Old Testament Mosaic law states that touching a human corpse or the
> grave of a human imparts uncleanness to those who touch it. But the Talmud
> teaches that if a Jew touches the grave of a Gentile, the Jew is not
> rendered unclean, since Gentiles are not human (not of Adam).

> From Baba Mezia 114b: ""A Jewish priest was standing in a graveyard. When
> asked why he was standing there in apparent violation of the Mosaic law, 
> he replied that it was permissible, since the law only prohibits Jews from
> coming into contact with the graves of humans (Adamites), and he was
> standing in a gentile graveyard. For it has been taught by Rabbi Simon ben
> Yohai: 'The graves of gentiles [goyim] do not defile. For it is written,
> 'And ye my flock, the flock of my pastures, are men (Adam)' (Ezekiel 
> 34:31); only ye are designated men (Adam)."

> Ezekiel 34:31 is the alleged Biblical proof text repeatedly cited in the
> preceding three Talmud passages. But Ezekiel 34:31 does not in fact 
> support the Talmudic notion that only Israelites are human. What these rabbinical,
> anti-Gentile racists and ideologues have done in asserting the preceding
> absurdities about Gentiles is distort an Old Testament passage in order to
> justify their bigotry.

> In Berakoth 58a the Talmud uses Ezekiel 23:20 as proof of the sub-human
> status of gentiles. It also teaches that anyone (even a Jewish man) who
> reveals this Talmudic teaching about non-Jews deserves death, since
> revealing it makes Gentiles wrathful and causes the repression of Judaism.

> The Talmudic citation of this scripture from Ezekiel as a "proof-text" is
> specious, since the passage does not prove that Gentiles are animals. The
> passage from Ezekiel only says that some Egyptians had large genital 
> organs and copious emissions. This does not in any way prove or even connote that
> the Egyptians being referred to in the Bible were considered animals. Once
> again, the Talmud has falsified the Bible by means of distorted
> interpretation.

> Other Talmud passages which expound on Ezekiel 23:20 in this racist 
> fashion are: Arakin 19b, Berakoth 25b, Niddah 45a, Shabbath 150a, Yebamoth 98a.
> Moreover, the original text of Sanhedrin 37a applies God's approval only 
> to the saving of Jewish lives (cf. the Hesronot Ha-shas, Cracow, 1894).

> website address   : http://www.adriandw.com (about christian, jew and 
> islam; history, knowledge, teaching and practice on life)
> e - mail address   : adriandw@centrin.net.id
> Cellphone/Mobile/Hand Phone : +62 816 705 818

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website 
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn 
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

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FOULNESS OF ARIADNE-Disgusting Pics!

Foulness of ariadne Spouting Off! Disgusting!!
FOUL ARIADNE spouting off [she also posts as Vira Perks!]

On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 02:03:32 +0100, aracari

wrote:
>On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:48:28 -0700  'Jason P'
>posted stuff on uk.politics.misc:
>>"aracari"  wrote in message 
>>news:13f3g0a924b5oac@corp.supernews.com...
>>> On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 01:29:32 +0100  'aracari'
>>> posted stuff on uk.politics.misc:

>>>>I know how enormously popular this candid picture of Ariadne is,
>>>>so I've re-activated it for everybody's pleasure.....

>>>>Here's a new permanent link:

>>>> http://www.toucano.plus.com/ariadne_spouting_off.jpg

>>> And for good measure, here's one of her sister-in-law *before*
>>> she put on some weight:
>>> http://www.toucano.plus.com/bunda1.jpg

>>Wow, what a wide body!
And here is where I find friends:
http://gayfriendfinder.com 

It seems that the government of NZ have enough sense, that they would
not
allow it into the country!!

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Wildhare 
wrote:
>Don't even think about immigrating to New Zealand.

> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/17/wfat117.xml

Good for the kiwis!  The US should have similar standards.


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website 
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library - http://www.ddc.net/ygg
American Renaissance - http://www.amren.com
Campaign for Radical Truth in History - http://www.hoffman-info.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com, 
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR 
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE 
ATLANTA, GA 30315 
(770) 739-6508 
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATLANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
or Ariadne 
or KenMcVay@vex.net

Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg
Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex, 
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Pedofilia w talmudzie = ZYDS!

Pedofilia w talmudzie

On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 03:14:00 -0500, in soc.culture.polish 
"Szuja Inkowska"  wrote:

http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/pedophiliasecret.html 


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Some Teachings of the Jew/ZYD  Talmud

"Adrian Dharma Wijaya (Adri)"  wrote in message 
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Some Teachings of the Jew/ZYD  Talmud

> Where a Jew Should Do Evil

> Moed Kattan 17a: If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city 
> where he is not known and do the evil there.

> Penalty for Disobeying Rabbis

> Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be
> punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.

> Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God

> Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be
> killed.

> O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews

> Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed 
> him for work.

> Jews Have Superior Legal Status

> Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there
> is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an
> Israelite...the payment is to be in full."

> Jews May Steal from Non-Jews

> Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it
> does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b). 
> Sanhedrin

> 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or
> takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."

> Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews

> Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no
> death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.

> Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God
> has "exposed their money to Israel."

> Jews May Lie to Non-Jews

> Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a 
> Gentile.

> Non-Jewish Children are Sub-Human

> Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.

> Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from 
> birth.

> Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.

> Insults Against Blessed Mary

> Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the 
> descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in
> footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b of the Soncino edition, it is stated that in
> the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, 
> "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.

> Talmudic Doctrine: Non-Jews are not Human

> The Talmud specifically defines all who are not Jews as non-human animals,
> and specifically dehumanizes Gentiles as not being descendants of Adam. 
> Here are some of the Talmud passages which relate to this topic.

> Kerithoth 6b: Uses of Oil of Anointing. "Our Rabbis have taught: He who
> pours the oil of anointing over cattle or vessels is not guilty; if over
> gentiles (goyim) or the dead, he is not guilty. The law relating to cattle
> and vessels is right, for it is written: "Upon the flesh of man (Adam),
> shall it not be poured (Exodus 30:32]); and cattle and vessels are not man
> (Adam).

> "Also with regard to the dead, [it is plausible] that he is exempt, since
> after death one is called corpse and not a man (Adam). But why is one 
> exempt in the case of gentiles (goyim); are they not in the category of man 
> (Adam)?
> No, it is written: 'And ye my sheep, the sheep of my pasture, are man"
> (Adam); [Ezekiel 34:31]: Ye are called man (Adam) but gentiles (goyim) are
> not called man (Adam)."

> In the preceding passage, the rabbis are discussing the portion of the
> Mosaic law which forbids applying the holy oil to men.

> The Talmud states that it is not a sin to apply the holy oil to

> Gentiles, because Gentiles are not human beings (i.e. are not of Adam).

> Another example from tractate Yebamoth 61a: "It was taught: And so did R.
> Simeon ben Yohai state (61a) that the graves of gentiles (goyim) do not
> impart levitical uncleanness by an ohel [standing or bending over a 
> grave], for it is said, 'And ye my sheep the sheep of my pasture, are men (Adam),
> [Ezekiel 34:31]; you are called men (Adam) but the idolaters are not 
> called men (Adam)."

> The Old Testament Mosaic law states that touching a human corpse or the
> grave of a human imparts uncleanness to those who touch it. But the Talmud
> teaches that if a Jew touches the grave of a Gentile, the Jew is not
> rendered unclean, since Gentiles are not human (not of Adam).

> From Baba Mezia 114b: ""A Jewish priest was standing in a graveyard. When
> asked why he was standing there in apparent violation of the Mosaic law, 
> he replied that it was permissible, since the law only prohibits Jews from
> coming into contact with the graves of humans (Adamites), and he was
> standing in a gentile graveyard. For it has been taught by Rabbi Simon ben
> Yohai: 'The graves of gentiles [goyim] do not defile. For it is written,
> 'And ye my flock, the flock of my pastures, are men (Adam)' (Ezekiel 
> 34:31); only ye are designated men (Adam)."

> Ezekiel 34:31 is the alleged Biblical proof text repeatedly cited in the
> preceding three Talmud passages. But Ezekiel 34:31 does not in fact 
> support the Talmudic notion that only Israelites are human. What these rabbinical,
> anti-Gentile racists and ideologues have done in asserting the preceding
> absurdities about Gentiles is distort an Old Testament passage in order to
> justify their bigotry.

> In Berakoth 58a the Talmud uses Ezekiel 23:20 as proof of the sub-human
> status of gentiles. It also teaches that anyone (even a Jewish man) who
> reveals this Talmudic teaching about non-Jews deserves death, since
> revealing it makes Gentiles wrathful and causes the repression of Judaism.

> The Talmudic citation of this scripture from Ezekiel as a "proof-text" is
> specious, since the passage does not prove that Gentiles are animals. The
> passage from Ezekiel only says that some Egyptians had large genital 
> organs and copious emissions. This does not in any way prove or even connote that
> the Egyptians being referred to in the Bible were considered animals. Once
> again, the Talmud has falsified the Bible by means of distorted
> interpretation.

> Other Talmud passages which expound on Ezekiel 23:20 in this racist 
> fashion are: Arakin 19b, Berakoth 25b, Niddah 45a, Shabbath 150a, Yebamoth 98a.
> Moreover, the original text of Sanhedrin 37a applies God's approval only 
> to the saving of Jewish lives (cf. the Hesronot Ha-shas, Cracow, 1894).

> website address   : http://www.adriandw.com (about christian, jew and 
> islam; history, knowledge, teaching and practice on life)
> e - mail address   : adriandw@centrin.net.id
> Cellphone/Mobile/Hand Phone : +62 816 705 818

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website 
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http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

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From: "Gnostic" 
Subject: ZYD/Jew money laundering ring busted,
stretched from Brooklyn to Los Angeles to Israel
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:58:29 -0500

U.S. Attorney General's Office filed an indictment in the U.S. District
Court for the Central District of California naming the Chasidic yeshiva 
and
four other Spinka organizations, as well as eight people, in a multimillion
dollar tax fraud and money-laundering ring that stretched from Brooklyn to
Los Angeles to Israel and elsewhere.

http://www.jewishjournal.com/home/preview.php?id=18767

2008-01-11

The Spinka money trail -- and the informant who brought them down

By Amy Klein, Religion Editor

Spinka defendants and supporters as they cross the street to the federal
courthouse in downtown Los Angeles on Dec. 31, 2007. Courthouse photos by
Dan Kacvinski

The first snow flutters hesitantly in Brooklyn. Men wearing fur streimel
hats and women wearing sheitls walk briskly past the corner of 15th Avenue
and 58th Street in Boro Park as if nothing extraordinary has happened here.

And why not? The kosher shops of this self-contained ultra-Orthodox
neighborhood -- practically a city onto itself -- are still a few blocks
down, and here on this bleak corner, there are only three orange school
buses parked in front of a four-story, dark-red brick building, which sits
on a residential street, where tall, narrow houses nearly overlap. The
structure (photo below) is rather nondescript and unimposing -- garbage 
bags
are piled haphazardly by a front gate, bars protect the windows, young boys
can be heard chanting from behind the locked door and a white sign with sky
blue Hebrew lettering reads: "Yeshiva Imrei Yosef Spinka."


A buzzer sounds. The door opens. No one asks who rang the bell. Up the four
steps, a reception window sits empty. Hazy yellow fluorescent lights
illuminate the narrow hallways adorned with graying yellow paint and frayed
industrial carpeting. If there are millions -- or even thousands -- of
dollars going to the Spinka yeshiva, it certainly doesn't seem like it's
coming here.

This despite the fact that on Dec. 19, 2007, the U.S. Attorney General's
Office filed an indictment in the U.S. District Court for the Central
District of California naming the Chasidic yeshiva and four other Spinka
organizations, as well as eight people, in a multimillion dollar tax fraud
and money-laundering ring that stretched from Brooklyn to Los Angeles to
Israel and elsewhere.

Two of those indicted are Rabbi Naftali Tzi Weisz, 59, the Grand Rabbi of
Spinka, a Brooklyn-based Chasidic sect, whose yeshiva is in this
undistinguished building, and his gabbai (assistant), Moshe Zigelman, 60.

Weisz is just one of a number of Grand Rebbes of Spinka, a Chasidic sect
that originated in Romania in the 19th century. He is the
great-great-grandson of the founding rabbi, and one of about a dozen Grand
Spinka Rebbes who live in Boro Park or Williamsburg, in Brooklyn, or Bnei
Brak and Jerusalem in Israel.

Four Los Angeles men were among those charged with taking part in the
scheme: Yaacov (Yankel) Zeivald, 43, a self-described scribe (sofer) from
Valley Village (photo, right); Yosef Nachum Naiman, 55, the owner of Shatz
Et Naiman, d.b.a. Jerusalem Tours; Alan Jay Friedman, 43, a businessman 
from
Pico-Robertson who sits on the board of the Orthodox Union; and Moshe 
Lazar,
60, owner of Lazar Diamonds, a Los Angeles jewelry company.

Although many of the details of the case have not yet been revealed -- a
trial date is set for Feb. 12, but the defendants' lawyers say it will be
postponed at least a year -- what is emerging from the indictment, the
search warrant and other documents of public record is a complex
money-laundering scheme. According to the documents, people donated money 
to
the Spinka institutions but then received 80 percent to 95 percent of their
donations back, yet wrote off the full amount on their taxes.

These charges are just the beginning of a much larger case, Daniel J.
O'Brien, an assistant U.S. attorney in the major frauds section, based in
Los Angeles, said in an interview with The Journal.

"There were many other people that contributed in this fashion that would 
be
the subject of government investigations," O'Brien said.

While O'Brien said he has documentation that the Spinka institutions took 
in
about $750,000 through the scheme -- then writing receipts for $8.7
million -- in 2007 alone, the assistant U.S. attorney believes the fraud 
has
been going on for decades: "I believe this goes on beyond living memory,"
possibly for generations.

This is certainly not the first time an ultra-Orthodox sect has been 
accused
of attempting to break the laws of the secular government -- aramos, or
schemes, were perpetrated over the centuries in the shtetls of Europe. In
the last decade, arrests have occurred in religious communities in 
Brooklyn,
Lakewood, N.J., and upstate New York.

However, this particular case has shocked Los Angeles' ultra-Orthodox
community, not only because Los Angeles had largely been exempt from such
cases in the past, but also because some of the city's prominent members
have been charged as being at the center of the scheme.

As a result, the case has sparked a fierce debate about the type of 
behavior
that is acceptable for observant people and what type of religious 
community
Los Angeles would like to be. But there's also debate about the laws of a
moser, an informant, because one person who was not charged was the primary
source of information for the federal case -- though he allegedly started
out as one of the perpetrators.



THE BEGINNING

On June 29, 2004, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission filed civil
fraud charges against Robert A. Kasirer and four executives of Heritage
Healthcare of America, which sold $131 million in bonds to 1,800 investors
in 36 states from 1996-1999, claiming that the money would be used to fund
10 health care facilities. In October of that year, Kasirer approached the
federal government and "expressed a desire to plead guilty to criminal
charges arising out of the investigation and agreed to reveal other 
criminal
conduct he and others had committed, with a view that any sentence he might
receive would be reduced," according to an affidavit for a search warrant
submitted by FBI Special Agent Ryan Heaton on Dec. 18, 2007.

Although the search warrant affidavit identifies Kasirer only as
"confidential witness (CW-1)" and the recent grand jury indictment refers 
to
a witness named only as RK, the companies in the affidavit attributed to
CW-1 and RK are run by Kasirer, and several members of the Los Angeles
community, who asked for confidentiality, have confirmed his involvement.

In 2004, under federal surveillance, the informant identified in the
transcript as CW-1 resumed activities he admitted to having conducted with
the Spinka since 1990, in which "he caused several million dollars in
contributions to be mailed to the tax-exempt organizations operating within
the umbrella of Spinka," he is quoted in federal documents as having told
the FBI.

As part of the scam, Weisz and Zigelman allegedly would return 80 to 95
percent of Kasirer's contributions.

On Oct. 31, 2007, the SEC issued a final judgment against Kasirer, ordering
him to pay $4,991,434.

"Kasirer consented to the entry of the final judgment without admitting or
denying the allegations contained in the commission's case," according to
the SEC enforcement proceedings.

In the interim, according to the transcripts, Kasirer began to wear a 
device
to record his interactions for the government. On Dec. 20, 2004, he told
Zigelman, the Spinka rebbe's gabbai, that he never intended to pay the SEC.

According to the wiretapped transcripts, Kasirer told Zigelman: "The SEC
investigation is done. But they want me to pay them a lot of money."

"How much?" Zigelman asked.

"Possibly one, one and a half," Kasirer said.

"Million?" Zigelman asked.

Kasirer confirmed the amount and said he had told the SEC he didn't have 
the
money. In the transcript, Kasirer then went on to say that he'd lied to the
SEC, and that, in fact he had the money but wanted to hide that fact.

"What is SEC?" Zigelman asked.

Kasirer explained, and Zigelman replied, "Yes, yes, but you don't have to
give it to them."

For the next three years, Kasirer recorded conversations with targets of 
the
government investigation, and, using government funds, conducted a dozen
monetary transactions with Zigelman, according to transcripts of
conversations conducted in English, Hebrew, Yiddish and Hungarian. The
government also tapped the phones of Zigelman and Weisz.



CASH OR CHARGE?

For Kasirer, there were two ways the operation worked: At first he
reportedly received his "donations" back in cash, and when he became
uncomfortable with the large cash amounts floating around, he set up an
Israeli account.

According to the transcripts, Kasirer's money was allegedly refunded to him
by various men, all now defendants in the case: Naiman, Zeivald, Friedman
and Lazar, all of whom have pleaded not guilty to the charges against them.

Among the transactions in the transcripts, for example, was one on Feb. 8,
2007. Kasirer FedEx-ed a check for $20,000 made out to Yeshiva Imrei Yosef
to Zigelman. On Feb. 15, 2007, Lazar delivered $18,600 to Kasirer's house.
On Feb. 22, 2007, Kasirer got a letter in the mail on a Yeshiva Imrei Yosef
Spinka letterhead thanking Kasirer for his $20,000 donation to a tax-exempt
organization, saying the "donation" was entirely tax deductible and Kasirer
had received no "goods" or "services" in exchange for the contribution.

The Spinka Yeshiva charged Kasirer up to 7.5 percent for laundering the
money, which was a cause for some dispute, according to the wiretaps.

On Dec. 16, 2005, Kasirer told Joseph Roth, an assistant manager at Bank
Mizrahi -- which is based in Israel but has a branch in Los Angeles -- to
set up a new account so he could move money internationally.

On Jan. 12, 2006, Tel Aviv lawyer Jacob Kantor -- the only one of those
named in the indictment who is still at large -- is reported in the
transcripts offering to Kasirer to create documents to incorporate a 
company
called Bedford Holdings & Investments, which would be "held in confidence 
by
the bank and can only be disclosed after a complicated procedure by the 
Bank
of Israel, if there is evidence that the monies resulted from criminal
activities, such as drugs -- tax matters are not an issue." Much like
Switzerland, Israel has laws that protect investors, and the country does
not investigate monetary origins, even on suspicion of tax fraud.

