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From Sun Jul 14 13:02:26 PDT 1996
Article: 50221 of alt.revisionism
From: (Holger Skok)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,alt.revisionism,talk.politics.european-union
Subject: Re: Holocaust revisionism
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In article <>, (Ole
Kreiberg) wrote:

>    Hydrocyanic acid vapors are not released immediately after the cans
>    are opened. The evaporation of Zyklon B requires as many as 32 hours
>    or as few as six hours, depending on whether the ambient temperature
>    ranges from five to 30 degrees Celsius. The evaporation rate is not
>    exactly proportional to time.

And this is obviously complete bunk. The manual Lueftl cites here to
get his 32 hour figure is one concerned with fumigation. The manual
clearly states that the time it takes for the HCN to reach the desired
effect - i.e. kill all insects in the treated house - can be up to 32 hours
at low temperatures. 


This figure therefore, has got very little to do with the time it takes
the HCN to evaporate. It has much more to do with the metabolic rate 
of the insects and their susceptibility to cyanide poisoning. 

With a vapour pressure of 0.82 bars as quoted by another poster on
this thread, HCN will quickly evaporate from the Zyklon B pellets and
Lueftl's 32 hour figure is a falsification. If you don't know what a 
vapour pressure is and how it relates to evaporation rates, ask.

>    The ventilation lasted 30 minutes, and, finally, the door was opened
>    (!) to determine whether the room was gas-free. "The gassing chiefs,
>    wearing gas masks" carefully held up a strip of [chemically
>    sensitized] paper inside [the chamber]. When the room was free of gas,
>    the doors were opened and the blue [skin-colored] corpses were taken
>    by prisoner members of the crematory work team to the morgue, or
>    straight to the crematory. (However, any textbook on toxicology will
>    confirm that the skin color of victims of hydrocyanic acid poisoning
>    is red.) Then the gas chambers -- heavily soiled with blood,
>    excrement, and vomit -- were cleaned.

So, where does Lueftl get this from? Which witnesses said anything
about blood and vomit, where was it claimed that the victims were blue-
skinned? Note well the absence of any references for this particular

>    What is the evidence against such a procedure? Zyklon B!
>    This is the flaw in the Holocaust literature!
>    How did they get rid of the remaining Zyklon B from the midst of the
>    one hundred corpses, without lengthy ventilation periods, and without
>    causing mass deaths outside the gas chamber?
>    In this case, Zyklon B was not thrown in from above. (Even though this
>    is what a commemorative plaque tells us, Marsalek reports
>    differently.) Why this brilliant procedure was never used in other
>    concentration camps remains a mystery. At Mauthausen, the gas
>    generator consisted of a sheet metal box with a lid, in which a hot
>    brick (that had been heated in the open fire of the crematorium) was
>    laid. This means that the SS could have gassed people only when bodies
>    were already being burned. <--

Right here: a true gem of logical thinking!
Lueftls "reasoning" (using two of the quotation marks that he seems to be
so fond of) is based on the assumption that a crematorium oven can only 
burn and be hot, as long as human bodies are in it. Clear nonsense.

> Zyklon B was then strewn onto this hot
>    brick. But because of the temperature, this would mean an explosively
>    rapid vaporization of the gas, resulting in an explosion of the HCN
>    itself.

Which tells us that Lueftl got the description of the gas generator wrong.

> 2. The Gerstein Report: An 'eyewitness report' of mass gassings

>    Preliminary note: The "Gerstein Report" discussed here is the
>    "confession" of an "informed" SS man, and is a cornerstone of the
>    Holocaust literature. [For a detailed analysis, see The 'Confessions'
>    of Kurt Gerstein, by Henri Roques. Available from the IHR.] It should
>    therefore be critically examined for its technical correctness with
>    regard to the reported mass gassing.
Another outright lie: No single report is a "cornerstone" of the Holocaust
literature. There are tons of documents, testimonies, court room records,
and most importantly: documents produced by the killers themselves: 
accounting sheets, orders for material and for buildings, reports on 
numbers of people killed, on how much money was spent and how much 
taken in by the selling of the victims' remains.

There are hundreds of witnesses, both guards and inmates, there are
arial photographs and more - all that is what? a giant fake? And the
only really important report is the one Lueftl quoted?

Yeah right!

Anybody capable of swallowing that is clealy beyond the reach of
any rational argument.

Holger Skok ITW, Uni Stuttgart
phone: +49 711 685 3230

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