"So, we wanted to basically set everything up the same way as it was
before," Kasirer told Roth in the affidavit transcripts. Later in the
document, he tells Zigelman that Kantor set up a trust in Israel so that
nothing would be left in Kasirer's name in order to hide his money from the
SEC. Then he'd take a loan from the Los Angeles branch of an unnamed 
Israeli
bank, "so I can use the money here." Later, he says in the affidavit, he
would take the money back from Israel and repay the loan here.

Mizrahi Bank, which is never named in the affidavit, is under investigation
by the federal government, according to Assistant U.S. Attorney O'Brien.

"We believe the bank offers this thing as a product to clients in the
U.S. -- the bank pitches this as a money-laundering product. I believe 
there
are multiple agents involved," O'Brien said, including Kantor.

The government also believes that there are many people like Kasirer, "who
occupy the same role as he did in this conspiracy," O'Brien said.

But Kasirer was not the creator of this conspiracy, according to the
government. His father -- the recently deceased Jacob (Yankel) Kasirer who
founded the Bais Yaakov School for Girls on Beverly Boulevard in Los 
Angeles
and is known as a "stalwart" of the Jewish community -- was involved with
the scheme. According to the transcripts, when Kasirer was discussing his
distress over his earlier money-laundering penalty with Lazar, the diamond
dealer said, "It's not something you started."

Kasirer replied, "I was really not aware of what he did with my father."

In addition, in a taped conversation, the Spinka Rebbe told Kasirer he
wanted to meet with his father.

"RK's father was engaged in this prior to RK being involved in it," O'Brien
said in an interview. "We believe that this has origins much earlier than
that -- beyond living memory."




CRIME IS NOT SO BAD

"There are a million ways that religious institutions defraud the
government," said one Brooklyn accountant who asked that his name be
withheld. However, it's not just the Jews, he claimed, "churches do the 
same
thing." Churches and synagogues are exempt from filing tax returns --
although many do -- and the government usually does not audit unless it has
probable cause. As a result, this can make fraud easier.

In the last decade or so, a number of Chasidic institutions on the East
Coast have been charged with such crimes, including the 1997 case against
the Skverer Hasidim in Rockland County, N.Y., where four men were found
guilty of defrauding the government of millions of dollars in federal Pell
Grants. But in the Orthodox community, many defended them, despite the
crime, because the money was used to support needy yeshiva students.

"Nobody here owns a yacht," a resident reportedly said, and the feeling
then -- as with many such institutional fraud cases -- that if the money is
used to help the community and not line someone's pockets, it's not so bad.

That, in fact, is a pervasive attitude these days in Brooklyn, where the
Spinka case raised fewer eyebrows than in Los Angeles, because the attitude
is everyone does something. This kind of discussion has been a hot topic on
many Internet blogs that discuss the ultra-Orthodox community.

"The government are thieves, what gives them the right to take 40 percent 
to
50 percent of someone's income? Anyone who can save yiddishe gelt from 
going
down that toilet is doing a mitzvah," one contributor wrote on the
Vosizneias (Yiddish for "What Is News?") blog.

The blog comments, though, seem to be about evenly divided between two
camps: On one hand are those castigating the government or the bloggers
posting the news for spreading gossip; on the other are those demanding 
that
the community finally put a stop to criminal behavior.

One particularly poignant plea came from New York white-collar defense
attorney Joel Cohen, in an essay published in 2006 titled, "Jewish Felons:
The Problem of Criminality in Observant Communities." Cohen described
witnessing a disturbing rise in crime among Orthodox and Chasidic Jews.

"The problem in the observant community, however, is not merely occasional,
nor does it often make headlines. Daily, in metropolises around the 
country,
yarmulka-wearing criminal defendants appear before the bar of justice," he
wrote.

Some prisons -- especially in New York, Los Angeles and Miami -- have daily
minyans, visiting rabbis, kosher food, classes and Shabbat meals, Cohen
wrote. "The most common charge is fraud: against businessmen and
run-of-the-mill citizens alike, most frequently involving victims outside 
of
the Jewish community, against the government, against insurance carriers,
against banking institutions, health care fraud, money-laundering and
stock-swindling."

Cohen pleads with his fellow Orthodox Jews to denounce the criminal
activity:

"Only with the open denouncement of wrongdoing from within the particular
observant community can the community hope to demonstrate and protect the
Torah's commitment to honesty in one's interpersonal dealings as being at
least equal to, if not greater than, its commitment to technical observance
of mitzvoth," he wrote



DON'T BLAME THE MESSENGER

But the most talked-about aspect of the case -- both among bloggers and at
Shabbat tables on both coasts -- has been the involvement of Kasirer. From
the start, most here guessed accurately who he was -- an informant who
turned state's evidence to save his own skin -- but what they wanted to 
know
was what was he? Was he a moser -- an informer, who, according to
traditional Jewish law, must be killed for turning against a Jew and is
denied access to "the world to come."

The Talmud forbids a Jew to inform on another Jew to a secular government,
even if that Jew violated both secular and Jewish law.

Today, among poskim -- Orthodox rabbinic deciders -- there is a debate over
whether a Jew may turn in another Jew in a democratic state. Some rabbis 
say
that laws of moser do not hold in the United States because they were
established to protect Jews from corrupt and anti-Semitic governments that
would likely torture and give Jews worse treatment than other prisoners 
than
merited by Jewish law.

This is not the case today in a democracy, they say. "These rules apply 
only
to one who informs on another to bandits and so endangers that person's
money and life, as these bandits chase after a person's body and money, and
thus one may use deadly force to save oneself," it is written in the Aruch
Hashulchan, ("Laying the Table," a book about Jewish law written in the 
late
19th century).

But many insist that the laws of moser do apply today, and that it is
forbidden by Jewish law for one Jew to inform on another to any secular
government.

Rabbi Ezra Batzri in "Dinnai Mamonut" ("Laws of Money") says informing is
prohibited. "All rules of informing are applicable even currently .... Even
if they bring all matter to court, it is clear that, through interrogation
and the police, government can destroy people, and in many places they do,
in fact, destroy people."

Some rabbis say you cannot be a moser, even in America, except when the
person doing the questionable act may be a danger to others -- a child
molester, a rapist, a murderer. In those cases, it would be "permitted" to
inform the authorities, writes Rabbi Hershel Schacther, a top posek. Which
means that in the case of financial wrongdoings, a Jew is not allowed to
inform on another Jew.

When the Spinka case broke, the Rabbinical Council of California (RCC)
discussed the informant issue, RCC President Rabbi Meyer May said. But the
council decided to let other halachic authorities deal with the question.

"There is no way to explain how perfidious what RK did is. He violated the
spirit of Jewish law," May said. "Having said that, it doesn't justify what
was done on the other side [by the defendants]."

Although many were focusing on the moser and other justifications like
"everybody does it" and "we pay more taxes than everyone else," that is
beside the point, May said. The point, he continued, is to own up to any
wrongdoings. "Our business is the integrity [of the individual]," he said.
"Something which is wrong is wrong."

Still, others, like lawyer and blog commentator Cohen, argue that it is
precisely such concern about laws like that of moser -- which forbid a Jew
to turn in another Jew to authorities, and chilul Hashem, desecrating God's
name in public, which has created an atmosphere were people are more
concerned with protecting their own than following the laws of the U.S.
government.

"To ignore crime within our ranks does us a great disservice, both because
it weakens us as a community and because tolerating it suggests to the
outside world that Judaism does not promote a righteous moral compass,"
Cohen wrote.



BUSINESS AS USUAL

On Monday morning, Dec. 31, the streets of downtown Los Angeles were eerily
empty; nearly everyone had left town. But the Roybal Federal Courthouse was
open, and by 8:30 a.m. there were enough Chasidic men in the third-floor
corridor for a minyan: 11 -- not to mention a few clean-shaven men wearing
black yarmulkes -- all waiting for the morning's arraignment hearings to
begin.

Grand Spinka Rebbe Weisz didn't converse much with his gabbai Zigelman. The
men pored over Hebrew books -- either studying holy texts or reciting
psalms -- and intermittently conversed with the lawyers. It would be an 
hour
until the court would open and another until their own hearing would begin.

Everyone was anxious for the hearing to start -- not because of the 
upcoming
secular New Year, which the ultra-Orthodox do not celebrate -- but so that
they could return to their homes and to their lives in Brooklyn.

The seven men had been arrested and jailed on Dec. 19, a Wednesday, and 
most
were released before Shabbat.

Weisz and Zeligman had spent another Shabbat in Los Angeles, detained until
the arraignment. The Spinka Rebbe attended Rabbi Chaim Boruch Rubin's
synagogue in Hancock Park -- which itself is entangled in a legal battle
over land use -- and was given the honor of leading services. At this, a 
few
men walked out in protest.

"As a parent in the community and as a rabbi in the community, since there
were children in the room and since we have an obligation to teach our
children right and wrong," one person who left quietly said later. "I have
no problem [with the Spinka Rebbe] sitting in the front in his normal
[honored] seat," but the man who walked out said he would have preferred
"one stage less than normal" to show children "that it's not business as
usual."

When the court opened for the hearing, most of the defendants and their
supporters filed into the first row of the courtroom, except for the
clean-shaven Friedman, who sat in the back, a few seats away from Zeivald,
who was accompanied by an Israeli translator.

A Yiddish translator sat next to the Spinka Rebbe, and only Roth, the
Israeli banker, came from the entrance behind a glass partition, clad in
green prison outfit. He was the only one not yet released on bail, at the
time, because the government said he was believed to pose a flight risk.
Roth remains in custody.

Finally, their turn arrived. The seven filed up front, each with his
separate lawyers. (Famed lawyer Donald Etra, who was originally retained to
defend Weisz, was by then no longer on the case). They each declined to 
have
the charges read to them.

"How do you plead?" Magistrate Judge Alicia G. Rosenberg asked.

One by one, Weisz, Zigelman, Naiman, Zievald, Friedman, Lazar and Roth each
said: "Not guilty."

By 11 a.m., they filed out of the courtroom.

By Shabbat, Jan. 4, the Grand Spinka Rebbe was back in Boro Park to lead 
his
congregation. He's free on $2 million bail, allowed to travel for work in
New York and New Jersey, and of course, to California, where he and
Zigelman, among others, await trial.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinka_financial_controversy

This is similar to the TAX FRAUD involving Ken McVay & B'nai Brith!!


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case -
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
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    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
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Frank Arthur=alias Grosvenor=Gay Ken McVay the fraud 
who changes names every 3 minutes.

Yep, I am Frank Arthur = also using  alias Grosvomit  = 
often alias Gay Ken McVay.

I am  the filthy  fraud  who changes names every 3 minutes,
because I am truly certifiably insane.
I am so insane I claim that all my critics are a grosvenor!

Frank Arthur  [that is me]  sometimes I post using  Bellsouth Internet
Group,
except when I post using remailers, anonymously,  to  confuse people.

I am the fraud Grosvomit [again me] and I often use anonymous
remailers.
As Grosvomit, or Frank Arthur, or Ken McVay   I often post to
alt.homosexual -
just to satisfy my need!

The genuine Grosvenor has not posted for years, so I stole his name to
annoy him, and also readers!

Many people believe that I am really  gay Ken McVay the disgusting 
pervert fag from Nanaimo Canada doing all the posting, now that my
ZYD  benefactors  stopped financing all the BS and my one person 
web business.


On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:32:43 GMT, Venceremos2
 wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:28:25 -0400, "Frank Arthur" 
wrote:

Frank Arthur, alias Grosvomit,[me]  is just another common thief. 
Some are pickpockets.
Some steal cars. Some steal groceries. 
This human turd steals names.

Here are some of my names -
Arthur Franks,Ernst Zundholz,Yitzak Goldstein,KenOyVeigh,
Frank Arthur,Ariadne,Boris,Bruno,DesiCohen,Flavia13,
Firestone@hemisphere,GeorgesFirestein,HansMueller,
GayMcvay,PanPiotr,RiainBartoski,VictorArcurius,
KenMcvaySOBC Ad infinitum.

All from Frank Arthur alias Edmond Grosvomit the fraud
There is no real person named Grosvomit, just me.

On Wed, 02 May 2007 17:02:32 GMT, KenOyVeigh
 wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:10:00 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  wrote:

>Edmond Grosvomit still reeks of fraudulent names-Arthur Franks today?
>Then a continuous list of faked names again.
>Trust that idiot?

>From all the postings from Frank Arthur, with all the aliases, it seems that
>you must be the Grosvomit, nicht wahr?

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:45:29 -0400, "Frank Arthur" 
wrote:

The poster using Frank Arthur is a fraud.[me]

I am the legitimate Frank Arthur and I did not post to this newsgroup.

I am  either insane, or just another ZYD liar, since I have constantly
been posting to this, and other newsgroups!!

The pervert who used my name is a person of no honor.
He is known as Grosvomit from Canada

There have never been any postings by anyone named Grosvomit, 
just piles of articles by me, Frank Arthur.

The way to know if I am the legitimate Frank Arthur it will show on
the gray 
tab:

Organization: BellSouth Internet Group

There are no gray tabs on newsgroup articles, which proves I am a
lunatic


For the real TRUTH about ZYDS, crooks like me, visit the world
top-rated 
website for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn 
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.



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Frank Arthur=alias Grosvenor=Gay Ken McVay the fraud 
who changes names every 3 minutes.

Yep, I am Frank Arthur = also using  alias Grosvomit  = 
often alias Gay Ken McVay.

I am  the filthy  fraud  who changes names every 3 minutes,
because I am truly certifiably insane.
I am so insane I claim that all my critics are a grosvenor!

Frank Arthur  [that is me]  sometimes I post using  Bellsouth Internet
Group,
except when I post using remailers, anonymously,  to  confuse people.

I am the fraud Grosvomit [again me] and I often use anonymous
remailers.
As Grosvomit, or Frank Arthur, or Ken McVay   I often post to
alt.homosexual -
just to satisfy my need!

The genuine Grosvenor has not posted for years, so I stole his name to
annoy him, and also readers!

Many people believe that I am really  gay Ken McVay the disgusting 
pervert fag from Nanaimo Canada doing all the posting, now that my
ZYD  benefactors  stopped financing all the BS and my one person 
web business.


On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:32:43 GMT, Venceremos2
 wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:28:25 -0400, "Frank Arthur" 
wrote:

Frank Arthur, alias Grosvomit,[me]  is just another common thief. 
Some are pickpockets.
Some steal cars. Some steal groceries. 
This human turd steals names.

Here are some of my names -
Arthur Franks,Ernst Zundholz,Yitzak Goldstein,KenOyVeigh,
Frank Arthur,Ariadne,Boris,Bruno,DesiCohen,Flavia13,
Firestone@hemisphere,GeorgesFirestein,HansMueller,
GayMcvay,PanPiotr,RiainBartoski,VictorArcurius,
KenMcvaySOBC Ad infinitum.

All from Frank Arthur alias Edmond Grosvomit the fraud
There is no real person named Grosvomit, just me.

On Wed, 02 May 2007 17:02:32 GMT, KenOyVeigh
 wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:10:00 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  wrote:

>Edmond Grosvomit still reeks of fraudulent names-Arthur Franks today?
>Then a continuous list of faked names again.
>Trust that idiot?

>From all the postings from Frank Arthur, with all the aliases, it seems that
>you must be the Grosvomit, nicht wahr?

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:45:29 -0400, "Frank Arthur" 
wrote:

The poster using Frank Arthur is a fraud.[me]

I am the legitimate Frank Arthur and I did not post to this newsgroup.

I am  either insane, or just another ZYD liar, since I have constantly
been posting to this, and other newsgroups!!

The pervert who used my name is a person of no honor.
He is known as Grosvomit from Canada

There have never been any postings by anyone named Grosvomit, 
just piles of articles by me, Frank Arthur.

The way to know if I am the legitimate Frank Arthur it will show on
the gray 
tab:

Organization: BellSouth Internet Group

There are no gray tabs on newsgroup articles, which proves I am a
lunatic


For the real TRUTH about ZYDS, crooks like me, visit the world
top-rated 
website for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn 
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.


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Frank Arthur=alias Grosvenor=Gay Ken McVay the fraud 
who changes names every 3 minutes.

Yep, I am Frank Arthur = also using  alias Grosvomit  = 
often alias Gay Ken McVay.

I am  the filthy  fraud  who changes names every 3 minutes,
because I am truly certifiably insane.
I am so insane I claim that all my critics are a grosvenor!

Frank Arthur  [that is me]  sometimes I post using  Bellsouth Internet
Group,
except when I post using remailers, anonymously,  to  confuse people.

I am the fraud Grosvomit [again me] and I often use anonymous
remailers.
As Grosvomit, or Frank Arthur, or Ken McVay   I often post to
alt.homosexual -
just to satisfy my need!

The genuine Grosvenor has not posted for years, so I stole his name to
annoy him, and also readers!

Many people believe that I am really  gay Ken McVay the disgusting 
pervert fag from Nanaimo Canada doing all the posting, now that my
ZYD  benefactors  stopped financing all the BS and my one person 
web business.


On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:32:43 GMT, Venceremos2
 wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:28:25 -0400, "Frank Arthur" 
wrote:

Frank Arthur, alias Grosvomit,[me]  is just another common thief. 
Some are pickpockets.
Some steal cars. Some steal groceries. 
This human turd steals names.

Here are some of my names -
Arthur Franks,Ernst Zundholz,Yitzak Goldstein,KenOyVeigh,
Frank Arthur,Ariadne,Boris,Bruno,DesiCohen,Flavia13,
Firestone@hemisphere,GeorgesFirestein,HansMueller,
GayMcvay,PanPiotr,RiainBartoski,VictorArcurius,
KenMcvaySOBC Ad infinitum.

All from Frank Arthur alias Edmond Grosvomit the fraud
There is no real person named Grosvomit, just me.

On Wed, 02 May 2007 17:02:32 GMT, KenOyVeigh
 wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:10:00 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  wrote:

>Edmond Grosvomit still reeks of fraudulent names-Arthur Franks today?
>Then a continuous list of faked names again.
>Trust that idiot?

>From all the postings from Frank Arthur, with all the aliases, it seems that
>you must be the Grosvomit, nicht wahr?

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:45:29 -0400, "Frank Arthur" 
wrote:

The poster using Frank Arthur is a fraud.[me]

I am the legitimate Frank Arthur and I did not post to this newsgroup.

I am  either insane, or just another ZYD liar, since I have constantly
been posting to this, and other newsgroups!!

The pervert who used my name is a person of no honor.
He is known as Grosvomit from Canada

There have never been any postings by anyone named Grosvomit, 
just piles of articles by me, Frank Arthur.

The way to know if I am the legitimate Frank Arthur it will show on
the gray 
tab:

Organization: BellSouth Internet Group

There are no gray tabs on newsgroup articles, which proves I am a
lunatic


For the real TRUTH about ZYDS, crooks like me, visit the world
top-rated 
website for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn 
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.


From Art@Arthurian.com Sat Jan 31 12:15:02 EST 2009
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From: "Frank Arthur[ZYD]" 
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Subject: Questions Convict Felon Steven "Caduceus" Horn runs from.
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From: "Steven Craig Horn Is a Convicted Felon@OKC.OK"

Subject: Questions Steven "Caduceus" Horn runs from. Watch him run and
hide and watch him forge me.
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:27:59 -0600
Organization: Exposer of Steven "Caduceus" Horn's Psychopathy and
Crimes

On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:08:59 -0600,
, Caduceus
 wrote:

>On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:46:57 +0100, "DVH"  wrote:

>>"Anonymous Remailer"  wrote in 
>>message 
>>news:36e69ec31c10e910f5307a7bbbfc28b7@gpftor3.privacyfoundation.de...
>>> http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=2133794&db=Oklahoma

>>> IN THE DISTRICT COURT IN AND FOR OKLAHOMA COUNTY, OKLAHOMA
>>> STATE OF OKLAHOMA,
>>>          Plaintiff,
>>> v.
>>> STEVEN CRAIG HORN,

>>Hey. That's 40 Guns Horn to you, cunt. 

Yep--- 40 guns in the hands of a mentally disturbed cretin who was
found guilty of making telephone calls and sending e-mails threatening
people by saying: "Remember I’m GOD. I decide who lives and who dies
and your two boys die... Remember I have a .45 automatic and can take
your b.....d sons out... shoot the judge and the pig cop that gave her
(his former girlfriend) a ticket... I am God, and I also still have
my Ruger P-90 and it has a bullet with your name on it...” 

>Remailers are lame.

What everyone really wants to know about your jail time:

1) What meds did Dr. Randhawa Psychiatrist prescribe for you?
2) What were you doing so the sheriff had to summon a shrink in the
first place?
3) How long was your temporary commitment?
4) Were you put in a padded cell?
5) Were you put in a strait jacket?
6) Why were you taken to Deaconess Hospital on June 23, 2008? Did a
fellow inmate work you over?
7) In your police mug shot why is your right eye larger that your left
eye? Did the Spencer Police use their night sticks on you?
8) Why do you have pictures of young girls on your computer?
9) Do you know it is a federal crime for people with mental disorders
to own and possess firearms?
10) Do you know it is a federal crime to lie on your BATF/FBI
background check when you purchase firearms
and not mention you have a record of mental illness?
11) Why are all of the forgeries you do in other people's identities
homo-erotic? Aren't you
expressing your own desires and showing how much you miss your jail
humps?

http://fourthreichisrael.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/booking.jpg  What
were you thinking when the police officer took this photo?

Here are the public records Steven:

http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=2133794&db=Oklahoma

IN THE DISTRICT COURT IN AND FOR OKLAHOMA COUNTY, OKLAHOMA
STATE OF OKLAHOMA,
          Plaintiff,
v.
STEVEN CRAIG HORN,
          Defendant.  No. CF-2007-864
(Criminal Felony)

04-03-2008  O  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  53764428  Apr 8 2008
12:04:23:753PM  
 OK CO SHERIFF WHETSEL IS ORDERED TO DIRECT THE MEDICAL STAFF OF OK CO
JAIL TO DISPENSE PRESCRIPTIONS
>FROM DR. RANDHAWA TO DEFT/JUDGE ELLIOTT 
Document Available at Court Clerk's Office 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
04-09-2008  TCSR  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  53822768  Apr 14 2008
1:24:00:433PM  
 TEMPORARY COMMITMENT W/SHERIFF'S RETURN 
Document Available at Court Clerk's Office
MICROFILM: REEL 1144 FRAMENUMBER 571 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

06-23-2008  APLI  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  54505370  Jun 26 2008
4:02:11:920PM 
 APPLICATION TO DELIVER THE DEFT TO DEACONESS HOSPITAL & RETURN  

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Your booking photo:
http://fourthreichisrael.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/booking.jpg

http://www.mwcsun.com/local/local_story_050094629.html
Published: February 19, 2007 09:46 am
 40-gun cache
 Man arrested for alleged threats against woman’s children
By Eric Bradshaw, staff writer
The Sunday Sun

An Oklahoma City man accused of threatening to shoot a woman’s
children was arrested Thursday just after midnight at his home.

Spencer Police filed charges Tuesday against Steven Craig Horn, 46,
for allegedly making death threats against an area woman and her
children by e-mail and for making a harassing phone call.

Horn was charged with two counts of using a computer to put another
person in fear of harm or death and one count of making harassing
phone calls.

According to court records, Horn allegedly wrote in one e-mail, “What
you did between (a woman Horn claims is a former girlfriend) and I
means that you can kiss your two sons good-bye. Remember I’m GOD. I
decide who lives and who dies and your two boys die.”

In another, he is alleged to have written, “Remember I have a .45
automatic and can take your b.....d sons out.”

Spencer Det. Olan Boydston said he received information from Oklahoma
City Police that Horn called them on July 7 threatening to kill
himself and requesting to be put in protective custody. He had been
self-medicating with Valium and alcohol, Boydston reported.

Boydston’s report said Oklahoma City Police confiscated 21 firearms
>from Horn at the time, but later returned them. They had been
investigating a threatening call Horn allegedly made to Garland, Texas
Police. Horn allegedly threatened to “shoot the judge and the pig cop
that gave her (his former girlfriend) a ticket.”

Boydston received an anonymous call traced to Horn’s phone after he
interviewed the man, the police report said. “I am God, and I also
still have my Ruger P-90 and it has a bullet with your name on it,”
Horn reportedly told him.

A cache of 40 firearms was confiscated from Horn’s home along with a
computer with images of young girls.

Horn’s father said his son was mentally unstable and a potential
danger to himself and others.

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website 
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn 
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.

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From: "Frank Arthur[ZYD]" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,ok.general,alt.revisionism
Subject: Obvious Questions Criminal Felon Steven "Caduceus" Horn runs from.
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From: 
Subject: Questions Steven "Caduceus" Horn runs from. Watch him run and
hide and watch him forge me.
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:27:59 -0600
Organization: Exposer of Steven "Caduceus" Horn's Psychopathy and
Crimes

On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:08:59 -0600,
, Caduceus
 wrote:

>On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:46:57 +0100, "DVH"  wrote:

>>"Anonymous Remailer"  wrote in 
>>message 
>>news:36e69ec31c10e910f5307a7bbbfc28b7@gpftor3.privacyfoundation.de...
>>> http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=2133794&db=Oklahoma

>>> IN THE DISTRICT COURT IN AND FOR OKLAHOMA COUNTY, OKLAHOMA
>>> STATE OF OKLAHOMA,
>>>          Plaintiff,
>>> v.
>>> STEVEN CRAIG HORN,

>>Hey. That's 40 Guns Horn to you, cunt. 

Yep--- 40 guns in the hands of a mentally disturbed cretin who was
found guilty of making telephone calls and sending e-mails threatening
people by saying: "Remember I’m GOD. I decide who lives and who dies
and your two boys die... Remember I have a .45 automatic and can take
your b.....d sons out... shoot the judge and the pig cop that gave her
(his former girlfriend) a ticket... I am God, and I also still have
my Ruger P-90 and it has a bullet with your name on it...” 

>Remailers are lame.

What everyone really wants to know about your jail time:

1) What meds did Dr. Randhawa Psychiatrist prescribe for you?
2) What were you doing so the sheriff had to summon a shrink in the
first place?
3) How long was your temporary commitment?
4) Were you put in a padded cell?
5) Were you put in a strait jacket?
6) Why were you taken to Deaconess Hospital on June 23, 2008? Did a
fellow inmate work you over?
7) In your police mug shot why is your right eye larger that your left
eye? Did the Spencer Police use their night sticks on you?
8) Why do you have pictures of young girls on your computer?
9) Do you know it is a federal crime for people with mental disorders
to own and possess firearms?
10) Do you know it is a federal crime to lie on your BATF/FBI
background check when you purchase firearms
and not mention you have a record of mental illness?
11) Why are all of the forgeries you do in other people's identities
homo-erotic? Aren't you
expressing your own desires and showing how much you miss your jail
humps?

http://fourthreichisrael.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/booking.jpg  What
were you thinking when the police officer took this photo?

Here are the public records Steven:

http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=2133794&db=Oklahoma

IN THE DISTRICT COURT IN AND FOR OKLAHOMA COUNTY, OKLAHOMA
STATE OF OKLAHOMA,
          Plaintiff,
v.
STEVEN CRAIG HORN,
          Defendant.  No. CF-2007-864
(Criminal Felony)

04-03-2008  O  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  53764428  Apr 8 2008
12:04:23:753PM  
 OK CO SHERIFF WHETSEL IS ORDERED TO DIRECT THE MEDICAL STAFF OF OK CO
JAIL TO DISPENSE PRESCRIPTIONS
>FROM DR. RANDHAWA TO DEFT/JUDGE ELLIOTT 
Document Available at Court Clerk's Office 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
04-09-2008  TCSR  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  53822768  Apr 14 2008
1:24:00:433PM  
 TEMPORARY COMMITMENT W/SHERIFF'S RETURN 
Document Available at Court Clerk's Office
MICROFILM: REEL 1144 FRAMENUMBER 571 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

06-23-2008  APLI  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  54505370  Jun 26 2008
4:02:11:920PM 
 APPLICATION TO DELIVER THE DEFT TO DEACONESS HOSPITAL & RETURN  

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Your booking photo:
http://fourthreichisrael.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/booking.jpg

http://www.mwcsun.com/local/local_story_050094629.html
Published: February 19, 2007 09:46 am
 40-gun cache
 Man arrested for alleged threats against woman’s children
By Eric Bradshaw, staff writer
The Sunday Sun

An Oklahoma City man accused of threatening to shoot a woman’s
children was arrested Thursday just after midnight at his home.

Spencer Police filed charges Tuesday against Steven Craig Horn, 46,
for allegedly making death threats against an area woman and her
children by e-mail and for making a harassing phone call.

Horn was charged with two counts of using a computer to put another
person in fear of harm or death and one count of making harassing
phone calls.

According to court records, Horn allegedly wrote in one e-mail, “What
you did between (a woman Horn claims is a former girlfriend) and I
means that you can kiss your two sons good-bye. Remember I’m GOD. I
decide who lives and who dies and your two boys die.”

In another, he is alleged to have written, “Remember I have a .45
automatic and can take your b.....d sons out.”

Spencer Det. Olan Boydston said he received information from Oklahoma
City Police that Horn called them on July 7 threatening to kill
himself and requesting to be put in protective custody. He had been
self-medicating with Valium and alcohol, Boydston reported.

Boydston’s report said Oklahoma City Police confiscated 21 firearms
>from Horn at the time, but later returned them. They had been
investigating a threatening call Horn allegedly made to Garland, Texas
Police. Horn allegedly threatened to “shoot the judge and the pig cop
that gave her (his former girlfriend) a ticket.”

Boydston received an anonymous call traced to Horn’s phone after he
interviewed the man, the police report said. “I am God, and I also
still have my Ruger P-90 and it has a bullet with your name on it,”
Horn reportedly told him.

A cache of 40 firearms was confiscated from Horn’s home along with a
computer with images of young girls.

Horn’s father said his son was mentally unstable and a potential
danger to himself and others.

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website 
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn 
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.


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From: "Steven Craig Horn Is a Convicted Felon@OKC.OK"

Subject: Questions Steven "Caduceus" Horn runs from. Watch him run and
hide and watch him forge me.
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:27:59 -0600
Organization: Exposer of Steven "Caduceus" Horn's Psychopathy and
Crimes

On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:08:59 -0600,
, Caduceus
 wrote:

>On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:46:57 +0100, "DVH"  wrote:

>>"Anonymous Remailer"  wrote in 
>>message 
>>news:36e69ec31c10e910f5307a7bbbfc28b7@gpftor3.privacyfoundation.de...
>>> http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=2133794&db=Oklahoma

>>> IN THE DISTRICT COURT IN AND FOR OKLAHOMA COUNTY, OKLAHOMA
>>> STATE OF OKLAHOMA,
>>>          Plaintiff,
>>> v.
>>> STEVEN CRAIG HORN,

>>Hey. That's 40 Guns Horn to you, cunt. 

Yep--- 40 guns in the hands of a mentally disturbed cretin who was
found guilty of making telephone calls and sending e-mails threatening
people by saying: "Remember I’m GOD. I decide who lives and who dies
and your two boys die... Remember I have a .45 automatic and can take
your b.....d sons out... shoot the judge and the pig cop that gave her
(his former girlfriend) a ticket... I am God, and I also still have
my Ruger P-90 and it has a bullet with your name on it...” 

>Remailers are lame.

What everyone really wants to know about your jail time:

1) What meds did Dr. Randhawa Psychiatrist prescribe for you?
2) What were you doing so the sheriff had to summon a shrink in the
first place?
3) How long was your temporary commitment?
4) Were you put in a padded cell?
5) Were you put in a strait jacket?
6) Why were you taken to Deaconess Hospital on June 23, 2008? Did a
fellow inmate work you over?
7) In your police mug shot why is your right eye larger that your left
eye? Did the Spencer Police use their night sticks on you?
8) Why do you have pictures of young girls on your computer?
9) Do you know it is a federal crime for people with mental disorders
to own and possess firearms?
10) Do you know it is a federal crime to lie on your BATF/FBI
background check when you purchase firearms
and not mention you have a record of mental illness?
11) Why are all of the forgeries you do in other people's identities
homo-erotic? Aren't you
expressing your own desires and showing how much you miss your jail
humps?

http://fourthreichisrael.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/booking.jpg  What
were you thinking when the police officer took this photo?

Here are the public records Steven:

http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=2133794&db=Oklahoma

IN THE DISTRICT COURT IN AND FOR OKLAHOMA COUNTY, OKLAHOMA
STATE OF OKLAHOMA,
          Plaintiff,
v.
STEVEN CRAIG HORN,
          Defendant.  No. CF-2007-864
(Criminal Felony)

04-03-2008  O  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  53764428  Apr 8 2008
12:04:23:753PM  
 OK CO SHERIFF WHETSEL IS ORDERED TO DIRECT THE MEDICAL STAFF OF OK CO
JAIL TO DISPENSE PRESCRIPTIONS
>FROM DR. RANDHAWA TO DEFT/JUDGE ELLIOTT 
Document Available at Court Clerk's Office 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
04-09-2008  TCSR  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  53822768  Apr 14 2008
1:24:00:433PM  
 TEMPORARY COMMITMENT W/SHERIFF'S RETURN 
Document Available at Court Clerk's Office
MICROFILM: REEL 1144 FRAMENUMBER 571 
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http://www.mwcsun.com/local/local_story_050094629.html
Published: February 19, 2007 09:46 am
 40-gun cache
 Man arrested for alleged threats against woman’s children
By Eric Bradshaw, staff writer
The Sunday Sun

An Oklahoma City man accused of threatening to shoot a woman’s
children was arrested Thursday just after midnight at his home.

Spencer Police filed charges Tuesday against Steven Craig Horn, 46,
for allegedly making death threats against an area woman and her
children by e-mail and for making a harassing phone call.

Horn was charged with two counts of using a computer to put another
person in fear of harm or death and one count of making harassing
phone calls.

According to court records, Horn allegedly wrote in one e-mail, “What
you did between (a woman Horn claims is a former girlfriend) and I
means that you can kiss your two sons good-bye. Remember I’m GOD. I
decide who lives and who dies and your two boys die.”

In another, he is alleged to have written, “Remember I have a .45
automatic and can take your b.....d sons out.”

Spencer Det. Olan Boydston said he received information from Oklahoma
City Police that Horn called them on July 7 threatening to kill
himself and requesting to be put in protective custody. He had been
self-medicating with Valium and alcohol, Boydston reported.

Boydston’s report said Oklahoma City Police confiscated 21 firearms
>from Horn at the time, but later returned them. They had been
investigating a threatening call Horn allegedly made to Garland, Texas
Police. Horn allegedly threatened to “shoot the judge and the pig cop
that gave her (his former girlfriend) a ticket.”

Boydston received an anonymous call traced to Horn’s phone after he
interviewed the man, the police report said. “I am God, and I also
still have my Ruger P-90 and it has a bullet with your name on it,”
Horn reportedly told him.

A cache of 40 firearms was confiscated from Horn’s home along with a
computer with images of young girls.

Horn’s father said his son was mentally unstable and a potential
danger to himself and others.

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Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn 
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.


From Art@Arthurian.com Sat Jan 31 12:15:04 EST 2009
Article: 1987874 of alt.revisionism
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Date: 30 Jan 2009 18:55:58 -0000
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From: Frank Arthur 
Subject: The Reason Canadian Kenneth McVay is distancing himself from the San Antonio Area Foundation -
CC: mail2news@bananasplit.info
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        Nizkor Fund? (It's illegal for one thing!) REPOST2
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REPOST of Doc Tavish's documentation proving "The reason Canadian
Kenneth McVay is distancing himself from the San Antonio Area Foundation
- Nizkor Fund? (It's illegal for one thing!)"

Special Note May 14, 2007: The San Antonio Area Foundation has pulled all
links on their Annual Reports so as to not make available for public
scrutiny how they disperse funding and who receives it.
Nizkor is listed as a recipient in all of the Annual Reports archived.
I have some of the Annual Reports on file and I am still waiting for
Doc Tavish to furnish me a DVD of all of his "local archives."

JF

P.S. See related archive from google usenet:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.skeptic/msg/df5dccde3f0cf306
Nizkor Project Director Kenneth McVay is a Mamzer Totally Owned and
Controlled by Jews REPOST
Message-ID: 

On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 17:22:25 -0000, <12harahlsgf7n0b@corp.supernews.com>,
kmcvay@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:

>In article ,
>Roger   wrote:
>>In one age, called the Second Age by some,
>>   (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
>>      someone claiming to be Doc Tavish wrote
>>         in message <12o9h2t1ero1l8strgcsn2hhnain48mh02@4ax.com>:

>>>Can't deal in fact so you march out the same old perjured lawsuit
>>>which Yale lost and didn't have the guts to follow through on the
>>>appeal. You won't be such a wise guy when you start losing major
>>>funding Mr. McBray!!

>>And the fact is, that nothing in that lawsuit was perjury and that
>>it was dismissed on a technicality.

>>So why do you continue to lie about it?

I haven't lied but shite like you remain in denial.
Fabrication of evidence is perjury and issuing phoney subpoenas on ISPs
is a most criminal offense!

I.E.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/393e3320
dd44fda3?fwc=1
Subject: ...Forging Subpoenas and Fabrication of Evidence? Aren't
Those Criminal Acts?...   Message-ID: 

Date: 1 Oct 2005 05:06:24 GMT

Read the above and then make the claim Yale didn't perjure himself!

>Because he is a congenital liar.

You're the congenital liar Kenneth McVay and here is an archive which
proves such and it is an archive documenting many of your own words too!

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/f355fc7048d84254?fwc=1
Subject: $50,000+ Not Reported to CCRA by The Nizkor Project? Nizkor
Director Ken McVay is Lying About Funds He Has Apparently NOT Reported to 
CCRA!!
SAAF Reports are Further Proof! V5.0 U_0315
Message-ID: 
Date: 15 Mar 2006 21:47:42 GMT

Here is a brief excerpt of the above and some new additions (people you
know who also prove you to be a liar about receiving money from the
San Antonio Area Foundation):

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/19272a44fd2c3cec?fwc=1
From: kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Subject: STILL Waiting for Donnie..... (Or "Bradbury: Wrong Again")
Date: 5 Jan 2001 00:32:08 GMT
Organization: The Nizkor Project
Message-ID: <9334m8$1nm1$1@news.tht.net>
(Archived locally as: McVayEXHIBIT1)
   What Mr. Bradbury has failed to demonstrate is that The Nizkor Project,
which I direct, has any association whatsoever with the "San Antonio Area
Foundation - Nizkor Fund."
   That is because Mr. Bradbury is not very bright. The Nizkor Project
has no operations of any sort whatsoever within the United States.
Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any money
>from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund"


http://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/2000/San_Antonio_Area_
Foundation_donation
(Link active November 20, 2003. Archived locally as: SAAF_NizkorWEB)

"Blakely"  wrote in message
news:282e6175.3c2814b6@usw-ex0103-086.remarq.com...
> What did you do with the $50,000 given to you to start a Nizkor
> operation in San Antonio? Since you claim you don't have a San
> Antonio operation, is it safe to say that you simply embezzled
> the money?

No one ever gave me $50,000. That sum was donated to the San Antonio
Area Foundation... The San Antonio Area Foundation has never paid me -
or anyone else, to my knowledge... I have no connection in San Antonio,
and neither does Nizkor. Get used to it.


http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/7f4bbf6e9ebf08bb?fwc=1
From: kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Subject: BabbleTubby's Bullshit
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 05:35:30 +0000 (UTC)
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
Message-ID: <9l2g72$23od$1@news.tht.net>
(Archived locally as: McVayEXHIBIT3)
   The San Antonio Area Foundation maintains an endowment fund
for any organization they support. Ten per cent of all monies donated
go directly into an endowment fund, so that, eventually, the fund
will fuel itself.
   SAAF bylaws state that the first $10,000 donated must go into the
creation of an endowment fund maintained as a part of the trust.
That endowment fund, however, has absolutely nothing to do with the
Nizkor Project, nor has the Nizkor Project ever benefited from such a
fund.
   It's entertaining watching BlubberBabble try to make sense of it all,
and it's worth noting that he hasn't contacted any of the people at
SAAF for further information, as I suggested. That suggests that, as
always, he doesn't give a rat's ass for the truth. Duh.


http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/8db801fb548cdb26?fwc=1
Subject: Re: What did Kenny McVay do with money he claims he never got?
Reply-To: kmcvay@nizkor.org
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
Message-ID: 
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:57:49 GMT
(Archived locally McVay-12-30-2002DENIAL)
.The Nizkor Project has no operations of any sort whatsoever within the
United States. Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received
any money from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" ...The
San Antonio Area Foundation has never paid me - or anyone else, to my
knowledge... I have no connection in San Antonio, and neither does Nizkor.
Get used to it...
(This is kind of fun. You keep making an ass of yourself, and I'll keep
laughing at you.)


End of Kenneth McVay's (Director of The Nizkor Project) own documented
words denying he has ever received any money or benefit from the San
Antonio Area Foundation OR "The San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund."

NOW here is Ken McVay (as well as other sources) again but notice all
of the contradictions to all Ken McVay claimed above!


http://www.ghwk.de/engl/linksengl1.htm
(Archived locally as: linksengl)
House of the Wannsee Conference
Memorial and Educational Site
-------------------------------
Related Links

[...]

USA

[...]

 The Mazal Library - A Holocaust Resource
c/o The San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
600 Sandau, San Antonio, Tx 78216




http://www.google.com/search?as_q=Nizkor+&num=20&hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-
1&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=San+Antonio+Area+Foundation&as_oq=
&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=
i&as_sitesearch=&safe=images
Searched the web for Nizkor "San Antonio Area Foundation".
Results 1 - 12 of about 35 (Search done November 22, 2003 5:51AM CST.
Return page archived locally as: GOOGLEsaaf2Nizkor)

Sample returns:

http://www.fpp.co.uk/HNet/Mott231000.html
Real History and the Jewish Holocaust controversy
. His above website is registered by the "San Antonio Area Foundation -
Nizkor Fund" c/o BASIC of 600 Sandau Suite 400, San Antonio, TX 78216,
in Texas, USA.

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/m/mcvay-ken/put-up-shut-up.html
Put up or shut up, Mr. Giwer
. scientific standards, Mr. Giwer will agree to the immediate release
of the trust funds to the San Antonio Area Foundation Nizkor Fund as a
tax-exempt donation. ...  <>

linksengl1 http://www.ghwk.de/engl/linksengl1.htm
. The Mazal Library - A Holocaust Resource c/o The San Antonio
Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund 600 Sandau, San Antonio, Tx 78216

[PDF] Financials 2000 3-01 http://www.saafdn.org/pdf/Fin2000.pdf
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:sAnpRlOX1HAJ:
www.saafdn.org/pdf/Fin2000.pdf+Nizkor++%22San+Antonio+Area+Foundation%22&h
l=en&ie=UTF-8
. 3 Fund Types The San Antonio Area Foundation is dedicated to
improving the quality of ... Katz Memorial Trust Beta and Melvin
Leazar Memorial Fund Nizkor Fund Mary ...

[PDF] 2002 Annual Report http://www.saafdn.org/pdf/AnnRpt2002.pdf
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:MHtPsNgO884J:www.saafdn.org/pdf/
AnnRpt2002.pdf+Nizkor++%22San+Antonio+Area+Foundation%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
. Lemuel G. Hodgkins Trust Dan and Gloria Oppenheimer Fund San
Antonio Area Foundation Community Fund ... Fund Beta and Melvin
Leazar Memorial Fund Nizkor(USA) Fund ...

=============
New additions for September 28, 2005:
[PDF] 2003 Annual ReportFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
http://www.saafdn.org/docs/annual_report/AnnRpt2003.pdf
(Archived locally as: AnnRpt2003)
San Antonio Area Foundation Strategic Initiative Fund. George Weldon
Sheffield Fund ... Nizkor (USA) Fund to Combat Racism & Anti-Semitism
in Mass Media ...

Here is the San Antonio Area Foundation web site showing again in
2004 that Nizkor received funding:

http://sitelevel.whatuseek.com/query.go?crid=56a9e3b448c11dd2&query=
Nizkor&slice_title=&page=1&fo=1
(Archived locally as: SAAF_NizkorFund_2004)
http://sl.wus0.com/quclk.go?rd=http://www.saafdn.org/docs/annual_report/
annualReport_current.pdf&res=1&crid=56a9e3b448c11dd2&pos=1&mr=10&qu=Nizkor
Results from This Site: 1 - 1 of 1 total results for Nizkor

untitled
. M. and Felix J. Katz Memorial Trust Ruth Lang Charitable Fund Beta
and Melvin Leazar Memorial Fund Nizkor (USA) Fund to Combat Racism &
Anti-Semitism in Mass Media James and Alberta Otterpohl Fund ...
http://www.saafdn.org/docs/annual_report/annualReport_current.pdf
- 384k - 2004-09-10
(Archived locally as: annualReport_current.pdf)
I have reports on file for years 2000, 2002, 2003, and 2004 proving
San Antonio Area Foundation doled out money to the Nizkor Fund which
Ken McVay was the recipient!!
Anyone wanting the pdf files need only download them or if they get
pulled I can post them to alt.binaries. SPECIAL NOTE (September 24,2006)
I now have the 2005 report and it too shows Nizkor receiving funding!!!



Here is Ken McVay's very own Nizkor web site showing Ken McVay was a
recipient of San Antonio Area Foundation funding back in 1996!

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/press/express-news.960803
(Link November 20, 2003 and no disclaimers are made!! Archived locally as:
11-20-2003SAAF2NIZKOR)

Shofar FTP Archive File: people/m/mcvay.ken/press/express-news.960803

San Antonio Express-News
August 3, 1996
Page 10B

"Internet project won't let Holocaust be forgotten"
By Thomas Edwards
Express-News Staff Writer

"Nizkor" in Hebrew means "we will remember," but it is also a
solemn promise Holocaust researcher Kenneth McVay has taken to
the Internet so that people will never forget the atrocities of
Nazi Germany.

Now his task has gotten a little easier with a $50,000 grant from
the philanthropic San Antonio Area Foundation to the Nizkor
Project, an international computer web site directed by the 55-
year-old McVay from his home in Vancouver Island, Canada...

The Nizkor Project is not only a tool to fight bigotry, it has
also "make an impact in terms of Holocaust education," McVay said.

Some of the new material he will add to the web site -- which
will have sound and movement -- includes speeches by Nazi
statesmen advocating genocide, 68 volumes of military
documentation from the Nuremburg war crimes tribunals and
material from the National Archives in Washington.

Some of the new material is being donated by San Antonio resident
Harry Mazal, who is the director of the Nizkor Project in the
United States.  Mazal also has one of the world's largest private
collections of Holocaust material...  

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/e6e8f845002483a1
(Archived locally as: SAAF_1)
From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support
Date: 1996/09/05
Message-ID: <50n608$9ds@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
x-network: http://www.nizkor.org/
organization: The Nizkor Project
x-search: http://search.nizkor.org/search.html

In article <5SEP199606431...@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu>,
dmittle...@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Danny Mittleman) wrote:

>>McVay, Kenneth (KM1343)                kmc...@NIZKOR.ALMANAC.BC.CA
>>   462 - 1150 North Terminal Avenue
>>   Nanaimo, BC V9S 5T8
>>   CA      1-604-382-0615

> As Giwer has been so kind to repeatedly post this address, I would like
> to point out that while this is not the best address to use, you can
> send contributions to the Nizkor Project to this address.  They will be
> properly received and placed to good use.  You will receive a Canadian
> Tax receipt for your donation (which will work just fine in Canada no
> matter what Matt Giwer insists).  If you wish to make an American
> contribution for an American tax receipt, there is a different address
> (which maybe Giwer will decide to post one day.)

In the United States, checks should be made payable to:

	"SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"

and should be mailed to:

	San Antonio Area Foundation
	Nizkor Fund
	P.O. Box 120366
	San Antonio, TX 78212-9566

We thank Dr. Mittleman for pointing this out, and thank all of
you who have sent your donations in support of the Nizkor
Project.

The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial
improvements in service.

--
The Nizkor Project     | http://www.nizkor.org/



But I thought Ken McVay claimed: "What Mr. Bradbury has failed to
demonstrate is that The Nizkor Project, which I direct, has any
association whatsoever with the "San Antonio Area Foundation -
Nizkor Fund."
That is because Mr. Bradbury is not very bright.
The Nizkor Project has no operations of any sort whatsoever
within the United States.
Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any
money from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund"_

Look at who isn't very bright!!!
Ken McVay is a liar plain and simple.

http://groups.google.com/group/quebec.general/msg/46868da0ffff43e5
(Archived locally as: SAAF_2)
From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
Subject: Re: McVay's Addresses & Phone Numbers again
Date: 1996/09/15
Message-ID: <51hqme$btg@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
organization: The Nizkor Project

. The correct information for donations is as
   follows:

In the United States, checks should be made payable to:

        "SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"

and should be mailed to:

	San Antonio Area Foundation
	Nizkor Fund
	P.O. Box 120366
	San Antonio, TX 78212-9566

Tel:  (210) 225-2243
Fax:  (210) 225-1980

<>



More of Ken McBray contradicting himself and proving what a bold
faced liar he truly is:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/7ed1cee6db046212
(Archived locally as: SAAF_3)
From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
Subject: American funding for the Nizkor Project
Date: 1996/06/15
Message-ID: <4pvl6g$ctm@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
X-Deja-AN: 160389285
references: <4or264$1ar6@useneta1.news.prodigy.com>
<31c2fa3a.16855786@news.annap.infi.net> <4pv7ht$7o7@dfw-
ixnews9.ix.netcom.com>
<4pvcb1$d53@boris.eden.com>
organization: The Nizkor Project

In article <4pvcb1$...@boris.eden.com>, mcur...@eden.com (Mike Curtis) 
wrote:

>mgi...@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) wrote:

     "Supposedly a synagogue is collected tax free
     contributions for Nizkor even though Nizkor does not
     have tax exempt status. "

>This is the Troll who has to put his stamp on every thread no matter
>what.

But he's our troll :-)

Let him explain this one:

In the United States, checks in support of the work of The
Nizkor Project should be made payable to:

SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund

and should be mailed to:

	San Antonio Area Foundation
	Nizkor Fund
	P.O. Box 120366
	San Antonio, TX 78212-9566

[...]



But Ken are you trying to tell us that after all of your begging for
funds to The Nizkor Project via the San Antonio Area Foundation -
Nizkor Fund that you never received any money as you are on record
as claiming-- "The Nizkor Project has no operations of any sort
whatsoever within the United States.
Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any money
>from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund"

This one is a real eye opener!!!

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/225d5191538edc6d?fwc=1
(Archived locally as: FinstenNizkorSAAF)
From: Laura Finsten 
Subject: Re: Yet another Nazional Appliance Illiteracy Alert!
Date: 1997/06/08
Message-ID: 
References: <3395F003.DBD@dreamon.com>

<339a9138.97310907@news.pnet.net>

On Sat, 7 Jun 1997, Michael wrote:

[...]

> All your b s aside above (as though Bnai Brith only took checks and
> gave them to Nizkor; all innocent and stuff. Ask any professional who
> deals with not-for-profits about the ease of shuffling funds.)

I have no idea how common such "shuffling [of] funds" may be.
But the key issue here is whether you have any evidence at all to
support your much repeatedly but utterly empty claim that this is
the case with the arrangement between Nizkor and B'nai Brith?
I don't see any of you trying to smear the San Antonio Area Foundation
which, ironically, has probably provided more funding for the project
since it has a far larger pool of donors to draw upon....

	           ~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~

I ask everyone-- Who is the liar? Ken McVay or Laura Finsten?

More people proving Ken McVay receives funding from SAAF and some
are The Holocaust History Project members as well as THHP founder
and director  Harry W. Mazal himself!

Here is The Holocaust History Project member Richard Graves:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/e7ef783aa4a87d80
(Archived locally as: RichGraves_SAAF-NizkorFund)
From: rcgraves@disposable.com (Rich Graves)
Subject: Re: Nizkor: Who the Hell are these guys?
Date: 1997/01/08
Message-ID: <5b1345$1u3@Networking.Stanford.EDU>#1/1
organization: Fans of Nizkor, http://www.nizkor.org/objectives.html

Here is how to donate to the Nizkor Project:

   In the United States, donations for the project's efforts should be
   made payable to:

        San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund

   and should be mailed to:

        San Antonio Area Foundation
        Nizkor Fund
        P.O. Box 120366
        San Antonio, TX 78212-9566

   American donors may deduct contributions as provided in section 170 of
   the Internal Revenue Code. Bequests, legacies, devises, transfers, or
   gifts are deductible for federal, estate, and gift tax purposes if
   they meet the applicable provisions of Code sections 2055, 2106 and
   2522.

(Tavish comment: Deducting contributions funneled to Nizkor via the
San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund is ILLEGAL!!
Nizkor is NOT a non-profit organization NOR is it a charitable
organization (I prove such further down) and anyone who is filing
deductions will be getting a visit from the IRS sooner than
they think! In coming days Nizkor is going to lose its major
American funding when the IRS moves in!!!)

     We very much appreciate your donations, which assist in the
     development and enhancement of The Nizkor Project website. Thank
     You.


Here is Nizkor volunteer Annie Alpert:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/e7f3d611c82af26
(Archived locally as: AnnieAlpert_SAAF-NizkorFund)
From: Annie Alpert 
Subject: Yep was Re: Any answers yet?
Date: 1997/01/24
Message-ID: <32E94596.4BA6@ccnis.net>#1/1

Angus Scrimm wrote:

Who or what is Angus Scrimm?  In any case--I'll tell you what I know
about the matter:

>         7)      What is the evidence offered that Nizkor is
> authorized to solicittax free contributions?

Who said they were?  If you really want to make a tax-deductable
donation, though--never fear. The Nizkor Project is a designated
fund under the umbrella of the San Antonio Area Foundation, a
charitable organization that manage funds and combines investments
with other charitable organizations' for maximum investment impact.
Donations made to the Foundation in the name of The Nizkor Project
Fund will get to Nizkor if the San Antonio Foundation approves of
the way the money is to be spent. The San Antonio Foundation will
give tax receipts for donations to the San Antonio Foundation.

	San Antonio Area Foundation
        Nizkor Fund
        P.O. Box 120366
        San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
--
Nizkor (USA) - An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
Nizkor Web: http://www.nizkor.org/


Does not the above have all the appearances of being a
"money laundering operation"?

Here is Harry W. Mazal himself who is the caretaker of the SAAF
- Nizkor Fund in San Antonio, Texas:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/4e874cb48c170b87
(Archived locally as: Mazal_SAAF_DonationsForNizkor)
From: hmazal@txdirect.net (Harry W. Mazal OBE)
Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help
Date: 1996/11/21
Message-ID: <3293fbd6.26418507@news.txdirect.net>#1/1

Nizkor receives (very) modest donations from a number of  sources.
Some are Jewish, most are not.  If Mr. Giwer wishes to make a
donation to a non-synagogue based chapter of Nizkor, he may do
so through the San Antonio Area Foundation.
The address can be found on the Nizkor Web Page.   Thank you!

Harry W. Mazal OBE

Nizkor (USA)  An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
Over 1000 Megs of data: http://www.nizkor.org


Proof Harry W. Mazal is the caretaker of the San Antonio Area
Foundation - Nizkor Fund:

You are Here:WHOIS -> Search Results
Search Results

Registrant:
San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund c/o BASIC (MAZAL2-DOM)
600 Sandau Suite 400
San Antonio, TX 78216 US
Domain Name: MAZAL.ORG
Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Mazal, Harry (HM1296) hmazal@TXDIRECT.NET
The Mazal
Library 600 Sandau, Suite 400 San Antonio, TX 78216  US
210-377-2742
Record expires on 28-Jun-2006.
Record created on 27-Jun-1997.
Database last updated on 27-Jun-2002 22:55:14 EDT.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/cfa0944d81241a6d?fwc=1
From: ragland37@webtv.net (Michael Ragland)
Subject: Re: Some Holes, Some Holocaust (Danny Keren)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:19:26 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <14152-3D1BD5BE-337@storefull-2253.public.lawson.webtv.net>
References: <3D1BC57C.7000209@sympatico.ca>
(Archived locally as: WhoIsSAAFmazal)


Here is where the real criminal activity known as money laundering
and issuing illegal tax receipts comes in:

The San Antonio Area Foundation claims at its very own website the 
following:

http://www.saafdn.org/faq.shtml
(Archived locally as: SAAF - Frequently Asked Questions)
Q: Who does the Area Foundation award grants to? Will it help me
with my rent and utilities? Can your organization help me?
A: Unfortunately, we may not grants fund to individuals, only
qualified nonprofits, many of which are set up to assist people
who have difficulties meeting their obligations.

(Doc Tavish comment: The Nizkor Project is Ken McVay (an individual
who is the sole operator of Nizkor which also is NOT a "nonprofit"
thus he is NOT entitled to funding!!)

http://www.saafdn.org/about/about_history.shtml
(Archived locally as: SAAF_Area Foundation - History)
By 2004, the San Antonio Area Foundation had grown to over $110 million
in assets and $65 million in charitable distributions – a fitting tribute
to Nat and Mannie Goldsmith, whose philanthropic vision inspired the
Area Foundation – spurring growth and support for the arts, humanities,
education, health and environment throughout San Antonio, Bexar County
and the surrounding area.


					ALSO:

http://www.tcc.state.tx.us/cancerfunding/contact.html
(Archived Locally AS: SAAF Limited to San Antonio)
San Antonio Area Foundation
P.O. Box 120366
San Antonio, Texas 78212-9566
(210) 225-2243
Limitations: San Antonio area
Contact: Candes Chumney, Exec. Director


The San Antonio Area Foundation is limited to: "San Antonio,
Bexar County and the surrounding area"
YET The Nizkor Project is in Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada!!

Here is another real eye opener:

http://www.saafdn.org/about/about_glossary.shtml
(Archived locally as: SAAF Area Foundation - Glossary of Terms)
501(c)(3): Section of the Internal Revenue Code that designates an
organization as charitable and tax exempt. Organizations qualifying
under this section include religious, educational, charitable,
amateur athletic, scientific or literary groups, organizations
testing for public safety or organizations involved in prevention
of cruelty to children or animals.
Note: The tax code sets forth a list of sections — 501(c)(4-26) —
to identify other not-for-profit organizations whose function
is not solely charitable (e.g., professional or veterans organizations,
chambers of commerce, fraternal societies, etc.)
509(a): Section of the tax code that defines public charities
(as opposed to private foundations).
A 501(c)(3) organization also must have a 509(a)
designation to further define the agency as a public charity.


Proof The Nizkor Project is neither a charitable nor a non-profit
organization and is a website BUSINESS solely operated by Kenneth McVay:

From: Charity webmail 
Sender: "Langdon, Blaine" 
To: 
Subject: Registered charity question.
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:23:26 -0500
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19)
(On file and archived locally with all headers as: CCRAreply)

 Thank you for your e-mail.
The Charities Directorate of the Canada Customs and
Revenue Agency is responsible for the registration
and compliance of charities in Canada.
These organizations are similar to "exempt organizations"
as are registered in the United States.
However, we have no record of a registered charity
by the name of Nizkor.org...



http://www.ccra-adrc.gc.ca/tax/nonprofit/menu-e.html
(Link active November 21, 2003. Archived locally as CCRAnpo)
Non-profit organizations - Canadian Customs and Revenue Agency
A non-profit organization (NPO) is a club, society, or association
that's organized and operated solely for:
 social welfare
 civic improvement
 pleasure or recreation
 any other purpose except profit.


Ken McVay's NIZKOR.ORG does not fall under any of the above categories.

Here is Ken McVay, Director of The Nizkor Project, publicly stating:
"Nizkor is neither an NPO nor a Charity. Nizkor is a website."


http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/5c887e0f6e538d0
(Archived locally as: NizkorNOTcharity)
From: kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Subject: Re: ATTENTION NIZKOR: Income Tax Guide to the Non-Profit
Organization (NPO) Information Return Form T1044
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 01:52:00 +0000 (UTC)
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
Message-ID: <99oro0$259r$1@news.tht.net>
References: 
<3abfe742$0$195@news.impulse.net>

Poor Mr. Bradbury... if he had a brain, he would be dangerous.

Nizkor is neither an NPO nor a Charity. Nizkor is a website.

Paranoia is a terrible thing, particularly when coupled with Mr.
Bradbury's abysmal ignorance.

--
The Nizkor Project


Funny thing that all McVay can do is hurl insults when I show him
the goods I have on him!

Proof Nizkor is a website BUSINESS solely operated by Kenneth
McVay from a back room of his own personal residence:

http://www.geocities.com/dcjarviks/Idler/vIn15.html
(Link active November 21, 2003. Archived locally as: vIn15)
 "A Voyage to Nanaimo-- It takes two hours to cross the
Georgia Strait by ferry from Vancouver, British Columbia,
another half-hour by jitney from the Nanaimo terminal to
reach the home of Kenneth N. McVay, webmaster for
The Nizkor Project . The address is an ordinary
suburban split-level in a middle-class neighborhood.
There is nothing distinctive about its location. ....
I am taken to a back room, filled with computer equipment,
monitors, and books... Seated in front of the array is
McVay, apparently a 50-something computer nerd. He is
tall, thin, with short hair and glasses, wired to the
world through his ISP. The Nizkor project which McVay
runs from this room in the back of his house... " 


(Archived locally as: SolelyOperated)
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/b8c8f9854d0b5919
From: Kenneth McVay, OBC (kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org)
Subject: Blubberbury's Bullshit and Blather
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Date: 2001-08-08 12:53:05 PST
Message-ID: <9ks5as$r19$1@news.tht.net>
References: <3b713eba.156053777@news.abccom.bc.ca>

Ken Lewis writes:
> Ken has already proven otherwise.

> The quote you have pasted below was simply never implemented.
> Nizkor was then as it is now - a website. Ken hoped to turn it
> into an organization such as you insist it is but that never
> worked out. Within weeks of that post having been
> made the whole effort to tun it into an organization fell apart.

Indeed it did. Why anyone would post an article that was nearly
five years out of date as if it had relevance is beyond me, but
then, we're dealing with "revisionist scholars" here, so it isn't
the least surprising.

> Thus it remains what it always was. A website run soley by Ken.

Indeed.


http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/a8a3cb995ab2448f?fwc=1
Subject: NIZKOR.ORG and B'nai Brith's Apparent Funding Kick Backs
and Tax Scam V2.0
Message-ID: 
Date: 26 Jun 2005 03:06:12 GMT

Now I ask everyone-- Why should one lone individual such as Kenneth
McVay receive exempt donations for a website he operates from his
own residence?

All of the above is being reported to the proper authorities too!
Filing false tax returns and making deductions for donations via
a money launderer to a non-profit is a matter the IRS is very
interested in to say the least!!

More on McVay's illegal scams:

NIZKOR.ORG'S Ken McVay's Numerous Documented Lies Regarding His Funding-
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.skeptic/msg/af974e5ec5085cce?fwc=1
(Archived locally as: McVaySlamDunked_A5 and McVaySlamDunked_A6)
Subject: SAAF San Antonio Area Foundation-Nizkor Fund-Some New Archives
and The Same Funding Lie by Ken McVay Exposed V3-0   T_0822
Message-ID: <3i9lg1p8efhpoda0r07vatjs87jmr1pfb3@4ax.com>
Date: 23 Aug 2005 04:32:17 GMT
------------------------------AND-------------------------------
http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/2a8fb4468666dd3?fwc=1
Subject: NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Caught Lying About San Antonio
Connection! (Those Two U.S. Servers!) V3.0  Updated Links T_0625
Message-ID: 
Date: 26 Jun 2005 02:36:20 GMT
------------------------------AND-------------------------------
http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/fbf9d934e526f0c5?fwc=1
Subject: Nizkor Project Director Ken McVay's Sig Line Deceit
Regarding Funding of his Canadian Based Website  V2.0   T_1230
Message-ID: 
Date: 30 Dec 2005 19:56:38 GMT

http://groups.google.com/group/ab.general/msg/5c06fd75fb21497d?fwc=1
Subject: Nizkor LHR Fund; Just Another Self Serving FUND Like the
Nizkor Endowment and Trust Funds?  V2.0   T_1002
Message-ID: 
Date: 3 Oct 2005 03:33:01 GMT

http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/8a5017cb6fa55b20?fwc=1
Subject: Is NIZKOR.ORG Running a Self Serving Endowment Fund Scam?
You All be the Judges!  V2-0
Message-ID: <6vttb1hmmg9m76457msmetlim0g1k5ib1f@4ax.com>
Date: 26 Jun 2005 18:49:41 GMT
 (Actually the Nizkor Endowment Fund and the Nizkor Trust Fund should
both be renamed the Kenneth McVay Endowment Fund and the Kenneth McVay
Trust Fund seeing how the Nizkor Project is a web site solely operated
by Kenneth McVay from a back room of his personal residence.
McVay is the sole recipient and beneficiary of those two "bogus" funds!)
 Why Ken Lewis was so vicious in his attacks against me in his defense
of McVay;
he's evidently getting some of that laundered money too as indicated here:
http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/a76ebe4ccbcb71ee?fwc=1
Subject: Ken Lewis' Famous Last Words RE Ken McVay's Address AND Ken
Lewis Benefitting from McVay's Funding Scams?   V2.0  T_1227
Message-ID: 
Date: 28 Dec 2005 05:21:28 GMT

http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/a8a3cb995ab2448f?fwc=1
Subject: NIZKOR.ORG and B'nai Brith's Apparent Funding Kick Backs and
Tax Scam V2.0      Message-ID: 
Date: 26 Jun 2005 03:06:12 GMT
 (The above details and documents the tax scheme invented and currently
perpetrated by B'nai Brith Canada and Kenneth McVay's Nizkor Project in
which B'nai Brith launders exempt donations and passes them to McVay
as tax free even though Ken McVay is not legally allowed to receive
exempt donations.
This is more or less a similar tax scheme which resulted in criminal
prosecutions and is also the same scheme being used by American based
San Antonio Area Foundation to fund one individual who is not authorized
to receive tax deductible donations.)

Perhaps some people may do some prison time for filing fraudulent tax
returns by deducting donations they made via the San Antonio Area
Foundation - Nizkor Fund who actually violated its charter by doing so!!

								Tavish

Now that B'Nai Brith Canada is being split wide open, because of
Ken McVay using BB FOR ILLEGAL MONEY LAUNDERING,as detailed in
Canadian Jew News in a banner headline story over 2 pages in the
issue for 6 December 2007, what will McVay do now for funds?


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case
- no wonder people around the world are really disliking the
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.





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From: "Steven Craig Horn Is a Convicted Felon@OKC.OK"

Subject: Questions Steven "Caduceus" Horn runs from. Watch him run and
hide and watch him forge me.
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:27:59 -0600
Organization: Exposer of Steven "Caduceus" Horn's Psychopathy and
Crimes

On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:08:59 -0600,
, Caduceus
 wrote:

>On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:46:57 +0100, "DVH"  wrote:

>>"Anonymous Remailer"  wrote in 
>>message 
>>news:36e69ec31c10e910f5307a7bbbfc28b7@gpftor3.privacyfoundation.de...
>>> http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=2133794&db=Oklahoma

>>> IN THE DISTRICT COURT IN AND FOR OKLAHOMA COUNTY, OKLAHOMA
>>> STATE OF OKLAHOMA,
>>>          Plaintiff,
>>> v.
>>> STEVEN CRAIG HORN,

>>Hey. That's 40 Guns Horn to you, cunt. 

Yep--- 40 guns in the hands of a mentally disturbed cretin who was
found guilty of making telephone calls and sending e-mails threatening
people by saying: "Remember I’m GOD. I decide who lives and who dies
and your two boys die... Remember I have a .45 automatic and can take
your b.....d sons out... shoot the judge and the pig cop that gave her
(his former girlfriend) a ticket... I am God, and I also still have
my Ruger P-90 and it has a bullet with your name on it...” 

>Remailers are lame.

What everyone really wants to know about your jail time:

1) What meds did Dr. Randhawa Psychiatrist prescribe for you?
2) What were you doing so the sheriff had to summon a shrink in the
first place?
3) How long was your temporary commitment?
4) Were you put in a padded cell?
5) Were you put in a strait jacket?
6) Why were you taken to Deaconess Hospital on June 23, 2008? Did a
fellow inmate work you over?
7) In your police mug shot why is your right eye larger that your left
eye? Did the Spencer Police use their night sticks on you?
8) Why do you have pictures of young girls on your computer?
9) Do you know it is a federal crime for people with mental disorders
to own and possess firearms?
10) Do you know it is a federal crime to lie on your BATF/FBI
background check when you purchase firearms
and not mention you have a record of mental illness?
11) Why are all of the forgeries you do in other people's identities
homo-erotic? Aren't you
expressing your own desires and showing how much you miss your jail
humps?

http://fourthreichisrael.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/booking.jpg  What
were you thinking when the police officer took this photo?

Here are the public records Steven:

http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=2133794&db=Oklahoma

IN THE DISTRICT COURT IN AND FOR OKLAHOMA COUNTY, OKLAHOMA
STATE OF OKLAHOMA,
          Plaintiff,
v.
STEVEN CRAIG HORN,
          Defendant.  No. CF-2007-864
(Criminal Felony)

04-03-2008  O  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  53764428  Apr 8 2008
12:04:23:753PM  
 OK CO SHERIFF WHETSEL IS ORDERED TO DIRECT THE MEDICAL STAFF OF OK CO
JAIL TO DISPENSE PRESCRIPTIONS
>FROM DR. RANDHAWA TO DEFT/JUDGE ELLIOTT 
Document Available at Court Clerk's Office 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
04-09-2008  TCSR  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  53822768  Apr 14 2008
1:24:00:433PM  
 TEMPORARY COMMITMENT W/SHERIFF'S RETURN 
Document Available at Court Clerk's Office
MICROFILM: REEL 1144 FRAMENUMBER 571 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

06-23-2008  APLI  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  54505370  Jun 26 2008
4:02:11:920PM 
 APPLICATION TO DELIVER THE DEFT TO DEACONESS HOSPITAL & RETURN  

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Your booking photo:
http://fourthreichisrael.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/booking.jpg

http://www.mwcsun.com/local/local_story_050094629.html
Published: February 19, 2007 09:46 am
 40-gun cache
 Man arrested for alleged threats against woman’s children
By Eric Bradshaw, staff writer
The Sunday Sun

An Oklahoma City man accused of threatening to shoot a woman’s
children was arrested Thursday just after midnight at his home.

Spencer Police filed charges Tuesday against Steven Craig Horn, 46,
for allegedly making death threats against an area woman and her
children by e-mail and for making a harassing phone call.

Horn was charged with two counts of using a computer to put another
person in fear of harm or death and one count of making harassing
phone calls.

According to court records, Horn allegedly wrote in one e-mail, “What
you did between (a woman Horn claims is a former girlfriend) and I
means that you can kiss your two sons good-bye. Remember I’m GOD. I
decide who lives and who dies and your two boys die.”

In another, he is alleged to have written, “Remember I have a .45
automatic and can take your b.....d sons out.”

Spencer Det. Olan Boydston said he received information from Oklahoma
City Police that Horn called them on July 7 threatening to kill
himself and requesting to be put in protective custody. He had been
self-medicating with Valium and alcohol, Boydston reported.

Boydston’s report said Oklahoma City Police confiscated 21 firearms
>from Horn at the time, but later returned them. They had been
investigating a threatening call Horn allegedly made to Garland, Texas
Police. Horn allegedly threatened to “shoot the judge and the pig cop
that gave her (his former girlfriend) a ticket.”

Boydston received an anonymous call traced to Horn’s phone after he
interviewed the man, the police report said. “I am God, and I also
still have my Ruger P-90 and it has a bullet with your name on it,”
Horn reportedly told him.

A cache of 40 firearms was confiscated from Horn’s home along with a
computer with images of young girls.

Horn’s father said his son was mentally unstable and a potential
danger to himself and others.

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website 
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn 
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
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NO GROSVENOR Posting ! Frank Arthur=alias Grosvenor=Gay Ken McVay 

Frank Arthur=alias Grosvenor=Gay Ken McVay the fraud 
who changes names every 3 minutes.

Yep, I am Frank Arthur = also using  alias Grosvomit  = 
often alias Gay Ken McVay.

I am  the filthy  fraud  who changes names every 3 minutes,
because I am truly certifiably insane.
I am so insane I claim that all my critics are a grosvenor!

Frank Arthur  [that is me]  sometimes I post using  Bellsouth Internet
Group,
except when I post using remailers, anonymously,  to  confuse people.

I am the fraud Grosvomit [again me] and I often use anonymous
remailers.
As Grosvomit, or Frank Arthur, or Ken McVay   I often post to
alt.homosexual -
just to satisfy my need!

The genuine Grosvenor has not posted for years, so I stole his name to
annoy him, and also readers!

Many people believe that I am really  gay Ken McVay the disgusting 
pervert fag from Nanaimo Canada doing all the posting, now that my
ZYD  benefactors  stopped financing all the BS and my one person 
web business.


On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:32:43 GMT, Venceremos2
 wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:28:25 -0400, "Frank Arthur" 
wrote:

Frank Arthur, alias Grosvomit,[me]  is just another common thief. 
Some are pickpockets.
Some steal cars. Some steal groceries. 
This human turd steals names.

Here are some of my names -
Arthur Franks,Ernst Zundholz,Yitzak Goldstein,KenOyVeigh,
Frank Arthur,Ariadne,Boris,Bruno,DesiCohen,Flavia13,
Firestone@hemisphere,GeorgesFirestein,HansMueller,
GayMcvay,PanPiotr,RiainBartoski,VictorArcurius,
KenMcvaySOBC Ad infinitum.

All from Frank Arthur alias Edmond Grosvomit the fraud
There is no real person named Grosvomit, just me.

On Wed, 02 May 2007 17:02:32 GMT, KenOyVeigh
 wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:10:00 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  wrote:

>Edmond Grosvomit still reeks of fraudulent names-Arthur Franks today?
>Then a continuous list of faked names again.
>Trust that idiot?

>From all the postings from Frank Arthur, with all the aliases, it seems that
>you must be the Grosvomit, nicht wahr?

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:45:29 -0400, "Frank Arthur" 
wrote:

The poster using Frank Arthur is a fraud.[me]

I am the legitimate Frank Arthur and I did not post to this newsgroup.

I am  either insane, or just another ZYD liar, since I have constantly
been posting to this, and other newsgroups!!

The pervert who used my name is a person of no honor.
He is known as Grosvomit from Canada

There have never been any postings by anyone named Grosvomit, 
just piles of articles by me, Frank Arthur.

The way to know if I am the legitimate Frank Arthur it will show on
the gray 
tab:

Organization: BellSouth Internet Group

There are no gray tabs on newsgroup articles, which proves I am a
lunatic


For the real TRUTH about ZYDS, crooks like me, visit the world
top-rated 
website for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn 
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.



From Art@Arthurian.com Sat Jan 31 12:15:32 EST 2009
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From: "Frank Arthur[ZYD]" 
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Subject: Sure, I Do Jew ZYDs,CRA,IRS-GanivGoy McVAY!!!
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Sure-I Do Jew ZYDs,CRA,IRS-GanivGoy McVAY!!!

Sure  bubbele - I totally  enjoy  jewing   ZYDS [Jews], 
as well as  CRA, +  IRS - says well-known Ganiv, 
& CRIMINAL FRAUDSTER & MONEY LAUNDERER 
Shabbas-Goy Ken McVAY!!!

No wonder good, honest people, even jews,  really dislike this 
filthy pervert  shabbas-goy.

What a disgusting piece of AIDS-infected filth, is this McVay, finally
dying.
No wonder people feel that the only good faggot, is one that is
incinerated....

Glad to see that the Auditor-General for Canada in her
report complained about the fact that CRA is not aggressively 
prosecuting TAX FRAUDS!!

Guess she is referring to the McVay/Bnai Brith TAX FRAUD!!

Bradbury has well detailed this FRAUD on the IRS and CRA!

On 13 Oct 2004 23:25:00 -0000, Ken McVaySOB 
wrote:

>Mamzer Kenneth McVay,SOBC, convicted of child molesting
>and car theft in California and Oregon, the
>well-known fag in Canada,Fag McVay of Vancouver,
>also a convicted car thief and all round molester,
>and still unemployed  gas pump boy, mastermind of
>the Canadian branch of NAMBLA, now finally dying as a
>diseased AIDS-spreader, wants all to know
>about all his fellow criminals and perverts.
>Here is the latest.......

>Subject: I CHEAT JEWS,TAX DEPT.- MCVAY!!

>In a new development, victims of the false NIZKOR
>charitable donation tax receipts may now contact a
>senior official of CCRA (Canadian IRS).

>Call Mr.Philippe Robert
>Special Investigations - Charities - CCRA
>Phone : 1-800-267-2384, or 1-613-946-2423

>The equivalent with IRS in the USA  will be posted soon as well.

>Looks like McVay/NIZKOR, as well as related crooks
>will soon be joining their buddies in the slammer.


>From: "Waldo" 
>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,can.taxes,can.general
>Subject: Re: Nizkor, B'nai Brith and Tax Impropriety?
>Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 12:47:21 -0700
>Jay Winkler  wrote in message
>> On Sat, 19 May 2001 22:54:44 -0700, "Waldo" 
>> wrote:
>Waldo wrote:

>> >On May 15, 2001, an article entitled "$60 MILLION JEW FRAUD!!!"
>> >was posted to alt.revisionism. Within the article was a news
>> >story that reportedly ran in Montreal Gazette, on Thursday 21 >
>>September 2000. The headline read:

>> >"Huge tax scam exposed
>> >Religious group issued phony receipts for tens of millions"

>Jay Winkler replied:

>> The preceeding posts was, in fact, made by the  RACIST FRUITCAKE of
>> Edmonton, Alberta known as William Grosvenor/Gruber.

>Waldo responds:

>If you're referring to *my* post  (Nizkor, B'nai Brith and Tax
>Impropriety?) you're wrong, Jay. I (Waldo) authored the post.

>If however, you're referring to the article *referenced* in my
>post, ($60 MILLION JEW FRAUD!!!) you *may* be correct in assuming
>that it was authored by this Grosvenor character.

>I wouldn't know.

>But it makes little difference. The portion of the post I
>referred to was an actual news story published in the
>Montreal Gazette, on Thursday 21 September 2000.

>This is confirmed by an article published in USA Jewish.
>(hardly an anti-Semitic publication)

>http://www.usajewish.com/scripts/usaj/paper/Article.asp?ArticleID=932

>Clearly you aren't comfortable with the idea of this or any
>story that portrays Jews in a less than flattering light
>being brought to the readers' attention, and this is why you
>chose to respond with a lengthy diatribe aimed at smearing the
>credibility of Gruber/ Grosvenor, who you assumed to be the author.

>I'm sure you're not too thrilled at the prospect of your chums
>at and Nizkor and League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada
>being shunned by donors and scrutinized by Canadian tax
>authorities either.

>Unfortunately Jay, your attempt at diversion via your smear
>campaign against Gruber/ Grosvenor does not change the facts:

>1)  Construit Toujours, a Hasidic Jewish organization, did
>indeed attempt to defraud the Canadian government by selling
>$60 million dollars in fraudulent tax receipts to Jewish
>individuals and businesses who donated to the organization.

>2)  The pro-Jewish Nizkor Project, which Ken McVay has
>repeatedly acknowledged is *not* registered as a non-profit
>organization, is offering Canadian tax receipts to potential
>donors, and said tax receipts are in fact being issued on
>Nizkor's behalf by the pro-Jewish League for Human Rights
>of B'nai Brith Canada, which *is* registered as a non-profit
>organization.

>http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html

>This funneling of monies to a for-profit enterprise via a
>"not-for-profit" organization wreaks of impropriety, and
>raises suspicions of  graft, money-laundering, tax fraud,
>etc. for all parties involved.

>If Canadian tax authorities *do* find that Nizkor and
>League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada committed
>fraud by issuing tax receipts in return for monies donated
>to Nizkor, they will very likely go after the *donors* to
>collect taxes, penalties and interest on any monies they
>may have contributed.

>This is very sad, as many people who innocently believed
>they were contributing to a noble, non-profit organization
>would wind up getting hurt.

>Ken McVay has yet to respond to these issues, but he is
>a very busy man.

>Perhaps he is currently toiling over a paper shredder,
>or rearranging and deleting data on computer hard drives?

>Waldo


>Observer at Large

>IN FACT, KEN MCVAY IS RUNNING A *ONE MAN BUSINESS* with
>himself now as the sole beneficiary!!

>All other staff, both McCarthy and Cecelia had resigned
>in disgust. They have in fact made public some of the
>evidence regarding financial irregularities involving McVay.

>What about the $50,000 taken from San Antonio,Texas by McVay?

>The text of the message below, posted recently
>sheds more light on the McVay/NIZKOR FRAUD on CCRA & IRS!!

>From: Kevin Swan 
>Newsgroups: ott.general,can.legal
>Subject: Re: NIZKOR/MCVAY SWINDLE CCRA - ALSO JEWS!!!
>Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:02:33 -0400

>At the end of this unbelievably long pair of posts,
>you STILL didn't address his one, incredibly drawn out point:
>is Nizkor a registered Canadian charity or not?

>Anonymous made one, good point:
>Jay Winkler wrote:
>> Anonymous wrote:

>> > Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt.
>> > [#0235903-43-13]

>> >Notice what is said above?

>Now, I don't know why Anonymous dropped the ball here
>and didn't follow up on it, but he later claims that
>Ken refuses to answer to answer the question:

>> 1) What is the tax number of Nizkor?

>It appears that the question is already answered in the
>text Anonymous copied and posted: #0235903-43-13.

>However, when I researched this number (and several variations
>with/without the hypens and '#' symbol) at CCRA's website, there
>were no matches.  So I downloaded the entire list of all 78,000
>registered charities and searched for Nizkor, unsuccessfully.
>Search for yourself at
>http://www.ccra-adrc.gc.ca/tax/charities/list/chtysr-e.html

>So Ken, could you please tell us, is Nizkor a registered Canadian
>charity or not?  Yes or no?  That's really all Anonymous' post
>was asserting, and you made a HUGE post attacking some guy whom
>you allege is behind the "Anonymous" facade, yet you didn't even
>deny his lone point: that Nizkor is a not a registered charity,
>and is making fraudulent claims about issuing tax receipts.

>And also, Ken, your FAQ makes numerous footnotes, and claims
>to reference them at the bottom, but I could find no such list of
>references.  You might want to add them before posting it again.

>Kevin.


>From: "Waldo" 
>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,misc.taxes,can.taxes,
>can.general
>Subject: Nizkor, B'nai Brith and Tax Impropriety?
>Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 22:54:44 -0700

>On May 15, 2001, an article entitled "$60 MILLION JEW FRAUD!!!"
>was posted to alt.revisionism. Within the article was a news
>story that reportedly ran in Montreal Gazette, on Thursday
>21 September 2000. The headline read:

>"Huge tax scam exposed
>Religious group issued phony receipts for tens of millions"

>The story gave details of how a Hasidic Jewish organization
>known as Construit Toujours had defrauded the Canadian
>government by selling $60 million dollars in fraudulent
>tax receipts to Jewish individuals and
>businesses who donated to the organization.

>In an apparent quid pro quo, the non-profit Construit
>Toujours would solicit donations from members of the
>Jewish community, and in turn issue the donors
>Canadian tax receipts for five times the actual
>amount contributed.

>In this win/ win scenario, Construit Toujours benefited
>from the receipt of the actual donation, and the donor
>would benefit by receiving tax deductions that, according
>to the article, were worth more than 2.5 times the amount
>actually donated.

>Everyone benefited - except of course, all other Canadian
>taxpayers, who were forced to make up for the tens of
>millions of dollars worth of tax deficit caused by this fraud.

>This brings to mind the situation currently faced by Nizkor,
>or "The Nizkor Project", a Toronto area based website run
>by Ken McVay.

>Nizkor is a pro-Jewish organization which, according to
>their website is "Dedicated to the millions of Holocaust
>victims who suffered and died at the
>hands of Adolf Hitler and his Nazi regime".

>http://www.nizkor.org

>The thrust of Nizkor's mission appears to be keeping the
>Holocaust at the forefront of the public mind, and battling
>so-called "Holocaust Deniers": Revisionist historians, or
>anyone else who would dare publicly question the
>generally accepted "facts" of the German holocaust
>against European Jewry in the 1930's and 40's.

>While the defense of the Holocaust might appear to be a
>noble cause, there are serious questions with regard to
>the source of Nizkor's funding: Ken McVay has stated
>publicly on numerous occasions that Nizkor is *not* a
>non-profit organization, yet the organization offers a
>Canadian tax receipt to any donor who contributes ten
>dollars or more to the Project.

>From the Nizkor website:

>"Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt.
>[#0235903-43-13]"

>http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html

>How does an organization which admits to being a for-profit
>enterprise issue Canadian tax receipts?

>It seem that Nizkor has developed a "cooperative affiliation"
>with the pro-Jewish "League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith
>Canada", which is described by Nizkor as a "national volunteer
>organization dedicated to combatting antisemitism, racism and
>bigotry, and to promoting human rights for all Canadians".

>http://www.bnaibrith.ca/league/league.htm

>The League for Human Rights, it appears,*is* listed as a
>non-profit organization, and is accepting contributions,
>and issuing Canadian tax receipts on the behalf of Nizkor,
>a for-profit organization.

>This raises some very serious questions:

>What exactly is the nature of the "affiliation" between
>Nizkor and the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada?

>How are the monies received by the League for Human Rights
>of B'nai Brith Canada on Nizkor's behalf distributed and
>accounted for?

>Is there a quid pro quo?

>Does the  League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada
>retain a portion of the funds it collects on Nizkor's behalf?

>Do Ken McVay and Nizkor pay taxes on monies funneled through
>the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada, and for
>which Canadian tax receipts were issued to donors?

>Because Canadian tax receipts are offered for monies donated
>to Nizkor, donors may be convinced that they are contributing
>to a non-profit organization, while Ken McVay has denied
>Nizkor's non-profit status on numerous occasions.

>Does this practice not give the appearance of FRAUD?

>On what grounds can Nizkor, a for-profit organization, justify
>funding its operations and paying its staff at the expense of
>the Canadian taxpayer?

>What sets Nizkor apart from any other for-profit enterprises
>who might enjoy the benefits of receiving funds that are
>funneled through a non-profit organization?

>For example, would it not be beneficial to the proprietors
>and clients of a Law or Consulting firm to establish an
>"affiliation" with a non-profit organization through which
>all monies could be funneled, and tax receipts issued?

>Isn't this what the authorities call MONEY LAUNDERING?

>The non-profit status of organizations are unfortunately
>abused on a regular basis.

>In the Construit Toujours case, the Jewish organization
>was stripped of its right to issue tax receipts, and fined
>$400,000, while the "donors" to the organization were to
>face criminal charges, and would be forced to repay the
>taxes they evaded in the fraudulent scheme.

>Are Ken McVay/ Nizkor, and the League for Human Rights of
>B'nai Brith Canada  guilty of similar fraud or impropriety?

>It is painfully obvious that funds earmarked for Ken McVay's
>for-profit Nizkor are being funneled through the League for
>Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada, and that Canadian
>non-profit tax receipts are being issued for funds
>that are intended to benefit a for-profit enterprise.

>Both Ken McVay/ Nizkor and the League for Human Rights of
>B'nai Brith Canada owe the taxpayers of Canada a complete
>and detailed explanation of their handling of the funds
>earmarked for Nizkor. Furthermore, the Canadian Federal
>Revenue Agency should conduct a thorough investigation
>of both organizations.

>Waldo
>Observer at Large


If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant


 wrote:

HENRY FORD (The Dearborn Independent, 12-19 February 1921): 
Jews have always controlled the business. . . The motion picture 
influence of the United States and Canada . . . is exclusively 
under the control, moral and financial, of the Jewish manipulators 
of the public mind.

At one time, anti-Semites were considered to be people who did not
like Jews.
Now, anti-Semites are people whom the Jews don't like.  Jews use the
term as a weapon to smear people who for one reason or another they 
don't like.
They use it to keep politicians in line who might otherwise stray from
the
Jewish agenda and they  use it to label revisionists as 'holocaust
deniers'
I have been "branded by the Jews" and am proud to be in the esteemed 
company of the following:

T.S. Eliot; Norman Finkelstein; Father Coughlin; 
John Wayne;  Joseph P. Kennedy; Charles Lindburgh;
George Lincoln Rockwell; Marlon Brando; Robert Mitchum; 
Richard Nixon; Henry Ford Sr.; Walt Disney; David Irving;
H.L. Mencken; Kurt Waldheim; Napoleon; Bismarck; Claudis;
Voltaire; George Ball; Israel Shahak; Joe Sobran; Gerald L.K. Smith;
Karl Marx; William Dudley Pelley; Cicero; Heinriche Heine;
Oswald Mosley; Rowland Evans; Robert Novak; Anthony Lewis; Charles
Dickens; Patrick Buchanan; Benjamin Friedman; Martin Luther; Mahomet;
Bruno Bauer;  Elizabeth Dilling; Senator Burton Wheeler


If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant


We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
We like young children, so that we can train them our way.

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David
Michael's detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid 
molester, and is known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies 
must be a grosvenor!! 
It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases,
just  to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website 
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library - http://www.ddc.net/ygg
American Renaissance - http://www.amren.com
Campaign for Radical Truth in History - http://www.hoffman-info.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com, 
Feel free to call, or even visit me;
FRANK H ARTHUR 
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE 
ATLANTA, GA 30315 
(770) 739-6508 
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATLANTA+GA+30315
 
or to Steve Horn - kcom@earthlink.net,
or KenMcVay@vex.net

Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg
Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex, 
homosexuals and the like.


From Art@Arthurian.com Sat Jan 31 12:15:33 EST 2009
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From: "Frank Arthur[ZYD]" 
Newsgroups: can.general,can.taxes,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Sure, I Do Jew ZYDs,CRA,IRS-GanivGoy McVAY!!!
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Sure-I Do Jew ZYDs,CRA,IRS-GanivGoy McVAY!!!

Sure  bubbele - I totally  enjoy  jewing   ZYDS [Jews], 
as well as  CRA, +  IRS - says well-known Ganiv, 
& CRIMINAL FRAUDSTER & MONEY LAUNDERER 
Shabbas-Goy Ken McVAY!!!

No wonder good, honest people, even jews,  really dislike this 
filthy pervert  shabbas-goy.

What a disgusting piece of AIDS-infected filth, is this McVay, finally
dying.
No wonder people feel that the only good faggot, is one that is
incinerated....

Glad to see that the Auditor-General for Canada in her
report complained about the fact that CRA is not aggressively 
prosecuting TAX FRAUDS!!

Guess she is referring to the McVay/Bnai Brith TAX FRAUD!!

Bradbury has well detailed this FRAUD on the IRS and CRA!

On 13 Oct 2004 23:25:00 -0000, Ken McVaySOB 
wrote:

>Mamzer Kenneth McVay,SOBC, convicted of child molesting
>and car theft in California and Oregon, the
>well-known fag in Canada,Fag McVay of Vancouver,
>also a convicted car thief and all round molester,
>and still unemployed  gas pump boy, mastermind of
>the Canadian branch of NAMBLA, now finally dying as a
>diseased AIDS-spreader, wants all to know
>about all his fellow criminals and perverts.
>Here is the latest.......

>Subject: I CHEAT JEWS,TAX DEPT.- MCVAY!!

>In a new development, victims of the false NIZKOR
>charitable donation tax receipts may now contact a
>senior official of CCRA (Canadian IRS).

>Call Mr.Philippe Robert
>Special Investigations - Charities - CCRA
>Phone : 1-800-267-2384, or 1-613-946-2423

>The equivalent with IRS in the USA  will be posted soon as well.

>Looks like McVay/NIZKOR, as well as related crooks
>will soon be joining their buddies in the slammer.


>From: "Waldo" 
>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,can.taxes,can.general
>Subject: Re: Nizkor, B'nai Brith and Tax Impropriety?
>Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 12:47:21 -0700
>Jay Winkler  wrote in message
>> On Sat, 19 May 2001 22:54:44 -0700, "Waldo" 
>> wrote:
>Waldo wrote:

>> >On May 15, 2001, an article entitled "$60 MILLION JEW FRAUD!!!"
>> >was posted to alt.revisionism. Within the article was a news
>> >story that reportedly ran in Montreal Gazette, on Thursday 21 >
>>September 2000. The headline read:

>> >"Huge tax scam exposed
>> >Religious group issued phony receipts for tens of millions"

>Jay Winkler replied:

>> The preceeding posts was, in fact, made by the  RACIST FRUITCAKE of
>> Edmonton, Alberta known as William Grosvenor/Gruber.

>Waldo responds:

>If you're referring to *my* post  (Nizkor, B'nai Brith and Tax
>Impropriety?) you're wrong, Jay. I (Waldo) authored the post.

>If however, you're referring to the article *referenced* in my
>post, ($60 MILLION JEW FRAUD!!!) you *may* be correct in assuming
>that it was authored by this Grosvenor character.

>I wouldn't know.

>But it makes little difference. The portion of the post I
>referred to was an actual news story published in the
>Montreal Gazette, on Thursday 21 September 2000.

>This is confirmed by an article published in USA Jewish.
>(hardly an anti-Semitic publication)

>http://www.usajewish.com/scripts/usaj/paper/Article.asp?ArticleID=932

>Clearly you aren't comfortable with the idea of this or any
>story that portrays Jews in a less than flattering light
>being brought to the readers' attention, and this is why you
>chose to respond with a lengthy diatribe aimed at smearing the
>credibility of Gruber/ Grosvenor, who you assumed to be the author.

>I'm sure you're not too thrilled at the prospect of your chums
>at and Nizkor and League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada
>being shunned by donors and scrutinized by Canadian tax
>authorities either.

>Unfortunately Jay, your attempt at diversion via your smear
>campaign against Gruber/ Grosvenor does not change the facts:

>1)  Construit Toujours, a Hasidic Jewish organization, did
>indeed attempt to defraud the Canadian government by selling
>$60 million dollars in fraudulent tax receipts to Jewish
>individuals and businesses who donated to the organization.

>2)  The pro-Jewish Nizkor Project, which Ken McVay has
>repeatedly acknowledged is *not* registered as a non-profit
>organization, is offering Canadian tax receipts to potential
>donors, and said tax receipts are in fact being issued on
>Nizkor's behalf by the pro-Jewish League for Human Rights
>of B'nai Brith Canada, which *is* registered as a non-profit
>organization.

>http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html

>This funneling of monies to a for-profit enterprise via a
>"not-for-profit" organization wreaks of impropriety, and
>raises suspicions of  graft, money-laundering, tax fraud,
>etc. for all parties involved.

>If Canadian tax authorities *do* find that Nizkor and
>League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada committed
>fraud by issuing tax receipts in return for monies donated
>to Nizkor, they will very likely go after the *donors* to
>collect taxes, penalties and interest on any monies they
>may have contributed.

>This is very sad, as many people who innocently believed
>they were contributing to a noble, non-profit organization
>would wind up getting hurt.

>Ken McVay has yet to respond to these issues, but he is
>a very busy man.

>Perhaps he is currently toiling over a paper shredder,
>or rearranging and deleting data on computer hard drives?

>Waldo


>Observer at Large

>IN FACT, KEN MCVAY IS RUNNING A *ONE MAN BUSINESS* with
>himself now as the sole beneficiary!!

>All other staff, both McCarthy and Cecelia had resigned
>in disgust. They have in fact made public some of the
>evidence regarding financial irregularities involving McVay.

>What about the $50,000 taken from San Antonio,Texas by McVay?

>The text of the message below, posted recently
>sheds more light on the McVay/NIZKOR FRAUD on CCRA & IRS!!

>From: Kevin Swan 
>Newsgroups: ott.general,can.legal
>Subject: Re: NIZKOR/MCVAY SWINDLE CCRA - ALSO JEWS!!!
>Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:02:33 -0400

>At the end of this unbelievably long pair of posts,
>you STILL didn't address his one, incredibly drawn out point:
>is Nizkor a registered Canadian charity or not?

>Anonymous made one, good point:
>Jay Winkler wrote:
>> Anonymous wrote:

>> > Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt.
>> > [#0235903-43-13]

>> >Notice what is said above?

>Now, I don't know why Anonymous dropped the ball here
>and didn't follow up on it, but he later claims that
>Ken refuses to answer to answer the question:

>> 1) What is the tax number of Nizkor?

>It appears that the question is already answered in the
>text Anonymous copied and posted: #0235903-43-13.

>However, when I researched this number (and several variations
>with/without the hypens and '#' symbol) at CCRA's website, there
>were no matches.  So I downloaded the entire list of all 78,000
>registered charities and searched for Nizkor, unsuccessfully.
>Search for yourself at
>http://www.ccra-adrc.gc.ca/tax/charities/list/chtysr-e.html

>So Ken, could you please tell us, is Nizkor a registered Canadian
>charity or not?  Yes or no?  That's really all Anonymous' post
>was asserting, and you made a HUGE post attacking some guy whom
>you allege is behind the "Anonymous" facade, yet you didn't even
>deny his lone point: that Nizkor is a not a registered charity,
>and is making fraudulent claims about issuing tax receipts.

>And also, Ken, your FAQ makes numerous footnotes, and claims
>to reference them at the bottom, but I could find no such list of
>references.  You might want to add them before posting it again.

>Kevin.


>From: "Waldo" 
>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,misc.taxes,can.taxes,
>can.general
>Subject: Nizkor, B'nai Brith and Tax Impropriety?
>Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 22:54:44 -0700

>On May 15, 2001, an article entitled "$60 MILLION JEW FRAUD!!!"
>was posted to alt.revisionism. Within the article was a news
>story that reportedly ran in Montreal Gazette, on Thursday
>21 September 2000. The headline read:

>"Huge tax scam exposed
>Religious group issued phony receipts for tens of millions"

>The story gave details of how a Hasidic Jewish organization
>known as Construit Toujours had defrauded the Canadian
>government by selling $60 million dollars in fraudulent
>tax receipts to Jewish individuals and
>businesses who donated to the organization.

>In an apparent quid pro quo, the non-profit Construit
>Toujours would solicit donations from members of the
>Jewish community, and in turn issue the donors
>Canadian tax receipts for five times the actual
>amount contributed.

>In this win/ win scenario, Construit Toujours benefited
>from the receipt of the actual donation, and the donor
>would benefit by receiving tax deductions that, according
>to the article, were worth more than 2.5 times the amount
>actually donated.

>Everyone benefited - except of course, all other Canadian
>taxpayers, who were forced to make up for the tens of
>millions of dollars worth of tax deficit caused by this fraud.

>This brings to mind the situation currently faced by Nizkor,
>or "The Nizkor Project", a Toronto area based website run
>by Ken McVay.

>Nizkor is a pro-Jewish organization which, according to
>their website is "Dedicated to the millions of Holocaust
>victims who suffered and died at the
>hands of Adolf Hitler and his Nazi regime".

>http://www.nizkor.org

>The thrust of Nizkor's mission appears to be keeping the
>Holocaust at the forefront of the public mind, and battling
>so-called "Holocaust Deniers": Revisionist historians, or
>anyone else who would dare publicly question the
>generally accepted "facts" of the German holocaust
>against European Jewry in the 1930's and 40's.

>While the defense of the Holocaust might appear to be a
>noble cause, there are serious questions with regard to
>the source of Nizkor's funding: Ken McVay has stated
>publicly on numerous occasions that Nizkor is *not* a
>non-profit organization, yet the organization offers a
>Canadian tax receipt to any donor who contributes ten
>dollars or more to the Project.

>From the Nizkor website:

>"Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt.
>[#0235903-43-13]"

>http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html

>How does an organization which admits to being a for-profit
>enterprise issue Canadian tax receipts?

>It seem that Nizkor has developed a "cooperative affiliation"
>with the pro-Jewish "League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith
>Canada", which is described by Nizkor as a "national volunteer
>organization dedicated to combatting antisemitism, racism and
>bigotry, and to promoting human rights for all Canadians".

>http://www.bnaibrith.ca/league/league.htm

>The League for Human Rights, it appears,*is* listed as a
>non-profit organization, and is accepting contributions,
>and issuing Canadian tax receipts on the behalf of Nizkor,
>a for-profit organization.

>This raises some very serious questions:

>What exactly is the nature of the "affiliation" between
>Nizkor and the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada?

>How are the monies received by the League for Human Rights
>of B'nai Brith Canada on Nizkor's behalf distributed and
>accounted for?

>Is there a quid pro quo?

>Does the  League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada
>retain a portion of the funds it collects on Nizkor's behalf?

>Do Ken McVay and Nizkor pay taxes on monies funneled through
>the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada, and for
>which Canadian tax receipts were issued to donors?

>Because Canadian tax receipts are offered for monies donated
>to Nizkor, donors may be convinced that they are contributing
>to a non-profit organization, while Ken McVay has denied
>Nizkor's non-profit status on numerous occasions.

>Does this practice not give the appearance of FRAUD?

>On what grounds can Nizkor, a for-profit organization, justify
>funding its operations and paying its staff at the expense of
>the Canadian taxpayer?

>What sets Nizkor apart from any other for-profit enterprises
>who might enjoy the benefits of receiving funds that are
>funneled through a non-profit organization?

>For example, would it not be beneficial to the proprietors
>and clients of a Law or Consulting firm to establish an
>"affiliation" with a non-profit organization through which
>all monies could be funneled, and tax receipts issued?

>Isn't this what the authorities call MONEY LAUNDERING?

>The non-profit status of organizations are unfortunately
>abused on a regular basis.

>In the Construit Toujours case, the Jewish organization
>was stripped of its right to issue tax receipts, and fined
>$400,000, while the "donors" to the organization were to
>face criminal charges, and would be forced to repay the
>taxes they evaded in the fraudulent scheme.

>Are Ken McVay/ Nizkor, and the League for Human Rights of
>B'nai Brith Canada  guilty of similar fraud or impropriety?

>It is painfully obvious that funds earmarked for Ken McVay's
>for-profit Nizkor are being funneled through the League for
>Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada, and that Canadian
>non-profit tax receipts are being issued for funds
>that are intended to benefit a for-profit enterprise.

>Both Ken McVay/ Nizkor and the League for Human Rights of
>B'nai Brith Canada owe the taxpayers of Canada a complete
>and detailed explanation of their handling of the funds
>earmarked for Nizkor. Furthermore, the Canadian Federal
>Revenue Agency should conduct a thorough investigation
>of both organizations.

>Waldo
>Observer at Large


If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant


 wrote:

HENRY FORD (The Dearborn Independent, 12-19 February 1921): 
Jews have always controlled the business. . . The motion picture 
influence of the United States and Canada . . . is exclusively 
under the control, moral and financial, of the Jewish manipulators 
of the public mind.

At one time, anti-Semites were considered to be people who did not
like Jews.
Now, anti-Semites are people whom the Jews don't like.  Jews use the
term as a weapon to smear people who for one reason or another they 
don't like.
They use it to keep politicians in line who might otherwise stray from
the
Jewish agenda and they  use it to label revisionists as 'holocaust
deniers'
I have been "branded by the Jews" and am proud to be in the esteemed 
company of the following:

T.S. Eliot; Norman Finkelstein; Father Coughlin; 
John Wayne;  Joseph P. Kennedy; Charles Lindburgh;
George Lincoln Rockwell; Marlon Brando; Robert Mitchum; 
Richard Nixon; Henry Ford Sr.; Walt Disney; David Irving;
H.L. Mencken; Kurt Waldheim; Napoleon; Bismarck; Claudis;
Voltaire; George Ball; Israel Shahak; Joe Sobran; Gerald L.K. Smith;
Karl Marx; William Dudley Pelley; Cicero; Heinriche Heine;
Oswald Mosley; Rowland Evans; Robert Novak; Anthony Lewis; Charles
Dickens; Patrick Buchanan; Benjamin Friedman; Martin Luther; Mahomet;
Bruno Bauer;  Elizabeth Dilling; Senator Burton Wheeler


If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant


We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
We like young children, so that we can train them our way.

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David
Michael's detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid 
molester, and is known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies 
must be a grosvenor!! 
It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases,
just  to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website 
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library - http://www.ddc.net/ygg
American Renaissance - http://www.amren.com
Campaign for Radical Truth in History - http://www.hoffman-info.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com, 
Feel free to call, or even visit me;
FRANK H ARTHUR 
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE 
ATLANTA, GA 30315 
(770) 739-6508 
Map to Frankie's residence:
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or to Steve Horn - kcom@earthlink.net,
or KenMcVay@vex.net

Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg
Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex, 
homosexuals and the like.


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Subject: Sure, I Do Jew ZYDs,CRA,IRS-GanivGoy McVAY!!!
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Sure-I Do Jew ZYDs,CRA,IRS-GanivGoy McVAY!!!

Sure  bubbele - I totally  enjoy  jewing   ZYDS [Jews], 
as well as  CRA, +  IRS - says well-known Ganiv, 
& CRIMINAL FRAUDSTER & MONEY LAUNDERER 
Shabbas-Goy Ken McVAY!!!

No wonder good, honest people, even jews,  really dislike this 
filthy pervert  shabbas-goy.

What a disgusting piece of AIDS-infected filth, is this McVay, finally
dying.
No wonder people feel that the only good faggot, is one that is
incinerated....

Glad to see that the Auditor-General for Canada in her
report complained about the fact that CRA is not aggressively 
prosecuting TAX FRAUDS!!

Guess she is referring to the McVay/Bnai Brith TAX FRAUD!!

Bradbury has well detailed this FRAUD on the IRS and CRA!

On 13 Oct 2004 23:25:00 -0000, Ken McVaySOB 
wrote:

>Mamzer Kenneth McVay,SOBC, convicted of child molesting
>and car theft in California and Oregon, the
>well-known fag in Canada,Fag McVay of Vancouver,
>also a convicted car thief and all round molester,
>and still unemployed  gas pump boy, mastermind of
>the Canadian branch of NAMBLA, now finally dying as a
>diseased AIDS-spreader, wants all to know
>about all his fellow criminals and perverts.
>Here is the latest.......

>Subject: I CHEAT JEWS,TAX DEPT.- MCVAY!!

>In a new development, victims of the false NIZKOR
>charitable donation tax receipts may now contact a
>senior official of CCRA (Canadian IRS).

>Call Mr.Philippe Robert
>Special Investigations - Charities - CCRA
>Phone : 1-800-267-2384, or 1-613-946-2423

>The equivalent with IRS in the USA  will be posted soon as well.

>Looks like McVay/NIZKOR, as well as related crooks
>will soon be joining their buddies in the slammer.


>From: "Waldo" 
>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,can.taxes,can.general
>Subject: Re: Nizkor, B'nai Brith and Tax Impropriety?
>Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 12:47:21 -0700
>Jay Winkler  wrote in message
>> On Sat, 19 May 2001 22:54:44 -0700, "Waldo" 
>> wrote:
>Waldo wrote:

>> >On May 15, 2001, an article entitled "$60 MILLION JEW FRAUD!!!"
>> >was posted to alt.revisionism. Within the article was a news
>> >story that reportedly ran in Montreal Gazette, on Thursday 21 >
>>September 2000. The headline read:

>> >"Huge tax scam exposed
>> >Religious group issued phony receipts for tens of millions"

>Jay Winkler replied:

>> The preceeding posts was, in fact, made by the  RACIST FRUITCAKE of
>> Edmonton, Alberta known as William Grosvenor/Gruber.

>Waldo responds:

>If you're referring to *my* post  (Nizkor, B'nai Brith and Tax
>Impropriety?) you're wrong, Jay. I (Waldo) authored the post.

>If however, you're referring to the article *referenced* in my
>post, ($60 MILLION JEW FRAUD!!!) you *may* be correct in assuming
>that it was authored by this Grosvenor character.

>I wouldn't know.

>But it makes little difference. The portion of the post I
>referred to was an actual news story published in the
>Montreal Gazette, on Thursday 21 September 2000.

>This is confirmed by an article published in USA Jewish.
>(hardly an anti-Semitic publication)

>http://www.usajewish.com/scripts/usaj/paper/Article.asp?ArticleID=932

>Clearly you aren't comfortable with the idea of this or any
>story that portrays Jews in a less than flattering light
>being brought to the readers' attention, and this is why you
>chose to respond with a lengthy diatribe aimed at smearing the
>credibility of Gruber/ Grosvenor, who you assumed to be the author.

>I'm sure you're not too thrilled at the prospect of your chums
>at and Nizkor and League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada
>being shunned by donors and scrutinized by Canadian tax
>authorities either.

>Unfortunately Jay, your attempt at diversion via your smear
>campaign against Gruber/ Grosvenor does not change the facts:

>1)  Construit Toujours, a Hasidic Jewish organization, did
>indeed attempt to defraud the Canadian government by selling
>$60 million dollars in fraudulent tax receipts to Jewish
>individuals and businesses who donated to the organization.

>2)  The pro-Jewish Nizkor Project, which Ken McVay has
>repeatedly acknowledged is *not* registered as a non-profit
>organization, is offering Canadian tax receipts to potential
>donors, and said tax receipts are in fact being issued on
>Nizkor's behalf by the pro-Jewish League for Human Rights
>of B'nai Brith Canada, which *is* registered as a non-profit
>organization.

>http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html

>This funneling of monies to a for-profit enterprise via a
>"not-for-profit" organization wreaks of impropriety, and
>raises suspicions of  graft, money-laundering, tax fraud,
>etc. for all parties involved.

>If Canadian tax authorities *do* find that Nizkor and
>League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada committed
>fraud by issuing tax receipts in return for monies donated
>to Nizkor, they will very likely go after the *donors* to
>collect taxes, penalties and interest on any monies they
>may have contributed.

>This is very sad, as many people who innocently believed
>they were contributing to a noble, non-profit organization
>would wind up getting hurt.

>Ken McVay has yet to respond to these issues, but he is
>a very busy man.

>Perhaps he is currently toiling over a paper shredder,
>or rearranging and deleting data on computer hard drives?

>Waldo


>Observer at Large

>IN FACT, KEN MCVAY IS RUNNING A *ONE MAN BUSINESS* with
>himself now as the sole beneficiary!!

>All other staff, both McCarthy and Cecelia had resigned
>in disgust. They have in fact made public some of the
>evidence regarding financial irregularities involving McVay.

>What about the $50,000 taken from San Antonio,Texas by McVay?

>The text of the message below, posted recently
>sheds more light on the McVay/NIZKOR FRAUD on CCRA & IRS!!

>From: Kevin Swan 
>Newsgroups: ott.general,can.legal
>Subject: Re: NIZKOR/MCVAY SWINDLE CCRA - ALSO JEWS!!!
>Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:02:33 -0400

>At the end of this unbelievably long pair of posts,
>you STILL didn't address his one, incredibly drawn out point:
>is Nizkor a registered Canadian charity or not?

>Anonymous made one, good point:
>Jay Winkler wrote:
>> Anonymous wrote:

>> > Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt.
>> > [#0235903-43-13]

>> >Notice what is said above?

>Now, I don't know why Anonymous dropped the ball here
>and didn't follow up on it, but he later claims that
>Ken refuses to answer to answer the question:

>> 1) What is the tax number of Nizkor?

>It appears that the question is already answered in the
>text Anonymous copied and posted: #0235903-43-13.

>However, when I researched this number (and several variations
>with/without the hypens and '#' symbol) at CCRA's website, there
>were no matches.  So I downloaded the entire list of all 78,000
>registered charities and searched for Nizkor, unsuccessfully.
>Search for yourself at
>http://www.ccra-adrc.gc.ca/tax/charities/list/chtysr-e.html

>So Ken, could you please tell us, is Nizkor a registered Canadian
>charity or not?  Yes or no?  That's really all Anonymous' post
>was asserting, and you made a HUGE post attacking some guy whom
>you allege is behind the "Anonymous" facade, yet you didn't even
>deny his lone point: that Nizkor is a not a registered charity,
>and is making fraudulent claims about issuing tax receipts.

>And also, Ken, your FAQ makes numerous footnotes, and claims
>to reference them at the bottom, but I could find no such list of
>references.  You might want to add them before posting it again.

>Kevin.


>From: "Waldo" 
>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,misc.taxes,can.taxes,
>can.general
>Subject: Nizkor, B'nai Brith and Tax Impropriety?
>Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 22:54:44 -0700

>On May 15, 2001, an article entitled "$60 MILLION JEW FRAUD!!!"
>was posted to alt.revisionism. Within the article was a news
>story that reportedly ran in Montreal Gazette, on Thursday
>21 September 2000. The headline read:

>"Huge tax scam exposed
>Religious group issued phony receipts for tens of millions"

>The story gave details of how a Hasidic Jewish organization
>known as Construit Toujours had defrauded the Canadian
>government by selling $60 million dollars in fraudulent
>tax receipts to Jewish individuals and
>businesses who donated to the organization.

>In an apparent quid pro quo, the non-profit Construit
>Toujours would solicit donations from members of the
>Jewish community, and in turn issue the donors
>Canadian tax receipts for five times the actual
>amount contributed.

>In this win/ win scenario, Construit Toujours benefited
>from the receipt of the actual donation, and the donor
>would benefit by receiving tax deductions that, according
>to the article, were worth more than 2.5 times the amount
>actually donated.

>Everyone benefited - except of course, all other Canadian
>taxpayers, who were forced to make up for the tens of
>millions of dollars worth of tax deficit caused by this fraud.

>This brings to mind the situation currently faced by Nizkor,
>or "The Nizkor Project", a Toronto area based website run
>by Ken McVay.

>Nizkor is a pro-Jewish organization which, according to
>their website is "Dedicated to the millions of Holocaust
>victims who suffered and died at the
>hands of Adolf Hitler and his Nazi regime".

>http://www.nizkor.org

>The thrust of Nizkor's mission appears to be keeping the
>Holocaust at the forefront of the public mind, and battling
>so-called "Holocaust Deniers": Revisionist historians, or
>anyone else who would dare publicly question the
>generally accepted "facts" of the German holocaust
>against European Jewry in the 1930's and 40's.

>While the defense of the Holocaust might appear to be a
>noble cause, there are serious questions with regard to
>the source of Nizkor's funding: Ken McVay has stated
>publicly on numerous occasions that Nizkor is *not* a
>non-profit organization, yet the organization offers a
>Canadian tax receipt to any donor who contributes ten
>dollars or more to the Project.

>From the Nizkor website:

>"Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt.
>[#0235903-43-13]"

>http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html

>How does an organization which admits to being a for-profit
>enterprise issue Canadian tax receipts?

>It seem that Nizkor has developed a "cooperative affiliation"
>with the pro-Jewish "League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith
>Canada", which is described by Nizkor as a "national volunteer
>organization dedicated to combatting antisemitism, racism and
>bigotry, and to promoting human rights for all Canadians".

>http://www.bnaibrith.ca/league/league.htm

>The League for Human Rights, it appears,*is* listed as a
>non-profit organization, and is accepting contributions,
>and issuing Canadian tax receipts on the behalf of Nizkor,
>a for-profit organization.

>This raises some very serious questions:

>What exactly is the nature of the "affiliation" between
>Nizkor and the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada?

>How are the monies received by the League for Human Rights
>of B'nai Brith Canada on Nizkor's behalf distributed and
>accounted for?

>Is there a quid pro quo?

>Does the  League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada
>retain a portion of the funds it collects on Nizkor's behalf?

>Do Ken McVay and Nizkor pay taxes on monies funneled through
>the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada, and for
>which Canadian tax receipts were issued to donors?

>Because Canadian tax receipts are offered for monies donated
>to Nizkor, donors may be convinced that they are contributing
>to a non-profit organization, while Ken McVay has denied
>Nizkor's non-profit status on numerous occasions.

>Does this practice not give the appearance of FRAUD?

>On what grounds can Nizkor, a for-profit organization, justify
>funding its operations and paying its staff at the expense of
>the Canadian taxpayer?

>What sets Nizkor apart from any other for-profit enterprises
>who might enjoy the benefits of receiving funds that are
>funneled through a non-profit organization?

>For example, would it not be beneficial to the proprietors
>and clients of a Law or Consulting firm to establish an
>"affiliation" with a non-profit organization through which
>all monies could be funneled, and tax receipts issued?

>Isn't this what the authorities call MONEY LAUNDERING?

>The non-profit status of organizations are unfortunately
>abused on a regular basis.

>In the Construit Toujours case, the Jewish organization
>was stripped of its right to issue tax receipts, and fined
>$400,000, while the "donors" to the organization were to
>face criminal charges, and would be forced to repay the
>taxes they evaded in the fraudulent scheme.

>Are Ken McVay/ Nizkor, and the League for Human Rights of
>B'nai Brith Canada  guilty of similar fraud or impropriety?

>It is painfully obvious that funds earmarked for Ken McVay's
>for-profit Nizkor are being funneled through the League for
>Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada, and that Canadian
>non-profit tax receipts are being issued for funds
>that are intended to benefit a for-profit enterprise.

>Both Ken McVay/ Nizkor and the League for Human Rights of
>B'nai Brith Canada owe the taxpayers of Canada a complete
>and detailed explanation of their handling of the funds
>earmarked for Nizkor. Furthermore, the Canadian Federal
>Revenue Agency should conduct a thorough investigation
>of both organizations.

>Waldo
>Observer at Large


If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant


 wrote:

HENRY FORD (The Dearborn Independent, 12-19 February 1921): 
Jews have always controlled the business. . . The motion picture 
influence of the United States and Canada . . . is exclusively 
under the control, moral and financial, of the Jewish manipulators 
of the public mind.

At one time, anti-Semites were considered to be people who did not
like Jews.
Now, anti-Semites are people whom the Jews don't like.  Jews use the
term as a weapon to smear people who for one reason or another they 
don't like.
They use it to keep politicians in line who might otherwise stray from
the
Jewish agenda and they  use it to label revisionists as 'holocaust
deniers'
I have been "branded by the Jews" and am proud to be in the esteemed 
company of the following:

T.S. Eliot; Norman Finkelstein; Father Coughlin; 
John Wayne;  Joseph P. Kennedy; Charles Lindburgh;
George Lincoln Rockwell; Marlon Brando; Robert Mitchum; 
Richard Nixon; Henry Ford Sr.; Walt Disney; David Irving;
H.L. Mencken; Kurt Waldheim; Napoleon; Bismarck; Claudis;
Voltaire; George Ball; Israel Shahak; Joe Sobran; Gerald L.K. Smith;
Karl Marx; William Dudley Pelley; Cicero; Heinriche Heine;
Oswald Mosley; Rowland Evans; Robert Novak; Anthony Lewis; Charles
Dickens; Patrick Buchanan; Benjamin Friedman; Martin Luther; Mahomet;
Bruno Bauer;  Elizabeth Dilling; Senator Burton Wheeler


If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant


We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
We like young children, so that we can train them our way.

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David
Michael's detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid 
molester, and is known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies 
must be a grosvenor!! 
It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases,
just  to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website 
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library - http://www.ddc.net/ygg
American Renaissance - http://www.amren.com
Campaign for Radical Truth in History - http://www.hoffman-info.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com, 
Feel free to call, or even visit me;
FRANK H ARTHUR 
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE 
ATLANTA, GA 30315 
(770) 739-6508 
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATLANTA+GA+30315
 
or to Steve Horn - kcom@earthlink.net,
or KenMcVay@vex.net

Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg
Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex, 
homosexuals and the like.


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From: Frank Arthur 
Newsgroups: ok.general,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Convict STEVE HORN'S POLICE MUG SHOT
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Joe Bruno  rearranged his few remaining neurons and
wrote:

Convict STEVE HORN'S POLICE MUG SHOT - Now Back to Prison FOR LIFE?
STEVE HORN'S POLICE MUG SHOTS COMPLIMENTS  OKLAHOMA STATE PRISON

It seems that felon Steve Horn did not learn his lesson in jail
earlier this year!

His prison Booking Mug Shot:
http://fourthreichisrael.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/booking.jpg

Now authorities are working on so many charges, that he may never
get out of prison, under the "3 STRIKES LAW".

OKLAHOMA PARDON & PAROLE BOARD
Terry Jenks, Director
First National Center
120 N. Robinson Ave., Suite 900W
Oklahoma City, OK 73102
Phone: (405) 602-5863

is working together with:

FBI Special Agent In Charge [Oklahoma]: Michael B. Ward,
ADA SAM CHAVERS together with RCMP officers across Canada
and Special Prosecutors from RICO, all working on so many
new charges, including:

inter-state use of telecommunications to commit felonies, such as:
	Count # 1.
	Count as Filed: COMPU, USING A COMPUTER, COMPUTER NETWORK,
	OR COMPUTER SYSTEM TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON IN FEAR OF PHYSICAL
	HARM OR DEATH , in violation of 21 O.S. 1951-1981
issuing threats
	Count # 2.
	Count as Filed: COMPU, USING A COMPUTER, COMPUTER NETWORK,
	OR COMPUTER SYSTEM TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON IN FEAR OF PHYSICAL
	HARM OR DEATH , in violation of 21 O.S. 1951-1981
Count # 3.
	Count as Filed: TELE, MAKING A HARASSING TELEPHONE CALL ,
	in violation of 21 O.S.1172
threatening murder
Breach of Probation Orders
distributing kiddie porn
plus many additional criminal charges.

Report Steve Horn's internet abuses to:
OK, FBI agent, Internet operation facility:
James Funderbrick
405-290-7770

Guess Stevie will be entertaining the buck nigras in the Big House
for the rest of his life?

Convict STEVE HORN'S POLICE MUG SHOT - Now Back to Prison FOR LIFE?
Wednesday 19 March 2008  was when Steve Horn was to get sentenced!
He asked for an adjournment to 2nd April, to try and plea bargain
for a lesser sentence!


On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:47:44 GMT, "Riffyprime(oo)" 
wrote:

>On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:32:16 -0500, Crime Watch
>< CrimeWatch@SayNo2CriminalThugs.net> wrote:

>>On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:44:26 GMT, <
u08af4tuurq52h9uqka9ga9eab8ftlbee1@4ax.com>,
>>"Riffyprime(oo)"  wrote:

>>>That book was a little too long/boring for me to bother with. However,
>>>it appeared to star the convicted criminal Steven Craig Horn, so I am
>>>sure it will be a best-seller !

>>Here is the publicity photo which is in wide circulation.

>> http://i37.tinypic.com/2a7bn92.jpg

>Haha fuck.  He doesn't look too pleased with his attorney in that pic.

What everyone really wants to know about your jail time:

1) What meds did Dr. Randhawa Psychiatrist prescribe for you?
2) What were you doing so the sheriff had to summon a shrink in the first
place?
3) How long was your temporary commitment?
4) Were you put in a padded cell?
5) Were you put in a strait jacket?
6) Why were you taken to Deaconess Hospital on June 23, 2008? Did a fellow
inmate work you over?
7) In your police mug shot why is your right eye larger that your left eye?
Did the Spencer Police use their night sticks on you?
8) Why do you have pictures of young girls on your computer?
9) Do you know it is a federal crime for people with mental disorders to
own
and possess firearms?
10) Do you know it is a federal crime to lie on your BATF/FBI background
check when you purchase firearms
and not mention you have a record of mental illness?
11) How long do you expect to keep your arsenal and stay out of jail when
we contact the FBI/BATF and
advise them they have another Timothy McVeigh type loose in OKC?


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library - http://www.ddc.net/ygg
American Renaissance - http://www.amren.com
Campaign for Radical Truth in History - http://www.hoffman-info.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@earthlink.net
or Greg Carr 
or KenMcVay@vex.net

Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431


Feel free to subscribe all of us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case -
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library - http://www.ddc.net/ygg
American Renaissance - http://www.amren.com
Campaign for Radical Truth in History - http://www.hoffman-info.com

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.


Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
or KenMcVay@vex.net

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.



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Frank Arthur=alias Grosvenor=Gay Ken McVay the fraud who changes names 
every 3 minutes.

Yep, I am Frank Arthur = also using  alias Grosvomit  =
often alias Gay Ken McVay.

I am  the filthy  fraud  who changes names every 3 minutes,
because I am truly certifiably insane.
I am so insane I claim that all my critics are a grosvenor!

Frank Arthur  [that is me]  sometimes I post using  Bellsouth Internet 
Group,
except when I post using remailers, anonymously,  to  confuse people.

I am the fraud Grosvomit [again me] and I often use anonymous remailers.
As Grosvomit, or Frank Arthur, or Ken McVay   I often post to 
alt.homosexual -
just to satisfy my need!

The genuine Grosvenor has not posted for years, so I stole his name to
annoy him, and also readers!

Many people believe that I am really  gay Ken McVay the disgusting
pervert fag from Nanaimo Canada doing all the posting, now that my
ZYD  benefactors  stopped financing all the BS and my one person
web business.


On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:32:43 GMT, Venceremos2
 wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:28:25 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  
wrote:

Frank Arthur, alias Grosvomit,[me]  is just another common thief.
Some are pickpockets.
Some steal cars. Some steal groceries.
This human turd steals names.

Here are some of my names -
Arthur Franks,Ernst Zundholz,Yitzak Goldstein,KenOyVeigh,
Frank Arthur,Ariadne,Boris,Bruno,DesiCohen,Flavia13,
Firestone@hemisphere,GeorgesFirestein,HansMueller,
GayMcvay,PanPiotr,RiainBartoski,VictorArcurius,
KenMcvaySOBC Ad infinitum.

All from Frank Arthur alias Edmond Grosvomit the fraud
There is no real person named Grosvomit, just me.

On Wed, 02 May 2007 17:02:32 GMT, KenOyVeigh
 wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:10:00 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  
wrote:

>Edmond Grosvomit still reeks of fraudulent names-Arthur Franks today?
>Then a continuous list of faked names again.
>Trust that idiot?

>From all the postings from Frank Arthur, with all the aliases, it seems 
that
>you must be the Grosvomit, nicht wahr?

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:45:29 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  
wrote:

The poster using Frank Arthur is a fraud.[me]

I am the legitimate Frank Arthur and I did not post to this newsgroup.

I am  either insane, or just another ZYD liar, since I have constantly
been posting to this, and other newsgroups!!

The pervert who used my name is a person of no honor.
He is known as Grosvomit from Canada

There have never been any postings by anyone named Grosvomit,
just piles of articles by me, Frank Arthur.

The way to know if I am the legitimate Frank Arthur it will show on the 
gray
tab:

Organization: BellSouth Internet Group

There are no gray tabs on newsgroup articles, which proves I am a lunatic


For the real TRUTH about ZYDS, crooks like me, visit the world top-rated
website for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case -
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library - http://www.ddc.net/ygg
American Renaissance - http://www.amren.com
Campaign for Radical Truth in History - http://www.hoffman-info.com

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
or KenMcVay@vex.net

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.



From Art@Arthurian.com Sat Jan 31 12:17:17 EST 2009
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From: Frank Arthur 
Newsgroups: tx.general,soc.culture.usa,alt.homosexuality
Subject: Frank Arthur=alias Grosvenor=Gay Ken McVay the fraud
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I am Frank Arthur=sometimes alias Grosvenor from Canada = sometimes alias
Gay Ken McVay the filthy  fraud  who changes names every 3 minutes.
because I am truly certifiably insane.

Frank Arthur  [that is me] sometimes I post via Bellsouth Internet Group,
except when I post using remailers, anonymously, and to confuse people.
I even post articles denying who I am, just to keep people annoyed at me.

I am the fraud Grosvenor [again me] and I often use anonymous remailers.
As Grosvenor,or other aliases,I often post to alt.homosexual-to satisfy my 
need!

Many people believe that I am really  gay Ken McVay the disgusting
pervert fag from Nanaimo Canada doing all the posting, now that my
ZYD  benefactors  stopped financing all the BS and my one person
web business.


On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:32:43 GMT, Venceremos2
 wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:28:25 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  
wrote:

Like Fraud? DickWarren is also known as Edmond Grosvomit the fraud who
changes names every 5 minutes.
Quick send him money IF you are stupid!

Frank Arthur, alias Grosvomit,[me]  is just another common thief.
Some are pickpockets.
Some steal cars. Some steal groceries.
This human turd steals names.

Here are some of his names-
Arthur Franks,Ernst Zundholz,Yitzak Goldstein,KenOyVeigh,
Frank Arthur,Ariadne,Boris,Bruno,DesiCohen,Flavia13,
Firestone@hemisphere,GeorgesFirestein,HansMueller,
GayMcvay,PanPiotr,RiainBartoski,VictorArcurius,
KenMcvaySOBC Ad infinitum.
All from Frank Arthur alias Edmond Grosvomit the fraud
There is no real person named Grosvomit, just me.

On Wed, 02 May 2007 17:02:32 GMT, KenOyVeigh
 wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:10:00 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  
wrote:

>Edmond Grosvomit still reeks of fraudulent names-Arthur Franks today?
>Then a continuous list of faked names again.
>Trust that idiot?

>From all the postings from Frank Arthur, with all the aliases, it seems 
that
>you must be the Grosvomit, nicht wahr?

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:45:29 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  
wrote:

The poster using Frank Arthur is a fraud.[me]

I am the legitimate Frank Arthur and I did not post to this newsgroup.

I am  either insane, or just another ZYD liar, since I have constantly
been posting to this, and other newsgroups!!

The pervert who used my name is a person of no honor.
He is known as Grosvomit from Canada

There have never been any postings by anyone named Grosvomit,
just piles of articles by me, Frank Arthur.

The way to know if I am the legitimate Frank Arthur it will show on the 
gray
tab:

Organization: BellSouth Internet Group

There are no gray tabs on newsgroup articles, which proves I am a lunatic


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case -
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library - http://www.ddc.net/ygg
American Renaissance - http://www.amren.com
Campaign for Radical Truth in History - http://www.hoffman-info.com

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.


Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Ariadne@mac.hush.com, or KenMcVay@vex.net
Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.



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Joe Bruno  rearranged his few remaining neurons and
wrote:

Convict STEVE HORN'S POLICE MUG SHOT - Now Back to Prison FOR LIFE?
STEVE HORN'S POLICE MUG SHOTS COMPLIMENTS  OKLAHOMA STATE PRISON

It seems that felon Steve Horn did not learn his lesson in jail
earlier this year!

His prison Booking Mug Shot:
http://fourthreichisrael.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/booking.jpg

Now authorities are working on so many charges, that he may never
get out of prison, under the "3 STRIKES LAW".

OKLAHOMA PARDON & PAROLE BOARD
Terry Jenks, Director
First National Center
120 N. Robinson Ave., Suite 900W
Oklahoma City, OK 73102
Phone: (405) 602-5863

is working together with:

FBI Special Agent In Charge [Oklahoma]: Michael B. Ward,
ADA SAM CHAVERS together with RCMP officers across Canada
and Special Prosecutors from RICO, all working on so many
new charges, including:

inter-state use of telecommunications to commit felonies, such as:
	Count # 1.
	Count as Filed: COMPU, USING A COMPUTER, COMPUTER NETWORK,
	OR COMPUTER SYSTEM TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON IN FEAR OF PHYSICAL
	HARM OR DEATH , in violation of 21 O.S. 1951-1981
issuing threats
	Count # 2.
	Count as Filed: COMPU, USING A COMPUTER, COMPUTER NETWORK,
	OR COMPUTER SYSTEM TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON IN FEAR OF PHYSICAL
	HARM OR DEATH , in violation of 21 O.S. 1951-1981
Count # 3.
	Count as Filed: TELE, MAKING A HARASSING TELEPHONE CALL ,
	in violation of 21 O.S.1172
threatening murder
Breach of Probation Orders
distributing kiddie porn
plus many additional criminal charges.

Report Steve Horn's internet abuses to:
OK, FBI agent, Internet operation facility:
James Funderbrick
405-290-7770

Guess Stevie will be entertaining the buck nigras in the Big House
for the rest of his life?

Convict STEVE HORN'S POLICE MUG SHOT - Now Back to Prison FOR LIFE?
Wednesday 19 March 2008  was when Steve Horn was to get sentenced!
He asked for an adjournment to 2nd April, to try and plea bargain
for a lesser sentence!


On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:47:44 GMT, "Riffyprime(oo)" 
wrote:

>On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:32:16 -0500, Crime Watch
>< CrimeWatch@SayNo2CriminalThugs.net> wrote:

>>On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:44:26 GMT, <
u08af4tuurq52h9uqka9ga9eab8ftlbee1@4ax.com>,
>>"Riffyprime(oo)"  wrote:

>>>That book was a little too long/boring for me to bother with. However,
>>>it appeared to star the convicted criminal Steven Craig Horn, so I am
>>>sure it will be a best-seller !

>>Here is the publicity photo which is in wide circulation.

>> http://i37.tinypic.com/2a7bn92.jpg

>Haha fuck.  He doesn't look too pleased with his attorney in that pic.

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